Caught With Your Pants Down... (S1E3 "Bay of Married Pigs")

Bay of Married Pigs. It is a good one. So, as I told you guys before, I haven't rewatched these shows since they came out, right, So back when we were starting to film the series, we would wait eagerly, eagerly anticipate HBO giving us a VHS of the show before it aired, and we would run home from work and watch it and then discuss it at work the next day. And it was always super, super, super exciting.

So I really haven't seen it since then. So probably I haven't seen these since like ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight, long time. And in my mind I thought that the first season wasn't like firing on all cylinders. I guess, like, it's not that I thought it was bad. I just didn't think that we had formed ourselves yet in a way. But now when I look back at it, I'm really kind of impressed. And yes, it is kind of all over the place, but at the same time, it's way

better than I remember it being. And also all of the kind of initial thoughts that I had that we didn't really know, like who we were as a show, I think are not true. I think we did. And as Michael Patrick and I discussed, like he wrote this episode Bay of Married Pigs, and Nicole Holoftener directed it. She's an incredible director. And there's so much good stuff here, so many good themes, and so many interesting performances and interesting moments and things that I do vividly remember and

a lot that I don't remember. But I was super super enjoyed watching it, Like, like the parts that I don't remember, it's really interesting to rewatch. It's like I'm rewatching them for the first time and I've never seen them. So here we go, all right. We open with Carrie being in the Hamptons. The Hamptons, as you know, I'm sure, is a wonderful, wonderful place where you're just so excited. If you know someone who has a nice house in

the Hamptons, they invite you out. So this married couple that Carrie knows has invited her to go out to the Hampton's. Patience and Peter are their names, and she has to retell a sexual escapade at dinner, something I totally relate to. I do think that married people, especially if they've been married for a while, are expecting the singles in their lives to come with stories. I feel that this is still true. It's kind of some pressure sometimes,

you know. And I don't have a lot of personal stories myself at this point in life, and my good friends know this, of course, but sometimes I still feel that pressure, so that has not changed. Then this really weird thing happens where Carrie comes out of the bathroom in the morning and Peter is standing in the hallway without his pants on. Okay, it's I had totally forgotten

this whole storyline. So Patience is out getting juice and muffins and this dude is just standing there chatting with Carrie, which is so so strange and bizarre, and Carrie adorably handles it, you know, just really calmly. This is one of the things I'm struck by about Sir Jessica's performances Carrie,

especially in the beginning. You know, she's very present and very like kind of easy going and unjudgmental, like the sex tape, you know, where she's just like, oh, okay, my gosh, I need a cigarette, and now this dude's standing there naked and she's just like, okay, congratulations, which is,

you know, kind of bizarre, right. But I think also in some ways taken from the column, like when I watch it, I see a lot of more like the kind of bigger, broader, almost Samantha like element that Candace's kind of doppelganger that she created for the column was, and Sir Jessica somewhat pulled her in, you know, like when I originally read the script, I think I said, this Carrie smoked a lot and swore a lot, and Sir Jessica was like, no, that doesn't feel right for me.

I don't want to do that. And to me, that's part of why I think that Sir Jessica was such a great, incredible choice for Carrie is that she brings kind of a contradiction to what was on the page, and to me, that brings depth immediately. And then of course Sir Jessica brings her own intelligence and charm and wit and all those things that are so important for

that character. So she's very calm about it. And then she tells patients the wife about it, which is, you know, possibly a mistake, Like if it were me, I don't know. I don't know if I would have done that. I don't know if I would have told the wife, oh yeah, and then your husband will staying there without his pass. I think I might have just left that out, But then things would probably be pretty awkward with that couple. So maybe it was right to tell her. Not one

hundred percent sure, I'm curious what you guys think. So then Patients sends Carrie back to the city, which is so not fair because Carrie did nothing wrong and she told Patients about it, but they don't show that scene. And in my mind, it wasn't like she said, like, Carrie, I'm so mad at you. Get out. In my mind, it was more like, oh, you know, you have to get back to the city, and then Carrie would just be like yeah, and then she just sends her back

to the city. I don't think it was a big drama. That's how I perceived it, but who really knows. We didn't see it. So it's interesting because we do later see Patients and Peter at a party and Carrie just chats with them like she's not upset at all back to my easy going. She's very very easy going in the beginning, you know, so that's interesting. And then you know, I guess there's a question of maybe she shouldn't have said congratulations. But also she's standing there confronted with this

naked man. I don't know what should you say? I mean, what is the norm thing to say? I think it would be to leave and or uh run, maybe I don't know, these would be my instincts. But you know, Carrie is very calm, as we know, she's not judgmental, and she so she says congratulations, which is interesting and kind of you know, kind of somewhat like kind of like the sex tape thing of like she's in an awkward position, so she kind of tries to make the best of it. You know. That's that's what I see

when I watch it. So then she comes back to the city and she has brunch with us, the ladies, And I remember this scene really vividly because of the peppermel. So there's a waiter who has a peppermel, and we all have a fair amount to say about things like it's it's the first kind of real coffee shop scene in a way where it's like bu buh buh buh

buh buh buh buh buh bup. I always kind of see coffee shop scenes and the group scenes as like a musical number, and everyone has different notes that they're playing, and she was often like a like a kind of like a high note, like a like a flute. Not always, of course, depending on the subject matter, but you know, it's like a symphony is happening, and you kind of have to know your part, and you also have to

come in on time. So this was the thing I was talking to Michael Patrick about where we would really run these lines in the makeup trailer so that we were on it, we were smooth because they wanted us to talk fast and eat for real eat no no, you know outspit buckets whatever they're called. If we never did that, no, no, no, because you got to keep going.

These are long scenes. They're like three or four pages, right, which for an actor, that's a long scene, and you have to do it many, many times, so you have to get all of your matching correct for continuity, So like when did you lift the glass, When did you lift the four? When did you cut your food? When did you chew. You have to remember all these things and if you mess up, they'll come and they'll tell you, oh, no, no,

you chewed on this line, not this line. So you have to remember all that as well as being in the moment and being in the scene with the with the other actresses. Of course, So we're at this scene. It's long, and this pepper mill guy with the waiter has to show up right on time because we're kind of referring to the pepper mill as a kind of stand in for, you know, the fact that the naked man and Carrie says, congratulations. See I'm skirting around it

right now. I'm skirting around it, but you know what I'm saying. So it was hard timing this, this waiter guy. And I'm sure we tortured this poor actor. I'm sorry whoever you are, but it you know, he had to come in at the right time and be on the right side of whoever had to refer to the pepper mail and roll like I roll my eyes. I do a big ol' eye roll at some point. It's kind of entertaining. But that was one of the first coffee shop scenes of which we would film. I feel like

hundreds if not thousands. I mean that's how sometimes a coffee shop scene felt. You know. Eventually, what we did, we're actually in a real restaurant in that scene. Eventually, what we did was we built a coffee shop set at Silver cup Or Studio, and it's we heard it out kind of like I feel like. It was gray and khaki and wood and white, and as the years went it got more white and more white and more white. The table was white, we'd have white silks around us,

we had white balanced cars. We were just in like a bubble of reflecting, beautiful light. And we love that. But we were there for like eighteen hours for a coffee shop scene, so that was when we were really earning our paychecks. Not that we didn't love it, but it was like a skilled work challenge, you know, to do the coffee shops and to do them well. So this was, in my mind, the first real coffee shop scene.

So Carrie's retelling about the incident, and you know, then we have some jokes about the pepper mil and then Miranda says they became married and we became the enemy, which is one of the central themes of the pod. Not the podcast, but yes, the podcast, but the episode which is are single women really truly enemies too married women? And does this still exist? So this is a super

interesting topic to think about. And in terms of my own life, I would say I have a handful of really like thirty year friendships and some longer than that. And I don't think that I am the enemy. I'm pretty sure I'm Auntie Kristen because I'm still single, right, so, like to their kids, I'm Auntie Christen and I love that, and I know their husband so well and they're super

you know, confident in their relationship and everything. But I do feel that maybe with people that you don't know so well, single women are kind of outside of there's like a club, like the married people's club and then like the single people's club. And I do feel like that does still somewhat exist, and it's kind of sad to me. I wish it didn't exist, but I do think it's like very ingrained in society, and I do feel like there is this kind of expectation of coupledom.

And Miranda is also going through this in the episode in a really fascinating way. So she wants to become a partner at her law firm, and this is the beginning of a theme that we see through the years of Miranda's kind of goal oriented career, you know, choices and trajectory, which I love, and that she's really focused and so committed and obviously so brilliant and grated her job, and she's just trying to make partner because that, of

course is a huge, huge accomplishment for lawyer. And she feels and in this episode that she doesn't get invited to the dinners at the partner's house because she doesn't have a husband or a mate. So someone at her firm sets her up on a date at the softball game, and she goes to the softball game and it's a woman and she's like oh, and she goes over and she says to the guyline, I am not gay, and he goes, oh, oh, I'm so sorry. You know. And I remember this episode. I thought this episode was like

season three or something. I did not realize it was so early in the trajectory of the whole show. I remember this episode and I remember asking, I don't even know if I should tell the story, but I remember asking Cynthia, you know, how was it to kiss the woman and she was like eh, And I was like really, just eh. See, I hadn't been there, right, because you're never really there for the romantic storylines of the other characters,

you know. So I pictured it being a real kiss, and when I rewatched it, it's really not a real kiss. It's like a peck. It's like a peck you know, in the elevator that you could have with like a friend, you know what I'm saying. So I understand from that perspective, But also whatever, she wasn't attracted to that actress, no offense to that actress. But you know, I was like, Cynthia, are you sure you felt nothing? I mean, because yeah,

there's nothing wrong. Could feel something, It would be fine, It could be sexy. I don't know. She's like nah nothing. I was like, wow, okay, all right. So of course, you know, many years later we would discuss that. But it was a great storyline and such a telling storyline in terms of, you know, she's part of this law

firm in New York. Law firms are not really a progressive place generally, right, and so this other lawyer thinks like, oh, I'm progressively going to assume that she's gay because I've never seen her with a guy, which is what he says, which is super fascinating, Like what an assumption to make, Like maybe she's just private, right, But he doesn't really consider that. He thinks he's doing her a favor by setting her up with this lovely woman. So she takes

the lovely woman. Even though she tells the lovely woman right away that she's not gay, she does take her to the dinner and they do really enjoy having her, and she feels all sparkly that the partner's paying attention to her, and he walks herround, and she feels the need to, you know, confess to him that she's not, in fact gay, because I think he said something like, oh, you tet, you guys are so great or something like that, and she says, oh, you know, I just want to

tell you I'm not gay. You know, I felt the pressure to bring to bring a date, and I'm not really gay, and he goes, oh, my wife really wanted to add a lesbian couple to our friend group, which really, oh god, I really felt that also, like sometimes you do feel like you're like the token straight person that they invite, or like the token gay couple that they invite, you know, to a more traditional type of a dinner party or party or whatever. And I feel like these

things are still true. So I'm very interested to know if you guys think they're still true or write me in some questions or some thoughts, because I want to see them. But so, okay, here we are. I got off, I got off, I got onto the Miranda storyline. So here we are. We're at the table. We're discussing the topic single people became the enemy to married women. Now, Samantha says, married women are threatened because we can have sex anytime, anywhere with anyone, and they're afraid we're going

to have it anytime anywhere with their husbands. Now, maybe that's true, and I certainly feel at the party scene that's coming, when Samantha is there talking to a guy who's in the financial world and she's getting like investment advice and his wife comes in, it's like you have to come out here right now, you know, And Samantha's just like, ah, like on her face. I mean, I just feel that in my gut because it happens frequently to be where you're just standing there, you're just a

single woman standing there at a party. You're not doing anything, you're not thinking anything, you're not trying to hit on anybody. You're just standing there, right, But some guy's talking to you, and then his significant other feels like, no, no, no, that's a threat. And that's in some ways just so kind of unfair. But then I also feel like it's so human. That's my single woman commentary on that. Oh

then oh, we get to Charlotte. Charlotte doesn't believe it that the married women and the single women are enemies, but she hates when she gets the poor single look

at a party. Well, isn't that the case? I mean, I don't know if I personally get the poor single look anymore, because I think everybody knows I'm single, or they think maybe they don't know exactly if I'm single or not, who knows, But for sure there are times when you are invited somewhere and they do not want you to bring a plus one, so you can't bring a friend and you're just there by yourself, and it's kind of hard, and people look a little bit like, oh,

she's by herself, and it's hard. It cuts, it cuts deep, those kind of looks. So I feel that you know, and this we wrote this episode in nineteen ninety eight, So isn't that interesting still something that definitely holds up. So then the question is is there a secret cold war between marrieds and singles? I mean, I hope at this point that there is not a cold war. Let's hope that we've come further than that. But I do feel that traditionally there is like a demarcation line, which

is so unfortunate when people get married. I think it's less now. I'm not sure, but I feel like everyone is just human and doing the best that they can do, and you know, we should just have empathy for everybody. That's how I feel about it. But I definitely do feel that there is the pressure on probably everyone, but definitely on women, that you are supposed to find a significant other and or get married or whatever, and that if you do not, the people wonder what is wrong

with you. I certainly have experienced this in my life. People are just like why, and you know, why should I have to explain to everybody why. It's hard to explain. I don't know why. For goodness sakes, If I knew why, I could just go out and fix it. I guess, but I mean, it was never my goal really to get married, as I said many times, And I have my kids and I'm super focused on them, and it is what it is, and everyone has their own journey. That's what I think. Okay, I have diverted into my

own life. I am going to come back to the episode. Oh then we get Stamford, which is always so exciting, and I love this scene on the street so so incredibly much so. This is at a time when gay marriage was not legal. It was not legal until twenty

eleven in New York City. So Carrie and Stanford are walking down the street and they're talking about how gay people are running off to Hawaii to get married, to have commitment ceremonies right, and that they're wearing leis and everything, and Stamford says, I miss the old days when everyone was alone, which is so adorable. And then they run into this character called Luke and his boyfriend Joe, and Carrie says, well, I haven't seen you since and he

says since I was straight, and they laugh. It's like really entertaining, and then they think they want to They're like, oh, we have an idea. And my thought was oh, they want to set her up with someone, and then they ask her for an egg for their baby, which is just like wow, ahead of the times, Jeream's saying, and she's like huh what and stiff, They're just like what what on earth? I mean, it was a lot, but let me tell you this was happening. I've been asked

many a time. Okay I have never said yes, but back in my thirties I was asked a few different times, which is a very flattering thing to be asked, but also like a big leap. Okay, it's a big leap. So anyway, then we got to Samantha, sorry, Miranda's at the softball game, and we already discussed that it's super adorable. They're in Central Park at the ball fields. Anyone who's

been to Central Park has seen them. It's great. It's a great visual and such a New York thing to be playing softball baseball on the weekends in Central Park. So then you know, she talks. She tells to Chip she's not married, I mean, sorry, she's not gay. And then Carrie has a thought. Married people don't hate singles. They just want us figured out. This is so true. This is Carrie coming with a very very true thought.

I think still like they want to understand and they want to figure you out, and I do think they want to quote solve it, meaning they want to get you married somehow. I've certainly experienced this in life where people want to set me up. The married people want to set me up. They have a friend, blah blah blahh there's a lot of pressure. So then then Carrie has lunch with her favorite married couple and they are amazing. They are super interesting and funny and they're like the

best married couple. They're giving jokes to each other. Blah blah's very really funny. Then this friend shows up, so it was like a secret setup, which is not cool. My feeling is you need to tell people if you're intending to try to set them up, so that they have some inkling of what is going on and can prepare their mental state for it. Right. So this guy Sean comes, so he's like super interesting, and I do

think he exists. I've had people tell me they don't think that this kind of guy who wants to get married exists. I one hundred percent do think that they exist. I have definitely come across them in my day and life in the past. I think it's always a little bit you're never quite sure if they're saying what they think you want to hear, or if they truly want it.

Like one time, I was dating someone who could possibly be listening right now, and I went to the bathroom or something in his apartment and I came back and on his laptop he was on a app where it does like a baby. It takes a picture of you and him and makes a baby okay, And I was like, what on earth, Oh my god, what are you doing? And he was like, wouldn't our baby be cute? And I was like, oh my god, this is so surreal. So at the time he was in his twenties okay,

and I was just like, does he really meanness? Like this is bizarre. So it really wasn't sure, and we dated off and on for a couple of years. He's a great guy, and then I'm not quite sure what happened, but I guess we're broken up. And I feel like I was working or something and I was gone and I came back and he had a girlfriend. I ran into them in Whole Foods and she was pregnant, you guys, and I didn't know it. I ran into them and Whole Foods. I was like, what he really meant it?

So they got married, they have two children. Unfortunately didn't work out. But I do think he really like when he did this this app that combined our pictures as a baby picture, he really had the male version of like, you know, wanting that baby. You know what I'm saying, Like people have a time in their lives. I think not everyone, of course, but some people have a time in their lives where that's just on their mind. I think it's like a you know, genetics kicking in or

whatever to procreate. And he was having the male version of that, and it was real. It was real. Now, this guy in the show, he has a bit of a different way that he goes about it. He's got this you know, classic six is a classic five or classic six. I think it's a classic six apartment, which is right Charlotte's ally. Of course, she ends up with one, as you all know, but she doesn't have it yet.

And he has a party. He invites Carrie. Carrie invites us because she's like, what am I doing here with all these married people? And he shows us around, shows us the room that will be the child's room, and then pulls out a baby mobile, and Carrie is like, way turned off, and I'm just like, Charlotte, not me, whatever me, Charlotte. I'm like, you know he's gonna ask you to marry him, which you know she's not wrong.

He's got a tract right. His track in his head is like, oh, I'm looking for a wife, and Carrie's a fantastic woman, and I want to marry her and have a baby. And where a baby's gonna live? In this room with this mobile over his bed? You know, he's got his vision. So Carrie, of course is like, I don't think that's me. Because Carrie's trying to figure out who she is, which I really respect. And then she's like, hey, Charlotte, you know maybe that guy is

for you because this is what you want, right. So then Charlotte goes out with him, which I think it's totally fine. Like if you have dated someone and you know they're not for you and you think maybe your friend would like them, I think that's very very mature, very mature. And Carrie's part, and on Charlotte's part to be like yeah, I do feel like this might work

for me, so I'm gonna give it a try. So Charlotte gives it a try kind of towards the end of the episode, which is like a little often our timing, which is interesting. And then hysterically they go shopping and look at china patterns and she does not like his choice, so she's like no, which I also think is so her and so really really hysterical, like everyone's like, Charlotte

just wants to get married. No, not really, because if you just like slightly the wrong china pattern, then she's like, out, not you, which I think is hysterical. Okay, and she says something like he's American classic and I'm Country French. I think is that what she says? And then if you remember, later we're going to go china shopping with Trey, which was one of my all time favorite scenes. We were in Burgdorfs all day long flipping plates over with

a crane. We took a crane into Burgdorfs. I had to flip this plate so that you could see both the pattern and the name of who made it, like maybe thirty six times that director Charles McDougall, incredible director, maybe flip that plate like thirty times. It was really

fun though. But so the china pattern is initially introduced in Bay of Married Pigs and carries through Charlotte's life like we still when we're filming, and just like that, Charlotte still has her beautiful china displayed in her big hutch in her dining room and we get it out for special occasions you're going to see it in and just like that, so the china is very important to Charlotte. Oh oh oh, I totally forgot this whole storyline Charlotte

takes a drunken Samantha home. You guys, Michael Patrick and

I talked this about this a little bit. Obviously, really doesn't go that great when Charlotte takes a drunken Samantha home, and it's not the first story of the last time that it's gonna happen, and it's kind of in me adorable because it is Charlotte's caretaking side, and it is like, like, Kim is so funny in these scenes and so amazing when she decides that she would like to have sex with my very adorable irish doorman, who I'm just like,

why didn't we bring that guy back. He is incredible, what a great actor, like so good and as Michael said, that was Nicole Holofsner's like superpower was casting and getting just incredible performances out of guys in particular, but out of everyone really, And so this guy is just great and he's got this brogue that is just dreamy. So Samantha goes out in her fur code and her very fancy underwear, and Michael talks a little bit about how it doesn't actually make sense that she was wearing that

underwear under that outfit. But this is one of the times when Pat was like, I don't care she's wearing it, and Pat is one hundred percent right. It's incredible. When she goes out on Central Park West and drops her coat, it's beyond So Samantha goes out there, propositions the adorable Irish doorman, apparently brings him up and has sex with him on my couch in Charlotte's apartment, which, look, this

is the first time we've even seen a hallway. I didn't even know Charlotte had a hallway at this point. I only remember the two flats that were the corner of her bedroom, plus that bed and there's a pink lamp. I think it's here that I still have in my house today. That that was like, Charlotte had like very few things in the beginning. But I go out into the hallway and I have a bookcase, which was great.

And then I run into the adorable Irish doorman naked in my hallway, and Charlotte is just so oh, like, uh, you know, oh, should I make this crazy face at him? And I'm like, oh gosh, because he talks about how he just wants to feel the touch of a woman I believe something. It's just so adorable, but I'm Charlotte's not very sympathetic, which is kind of sad, but you know, she likes rules and this is breaking the rules for sure. So then he opens to the bathroom door for her,

which is funny and pretty pretty strange. Like if my doorman suddenly was showing up in my apartment naked, I would be shocked. That's true. I would definitely be shocked. So then we go back to Carrie. Carrie's breaking up with a marrying guy. Then Charlotte dates him, which is pretty funny, and then oh, the end, the end is so beautiful. So the end is when we film the scene that Michael Patrick and I talked about, which we

have filmed over the years. I tell you so many times, and I always love to film it, like we just filmed a version of this for just like that, and it was just a beautiful summer night and we're in a restaurant and Carrie comes to join us after something major's happened and we embrace her, and I just every time we film it, I'm like my heart is full with happiness, and this particular time, I think is the

first time we film it. So the nice thing is that we are we it's the end of the episode that different things have happened to everybody, and it shows Kerrie kind of walking down the street and you hear her thoughts, of course, and then she kind of skips towards us in the really adorable way that Sarah Jessica does, and Charlotte Smith and Miranda are waiting at the entrance

of the movies and also Trivia. In the back ground, you can see a poster for Godzilla, which is a movie that Michael started Matthews in Sarah's Husband, and that was the movie that I feel like he might have been filming when I started. No, no, no, no, he's filming Inspector Gadget when I saw her maybe or maybe Godzilla, I'm not sure, but anyway, her husband, Matthew Broderick, you know, was in this movie, which is kind of funny that we put that there. I mean, maybe it was there

and we didn't move it. I have no idea, but she kind of runs to us and then they pan up and there's this fake full moon that is so cheesy and bad, but I know what we were going for and it's adorable. But back then we just didn't have a big budget, right, so like our effects and everything, you know, much less grand than they are now. But it's really sweet and it's so kind of cute. And I also just want to give a little word to

the fashion in the show. So it's definitely starting to see Pat's influence in terms of definitely Samantha, not so much me. Like I'm wearing this floor length coat, which I do think I still have at home in my closet, and I'm wearing like a turtleneck. Oh, I remember this is when one of my favorite cast pictures was taken by our ooh, maybe it wasn't our amazing sephotographer Quig Blanket Horn, who we still have. It might have been

someone else. But we're on the street. We're wearing the outfits where I've got the turtleneck on in the coat. We're wearing kind of casual outfits in terms of how you think of us at the heyday, you know, the

heyday of Sex and the City. But we're standing on i want to say, sixth Avenue in the village and there's a lot of blurred out city lights behind us, and we're kind of looking off to the side and I just remember being one of those grabbed shots were like everybody pose, you know, look over there, and it's

just a great, great picture. Where Like we're kind of starting to gel like in our how we are together, that the vibe is us together and out in the world, you know, out in the city, and we're not really dressed up because we haven't really gotten in the groove of the fashion yet. But we're getting there, right, So, Like, definitely Samantha carries definitely Seapets influence. I don't feel like you see it so much with me yet. That's coming.

It's a work in progress, I would say, but it's it's all interesting in terms of, like, you know, what you think of. I think what people tend to tell me they think of with the show and the fashion is shoes and designer names and whatnot. That really wasn't the case in the beginning, and it really wasn't the case for any other television show. So it was something where Sarah Jessica already had these relationships with Calvin Klein.

She wore come clin to the Oscars like many years before, you know, and she had developed these relationships and was very much an it girl in New York. They didn't have the kind of cachet that they have now in a certain way like they had it in New York, but not everyone knew about it because we didn't have social media, right, But Sar Jessica was very much that, and she had those relationships, and I remember that. I

remember thinking, I need to do what she does. I need to try to make these relationships with designers that fit me that I like that our Charlotte ESQ, so that I can ask them to borrow clothes for the show. So all of us were I think in my mind all of us were trying to do that and Pat Field was also so kind of trying to develop the look of the show and at the same time develop their relationships with the pr offices of all of the designers so that we could borrow things because we couldn't

afford all of those clothes and shoes and everything. We still can't, really, but you know, no budget of any television show is probably going to be able to afford that. But we were able to do it because we developed their relationships to borrow and I only see the beginnings of that now when I'm looking back at the first season, because Sarah Jessica already had those relationships and all of the rest of us are working on it basically. So

that's something that I want to follow up on. I can't wait to talk to Mollie Rogers, who's still our costume designer on and just like that, and she was Pat's assistant from day one, So I can't wait to talk to Molly about it. And maybe we'll have a whole episode about the clothes. That'd be fun. All right, Bay, have Mary Pigs tell me what you guys think. See you later next time. Bye.