Is Mr. Big an F Boy?... (S1E4 "Valley of the Twenty-Something Guys")

Hi.

I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everybody, welcome back to Are You a Charlotte. Today we're going to talk about episode one oh four. It's in season one and it's called Valley of the twenty something Guys. And I love this episode so much. And I have a fantastic guest with me today. His name is blakely Thornton. He's a super fan and

I don't either, Like honestly, that was a headline that Hunger magazine gave me when I was like, oh wow, this is my first and friends of like speaking as yourself in like, oh that's what That's what you got from that?

That's super interesting, okay, because I personally would not just describe you as that way though. What I do love so much about you anythings, First of all, super smart, extremely insightful, very funny, but also you just say it like how you see it, and there's not a lot of kind of layers or nonsense. You're not trying to please anybody, and that's very refreshing and wonderful.

Brands. I call it. See something, say something, I'm like, what, oh, all right.

I love it. I love it.

That's what we need at this time, I think in internet land because like, to me, you're not mean, You're just honest.

Yeah, I'm like, I think there's no value. I always say, like, there's no value in not calling the thing the thing, because I'm like, what are we getting out of it? That's how we got here, we were all it's okay, let's use you phemisms like well now.

Right right right.

But also I feel like that created this land where like people could be mean and because they were saying things kind of like honestly people are like amazing when in fact, no, not really, they're really mean, you know. But also I think just the joy of people speaking freely, people respond to that.

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You know.

I think you're trying to I try to like infuse some joy into it, like alowd you do? Yes? Funny you do you do?

My thirteen year old love zoo, oh thank you. I know she doesn't have Instagram so I have to show her. So I pick and choose based on the subject matter, you know, And she was like out of everyone I've had, she was like, it was so cute, it was so so cute. So anyway, she wish she was here. She wanted to skip school. But when I told her you're on zoom, she was like, oh, okay, but she will be listening.

Yeah, So hi, Gemma, you're listening.

Hello, Hello, Gemma. A pleasure, A pleasure to meet you through the internet.

There you go, one day, one day in person, one day person.

All right, this is so exciting because I am really really curious what you're going to be saying, and I really don't know.

So let me just say that to everybody.

It's not like we we have had no contact other than me following him basically, and we do no I think, you know Molly right, you know our costume designer or dance.

We visited the whole archive in Queens like for me is a young little like Elgibillennial gay boy. I was like, I have I remember these moments because I'm much more familiar with the series than I should be, Like, I remember the first episode I saw was I think, like season one, the last like, well, you guys are the Hamptons and like Carrie finds out bigxating someone else, she's on the cowboy hat on the Oh. Yeah, I was

No way, okay.

This year like breaking new ground in terms of my perception of who was watching the show, because I had no idea that was happening either.

Well, I don't think it should have been like if our parents are kind of handling it like we were twelve, like what is that tasting spunk? And it's like a bunch of like teenage boys.

Valid question, really valid question, But I don't think that's a bad thing. No, right, like that might have been educational.

I think it was very I think honestly, all the guys that watched it like were better with their girlfriends because they kind of had a more advanced I love that. And what the female experience was, Oh my god, okay, I like, oh, they kind of had the inside tracks.

That's amazing. That's amazing and wonderful.

I mean whenever men, like there was a time when it was predominantly women would talk to us like.

Oh, we love it. Then sometimes men would.

Be like, oh, you know, my girlfriend, you know, makes me watch it, and we.

Were like that's okay, cool.

However, you know, and we were always like secretly like that's great. You know, thank god the girlfriend's making me watch it, because that's gonna help, you know, that's going to help the meeting of you know, the the the sexes over the divide, the great Divide.

So I'm excited to hear.

But you were in seventh grade, so that that is really interesting.

Okay, yes, I should I should thought it been again, it was my my I think the series finale aired like the fall of my like this fall of my senior year in high school. I think it was like Wow, November two thousand and three, so like I remember that. I rely wow cough Carrie. Yeah startek phone.

I remember that too. What did you think of Orishna cough?

And then well we're gonna go backwards in time, But just curious because I've been hearing some interesting takes on Bristia.

Always interesting to see how you felt originally when you see it and then going in rewatching it. I think through both and just like that and then rewatching the original show on Netflix. Everybody's kind of like contextualized differently, Yeah, Barishna cough. Like I feel like I've dated men like him that are like thoroughly I've dated a Parisian man who had, you know, a lot of things and was significantly older because I'm thirty nine, So I guess what

Well, like to me, he's just super aloof like like he makes mister Biggs seem like he's not a loof, which is interesting comparison.

Mister Biggs like he's amazing. But then you go early, mister Big, I'm like, this man is a he was a boy before there was a word for it.

I mean, is he Okay, so can you please please define boy for me? Okay, because I'm confused.

I think a boy is just like a man who has a little bit of Peter Pan syndrome, has money, but also kind of like he is consistent in his inconsistency. And I find that is very big for Carrie. In the first few seasons, he's like, let's go like even this episode, let's go to drinks, drink thing, let's go to this. That right for me, like just a man that gives you red flags, but right after the red flag is like an immediate excuse to keep you confused.

Okay, then I've totally totally get it. See I was confused by the boy part. I thought this boy part meant like like an unemployed you know, like boy, like a pool boy.

I don't know what I thought in my brain.

A man who's in it to like keep you emotionally tethered.

Oh, Okay, well I know all aboustioning.

Like this show, you can go back to the episode, but like even like the phones in episode in this episode, yeah, I feel like I grew up on This is the New York. I was promised and then didn't get because I.

Know, I'm really sorry. I feel that way for so many people. But when they're.

Actually in the bar and there are multiple people on a landline on an old fashioned phone, what is happening?

I wanted to be I want to go back to that, like like I want to go to there, like I got the end of it. Like I don't even remember Indy Sleeve's like twenty ten. It was right before everybody had a phone on the camera on their phone.

Yeah, it was still kind of like a little bit very different times.

This is a club called dark Room, where like the bouncer was a drug dealer and you'd see like the whole cast of Gossip Girl and like you can't do like I had like a fight with Sebastian standover or a slice of pizza, like you can't have anymore.

No, it's so sad.

There's just there's surveillance everybody.

No, you can't do nothing. I know, it's terrible.

But when you see the bars, because I've been sober a long time, right, so I wasn't really going out except when we would film at these places. And I'm not quite sure, especially in this particular episode value of the twenty sething guys, I don't know where they are, Like do those look like real bars to you?

I feel like New York bars. There's a there's a consistency where there's always kind of like a hook, whether it's like you know, I feel like Samantha through the PR lens, Like I remember when you guys like there's bed, there's yes, sushi, there's you know, yeah, yeah, there's all those things. And I feel like for me, like that bar could come back now because I feel like there's a certain like movement from especially from like gen Z

Phones, which would be amazing. I would go, we should open that you see.

The hottest club and like trybeca for like a year.

You know, it would be fantastic. I agree, it would be fantastic.

I mean my feeling now And I don't know if this is shaped by where we film for and just like that, because when we came back to do and just like that, it was post COVID, like just barely post COVID, right, so anywhere wanted us Like it was shocking to us because it used to be that we'd have to kind of beg and plead and go through all these you know, hoops and pay huge amounts of money to get places because they were like, we don't know who you guys are in the beginning, right, But

Were like please please come, you know.

So we're filming it Daniel, Like we never could have gotten into Daniel, you know, it's crazy.

So we're filming it.

Extremely posh, extremely beautiful places not where we used to film you know.

Well now also with the full circleness of like again like of Sex and the city of the movies. Even just like that, I feel like people who run these places have to be firmly aware of the cachet they get by you going there. So it's like, yeah, thank god, three sixty experience or one eighty for you guys at being like from like nineteen ninety eight to like twenty twenty four being like, oh, please come film at our hotel, use the penthouse, do whatever you want, like set on fire.

Yeah, it's really nice. It's really nice. It's a nice difference. But sometimes I wonder, like, are we just elevated now to a point of almost like unobtainable? Whereas when you see the bars, especially that one, you know, the one where she she goes to see Big to have the thing that drinks.

You forty eight blocks and formant that I have a problem with that. Okay, someone who's worn low nobody's walking.

She totally does.

And there is a theme okay, because you remember after Big Dies she walks like eighty blocks.

She would totally do this, Sir, Jessica can totally do this. It's insane.

Forty eight blocks in Manolo's. I can't walk forty eight blocks and driving loafers, I know.

I mean, I will say this, our feet have suffered. Our feet, all of us collectively are you know, pretty much a mess. Like we could go to any podietrist at any time and they'd be like, oh my god, you know, but at the time, like Sarah can run on the cobblestones. I mean she is like like an athlete. Okay in the heels.

That line threw me. I was like forty eight blocks. I know I would have gotten in the cab, run out, not paid, and had the twenty year old man, I know my cabs with the.

Cash to because she's like, I left my cash. It's such a different world.

She's like, I left my when don't you left your cab?

Yeah, she got the cash.

Get No, there was no uber, there was no you didn't even pay cabs with credit card. I still when I get in a cab, I'm like, do I have cash?

And then like no, wait a minute.

It's five.

Oh my god.

World really weird, weird. Some establishments don't take it. I'm like, you don't take American money? Is this legal?

I know, I know.

It's very discombobulating.

Rid of cash. Now, I'm like, when I have cash, I'm like, I need to find a place that takes it, because many a thing doesn't. I know it.

It's troubling.

So wait, let's go back to the episode because it's kind of fun because it is like a time machine, right, this particular one. The first season in general, and especially this particular one. So tell me when did you personally come to New York City.

I personally came to New York City in the fall of two thousand and nine, so.

Okay, so way later, way later.

When this episode originally aired, I was twelve years old.

So wow, wow, wow wow, because for me.

Timothy Oliphant is justified. And I'm like, right, oh, and he isn't he amazing? He's the young and in this would you have die?

Isn't he's like incredible?

Yeah? He would have been twenty seven twenty eight when this episode was filmed. I'm like, wait, Timothy afit was in his twenties thirty, Like, he's aged very well, so good job too.

I mean, right with that hair now, my god, but listen, I really was like at the time, I was.

Like that guy, Oh god, that guy.

Yeah, way, yeah.

He was already married, ye know, he was, yes, yes, yes for him adorably. I think he already had a bunch of kids even, And I was like, wow, you're so fascinating and obviously so incredibly talented, and you remember when Like I mean, if I were her, I would totally pick him and I would just work on the apartment.

I would just be like, let me do the apartment.

That was interesting to me because again, I feel like I'm around. It's interesting again watching now at the age that you guys kind of were when this series. For me. Yeah, so for me, like I've had that recent experience where I've like gone on a date with like a twenty five twenty six year old and like waking up in his apartment the next day and he had like I'm talking like mattress on the floor. I was like wait, wait, wait, I thought you said a low slung bed, and like

Sir?

I was like, oh no, no.

No, but what happened? Were you like, no, I'm out of here.

Oh. I was like. We woke up and I was like, let me order breakfast because I was hungry and now we have like uber eats, so I was like, okay, let me and he was so thankful that I ordered him breakfast. I was like that's odd, which was very sweet, but I'm like, this is like eleven dollars, like you know, twenty bucks. Okay, I have any like do you have any like sparkling water like, which was like, oh, that

Man, Oh I feel bad.

It was like, but he I was just like we're in different places in life, and like I just like great person text. A couple of times afters I was like, I'm I can't at thirty nine, I for the most part cannot do roommates.

Roommates are definitely a problem for sure, But I mean when I think back to this time in life, for sure there were people who had roommates and that could be problematic for sure, But it's also like, you know, I do think in the episode there is like, first of all, I don't know if you've listened to my podcast, or whatever.

I've not seen these episodes, Thank you so much. I've not seen these episodes.

Since way back, right, And I in my mind really thought that the first season was just like what like all over the place, you know, and not really formed. But now I'm looking back on it and I have a whole new appreciation, Like it's not perfect by any means, but it's all there, you know, it's all there, and it's.

Characteristics are surprisingly like blunt in the beginning, even when I saw when I think when you had that date come to the bar, and they were like it was he was the perfect guy for Charlotte, Like he had money, manners and like a job or something, and I was like, this is the original, Like have you heard that new Like it's like a meme like looking for a man in Finance six fives, Like I'm like, Charlotte's that original girl, Like Charlotte would have been true saying that that's so true,

And I was so criticized at the time. I don't mean me, I mean Charlotte, Like everyone's like she is so boring she's so boring and I was like, yeah, just wait, which you know, I'm just happy it worked out right. But like at the time, everyone thought that the other three were so much more interesting and obviously very powerful, and I was much more kind of traditional. But now I think people are rediscovering these things and talking more openly about these things.

I think maybe exactly.

I feel like it's interating because the zeitgeist. I feel like you can you can almost tell where the cultural zeitgeist is by which one of your characters they favor, and it almost like swings like this in a circle, because like everyone hated Miranda and then She'sy's like wait wait, having a job in some sense and like dressing and why I sell actually amazing that everybody hates Charlotte, and it's like, actually, wait, like liking love and wanting something,

Wait what does everyone say?

Everyone obviously leans me towards probably a Samantha in terms of like imagery and because I curse and I'm very sex positive. But for me, I'm just like actually, like I like having a job, I like stability, Like men are very much like secondary to me doing what I want to do.

I got it, but you don't practical.

Yeah, you don't complete me. But if you're an additive, that's good. And I feel like from Skipper to Steve, you know the s.

S A, Yes, there are a lot of guys in between there.

Like Skipper is the original Steve, Like Skipper Skipper fell so Steve could walk.

That's a good point.

That's a good point, though, Skipper, Skipper, when I look back at this, is hysterical in a way that I just didn't even really perceive it all in the beginning. You know, he's like a like a flailing you know.

Out laughing because because in the season when you guys still had the like the talk to camera with the people, so the basketball scene in this just threw me back to the nineties so hard because they were just like, oh, they filmed this like a Nike commercial. It's like, Bros, are I have never seen white men in their twenties in the park.

Actually in the guge they're in the cage.

Like like that's like a real thing. But I'm just like, oh, women like like skippers there.

Trying to make a basket.

Oh my god, I care walking to gumb like I know this for facts about that character.

And also I didn't realize but I saw it again when I watched that. The guys in the bar in the twenty sevening bar when she goes back are the same guys on the basketball, which is amazing, Like we were thinking in such interesting.

Ways at the time. But they do say some crazy.

Things, like they say like that kid who's seventeen says smarty.

It was, or like they remind me of my mom did what That's disgusting, Like why would you say to.

Like And this is when we're like I feel as a show that we're just trying to be like aggressively non judgmental, do you know what I mean? Like we're just like whatever, these dudes say, we're not going to judge them, whereas when I look at them, I'm like they're awful.

Oh yeah, right, awful.

The nineties like oh minute and whatever, I'm like, these are horrible human beings, right, And that was the dating pool, but that was also like it's an it's like it's representative of the culture at the time. Yeah, it really is just the amount of times that interestingly left even like I remember the Chris Rock Show in two thousand. You guys had like just been on the cover of something together, and it was like literally some like white male pundit like actively calling you guys horse.

It was so show this is what it was like.

I was like, wait, what I like, I remember being like fifteen, like nineteen eight, nineteen thousand.

Was it Bill O'Reilly?

Yes, because Bill O'Reilly came up to me in an event and he said, you know, he's really tall, right, and he said, if I ever see Darren Starr, I'm going to punch him in the face.

And I was like, huh. I was just like, what's happening.

And he goes, I can't believe what he makes you guys do, and I was like, you know, we really love our show, like we're.

Fine, We're fine, thank you, sir. You know it pretty confused. He was like aggressively critical.

That's such a micro cause culture though, like a strength crazy misogynist, like actually like verbally assaulting you about how they're going to help you, and you're like, I'm good.

I know, and then like what happens with him happens with him? I mean, it's fascinating, right, it's fascinating.

It's very fascinating coming from inside the house.

Bill, So let me ask you this though, Let's talk about Big and Carrie because I need like outside interpretation because for me, also, I'm looking back on it and I am kind of like amazed and confused a little bit about it. Like I wasn't thinking objectively at all about it at the time. I fully understood that they had chemistry and that was really what mattered or whatever. And also I think he looks a little sad, you know, like I part of me I just want to take

They do a very slow burn. It's very interesting and I feel like that whole kind of like non committal again, like man boy, because for me, like I feel like in twenty twenty five, you're a manning forties who's like divorced or like or makes money. It's like you need to like be able to be in tune with your feelings and say I like you, this is a date. Like that's a low bar for sure. He was just like, oh,

Like, I know she's so smart.

But for a man in his forties to pull that is right, is like insane. And I'm like, it's probably more common than we would think, but.

Like, oh, I think so, I think men do all kind of weird. But I also think that the person that's based on was a very very powerful person in New York in the nineties, right, So we knew that and it was written in there. And I don't know when you're watching it if you can really tell, but you know, when men are at a certain level of money and power structure, they're just like I can do whatever I want to do, and you're going to follow along,

I think that also might have been like when I look back on a very like the look on his face when when when view through the lens of their entire relationship. I think that might have been the moment where he decided to take her seriously because it was actually an expression of self worth. I feel like if Carrie stays through that date, like that's actually a really

Where she's amazing, Y's amazing, like.

You know what, and she's like and you can hear her and have like, am I confused? But like it's actually like we're getting the vulnerability of that moment as like the audience and the voiceover, but when he's getting as a woman being like nothing like in the most easy, breezy, beautiful yes, yes, wait, okay, I think like that in my mind when I watched it back yesterday, it was like, that's the moment I think he kind of like fell in love or the game became real because the first

I love that.

Yeah, And then she's like no, thank you, and he's like, okay, cool.

Then they see each other again and then she's walking away and she's like, oh, would have been so cool if I didn't look back.

She's also so good.

But I mean the other thing that I think when I'm looking at it is like their chemistry is so strong.

Do you think that I definitely, I think they were definitely like whatever version of quote unquote. Soul makes though are like when I look at it now and at my age through it, like I think the women are each other's soulmates and the men are added it to their lives. I think it's actually a love story between four women in reality, Like so it's an expression of platonic love, which makes the sex and the city ironic

Yeah no, I know, we don't even have you really yeah yeah, I mean nearly rom coms are making now are like older women younger men, which I'm so fascinated by, so fascinated by.

Okay, let's talk for a.

Second about Charlotte, because I feel this is the first good storyline that Charlotte gets, and I remember it all so clearly. I remember literally dying when we had to do the read through, literally dying when I first read the script, like oh, my god, I've been wanting a storyline and now this is it.

Yeah, I'm to go. I mean, honestly hyper realistic and to be real, especially as a gay man, timeless.

And I mean, if you think about it now, like Nikki Glazer stands up in her sick on, you know, stand up, there's a whole section on it where she gives like instructions, right, but like back then, you didn't say those words.

Oh no, that was crazy, and she's just like you, let's do it the regular way, and like that's crazy. Like again, you guys are just broaching topics that have become like really trailblazing, because again, I feel like just dating in regards to anal sex is timeless, universal, No, it knows no to wrap.

It was so funny that we're even saying this, Like it never would have crossed my mind at the time.

I just thought like, wow, I'm gonna.

Have to just get through this because I need a storyline and I need them to write for Charlotte. And like when when I was with Michael Patrick on the podcast and we talk about he remembers us at the read through because every episode still we do like an old fashioned read through so that he can hear it.

And you have to really perform, like you have to say it loud. You can't just like mumble in your little microphone.

You have to like hit those jokes or hey, we'll cut them right. It's like cutthroat type read through, right. I try to explain this to my young pretend children, like please be louder at the read through so that.

Your stuff doesn't get cut.

Yeah, you know, and they're like, what but anyway, back then, we couldn't get through it.

We couldn't get through the four of us.

We're like falling off our chairs, you know, which has happened once since then.

What I had to say.

Like some crazy thing to Harry and then just like that, I can't even remember what it is. I blocked it out, but like the four of us sometimes just get to laugh so hard. So when we went to film in the really really old cab, like there are some old cars in the show, but like this cab was like nineteen seventy five.

I read around that scene because I was like, are they the horse drawn carriage? I'd like them back? I don't. I what is that?

Is an old old cab that had enough room for all four of us, and the DP and the director are in the front seat with the handheld camera perched on the back of the front seat, which is.

A you know, like bankeet or whatever you would call it in a car.

Right. I think it reminded me of Taxicab Confessions. Yes, that might have been airing at the same time, but I think it was like, this feels like Taxi Cab Confessions. Have been watching and should not remember based.

On my I had forgotten about that. That was a good thing. That was fascinating. It was like that, so and that guy who plays a cab driver so great.

So our director and our DP are there, they're like hiding under the camera and then they'd like, you know, put their heads up and give us a note, and then we would have to do we would have to go back around to do each take so that the background matched, which is funny because you can't really see anything.

But like, these are the things that we took seriously.

So I never said the words, the real words I'm supposed to say until the take that we're rolling, because I was just mortified. All right, So we start, we start, we're doing this. It's like they're like this is it. You know we're gonna do it. So we go to do it. I can't say the words. I got my line because I can't say the words. And I was so embarrassed because then we had to go around the whole of the time. It's her Justa's like, it's okay, it's okay, it'll be okay, you can do it.

You can do it.

And then of course we pick up each one and my reaction when she's like, we're gonna go to you know whatever Miranda's addresses and I'm like no.

And then they're like, we're going to Samandag and I'm like no. Like it's very funny and very Charlotte, you know, I mean it.

Is it very much was I think it was just it was very Charlotte like. And again Charlotte has some of the more interesting lines and also just ends up her arc is interesting because I feel like you were all such three sixty human beings but were packaged in very palatable archetypes for the time.

Yeah, I mean we're only three sixty beings because of our writers working so hard over and you know, we had Michael Patrick, but so many women, and.

I feel like it, like everything kind of like slowly exposed itself when they're giving you archetypes, and obviously those archetypes have lasted for decades now through like you know girls or like other Michael Patrick King shows like like a Younger or like a show like you Know it's one girl, two guys, and then like the actual world around her ends up being more important than those men, which is a very interesting thing that I've seen in

Right, right, right, No, that's a good point.

That's a good point of Twilight or Hunger Games.

Oh my gosh.

She in the City Code where it's like which guy do I choose? And like my friends actually helped me with that, Like.

That's so interesting.

I never thought of that true line. But yeah, Charlotte, Charlotte's been dealing with everything, but she deals with everything through I feel like a bohemian Greenwich lens. That's what I call it. Like she was raised in Greenwich. Those are her mores, and those what she's that's what she's

I know, it's so interesting.

I want to man, She's like, Okay, do it in the house. Don't get pregned.

I know it's so it's so crazy, But I do think that's like a very relatable trajectory, you know what I mean, Like you know you kind of like like that's how Also, I think her friends have influenced her, you know, because people are still like, well, why were you friends with them in the beginning? I'm like what, why would I be? Because she wants to be them, you know what I'm saying.

Or even the episode, there was an later episode I think where after she maybe gets divorced or she's with Trey, where she's like goes back to the girls with the GRD edge and she's like, I hate these bitches.

She realizes she's the Samantha of that.

She's sheds funny about sex and then she's like, wait, these girls suck, like right.

That episode is how I ended up at the Jacques Moose show in Nice.

Oh what I remember that? I literally Yeah, he had a picture.

Simone had a picture of me with you know, my young self in like a tank top with a sweater tide, like so preppy, and that was the inspiration you wanted me to wear that.

I'm like, babe, it's so many years ago, I can't wear that tank top. He was like no, he was so sweet.

It's like just maybe a shirt, you know, but that was his whole inspiration, which I was like, how random, but also how incredibly flattering.

Yeah, I mean, that's so funny that, like you guys have been living these moments or moments that you might have forgotten, are such cannon or like you know, like personality defining things for now a new generation of creatives that like you're not working with like that, which is amazing interesting.

We would never have it, never, never would have entered our mind, you know, like at this point still you know, this aired in nineteen ninety eight, right, which is hysterical.

Nothing had aired yet before this first season.

We filmed the whole first season without anything on the air, and no one knew what we were so we weren't borrowing clothes at this point, like like we were hoping one day maybe we could borrow some clothes, you know, from somebody, like none of that had happened, you know, it was a different world.

But I have another thing I want to tell you about.

So, you know, the scene after the cab scene, and I go back to the guy who's played by Josh Stenberg, who's a great actor, Like, did you watch Fleischman is in trouble?

Is that what it's called? Flesh is in trouble?

I did.

He's on there. He's really scary.

He's a clear new gus guy, right.

I know, it was so good, so good. He's a great actor. He's been in so many things. I should have looked this up so I could list his things.

But he's great. And he was that guy, the guy.

Who wanted me to do the thing I didn't want to do, which I'm just not going to say. So we went we filmed that scene. I still have that shiny blouse. I still have all these clothes from back then, which is kind of funny because they're so boring, but I still have them.

And we filmed that scene. And I had been in.

Acting class for like twenty years at this point, right before before the show you know, got going so to me in acting class. They're always talking about high stakes, high stakes, So I'm thinking about how much she wants to get married, how this guy is so perfect but he wants me to do this thing, and how upsetting.

That would be. Whatever, So I'm very emotional.

Darren came to me and said, you know, babe, we've got to refilm that. And I'm like, what, Like, I think it's the only time in my life I've had to reshoot a scene based on my performance. And he said, listen, you know this is just one guy. There's another guy around the corner.

And I was like, what what?

Like to me, I did not understand that, Like, as a human being, I didn't understand that, and I didn't understand that from acting perspective. But also I didn't really know these girls yet, Like there are real girls that they were based on. I don't know about that, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, oh god, there's another guy around the corner.

Really for Charlotte, like this is what she thinks.

And he's like, yes, we've got to reshoot this.

I'm like, okay, So we did.

It's the only scene, thank god, in my career, I know, because he did not want me to have the high stakes, which I had never really been told like, don't have high stakes.

You know what I'm saying.

I mean that also for the time period, that scene is groundbreaking one.

I'm glad and too.

I wanted to say, like, also for me rewatching the series, it's so interesting and I'm not sure if you've had a guest say this yet. How much almost like my like coming out is coded with watching you guys date because like, as a kid, I'm like sitting here watching all this these episodes and like you're seeing sex for the first time, and I read like now it's like triggering me. Watching the first season, I'm like, oh, this is when I first realized I was attracted to do that.

Glad we could be of help, you know.

So there's so many there's so many levels. I feel like everybody like, I'm sure you hate hearing people say like, oh, we grew up with you because we're still like experiencing it.

Like, Noah, I don't mind.

I still need my LTW Charlotte spinoff. I would like, I just want you guys as crazy like Spence moms going and doing things like.

That's very great. Oh, you're gonna love the first episode.

Then when we would come back, I'm on a little adventure me and LTW.

We do have a good time. We do have a good time.

And also, I personally not that I'm ever wanting anyone to spend anything off from us. I always want to be there, right, But like LTW could actually just have her own spinoff because her whole family is so fascinating.

I've enjoyed the whole thing. I'm also like, I think I've heard you guys talking on like one of the last episodes about like the crazy reaction to like Miranda, But I'm like, that's what happens, guys. Thank you friends that make crazy decisions and right like them and they are the catalyst for your life, even like Charlotte, when I remember when Miranda first gets with Chay and you're the picnic and you're like, huh, so explain what is what is happening with you? But I think that's what

It's true, But can I tell you about that scene?

So Miranda, sorry Cynthia was directing that episode, which is so crazy to remember, right, so she's in it.

It's a big episode. She's also directing it. So when I.

Read that scene, I thought that Charlotte was being like kind of supportive but gently questioning, you know, like how she does sometimes like are you sure we get there? And Michael Patrick's like yell at her. I'm like what what We're down at Battery Park And He's like yell at her.

I'm like, hah okay, yell at her. I'm so scared.

She looks so.

Mad, like she looks so mad at me, you know, and you know we have lost all boundaries between our personal and professional selves, right. He's like, no, you gott to yell at her because this is shocking, and I'm like, you're You're right, I guess. I mean, I thought it was all very exciting, but that has more to do with me.

I guess right that she took this big leap. You know.

Obviously not everybody feels that way, and people are still have very strong.

Feelings about it, very strong strong, it's crazy.

But I also take that as a compliment, like we're thirty years later almost, and people have strong feelings.

How lou Yah people do feel I think it's got to be interesting for you almost, like and well, I'm sure we'll discuss it the later date. I'm sure I'll meet you at some point in this life.

Yeah, you got to come to the set, babe.

People feeling like they have ownership over you guys and what you do or like yeah, like even like in the fan reactions like even I'll admit the first is of it, and just like that, I was like, well, I'm like, wait, actually it's been twenty something years, Like they're going to be different people there's going to be to feel relationships change or like if I'm looking, I'm also people are often looking for I think people don't like change, and I think, yeah, all they have when

I know, I know, I feel bad, But the truth is if we were what we were in two thousand and three, nobody would want to see that exactly.

That would be sad, you know.

You know, yeah, No, we had to create something new, and we're just really lucky that we even get to do it in this crazy world that we're living in. You know what I'm saying, Like we were lucky in the beginning because in the beginning we were old.

You know.

That's what's also so funny when you rewatch, like we look like little, tiny children, but we were over thirty, which was like shocking, right that there'd be a show where a bunch of thirty somethings were like stomping around New York at high heels. People were like, what, like it like was mind blowing, but it's so funny.

How Like honestly, again, it is kind of universal because I've had when I go back and look at it and kind of like that's that episode triggered my memory of the rest of the seasons, Like I've had a lot of the things that happened to you happened to me, Like I've had my friends have kids now and I went in and I had I had a Chanel, a blood red Chanell boy bag and and then one of the little kids spilled yogurt on it. And I was like, no, like I've never wanted to like throat punch a four

And I also think, like Michael Patrick talked about, he really felt at the time that he came nineteen ninety seven, you know that being a gay man, like he he felt the other in the way that we single women at the time felt the other. But I still feel like it's not that different now in a lot of ways, I.

Think it's like it's a very similar energy you get, and I feel like it's the energy of just basically like straight men not understanding you and looking at the entire world through their purview and being like, oh, you don't want this. It's almos like straightmen, or like like Miranda Precy, like everybody wants to be us and we're like, no, we don't.

Totally. Yes, it is like that. I feel like that as a single woman.

Yes, yes, And people are like, but why why, And I'm like, oh my god, please stop asking me why.

I am like to this day, like when people ask the question like they think it's a compliment or like I'll get it online or from friends or when on a first date, how are you single? That's not Maybe I was sick, Maybe I was not prioritizing romantic love. Maybe I have standards, maybe I get maybe I get a fair amount of love from my friends of thirty years who maybe I want someone who's added to my life.

You're right, I like this take likely. I'm down with it. I'm going to write down that whole last thing you said. I'm going to refer back to it, okay when I get put on the spot.

All right, thank you, thank you for being with us, for having me. This has been You're amazing.

Yes, good travels out there, and we want to see you back here in La.

Yes, I'll be back in La soon, I think, I don't even know, sometime soon, two weeks.

I know your jet setter, babe. I love it.