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a member of pen Fed. Injured by n c UA's talking of smart people, We talked to Ian Grammar earlier in the show. You should try to catch that on the podcast. Um, we got another one for you. You talked to a smart person every day. I wish you would appreciate me, but you don't want he Jen Zee, David and Diane Stephie research fellow, too Over Institution, Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University lant he how are you? I'm drink fine, gentlemen, how are you excellent?
We ran late, repressed for time, and we blame ourselves. But as the director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford and in the lecture in Public Policy, what do you think about the implementation of this shocking public policy, for instance in Stinson, California. Thus far, well, look, I think it's important. I actually am in favor of trying to
keep people home as much as possible. Here's the problem, though, in a democratic society, we're never going to do with some something like what China had to do, which is basically an enforced quarantine. So the best you're gonna have is government saying, look for public safety reasons, because we don't want to spread this to people who are more vulnerable. Try to do your best to stay at home, and and you know, we're gonna see what happens. I do
think it's going to have a difference. It's gonna it's gonna make a difference in terms of the transmission of this disease. But hopefully, yeah. Do you think we'll even do what Italy does though where they're they've given out fifty thousand citations so far in Italy tickets to people who know. No. I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't think so. I mean, I think here's my sense. At least in the Bay Area where I live, and maybe it's just my community, people have been pretty good
about sticking to the rules. I mean, yes, of course, occasional you'll see people out and you'll be like, do you really need to be out? But for the most part, I think I think folks are are abiding by the rules. I don't see the same kind of enforcement happening here in the US well, and I hope it doesn't have to.
And I think that speaks to the sort of society we have where we are governed by our own consent, and if our government says, hey, we really need to do this, y'all, I think most people will say, Okay, I consent to that seems reasonable. That makes me happy. Yeah, no, it makes me happy too. And I think I do like the fact that more and more Americans are are doing things like, for example, saying, hey, look, I've got a neighbor who's vulnerable. I've got someone I know in
my family who's vulnerable. I'm going to do what I can for them during this time. I'm going to bring them food, I'm going to help make sure that they're okay when they're when they're staying in. That's the kind of spirit, and that's the kind of of community that makes me proud to be an American. Quite frankly, and and it's not something, by the way, you would find in China. The reason that they had to do what they had to do in China is because that's not
the off there. It's just a different kind of place. I assume you, like me, are in favor of caning young spring breakers. Absolutely, okay, no, no punishment too severe. I mean these these these guys are just more odds. And when you look at them saying things like, well, you know, if I get corona, I get corona. You know, it's not a big deal. I still want a party. I want to drink my corona. It's like, you idiots, Well they're gonna haven and so they'll they'll, they'll, they'll
get their own. But so I am a proud American. I'm not real proud of this though. I don't know if you're like following the Wall Street Journals expose of the fact that the c d C was telling States and probably the President, oh, we got plenty of testing, we can we can match this, when they when they either were so incompetent they knew they couldn't, or they were lying to us. Yeah, well that's something. You know, As this goes on, we're gonna find out more and
more about what happened during what I call the lost week. Right, there was a period of time between when the President said no one coming in from China to the outbreak of this virus, and and those few weeks, unfortunately were lost. And we're going to figure out why they were lost. Was it because of poor leadership at the top? Was
it because of failures that agencies like the CDC. Now, by the way, having worked in the big bureaucracy that included the CDC, it does not surprise me to hear that you had elements of the bureaucracy not functioning well or just trying to cover their own were rent. That's something that's unacceptable. I mean, but we'll find out exactly what happened, you know, at some point, lin he if we can impose on you for more of your time.
We had to do the long form podcast again about that, which is one of our very favorite topics, um and that's uh, bureaucracy disease and the iron law of bureaucracy and the damage it does and the rest of it. And and I would love to I'm pressing another time. I'm kind of interested. In the last minute I saw a picture of burning and Biden on TV for a brief store and thought, oh, yeah, right, that story that's still happening. You know what, what the hell is gonna
happen with all that? Well, here's one observation I'll make. I know we're short on time. You know, the strategy of the Trump people before the whole coronavirus thing was once they had a nominee on the Democratic side, they were going to attack the heck out of them and define them in the same way that Barack Obama defined
Mitt Romney. In two thousand twelve, right after Mitt Romney came out of a divided primary, they Obama and the Obama superpacs spent you know, hundreds and millions of dollars attacking Mitt Romney, essentially, you know, costing him the election. During that time, their strategy was to do the Trump strategy was to do the same thing to the Democratic nominee.
They're not going to be able to do that as readily now, and given the fact that coronavirus is out there and it's going to look unseemly to attack by it in the same way. So I do think it's going to change the dynamic of this campaign going forward. Do you think it's mostly advantage to the challenger them? Yeah, I do. I mean I think it gives Biden a chance to catch his breath, could define a general election narrative, and the fact that we know the Democratic nominee this early.
I think it's a big advantage to the Democratic Party because it didn't look like it was going to turn out that way. Well, the coronavirus notwithstanding. If indeed the campaign is shortened, that is to me proof that there is a God and he loves us and he wants us to be happy. So thank you guys for that. Lani Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University, thanks a million. Lon. He's sorry it was so short, but we look forward to the next chat. Absolutely, thank you.
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