032 - w/ Pisco - Why Harris lost - feat. Bryan Tyler Cohen

Boom. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Welcome everybody. What a What a time to be alive, right? the hell just happened? You might want to speak into your microphone. Why am I fucking turning it to Steven? What the hell just happened, Dan? I don't know. Well I can tell you what happened. It's uh The fucking country has been pushing the most extremist issues that very few people gave a shit about and it uh caused most Democrats to be Fall out of line.

The Democratic Party cared less about fucking unions and wages and the cost of your house and the cost of foods and they cared more about fucking Shit that I would expect coming out of a liberal arts college. Mm-hmm. That was it. That's the end. How do you feel about that, Stephen, given the fact that there's at least been some you can call them insufficient overtures by the Biden administration with things like

Certain legislation that they're passing with their investments in manufacturing. You have seen some metrics, but the American people weren't buying what Biden. Uh but it it seemed like there was an effort on on some of these issues. I no I shouldn't say feel strongly about it. Maybe polling data will come out that changes my mind. But um I think that It might just be really boring, the answer. It might just be

In twenty uh in twenty twenty, COVID was like fucking the country up really hard. We felt really strongly about that. So we just voted in the other party. Which is Biden, and then in twenty twenty four, people were still mad, cumulative year over year inflation. Prices go up, people get mad, they vote for the other guy. I feel like it might literally just be that, like as simple as that. Are we underestimating Trump? I mean, every single one of these elections twenty sixteen, twenty

twenty twenty four, they were all nail biters. And this one is a convincing victory. I'm I'm I don't want to overstate it, right? It's still, you know, probably gonna be for the popular vote between one and two advantage for for Trump, but it's a convincing victory. And it wasn't like twenty twenty was like some out and about like you know about win for Joe Biden. Aren't we underestimating Trump? He he's captured something.

He's the difference you know, in twenty twenty two, people were feeling worse kind of cost of living crisis than they are right now, in terms of the objective measurement. But when Trump's on the ballot, something I don't know what you're getting at. He's captured something. I mean, I think it's a good thing. have sort of underestimated. I don't think you can underestimate it, it's just how do you combat it?

I don't know what you're getting at. If you're getting at there's some secret genius like way to appeal to the common voter, because I I would agree with you, but the the secret is like shameless ability to lie with impunity, to never live in a fact-based world, and then to take zero accountability for any issues you cause and to take credit for every single thing anybody does, even if it's not. Is that an indictment of the electorate? Yeah, of course. But I mean like the electorate is

The electorate. They're who vote for you. So at the end of the day, you have to be able to appeal to them in order to win elections. So yeah. Oof. Well, I think there's gonna be a lot of soul searching in the Democratic elite, but shouldn't we I I mean I I I for one think that there should be serious conversations about leadership. I mean if the Democratic Party are going to pretend to be this, you know, all about democracy people

the the individuals who are trying to be a bulwark against some fascists and they're failing at their job, don't we need to see some heads roll and and some people be fired. Some people will That'd be nice. I'm sure none of that will will probably happen. It'll just be more business as usual. It's like

It sounds stupid, but this is the fucking party that's just allergic to um putting people up for election that are even remotely uh electable. Like I swear they would they would choose like it it feels I don't know, just so so stupid. I I said this when they um when Joe Biden said he was gonna stop and I was like I think here's my my list of people I think you should do. Okay?

And Kamala was not in that list and people are losing their shit about it. And I sin by that I think that that was the wrong decision to just fucking thrust Kamala because I think she was not the best for it. But I mean, the fuck do I know? Literally fucking nothing. I just I don't know. I

I know that from what I saw from the results, fucking women didn't like Kamala quite a bit as a result of all this coming out. Uh and that's not good. I don't know. There's deep seated fucking bias in this country again. A lot of shit and um Democrats just wanna put their fucking head in the sand of it and not change at all.

I think Joe Biden needs to take some some of the blame himself as as well. No, I don't think so. I I think he was spin an exceptional president but how much soul searching do you think the Republicans did after twenty twenty? Zero.

Zero. Exactly. So no, what do you mean? It's not a soul searching question. But it's not a question of should we I j I'm trying to just be objective about what No, you're not. You're trying to super hardcore both sides of it. You really have to do that. You're wicking out. Yeah, hardcore, one hundred percent. You don't feel angry at Joe Biden for anything.

Don't you think there's there's some hubris there? The decision to run for re-election? I mean he what do you mean? The decision to run for re-election? How could you not?

Also careful not to hindsight this so hard. Because like let's say that he says I don't want to run for re election and then we get a different person then they lose. Who was that? Would Pisco be sitting here saying, Don't you think there was a lot of idiocy in him not even trying to run for re election as an incumbent? Like when was the last time that happened? Lyndon Johnson or something? Yes but he had let's look at the fact

Historic disapproval ratings. Who? Joe Biden. Every every president has had historic disapproval ratings. Did Trump ever get above like forty five percent? Everybody has low approval. Nobody everything is so he did what? He did have approval ratings. What was Trump's highest approval rating? It was like forty five, forty.

I just said they never have about forty five and you just said it was forty five, forty six. So every president is like unpopular. Like we have like a huge partisan divide right now. Um I don't know I don't think Trump ever crossed the fifty percent threshold. So you disagree that Biden was historically

Um historically he might have been historically unpopular, but I think that's a result of the right being a cult in that if we have a democratic president who's slightly unpopular with the Democrats.

The bl if like let's say that I have um let's say that I have a president who's ninety percent popular, then next year I have a president that's eighty percent popular with the Democrats. That eighty percent popular president is gonna have historic disapproval because the Republicans are always gonna be like sub

Because to them it's anybody is like not acceptable. So yeah, there was historically low disapproval, but look at the Republican approval for democratic presidents. It's unbelievably low. It's like they're so yeah, of course, any time it sinks even a little bit with Democrats. But then also like again, look at what he came into. Holy fuck. How many Republicans have you debated?

I I don't know if you asked this question. I asked them. What do you think costs inflation? They don't even bring up COVID. It's like not even a thing they think about. Like they like they've memory hold it completely. You're not gonna hear me fighting back.

I think Biden has done an exceptional job as president. I don't don't think he's getting the credit he deserves, and I think that that's a shame. He I don't think he deserves any of the fault for the And I think that he has put us on the path towards a great recovery. And I do agree with your your doomer prediction that

Trump is probably gonna take credit for a lot of the good things that that he's done. There's one path forward that needs to happen. It won't happen because it's not electorally popular, and it makes me sound like a sociopath. But um I think that uh I think that Democrats that are benefiting from democratic policies or from democratic successes need to start cutting off Republicans from those benefits.

So if you live in a major city, um there needs to be less funding going out to rural areas. If you live in a blue state, you need to fight the federal government when it comes to transferring funds from state to state. Like if you're in a red area and your economic productivity is low, you should suffer for it.

Or if you're in an area and you're voting against like certain types of entitlement programs, if you're voting against FEMA, then your vote should be contingent on whether or not you have access to it or not. So that when they actually make bad decisions, they suffer for it. Because right now Republicans are throwing anchors off the back of the vote and you've got like a a a fucking uh you've got a rowing team of Democrats on test.

Okay, that are like trying to pull the ship forward and and the Republicans are acting like their anchors are helping. And they they can delude themselves into thinking it because every single time like this conversation is so fucking cucked. We have to do some soul search. What do Republicans do after twenty twenty? They lied about the results of the election. They broke into the fucking capital.

And they they still don't accept the results of that election. What happened this election? They s they said that this election was rare. You sat here and watched me when Trump himself tweeted out. Philadelphia has crime going on. So no, fuck the Soulsier. There needs to be there needs to be this is very easy as a as a as a parent. There needs to be consequence.

So if you're voting against certain things, then you should lose access to'em. I think it should be as simple as that. And then I think that's the quickest way to start connecting people's minds to the results of what they're voting for because there's too much

of Democrats having to turn the other cheek while still carrying the the lesser productive members of society behind us. It's insane. It's unbelievable. Yeah this is this is something I saw before. I I don't think it's Louisiana, but I think it may be Alabama uh is that these States receive so much money in funding for shit like schooling and they have like the worst like i i like the the meme is you look at Mississippi or Alabama and it's like last on like everything. It's like last on test.

Number one on like obesity. Number one on All sorts of fucked up shit and last on all sorts of good shit you would want. And then they're receiving the most subsidies, and then they're also the ones that are like fucking bitching and moaning the most. Yeah, but look at this list. These are all small states. All of these states that are fucking dark purple, right?

Like California, net neutral. Mosa top right, pink here. Like dark purple. This is a Republican state. Republican. Republican. What is this? Kentucky, Republican. Like these motherfuckers, these these motherfuckers can't read. Like what the fuck, bro? And you notice that the states that arm almost like Um like Texas. It's like half and half, so it's kinda like a little bit better. It's th this is also that's when you say a little bit better, where do you think the money's coming from in Texas?

Yeah, like that that definitely doesn't exist in Louisiana. Like in Louisiana, what do you have? You have New Orleans and uh Oh fuck me. It's the one north of it. Anyways, there's another one as well. But yeah. Like this fucked. This is fucked. So I'm hearing two things. I'm hearing frustration uh from Dan on the democratic politician. And I'm hearing frustration from about the other thing.

I mean this is our country. This is our you know electricity. I th I thought about it, you know, this is gonna be really fucked up to say. I went through the project twenty twenty five thing last night'cause I didn't know like after before I couldn't sleep for a few hours after this and I went home and I w really went through Project twenty twenty five and I realized that the first one is a very important thing

That really sucks for a lot of other people, but I really that's none of that is gonna really affect me specifically. You know, like I wasn't fighting for myself on a lot of this shit. If realistically speaking, Trump is way fucking better. At least he claims to be way fucking better for the Jewish people in the short term, I guess.

Maybe. Uh I mean I still have my doubts on that. I think that letting Israel go full on hinge is bad. But when you pull up Project Twenty Five, the remember they have the list of the shit. Like let's go through this Project Twenty Twenty Five list. Like the stuff I care about, um Fuck me. Is it a thirty part list or something? Uh thirty thirty things? Steps? Steps.

You must know what I'm talking about. It's a list of this shit. Um I know the t the PDF that they published. Fuck, I'm not gonna be able to find it now. But basically it's a actually let me just pull up DGG. I'm sure someone has it. Uh But basically it was a list of all the shit and most of it was related to abortion. Most of it was related to um

You know, I mean I didn't like the part about putting Trump's people in power. I think that's kind of a bad idea. But a lot of it is related to abortion, a lot of it is related to gay people, a lot of it is related to trans shit. I don't know. That thing? Or he might just million the whole thing. I mean gutting the FDA, gutting the E P uh Department of Education.

I mean I don't I don't like those things. But it but as far as like specific things, it was like a bullet uh bullet point list. Like uh no more this. You look fill Trump's offices with that right? Like um I was reading this thing and um it was just fucking why why this no, that's not it either. I don't know

I've been getting fucked with No, this is it. This is what I was looking for. Okay, finally, thank you. All right. I looked at this and let's just go through it. Let's talk about how much this actually affects I mean average person.

Okay. If we want to find it in the thing we can, I never trust lists like this because I never know how much is like out of context and I just haven't seen it. You want to go through the main thing? Well I'm just saying if you want it to be good because I never try because when ready people make lists like this it always end up being fucking crazy. That might it might be a good list, I just don't know. I haven't checked it and I always get hesitant to um

Fuck. But if you want you can pick one thing and and we can look through it, but Okay. Well how about if we say it's not the full thing and there is other stuff and it's out of context? S uh sure if you want to. Yeah. Yeah, obviously there's like nine hundred pages or some shit, isn't it? Look, here's what it says uh backdoor ban on abortion. Realistically speaking, doesn't affect me. Uh I'm not aware. A lot of states are winning on their

Yeah. I mean like uh but were there, did they? There were I think seven one of ten. Florida failed, but it had a majority support. Okay. Nebraska the um I think they have the twelve. Um so That sucks. Pack the Supreme Court with MAGA extremists. I mean whatever. Huh? If any kind of Well, I don't know, do you care about Progressive legislation, agenda that's not a good idea.

None of these things directly like on day one it would be. No, not in in on day year three, day one. I think I'll be living the exact same life as I am right now. I think that stress fucks o over a lot of other people. And also I'm kind of I'm skeptical of some of the stuff in here. So things like ripping immigrant children away from the arms of their mother.

So Trump has said a million times he wants to deport all Muslims, he wants to deport all illegals, but I think that there's no chance he even remotely does it. And here's why. It's simple. Like that's a fucking massive network effect. You deport one fucking illegal and they had like

ten people here that they knew that were illegal, all of a sudden you now have ten people that are very upset with Trump that are absolutely voting against this guy or whoever this party was next. Yeah, they're telling us they're gonna do it. They have their comms people right now. I'm not just like the wall. Right? Well if they're illegal they can't vote anyway. Well no, the the illegal people that they get rid of. Mm-hmm. Right?

The network effect there is like if I deport fucking Oh, you you think their friends are gonna vote differently? How many of their friends were voting Republican anyway though? Apparently a fucking lot, right? Didn't we see some of the r the heavily Hispanic counties like voting all Trump? How would that change if it's like fucking my friend Jose just got fucking booted out of here for nothing? He's been here for ten years.

Uh okay, I could be over expanding or over um projecting, uh maybe from my own family, but I think there might be a mentality of immigrants that like once they get here and they've made it there's a very big kick the ladder thing where they're like, Yeah, fuck I should have came here legally. You don't you don't

Really? You don't think they're gonna have like friends or their moms or their something like that that's like I can't believe they did that? I would hope so. But maybe not. Maybe you're right. Maybe they literally won't care. It'll be a massive expensive. Yeah, then I I read something like a hundred K per expedition extradition. It it'll be a a shit ton of money to find these people, locate them. That's okay.

Republicans love spending, so how is that g uh even gonna fucking benefit it? Isn't it gonna like fuck shit up if they do that? Like who's gonna be working on the fucking tomato fields? Remember you have to shift your when you keep saying who's it gonna benefit, people think that um who's gonna benefit, it will benefit the Trump people.

But you're thinking benefit in terms of like economics or whatever, um, these people will suffer economically to further ideologically what their um what their goals are, I think. Well the issue well it's it's it's on the libs, but it's also the the issue is they've got themselves like in a perfect mind state right now where even if they were suffering economically, it's not because of what they're doing, it's because of um it's somehow still the fault of the democracy.

Mm. Like, um, for instance, so I tweeted out jokingly, um that uh oh maybe the Republicans will admit that at least there's not like a crazy deep state rigging everything because we got crushed in this election and they all said, No, that just proves that twenty twenty was rigged even harder. So if we would have won, it's definitely rigged.

But since we didn't win, it was definitely rigged and it's like y there's nothing. So even if they started deporting a whole bunch of people and then costs and prices started going up, they would just find somebody else to blame. It's never ever ever your fault. It's never your fault ever. So don't you have any like fire in your heart for the Cucked Democrats for running I mean let's be frank. Kamala Harris, I admire who that who she is. I agreed with her policies.

But she kinda r ran a skittish campaign. I think she sucked shit. Because you can't do anything as a Democrat. What do you you can't come out and take credit for anything because people call you out of touch. You can't throw your administration under the bus. Because now it looks like you're what? So you so why didn't you do anything or why we don't administration disagree with everything? Meanwhile, Donald Trump can literally run for a second term.

Saying make America great again, even though he was just president. Why didn't you make it great? What happened? And he can say things were horrible, rem but then he can also say remember four years ago where you were. Like Donald Trump said, Remember where you were four years ago, that's why you should vote for me. Four years ago they voted Trump out of office.

With more votes ever. So the the reality is, and this is where I'm gonna spend the next year shifting people's mind towards, is you have to stop playing that. You can't do it. You cannot have two people step into the arena with different rule books. That has to stop. I um

I was talking with my my brother uh this morning and I realized something that of of why Kamala was so shit and Trump like did so well. So Kamala had this thing like a first time homebuyer's credit and I realized like What a fucking shit thing to try and get elected. Who knows they're gonna be a first time home buyer? And is gonna care about that.

Like if you're trying to get votes, you need to be like, How are you gonna tell me you're gonna lower my mortgage rates? Like why is Kamala not out there like, you know what, in the next year if you elect me, the mortgage rates across the country, I promise you I will do everything I can to get them down below three percent. Yeah, but the problem is nobody cares. Nobody cares about the numbers.

I feel like those things move the needle more than pushing like, Hey, I got a first degree. I understand what you're saying, and I know that it doesn't matter because there are more Americans paying historically lower interest rates on their mortgage at this point in time than there ever have been in all of US history.

No because more people refinance the average home p person, the average mortgage rent out, because so many people refi during um COVID and everything when his interest is rent zero zero percent. The average homeowner mortgage rate right now is lower than it ever has been in all of US history and the average homeowner is making more wealth Through accumulation of both ever happened.

Yeah, it's not. Yeah. They can say things like that. Yeah, yeah. She should have. Yeah, you can bullshit, but then the problem is when the Democrats aren't bullshitting. I mean you can just lie. No, but why why focus on a first time home buyer credit when that's gonna win you like no vote? I mean why did Donald Trump say he was gonna give a deduction for interest on car insurance?

Multiple Republicans brought that up as a good idea. What a retarded fucking idea. People are like, oh damn, I'm so excited. But people are stupid. They don't know. I know, but that's what I'm saying, so none of this matters. It doesn't matter what you say or what you do.

Oh shit, nice. I can fuck it that sounds sick. I mean, I think a f I feel like a first time home buyer tax credit is a big deal. I feel like nobody knows they're gonna be a first time home buyer. I bought my first house on an Obama first time homebuyer tax credit when I was nineteen years old. That was a big deal for me. You didn't know you were gonna buy it at that time. That's why I feel like that's like

You're putting out you're gonna do something, how many people know like, oh, I'm gonna vote for you because of this? Like I would say the difference is like, hey, uh if you vote for me, I'm getting rid of all car loan.

We're just gonna wipe them out. It's like are you fucking are you for real? Like that's like even if it's bullshit, that's getting people to be like, this motherfucker's gonna get rid of my car loan if I do it. But saying like, hey, if you happen to find a quarter tomorrow, I'll give you a dollar, like who's that getting?

Right? You don't know that you're gonna find the quarter tomorrow. So why why do you give a shit? Nobody knows they're gonna be a homeowner. That's like so small. But we but like How do we defend and I guess what Steven is saying is who cares how we would defend it. I don't think I'd be if we were just like run on the platform of get rid of all debt or get rid of all like medical debt. Or or I mean that's really the Andrew Yang.

strategy, which I mean even put him on the fucking map of literally just buying votes, basically. Being like, if you vote for me, I'll give you a thousand dollars a year, right? That's that was it. If I get elected, I'll give you a Democrats kinda ran on that with the Cell Tax credit. That's a ton of free money. But they they suck at marketing. Just say that I'm gonna give you a thousand dollars.

Did the marketing for the child tax credit, it was huge. Everybody that fought their taxes under Biden got that tax credit. It was huge.

It's not that they're marketing Americans don't care about that. Americans don't care about the money. They're not we're not suffering economically. Despite how much Shadow call me out of touch, despite how much everybody will complain, right? We're not suffering economically. We're just not the scene. Do you remember the scene, um have you did you ever see the movie Cheney?

I think it was called Cheney. There's a scene in here. Okay. I think we can watch part of this. Okay. Is this the um Christian Bale? Uh yeah. I think it's called uh uh V uh VP or VP. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I was de rem did you see that girl on Jubilee that I was debating who was talking about how groceries were too expensive for her two kids?

And I was like, what about a$6,000 extra? And she said, you think$500 a month would help? Are you fucking retarded? How huge are your children that$500 a month, not forget feed them completely, which it obviously would. It wouldn't even help?$500 a month?

Are you in a Texas Roadhouse every single night? What the fuck are we talking about? Jesus. It's called Vice. Oh. But yeah, so like it's not yeah, none of it is No, I I I hear that uh but it also sounds like okay, fifty whatever percentage of the population is gonna win the popular vote. believe that there are or at least some large percentage of America believes there's some real economic hardship and worse. Unless you think it's true, they're all fucking dead wrong. Yeah.

Um I'm not gonna self reflect against the party who's like they're eating the cats and the dogs and I'm gonna tear off every single thing and make your life better as a result. No, that's fucking retarded. Yep, it's on that thing. Over two million dollars. How many of you have a problem with that? Okay. How many of you would have a problem with something called a death tax? Global warming. Which we all agree sounds very scary. We call it Climate change.

The government is taking your money. So this shit is exactly what Republicans excel at and what Democrats are too pussy to do about, right? The death tax was a good example of this, right? It was the estate tax. It doesn't affect fucking poor middle class people, but because they said Hey, we're gonna have a death tax now. And they called it the death tax and the way that they framed it

They fucking push the narrative. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the fucking context is and Democrats just don't give Uh about that. They're always like, listen, we're gonna do a first time home buyer credit. How about the fucking cut my car insurance half bill, but it has nothing to do with that? You know? Like this is the shit that I feel like Democrats don't do. That's it. They try it, it just doesn't stick. No, they suck if they try. I feel.

I mean I'm not sure. Kamala tried to call the tariff thing the Trump tax or whatever, it didn't stick. Nobody cares. No Republican even knows what a tariff is. Like it it's nobody is in the policy world. This seems like it might w this might have worked back in the Rush Limbaugh days, but right now we're we're just in a totally different world.

Like you're talking about like Kamala going against Trump on the tax thing. Why even be on the defensive? Why not go on the the offensive and say something that Trump's never said? Call him a racist, call him a uh terrorist, call him not like that. No, because that's always just attacking. Fuck attacking him. Talk about shit you're gonna do that he can't do.

I don't think Trump ever said like, Hey, I'm gonna get your mortgage rates at two or hey, I'm gonna lower the price of groceries in the next year by X or I'm gonna give everyone a state mandated girlfriend. He sh Command didn't do any of that shit, right? And and she could have, and she didn't. And uh it's because of all this shit. Instead we have, hey, we're gonna do a first time home buyer credit or it's uh you know You happen to step in a puddle tomorrow, credit. It's like great.

Is he coping? I don't think he's coping. I just don't think that this part of the messaging is why this stuff can help on the edges, but I don't think it was the meat of what happened. I think people were just mad'cause of inflation and they were gonna blame whoever it was and nothing mattered. This was easily the worst campaign that I've ever seen a candidate run before. Donald Trump. His performances on like some of these rallies were insane.

The amount of just like random crazy shit, like the bad appearances, the random tweet like it like there at the very least, like as much as I hated him, in twenty sixteen and even in twenty twenty in the campaign season, I He was decently funny. He had some funny appearances. He had some funny quips or whatever. He d like at least he had that, but like man, he was Old and worn down, this like la at least the end of this most recent uh election cycle. But it did not even matter.

Wasn't it fucking stupid to not have a clear divergence from Joe Biden if for any for optics, for vibes, for everything. For for Kamala, listen, I thought Joe Biden did a wonderful job for her to be paying deference to Joe Biden all the time, for her to be campaigning with Liz Chain and all these people. And trying to be the business as usual candidate in a where everyone was screaming we are dissatisfied.

Wasn't that stupid? It would be hard enough for somebody in the Democratic Party to distance themselves from Joe Biden, the Democratic president. You were thinking the vice president could have distanced herself from her What what would Trump do if you if you were trying if you were just out of the wrong thing?

He can take credit for things and distance himself from the exact same thing at the same time. He can say simultaneously, look at how low immigration was under COVID. COVID didn't happen. I that's not my fault that unemployment was so fucking high. Look at how great the median wages were under COVID. I can't help that so many people um you know were were stuck in their homes. Look at how the Democrats

failed us um you know in the in the world peace or whatever, I can't help the BLM riots in my coun like he can take credit for everything at all points in time. There's no way to you can't if you're playing that game, you will always lose. You can never win. You will never win.

It's like when you're play it's like playing it's like playing with a six year old who's like, We're gonna make up our own superheroes and then every time you like hit him it's like, Oh actually my superhero can't be hurt by swords and like, Okay, well I shoot you. Oh actually I can dodge bullets too.

And you're like, okay, well I bomb you. Oh my superhero? I'm actually can't be hurt by fire as well. And I can kill you psychically. And then you're like sitting here like, Well, can we theory craft the best superhero? No, you can't. You can't you can't win at this game with them. I don't think this Like at all change the election, I just wanna be clear, I think that the the Palestine Israel stuff is is overblown. But she was running

She could not stake out a position that anyone believed with any clarity. Again, I'm not saying that that's the reason that she won or lost, but to me it's emblematic. the the campaign didn't have balls. It was scared. That is interesting. I don't know why like if you felt like Trump had the Muslim vote, which apparently that he did at that point, why the fuck would Kamala even Uh just w why be so And like I ca I can't believe that's like half the Jewish vo vote went to Trump.

I I thought it's like eighty percent for Kamala. I would be I my understanding of my the vast majority of uh Jews would be vote vote for Trump. Trump was the huge pro Israel candidate. Oh then may then fuck me, I guess I would have expected. Maybe since Jews tend to be more educated or well, maybe they tend to go Democrat more, I guess.

I uh I'm just saying nationwide over there are more Jews in other parts of the country. I think that the numbers were quite part. Just put put uh exit polls Jewish. Um here I mean this is New York. Let's see. Exit poll. It's gonna be dominated by New York. Initial exit poll show Harris earning seventy nine percent.

Okay. That's th those are awesome numbers. The Jewish vote isn't the reason she lost. So that is that is uh a lot better than the one out of New York I saw. How is it how could it be so high out of New York? Because Jews are a democratic Constituency. Yeah, they might just overlap on other values amount of the yeah. And the same I I just gotta say, the same thing with black uh black voters. They voted like at similar numbers to twenty twenty. These things are so skewed. Um

I feel like we're not gonna be able to get a real answer on this because it's like how probably need to wait a few days for people to sort through a bunch of things, a couple of weeks, yeah. It's still depressing, but uh Yeah, it's fucking Kamala's fault. What's your identity besides anti-Trumpism? I mean if you want like another like hard truth.

might be that the Democratic Party is uh too white tent, that we need to start excluding people. Maybe we shouldn't talk about blacks or minorities or whatever or LGBT people. Maybe we just need to inject those

Like like think think about like the identity of the Democratic Party is like a party that includes like a whole bunch of different people that were all trying to like raise the tides of the Republican Party. White people, people that are approving of slave owner. No, both shit make the country gay. Yeah, yeah. Anti immigration. It's an exclusionary party, right? Yeah. Fuck gay people, fuck women that want abortions, fuck yeah, it's exclusionary.

What is the Democratic Party in in the sense of The Democratic Party is literally like a liberal arts college. I disagree. The Democratic Party is a huge wide party. We have a he it's a huge ten at the moment. Maybe too many. It's kinda kicks people out of the tent. Maybe I'm r I I don't know. That's how it felt to me, but y I'm I don't I'm not as keen on politics to you. That's how it feels to me, the Democratic Party. That's what I'm hearing, right?

It sounds like it's almost like the optics, even if it's not the case, even if they are trying to be the most pro union, pro all this good shit, right? At the end of the day, what people feel is that it's just like the fucking oh this is a liberal arts

student making all the policy decisions. It feels that way, even if it may not be true. It feels that way. And I I would just want to say I'm conflicted because I don't want to discount'cause I understand that I'm in a bit of a bubble. You know, I used to work as a bartender, but now I you know now I'm a lawyer. Now I'm in different circles. And I see Biden making policy moves that absolutely are pro union, pro labor, one of the most pro labor presidents.

But people aren't feeling it. And if that's happening, that's important. Oh I I can't uh what you're gonna have to explain that distinction to me. But perception it's that distinction is everything. It doesn't matter what you're actually experiencing, it matters what you think you're experiencing. Oh I see what you're saying. Yeah. They're not feeling it. Their belief is that they they're not feeling it. That's their belief. Yes, they believe it.

So what the fuck? I mean th I'm just trying to say I'm conflicted. I don't know how could Biden have been more pro Lake. What could he have done to make people feel like he was mo more pro labor?'Cause they were bleeding some working on the other thing.

They big unemployment insurance. I know the Republicans were the ones that were fighting to end it in every state. I think there was some a provision for that under bu under the American I I know that there were multiple like labor disputes where Biden was siding with the unions, um, to say nothing of the agencies that run a lot of the the union disputes and that in those negotiations.

What could he have done really d to be more pro-labour? I'm genuinely wondering and people who are in the I don't know if his policies were even bad. I just think his messaging around everything was bad. That's the problem. I mean that's my what I think. He probably had he probably already had the best policies for that type of shit. He was probably already way more friendly towards union people than Trump is.

Like Trump, isn't he wanting to try and get rid of overtime and um like bust out unions and shit like that? Is that true or not? He he has said things he'd said that I don't want to pay overtime, but I don't know if he's you know, wanted to interact with the water. That did it is just they're they got sucked into the messaging. They lost the war of optics at the end. So it's the info war. Which is that like the mainstream media shit, legacy media, that shit is on the decline slash flat

The alt media sphere, people are getting their news there. And the Republicans and MAGA, they have a humongous edge. Joe Rogan, Tim Poole, uh you could even say like The pseudo legacy, I don't know, propaganda network they have Fox News, which is kind of in cahoots with them as well, Charlie Kirk. They have a huge edge in messaging. And Democrats, they might have infrastructure of like people in MSNBC or in CNN studios, but do they have the alt media, the internet media, the new age?

Yeah. I don't know if they're equipped to fight the info war. It's uh I don't know, it's a little bit wild. It is what it is. So I'm gonna say I'm glad I'm not like a pregnant chick. That's it. It's it's fucking cooked. I uh I felt better. I don't I don't even know if I already said this yesterday. I feel like not It sucks when Trump is president because every day it's a fucking panic, every day it's a fucking news story and you just kinda wanna chill and not think about the world exploding.

But um even under Trump's presidency, I'm trying to think like I don't know if he really did Right. That was like the th the the problem is if he starts doing shit and people stop getting the latest Avengers movies or their house starts going down in

civil war is coming or the food gets insanely expensive because of tariffs or gas is on it. Like if he does anything that upsets the status quo to a point where it actually starts fucking mattering, like people are gonna lose their shit at Trump. And he so will they though? Yeah, if gas starts becoming like fucking twenty dollars a gallon. Will they blame Trump or will they find a way to blame the Democrats?

Because keep in mind most Americans right now think that Biden was worse for a US energy than I they'll certainly try. Trump will try to spin it that way, but regardless of what happens, people are not gonna be America starts turning into like a fucking war zone. Everything gets expensive. I think there are limits and people lose money. I think you have a point. There are some limits here and I'm hopeful about those limits.

I saw one poll. I don't know if it's true, but I saw a poll that people are like thinking the economy is worse now. That's their perception than it was. Funny. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, because it's all vibes, because nobody has any actual idea about what this is why I don't and it people call me out of touch, but like I was poor and I know poor people. People say shit about like their economic situation, they have no fucking.

People talk about like inflation and shit like that. Like I said, I think that there are certain indicators that you can look at to see like if shit is truly fucked. So like if but like when when when companies like DoorDash and Uber Eats are thriving, like I'm not gonna expenditures are I'm not taking anybody seriously on on like oh yeah it looks like you could tell in two thousand seven that like

People were fucked. I know'cause I worked at a casino and the first thing that usually goes, I think, in big times of recession is entertainment. And that shit was felt your your floor, your casino floor was empty, uh except for maybe Friday, Saturday nights or I think Thursdays or footballer stuff. People now are vacationing. They're eating a lot. They're eating out.

How would it how would it change things? You know the whole meme of when they go low we go high? Yeah. How would it just change things if we had a fucking ruthless fucking democratic We need some people with balls. Yeah. Some people with fucking energy. Some people with like

I don't know, some charisma. Yeah. You don't have any Democrats that can talk. Yeah. I mean, I love Kamala Harris. I think she did like again, I think she's an honorable person. She has trouble in those interviews. She can't talk. Like not like a normal person.

Do you think so? I don't know. You don't think that he has that ability to kind of He can connect to that like I I think Jon Stewart. If I were to pick a someone like John Stewart You you're that guy has a Zionist he has a Zionist last name. I don't think anybody cares about that. Well, Shapiro's another someone on the short list. But someone who can like talk like a real person, and I don't think Trump talks like a real person. No. But I don't know, someone who has at least

the perception that he can grab you can grab a beer with him. Yeah, that's true. I don't I yeah, I d I it's fucked. Very doomer pilled the whole thing. I don't even know if I actually believe that. No. I don't know if people call Obama A charismatic president. I don't know if I got the same we could get a beer vibe with Obama that I would have from compared to Bush and Clinton. I don't think so.

What Bush and Clinton won? I know, but I'm saying that like in terms of like hang out and have a chill time, like George Bush. And Bill Clinton absolutely were. Obama was like he was a good speaker, he seemed like a funny dude, but like quite formal. Let me ask you this Steve. If you could go back

Uh, one year from now. Okay? And and so we're f a full year in the past right now and Biden's like, you know what? I don't feel like doing it, I'm gonna drop out. Who would you have with that whole year of preparation, who would you have run? To give the best chance to the Democrats. Because it's obviously not Kamala. So who would be the best? Um probably I would just probably say Newsom, but I don't know. I need time to like go through a bunch of.

I don't know if John Stewart would do it. The older John Stewart I haven't seen him as much recently, but like the the older John Stewart for sure. The one that interviewed Kramer, the one that went on crossfire, that guy, yeah. But Yeah, he was he was pretty savage. He was smart. He can level with the American people. Like like these old timey politicians or the in the classical style, they when they give these long speeches, I don't know, it just feels people feel that it's I think um

You know, when people were saying Newsom, I think my concern there is people would say that he's like out of touch with like a Texan, right? He's just some like Yeah, and the New York real estate. I think Newsom has a lot of problems. Yeah. I think he's he's he has the perception of, you know, being a California Democrat, too liberal. It it's about vibe too.

We lost the vibe wars, we lost the info wars. It is mostly about vibes. Is like it that's like everything. Like people are fucking stupid and they just vote on what they think is is that's uh it's a restating that's kinda what I was saying earlier with it's not about how you're doing it's how you think you're doing. Yeah. Here the uh an interesting question, I don't know if any economist has um uh any economist has dealt with this. No, like an actual like podcast economist

I wonder if and changing this policy will be hard. I wonder if It might be politically incorrect. to target unemployment as aggressively as the Federal Reserve does, and if inflation politically would be a more appropriate target. So for instance, right now the Federal Reserve has two prime directors. Um, it's to keep inflation probably around two percent. It's to keep unemployment probably around five percent. It's possible that even if it would have been worse.

For America. Even if it would have been worse to have a recession, they might have actually felt better about it if prices stayed low. Maybe we would have preferred ten percent unemployment with a two percent inflation rather than insanely low unemployment. Three three uh three point two at at its lowest, three point three percent unemployment, um, with how whatever inflation got up to. Maybe that is the case. Who knows?

What what level of control will Trump have over the Federal Reserve moving forward? Who the fuck knows?'Cause he was bragging before about pressuring them to keep rates low and he was saying this time that he was gonna fire people until he

Yeah, I think the entire modus apparandi of the people around him and him included is to have unitary control over the executive government. And he definitely has unitary control over the Republic Party who's now And absolutely if there's some Fed policy that Donald Trump wants, is there any reason that he would like stop himself? Do some mass execution shit. But in my opinion, one of the worst things about this election has already been fulfilled. And that's it. It's yeah, that's fine.

any debate and I just wanna uh this is someone by the way, I'll never stop saying that Donald Trump tried to steal the twenty twenty election, insurrection inside of the insurrection, that he w the fake elector uh scheme was a fascist scheme, that he is a fascist. That's just in my view the act absolutely like defined uh the definition of those terms and the application to what Trump did. But the American people did

Yeah. That is conclusive. Mm-hmm. Those investigations are dead as a doornail doornail. Maybe we'll get some reports, maybe. Is that really information about that? That people naturally prefer Kings and Who knows? It but there's a lot it's funny actually on what you just said. Um who knows what the American people care about? Because one of the things that Trump focused on a lot were lockdowns and BLM riots, remember? Yeah. Do the American people care about that?

It seems like the answer would be yes, but Biden won after that, didn't he? He did. And it was Democrat governors that were blamed for like right, so who knows what the fuck anybody cares about, yeah. I think do people do want a benign dictator though. I think so. I'm at that point now too. I th I don't think People want democracy. I think they want a monarchy. With occasional leadership changes. And also you should there are metrics that you should think about because before Last night.

The GDP doesn't represent all of America, the stock market doesn't represent all of America. After today The stock market is posting all time highs. Look what Trump is doing for the economy. Look at our GDP, one of the strongest economies in the world. Look like all those numbers that didn't matter, that meant nothing, now those are gonna be the cornerstone of Trump's economic uh success. So we're all well and doomed, but Isn't there a pattern?

I mean I don't think necessarily living under a king is the worst shit. I don't know if it's so bad. It depends on who you are. So Trump wins an election and now we're monarchists. I'm I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking There's a lot of countries in the world where they have essentially maybe not in name but in practice, China, Russia, um a lot of Arab countries.

I mean there's let me tell ya, if you're rich, it's not so bad in Moscow. If you're rich, it's not so bad in China. It's not so bad in Hong Kong. It's pretty fucking sick. I don't know why you're laughing. That is true. Well the the shittiest countries are probably some of the best places to live in if you are a rich. But compsai and had maids and everything in a huge house, and he was an online dude like.

You you have a nice life in those countries if you're would you rather be an American middle class guy or It depends how rich you are. Would would I rather be uh worth Ten million dollars actually this is Would I rather be worth ten million dollars in Mumbai or here on fifty K a year? Would you like to ask me that question? Yeah, I'll ask you that. I'll do ten million in Mumbai every fucking day of the week. I will be a god out there. Unironically, you will be. This is the country we have.

And I would rather it not descend into m a monarchy because guess what? I I don't I'm not rich and there are a lot I'm not rich. Yeah, th I I understand that, but you are easy to sway. Everyone thinks They don't understand that that's not the case, right? Well careful, he's not a Trump voter, damn. No, no, but I'm saying no, I'm saying like those those voters don't get that.

Yeah. Because Democrats are trying to play by the rules and Republicans are fucking Well then what's our path? I think that we I I there is there isn't a path. pure complete acceleration and hope the I I would ha I already said it before, I think it's the right way. Have all of the fucking uh democratic senators, all the Democratic House representatives, all the Democratic Supreme Court judges, all of them resign.

Turn it into a fucking monarchy completely and have them fucking now you're can't and then you have it go. Fuck it. Accelerate to a ma maximum speed. He's blue mega with Josiah. I'm blue maga too. It's let them fucking catch the car and let America burn for a little bit until people demand something else. That's the only way. There may need to be like I don't I don't know what to say. I don't it's not possible to fix it how it is. They have too many judges.

They have now too many uh people that are gonna be loyal to Trump forever. They're gonna be in in charge of the people that are counting the votes. That's it. That is done. So the only thing you can do is completely resign in protest and show the whole thing is bullshit to the point that they can't do anything at all at all. That's it. You might as well just do that completely.

I think this is a a very emotional conversation. This is not to downplay what you just said. To be clear. Yeah.'Cause we like saying to be clear. I love saying to be clear. My life is fucking awesome. Under Trump, it'll be better than it would be under Company. But I feel I feel that there's a I don't know like

I I'm super sad about it. I'm the rich guy in Mumbai. I feel bad for you. Yeah, but my shit's about to be fucking insane. You don't seem happy. I'm not happy. Because I care about other people. Yeah. And so ipso facto, things can get worse. And if we just give up

They will get worse for people. And I think that if we have any hope of turning things around, I mean right now, for example, there's genuine fights to have a forty-eight Senate. The difference between a forty-eight versus a forty-six Senate is huge. For for the next election cycle. If we care about the people that you know, you care enough about to be upset about the election result right now.

It's a bit of a code because you're not fine, and I'm not fine because this election result isn't what we wanted, and we're scared. And that's okay, and that's okay to say out loud, but I think we need to be honest with ourselves that. There's an info war that we're not winning right now and we need to have new tactics, new strategies, new armies, new I don't think you maneuvers. I don't think you

Have clicked into some stuff here. There's been enough shit that's changed that I'm not sure it's possible to come back. After this, in four years, there'll be enough people in power loyal to Trump. That they're counting the votes. You don't need to control the vote. All you need to do is control the people that count the votes. That's it. Josh Shapiro is the governor in Pennsylvania. Gretchen Whitmer is the governor in Michigan. Sure. Um

Tony Evers is the governor of Wisconsin. Yeah. Last time that like Trump didn't pull some bullshit. Like how how barely the guardrails held. He p he he pulled bullshit. He D you saw how much he stretched it. Yeah. And that was without his loyalty and every part of it. How do you think it's gonna go when we get when we're there again? And in four more years and he's like, I either want four more years or you know what? I'm gonna have my son and I'm gonna be the VP. The beautiful framework.

And somewhere in that Whatever riddled brain of James of James Madison, he devised a system which assumed a a a federalist system where states have real sovereignty. And we have Democrats in positions of authority in twing states. It's not over. Dumerism can only take you so far. And I think that you think we'll survive those people in four years?

Also the United States, no offense, is not successful. We're not successful because of our I think that having our states is nice and I think that's kind of a cool, kind of unique thing about the United States. Um on some ways we have fifty different little countries that exist in this country, but more importantly, we have so much ease of of of transfer from one place. Our level of integration between all of our states is insane.

If you want to buy something in Montana and and drive over to fucking, you know, Nebraska or if you want to move from one state to another or if you want to call somebody or whatever, like we have an incredibly high level of integration from one place to the night. The fact that we are part and this was the I mean to speak of the framers, speak of the Federalist right, this was the argument was that in order to succeed as a country, it can't be the these are the first things that we've got

Confederation of cuck federation, I think they called it. Uh it has to be we need a constitution and a federal government. And that's important. To say that like, well, you know, fuck the federal government. We still have like individual state governments, I don't think that's a good idea. No, yeah, I understand that. I understand and I don't believe that in two years midterms are in two years. That's tomorrow, Dan. That might as well be tomorrow. All right?

So here's what I know. Either the Democrats will barely squeak it out in the House, which probably doesn't seem likely at this point. Uh huh. It just seems unlikely. So it's gonna be we're gonna have like ten Joe mansions, basically, moving forward, right? Yeah, every every person that's in a purple state is gonna be a new Joe Mansion for anything that's even remotely In the Senate? No in the house.

In the house. Yeah. If if we eke out a if we eke it out, right? So if Trump wants to push out, we're getting rid of all we're we're kicking out all of the uh whatever, right? Um something. Yeah, we and he' something he can't do with an executive action and he needs the house. I still feel like there's not enough support.

from even the Republican house people to do it.'Cause they're like, if I do this I'm I'm gonna get I'm sorry, just as a quick thing, was the ACA did he try to kill that with a four four court or did he have a majority in his court when he tried to kill or no I'm sorry, I'm sorry, not the ACA, uh DACA. DACA it was it depends which effort. So there was an effort in I think twenty eighteen, someone correct me if I'm wrong, uh or maybe even before that and it was

Split four four. Okay. Uh did that ever survive a five four Trump's court challenge or it did on procedural grounds on on the Administrative Procedures Act'cause it was done

But then that's potential is that eight hundred thousand? How many do you know how many DACA kids that we've paid money to educate, that we have like as numbers of autonomy that aren't committing crimes that are deportable. They're all deportable. Yeah. Okay. By single unilateral action by Donald Trump, assuming procedurally he doesn't recognize it.

By the way, I I was asking how much damage is it that he can do? By himself? Yeah. A lot. A lot. He's the president. And the president, especially under Republicans, loves the influx by the president. If we don't have if all we have is like We're the minority, if the Democrats are the minority, and maybe there's a few Murkowskis or something like that and they're in between, uh basically it doesn't matter, is what you're saying. Basically he's in control of the whole government.

So he he can j literally just do whatever he wants. If he really wants something, I think that they'll Is there any um Wait, wait, real quick, do we know is the Senate Senate's gone. Like how much? The minimum is forty six. We could get up to forty eight. Uh Rosen is looking good in Nevada. Casey, it's super. Okay. So at at best or at at wo at their worst, they have fifty two votes in the Senate. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Still, two mansions to fuck shit up.

No they have fifty two votes in the Senate. So yeah, we would have Murkowski and Collins, but that's fifty fifty if JD Vance breaking ties. So we need a third one. So basically then okay well that's the Senate. So how how close is the House? No because a lot of the agency stuff that's only So things like approving

Crazy bonkers, judges, crazy bonkers. Are you telling me that that fucking thing that that movie we all watched lied to me? I thought Bills got born in the house. Let's say that Donald Trump wants to make like Rudy Giuliani a Supreme Court justice, he just needs to send it to confirm that and he has it. Yeah.

Let's just say that Trump fucking takes out the remaining liberal uh justices for whatever reason. Just you know, CLC six is that. Literally that. Uh we we are hoping and praying for the Republicans to be the guardrails. The only Republicans that were guardrails were bureaucrats, which is what um is it Section F or is it there was an i not section uh schedule? Schedule that's that that's trying to get rid of it. The only Republicans that we're willing to stand against.

If s if a scenario like that were to happen The bulwark against that would be MAGA republicanism. But you're like a Jew who's like walking to the gas chambers and you're like, I know the Hitler's doing this, but I think Goebbels gonna show up and Goebbels gonna show up and save us. Like he's he's on his way, I swear. Stephen, it's cold comfort. I'm not trying to be a good thing.

But I'm saying that like any elected Republican won't do it. A bureaucrat could because they're not trying to win elections. But an elected Republic what power do like the person in charge of the VA, someone that's not elected but w was put there. Literally they can just be fired p for political reasons? Yeah, especially with this core, they're they're all in on the unitary theory.

So you can hire and fire well, to be clear, even without unitary theory, the president of the United States is allowed to hire and fire. Okay, because I think we need to do this. Be realistic. Three months left. There's very little he can do? It sounds like there's a lot he can do. Because it sounds like there's a lot that Trump can do. So what should Biden do in three months? Starting tomorrow.

So he should pull the plug as hard as he can on every piece of legislation the Democrats passed. I I think I mean I don't know. I don't think it's fair to say that Trump can be able to do whatever he wants and then saying that Biden well he's fucked he can't do anything.

He's a he's a lame duck, old fuck that's gonna be dead in a few years no matter what anyways. Well what do you want him to do? He should also enact everything that's every single tariff every single tariff Trump said he was gonna put on Biden should put on too, yeah. I I I think he should do something besides not If we're so concerned with Trump literally going fucking crazy

I think that within the problem is that the problem is that the problem is the problem. So so I I see two kind of avenues of what you're taking. Either he can intentionally fuck up the country so that Trump has some kind of fucking he has to deal with. Or he can do something like fucking obscene and criminal, like take people out. What about something to stop something that Trump wants to do in the future with questions like that? He can't negotiate with people because he doesn't need to.

Okay. You're you're like what can he do? I'm I'm saying he can do a lot that will then get challenged in the Supreme Court and everything in six months to a year down the road, but what can he just fucking do and say that Trump can't undo? No. Trump can still undo it. But what can he set in motion like what? Once you're like Trump can't undo anything. What's a bad example?

Obviously we're like as an example than a thing. Right. No, no, I'm just saying I'm not saying we do that. I'm not saying we do that. I'm just giving that as an example of that something that you could do that would fuck. A lot of things moving forward that cannot be undone, right? As an example. There are other things.

That Biden can do short of insane shit like that that he could do today. He could start a trade war, an actual war, to you know make it you know uh make it so Trump has a heart like but he's not gonna do that, you know? But that but also I don't want that. I don't want him to like cause chaos for Trump to deal with because I don't think that That'll be good.

Can Biden go right now and like Trump is promising to do, where he would take everyone that's a loyalist or sorry, that's not a loyalist and fire them and put someone else in, can he just go ahead right now and fire everyone and then Yeah, but then Trump's just gonna you're making Trump Trump's job easier. He'll be like, Thanks Biden. Now I can

Uh now I don't even have to worry about it actually. Here's what I'm looking for. Yeah. There must be some things that once you do it, you can't get back in and the only way to change that law is to have a supervisor.

The problem is you're assuming that like that was already in the president can do things unilaterally that can be undone unilaterally. But you can't do something that requires like all the government and then it like can all or does something on its own that has to be taken back by all the government. Okay. There's a law already on the books, okay? If you're a felon, that once you're a felon, you can't buy

buy a car, okay, or whatever it is. It doesn't matter, right? And that law's been on the books forever and the only way to get that law off the book is with a supermajority. Yeah, well but you had to pass the law first, right? No, no, I'm saying if there's laws in place right now. But then he wouldn't be doing anything. It would just be laws in the books right now. No. And then if you're going to basically

type of thing already, right? So you make people felons, and by virtue of that, now they can't go and do this other thing because there's other laws in place that can't be removed. He could pardon Hunter Biden. He should pardon Hunter Biden. He absolutely should. What about if he should like as a as a meme, what about if he literally just fucking pardoned every federal criminal? He could do that, that'd be unreviewable.

That that would be done. You can't stop that. Correct. That would Why the fuck would he get every federal criminal out of jail? It's a type of thing just to fucking It is a type of thing, yes. It is a type of thing. Or or why doesn't he pardon every single person that's committed of a drug crime immediately? That'd be pretty um you want drug dealers to see. Didn't he do that with uh marijuana? No, not entirely. But maybe should be a good idea.

He's not a good thing. Yeah, just as a quick thing, um in I don't remember the numbers off hand, but in the US population, federal prisons account for like It's I think it's less than ten percent of all prisoners. It's mainly state prisons. That maybe will be challenged.

Not by that can't be undone by an action, right? It's something you do it and people are like, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't press that button. And once you press the button, people can argue about it. And six months to a year later, after court, they're like, Yeah, you you shouldn't have pressed that button. Yeah. But what can he just say, Fuck you, challenge me in court and press that button today and make it so that maybe Trump can't accomplish all of his goals?

I would have said Obama should have just installed Merrick Garland as a Supreme Court justice at the end of his term. Um and be and and said because Congress has waived its It's obligation under Article one or Actually this is a good this is a good thing. But I I mean that's one example I can think of, but whatever. Hold on. That's what does it take to appoint? What is the law of appointment?

You need to have a vacancy, a place for them to sit. What does it actually say? Because it's been increased multiple times in the patent, not for a long time, but they've increased like as far as the packing. Okay. So basically the president unilaterally can increase the amount? No. He needs what? Congress to pack n uh pass an an act of law. Okay. They never do that. So he can't even have the democratic votes in the Senate to do that.

I don't know. I I feel like he would have to do something now that will be challenged and take time to challenge and have to go to the Supreme Court, but something that we have done is love him mean it and Biden, I think that you've done the best job of a president in my lifetime. His time is cooked. This is cooked. He's a lame duck. He's got no power anymore to do long lasting things. He That's not true. It's a divided gun. I mean it's a shitty example, but he could launch like a new

Solidifying our countries being at war. I it's a I'm not saying to do that. I'm giving an example. You're saying there's nothing he can do. There are more things like that that he can do that can't be. I don't mean to laugh at that. I understand the frustration. I I I do. Um He could um he could tell China we're no longer protecting

It's it's all yours. Um he could he could end anything. Anything anything relating to foreign stuff. The problem with negotiating with uh democracies is if you know that the person is on the way out, the other countries just won't take anything you say seriously. He could couldn't he literally just destroy our military if he wanted to? No. No? He couldn't say I hereby command the military. They didn't peach and remove him for that.

I don't I'm pretty sure it'd be like one he would get impeached, too. A lot of the stuff that goes to the military is like congressionally approved. Can't quickly with what if he says I'm tearing down the military or something approaching that or it's understood? What about if he's like I want all these battle cruisers at this position? And just I don't think they would even do it. I don't know if they would do a follow through on it. Again, this is all this is all hypothetical.

Hm you think that the supreme commander of the of the armed forces. cannot say I want all of my carriers, all of my ships at this uh in this port tomorrow. He could is it but like a fucking chit show. Well I don't even know if they would do it. They'd probably just say, sorry bro, you're crazy. Because didn't didn't Trump try to do this with Afghanistan?

On his way out, didn't Trump say I want to withdraw every single soldier and government out? Was it Syria? I thought it was Afghanistan. He was like, I just want to pull everybody out and the I think the was it Mark Millie somebody was like, Bro, we're not doing that. That's why it might've been Afghanistan. Here's a good example. Great, this is a perfect one. Thank you to the person in chat. What about if Biden says I'm here by by uh my executive decree giving Ukraine ten nuclear weapons?

That's a perfect example. Thank you, Chatter. That is a great example of something that you can do that cannot be undone. Can the president unilaterally sell military stuff to other people? I don't think we can do that. Are the the world for doing that? What in violation of the nonproliferate I mean who cares? America who cares? I care. I don't care. To try to people don't care Yeah, wouldn't be good.

Why not do that? I don't think that's probably'cause throwing a tantrum. What you're just saying, no no not even fuck the tantrum. That's like leading to the destruction of the entire world. No, it's not. Nukes are us. That would be bad. I'm I'm giving you an example. Okay, fine, not a nuke. Something is insanely powerful like hey, we're gonna give you ten thousand fucking I don't know, trident ICBS.

They'll be there tomorrow. We're selling'em for a dollar. If if Biden were to make an order like that, nobody would follow through on it. Nobody in the military would follow through on it. Okay. First off, you have to follow up. You don't have to. Nobody's forcing you. Unless Biden's gonna show up with a gun and hold it to your head. They don't have to do anything. Doesn't matter if he's the he can be the commander of the whatever. They're not gonna do it. He has no leverage. He has no

People understand. He's gonna get impeached, but like military commanders are gonna go before fucking Congress, they're not gonna follow him. That takes time. So does so does approving orders and shipping weapons and whatever. Unless Biden's gonna go there personally with A K forty seven and tell people that that's not gonna happen. I I think both of you guys are And you guys know so much more than me. I think if he puts an order.

says tomorrow I want this equipment sent here. I think Trump tried to make uh Jeffrey Clark the Attorney General on a phone call. Uh he he did. They were mocking it as the attorney general in the call logs but it didn't happen'cause he had no idea what he was doing. He tried to make Sidney Powell a fucking special prosecutor.

Because he said it on phone to her, like it didn't happen. Like you can't just even though technically he does have the power to kinda do that, but you can't you it's there are people involved. It kind of almost did. Like when she when he did that shit, did he have to do that?

I think that there have been multiple times in world history where from the top down there was an understood moment where nuclear weapons were supposed to be launched at a country and multiple people involved said we're not gonna do this.

And the world averted nuclear disaster as a result of that. And if there was ever a compulsion to do something militarily, it would have been at these times. What about what about this then? What about if uh like I mean there's a million ways to go this. What about

Israel has nukes. What about if Biden says to Israel, Hey, I want you to give some nukes to uh Ukraine and for that I'm gonna send you a fuck ton of aid right now And she'll be like uh no oh in exchange for aid? Yeah if you give nukes to Ukraine?

I don't know if we can do call ins right now. Why? Uh Brian Taylor Coin wants to call in. Oh yeah, Tom Collins. Supposedly. Well I'm sorry, actually somebody just said he's in YouTube chat. But I don't even know if we can handle it right now. Why not? If you have Discord'cause I don't know if this is still wired for it. But I don't I message him the account. If you want to say that I actually I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. So I don't actually know if he wants to. Biden can't do much to

To protect the country. The country has made its decision clear. The people have made their decision clear. It's up to us to draw lessons from it and find out what we're gonna do. What I know I don't wanna do. Even though I understand that's all I want that, hypothetically speaking, what would happen if tomorrow Ukraine had five

There's a whole question about they have to have like the delivery system, they have to have be able to maintain them, like the nuclear shit needs to be like refreshed or whatever. I think it's different for everyone in NATO would be different for like a reaction. No, even for missiles, they require like an upkeep uh in order to keep them functional and tested and to have delivery systems there. It's like a whole uh everyone in the world I think everyone in the world.

Would you hate the United States? Every single country on the planet would condemn it. Yeah, and and and I it feels and I'm not saying that you're I'cause I feel the frustration, I think it's a real frustration. It feels like a a tantrum. It does, and not from necessarily from you saying it's sorry, one more I don't even know if you could do this. There's apparently does the president have the ability to make someone a citizen? No. Congress has the power of natural.

the president can't give someone uh citizens not beyond what Congress has well I mean he we we'd have to test it, right, I guess, but Congress has the power of naturalization. No. The president can make citizens. Show me where that's allowed. All I say is bang your mom, have a kid. US citizens. Absolutely destroyed. Destroyed. Yikes. Um yeah, obviously declassifying powers. I just um the Epstein folder. Sure.

I don't I don't know if that moves the needle. I'm talking about stuff to try and prevent what we know is coming. What's what's coming under what's coming under Trump? We know we know that that Russia is going to take you.

Right? And we don't w the current administration does not want that to happen. Donald Trump has promised to end the war in Ukraine on day one. Yeah. And we all know how that's. And I think that that's not gonna bode well for for Ukraine. And I think that means that there's gonna be some uh Settlement, some agreement whereby some large chunks of Ukraine are given over.

Crimea and Brian, I'm Steve Vanel, the second in chat. You can email me on that email if you want to hop in. Um I think they're I think the I think the war will end soon. I think that um I think that um I think that Crimea and I think that um uh Luhanskan Donats I think are gonna be given to Russia because Trump is gonna wanna pull the plug on that conflict. And I think

Um Russia might even give back like Z Zap Priest and uh Kherson or whatever. They might even give back something as a sign of good faith and then Trump will say that he'd like made peace. What what is amnesty exactly

Like how like I'm seeing people like pardon, give give more citizens, all this type of shit. Like can can Biden right now do something with all the illegal immigrants if he wanted to? The president has three different temporary like immigration measures that he can do to let people in

like temporarily. One is called TPS, which is temporary protective strata status or something. That can be undone in the U.S. He can parole in place. He can which is that's can be that's gonna be cucked by the courts and you're gonna have a lot of trouble with this Supreme Court. Um after think about what they did undoing the the student debt stuff. If you have any kind of wide systemic immigration relief by this administration

One, you're gonna anger the population who just voted in one of the most hawkish immigration person you you know, you're not tracking where the country is. That's number one. And then number two, it's gonna get cut by the courts gonna invoke the major questions doctrine or some other doctrine to be like or maybe even legitimate statutory interpretation to say, hey, President can't do this.

I mean Congress has made specific paths for you to get a green card and I don't think that the president has the authority to just snap his fingers and make give all these people green cards.

I'm gonna stop going in on this. Yeah. But here's the thing. You guys are like when Trump's in place, he's gonna fucking do everything. Unilaterally, he's gonna do whatever he wants. And I'm like, so hey, what can Biden do for three owners? And you're like oh nothing. Because no, because Trump is doing it at the start of his administration with a mandate from the American Yep Biden just lost the election.

Like it like if you ask me what can the president do in three months, that answer is way different at the start of the administration versus the end. There's a way different I still feel like he could do stuff right now. He did a bunch of stuff at the start of his administration. I feel like in the next three months he he still has roughly half of Americans supporting him. Generals still they might not like it, still have to listen to his orders. They don't.

If you don't listen to an order that's lawful. If you go too crazy, but I don't think Right now right now. Right now the policy of the United States is that we are protecting and defending Ukraine. We are giving them weapons. Okay? It is not so far. Holy shit, wait a second. We're giving them shit that already does. A lot of damage, okay. Maybe we're not giving them a fucking SAR bomb. I'm not even sure Ukraine would accept them.

Forget the nuclear weapons. What about giving them a fuck ton of like I don't know, javelins or whatever the fuck it is that they would need to actually make a difference? Long range missiles that can strike. To sell weapons? Don't you? Well you could just send him once they have'em part of that undo that. But I mean he is a supreme commander. It's his decision. It's a supreme commander, but like the own I don't know who owns.

Like I don't know if it's like the United States army like as an entity that owns something. B Biden absolutely could do things to improve Ukraine's armaments in the time left he has. He he absolutely could do that.

Yeah. And he could give them like for instance, the the example would be forget nukes, because that's like two inflammatory long range missiles that could strike directly into the center of Moscow. He could give them a huge delivery of them that could basically like annihilate Moscow. Well he hasn't done that.

There are geostrategic interests. At one point, I think there's a leak that they were estimating the the possibility of a Russia tactical nuclear was like at 50%. There are reasons why the Biden administration has maintained the policy. I know people are so frustrated.

With the wishy washiness sometimes and this kind of like middle road approach by Biden, but there is a method to the madness in some accounts. And uh maybe for the American electorate that didn't work. What about giving one to Poland as an example? Giving it one to Poland. Yeah. Giving a nuke to somebody is like that's like doomsday level shit. You're giving giving a fuck ton of long range missiles to Poland. What is Poland gonna do? Poland can't attack.

The idea, okay, is that Poland's probably next. Poland also has a like an autocratic little bank. It doesn't matter. Poland's in NATO. I know. So that that's a whole Article V. I understand like It sucks. This really sucks. And there was a reason why we were like fighting tooth and nail to try to get to convince people, but we didn't win. And we and our message wasn't getting through. And so we need to do something.

Other than coming up with these fun little So what what are the uh executive actions that are limited by pr President Tr um Biden? What can't he do? What can uh there's a lot of things he cannot do What can you do? Well let's okay. Let's we what's the next part of this conversation? I don't know. I I I think that the next part of the conversation is a very good thing.

Be nicer to people, to be more cocked or to use like anal gapers so that we can be ready to get fucked by multiple dicks at the same time. What is it what do you think needs to happen? One, I I think that we need to there's part of what you're saying that I totally agree with. We need to grow some balls. with the democratic politicians, but it also starts with you. We already have balls. But I mean to say you need to

Expand on your level of influence that you already have. Yeah, I'm not sure. Right now, the alt-media sphere is dominated by right wingers and by crazy MAGA cultists. This is like a an effort for us to purge the cultists or at least make it uh some kind of Fair fight in the alt sphere. So we're getting our message out. We're getting our framing out. I agree. And I think that's a positive thing that we can do. Yeah. Is to grow as a I don't know, an enterprise. I agree.

And then let's get some let's back some politicians. Let's carry forward some of the work that you've done already in the canvas team, but let's support base politicians, people with balls, people with Some kind of personality, some kind of like identity beyond just anti-Trumpism. We need to define ourselves as more than just what we're in opposition against. That's my take.

Um uh in which Discord is he? Oh god trying to do this live, you guys are making me want to come in. What's his name? I have I don't I don't even know if he's in like a voice channel. I don't know which Discord he's in. I don't know if he's in Destiny or There's a fuck ton of people on this channel. Oh damn. What would his name be? Brian Tyler Lurk. Oh, I don't know what he'd be on Discord. Fuck's sake. A stoned troll.

Oh probably Tyler Cooper? Yeah, this is probably gonna be him, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um Okay. Oops, sorry. Uh friends. All right, I sent that guy a friend request. One thing I did um I have thought about this. I'll probably talk about this in the coming days of my stream because I want to think about like different media approaches. Um

I'm never gonna I don't wanna like be on my knees like begging the Democrats to like work with me because it it is a lot of hubris or whatever. Um but if not me, they need to like find some strong center left, like I wanna go fuck with people. Because it is kind of insane that like and I and I I said this a lot and I kind of believe it that like I'm probably too hot

for any like mainstream campaign to handle. Like I under s I'm sympathetic. Well, hold on. Before I would have said I agree with that. Now I think I would say I'm sympathetic towards that. I think now I'm less sympathetic with that. But it's insane that I would have to say like they should probably stay as far away from me as possible because I'm just way too much. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is like doing shows with Aiden Ross. Yeah. That's insane. Why don't we work the change?

Why don't you work with it? I'll do shows with Jank. I'll do shows with Jank. There's common cause between some of these people. And guess what? Tank was pretty base in a lot of moments. Tank was absolutely base. I had a good bonding moment with Medi. I loved chatting with him afterwards. It was a lot of fun. Um he was a cool dude. But um the issue is that All of the complained about earlier there's there's so many different

This is a lot. There's not like one thing for this, right? There's a lot of things at play. But another thing that's at play is that Republicans. lockstep with their messaging from Fox News to Rob Noorr. S tier. From the Daily Wire to A guy that goes on Tim Poole's show and has his own trouble. On the center left left media sphere, all of our most radical people hate

Our party. They hate our party. Yeah. Hassan was streaming to two or three hundred thousand people on Twitch. He hates the Democrats. Never advocates for whatever Kamala. Um Brianna Joy Gray or whatever was yeah, all these all the big fighting people on the line. Kyle Kalinske, although he's been based. He did, yeah. He was based for Kamala.

It's hard though to say that like I want you to vote for these people that are pro genocide that are pro-genocide. That's a hard one. So we need to get an identity. We need to find out where we stand. Yeah, but what it but the identity's never n it no no I'm sorry. Those people need to be ejected. They need to be not included and there needs to be more outreach to like your strong center left warriors. Hey, hold on one sec, Steve. Can you get the video working for'em? Um

It should be. Oh, I need to send it from there. Hold on one second. Can we have volume? Wait, can you play? Do we have volume on this computer? Uh yeah, I I'll set that. You can hear us okay there, buddy? I can't. Oh hold on one second. Let me let's adjust on our end. We're gonna adjust some things real quick. Oh wait. We hear you. Okay, can you see me? Yeah, hold on. Let me um yeah, so that we have we can hear you. We're just waiting to get our video for you. One second.

Uh which one do you want it to be be, Steve? Do you have the capture of LBS on your virtual page? Oh, is it already running? Okay. Hold on. Virtual camera's going. Oh wait, that's not right though. That should be there. Hold on. The blue one isn't there. One second. How's it going? I like your hair. We have similar hairstyles. I can't I can't see you. I should probably pull up something else. No, no, hold on. Hold on. Give it a second.

I had to literally find out from the YouTube chat how to work Discord. This is my first time I think ever using Discord. Uh that's o that's okay. How how old are you? Uh apparently apparently just off the cusp of how old I should be to use Discord. I'm thirty five, but in my defense. like I don't have any more time for other platforms at this point. So Discord Discord is the most uh important of all of those, okay? That's the the most based messenger.

the takeaway from this. That's fair, I think. Can you see us now? I can. I can awesome. We'll have Steve in a second. Of course. So where do you want to send nukes off to? I I'm I'm actually interested in in in talking about the conversation you guys were just talking about, which is like

What what we do to contend with with a right wing media ecosystem that looks the way it does right now. I mean we we've like the the thing that blows my Is how we've sat idly by on the left and just allowed the right to create this this m media infrastructure where they Fox and OAN and Newsmax and tw top the top 20 podcasts, like nine of them are right-wing podcasts. Megan Kelly, Dan Bongino, Ben Shapiro.

Um Joe Rogan, it's it's all just like this this gateway into into into just right wing ideology. They have They have Facebook, they have TikTok. And all the while All we do on the left is sit idly by and validate the same mainstream media outlets that are proving over and over that they do not want to be on Democrats' team. Like how many times do we have to watch the New York Times run front page stories on Hillary's emails before we recognize that maybe the New York Times isn't on our side?

And yet, instead of laying hands on progressive media, instead of validating progressive media, instead of calling to build up progressive media, Um they continue to like heap benefits, confer all these benefits onto the mainstream media that that's showing them through both sides, through Bad s like bad coverage that they just don't th they're not into it. They don't care. They don't care about I I think the issue is um

A and this is th there are so many different things that go into this. It's not simple. But I I think that things like the media a lot of this is downstream from another thing that I think is really important. Uh I I don't know if you have any children or if you've ever had a dog before, whatever but If somebody is allowed to do something and there's not a punishment for it, then they're gonna continue to do that behavior, especially if they reap something positive.

And one of the most frustrating things about the upcoming Trump president is uh I'm sorry, I don't care who you are, I don't care how you stamp delusional out of touch. Biden and this administration did a phenomenal job at riding the ship on this economy. We are outperforming every other economy in the world when it comes to metrics like inflation.

Bro, you want to talk about hire Dan is a small business computer guy over here. You wanna hire a computer programmer? You go to the United Kingdom, these guys make like fucking thirty five thousand quid a year, okay? The United States is in an amazing spot compared to the rest of the world. However, uh, we're not allowed to to take credit for it because there is no at the end of the day, there is no factual reduction to anything that's being said or to anything that's happened.

Like Trump is allowed to get on stage and simultaneously say things like, Uh, Aren't you happier now than we were or weren't you happier four years ago? Despite the fact that we were living in lockdown and they weren't happy four years ago. That's why they voted him out of office. There is no tens of thousands per day. There's absolutely zero accountability on the Republican side, and I think that.

There's there are other issues that I feel strongly about, especially you've seen me scream about things probably on stream. I feel strongly about misinformation, I feel strongly about policy, I feel strongly about immigration and foreign policy, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of that though is downstream, I think, from the lack of accountability.

Like, how many fucking times I know you for how many fucking times has a Republican come up to you and talked about uh Joe Biden calling all Republicans MAGA Republicans? Or about Hillary Clinton using the word deplorables, right? How man Bill um Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, how many of these people have written full articles about how they would never vote for Donald Trump? They're some of his biggest glazers today, right? It was Ben Shapiro first.

Who um on January seventh getting his wife fucking dominated. It was Ben Shapiro who, before I did, called it an i this was an insurrection. Nobody I don't even know if anybody in the media was using that term, and Ben Shapiro came out and said this was an insurrection, we have to be honest. And now it's like January tw Oh, you mean when the police led people through the building? Like there is no accountability on the Republican side for anything. Like it's yeah.

But but I mean that that that lends itself to the exact argument from before. That that that is that that's the benefit you get from having a right wing media ecosystem where their sole goal is not to like perpetuate accurate information. It's not even to hold these people accountable. They are they are a propaganda arm of the Republican Party. And we have no equivalency on the left. And and when I say equivalency, like we don't need somebody to just

Cheer can you are you allowed to curse on this stream? Yeah. There there's no equivalency. Like like we're not looking to to be cheerleaders in the same way that like that like you know Steve Bannon and all these people are gonna be cheerleaders for Trump. That fo that Fox and Friends are cheerleaders for Trump and and uh

We we we don't have any any equivalent in terms of like what we're able to do to to bolster Democrats and like we do to your exact point. I mean look at the economic condition that we have right if Donald Trump had the economy that we have today. Where he added sixteen million jumps. had the lowest unemployment rate in fifty years, a record high stock market. and the strongest economy on the planet and no recession after COVID.

You think he wouldn't be beating his chest on a daily basis? You think that guy wouldn't be filleting himself on national television? Donald Trump is simultaneously not at all responsible for COVID while getting to take credit for the lower immigration and everything under COVID while Joe Biden is responsible for all the inflation, like COVID never even happened, and gets no credit for writing the economy at all. It's right.

But the fact is he can show up on Fox News and they'll repeat this all day. And they start at five o'clock in the morning and it goes into their midday coverage and we end with Laura Ingram um uh And and end the evening with like Greg Gutfeld's comedy hour a and it just never stops and these people are pumped with this stuff all day long. All of their viewers are just have this information pumped into their veins.

To the point where now, four years later, you know, to your point, you were talking about the revisionist history when it comes to COVID. They think that that was some period of great prosperity. We were burying Americans in mass graves five years ago. Like what are we doing here? We lost three million jobs, the unemployment rate was six and a half percent, and the economy suffered an economic contraction. We are

When Donald Trump was president. And you want to say, oh yeah, it was COVID. Well, why did we have 5% of the world's population and 20% of the world's deaths? We yeah, mil like what was it three million or one million people? How many people died from COVID? It's millions. Mil yeah, but it's yeah, it's y you just can't you can't the thing that I keep stressing to people and I'll keep fighting on this

Um is uh we we live in a different we have a different set of rules right now. And this is what me and Peace Go fight over a lot. Yeah. I love Peace Co, he's a great guy. Um but uh I get frustrated when people keep saying like How like how much more can we train our MMA to beat this dude who keeps showing up with larger and larger machetes every time we have a fight?

You you cannot exist in this environment. I don't care for you, for Brian, for Biden, for Obama, anybody. You will never you cannot beat somebody who can take credit for Everything, even things they haven't done, and walk away from all accountability for the city. But I think Brian said it. I think Brian said it. Brian said there are some lines we will not cross. We're not necessarily needing to be as servile as Charlie Kirk.

or Steve Bannon. Um but there is value in I mean the Democrats were asleep at the wheel. Clearly that they had an advantage that we were lacking going into this fight and we got fucked. But that doesn't mean we just give up. And I think that there is something to build here. There's something to go forward on. And it but it can't be listening to the Chuck Schumers of the world and the New York Times of the world. It it can't be that'cause that doesn't work.

I mean at th at this point like we've we've seeded a lot of this ground. I think I think and a lot of the conversation I'm hearing around like the creator space is like we have to figure out how to how to communicate with people um in a way that we're not doing right now. Watching watching the right dominate especially with the issues that they have. Like there is no reason why we should have s why why this space should be so available to the right when your positions are like are like

Stripping women of reproducti like stripping w like blocking abortion rights and you're like a a n a nineteen year old guy? How how does that make any sense? Like how how do the how I we we've ceded this space so so thoroughly to them the fact that they're able to to win on issues like that really goes to show like the extent to which we are just absent in these spaces that we need to be in. Just read the YouTube comment.

Every time we're on a live stream, your YouTube comments, your live comments, they're all red pilled. Yeah. I I'm No, I'm just kidding. I mean it's gonna be it's gonna be our video is the back of our head. I wanna see the back of our head. Okay. Um

The um I do agree there were mistakes made before and actually I this is actually one of the things that I give uh Kamala's campaign a lot of credit for. Even though it was a little cringe, that um the white dudes for Harris stuff, I think stuff like that was really Because there was too much of this like finger waving at like white guys and men for too long that basically made it so that if you were a white guy, if you were a male, you had to go listen to Jordan.

You had to go listen to these red pillars because everybody in the in the mainstream like Democratic Party hated you, or it felt that way at least, on the culture front, right? On Twitter and in schools, it was just this constant demonization of what these mainstream, like main class people, yeah, majority class.

Feel like at this point like I gotta like go to a gym somewhere, start cycling H G H and like on camera, on live and be like that's my that's my gateway into the r into uh into like reaching zet Gen Z guys at this point. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean uh unironically

Uh uh unironically, yeah. Wha uh gimme gimme what do you so obviously we need to have more I wanna push I wanna push you and Pisco. Yeah. Because Pisco over here is being a little questioner, okay? Not answering a question. I'm curious. Like what do you think What needs to change? What needs to be better? How do you compete with a guy? Okay? Like we're gonna have a debate, and I'm gonna come out and I'm gonna say, well, actually, um, in case you guys didn't know, Brian is actually fucking safe.

And and they and half the audience believes it. How do you win a debate with a guy like that? What are you doing? Like how how do you what do you do? And it doesn't have to be personal way, but I just mean like in general, like the policy conversation the US like what do you do? How do you what what kind of media presence do we even be pushing for? Yeah.

I think you need candidates. Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, you go ahead and do it. Uh I was gonna say I think it's everything. I think it starts with having candidates with with some real identity be beyond anti Trumpism. Because anti Trumpism by itself did not work. The people had access to all the fucked up shit that Trump did and it wasn't enough. Didn't Trump want an anti wokeism though? What is he running on? He's running on a vision that like he at least can sell in a paragraph.

Yeah, well I I think that that's tr I mean we tried it before. When you ask someone like what does Trump represent, there are real things in your mind that are envisioned. When you ask what does the Democratic Party represent? I mean fuck if I know. Fuck if I know exactly like i any kind of generic democratic.

their what is their identity. I so I think that the candidate quality needs to change. You need to have people who can talk. Yeah. People who can actually talk and sound like real people. Um and I think that there are a lot of commentators in the I don't know liberal left socialists, whatever you wanna call it, frame like the space that can talk like real people. But for whatever reason we have some robots that we're running.

and who can't relate to the American people. They can't describe the positive things that they're doing and why it's affecting their lives in a you know, the But then you run the you run this huge risk of people just calling you out of touch. Like I feel like that's what happens with Democrats because I've like I've made these impassioned police people where I'm like, Bro, like you know, they were able to Biden did forgive some students.

or or you know we have expanded access to things like how the Sure, I but yeah but I mean if they say it too, then it's just immediately like, oh, these guys are out of touch. Well Hillary tried that with the America's already great. Bullshit. This country fucking sucks. Look and how does it how does Trump here's something that makes me mad, okay? There are legitimate citizens in in countries. that try to flee these countries, okay,'cause they're so fucked. In the United States

People will come to this country illegally for the opportunity to work here. To to work here. They'll come t they'll flee to this country illegally. They'll come to this country illegally to work here. But people say, why do illegal immigrants come here? To leech off of our amazing welfare state? Like i like they don't live in reality at all. How do you how do you contend with that? Sorry, I'm repeating myself.

I don't know, Brian, what do you think? Um I I think it's both the I I I think that the Democratic Party is run by some stooges and they aren't able to relate their messaging and the media uh is kind of following along in a way. If if they don't have candidates that they're excited about And i if the um, you know, people who have excitement aren't being led into the right doors and aren't in the right meetings, how can there be synergy?

I really do think like I I really do think the media is a huge part. I think the media is so much bigger of a part of this than any other I think our policies are correct. Like I think the vast majority of of democratic policies look looking to looking to combat climate change, looking to expand health care, looking to bolster unions. We have the we have the the the the pro

um looking to you know c continue pushing forward gun safety reforms. Like whatever it is, the policies are correct and the policies are popular. And that's by the way why we keep winning ballot initiatives. So people are voting in Missouri. I think there's there's a few things. One, we have to run people.

I think people who need to run who actually have personality and like charisma, I think that's a big part of it. And like are do could we will we miss out on some of the best legislators in the world? Yeah. Is it gonna matter if we don't get or those people don't get elected? No. Like that that's the reality of it. I I was who was it w um was it Patrick Leahy? Uh from Vermont.

Who retired because he was like a hundred and ten years old, right? Yeah. And he was replaced by a seventy two year old. Geriatric. Yeah. Who was that well who was that was it Feinstein that like died in Congress? Was like the young buck who took his his spot in the In the Senate. And he's as old as Biden.

Let me see. Uh He's he must be seventy two, I think. Seventy two, seventy two. No, it's definitely an issue. Age is we got a lot of old fucking Democrats. That is true. I I mean some of the most popular ones too, like Bernie.

True. Yeah, that's true though, because a lot of people say we need to replace some younger people. A lot of those younger people would be like, I'd vote for Bernie and a Harvey. I don't know how many would actually vote for, but yeah. No, for sure. I mean it's it's a matter it's not really a matter of age so much as it is like a matter of like uh of of being able to communicate with people. Like Bernie Bernie

He's he's clearly able to do that even now. And his message has been he he is probably the most consistent messenger in the entire Democratic Party. His message is never strayed. But like we only have a few positions where like we only have a at this point, forty eight, forty seven, forty six senators in the US Senate and to to squander one of those seats on somebody who was like, yes, next in line because he was a you know a congressman and now he's gonna be a senator.

Who can't ever accept Marion? You know, it just seems so wild that in these rare opportunities where we have people who are in positions where they can actually have an audience and have the ability to talk to people, we keep using it for for like for Not not just people who are too old, but certainly people who are too old, but people who aren't able to connect with regular people. And so whereas Republicans have Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and like these people who do regular

as as as reprehensible as I think they are, who do resonate with their audiences. We have like we have Peter Well two dozen who who nobody would be able to recognize if if if he was sitting on the Absolutely. Every one of these, you know, conservatives that you mentioned, they're superstars. They're like

movie stars. You know, Ted Cruz, Matt Gates, Marjorie Taylor Green. They they're people that like everyone's excited to see them when they come. Like all these MAGA supporters, when they walk in the room, they they light up the room. No one really is excited. Like, would you be excited to see Chuck Schumer as someone would be to see like Okay, but hold on. Okay. To fuck the electorate, okay? Because

These are the people you voted for. Not you. Me too. Right? Because people will say things like, uh, and this is why I'm also not sure if I believe it sometimes. 'Cause people say things like, Why do we have fucking Biden? Who's Well what do you mean? Look at all the other options you had to choose from and you didn't pick any of them, right? Why I don't know if the the superdelegates were the reason why Biden managed to be

uh, you know, Kamala, Pete, um the the the twenty other fucking people on that stage, right? Like the electorate chooses you same thing you look at like people like Nancy Pelosi, right? What is it? Congress has like a nine percent approval rating, but your own representative has like an eighty percent approval rating? Like they keep choosing them over and over again, so

Like arguably the only way that the Republicans were able to change so much to some extent was because of like an abandonment of we don't really have like the Republican Party anymore, right? We've got like Trump's party. Like it is it is Donald Trump's party. There is no party without Donald Trump, right? Whereas for the Democratic side, Biden got pushed out. That's fine. There's no leader of the Democratic Party right now. Um Yeah, I I I I don't know if um

Yeah. Listen, I I don't think you have to accept all of people like Hassan's Worldview. To say that maybe they had a semblance of the point when when we nominate I thought I again, I think Biden did a great job, but when you nominate someone like Biden, you're plain scared. You're playing you're constantly playing on defense. And I I constantly feeling all these risk.

Trump literally lost to Biden and they renominated him. And we're the ones that are scared. It goes to voters, it goes to voters and but it also goes to the media infrastructure. Okay. And and I think that Democrats are always scared and anxious. And even felt it yesterday. I mean

Obviously the it's Yeah, but we're scared because we're playing in the same world. Republicans aren't scared because they know they're gonna win. Or it was rigged. Like what a great worldview to have. They he was already calling it rigged when the when Philadelphia was just being reported. What the fuck? Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah.

gonna say the same thing. I I I'm I'm in complete agreement. Like they they're I think Democrats are scared because like we know the stakes and and and Welsh there's nothing to be there's nothing for Republicans to be afraid of. Like what Biden comes into office The the fact the reality is that the last three republic the last three Democratic presidents that have come in have all cleaned up recessions from Republicans. What what do they have to be afraid of? True!

Nothing for for a Republican to be afraid. What a Democrat comes into office and we add jobs and we fix the economy? So of course they're not afraid. Worst case scenario, we just have better economic conditions than when than when we started. Absolutely true. Democrats are scared because if Republicans take power, then we have assholes like fucking uh um uh John Eastman and and you know, Rick Grinnell and and uh and all these guys that are gonna be in power promising to

This is why there's a huge disparity here. This is why when things like the immunity ruling happened, they pissed me off so much because realistically Republicans aren't worried about criminal immunity for a pr'cause what the fuck is a Democrat gonna fucking do with it? What what do g like drive with a suspended license and not be held accountable? What nothing literally nothing is gonna happen. But we're, on the other hand, right?

We have Biden in office right now who is able to wield whatever immunity ruling the Supreme Court handed down. They said anything that falls under the umbrella. Sorry, sorry, uh these guys don't like that by the way, and they called me stupid when I said it. But now we're all starstruck. They're like, Whoa, hey, wait a second, this is a great idea. You know what you are, you're just a sexier version of me. Now they're on the fucking train. That's it.

I'm just saying it is so we Democrats know that we are so unwilling to use the levers of power that we have at our disposal that it's almost like a uh it's laughable the prospect of Joe Biden Actually, doing anything that the Supreme Court has just given him carte blanche to do. We we we took control of government. Merrick Garland was so afraid of the optics of a politicized DOJ that he didn't lift a finger against.

For inciting a fucking insurrection for like two years before he finally deigned to appoint Jack Smith as a special counsel. And so Trump was able to prop up an entire presidential campaign and get it run. Before we even appointed Jack Smith to get moving on him inciting an insurrection against the US government. That's how scared Democrats are to wield power when they have to.

Crazy how that didn't happen. I wish he would have shown half as much hustle as he did appointing her to do his little report on Biden as he did with uh with Donald Trump, uh bullying his employees around to hide boxes of classified fucking material that he was showing fucking reporters. Okay? Christ. I don't want to retread that ground because I think that there listen, uh there's a discussion to be had.

Personally I don't put that the blame on Merrick Arland there and I think that there are problems in advocating what I think I'm hearing is Democrats should use the Department of Justice for political. Like it's supposed to be. We had a bit sorry, we had a big fight over this last night. You're good. Go ahead. In fact, him not taking action against Donald Trump for his crimes, that is

That is the weaponization of government because that's saying that you're that's politicizing the DOJ. But action was action was taken, Brian. Right. And what d what did that do? That emboldened that emboldened all of these people to either continue committing crimes or or basically prop up an entire camp it like prop up an entire campaign that would ultimately result in a a winning presidential bid for Donald Trump.

I mean we c we like the American people didn't even have a chance to see him make his case in court because here we are, four years later, and for something he did in January of twenty twenty one we still haven't seen accountability for it. And now we're gonna have

Uh we're gonna have all these people walking free? Do you think it's gonna pardon just a seditious conspiracy guys? You think he's gonna pardon everyone? Every everyone's out. Everyone's out with a vengeance and and uh And they're already asking by the way, like the the insurrectionists who are in court right now, um I I believe like this morning are already asking for their for their uh Uh for these cases to be stayed pending whatever Donald Trump is gonna do and his promises to uh to par

Listen, I I I hear you guys a hundred percent. You guys are thinking that this would have made a difference the the extra two years and it would have made Trump an unsuccessful presidential candidate. What's your evidence for that? I mean the American people have had access

And Yeah, there but there's there's a difference in terms of what breaks through. It is so look, when you're w pol p political freaks like us, when we watch everything happening on a daily basis and and like folks that are highly informed, that's one thing. Uh but the vast majority of Americans aren't paying attention and it and it i if that means it would take an actual trial or Sentence for them to find out. pay attention. Did you see the number of uh there was some tweet somewhere

where the s the search terms for is Joe Biden did Joe Biden drop out yesterday. People don't pay attention to this stuff and it takes a lot to have something like this break through and we deprived ourselves of the ability for him to actually be held accountable and for Americans to to actually be made aware of what he did.

And instead he just pretty much got away scot-free because it sucks at like that one um it sucks at the one thing that we did see was it was bad and it got downplayed, the ne the New York case, but it was definitely the weakest of the four. And um it's so good. It it sucks because like it should have gone to trial because that's what is supposed to happen. But I wish that wasn't the one that went to trial. Yes. Like you have to weigh

Should it have gone to trial because it should have gone to trial? Yes. In a vacuum, sure. But like from a media pers a narrative perspective, it's a very difficult time. That's that is true. I would like to though bring us back to reality because You better fucking believe.

That if Joe Biden had abandoned his wife, who had just had a child four months earlier, to fuck a porn star and then And then taken money and misappropriated or reported it falsely using a fucking lawyer to to to buy and kill that sort of you better believe.

That that would have been talked about for months by conservatives. So even though it might not have played well on our side, again, I do agree that it would have been nicer to to to see that documents case go to court. That documents case Crazy.

It's not a good thing. Because a lot of people don't even know. Yeah, people don't even know. Like fuck the document shit. Like the main charges are related to obstruction. Him telling not Nadu to move around all that shit in in Mar-a-Lago and the bo and him picking and choosing the boxes that he wanted to take with him.

When he was going back, like that's insane. I mean that was a slam done case is obvious. Yeah. And it it is a travesty of justice that that will never see the light of day in a courtroom. I'm with you. But the American people I'm sorry. Do you think that they're gonna that Trump's gonna basically investigate Biden?

Honest to God, no. You don't do it to Clan Trump is very much a person that exists in time and once he's elected, Biden will be in his roof, he won't give a fuck. He'll be like, Oh cool, and he'll just go on and do whatever the fuck.

like what's immediately in front of him. I think that he'll say whatever he needs to say to like appeal to people. Everybody wants blood. All these repo all these Republicans think that the Biden they've been groomed into thinking that the Biden crime family you know, villains in the history of the world and so if in the moment it means that they can finally prosecute Biden for all of his crimes, even though they've had what, sixteen months to investigate crimes in the Republican

led oversight committee and judiciary committee found nothing. Um still, like, that'll be convenient for him in the moment. But once he's in and it doesn't serve him anymore, like he doesn't have long standing principles. He has the m he doesn't have any like memory

Like it's just whatever he has to say at any given moment to help him in that moment and then it's gone. He's like he's like a goldfish. He exists in in just in the present. Can I can I ask you the how much Epstein stuff is there that's still classified or not released? Do you know? And I wonder if there's a way that's a little bit more than a little bit Biden can just say fuck it, here it is, I'm I'm releasing all of it.'Cause I remember they asked Trump about this. They said, Hey Trump

So would you release all the stuff about Area fifty one? He said, Absolutely. Would you release all the stuff about JFK? Sure. Just them off. It's like n and Epstein he's like, Well, you know, a lot of people might get caught up in that. I don't think it's a good idea. So yeah, why not just release all of the Epstein stuff today?

It's it it's not gonna n nothing matters. Um well I don't know. I don't know what's in there. The th here's the thing. The thing is if they released the Epstein files, it would it could only hurt the Democrats. How could it be? Because there's already pictures of fucking Donald Trump with like every fucking sex offender known to mankind and nobody gives a fuck.

So if they released a list and it had ninety nine Republicans on it who were MAGA and one Democrat, that Democrat would be the exclusive headline for the entire story. That would be it. You don't think there's I mean, I guess there can't be. If there was like a video or something crazy incriminating Trump, an actual like Kid fucking at this point it would have been released.

Don't they have that recording that just got released from the Daily Beast where they literally came out and s and and had a recording of of Epstein saying that like Donald Trump's friend for ten years? Yeah, this is this is a party that brands itself

The party of family values. And Law and Order. How how did it take so long for them to do this, by the way? Do you do you think it's just that the Democrats are fundamentally incompetent at like their job? Like all this stuff just coming out at the last minute, running the worst campaigns. Doing the worst shit that ain't that nobody cares about. No, it's because the Democrats are so fucking good at our job.

It's that even though the Republicans are these massive fucking anchors that we have to attach another boat, we just get better and better at rowing. That's why Obama had that's why Bill Clinton ran budget surpluses, okay? That's why Obama came in and had a clean up. after the fucking two thousand seven, two thousand eight crisis. It's why Biden had to come in and clean up after the disaster that was COVID.

Right. And it's why Trump is gonna get to sit back now and receive and enjoy an economy where he gets to benefit from an infrastructure bill that he couldn't pass. Where he gets to claim that pre-existing ideas was his idea, okay, with a Republican idea, the thing that he dedicated himself to killing on day one of his administration. He gets to benefit from every single thing the Democrats did. If I was a Republican, I would love the Democrats.

If I was the Republicans, I might I might throw the Democrats a bone just because they've been helping me so much. Okay, prop up my all of my administrations. I mean what I mean he said earlier we had eight years of of Obama, where's my socialism and communism? We had four more years of Biden, where's my socialism and communism? And then we had four years of Trump and now we have a president that commit commit crimes with impunity. What the hell are you gonna do about it?

I'm gonna sit here and make a lot of money complaining about it. Yeah. That's that's the toughest part because you look at Project twenty twenty five, there's there's the schedule F aspect of it where he can basically right now we have I think like a few thousand career civil uh a few thousand political appointees and then hundreds of thousands of

So like career civil servants that staff the rest of the government. These are these are prosecutors that work at the DOJ, people who are are legitimate, are legitimate, you know, career civil servants to the point where even Bill Ball Had to say that Donald Trump's claims of fraud in 2020 were bullshit because there was no basis for them, and all of the people that he worked with were not gonna validate those claims.

Now imagine all of those people become political appointees, and you have no more career civil servants. You have people who are loyal not to the Constitution. Not to statute, but rather to Donald Trump himself. And so I I don't know what happens if in the 2020 eight election. Um you know some right wing militia group says, oh we we saw fraud at the uh in the whatever center it was, the the Detroit whatever center. Uh there these these votes are not

In Detroit, these votes are not accurate in Milwaukee. These votes aren't accurate in Philadelphia. And so all of those have to be like thrown out. These voting machines have to be seized in the Democratic population centers in all of these states. And Donald Trump's uh DOJ goes, you know what, we think you're telling the truth, and uh we're gonna vacuum.

These claims. There's no backstop to any of this stuff. Then I don't know. I mean, how do you win an election if you're a Democrat, if all of a sudden somebody cries from somebody, you know, some turning point USA kid cries fraud somewhere in Detroit and then all the Detroit votes are at risk. How do you win the state of Michigan without Detroit? How do you win the state of Pennsylvania without Phil? Yeah, and you're thinking of Milwaukee without with

Do you think that's like also you're thinking you're thinking small time, right? Because they can just go after the state legislatures. If you have a state legislature that's on your side or enough people in there, you just flip the electoral vote. That's it. You just have to send in another slate,'cause that's what they're trying to do. We don't even need to fight fraud. They can just have the the state legislature send in a totally different batch of electors and then boom, you're done.

Let's say the Republican Senate kills the filibuster and they pass into law the independent state legislature theory, which says that any election rule Have to be passed by the state legislature and they're subject to zero oversight from the governor or any courts. Whatever the state legislature says goes.

And then the state legislatures come in and say, Okay, well uh you know, one th there's no early voting, everything has to have a paper ballot, we decide who who counts the paper ballots, it's only gonna be our people, all of the uh Jerry uh all of the the you know uh commissions that will ultimately gerrymander the states they're they're composed of of all Republicans. Like there is so much they could do with unified control of government. So so look I think that's a good idea.

Like, give people, I don't want to make people despair in in terms of hearing this. It's obviously something that we have to keep in. But like there is a lot they could do depending on how far they want to push the end. Well the the question is how likely do you think this is based on uh the previous tenure that Trump's had in the White House and what he's said so far? Do you think this is something that is going to happen absolutely, or do you think this is like a lot of Democrats just uh

freaking out and it won't actually get to this point and he's not actually gonna go and replace everyone with loyalists or or what. So should we actually be panicking or like well if you had to put odds on this, but how much are you betting? Right? Uh predict it. No, we're on polymarket right now. What are the odds? But Um look I would say

I don't know. I mean it's it's in between the two that you said. You said is it guaranteed or is it just Democrats panicking? I think it's somewhere in between. We're talking about a guy who tried to get his vice president to unilaterally anoint him the winner of the election that he lost. This is a guy who called

states to get them to like seize the voting machines. Do I put it past Donald Trump to try and rig the election in this party's favor? This guy stops at nothing. So like I don't know right now, maybe maybe Give him some benef benefit of the doubt that he definitely doesn't deserve and say like sixty five percent?

Well I I guess the the qu what we need to do is we need to uh we need to distract him with other stuff so he forgets about appointing all these people over the next four years. Well that's one thing. I think that we can rely on him to continue to be incompetent, to continue to be absent minded and to be But the problem is he's controlled by people that aren't sweating.

The only thing that stopped Trump last time were a lot of bureaucratic people. It was people who were working in the office of the vice presidency, giving counsel to Mike Penn. It was peo surprisingly enough, it was people like William Barr. It was the assistant AGs in the Department of Justice who were willing to stand up and say they'd resign if Trump did crazy shit. But if we if we schedule F.

And now Trump has the ability to dig into these b these uh these offices and these departments and say, Hey, I don't like that associate AG. I'm gonna fucking fire that guy. Something he shouldn't be able to do, but maybe not could like that

Yeah, that that's the issue is that the things standing before him. Actually let's between him and what he wanted before, those things might be gone now. This is a really interesting question. Let's take it back to the twenty twenty election. Let's say that he already did have loyalists installed in Georgia.

Which was basically Trump would still be president or we would be in a civil war. Let's say that they said, you know what, these we're not certifying these, these people, they were fake, we're sending these ones, go ahead and sign it, Mike Penn. Would Mike Pence and I guess let's say Mike Pence signed it. Where would we really be today with just that one event if the people in Georgia were loyal to him? What what's your honest take of what would have happened?

Okay, well well if Georgia plus another or you know two or three like if you're saying like if he had enough states to actually flip it so Yeah. I'm not gonna count or he just counts the other slits of electors and then Trump is gabbled in as the winner. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the path is it goes to the Supreme Court.

And Eastman said they probably wouldn't hear it'cause it was a political question. So they would invoke the political questions doctor and say it's too hot for us to handle and then everybody would sit around with their thumbs up their asses and go, Oh, well, fuck us, I guess. Or sorry, you tell me what you think will happen.

Yeah, that's real. And remember, you're talking about the same party where Gore conceded, okay, on December third twelfth or whatever. Yeah, wait, give a give a real answer to this. Like imagine that Vice Penn uh that Penn But um so so I think in that case it probably does fail and and we did see that. You know, look they they won zero court cases related to these fake electors and they would go on to actually prosecute a number of these fake electors.

So clearly that that wouldn't have held up in court. And I don't think that the Supreme Court I mean we we did see to your exact point Eastman bring up this claim uh when he was uh investigated by the January 6th committee and he did say that they likely wouldn't wouldn't have even heard it. And and I don't think that they would

But if they wouldn't have heard it then you're fucked, right? Because then Wha wh are they gonna ish what do you the problem is that like on on some procedural law, right, where you can issue a stay or you can do whatever, you're like you're sitting around waiting for somebody to make a payment or you're sitting around like

waiting for whatever. But if it's like January tenth, eleventh, January eighteenth, and people are legitimately looking around it's like, Wait, wait we haven't counted the electoral votes or we haven't we're disagreeing still on these and now it's like January twentieth is approaching. Like I I think the the scary thing is people don't people don't know what would have happened.

Right? Like would you just go through the ceremony without the votes having been counted? Like somebody besides Pence would have counted them? Like there's no I don't think there's a provision in the ECA for that to happen. It would just be I I think the issue is they just wanted to kick the can down the road until basically people were like, It's fucking too complicated now, just he's in a second term, I think, is the is the worry.

Trump even said himself, like we heard his quote, just leave it up to just leave it up to you know, just just leave it up to us and and and me and Republican congressmen will take care of it. That was literally the guy's quote. Yeah, call it call the just call the election corrupt and leave the rest up to me and the Republican.

Exactly. So so I think he was banking on delay and that and that did really redound to his benefit for a lo I mean, i the best that it could have done, actually. Like he he got pretty damn close um in in with that delay in kind of the

of disinformation that was put forward by by Fox News, by all of these right-wing anchors. I mean Fox had to tack right to to keep to stay on par with like with OAN which was eating into their share. So they had everybody using this delay, using that vacuum to just fill with more disinformation.

I don't know. I mean it's it's impossible for me to say like what would have actually I wanna ask one last question and I'll let these these guys go to you. I I posted to them and they didn't really have an answer. So Biden has three months left. Would you have him do anything specifically at this time? Or would you just have him sit there with his thumb up his ass?

one single lesson from the past and not keep watching our Supreme Court justices die in office while their Republican counterparts get replaced by like thirty eight year olds. So we had this conversation yesterday, me, Pisco and do you know a guy online, uh Josiah or Pondering Politics I've I've I've heard of pondering policy.

You've just heard of him? He's an amazing political YouTuber, but okay, I'll let that side okay. Um no no, I'm just kidding he's a friend. He's a really, really good uh political YouTuber. Um but the uh so me, him and Pisco were having a conversation about um the Supreme Court thing. And I think me and Josiah, um who love and cherish the Supreme Court, unlike Pisco here, who is the Supreme Court Header, we immediately were like

Um Sotomayor and Kagan should just step down. We need new justices. But then the immediate um fear was Would you have the chance, because you only need one senator, one Democratic senator, to go, Well, I don't know if we should put in a new Supreme Court justice.

when the American people have already spoken. It only takes one and now you've just given up. Can they rescind their resignation or does it only happen? They can rescind it. Oh yeah. So that's a problem. Can you actually? Yeah, yeah, there you go. It's a good call because like who who who do we have right now? Who are the maybes? Cinema and Mansion. like there is I I actually don't th I think she would be more likely to to like give it a hard no than

than than to do it. So at this point I I don't know. I mean like what could what could Trump I I'm hoping people a lot smarter than me are going through and figuring out ways to entrench I mean not that it's gonna

like to entrench a lot of the policies that they've passed thus far or to make it harder for Donald Trump to to to do what he's gonna do in office w uh as far as it relates to like climate stuff or healthcare stuff or or whatever it is. But but the thing is if the government is stacking like the Jeffrey Clarks of the world and the John Eastmans of the world, is that gonna matter? And then what, they'll appeal to the Supreme Court? And forget yeah.

I forget the who's staffing the government. You also we don't really even truly know like what grounds we're standing on with this court, right? Where you could snap your fucking fingers And tomorrow Roe and Casey are gone. And then the next day, uh, Chevron is gone. And then the ne like who knows what major doctrines are about to be flipped by

Because there is no respect for any prior decision. So who who knows like what power the the executive office could have, or who knows but yeah, that's it's a it's a yeah, it's a very shaky ground, I think, judicially. Yeah, I mean th there's like there's almost no point in trying to like shore up stuff right now because like that that would that would That would suggest that that Republicans would be a little bit more than a little bit.

respect any of that. Yeah, true. I I was just arguing with this. There are there are things that can be done that can't be undone. Like the uh someone brought up in chat there was restrictions we currently have on the munitions that we gave to Ukraine. We could just lift them. You could say there's no more restrictions on your long range missiles yet. We can do that and then that can't be undone. Right? Once that's done.

Yeah. I think we have like six billion dollars in aid that Biden Biden announced like today that he's trying to push through. So we have like the clock has started now and I think the final six billion dollars in aid is is on its way to Ukraine. So like that is one

Example, I don't know, buy an entire fleet of whatever government vehicles there are, put in the order now and pay for it for EVs so that we don't have gas powered vehicles. Like I don't know, I don't really know what what much you can do, but but hopefully there's some like Hopefully there's some infrastructure we can put in place. um or or payments we can make that like that will at least entrench some clean energy stuff that can that can help Ukraine while we still have the chance.

Yeah, I I I agree with you. I think there there are things that we can do that can't just be undone with executive action. Like if you if you drop a chandelier on the floor, it's broken. There's nothing that you can do. If you pardon someone, they're pardoned. You can't put them back in jail. There are things that Biden can do today. The question is what of those are impactful enough that he should be focusing on in the next three months to really

stifle as much of kind of whatever policies are of Trump are gonna be the most damaging coming up uh over the next four years. What can he do very quickly to break a chandelier that Trump can't just Unclick. It's broken. I think our time is much better spent. I mean, uh I'm just gonna be frank at this point. Biden failed us or we failed Biden, but

we need to focus on what we can do to improve ourselves. And that's why I think y you know, I respect this conversation. I love it. And I I really no one hates what happened on Daniel Sergio more than me. No one is more critical of it. Really nobody hates it more than you? I Yeah, I've talked about this is like my raison d'etre. It's like my organizing principle. The thing I talk about. Yeah.

No-namers on Discord about To be fair. I'm like the J6 guy. I didn't care about J6 until Pisco argued it with me. True. I mean we had like a 12-hour argument where Pisco's like, Don't you think Donald Trump was in a derelict of duty and I was like, I don't know, what was he even supposed to do? We are we literally argued about it for the day. I didn't even yeah, I didn't even care. And and I I I I respect that conversation in the conversation and we should use January sixth tactically, but

I see even this conversation. We're gonna stuck in our ways. We just spent twenty five minutes. kind of theory crafting about other Jane Six alternatives, right? And we're not Focused on what we can do to change ourselves. I agree. That should be what we should be doing. So here's my okay, so here's just my one thing, and then I'll get your take on it. And then please go Okay, this is it's sociopathic, I admit. Okay.

I wish that it was easier to tie um to tie accountability to the decisions that people make. Like it And again, I know this sounds sociopathic, but like it hurts to see Republicans voting against things like FEMA aid and then being the largest recipients of it. It hurts to see people, uh Republicans and alternative conservative media undermine things like FEMA, and then when a disaster happens.

Fucking one hour later, Biden is on the phone with every single Republican governor. You know, what do you need? Tell me what you need. I'll come down, I'll call you I'll call you, I'll send whatever. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is, you know, saying to to California, Fuck'em. They don't need help for the wildfires. You know what? They didn't fucking approve my plans in Northern Cup. Fuck these guys, right?

There has to be some way. How many, how much do we hear about how horrible the federal spending is? How many Republicans turned down the COVID stimulus to shore up all their state budgets from the American Rescue Plan, right? There has to be a way to tie consequences in the war. And you say dear glorious leader d uh Joseph Biden today and you

Talk it up like Charlie Kirk does. You talk it up. You have some kind of infrastructure to get the message out because holy fuck. It is it is it's an infrastructure problem. Like you you have to remember the I feel like and I've said this for so long, Republicans have like a morning meeting where they all decide what they're gonna talk about and they are so coordinated in their messaging and they do it across every platform and they own

platform and they do it in people's AM radios, they do it in the podcast that they run run Roughshod Over Democrats on. They own YouTube, they own Rumble, they own Discord, like every single platform. They are coordinated in their messaging and they repeat this stuff over and over until it's seared into everybody's cerebral cortexes. How many times did we see the trans the trans transgender inmate surgery commercial on TV on the selection cycle?

Five hundred million dollars into that commercial so that everybody would see it. That is their strategy. They repeat this stuff over and over again. There's a reason that Donald Trump's build the wall, make America great again, lock her up

Like all of this stuff is just the the the product, the brain child of of the product of repetition and they do it really well. And that's why all this stuff sticks. And like we have so much. The Democrat Al Franken has a joke where he said the Democrats bumper sticker would end C next bumper stickers. Trump. Yeah, well... What do you got? Media Empire. Find a way. You guys, I mean the young Turk.

Uh Brian Destiny. Wish me luck. Tomorrow I go on Piers Morgan. You guys need to find common cause because right now our leaders are not doing the job they need to be. The democratic leaders in charge right now are failing at their job. You need to break bread with whoever it is that you're beefing with or whatever's going on and find a way to win because losing sucks. And we're losing bad in terms of the the info wars. I think that you guys are young, dynamic.

Um people like you should gather together and we should start fighting on their ground, on their turf, and and make some inroads. Someone should make a big buy the brand. But uh I honestly think that they're soul searching and I think that it starts like you guys said, um, with making sure our our message is getting across and and making sure that we're not Constantly on fucking defense because that sucks all the time to be having to like be brushing aside their narrative.

and you know, debunking what they said about cats and dogs and Haitians and Puerto Ricans or whatever, right? Yeah, but we're never gonna win being the honorable party. That's what you guys don't get, okay? Half the population is fucking stupid. Okay? It's just it's just fucking true, okay? Like you're not gonna win being like, No guys, that's not true. Here's let me explain.'Cause they won insulting us.

Stupid. It's that the media apparatus on the conservative side, like he said, it like Ryan said, it is lockstep. Bro, I would see one talking point. Uh about like uh yeah the squirrel thing or the Kamala Koo thing. Like I would see it in one place and in like

30 minutes. I don't know if they get like fucking orders. Yeah, every single person is all of a sudden. There's like some fucking hippie in the forest who voted for Trump who like has this messaging dropped to him by fucking carrier pigeon who's like, oh shit. Oh Kamala did do a coup and it's undemocratic. Gotcha, there's the marching orders. Like it's it's insane. But the people, because we drag these people onto, you know, Twitter space and we talk to'em, like they're not dumb.

They know all the talking points. They can give you all the data. It's just wrong because they're media apparatus. They're getting the wrong information. They're getting the wrong narratives. And we need to both be on their show. Free education campus. No, no, no. Go on to Peers. You do a fucking great job. Medi does a great job on fucking peers.

Brian does a great fucking job in Pierce. Go on their places and make your own spaces as well to compete with them. I think it needs to be an all on hands effort. That that's a great point. And and I have you know, I I was of the don't go on Fox News, you can't validate Fox News as a platform a few years ago, and then I realized like what are you gonna do? Are you gonna like

seed this ground to the right where let's face it, people are watching anyway. The fact that you don't go on doesn't make it any more uh doesn't make it any less real that millions of people are consuming Fox News or any of these other platforms. on a daily basis. So you can either you can either you know have your high ground

Two people, that's okay. That's two more people that that would have heard your argument than uh than than would have if you opted not to go. Like Pete Butter just been doing, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. And you do it well, Brian does it well, and Maddie does it well. And Chang and Jing does it well. Fuck it. Cool. Let's do it. The cope is fucking What's the code? What's the case? Can we turn the fucking Cope B C on? It's getting a little fucking hot in here.

The president By the way, these guys don't agree. Let me just say my thing,'cause maybe he d he agrees with me, I hope. I said there are things that the President can do in the next three months to make a loss a lasting impact. So that we can have a change and basically Ukraine just doesn't get handed over to Russia. And I said as an example of that, you could just say the President Biden tomorrow could say

We're doing a delivery of some fucking tactical nukes or some long range missiles. Brian answered you. He said it's it's on the margin, it's little things, but it's not gonna move the needle one way or the other. I'm saying he could do that. Tomorrow he could go and he could do a delivery of whatever he wanted to to Ukraine, and that would have an impact. That trouble He can't just take it back. Once you've given it, it's done. So there are things I don't

I don't subscribe to the idea that let's not worry about what's the next three months happens, let's just m think about next time. No, let's fuck it. There's three months. Fucking be smart about it. Do something in this next three months that slows down the catastrophe. And these guys aren't willing to think about it. What do you think? You two shut the fuck up. Uh look I agree. I think we should t make the most of any opportunity. I like I can't think of any specifics, but yeah, like if there

Opportunities, sure. Thank you, sexy Dan. I appreciate it. You're a fucking smart guy. But I'm not gonna say don't use the opportunities. Like it's you know, don't use whatever opportunities are in front of us. Biden has the Biden has the power for the next like you know two months while he's still a lame duck president.

Sure, use that power to do whatever you can. Um I think ultimately it probably will be a a to to a certain extent a drop in the bucket because like you also remember it's not just that like Aid to Ukraine will dry will dry up. We're also welcoming in an administration that promises to be like vehemently pro Russia. Anti NATO, yeah. It's scary. It's scary that what happens because I feel like i if Trump does something, like if hypothetically it's like we're leaving NATO.

That's like what the fuck really happens then. Oh, that's another good example. Can we possibly like I know this sounds stupid, can we re-sign our lease with NATO for like another ten years? Can we do that? Yeah, no, like do we have a lease or something? Can we can we like uh get all of our roommates to agree and re sign the lease for NATO and a few other of these agreements right now and like add ten years or four years to it? Like these are the types of things I'm talking about. Yeah.

Like everything is only as secure as the next person decided And so we're in NATO and NATO is strong today, but like if Donald Trump decides to come out of it because he wants to pander to Putin and Putin's like biggest dream wish list item is to have the US pull out of NATO, then like that could happen. So is there is there no way to like

prevent that or slow it down? There's no re signing the lease, huh? No, I mean what did Donald like what did Trump do the the day he uh he pulled us out of the Paris climate agreement? Like that was like day one. Yeah. Right. Well, it it's by trade agreements with all the other countries, right? Maybe you pay. Yeah. I really don't I don't know

answer that. I mean this is like the basic Biden should be smarter people than us should be right now thinking about what is it that Biden can do right now with his unilateral power and do it right away if he can to slow down and stop Trump in any way over the next four years.

But yeah, no, no, I would I would agree. Wire. It's my position as my position as well. I just don't think it's the most productive area and I think the better productive area is to think about what the fuck we're gonna do. Because

Whether we like it or not, those are gonna be people who are doing what they're gonna be doing anyway. That doesn't affect what we I think it's important to think about the future, but um w there ha like if we know that Trump's about to go ham with this unilateral power. Biden Biden better be thinking some smart stuff, declassifying some stuff.

Signing some papers that can't be unsigned, dropping some glasses that can't be put back together. I don't know what that is, what it look likes, but whatever it is, I think um I hope he does it. I am gonna be really disappointed if nothing happens in the

next three months that we know of of substance to slow down the disaster that's coming. I was actually a little bit disappointed to be honest with Kamala's uh resignation speech essentially there that it was so like, well, you know, we'll be here. I feel like a lot's on the table and that was just very

Not bleak enough, not not powerful enough, not compelling enough to me. I was you know, that's really nice. This is like the story of Democrats. They're so nice and like, hey, you know, we did our best. I I called President Trump and I said, Wow, great job and I I know you love our country. I feel like that was the wrong thing. Like the whole country's at at at stake right now in it. It feels like So many people are like how guys you're overreacting. So I don't know. That was my yeah.

Do you think that um I'm just curious in terms of like showing up to the next inauguration and working with the next administration to assist with the peaceful transfer power and all that what? They'll do it. They're gonna they're gonna do Like it's gonna they're gonna they're gonna whatever he needs, they're gonna do the whole thing. It's it's that's the asymmetry at play. They're gonna give the exact same they're gonna confer the exact same benefits on the Trump that he sought to deny.

Biden's incoming administration of to a T. Like every single thing Trump couldn't be fucking bothered to lift a finger to do, uh, Biden's administration will do for Trump. And that's just how it goes. And and if if something doesn't happen The second Donald Trump says uh Like oh how dare he not give classified uh you know daily brief to to Donald Trump as he's incoming. Meanwhile you have like Trump still like

Trying to w wage insurrection against Joe Biden as his administration having six D to prepare to become president. I'm cautiously asking this'cause I intentionally didn't go and look for it and I don't even know if I want to know the answer to this. Somebody I saw people in my chat tap me earlier. Is it true? That motherfucking Ben Shapiro was saying that it was shameful that Kamala was waiting so long to concede her campaign. Did he actually say that?

Was it Ben Shapiro? I don't know. It was some people. In the Daily Mail they underlined Kamala finally consistently. in Daily Beast that said class that called her classless because she waited to concede. Waited to concede to the guy. It's been four fucking years since Donald Trump conceded to Joe Biden. Yeah and and but and yet Kabala is classless for waiting like six hours to concede Donald Trump.

That's the power. Take it. It's yours. I don't know what power is mine, but okay. Well, hey, thanks a lot, man. We appreciate it. Any final words or anything you wanna? Leave us with this was fun. Thanks for letting me on. I appreciate it. Let's uh let's do this more. We have to figure out how to like find more people, like reach more people where they are and uh With an A R? Hold on, slow down. Hold on. Hold on.

Thanks a lot, man. We really appreciate it. The I I'll I'll just plug him again'cause a friend, he's a huge up and comer. Huge up and comer, okay. You should talk to him, it'd be good for your career, because he's gonna dwarf all of us, okay? But pondering politics or Josiah? Really cool, really smart, dude. Yeah, and he's talking to Media San, a bunch of other people. So yeah, thanks a lot for chatting with us. I really appreciate it. Thanks, Brian. All right, thanks, both. See you later. Bye.

Wow. That was a great episode. Who was that guy? Yeah, really I was so I knew this episode was happening. I was really hoping that we would 'Cause that would have been a super fun episode. Oh yeah. That would have been a sick episode and I'm sorry that didn't happen but It's your fault personally. I have a lot of hope for for for us and what we're gonna do. Um and so I don't I'm super sad, but I don't despair and I think that Brian is striking a lot of the right Wow. And y and I think Dan

At the end there he got his head where it needed to be. I think the the the the let's just give up thing. I I'm glad that we're we're not there. But um Well I think that's still a reasonable strategy as far as full accelerationism. Um I I guess I still I still feel that way. I think it's probably so cooked right now, I don't think the Democrats will ever be able to win another election. I'm pr I think um there's like probably eighty percent

That we're a full monarchy now. It's only the case if if you believe it. No, it's only the case if it happens. And there's nothing we can do about it. All you need is some out of control event that makes the economy bad for a couple of years and people will vote for the other party. I think if we've learned anything. Yeah, that I mean

That's it. Tell that to Putin. A and I just wanna put it in perspective though, Dan. It's not like he had this ground swell of majority. This is like in terms of popular vote, I know that's not the way we win. One two points in line with the polls. It's a good thing. Less votes than twenty twenty. What is uh what is Putin's popularity rating? No one knows. Yeah, because that's that's how it's gonna be.

I don't I think there's too much for him to chew through to get to Putin levels of totalitarianism, but I hope this is not the Deanna's always right thing. I hope I hope you I I hope I'm wrong. Yeah. I'm nervous about it, but again, my life will be Sucks to be the Hispanic voter they got lied to to be in this sp in this place. But you know, it does. We gotta start embracing our Latino.

Yeah. I'm gonna learn Spanish. We can practice. How cool would that be? Spanish, you know that. No bro That one guy that one guy in my uh Jubilee thing, he spoke better Spanish here for sure. The guy in red I could tell across from me. Oh Was that his name? He was he was Peruvian. Uh.

Yeah, we sh we we can take Spanish. Wouldn't you say persona preter? Like a Peruvian person that you're using that's not a that's not people first that's not people first language. I'm just saying, okay. I'm just saying you're not being very people first right now with your Spanish, so it's making me uncomfortable. Well uh thanks everybody for joining uh where are are we closing out? We're closing out right. Oh yeah, there's a video I wanna watch real quick. Hold on one second. Uh this one

I just wanted to pull up something real quick. Oh no. Oh let's just watch this. Are you voting for her or will you not say because you don't want to endorse her? Just curious cause not sure where you stand. What difference does it make? In your calculation. Like I I'm I'm being for real. Like it doesn't change my analysis even a little bit. What difference does that fucking make? I don't know why people keep consistently asking me. I've all I've already told you, okay? I don't know. That's it.

And to the many people in the chat that say, Oh dude, your advocacy for her will change the outcome of this election, then they should listen to me. Are you supporting any candidates this year? No. No, not at all. I've been a big advocate of the uncommitted voting campaign as well against Joe Biden in the Democratic primaries. I'm the undecided voter, by the way, and I've decided, okay. Actually I'm even more undecided now. Why am I undecided? Because

I wanted to know who would be committed to Israel doing the first strike on Tehran. Who will be the brave A brave candidate, the brave administration that will allow Israel to do nuclear holocaust. And now I'm even more undecided because both of them said yes to it. So now I'm even more undecided, which is why I'm writing in Biden. Jesus. So on the one hand, I disagree with what he said, I supported Kamala, but in terms of

Can we have some candidates who stake out clear positions and who have some actual like identity? Uh love Tim Walls, definitely mean it, but there's some directionally True about the fact that the Democrats look weasley in every interaction, even with someone as a authentic as Tim Walls. And I think Hassan and some people like that can identify that. And and at times we're blind to it because we are in.

No, I think we do see it, but I think it was this on stream or off stream when we were chatting about how um it's hard because we're we're a really big tent party. There's a lot of different things that we're trying to keep like concerned about at the same time. And I think the Republicans are a lot more narrowly focused for the people that are trying to appeal to. Right. Yeah. So I think it's it's difficult for yeah.

It's a it's definitely I'm not lying, that's a harder line to walk for them, but their messaging sucks. Well it's not that I'm not saying it's a harder line to walk. What I'm saying is it's impossible and you'd have to start ejecting something like that. Yeah, but like what is there's not it's fucking Israel Palestine. What is the good answer supposed to be? Find something better than uh we always will defend Israel and

Bro, no offense, but Israel and Palestine's answer to Israel Palestine sucks. Like I mean what the fuck? Everybody's answer to that sucks. Yeah, just lie. True, lie. Um Okay, well Peace Gar this was very fun. Yeah. You know what the best answer was unironically, you know what I would have liked to have seen if we could have run it back?

You know what the best take on Israel Palestine? What? It was when Woodward reported that Biden said he got off the phone and he was like, I just talked to the two biggest assholes, the big the biggest fucking assholes in the Middle East. Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas. Why not? That was a good ass answer. True. They are B B does it. B B t like like all o constantly throwing bombs at Biden. Constantly undermining the United States of America. That quote BB, what the fuck? When you say

Why why why do you think quotes by the way? Yeah. What has Blinken got us? No, you're true. I would have wanted to see that before. Yeah. We're so fucking cooked. But they didn't start feeding Biden babies until after you'd already dropped out of the fucking race, though. Fuck. Maybe be alright. Stay joyful. All right.

Guys, big things are coming. That is true. Can I can I talk real quick? Yeah. Don't announce my candidacy yet. Um all right. Some really big things are coming. We there is one silver lining, okay, that I wanna let you guys know of, and that is that Dan Clancy is actually Quite anti-Trump. There's a lot of anti-Trump posts that he's made, and now he's fucked. He is fucked absolutely because it is probably remember we were talking about how all these sites are like.

Conservative bent like Twitter and all these other ones, right? Uh well guess what? I know a far left media site, and uh I'm I'm quite you know it has a very anti-Israel Binding. And uh I'm excited to move forward uh and continue with that. And I think everyone, by the way, should go to uh advertiseontwitch.com. Hold on one second.

Well, I think it would be base if we could get Destiny back on Twitch and we can take over that space. Yeah, good one. Listen, I'm just saying I think it would be base to have him back and to actually be pushing a unified message on all these podcasts. Including Twitch. We do need to grow Hutch Dylan. Are you you're on Twitch still? Yeah, I'm a partner. Not you though. But not me.

Oh you'll be growing those people. Not good. We'll be thinking about that. Well I'm I'm still I'm still gonna be debating conservatives. No, no, I'm just fine. I'm still gonna be and and so is he. Uh everyone go to advertise on twitch dot com. We're still doing like Ten emails per minute. We still have been for the past few days. If it means getting Steven back on Twitch, I don't give a shit about that.

I don't give a fuck about why would he even be on Twitch in the first place? Isn't it it's another problem? You know how much money he was making less on Twitch compared to YouTube? It's still it's not just about the money. It's not about the money. It's about sending it. Well no right now it's an echo chamber. Right now we w we we need to get these people we need to convert them to to a winning strategy. Well

Heart of the the tip of the spear of that is Dan Clancy and uh his anti Semitic trust and safety team. Whatever you say. Yeah. Oh my god, what a great episode. Dude, last thing. Fucking Reddit banned uh the Hassan Piker snark subreddit. Did they really identical terms and service of the H three Snark subreddit? Exactly. It was lifted verbatim from that. Had active moderation. Were they doing brigading stuff? Nope. Nothing. And the reason it was shut down was for harassment.

When on the fucking H three site they're doxing employees of H three? Of H three. This is someone on the Reddit admin team went out and specifically banned. So does this metastasize to a Reddit? No, I I think it's uh certainly there is this like concentrated sect of power and their fucking days are definitely coming to an end. But that said, regardless, either we'll get on banned or we'll make a new one and then we'll go from there'cause it's a good place to have a

category of all the insane fucked up anti Semitic shit that Hassan has done over the You gotta wear two hats then buddy. Don't let that distract you the infighting hat distract you from the other What other bigger projects. I think you're part of this, Dan. What bigger projects? Of taking our country back. Oh no, that's shit that you guys got a hold of that. For sure. I'm good with the uh I have I have a single mind.

And that is of Dan Clancy and Steve and Steve Boom. Do you think I should have anything um that I need to keep in mind for tomorrow? For peers? Yeah, hold on. They're gonna try and make you look like a fucking idiot, right? Medi? Uh no, he's cool. Anthony Scaramucci. I love that guy. Oh he's he's cool. So the other three heart scarmuch. The heart the other three are we've got I don't know who this is. Cat One is Larry Wilmore. Don't know that. But the third one, Sean Spicer.

Where does he even stand? I wasn't he on Dancing with the Stars? I don't know what he does. He might work with like OAN or Newsmax or something now? Yeah, but he's not that well spoken. I don't care. That's a Trump lawyer. So you're gonna go after have some balls and go after him. Yeah. So I should just be unhinged. I'm not asking be You said to be unhinged. You said have some balls. I I would I would say look, why are they inviting him on?

To beat up on him. They want a blue haired liberal that looks like a blue haired liberal to make him cry and be sad. I'm gonna wear my combat vest tomorrow. Like unironically, look like a fucking Giga Chad and be like, Yeah, something that's what I would do. You know why they're inviting you there. I'm bringing my Pfizer jacket, my son. Say shit. Be be you. Don't use racial slurs. Don't don't be shrill. No, no don't use racial slurs. You can fucking use that against them a hundred percent.

Know that every moment they're gonna be trying to clip you out of context. They're gonna be doing their clips and all that type of shit. Know all that and fucking Twist the narrative and fucking dominate. America's in your hands in Spanish. Wear a big be like Kanye and wear a fucking mask over your face and go to the interview that way, right? That's what you need to do, that level of insanity.

I'm just gonna get my biggest Peace Go outfit on and I'm gonna say I hope the transfer power is so peaceful. Shed a single tear at the speech. Okay. Uh anything else, Stephen? Shut up. Is there anything else we need to go over?

Um I don't know. If there is in the chat, let us know. Well I are we all listen. I mean we didn't do anything on my list, so what was on your list? No, a ton of shit I paid for. None of it got used, but that's fine. They got paid either way. I mean so Well I I I'll still be c th the Trump administration's gonna have the new Trump administration, V two. Kill me, is gonna have a bunch of like new fucked up shit every every day, every week.

Um I'm gonna keep my eye close to that stuff. I'm not gonna stop and and I know Steven and I even think Dan and I think members of this community, you guys aren't just gonna give up. So I know. Oh boy, we should just get a webcam there,'cause you guys bring mine back, the shitty fucking breeze.

What do you want? Hey, do you like the back of my head? Wait a wait a second. No, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Ridiculous. What's that? Oh no, wait, wait, wait. That's bad. You see the back of someone's head, it means they're giving you a blowjob.

Oh you're giving me great brain. Fuck. Okay. So listen, no no no, it's great. I I fucked myself. No no no, A one. Um Steven, so Piers dropped an episode today and the thing that he's hitting people with is how long it took Kamala to formally concede. to Trump, okay? He's like with all the outrage about Trump not conceding, why did it take Kamala so long? Why didn't she do it immediately? That's gonna be the big gotcha. So you

Okay, I will I'm gonna lock all my firearms up so I don't have anything close to me to blow my own brains out. When he tries to give me that talking point, I'll do my best. Yeah. Perfect. All right, guys. That's it. That's all I got. Dan, Pisco. Destiny, good to see you guys. Yeah. He thinks his back Oh fuck. He thinks his background everything looks bad. It doesn't. It looks good.

I think it fits him. I didn't see it. Jesus, what a horrible Oh my god. Oh my god, Jesus, you should have just known it's a meme. It was it was very actually I remembered it. It was very like Home and Gardens. Like I thought like he was about to Teach me about like arts and crafts. Hey, wait, call us back hold on one second. I just want to see it again. Yeah, hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Oh my God. Are you gonna do three minute crafts today? Are we gonna be making some macaron macaroni noodle houses? No, I'm I'm too. No, yeah, it's gotta go. It's gotta go. You are a serious political commentator and you know what that is? That's a Martha Stewart shit. Oh my god, a globe. No no no yeah we gotta You're rich enough now. It's time to go. Sorry. You know you know that we're right. What is this supposed to be? What Okay, not that.

You know like take a picture of yourself right now and then replace yourself with Martha Stewart, okay And and you know that's the exact same thing that Martha Stewart would have. No, hers would be jail bars. Well she was there so long ago. Yeah. You know, unironically, you just fucked yourself. Martha Stewart's background would be way cooler than yours. It fucking would.

Fuck you. It would be sick. She'd have like a picture of herself behind bars. She'd have like a fucking Snoop Dogg shit. This is dignified. There's no pleasing you guys. No it was a middle aged woman. When it was listen, my favorite band is Journey, okay, so you're not But when I had when I was ruminate I got shit from you guys. When it was uh the the lights I got shit from Hold on, you know what we can do? We got a solution. What's the name uh fuck uh the magician bro. Send him out there.

Albert. Albert, you need to let Albert go to your place and fuck your shit up. Start from scratch. Albert. I think it looks nice to say. I'm getting a message from Girl World. Girl World says it's very French country woman. It's like women went to Target. Who's girl is that Joe? No, I I didn't say anything. I said girl world. Okay, I'm assuming it's Joe. And by the way, listen. I gotta say the fact that you were

And Brian Talco is something I find really offensive. See my Twitter. See my Twitter. How happy, Jessai? How happy were you though when Brian came out and Pisco was Cowering in the corner when Brian was just laying into Merrick Garland about how shameful his performance was. The the body posture, you know, that sort of thing like that. So I'm not trying to have a bunch of infighting right now. That's also why I'm I'm trying to take it easy on everyone.

That's I don't wanna relitigate Merrick Garland and the fucking investigations. Unilateral executive action. Did you not like that? Wait, hold on one second. What did you think of those ideas though, in the thought process I was going through there? The nuke thing, admittedly, is a bit extreme, but the nuke thing is if he's a lame duck for three for free three months, yeah, he should use the powers at his disposal to.

Yeah. Hold on, to be clear, neither Mia nor Peace could disagree with that. There's just not much you can really do. Liar. Okay, he should uh allow re li lift the restriction that is in place on Ukrainians missiles right now. But he can't even do that effectively. Okay. There's a thing. They gave him a bunch of missiles, but it has a restriction. Yeah he can use Boom!

Any any restrictions that he's imposing on um because he's the the executive has given so much deference with respect to foreign policy and military policy any sort of restrictions that he's imposing on Israel I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm just saying he can't We're talking about Ukraine. Talking about Ukraine, you dipshit.

What did I say? Get him out of here, dude. Get this guy. He's still drunk. He's still drunk. He's still drunk. Oh don't don't let they do the misspoke thing on me all the time. It's like, oh, you misspoke, you're a fucking idiot. He knows what he's talking about. I made a fucking mistake. Yeah. And by the way, Steven, why are you forming an alliance with Pisco where Pisco is the ultimate Merrick Garland? Wait, why do I formed an alliance with Pisco on?

You you just you both you just yelled at me. What are you talking about? Yeah,'cause you're in a short term memory. Listen, sometimes you gotta keep'em in line. Need some consequences for dumb shit and you just did that. So mean Pisco, we had to think of we had to fuck you up. What do you think of the um what do you think of her speech? Because I saw you watched it but I didn't get to hear your reaction. Who Kamelos?

Yeah. I it was so presidential. And all I could think about while watching it was God, I bet Pisco has a single tear rolling down his face with how beautiful this speech is. That's all I can think of it as. I think I I mean I think that she needed to peacefully transfer the power. Do you guys disagree with that? I listen, I don't expect her to to do uh not what you would expect, Josiah. It's just this weaselness. The one thing that I'm a little bit bit disappointed, uh if I'm being fair.

Is um since we're deficit spending anyway, I wish they would have bought like just a giant red carpet to roll out for Trump. Maybe one that goes all the way from where he lives. I don't know where he lives now. Just a really, really nice long red carpet. So you can just take a stroll down, maybe with all of his followers.

You know, back to the Capitol, then to the White House. What did you want? You wanted her to contest the results of the election? No, no. I wanted her to come out, drop some end bombs, say this motherfucker's crazy, and just leave. She did in a roundabout way kinda hit him hard, you know. The peaceful trance said the peaceful trance. Something which always must be observed. Wow, hard. That's such a hard hit. Wow, Pisco. Good one. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

I think for the tone that she had to strike, she's not gonna violate the piece of transfer of power, right? So she has to thread two separate needles. Uh You're still weaseling. The question wasn't what is she going to do? It's what what you would want her to do. Would you want her to I don't know talk some shit, say there was fraud, uh not? She needed to come out in a giant fucking bandage like J. Reg did on my Bridges episode. She needed to come out in a giant

Giant bandit said my head is fucked up right now. I hope I don't fuck up the count of the votes on January sixth, LOL. That's what she needed to do. Are you talking to me or Steven, Pisco? I'm talking to you, Josh.

I didn't have any issue with how she handled it. Oh okay. That's well I asked the question and you just assume. Yeah. Just because I'm asking Steven a question doesn't mean that I object to how Kamala Harris did what she did. Okay. Well then I'm glad that we both thought it was a fantastic and beautiful Yeah. I think she had also said, by the way, and I also formally recommended that President Biden discharge Merrick Arland effective immediately, that would have been ultimately.

Okay, well well come on. Would you really fire your attorney general that close to the transfer of power? That'd be insane, wouldn't it be? That'd be wild. Wouldn't it be? No. Attorney General would uh just or the deputy attorney general become the acting attorney general. Time to move on, boys. By the way, think about it. Yeah. But also, as slow as Merrick Arland moves, it would take him till January twentieth to probably leave his office. Time to move on.

Yep. And that's why Hunter Biden needs to be pardoned too. Can't wait for that one. Yeah. You think he'll do it? No. I don't think so either. Why? Why not? Just fucking who gives a shit. I think just because he promised he wouldn't. Like I mean Biden I think Biden's Do you know why you wanna you want me to tell you right now? Wait, wait. First, how do you feel about Hunter Biden being pardoned? Honestly.

He wants it to be part of it. Like, I'm not sure what you're doing. You and I, we gotta be the same page. Don't listen to me right now, okay? We're getting on the same page against Peace Co, okay? Honest to God I think that Biden should pardon Hunter just so that Trump can't do it. Because if Trump does it then.

I could see I could see him pulling that sort of stunt, you know, as a gesture of unity, which means absolutely fucking nothing because we don't care about Hunter Biden, even though it sounds like he was done dirty on uh the gun form. Uh wait, by the way, was he prosecuted and convicted Taxes or the gun form? It was like two felony counts and like five misdemeanors on on the taxes should

So my question is, would you consider it corrupt? I guess I would just because it's his son, right? But there's no like contingencies or quality. Would e would the three of you consider it corrupt?'Cause I've heard some people say Yes, I would. Corruption is is meaningless. It just means bad. He has complete authority to pardon whoever he wants for whatever reason. There is no restriction. So is it bad and feels bad? Yes. Is it corrupt? Meaningless.

Is it bad if like I thought the whole point of the pardon was like, you know, people who are repentant and yada yada like if There's an inherent conflict there that if he wanted to do it the right way he would be a good idea. you know, farm it out to someone who's able to put their bias aside. But a and I don't want that to happen. I you know, I want us to fight with more temerity, with more like

Cajones, but I don't want us to cross certain lines and I don't want us to do corrupt shit. Well, wait a minute. Who would he farm it out to? He's the only one with pardon power. No, the decision. You know, I'm I'm Can he give the power to someone else? No, you just you see with a magic eight ball and shake it. Yeah, right. Like pardon recommendations before the president in the first place.

It it's getting tired because you're just gonna be like Trump didn't do? Yeah, I agree. Trump is a piece of shit and I'm not willing to Pisco, are you drunk? Have you been drinking McDonald's?

I didn't say anything about I clarified. Oh, I think it's a lot of people. It sounded like you were being a little sarcastic. I feel like Pisco'cause he got to talk to Brian before you, now Pisco's like high on his fucking britches and he's just like straw manning you like crazy. That's I think that's what's happening right now. Fuck no, are you kidding me? He's got three and a half million subscribers.

Never mind. It's all the same to Peace Gow. Wait, that guy was a big guy before us? Yeah. Oh. One of the largest left leaning. Well, okay. Um are you guys gonna form an alliance? Are you are you doing the network thing? Yeah, yeah. We're doing it. You'll know. You'll know. If we do anything, you'll know. You'll know before Pisco does, before this garland simp does, trust me. All right. Love you, buddy. Later.

That guy. He's crazy. He wants us to break so many norms. He could be he could be a politician Josiah? Depends on how many skeletons are in his closet. Actually, you know what? It doesn't. Well only if he's if he runs as a Republican. If he's a Republican. Could you imagine we gassed him up?

Let's get him to run for some shit. Why the fuck not? That's like so fucked up. It's like It's got the accent and everything, yeah. It's like telling some kid who has like a special needs whatever, be like, Oh kitchen.

Oh sorry, sorry. I thought it'd be funny because Josiah It's not good when you say you think it's gonna be funny. I think it'd be funny because Josiah would suffer legitimately. It would be agonizing for him to be in a debate against a fucking conservative or to have to run that campaign and deal with the attack ass. But I think he's I think he could

He's a he's it's it's not because he'd be stupid or unqualified. No, I didn't say that. It would be like if you're special ed kids. That's what I was suggesting. Not that he was special ed Well we need new blood. Yeah. Excuse me? New blood? What type of blood? Violent rhetoric. Wow. Wow. We need to find s some people to do a better job than the current people. Yeah, that's because the current people are all fucking dumb. Let's go to Pelosi's district right now.

Sorry. Did she she'd done running? I thought she said like two times before whatever that she wasn't gonna run anymore. What does it what does it take to actually like win the house? Is it feasible? Right now? Let's say in in in two years. Let's say Miami's up. How hard is it for Steve to win? Oh Jesus. The problem is I just wouldn't want it. Because we would have to like give up our whole careers. Fuck that. Josiah wouldn't do it either.

You what but it's like a full time like sucking dick fest, basically, right? Like going out meeting people. It's not possible. Yeah, but the problem is the peop you know what it is? The people that crave power like that are us are always the people you don't want there. You put them in front of the mirror with the sorcerer's stone and it's only the ones that don't want it that have it in their pockets. Yes. We need our own version of Project Twenty Twenty Eight.

We need Project Sixty Nine. Project sixty nine. Oh just a list of candidates to support and fucking a base people. Every single one is Rosenstein, Eli Stein, Finkelstein. We're gonna find the best list of shit. Oh sorry, that was too far. My bad. They're eating the cats and the dogs, by the way. Shithole country is poisoning the blood of our nation, by the way. Are you defending those comments? What which comments? The cats and dogs? Of course I'm not.

So what do you have to say about Trump, you know, pushing that shit? I hate Trump. Okay. You guys acting like I love Trump. Okay. Have you seen my Twitter? You love Trump. You're Yeah my bet he's your phone background. You did have a hat that was basically a Trump hat masquerading as a Kamala hat. True. The camo hat? That was a It was a joyful hat. That is like the mocking Democrat's hat, kind of a little bit. What Democrat would have? That's the same thing.

What can I say? I'm a liberal thing. You're saying Democrats can only come from liberal arts college? Yeah, that I think that's it. Maybe a lot of Democrats do work camel. That's why they didn't we didn't see any of them at the polls. No, it's because they watched Hassan's stream. They got their guidance, their talking point.

God, what a fucking What a day. Yesterday what time did you fall asleep yesterday? Four AM. I just went upstairs and went to sleep. I couldn't sleep for a few hours. I was just thinking like Also great. Check my Twitter and my Instagram. Got a couple hundred uh death threats. What? Oh sorry. I I went on I went on Reddit and I saw that I was like the fucking purge. I already knew it was happening. It was nice to see you.

Fucking it was awesome. Ah God to witness it in action was amazing. I was getting like we're putting you in a camp, we're deporting you in a couple of things. Yeah, I mean, it's fucking cooked right now. There's nothing you can do. So what's next for you, Pisco?

I uh So you're listening we didn't get to have our episode with you. And it's not the bridges. What what are you what you're an attorney? Yeah. Do you actually do any attorneying or is that just for show? Yes, I'm not sure. Do you know what this guy's billable hours are? I don't want to know where you work on that. I'm just curious though, but you were actually do that's your being. Yeah, I do legal work. Not like a not like a fake attorney, not like someone who has a a a

We we actually talked with one guy and he's like a little bit of a problem is that let me he's enough of a real attorney that we should not have this conversation because if you start people are gonna instantly know way too much about him. So all I'm trying to say is I think that there's some soul searching that everyone needs to do and I think that You know, to the extent that you guys are or there needs to be a new media presence, a new

push from the Democrats from the left wing to get some winners. Omni liberal media. So this is the Daily Wire that Steve needs to create. Tomorrow on stream I'm gonna soul search for so long. America elected Donald Trump twice. Or three times if you believe Donald Trump. And and that shit is fucked. And we need to get some winners in these districts. What would it take for you to move down here and do a show with Steve? The ride off. Jesus. That's it.

There see think about it, Steve. We got all this get big enough, you can rent a fucking apartment next door, just keep doing more and more studios. I I listen, it's a little bit tongue cheese, but like I I wanna help out the movement. I wanna help out the effort to get fucking winners on ballots and to win

You value this stuff. I do. I you know I I actually I I believe you and I also I feel a little impassioned myself. Like I've taken up a cause recently and I f I feel a little bit I feel a little passionate. Like it you can't Yours is very grand and very large. But that said, it's nice to have passion about something. I don't make any money off any of the shit I do on I mean I got like twelve bucks from Elon on my on my Twitter. I get like a hundred bucks on on some Twitch stuff.

The only reason I'm doing this is because I love this fucking country. And I believe that there are DGGers, there are people who watch the stream who love this country too, because I get their messages. They say, you know, I didn't really think about these issues the way Steven did, the way you did, the way Josiah did. And so I believe there are true patriots out there who

believe in this country and its values and that inspires me to just let's pick shit and standing back and standing by. Yeah, so let's let's get it done. Let's let's think about let's be strategic. Don't be dumb. Uh let's not be hysterical either, but we need to make some changes and we'll get them done and we'll be ready Wow. What last names are you looking to deport first? The crimin the criminals. Oh, so only those and maybe others. Any specific last names? Spicer.