In the Season 2 finale of Apocalyptic Education , Kenjus and Tiffani chop it up with Wendy and Larry White, Simple Ant, and Cassandra Edwards to explore what it means to parent Black children at the end of the world. Framed as a return, both to family and to the original question that closed Season 1, this episode asks: Schools…take them or leave them? This time, instead of young people, it is the parents who respond. What unfolds is a layered reflection on the afterlife of school, the grief of ...
May 14, 2025•2 hr 6 min•Season 2Ep. 9
Potential Activation Warning- The following episode description contains references to suicide. Please take care while reading. We include helpful resources after the description In this continuation of The Legacy of Little Nate , Kenjus and Tiffani sit with Cassandra Edwards and Canada Taylor Parker once again for the conclusion of their unflinching conversation about death, grief, and the slow, grinding violence that Black people endure long before their final breath. Canada and Cassandra move...
Apr 30, 2025•1 hr 28 min•Season 2Ep. 8
Potential Activation Warning- The following episode description contains references to suicide. Please take care while reading. We include helpful resources after the description In this initial installment of a special 2 part episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with Cassandra Edwards and Canada Taylor Parker to explore potent intersections between grief, mothering, activism, and the weight of trying to sustain life within an relentlessly anti-black world. As mothers, organizers, health pract...
Apr 16, 2025•52 min•Season 2Ep. 7
In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with Dr. Amber McZeal—scholar, artist, and sacred activist—to explore the expansive terrain of decolonizing the psyche, ancestral memory, and the spiritual labor of refusing coloniality. From their first encounters with Amber’s transformative work to the unexpected synchronicities that led to this moment, the conversation unfolds as a meditation on relationality, refusal, and reverence. Amber traces her path from Lafayette, Louisiana, to the liberat...
Apr 02, 2025•1 hr 14 min•Season 2Ep. 6
In this episode, Kenjus and Tiffani reflect on their journey co-writing the Apocalyptic Education paper in 2020, tracing their paths through grief, academia, and spiritual grounding. They revisit the origins of their collaboration, peeling back the layers of their initial skepticism, the tensions of intellectual competition, and the deep ancestral calling that ultimately brought them together. The conversation weaves through personal and communal grief, from Tiffani’s reflections on her Uncle Lo...
Mar 19, 2025•1 hr 21 min•Season 2Ep. 5
In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with their mothers, Sheryll and Terry, who turn the tables to interview their children on the green couch. This special episode explores the impact of their wisdom on Tiffani and Kenjus' journeys as educators. Through critical questioning and listening, Sheryll and Terry elicit from their children a deep exploration of teaching as a calling, with Tiffani and Kenjus recounting early experiences that signaled their future roles. They reflect on the po...
Mar 05, 2025•1 hr 10 min•Season 2Ep. 4
In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with Kiazi Malonga, student/teacher of Congolese drumming and culture bearer. Kiazi walks us through the spiritual and communal powers of the Ngoma drum, as vessels of cultural preservation and healing. He shares his journey from the Bay Area, particularly East Palo Alto, to stages around the world. We explore the impact of his father’s legacy, the late Malonga Casquelourd, the craftsmanship of Congolese drums, the sacred art of drum-making, and how...
Feb 19, 2025•57 min•Season 2Ep. 3
In this episode, Kenjus and Tiffani chop it up with Moses Omolade, an educator, spiritual practitioner, and advocate for wellness, to explore the intersections of body, spirit, and community. They dive into Moses’ journey from discovering Pilates as a spiritual practice to using hunger strikes as a radical tool of refusal against systems invested in our undoing. The conversation unpacks how the body holds memory, the power of spiritual detox as preparation for resistance, and the profound lesson...
Feb 05, 2025•1 hr 46 min•Season 2Ep. 2
In the Season 2 premiere, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up about freedom, captivity, and Blackness through the lens of two stories about parrots that shift their understanding of autonomy, consent, and belonging. They unpack the layers of maroon science and how it illuminates African Indigenous paths of intergenerational love, navigation, and self-determination. The hosts reflect on rites of passage and other ceremonies, discussing how these sacred practices guide transitions and hold the potential...
Jan 22, 2025•1 hr 10 min•Season 2Ep. 1
In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up among themselves for their Season 1 recap. They explore the balance of calm amid chaos in their attempts to achieve homeostasis during the apocalypse. They discuss rites of passage, initiation, and ceremony as essential components of this balance. Tiffani and Kenjus also discuss the art of letting go of control. A vignette about a puppet show gone awry shows that the best moments often happen when we stop trying to control everything. The hosts use ...
Apr 25, 2024•1 hr 4 min•Season 1Ep. 8
In Part 2 of The Kids Are Alright episode, we chop it up with about five of Tiffani's former students, spanning her last 20 years of teaching. The group includes a "cool and collective" entrepreneur planning to finish college soon, a program director deeply involved in community work and motivational speaking, a young college student contemplating joining the Armed Forces, a revolutionary artist and event organizer, and a charismatic young person who emphasizes their intellect and the importance...
Apr 11, 2024•1 hr 26 min•Season 1Ep. 7
In this episode, we chop it up with about five of Tiffani's former students, spanning her last 20 years of teaching. The group includes a "cool and collective" entrepreneur planning to finish college soon, a program director deeply involved in community work and motivational speaking, a young college student contemplating joining the Armed Forces, a revolutionary artist and event organizer, and a charismatic young person who emphasizes their intellect and the importance of being "lit". As the co...
Mar 28, 2024•1 hr 20 min•Season 1Ep. 6
In this episode, we chop it up with Tinisch Hollins, a Black San Franciscan activist and critical advocate for the rights of crime survivors, and Apryl Joe, a citizen of the Navajo Nation dedicated to the reclamation of her people's sovereignty. Together, they discuss reparations & Indigenous reclamation, while illuminating the interconnected historical and ongoing fight against settler colonial violence faced by Black and Native communities. Through their conversation, they explore themes o...
Mar 15, 2024•1 hr 5 min•Season 1Ep. 5
In this episode, we chop it up with the revolutionary preacha and community leader, Pastor Michael McBride. He shares his unique experiences of the deep impacts of systemic violence, including his personal encounters with police brutality. The discussion delves into the intricate relationship between grief and activism, particularly through Pastor Mike's involvement with 'Live Free', a movement addressing mass incarceration, voter suppression, police violence, and other systemic violences. He re...
Feb 28, 2024•1 hr 34 min•Season 1Ep. 4
In this episode, we chop it up with Drs. Allyson Tintiangco-Cubales and Christine Vega, both mothers and critical professors. We explore Coyolxauhqui and dismemberment, and its relationship to birthing trauma, particularly in the high-pressure pursuit of tenure in academia. Allyson opens up about her personal journey through infertility, sharing the profound lessons learned and emphasizing the significance of rest in birthing endless possibilities. Christine adds her insights on the empowering r...
Feb 15, 2024•1 hr 24 min•Season 1Ep. 3
In this episode, we chop it up with Kiki Jordan, a renowned midwife based in California. Kiki lends her expertise to our discussion on the radical aspects of home birthing, set against the formidable backdrop of the medical-industrial complex. We explore how Black Autonomous Birthing Communities (BABCs) provide valuable insights for rethinking our transition from schooling to holistic education. Kiki shares wisdom from her birthing experiences and her attempts to launch a community-grounded Well...
Jan 31, 2024•1 hr 15 min•Season 1Ep. 2
Apocalyptic Education is a transformative journey, presented by Tiffani Marie and Kenjus Watson, two critical Black educators. This audiobook invites listeners to participate in a funeral for schooling, marking the end of a violent regime and the beginning of remembered futures. Through their personal narratives and research, Marie and Watson explore the deep-rooted traumas inflicted by American schooling systems on Black folk. Watson's exploration of the psychological impacts on young Black men...
Jan 17, 2024•1 hr 7 min•Season 1Ep. 1
