Another Podcast

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If you're looking for another over-scripted and edited podcast, this is not it. But if you want to listen to honest and unfiltered discussions about the latest in tech and its impact on society, welcome, you have come to the right place. This is Another Podcast where two friends and colleagues discuss their overlapping experiences and perspectives on what happens in technology. We might know some of the same things, yet we also have different backgrounds and expertise, or at least, we ask different questions. Benedict Evans has worked in equity research, strategy and venture capital and owns lots of old phones; Toni Cowan-Brown works at the intersection of tech, policy and politics.

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Episodes

Regulation - Who will notice?

Tech regulation and the problems that prompt it to fill every headline. But is structural change coming? Who will this affect? Who will notice? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Sep 28, 2021•36 min•Season 2Ep. 9

Apple's metronome

The new iPhones are boring, and why that's interesting. Plus, Apple and Epic stumble towards a new App Store model, and - Real Soon Now - Apple! glasses! and! cars! It's the Apple metronome. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Sep 20, 2021•40 min•Season 2Ep. 8

Games and Roblox

The barrier to entry to gaming is lower than it has ever been. But are there more gamers today? Are more 10-year-olds playing games today than they did 10 years ago? And why are we more focused on what is happening in this space? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Aug 26, 2021•36 min•Season 2Ep. 7

Telcos and Tesla

Why hasn't tech disrupted mobile network operators? Smartphones changed everything about mobile, and yet the networks are all still there with pretty much the same business. Does software always matter? At what level of the stack? And what's the read-across to cars? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Aug 15, 2021•40 min•Season 2Ep. 6

Creativity and Optimism

A conversation about creativity, working with tech and optimism with Nicolas Roope, agency and startup co-founder who has ridden many of the revolutions we talk about on this show. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter Follow Nicolas on Twitter

Jul 13, 2021•52 min•Season 2Ep. 5

'Digital transformation' - beyond the silly slogan

'Digital transformation' sounds like a terrible marketing slogan, but it describes a pretty basic generational change in how big companies do tech. Why is that interesting if you're not a big company? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jul 05, 2021•43 min•Season 2Ep. 4

Tech in china, from inside and outside

This is a follow-up to our conversation on Chinese tech with someone who knows a lot more about this space than we do - Lillian Li, who writes the weekly newsletter, Chinese Characteristics. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter Follow Lillian on Twitter

Jun 29, 2021•57 min•Season 2Ep. 3

The Business of publishing

This is a follow-up to our conversation on Ad Tech with someone who knows a little more about this space than we do - Jeremy White, Executive Editor WIRED UK. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter Follow Jeremy White on Twitter

Jun 21, 2021•53 min•Season 2Ep. 2

Paying attention to Apple again

Why do we watch WWDC? Did Apple do anything that matters if you don't own an iPhone? And what's the war on privacy? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jun 14, 2021•42 min•Season 2Ep. 1

Trying to understand Ad Tech

Online advertising is worth $300bn, and yet almost no-one that doesn't work on an ad team really understands much of it. So what is the cookie apocalypse, what does it mean, and where is the money and power moving? No, we don't know either. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Mar 14, 2021•37 min•Season 1Ep. 22

App stores: arguing like it's 2009

Benedict and Toni discuss the ongoing debates surrounding app stores, but specifically Apple's app store. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Mar 07, 2021•30 min•Season 1Ep. 21

Who's in the office? Notes on a year of remote work.

Benedict and Toni discuss remote work, collaboration and conferences in 2022. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Feb 28, 2021•38 min•Season 1Ep. 20

Shopify and digital transformation

Benedict and Toni discuss changing habits, digital transformation and Shopify. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Feb 21, 2021•37 min•Season 1Ep. 19

Clubhouse and the endless cycle of social apps

Benedict and Toni discuss the new forms of social, and specifically Clubhouse, the latest social audio app. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Feb 14, 2021•35 min•Season 1Ep. 18

Bezos and the Amazon machine

Benedict and Toni discuss Amazon and solving problems. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Feb 07, 2021•41 min•Season 1Ep. 17

Telling stories with charts

Benedict and Toni discuss the best ways to tell compelling stories with charts. The presentation we discussed Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jan 31, 2021•42 min•Season 1Ep. 16

Why do we care about games?

Benedict and Toni discuss why games matter and their place within the tech industry. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jan 24, 2021•31 min•Season 1Ep. 15

Two Europeans talk about China

How do we look at China if we're *not* China experts? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jan 17, 2021•40 min•Season 1Ep. 14

There's no such thing as data

Benedict and Toni talk about data, buzzwords and TED talks. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jan 10, 2021•45 min•Season 1Ep. 13

The history of doom-scrolling

Benedict and Toni talk about newsletters and more specifically, Substack. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Jan 03, 2021•45 min•Season 1Ep. 12

What comes next?

Benedict and Toni talk about what comes after the smartphone, and whether even matter. Maybe the models of how to think about this question have more to offer us than the question itself. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Dec 22, 2020•27 min•Season 1Ep. 11

The FTC and Facebook

Benedict and Toni talk about the latest big antitrust push - the US (both states and FTC) versus Facebook. Will it work? And how to contrast it with the laws the EU will announce this week? Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Dec 13, 2020•38 min•Season 1Ep. 10

Slack, Salesforce and the future of work

Benedict and Toni talk about the latest Slack acquisition by Salesforce and what this means for the whole 'future of work' thing. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Dec 07, 2020•29 min•Season 1Ep. 9

F1 - the plane that never takes off

Benedict and Toni talk about Formula 1 and 50s experimental aircraft, and how they overlap in interesting ways with technology, innovation, and creation. Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Nov 29, 2020•45 min•Season 1Ep. 8

The acceleration of ecommerce habits

Benedict and Toni discuss how ecommerce shot up in lockdown and what habits may be sticking. Ecommerce charts: Link Follow Benedict on Twitter Follow Toni on Twitter

Nov 23, 2020•34 min•Season 1Ep. 7