Talking Point 2023: A Look Back (Part 1)

Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song we Welcome to Talking Point with Ray Sen You Angeler, discussing the hot topics and answering your questions, Saturdays five to seven pm on Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point. It's talking Point. It's talking Point, it's talking Point, real conversations. You need to have good evening, good evening and welcome to talking Point. It feels like it's bit of agents. I've been in this hot seat here in the studio,

but I'd like to welcome you to our show this evening. I hope you've had a good Sabbath. It's quite interesting listening to Mark's show earlier which was talking about the Sabbath and the things we do on the Sabbath. Discussion between him and Charlie was very very interesting and also thank you so much you

see why for your program. It's really I love listening to that actually, as I was driving in today, Yeah, they have such wise children talking about the Christmas story and it was really interesting actually that they were using Twitter, the twist of Twitter, and I was thinking, do children have Twitter or x as it's now called, because I'm sure my age there, but yeah, it was really interesting and I think we're really interesting twist on that. So yeah, thank you, you see why for your show. So

I'm joined as usual with my trustee co hosts Xenia and Pedro Salad. They're not in studio today, it's just me and myself. They are on Zoom but how we're doing Pedro and Zenya. How is things today? Everything is good? How's everybody? And Radio Land? Thank you for joining us on the Renters Radio London. Thank you, it's good you're doing. I'm not too I'm not too bad. It's been a bit of a stressful day. A whole section of my motorway journey was the road was cut off. Obviously

it happens they're doing road work. So I was doing a bit of a detour and I have no idea where this detail was taking me. I was following ways, but you know it's because of that traffic and everything else. So it's a little stressful. But hey, here we are. But aside from that, I'm not too bad. It's been an up and down week. Busy as always. By the way, Instagram is the way people really

use that. I really use Twitter, which is x or whatever. Well that's that's really interesting to say that, because I was like, Okay, I know I've had a Twitter account for but I don't know way back when used to use it, don't really do so much now, So I was quite interested to sort of see or to hear that, Okay, maybe it's still a thing. I don't know. Two young people, young people like they that's a new They don't use Facebook, they say Facebook for old people.

Yeah, they don't use Twitter like that. They use more Instagram because you can like video, you can call, you can message, and Snapchat that's the other thing. Yeah, interesting because like my fifteen or thirteen or they have Snapchat and they use it to talk to their friends and go back and forth send like funny photos and stuff. Oh okay, well I guess slip and learn. Oh when I was just about to say, just yeah, she's dropped off the cool. But that's not the problem. I'm having

a few technicalives on this studio here as well. But because my screen has just gone blank. But I'll try and look at that in a second, but until then we'll keep talking for today. So yeah, yeah, it's an interesting one. I think it's the weather because the back weather message with the Internet sometimes, you know, I my Internet is not that great right now, because it's technology at its best. When technology she technology is there

to help us. I totally believe that, and I'm ever grateful for all of that. However, when things decide to go wrong, they really do go wrong, and definitely it's amazing what you don't think, just like, Okay, now I'm stuck. What am I supposed to do? What do I need to do? But yeah, he let you go. She propped back up. She's right back in. I pretty could tell you. I know you're can act. So one thing. One thing, the one thing I don't like about cybers here in the UK when it's this time of the

year is that it it ends so nothing that it ends quickly. It's just like so like for me, I woke up and because I had a lot that I didn't go to church, but I just rested and next thing I know is like one o'clock in the afternoon and it's like, okay, the sun's going to set at three forty five up here. You're like, my goodness, three forty five, Like it just says so early, just like my goodness, you know, it's almost you're almost like you wanted to last

a little bit longer so that you you have some more arrest. You can still arrest after the sabage, after the sun sets, but you're just like man like it really said, you know, kind of look forward to sabage to kind of just relax and kind of mentally recharge my brain. Yeah, I mean I was. I was really glad today as you're saying that the day seems to go really seems to be really obviously much shorter about daylight. I was really glad that where I was it was actually really bright and sunny

today, So that made a real difference. So not that ship that the day felt longer, because for me it was like, how is it suddenly three o'clock already? Yeah, like like you realize it's three o'clock already, the sun's gonna be setting, and then there's up pairing raining all day, so I didn't get no sun. So it just made it like kind of not drey. It's just kind of like cold and wet. You just want to keep the heat on in the house and just you know, stay bundled

up. Yep. Yeah, definitely still enjoying my savage. So I'm gonna complain. I actually said at home as well. Today I was actually tired and just the sort of driving into London and then coming back up. It was just like, yeah, it's too much. And you know, sometimes you realize, and we always say this, that Sabbath sometimes is a really really busy, busy day, you know, whatever we're trying to do, and sometimes isn't really the day of rest as you'd like it to be.

But yeah, I met I met a lady who preaches, who goes around and she's a teacher in the state. She's a principal. One of the event to school is a small event to school, and she told us that she told her pastor, you get two weekends a month for me. The other two weekends is my day arrest. Yeah, she told them that you get two weekends. I come to church, I help out with the church, I do whatever I gotta do. But the other two weekends I'm staying

home and resting. Because she understands, like you said, like sometimes we come to church and you're doing more stuff at the church than you the week. So sometimes you just need to just take that minute and just kind of just literally recharged or reset your mean, yeah, come the week, especially when you had our worth week. Yeah, and sometimes it's just it's just necessary. And we know, I know, on our show, and this is what's going to segue as nicely into what we're going to be talking about

today. You know, we've talked a lot a bit about how we can look after ourselves. We talk about lots of different topics and themes and what have you, and you know, looking after ourselves has definitely been one thing I know we've been focusing on this week, but I put up in there, let's pray because it looks like we're all having a bit of difficulties here. Soaya's chopping on and off, so hopefully she'll be back on shortly. Things a little bit weird in the student. I hope we're coming out lad

and clear. But let's pray to start up our show and hope God that we're can bless us and kind of keep us from technical problems free. So let's pray for I've God, I want to thank you for blessing us with another sabbath, Dear Lord, And although we have now come to the end and we're starting a new week, I pray that the rest of this day

will be a good one and a blessed one. And as we are going to be talking today about some of the shows and some of the topics that we've covered over the last year, I prayed that it will be a blessing to someone who listens, Dear Lord, and that they'll be inspired to maybe go back and have a re listen and take some of those points that we have learned about that we've talked about, and maybe able to apply it to their own lives. I thank you for hearing a listening and answering my prayer.

Amen, go right. So, as I was just saying in my prayer just then, we are coming towards the end of twenty twenty three. Every week we say, how does our week go so quickly? How's our week go so quickly? It just felt like it was Sabbath two seconds ago. But here we are, three weeks until the end of three weeks, three weeks until the end of the year, and I'm like, how have we got through twenty twenty three? It feels like the click of a finger.

All of a sudden, we are counting down, as it were, to twenty twenty four, and I kind of think to myself, where has the last we're in these kind of twenties. I don't know what's that? How you even pronounce what those that's pronounced that? But how have we gone through twenty three years? How we at twenty twenty three? But you know, the year two thousand seemed to be okay, that was amazing thing.

Sadly, even Moore the year two thousand was like, well two k that, Yeah, you are going to crash the where I was going to end. God was coming back all of those things. As the civilization was going to end. It was going to be no more banking, no more and nothing. Whilst there's been lots of changes and we've seen things, you know, the impact of things that are happening around the world, global instances, all those things, twenty three years has flown past. It feels like it's

flown past. But this definite, this year has gone incredibly quickly. And I really do think, you know, after the pandemic where everything felt like it had stopped, everything stopped, the pace has definitely picked up again and here we are, so I guess, yeah, we're going to be looking today a bit of a recap over the next couple of weeks about what twenty twenty three has been like for us, and also in terms of Talking Point and the shows that we've done, and you know, the people that we've

spoken to, the things we've learned. You know, every show that we do, there's always something new to learn. There's a new perspective or a new angle on talking Point. As the name suggests, we like to talk about different topics and we've done a real range of different types of programs, whether it's been the presenters talking myself, Pedro and Zenya and Ray when he was part of the crew way back when. I mean even that seems such

a long time ago. This has been on the show with us since he took over on the Breakfast Show. Talking Point is kind of you know, he's left that with us, but we've talked to We've had lots of guests on the show. We've had lots of practitioners and professionals on and we've heard some really incredible stories from different people, and that's what we want to hear

more of going into twenty twenty four. So you know, this is going to be a bit of a shout out to anybody who's listening, who'd really love to come on and be part of our panel, be part of the show. If you're interested in sharing your story, dogeared in contact with us. You can contact us at studio at Adventage Radio dot London, or you can text us at eight triple eight triple two eight sorry, write hope and then your message, or you can whatsappers or we're getting all the different things

here. Can I remember this WhatsApp number, but it's zero seven four five nine six four two eight nine eight and the studio number is zero three hundred three two three zero two three four, So there's so many different ways you can get in contact with us here at the studio, but we'd love to

hear from you. We would love to hear your story. If you're doing something amazing, or you've done something amazing in your life, you're making an impact in your community, your local areas, we'd love to hear from you. If you would like to just join the discussion. Sometimes our shows we've got a theme or a question or a topic and if we just want to

discuss it and have a chat, we'd love to hear your opinions. Myself, Xena and Pedro have got fairly strong ones, so we'll add we'd love to add some other people to the mix of that, and again, if you'd like to contribute, we'd love to hear. So do get in contact with us emails do you do at Adventist Radio dot London or text us on eight triple to eight, write hope and then your message or whatsappens on seven four five nine six four to eight, nine to eight. So that's what

we're going to be looking at today. We're going to be covering kind of the first six months of this year, or however we kind of many we get through looking at some of the stories that we have heard, not the shows we've had, and just kind of sharing some of music that we like as well. So with that in mind, I'm going to play a piece some special guests it again, you may have some special guests. We may have special guess. Oh, something that I don't know, is that what

you're saying. I thought we was going to have some special guest Well, we were hoping to. I'm not sure they're able to, So I'm not sure if that's going to be the case. But mine care, Oh maybe, okay, Mine care. She's already told me the text when she already oh, okay, cool, Okay, so that's what we'll do then. So I'm going to pop in as so she's finding a call right now, but she says she'd be wanted happy to come down and talk. This is

the thing. There's a lot of that going around. I know. I've kind of from the all the snow we had, well we had no appear on you no down there. Yeah it was bad. It was snow every day for about a week. Then it turned the eyes and sleep and yeah. Now then it got sunny again, then they got rainy again. So we're going through about five different seasons up here in about a couple of Oh okay, I've done well, we've been We've been quite fortunate. We've had

a bit of frost, not not really snow. It feels it felt like it was coming, but I don't. Yeah, I don't know if we've if it's coming, we'll see, I guess. But with that thought in mind, I'm going to play a piece of music now Chances by Isaac Karee and I will come back and hopefully we will back on on Adventures Radio London. Speak to you shortly, all right, Do you think there won't bring me closer? To nor reason for excuse for most? So why do please

far too more fun? Mine far in ushing you away? And when n deserved to be left alone, you stay. Couldn't help, but know is something that just keeps habern doesn't make much sense to me, but he does it again and again. Lord, I promised, this is really the last time said these words sorry for nine great and must have slimmed mind. Mine never wanted you. If you get me out of this one, I never too long again when a lie learned my less what would life be firing not

a chances? My clauset so full love things I don't want you to see. If you knew all love about me, you'd questioned my being. I know I haven't made for each of the mistakes I made, so thank you for keeping seets long. Let me just say, couldn't help, but noted some man that just keeps habun name. It doesn't make much sense to me, but he does it again in again, Lord, I promised this is really the last time he said sorry for night. It must have saved my

money. I gave a given get me out of this one. I'll never do me again. When we'll learn my list? What would life be if I ran out of chance, uncomer as calls me. That's the only way that I'll be free, save me, uncomor ball even in this south. And I don't want to see. I don't know sign no no said it a thousand times, and I really want to get it. Lord I promisiness is weirdy. The last time we all said these were sorry for not treason must have sleeped my mind. I never wanted you. If you'll get me

ont of this one, I'll never do it. When will I learned my lesson? Where will life be? If I ran out of chances? Where would I be? Where would we be? Indeed, if we run out of chances? A powerful songs of really amazing lyrics within that song. So yeah, we're going to be also showing some some of our favorite songs that we've played throughout the year as well, if we could remember. There seems to be so many sometimes when we're going through, but we're definitely thinking about

what we've been doing over twenty twenty three. And yeah, if we've started off by saying that twenty twenty three has flowed past, it's gone past so quickly, but it's been I'd say overall, it's been a not a bad year, I think, after the kind of pandemic and we're sort of coming out on the other side, getting back to a sense of normality, whatever that looks like for people, because that seems to have been very often very different and has been very different for people. So we're looking at that.

So when we look at some of the shows that we started off with, one of the things that we started off and it's you know this when I look back and I think, this is a really great way to have started the year. Prayer is really important anyway, you know, we were our daily communion with God, you know, speaking to him like the friend that he is, the save that he is to us, but actually having a focused time of prayer, and that sometimes is linked and combined with maybe fasting

as well. But the idea of starting your year off with a really dedicated time and for our church, the Adventist Church, we did a ten days of prayer from the beginning of January. Prayer can be the start of many revivals. You know, it's a time for us to focus on what we're hoping to do for the year, and we're hoping to what we're hoping for God's miracles, our blessings, and you know, we were asking for the

Holy Spirit to really work within us. And this year the theme was around you know, the altar, bringing it back to the altar, and I guess you know in terms of, you know, bringing us closer to God, what that looked like for people, you know, creating your own time, your own space, you know, within within your prayer time, and what that looks like. So, Petro, are you still there with us? Yes? I am, yeah, okay, sorry I couldn't see you

there. So for you, I mean, we start off the year with ten days of prayer and everybody would do everybody does prayer very differently and may have done programs in a different way. For you. How important is prayer in your life? And as I said, this was a way of starting off twenty twenty three and you know, starting us off right. If that makes sense for me, prayer my life isn't. Yeah, yeah, man, I can't remember what we did. I mean when you think about how

fast the years went. Also, you forget I came what I did last week? So remember they did it generally It's like, yeah, I hear that. I'm racking my brain. I remember we did do the prayer. And for me, prayer is important because it's how we talk to God and sometimes even listen to God, you know, we can. The thing I love about prayers that you could do anytime, Like I said, I think I said before, you could do it in the car, you could do it in the house, you could do it in the store, you could

do it at work, wherever you're at. You could just say a quick prayer if you're having a bad day or something that's going down, and they could just uplift your spirit or just help you get through whatever issue that you may be having at that moment. So, to me, prayer is very important with our connection with God. There's other connections obviously, read the Bible, you know, just study the word. But the prayer is how I feel connected to God, like that he's hearing me, even though he may

already know what I'm gonna say. Is the fact that he's hearing my cries and hearing my voice. So it makes me feel comforted to know that he's hearing me, that he he's answering my prayers. Yeah, definitely, and it's you know, I really feel a whole idea. It was interesting a theme as well, back to the old because again that can bring up so

many different connotations. If I remember as we were kind of talking about this, but for me, it was it evoked for me and what I wanted to take from the idea and the themes, well that it's about me creating a connection and I'm coming back to God, coming to Christ, or I'm focusing my time. So whether that's specific times of the day that I may pray that's really focused, or I have you know, sometimes people have a

dedicated space. You're completely right, and I agree. You know, when I'm driving in my car, that's where a lot of my conversations with God tend to happen. You know, that's my kind of space. Or you know, as you said, anywhere you are you can talk to God. But I think the idea of actually having and maybe a devidicated prayer space and

you really intentionally focusing that time. And you know, many people they journal, they read particular scripture, they have a particular There's so many different ways to pray using different kinds of methods or forms, formats use the war remember the movie The War Wrong. Yes, I know a lady, I know pastor Graham's mother does that, Okay, Pastor Paul, I think it's Paul.

Paul Graham his mother. She writes everything on the wall, and then she goes and she she goes into a little area and she prays, okay, everybody list, and she adds to the list constantly. As you said that, I remember creating as you said that, actually that reminds me of creating one of those for the children Sober School. I've done a very's of course bringing that back there, but I remember creating like a garden. So every child, once they did their prayers, they'd write their prayers on a

flower and they were adding them to the wall. So something like that. Yeah, it's a fantastic idea, but you know, like you said, I'm sorry, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, now apologized, So so you do like a garden. So they just had one prayer each child. Each child would so I create like a sort of a display. So it's creating a garden. And then each week they would get a flower or a leaf, what have you, and they would write their prayers which we

would then put upon the wall and then we pray over. But it was just kind of it served as a visual reminder, and I kind of think, you know, I wanted them to be able to sort of see, okay, yes you can put your prayers is it's just a creative way and something may be memorable, but also something to look back at. It was left up you know, throughout the quarter for them to kind of go back, and then we can kind of you know, discuss some of the prayers

or things that may have been praying about. You know, have their prayers been answered, what, you know, have their prayers changed, because sometimes each week it could be maybe a prayer forgiveness, or it could be a prayer of thankfulness or we're talking about praise. So also just different ways of doing it as well, but something to kind of focus on as well. So Aha, that is not a bad idea. I think I do that

for worship, Yeah, I think. I mean, I I like I like the personally, I like the idea of creative worship, and I think sometimes doing that for children or young people can just tap into different whether it's senses or just different ways and just kind of make possibly make worship and prayer

the engage. But I think sometimes the issue with worship and even like with churches, just keeping a child, not entertained, but just engaged in what we're talking about, because sometimes they they can be very they're very visual most children, so when you're just talking about something, they don't visually see it, they kind of other things because they are visually, you know, stimulated. So that's something that would visually stimulate. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

so oh it looks like anyways, back on she has joined us. Yes, your prayer, we are indeed, which is what we are. That's actually what we're talking about. One of our first Yeah, having Internet troubles. I'm not sure we picked off again, but I wanted to be part of the conversation this week because I won't be here next week and then that's that's it for talking pointless year. So good eating everyone, and yeah, I hope you've had a good join us. Yeah, thanks thanks for having

me well. As we were talking about that, we were praying that Zaida will be able to still stay on the show and that Internet's problems will disappear. Satan get behind. But we're talking about one of the first shows we talked about in the beginning of the year for our church and many many faith around many church church groups was ten Days of prayer and the idea that we can you know, we're utilizing it as a good starting point for the year.

Quite focused. And the theme this year was back to the Altar, which I thought was quite an interesting one invoked many thoughts. I don't know when we were talking about that on this show, you know, this is quite a lot of discussion. But then I'm just saying, you know, you know how important to is prayer to you? And was there anything from that week, those ten days of prayers or the themes that fasonated with you. I think for me even listening back, because I did for a few

minutes of the program, Pastor came up. Pastor was with us, pastoray, how are you? Yeah, he was with us, and he sort of spoke about the fact that we don't need a position, a place or posture for prayer. And it came back when I looked at the when I listened to the program again, and I need to make sure I write that

somewhere where I can re visit it. But that was what came from the discussion for me, is that it's not about and I think Peture you spoke a little bit about that as well, but it's not about a particular place or posture or position or person, and it's about communicating with God. I

mean you spoken about worship. I minstedly. I don't have a set schedule, but I also want to say that we have to be careful not to make it, you know, a schedule thing, make it part of a routine so much as it is a conversation and a relationship, because if we do it like that, then it seems easy to sort of tune out or get bored or bothered or the process. But if it is a conversation and you know, you're talking to your daddy, you know, talking to God

about whatever you're facing. And I try to encourage JJ to do that. Just just talk to him, talk to him as you would you know, your earthly father, and just understand that he is bigger than that, he's you know, he's greater than that. He's able to do far more than you could ever think or imagine, and just trust him and then you know, build that bond with him. So wherever you are, whatever you're going through, if you know his voice, then you'll be able to navigate from

the situation. Which is interesting. It's interesting you're saying that because I was still saying that. Like I said, I know it's a lot of discussion. It's interesting you brought out that point, but I also liked the idea of possibly having maybe dedicated space, dedicated time. You're completely right. I totally agree with you in terms of not making it kind of richialistic. And you know, this is how it has to be. You know, you've

got your schedule and what have you. What I think this could be a place for that. But I do have the idea of having a space, a time, that kind of thing. But like you said, ultimately it's a bad connection, you know, getting closer to God, you know, talking to him as a friend he is, you know, of the friend that you'd want him to be. You know, that's how we kind of do. So I have a question, Yeah, go ahead, rocked the

boat, but a question. No change there. Then my prayers, my prayers, my prayers, prayer, so you know what, we just everything that so I don't haven't I have an issue, but not an issue, So we say by prayer, we have a like in church, we have a dedicated time for prayer. I don't know if you discussed this, but but what is your what is your take on prayer in church time wise,

do you understand what I mean? Like, you know, when they have the intercessual prayer right is there is there is there a time limit or is there you know we should we should pray for fifteen minutes during that time.

I just because we're talking about player and what it does for us, because I just like I was always brought up that prayer it is for you to have your special time with God. So when you're when you're praying with multiple people, you should not keep it shit or it's sweet, but you should kind of keep it condensed because I feel like sometimes people get up and praying, they pray like if they was praying in the closed room by themselves,

and maybe they just forget. So I just thought i'd bring it up. Do you think I don't know that there's a set rule for that. I rule, yeah, I know. I don't know if I would put that in any parameters. I think it's as the spirit leads the person. I would say, I feel like we can be a little bit more flexible in how we do church programming. And again I'm under red bull, so I'm going to get in trouble for that. But I feel like we are. I agree that does not allow for a lot of the spirit to lead.

If we want to pray a whole service through, we should be able to if we want to pray first, you know, it should there should be some flexibility there. And also for the person who's praying, if the spirit leads them and you know, they go on. Once it's relevant, once it's reaching, once it's yeah. That's that's my take on it. I don't think some people go up there and they've got their own agenda and that can become apparent very quickly. Yeah, I mean, that's my point.

That's that's my that is my that's my issue because I think, like, like you just said, I'm being rebel with you. I'm saying I think in the church we could do something different. Like there's like we're trying to put this, we're trying to uplift people in the church. But we were singing where the praise team will get up and sing and sing and sing and sing praise and then right after that we got a singer him. I never understood that. I never understood that that When did we start doing that?

That's just me, So I'll be the rebel. I just never understood that. Like why after we've been praising God and were up, everybody's clapping and we're praise God, they they want to bring everything down as singer always be the most dreary him that you could think of, Just like, yeah, now the whole thing has nowt like the whole everything. I feel like, yeah, just changed dreary again. Yeah that's all. But this is that's a whole nother talking point. It is digress. I just thought about that.

Okay, Well, I guess I mean that could be a whole show. I think the idea of programming church programming, I think there's a lot to be said about that. And I guess in some ways, what when you think about when you go to church, what you want to get from your worship experience and the service. There are so many ways to do that, and I think I believe there's a place for there's a place for lots

of different things, lots of different ways of doing that. You have to really think about your your congregation, your members, what's going to be good for all those things you have taken consideration, And I think having some kind

of the way you coordinated to put your programs, there's a lot. I think there's a lot to be said that, So maybe that's something we could I think I may make a great discussion because I'd love to hear, you know, from churches who are mixing it up a bit or doing different things and not just necessarily doing that when there's particular special days. You know,

sometimes church departments will put our programs so they'll change things up. That's fantastic, But why can't that be on a regular basis or day to day, you know, take week to week, I should say, so, I guess that's all the time. And I feel maybe it sounds like a cop

out, but I really believe that things have to be spirit level. Yes, it's the only way that you're going to get the best from the service and all those involved, all those because you're not going to know when you go up there you're planning, you're not going to know who's sitting in the

pews and what we're going to need. It's only the Spirit can guide you, you know, all of us have we come with our various needs, you know, our struggles oh blah blah, you know, and it's only for the Spirit to be able to work through it all and works yes,

but what that looks like? Yeah, definitely, So I agree with you yea, And yeah, so we'll we'll we'll put that as a topic that could be one of the ones we look at because I think as well, and I think it's also relevant as well when you think about, you know, we believe with everything that's happening that God is coming soon that we want to be reaching people. You know, it's funny because I was at Balam

today. It was their bath Pathfinder and Adventurers day, and you know, one of the young path Finders spoke today, really good message, actually really proud of him. But the other idea was about going are you ready to go for Jesus? And really what that looks like? There could be so many different ways to go out there spread the gospel. That's our commission, that's our call. Yeah, how can we do that? How can we bring people into our worship experiences? How can that be different things? You

know, there's a lot to be said around that. So I think it could definitely be irrelevant to discuss because you know, if things aren't working at the moment be able to bring people in, what can we do to kind of make a change on that so so yeah, so we started off talking about prayer for the year. Definitely a good way to start off. I definitely can encourage that. I don't know where they're doing another ten days of prayer for twenty twenty four quite possibly, but you can do that yourself and

what you know, what that looks like. There's so many different ways of prayer. So I'm going to encourage people to be creative with your prayer lives. Yeah, you know, get out into nature, go on a prayer walk, pray around your neighborhood, pray with people. There's a whole heap of different ways get in prayer, you know, get involved with that. So I'm going to play another piece of music. This is one of my favorites that I think we did play along the year. So this was Evie

McKinney. Just like God, definitely lots to be a lot of the words of this and thinking that sometimes you know, we go for our day to day and if we see things and it's just like God to be doing that. Could only be God who can make things happen or can provide the blessings that we are, you know, we are blessed with from day to day. So even McKinney, just like God, who would go another day, get what to do and to make. But I'm just thank for f of

God coming down to Donald. But I'm not in my hel con strong riding a time mat that just like God, seles fallen and I'm paying. There's just like Kay, there's just like Pardess t Pan. But hold on, hold me stead and home cank And ain't that just like a joy that just like I've had trying the days when people try throw and shade, and I've had so had the tails are cried, they say sticks and stones, my

breaking boots it wood. It's a large soul. And even though discons a deep a par as keys falling and home canking ain't dish just like up they dish just like no pardess y pan. But you hold on, hold me stead and home cank And ain't that just like a joy? That's just like Church from film Chack Crechi. So shy folges can't change, Sis says fings and actually gave anything actually like God. That just like just like God, Yes, and that just like God. Evy McKinney. So we've been talking.

Welcome to talking point. If you're just tuning in thank you for joining us. So today we're doing a bit of a recap. We are coming to the end of twenty twenty three, which has flown past. I was saying, I've said the beginning. Every week we say how quickly the weeks

are going? How quickly has this year gone? And we're counting down to twenty twenty four, So we've taking a bit of a look back at twenty twenty three for talking Point, what we've been up to, and we've talked a little bit about, you know, starting the year off with prayer. But one of the things that we do like to do, and we're talking about going as I mentioned about, you know, going out there, and one of the things that we've tried to do is to actually take Talking Point

on the road and doing a talking Point live from our various churches. So that's definitely something that we've done a little bit as well, until point has kind of traveled a little bit as well. We're definitely up for more traveling. Hint, hint, pastor ray you want to take us anywhere, please do anyway. But some we have visited some churches throughout this year, and we'll mention some of those as we're going along, whether this time or the

next show. But one of the places that we did go to was my home church, Ballum. It's always good to kind of I think the idea of us taking it on the road, I think the idea behind that, if I remember rightly, was just so that we can kind of connect with our listeners more and connect with people in the church. You know, I'm always sometimes quite surprised that people still don't necessarily know about Advantage Radio London. We want to get out there and promote it, get people involved and what

have you. And you know, if you're up for coming, you know, having the team come down and sort of take part in your afternoon programs, your aas programs, would definitely be up for doing that. So again, do get in contact with us, because we want to hear your opinions. We want to hear what you are talking about in your churches and what kind of things come up, whether that's the church at large or it's with the young people. So I know with this program that we did at Balam,

we wanted to kind of hear from the young people. It didn't necessarily go as well as we wanted it to go. In the sense of unfortunately there wasn't Young, but lessons like it is. And I guess one thing that's is quite interesting for me is that I know people have lots of opinions, but sometimes people aren't always as brave to speak up and talk about them.

One of the things that we want to do with Talking part is definitely to raise awareness of themes, topics, subjects, and get people talking about things because there are so many there are so many topics that for some reason, and I'm sure there are a hundred and more reasons why we don't talk about things within our church settings, why we don't talk about this amongst ourselves, sometimes we don't talk that, you know, whether it's young, oh,

a mixture of the two, we don't. So we've talked point. That's what we really want to try and encourage. We want to try and foster that. That's what we're trying to do with our shows in terms of the topics, what we're talking about, but just you know, raising awareness and being bold enough to talk about some of these things. So you know, what's your thoughts of that? CII as well, you know, well, yeah, I absolutely enjoy taking pop Point on the road under the leadership

of our pastor Ray. We have been a number of places and yeah, it's good to as you say, it gets a bit quiet, I feel and even now I don't know if you said it. At the top person to our listening can get involved. It's aheople with whole space and then your message. You can call, sorry, you can text, WhatsApp, email, But I find it gets a bit quiet. We don't get the kind of responses we like from our listeners. And going on the road lets us

know that you're listening. It allows us to sort of feedback the commentary. It really has a different feel and I really do enjoy doing that. And yeah, Balin was an experience we I think we've taken away from that what we needed to, but it was good to hear from the young people. Whether they didn't see a lot or whether they said you know too much, whoever it was, or whatever it was, it was just good to be

them. I'm hoping that other churches will call us and just allow us to come, and it's just to facilitate the conversation, definitely, and saying you're having and we can be part of it. And the one thing we do is talk. We're talkers, So it will be good to be part of that conversation and to hear what about young people or even look at as we say that life has to say yeah, And it's definitely there's a lot to

be said. There are so many sometimes we talk about stereotypes or perceptions that people in church do, whether it's young, and we often hear young people do this or older people think this, and actually, until you actually start talking to people, sometimes you can realize that actually those things really aren't happening, or you know, we're talking about saying that, you know, we

want to hear the conversation. Sometimes those things are happening, and it's really really refreshing to actually see and hear about the work that's being done and things that being done to try and you know, make those connections, have those conversations, because the more we talk about things, more comfortable we are about

stuff, the more real we can be with people and each other. And sometimes you know, there's always going to be challenges, but the way you kind of work together to get through some of those things, how you can encourage how your story or experience can be a benefit to somebody else. So definitely a lot to be said there, and as you said, you know, there's a lot there's lessons learned with anything that we do, you know, whether it's from a technical side or just how we kind of facilitate a

discussion. But the important thing is that we are getting out out there and having those conversations and those discussions. So you know, for all of those people that speak up and have lots to say, we thank you, But for those who maybe didn't have a lot to say, we thank you for listening in as well. So it definitely is definitely worth doing. Pedro you're gonna say, I was just saying I wasn't able to join ballum because I

could not get through it something. It was definitely Internet issues that night.

But for what I heard a little bit that they hear, I agree with you in the sense of like it's talking point getting on the road to hear other people's opinions and other people's views I think sometimes but what I would like for us as talking point to do is when we go on the road and we go to do something like that again is just getting the view of where people will listen too, because I think sometimes people have views but they're not

listening. They have their own views and their view is right and our view is wrong. And it's not about right or wrong. It's about the view of the person, the view of the young person. Even if you have the older person. Sometimes as young people, they don't listen to the view of the older person because you know, it's what do they know? They're

not going through what I'm going through. So I would like, like one of my goals for a talken point would be like, if we do that again, it's just the view to come through, for everybody to have their own view, but the understanding that it's just their opinion, it's just their view, and to accept it and then to like, let's have a discussion on that view, because it's good to have a debate or have a discussion about something. We're not always going to agree. We're not always going to

be like, well, yeah that's true or that's not true. It's just about you know, learning, learning our young people, because our young people are really at risk right now. We really need to stop being able to listen instead of reacting. And I think that's one of the things I took from the battlem situation that I would say that there is a right I mean what I mean right. What I mean by like it's not it's not because when I say right or wrong, I don't mean in the sense of like

you're wrong, I'm right. That's actually that's what I mean, like I'm wrong, you're right, I'm wrong, more in the sense of okay, you know what, that may be a view, but that's not the right the right view, Let me teach you the right view or like, you know, because sometimes we can misunderstand something. When a person reads the Bible, everybody can. Everybody interprets it differently sometimes or they may get or they may misinterpreted, you know, and they may say, you know, well,

what does this means? I could do this? I could do that, I can't do this, And then it would take like an other person who's been reading longer or me better to say, Okay, yes, it could concentuate that, but it really means this, like just meaning a sense of like just instead of just saying you're wrong, just saying okay, it's not you may be misread or misinterpret what you're saying, or maybe you're missunder maybe you're not explaining it properly, or she got knocked off. Angela m

oh she's gonna get okay. So that's what I was talking. That's what I meant more in the sense of, you know, like just you know, it's such a slippery slope because when you start saying right and wrong and yeah, I'm right, you're wrong, you know, everybody has a different way of interpreted and I totally agree with you. In this sense, it is not only just about talking. It is about listening, being open to other viewpoints because sometimes if you that, even sometimes recognizing it, people can

be quite close to other opinions. And you know, that ability to be able to say, okay, even if we don't end up agreeing with something, being comfortable with agreeing to disagree can be not a terrible place to be. So, you know, having the conversation, being able to be open to hearing other people's opinions, taking something from that if you can, that can be a learning experience in itself. So definitely worth having that. And I think you know, when we are out and about and we're going around,

we can have a part of that as well. You know, this is a great opportunity for us to uh, this could definitely be an opportunity for us to meet new people. Can you know, learn about what people are doing around our conference. You know, we have so many churches, I'm sure we can never get them right around. I think more of the sense of, oh, I guess I'm really trying to say because things, but don't shut them down. She just takes that I don't mean like should

that like okay, like with my kids. I'm just gonna use my example for like with my kids. Like if I told if I raise my kids how the way I was raised, it would not correspond with the way the world is today. So I think, as an even though I'm older, and yes I'm wiser than my kids, my kids will have some wisdom that they can give me. Yes, yeah, so I need to listen to my kids and they say, Okay, some things we can pull and some things we'll put to the side, some things we can we can take in,

and some things we can you know. Yeah, oh that's not gonna work, you know, like because in today's world, it's the world has changed and the climate has changed, generation has changed. You know. I was just thinking about this, Do you realize something I look as you know, because we're we're not up during the age, but we're older. But do you realize that when we get older, like we get like if God bless us that we make it like seventy eighty, that we're gonna be more

We're gonna be more computer savvy than our parents are. Totally. I feel like I struggled now, but so you can imagine how I find things confusing. I think to myself, well, if I'm finding it confusing, the next station above me, they must be. It must be complete. Like I don't say confusion, have no understanding, just don't get it doesn't make any sense below you. You mean like your mother, Yeah, Auntie,

the other statesmen, they don't understand my mother. She can't work a phone for nothing, or she knows that it turns on and it turns off. Yeah, you know, she's always calling me like I'm trying to get this app. I'm trying to do this, and I'm like, oh, you gotta go here, you gotta go there. Then should come up and then you know, trying to explain it to her. And I was just thinking about that, like when we get older, we're going to know because we're

the generation. The generation has changed definitely, so you know, every year, every couple of years, it changes so I think that's what I was listening to something today as well as you're saying, that's reminded me that actually the generations many uations before almost took they kind of did things and sometimes you know, as we as you're seeing now, people question and challenge things more. And I think, yeah, that's really important just to really understand why

we do some of the things that we do. So again, when we talked about how why the church services are they how they are? You know, how how was that come about? Who knows? But again, if nobody ever questions that, or nobody ever really talks about it and thinks about it, then things may never change. And if there are challenges or things that aren't working quite so well, we just continue the cycle without doing thing

about it. So again, having the conversations can open up and you know, if we can kind of try and facilitate some of those, get people involved, connect with other people, then that's definitely a good way to do that same traditional we become traditional. Yeah, and you know, I'm saying there could be a place for that. But again, you know, again

questioning why we do the things that we do. So again, you know, if you'd like us the Talking Point Team to come down to your church to facilitate a conversation, whether it's something that you've been discussing amongst yourselves already, or you'd like us to bring a topic. Do get in contact with us. We'd love to hear from you. So yeah, so Talking Point on the road and we've traveled a little bit. We went to where else

did we go to? It to France again with Pastor ray Get. It was an opportunity to connect with more people's if it was always challenging to kind of go somewhere where you don't necessarily speak the language. But that was definitely an experience that I would love to kind of do that again because we were Yeah, we have another perspective if you give a second. So again, I didn't get to go to France, you know, but you know everybody's always like it sounds like you wanted to go. No, I really didn't

want to go. Yeah, that's true. I felt it was you know, I really didn't want to go what is this pedro? Because I felt I felt not out of place. But it was only gonna be me and Pastor you know, he's gonna be busy preaching and doing all that stuff, and I love I love hanging with you girls. But I was like, it's I'm be like the only guy. I was like, well, you

know, as you say that, Pedro, I'm really glad that. I mean, not the glad that you weren't able to come, But I get that because it was a time for us ladies to spend time with each Yeah, And that's what I thought, That's what that was my idea. I said, Well, my wife goes think guess what, I you know,

it it'll just flow better. It'll just be you know, she'll get to sing, but it'll be more like she'll get to meet you guys, because we really were We met for dinner and stuff, but you know, during dinner's a lot of noise, a lot of talking ladder, so you don't really get to like get to know each other. You know, I know you guys before I'm doing the show and then when we also meet up in different parts off the show. But my wife has never really had a chance

to it. So I was like, this would give my wife opportunity to you know, get to know the girl, get to know the ladies, and you know, understand, you know, I believe, So that's why I was that was my thinking behind the whole thing. I was just like and then I was also thinking like hotel. Then we got I gotta I don't want a hotel with pastor. I love the all, but you know,

I'm not trying to be in the whole same hotel movies. So I was like, you know what the girl you know be you Josephinees and they you know to too, and you know you know, so that was my thinking, Well, now I get that, and we appreciated that, and that segues nicely into where another thing that we've obviously celebrated, and we do

this every year. We've done this every year. We look at International Women's Day and we big sort of coin ear mark March as International Women's Month, International Women's Days on I think the eighth of March, and we are we were celebrating the ladies and the wonderful work that many women are doing around our local communities. We've had various guests. We've had some of our presenters, I think, if I remember rightly, we had Jenny Burton who does Family

Battles on a Sunday. We had Josephine who does the Breakfast Show. Now and also a prayer program as well. Is currently traveling, although she's going to be coming back soon actually not sure when she's back from her mission trip. We also had Claudia on as well, who does the business show on a Sunday evening and also during the week, so we were we taught the opportunity to discuss about things that women will go through, celebrating the wonderful work

that women do and the impact that they have on our local communities. There are some women who are doing some amazing work out there and we wanted to celebrate that. And you know, sometimes women are really holding down the fort from in many situations you know, they're in whether it's raising a family,

or they're in their jobs and their works and what have you. So we definitely want to celebrate wanted to celebrate them, and throughout that month, we definitely you know, spoke to some hear some stories, spoke to them as well and looked at that. And coupled with that, we looked around a little bit around mental health as well. Definitely post pandemic, I mean,

mental people have been challenged. Mental health and the importance of looking after our mental health has always been a topic and definitely one that we like to cover in many for many of us, but also really looking at how mental health can impact women, especially they're often dealing with a lot, a lot of stress that kind of they go through, so there's definitely a lot that we talked about around that as well. We've had lots of practitioners on, so

I want to shout out to Dorothy. Oh and her surname has slipped my mind, but Dorothy one of our kind of resident therapists who's been on and obviously connecting with her network has definitely been a blessing as well. So we've had several of her colleagues, therapeutic colleagues on to kind of take part as well. So yeah, definitely the benefits of that. We've better definitely learned

a lot around that as well. And I see another person as I'm turning to the screen and I see another person who's joined us on the show. As Pedro was saying special guests, this is great, So hello Tara, Hello, how are you? I'm good, I'm not too bad, I'm good, good good, And how are you? I'm okay. I know those germs are flying around and it's definitely I think even COVID seems to be making a bit of a come back, and I think it ever went away.

But since we're doing the rounds again, lots of people are kind of coming down. I've managed to kind of avoid it. Yeah, sisters were sick for around me, but I was like, no, let me dealing with those germs right quick. But so I know you thank you for coming on to join us have a quick chat about the recap. But we were just talking about and I guess maybe pass away, but tyron to talk about when we went to France. Oh yeah, that's fun. Yeah, I

enjoyed our time. When we went to France, it was I was already getting ready to go to a different country. I really know how to speak their language. But they was very you know, receptive of us. You know they were they were willing to explain, you know, whatever we were trying to understand from them. But I think overall, on the worship side of things, I think it was a wonderful experience. Pastor Ray really preached the music. The music was really well because they did sing a lot of

the music in American you know, English, which was good. That allowed us to enjoy it. But I would say other than that it was a wonderful I would definitely want to do it again. Yeah, definitely, And I think there's lots to be said that Pedro was saying obviously, you know, in terms of suggesting that you come on the trip with us. You know, it was fantastic because it allowed us as a group to kind of

bond and get to know each other better. And yeah, you know, I was just talking about, I'm really glad because it allowed me to get to you know, see you guys in a different light than before, which was none but I knew of you guys, but you know what I'm saying, in a more way. Were we comfortable with each other. So yeah, I I'm really grateful for the opportunity. So hopefully Peedro get to go

next time, yes, and the opportunity to come right way. He won't keep saying no, I didn't go, you know, yeah, no, definitely why I did not. I did not go, But I made the conscious effort because I could have gone butt on this program. I wanted. No. No, it's true. But also what's important I think as well, and one of the things I want to highlight because I was just talking about, you know, we celebrated March being International Women's which called the Women's

Mum celebrating International Women's Day. But the connections that women can have with each other is so important, you know, whether it's you know that can come in many of us may have best possibly have best friends in childhood, or you're making new friends, but having a support network people around you is so

so important. And again I was talking about the you know things mental health as well, you know, so for you, you know, that opportunity for you to kind of, as you said, get to know us and bond with us in a different way because again we knew of I would say, I knew of you, you know, but I didn't know a lot about you. And obviously when you spend time with people, you seem in a different context you anymore about you know people. So I just like that,

you know, it wasn't no awkwardness between us as women. We was able to sit and talk and be ourselves. Yeah, and that's that's so you know, I'm saying, no one was pretending to be something that they weren't. Yeah, so that was very important to be able to buther with people, it ain't always either Bundy with people, So just to know that, you know, your personality allowed me to be myself and likewise, I really just enjoyed the whole experience. Yeah, and it's really it's really important,

you know. And you know, I'll say this about men as well when they're talking. You know, men, you have your your friendship, groups, your groups, you're it's really important. We demonstrate this maybe very differently, but it's so important to have your your friends, your support network, your connections, and you know, I mean what I've often found with women as well as much as you know, sometimes we're really busy, we don't connect as much of it, but when we do, it's almost like

we've never been apart. Yeah, I know, I've I'm you know. During that month of March, I celebrated my birthday and a group of my girlfriends took me through my sister. It was a little bit later I did this actually, but actually went for a bit of a spa weekend. And you know, for me, the previous couple of years, I think I had two lockdown birthdays. So the first one literally spent it on my own. I remember lots of I say, you spent on my own. That's

not entirely true. I was in the house by myself, but I was I was on zoom calls and I got phone calls. But I remember making brownies for myself and just thinking, Okay, happy birthday to me kind of thing. Next year, a group of my friends kind of snuck me in to do kind of birthday things. And then you know, with my sister, they coordinated a bit of a spa weekend and spent some time. So

again, having those connections were really important. And when we didn't have the opportunity to do that in the same way, you know, you realize how much you can miss that and how much you would benefit from having those people

around you. You know, encourage, encourage anybody to have your your tribe, your friendship group and what have you your support network, and you know, reach out to people and look at I think for me when I came on the trip, because I'm not always opening up to people, I think I had to allow myself to say, you know, I men get to know these women, and I want them to get to know me. I don't want to shut down in any way, So I just say be open

to getting to know people. And when they show you that you can't get along with them then you just move on. But other than that, you know, just try yeahs, make sure you invite. I'll send it down myself. Anything to get rid of the waife Petro. There are no words. Sometimes there are no words. I pay for and everything. But as you were talking then a bit about also when we travel to the worship as

well. One thing that struck me. Even though although well I speak a little bit of French, as I speak very leastily, I understand, I mean I leard French at school, and I recognize that actually I understood a

lot more than I realized. But even though I didn't necessarily understand everything, still been able to take part in the worship service and still feel a part of that, feel the spirit moving as it were, and you know, understanding what I could because we were blessed to have translators which really did help you know, the words up and what have you, and I reckon.

The realization that I could kind of understand a lot more was quite powerful for me, because I just remember thinking, you know, they have pentecosts, when actually, you know, everybody could sort of understand what's being said in their own language and what have you. That must have been absolutely phenomenal. But for you, you ministered as well. Obviously you sing and been able to sing even though maybe people may not necessarily have understood all the words.

I know, based on I say, people's comments afterwards, what have you that you were still able to bless So how does that feel sometimes maybe ministering to an audience where they might not understand the language or you know, does

that feel strange to you? Does that feel different for you? I was quite shocked how people, you know, came up to me and saying how they were blessed, because I think they do understand some English, you know, because they listen to a lot of Americans of course, so I think, you know, when they came up to me, it was genuine, you know, and I felt it and I was like, you know what, God, if you give me this opportunity again, I would definitely do

it again, you know, because you can still touch people even in other languages and everything. It's just I can move in in a situation, so and you use any person definitely. Yeah, So they experienced singing in front of them and how they was taken from when I was singing and everything I was I was, I was moved by it. Yeah, definitely, definitely. You know, it's testiment to the power of God and how we can use Sometimes we think, I mean, you haven't a voice, so you

have a gift there that's able to bless people. But you know, there may be others people who may think, oh I can't I can't sing, or I can't do whatever. But actually there's so many things that God can do with the gifts or the people that we are that can make an impact, make a difference. So again, even though you may think, oh, I'm not sure how this is going to come over or you know, people are gonna Yeah, it's testament to you know, how God can use

your gift to bless us, even in different languages. So one thing I noticed that I was impressed with that even though they were singing in French, because the beat is kind of the same there is the music is still the like. It shows how universal music is. So like the music even though the music was the same, you can kind of tell by what they was playing, what they were singing, even though it was a French yes,

and so they was and they was kind of mixing it up. There was doing French and English, you know, some songs with English, some songs for French. But like even the fact when a guy played for Tower, he was able to play the song pretty well even though he knew it mostly as French. But because it's as universal, it was still it will still be able to be play from playing singing English because music not Yeah, like the notes don't change. Yeah, language, it's just the word, yeah,

the way they say it. Yeah. So yeah, it was definitely definite. Yeah. And the choir who's and I'm trying to think of their name now church sounds, Yeah, they have the concept afterwards, I cannot remember the name, but they was they can sing them. Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely And again you know there was a lot of their songs were in French, which again necessarily interview the director. I can't remember his name yet. I'm just as we're doing a recap, he should be on

this as well. Yeah. They was really nice people. They was willing to be interviewed. They was well, they was trying to talk to us as much as they could. We had to talk flour for them, so they definitely they was willing to just be a part of the whole talking point interviews and all day I was really happy, how they was just willing.

Yeah, it was really I mean, you know, we interviewed quite a few some of the young people as well, talking about the program that was the campaign that they had invited past the Ray over four and just kind of you know, hear what they were up to was really quite inspiring as well. You know, again really good to see young people who were really passionate about God, really wanted to make a difference, and again they were.

It was really interesting to hear some of the young people sort of talking about their experience saying that actually the way this campaign had been presented and how Pastor Ray preached was very different from maybe what they possibly had heard before and definitely

had an impact. You know, it was really a real blessing to see how many people were baptized that day and just kind of you know, you know, Rey connected with them in a way that maybe they hadn't heard before, right, and you know, like said, but everything came together, the music, because the praise teams were amazing as well. It was so and it was so many people came out every night. It was packed every

single night. Yeah, definitely, definitely it was a blessing that leads to that leads to nothing cut up, but that leads in to the Colchester one too, where you guys you was you was actually at that one? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. Sadly I missed my Colchester experience. Was I felt like you was there? Oh No, sadly I was not. That was me breaking down probably about ten miles away from Yeah, that's right, you did. That's right. Yes, my little Honda Civic

which is no more. That's when that's when end up getting a new that's when. Yeah, it was, you know, it was I don't even know what happened, but yeah, that was my experience. But so you can terms a bit about Colchester because I sadly missed that one. Unfortunately something that she was Colchester was just kind of the same experience. It was just a one day thing though, but it was a music day. We had different musicians sing, and we met a family that I can't remember where they

was from. They was from Man, I can't think where they was from. They wasn't from the UK, but they've been here for a while. And like the whole family played. So the daughter sang, the son played the bass and also played the piano, played a couple of instruments. The father played, the mother played, and they did a couple of songs. And then we had a group of young ladies get up and sing a couple of songs. They was really really and then Twas sang too. We even

got Josephine to sing, got Justsephine. She did the children story, She even sang a song, and she did the appeal when Pastor Way preached. So it was nice to see everybody evolved in the program. And then we did talking point on the stage in the evening and that was that was fun. I think that day I was so beat. I was so tired that day. I struggled to make it through that through that show because I was just so tired that day from all the driving. Because people don't realize when

you drive like all weekend, then you drive the weekend too. I was just I didn't realize how tired it was, so by five o'clock I was I was struggling. But it was still a nice experience. We got we talked about different songs we like and then we will sing the song. It was a good spiritual experience, like each person do you like and then we will sing the song and stuff, so we had like a little testimony on that. So yeah, it was really it was really uplifting and we really

had a real good time at that church. Cool, that's pretty much you would enjoyed it if you was there. Yeah, I just everything ready for you. Yeah, but for me, but you know it do safely. I did, and in the end, you know, because I was staying, I ended up staying up in Ipswich hotel. Yeah, so I stayed in the hotel then met up with some friends from there. So that was actually turned out turned out to be a nice weekend at the end. So a bit of a challenge. We never if you never did that, you

never to saw your friends. It's true. It's true. Everything works out for a reason. It's true, you know, and you know, blessings can come in different forms. So again, it was a really good opportunity to connect with another church, you know, connect with them. And I know at the time, if I remember rightly, sadly one of their young

people had passed away. I remember, rightly, yes, yeah, yeah, you're very sad time for them, So you know, hopefully that had provided a little bit of an uplift during a really sad time as well, get him little bit of healing because we talked about that. I forgot about that. Yeah they did, and yeah touched them deeply. That's what That's what the girls got up to sing about, right, the young pro and

that passed away. Yeah, so again you know, yeah, so go an opportunity to go out and share a bit of what's happening for us or vice versa is always a really good opportunity. So I'm going to play a piece of music here, and I'm going to play a track that's funny. Pat you we say about playing some Christmas music, I haven't put any in this time, actually, and it's that coming here. We've got a few more weeks for that to come in. But this is the track by Anita

Wilson called We're out Here Trusting God. So we're going to have to listen to that and then we'll come back and talk a little bit more about in our last again, time has flown the last half hour. That's some of the other things that we spoke about as well. So We're out here Trusting God by Anita Wilson. If you're feeling let me hear you singing ya all right, won't go within my purpose on my mind, decided I ain't wasting no more time. I'm on my grind. The thing's impossible with Jesus on

my side. Now every day I'll be out here walking by me. It's why make them moves that I made, and I won't break. There ain't nothing that can stoping this. Wait. Yeah, I'm just saying they trust saying God, I'll be praying. Listen, Then you want to be saying I ain't praying. I'm just saying, be trusting God already play there she be waiting. Yea, she said, God, every damn dropping shopping on rising. I don't have to see it ready becoming. I remember promised that

in me. Just know my testing human never thing, It don't matter how long it is, if it meets forever stand right here in mon, I'll be out here walk in my face. That's why I'm in the move that I am mad. I won't break. There ain't nothing next stop this way. Way. I'm just sound interesting. God just saying I'm hobby praying. Listen. I didn't know what he's saying. I'm just sound interesting. God, I trusting I already claimed it. You should be waited. Yeah,

interesting God, every head driving. If it's all the ridic bob it out interesting, God, I don't have to see it. I already believe. People call me crazy great because I trust somebody that I can't see, and I believe with everything in me that I'm gonna get other things that he told me. So I lived my life care free knowing that he is the key and he got everything I need. That's what I call him, the king of King. So I go have fun and create a little day to get

back to work. Bring the internet, because he is the bag, he is the check, he got the plan, he know what's next. So every day I go a little higher, waiting on Jehovah Girah. Remember the ones who told you nobody but a bad Listen and know what he's saying. Already clean Precia. Now they're trying to say, and I'm here. I said on trust. We're out here trusting God. Anita Wilson, So we were just talking again with having a bit of a recap of some of the

shows that we've done throughout twenty twenty three. There's been a lot of things because as we're talking about that, I know what's kind of going through having listening to some of the podcasts you've got. If you always wanted to listen back to Talking Point, you can find our podcast on spree. If you go on there and search for a Talking Point, you'll find our show. So do you go back and have a listen. But there's been so many

things we've talked about. Every time I keep kind of looking and I'm like, I don't remember this. I don't remember this. But there's been a lot that we've talked about. But with ty on again today, one of the one of the other shows that we did, and a couple of shows that we did, was about siblings. I remember rightly. It was to celebrate there's lots of awareness days throughout the year, and you know, when we look at there, it's probably an awareness day of absolutely everything. There's

some kind of special day for something. So it was always quite interesting to sort of, you know, have a look at some of those and think about, you know, that's definitely a good theme topic. But we were looking I think it was other Brothers and Sister's Day or National Siblings Day, so we would talk to some siblings. So and on that one we discovered and I never realized this Pedro has said that he told us to keep saying that. But I told you guys over and over probably that she had a

twin, yes, and I but I did not remember. I did not recall this. Did not remember, you know why, because as women, you don't listen to men. I went there, Yes, I went there. Oh that's a te topic for another day, another day. I need to be fair. But you probably did tell us. I don't recall. Sometimes my memory is not as good as i'd like it to be. But yes, So we were talking about siblings and our sibling relationships, and we

had on we had a set. We had sets of siblings and myself included, Andrek was on with her twin, and we also had Andre and Ruel as well, and we had you and your sister. Yes, yes, and that was it was another sibling, no hash and her name has gone out of my head. So we did a part of too, We did a part of two, That's why I did. But we had Alison on. So, as I've said, we've had you know, we've had lots of graetitioners on and lots of you know, we have our resident therapists who

come in and help us. So Alison is one of them as well. So she had joined us on that show to kind of, you know, give us a little of the I suppose from a professional perspective on sibling relationships. Alison, did the other lady also join us too? Now to cut you off, I'm sorry, quite possibly names. I've actually had two professionals on first day. But yeah, note my notes. I yeah, misslaid

that. So but we were talking about sibling sibling relationships. So Tara, you are a twin, which I was like, wow, that's amazing. I was really love to hear you have your sister on, you know, all the way from the state. So appreciate Sharah coming on there. So yeah, we were talking about, you know, again, your relationship with your twin. Now I have I have sisters, so I can kind of understand the sister relationship with sister bond. But tell us a little bit just

to recap in terms of what it's like to have a twin. I have a couple of friends who have twins twin siblings. But I used to think to myself, Oh, that'd be really fascinating to have a twin. Oh I think I possibly have lost these two as well. Oh, we are really having technical difficulties here. Hopefully they'll rejoin us back. But oh, this seems to frozen. You can hear us, Okay, maybe it could be my reception. Okay, you're back. Okay, it just frowz on

me there, ye can hear you. Yeah, it was kind of like it was it a lull to have a twin sister. I was just yeah, saying, what is it like to have a twin, so I can kind of yeah, Okay, having a whore has been cause I had one that I can grow up with and share everything with and talk to good and bad days. And I think for me, that's what I miss the most being away and living abroad, is not being able to connect with my sister in the sense of just being able to physically see her and talk to her.

I will say that, you know, but our bund is still pretty tight. I talk to her a lot, and I think it's important to even cause even though we may have siblings, you may not be close to them. And I know for me, I am very close to my sister. I talk to her every day. It's most mostly every day, even if it's just for a couple of seconds or minutes or whatever. But we talk, and I just love how we have kept our connection going even though

our lives are so different. I'm just glad that we able to connect with each other. And if you and I will tell anyone if you have an issue with just the ladle brother or sister, you know, trying to make it right because you never know, you know your time, can you know in and you don't have the opportunity, And I don't. I try not

to. I know I shouldn't, or I try not to let situations or how I may feel about a certain situation change how I feel about our relationship and our burn and I think that's where we have really grown as sisters. Yeah, no, I can definitely, I can definitely relate to that, especially you know, I don't have a twin. And it's interesting one of the things that we were talking about as well, in terms of, you

know, looking at sometimes age differences or what have you. And I know Rul and Andre there's an age quite a bit of an age gap between them, but they still have quite a good relationship between them. I know with my sister this you know, not Nolm was five years different. But actually we are incredibly close and I kind of think as we've got older, our closeness and bonds has developed more. I think it's there's sort of the age

gap at certain times. So I think, you know, when she was thirteen and I'm eighty, it didn't seem to have much in common then, and we probably fought a lot and everything else. But as we've got older, and as you said, lives change, you know, the things you go through, you definitely get closer. And I know, so that's that's the month. I'm not sure if she's listening today. Maybe, but again she's abroad, she's in the States, so I don't see how although you

know, when she can, she's come over. She's over for the last couple of months. She left me on Sunday, which was quite sad. But you know, again we speak, We speak every day, several times day probably and probably never been closer. And there's you know, there's things going on for us as a family that we are able to support each other

with. So definitely having that kind of bond with a sibling is incredibly important, and it's a really special bond as well, you know, and even though as she said, life can be very different in terms of your lives since you're doing or where you are. To be able to still maintain those connections, those bonds, it's really really special. Yeah, and that's why and I thank God for you know, the technology we have today. They were able to you know, face time and you know, do those things

that we weren't able to do back then. And I think that's why we're able to connect and stay connected, you know, like we are today. So I would say take advantage of it to anyone, any sibling or family member to just use that time to just talking. And so most times we're talking about nothing, honest, just we we just on the phone, sometimes just holding the phone, just listening to each other. Other people literally do

and you know, I don't think nothing of it. We had just been like, oh girl up here, you know, I'm still on the phone, and we'll laugh about it or whatever. It's just those little things that you will miss if the opportunity was to, you know, go So you know, I just I say take advantage. So I was gonna say, so, yes, you see, you guys, you grew up with your siblings. I didn't have siblings growing up. Two hours about well, no,

I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. I did have siblings, but they were not in my immediate family because my father had multiple children, so I had an older sister and then it was me, and then I had a younger sister, so we didn't go up in the same household, but they were my siblings in Bermuda. And then my mother married my father when I was fourteen, so then I developed a whole new family of like six

people of brothers and sisters. So that was pretty interesting growing up as like a blended family with siblings and stuff for myself that we had a good action. It took a while for us to get to get to get used to each other. It wasn't like it didn't happen overnight. It took us a couple took us a couple of years. From me and my sister, I can't remember theac I think it's the day I lit a part of my hair

as the day weted. I'm being honest, I just don't. I can't because we because you know, she got stuck with me since she was older than me, so anywhere she went, I had to go. So that's how we that's our relationship got strong with my sister and myself was we got strong because I ended up hanging out with everything she did, I did right, So I had to you know, I'm not going to you know, telling myself, but you know, just the things we did, I had

to learn. So that was the sister because your sister's been on the show. Yeah, So you know, as much as it wasn't this year, I think it was the previous I think last year, previous year. Yeah, And it's quite interesting, and we know we were we were utilizing using this program to kind of really look at, you know, the different relationships

that siblings will have with each other. I think we discussed about, you know, in terms of and this is where Allison's kind of expertise and knowledge was coming in in terms of, you know, are there kind of sometimes the stereotypes like is there you know, differences between the first child or the middle child or the youngest child, those kind of things, And it's quite

interesting to see whether we could relate to some of that. I'm I'm the eldest, so I see myself that I've paved the way for my younger sisters and other things that I did not get away with. It's like it was easy for them, and I'm like, yeah, because I took the responsibility being an older sibling. Was it a lot of responsibility on you being an older sibling. I guess it was, And I suppose in some ways I've

kind of took that on. You know, I know I'm incredibly protective of replect of my family, but protective of my sisters, you know, and you know I will do anything I can can to do them take the responsibility and kind of like you know, you take on the mummy figure and what have you. She publigized my sister insane, but you know, and she thinks I'm probably quite well. Actually i'd say she's quite pussy. But people got bossing of each other, but you kind of do. But I think

it was always you know, you are the eldest. You are the oldest one. You should know better, You need to say a good example, that kind of stuff. So there was that it's put upon you as a responsibility. But I guess part of that was that I took the honor as well. But again, like I said, it paved the way because you know, some of the things I probably went through just made it easier for them, really know, So it can work both ways because for me being

I was the Blender family. My mother. Since I was the oldest to my mother, she put that kind of those responsibilities on me, even though I was not the oldest anymore. Right, So, like when when my mother had twin boy and a girl, they got away of murder because by then my parents were older, they just was like, forget it. It

just wouldn't do. They didn't punish them like they punished us. But then they put the responsibility of Shaella and myself onto the girl, onto the children of watching them, taking care of them and stuff, because they was always doing stuff, especially on the weekends, crusades and stuff. So for me, I had that responsibility even though I was not responsible to if responsible enough

to do it times. But I still have the responsibility because I was the oldest to my mother, so she looked at me to to do a certain thing, whereas my father looked at his daughter to do certain things because she was the oldest. Right Yeah. And so then then it took a while because like when first we didn't like each other at all. We hated each other. I don't I mean not to use that word, but we just did not like each other because we was getting used. We didn't know each

other. So it took us a while, but once we got to know each other that we learned how to adjust our responsibilities equally amongst each other. So some things I would take care of and something she would take care of, yea. So it was never like it was never just one person. Was always like you. You said you were the oldest, so you always felt like responsible for for every you know, everything that went down. We

kind of we was different. We had our we knew our different responsibilities growing up as we got older, so it was a little bit different for us. It's interesting. I guess there was maybe a sense of rivalry between the two of you at the Swiss who could who could do the one other one better? Yeah, it was kind of that too. Yet it was a little competition going on there yet and the fact that you didn't like each other.

And I guess because you were almost thrust into that situation, you know, it's you know it maybe maybe didn't feel like you have any choices in the matter because we didn't. That was part of it. And space we had no we had no space. I remember growing up, we used to have to put a sheet between our room. She was on one side of the sheet and I was on the other side of the sheet. Then when we moved into another house, we had a dresser that was in between.

She was on one side of the dresser and I was on the other side of the dresser. So we think about it. You're a teenager. You had your room all to yourself all these years. Now I'm sharing it, not not not just with another person, but a person of the opposite sex, right, Okay, So it changes the whole dynamic, you know. And so now I'm sharing it with another a woman, a girl, and I'm like, I don't I don't want to share. She don't want to share. So that was part of it too. So yeah, to queens.

And then we finally got our own rooms and that was beautiful. Yeah. So it's definitely Allie blessing. You know, we sometimes we can't sometimes we can't choose our family how that sort of comes together, you know, But it's definitely where you can and you know we're talking and that I recognize that every family finds things as easy or gets on. There are many challenges that can impact the relationships that we have. But you know, we're coming

to the end of the year and a new year will be starting. This potentially could be an opportunity where you can maybe sort of see whether actually things that have been happening can be you can work towards, whether it's a resolution or some healing and what have you to be able to kind of, you know, restart those relationships again if they're broken, or look in ways that

you can strengthen your relationship. I recognize that's not always easy and main need some external support and help with that, you know, because you kind of think it's like be a very it must be very very sad when you know you have family that you don't connect with. You know, I have that experience myself, and you know, as much as I'm saying this, I think, you know, what can I do differently? How can I reach

out? How can I do whatever? It may not happen, And sometimes things are like that for very good reason, and sometimes that's the best thing in that situation. But if you have the opportunity to make a connection, then possibly that could be something has we come to the end of the year when we reflect on and you know this time of the year people do reflect on that, you know, doing during this Christmas period in this this season

it's not. It's not always easy for people for various different reasons. So you know, this could be a time of reflection, it could be time, it could be time of what have you as well. So yeah, so, yeah, siblings, it's an interesting one. God and love them as they say. As one of my favorites of the year. That was

my favorite because it was just fun to listen to different people. I think and and Andrea and his brother was talking about that because remember Andrea's brother was like ten fifteen years, like thirteen years younger than him, so he grew up differently, same parents, but grew up different than Andrea because of the

age of the age gap. So it was just fun to hear, like you said, just to hear the difference of how things can change, and just the difference of bringing you know, you bring up your children different and even with the same parents, it's not necessarily blended family, just even to say it could be different. So that were two of my favorite shows for the year, definitely, and I think you know the idea that we've been

you know, looking at different relationships throughout the year as well. Very quickly we talked about Father's Day as well. We did a sort of musical tribute around fatherhood, and we had Stephen Fuller on sharing his experience of being a young father. He has two children, and you know, the sense of responsibility that he has that he feels looking at how his own relationship with his

own father may have shaped some of how he parents as well. You know, it's a learning experience and you know, ultimately we look into our heavenly father to help guide us and what have you. But there's so much more that we try and do within our own relationships as well. And the idea

also a brotherhood as well. You know, again that's kind of an extension of you know, the siblings, but also when we think about our relationships within our church communities, you know, we are brothers and sisters or we are brother and sisters keepers that kind of thing as well. So and we touched on the idea of how we can connect and part of that also was around the whole idea of men connecting as well. Later on in the year, we have looked at the men's chat and we'll talking about be a little

bit more on our next recap show. But again, we know, as women, we love to talk, we love to share and reconnect, and sometimes men don't necessarily do that in the same way. I'd like to think that they still they do connect to have the right way. However, studies have shown and when we think about studiest ladies can lie ask me and maybe they opening up now, but a lot of me and hold back a lot

of the This is what I'm going to tell you something real quick. For a man from a mental perspective that I've learned over the years, until a man could be honest with himself, he cannot share. Yeah, yeah, I believe that, plain and simple. You say why men don't share, why they don't talk, because they, honestly, I can be honest with themselves sometimes and then sometimes two when they do talk, they're shut down.

There have been there are extra size they are or just your feelings. You shouldn't feel that way, like they're put there, put they put back. So then they said, we if you're not going to listen, Like if I say to my wife's something that she just kind of shuts me down, I'm not going to bring it up again because why because she's not listening to me anyway. So if you're not being listened, if you feel like you're not being It's just like a woman. A woman wants to be listened to

herd and seen. Men are the same way. Reason the society doesn't look at it that way. They don't. They don't want to listen to a male or be or see the male, especially if he's being what's that word, If he's being what's the word? What's the word? If he's being true to himself or just being pure, just being honest. They don't want to hear that. And then sometimes they say, if you're being if I'm

being honest, oh, he's being too aggressive. So if I'll be aggressive, I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna say that because you think I'm gonna be aggressive. So it's like a male. We have so much. Women have it hard to I'm not saying women don't have it hard, but I'm just saying I'm just talking about from a male perspective as why men don't really talk some of those things by unfortunately society. And I'm going to use the word society in terms of the messaging that and I say society, not even

men as children. You know, the conditioning of boys and girls, the gender stereotypes, all those kind of things, those kind of the messaging and how. And again this is not necessarily a talk on how people are parenting or what have you, but there are certain stereotypes and the way men should be, women should be, boys should be, girls should be And unfortunately, some of those things feed into that. So, you know, the

idea that men don't talk, that's come from somewhere, you know. And at the end of the day, as you said, when you know, boys aren't necessary boys, you know, if they're rough and tumble and everything else. And actually if you're seen to be otherwise, that's seen as they really negative thing. You know, you need to be tough, you need to mannite up, all those kind of things, all those kind of comments. So that shapes a lot of how then men respond to certain things.

How they don't open up, they don't do that. And unless we're able to sort of change that narrative. You know, we're talking about stats and research and what have you. We've covered a lot of things around mental health. You know, the highest number of people who men who take their own life is those very same you know, are men and certain age groups as

well. So again, you know, there's a lot to be said around how men are able to connect with their own emotions and feelings, and that being unable to have a space where they can explore those things without that, as you said, being ostracized or looked down on or treated differently, just completely shut down. But now we're running into a new problem because now along with that issue, the way society is raising our young women, they're raising

them in a manly form. So now some women are not talking either because they've been told tough up, tough up, you know, and you know what I mean, like they, oh, you know, you're a woman. You can handle it yourself. You don't need a man to handle it for you like that. So we're coming to that generation now, whereas it's even kind of filtering over to the women, to the young girls too,

to a turn a stent. But like I said, that's a whole other I don't want to point that out, you know, but you realigius have much. You know, society is shaping and you know this is where parents have such an important role, you know, And I say parents, you

know, parents, extended family. If you're single or married, that is, you have such an important part to play in how you can kind of foster and bring up your children in the sense of you know, being you know, like I said, open, honest, being able to have a

conversation. You know, again, we're always encouraging parents, and as I'm saying this, I recognize how challenging that can be because sometimes we don't necessarily know the right things to say or how to go about it, or if things aren't working, you know, it's understanding or what every child is different, every person is different, what the best thing is to do there.

But again we want to as a show called Talking Point, we want to encourage conversation and talking, making those connections where you can otherwise you know, you know, children will grow up to people who don't connect, have difficulties, you know, engaging with their emotions and their feelings. And then what comes from that is you know, people having their own mental health challenges and difficulties, you know, and how they're connecting and engaging from day to day.

So you know, there's a lot to be said around the relational side of life and that you know, we've covered various different things on that as well. And then we are fast approaching that seven o'clock time, just as both of you are on here and we're looking back over twenty twenty three. How would you sum up? I was thinking about us as some sort of closing thought, How would you sum up twenty twenty three for you? If you could sum up? I was gonna say in a couple of words,

lady. First, I thought, I'm kind of still thinking about that, but I will say, I'm just glad that I made it through the whole year, and God has blessed me to still be here with my family and everything. So I would say it's not been a bad year. You know, I can't complain at all, you know. Yeah, that was that. That's pretty much it for me. Yeah, Pat For me, twenty

twenty three has been a learning experience. I think this year has has shown the changes that are going on in the world, and it's showing that we need to be more attentive to what's going on, to the little nuances and the little things that are happening, and pay attention because we don't. Twenty twenty four is going to hit us and they're gonna be Harry, we ain't gonna know what happened. We're gonna be like, when did that star happening?

We're like, oh, twenty twenty three and we're like, what when where? So for me, twenty twenty three has been a learning experience and paying more attention, doing things different. Yeah, just be more just being more in tune with my with teenagers, with children, with my spouse, with myself, with my friends, just being more attentive in the things that I do, being more deliberate in what I do. Okay, Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I think similar to you Pedro, actually the idea

of it being a learning experience. I mean, again, with Utah, I'd say definitely glad that I've made it through because I would say it's been for me, it's been a pretty tough year for various reasons. But again, you know, and one thing with Talking Point, there's been a lot that you know, we do our own research, you come up with ideas for topics and things. What have you Definitely learn a lot, you know,

I like to research, I like to look at things. But it's been really really good to get practitioners on professionals on their field just to kind of hear their perspectives on stuff. That's been really really important and really you know, challenges your thinking on stuff because as you may think you have a level of understanding or knowledge, but there's always something to learn, always something

that they can take from something and can learn from other people. So you know, all the shows that we've done, where we've gone through, but again, on a personal level, I think one thing that's been really important. It's a concept of memory. Some you know, some may know that my mum has dementia. So the idea that's, you know, somebody's losing

their memories but you're still trying to create them as you're going along. But the idea that actually, you know, time flies by so quickly and you're trying to sort of look back and reflect on things, and the idea of memory being really important, and it's really important to create memories and do things to kind of capture those moments where you can, because they could be fleeting

gone just like that. But as you and I say all of that to say that despite all the challenges that are going on in the world, and you know, there are so many things, my heart goes out and at the moment I'm not really even listening to the news that much because I'm finding a bit too distressing. But there are still good things that have happened. We've still been blessed to get to this point. You know, it's been a hard year. There's been lots of losses, lots of ups and downs

for people. So heart goes out to anybody who's you know, any recent bereavements or people who are unwell. But we have been blessed throughout this year. And having the opportunity to connect with people, to talk to people, to share what we have to say and our thoughts on that and you're kind of raising awareness definitely been important. So I've definitely been glad for that.

But I said some that I've been a few words, but I really want to kind of end with one of my favorite texts, and you know, as we're coming to the end of our show today, when I thank you all for listening in. If you have any thoughts on any of your favorite shows or any points that we've talked about, please do pop over to Spreaker spreaker dot co dot uk. I do believe it is and check out Adventage Radio London and Talking Points and have listened to any of the shares that we've

done. But I really want to leave one of my favorite texts, which is Isaiah forty verse thirty one. But those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles. They will run

and not grow weary. They will walk and not be faint. That sometimes has summed up what sometimes my day to day can be like, because like this week, I felt like I'm exhausted, I'm shattered, But you know, I'm sort of thankful that God still gives me the strength, still gives me the opportunity that you know, he and I believe that He's there going to help me find the energy, find the kind of will to kind of you know, continue and do things. And you know, ultimately I know

hopefully then yes, I can soar. I can There'll be one day where we're not going to have any aches and pains, and I hope and prove that, you know, myself along with all the you know when else, will make it to Heaven and we can kind of, you know, sit down with God and have a really good, interesting conversation with him about you

know, what life has been like. But I want to encourage, you know, as we're coming to the end of twenty twenty three, to really kind of look back and reflect on, you know, how the year has been for you. I hope there have been many blessings throughout that year, and I pray that there will be blessings to come. So I'm going to say thank you for joining us on talking Point today. I apologize for the technical difficulties that we've had sometime. Technology is fantastic, but it can fail

us just like anything else. Unfortunately, we lost Sennya because she was able to get back onto the zoom call, so shout out to her for trying to persevere. But I hope you back with us next week as we'll be doing another continuation of the recap for the rest of the year. And thank you Tara for joining us today. And I hope you feel better having me soon. And Pedro is always great her host lots to say, so I'm going to end with a song by Jonathan Reynolds. God is good because he

is in pray out. Oh yes we are, so I'll as you. I've been waiting for you to ask me okay, yes, so let's just do it quickly. That's thank you having if we want to thank you for bringing us together for this talking point session. We asked a lot that whoever was listening man I've got something from it, as we have got something from it. Continue to be off us as we are now going to the end of the year into the new year. Continue to bless us, watch overs

and protect us. Or you're gracing your mercy for this opera and your holy name. Amen, Amen, thank you, it's been Talking Point. Thank you for joining us again. Please do tune into Advantage Radio London for over tomorrows live programming starting with I Believe Family matters, hope and I can't remember the others, but cheating in any way, there'd be something here my marriage here, my marriage new Brandy. Do listen in. But thank you for

okay, yeah, definitely cheering marriage. There's a business show, there's a lot song, so do tune into Adventis Radio London. But ultimately and to thank you for listening to Talking Point, enjoy the rest of your evening and the rest of the weekend, and just know that God is indeed good. Thank you and good night. See you again, Bye bye. Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song