What's up. It's lip service.
I'm Angela Yee, I'm Gg Maguire, I'm Stephanie Santiago.
Come on, oh hi, I'm Jonnifer Williams.
And I'm Mowna Philip.
All right, Well, what's up, ladies? How y'all feeling good? You guys enjoying the wine? I do want to shout out to Mary J.
Blige.
We're drinking her wine. And also my boy Dynae were drinking his Lafette Rose Delicious. You know, black owned brands. I only do you don't normally we don't do this, but I know you are classy and whatnot, so I knew we would.
Have had something else.
Jennifer would have been like, I know, I'm okay, No, I don't do that hard liquor stuff anymore.
I think, okay, don't don't tell my.
Secrets, Jennifer. We know you good for a penal Greese, Mariam, you had a letter backing at us up.
Yeah, no tequila today, but.
Listen, just for some context. You know this is my girl, Jennifer Williams. Y'all know her from basketball wives, I know her from high school. But yeah, and so we've been watching this is this the last season, you think.
No, it's definitely now. It's too much stuff going on and our ratings are great.
Okay, alright, cause I was like, we're it now?
What?
Like what? But I guess y'all got some new cast members.
Too, Yes, and you know what, they have really good personal stories. And so this is the first time that we've done two parts to a season. So we have twenty six episodes. Part A aired and now Part B is gonna air. I don't know when, but it is airing soon. I'm still actually doing some pick up interviews, but I think it should be airing soon.
Okay, thank you for that, because I keep going back to see when the next episode is coming, and I'm like, y'all not just gonna stop like this, like there's no reunion, Like what's happening?
But that explains it. That's what I thought. I was like, what happened to this during COVID, Like I don't know it?
So that was that season was really crazy because we were like in these mansions because it was COVID, and then we had a cast member that went role that was recording people, which is basically a violation of your contract. So it was a lot of legal issues that we were dealing with, so they were just like, Okay, no, we can't do a reunion. It was a lot going on,
but I am told we are doing a reunion. However, the second part of the season hasn't aired, so we can't do the reunion quite yet, but I guess we'll be doing it soon.
Will you and Jilani be having a wedding spin off special?
You know what I am. I am doing a special actually with my own show, but it's a documentary, not a lot of special.
Now.
You know, I know about this said, this is why Ramona is here. So let's get right into that. Okay, perfect cause you know all right, so let's flash back to part of the reason why we're here today. I saw you post something on social media, right, somebody stole your range rover.
You one of the first people that called me, you.
Know, my ass.
I seen her post. I was like, what the fact going on? Because she hadn't told me anything about it. I said her posted, and I know you weren't answering anyone's cause, but she didn't answer my call because I know your phone went crazy after that, so crazy. So what got you to the point where you were like, okay, I have to post about this.
Okay, So I definitely debated posting about it. I obviously got my range Rover stolen, and so I went to the police. I fouled a police report and everything kind of started unfolding during COVID. So because of that, I think they were just very relaxed when my situation and it's not a violent crime, so it's not at the top of their list as a priority. And for me
it had been well over sixty days. I wasn't getting any kind of response to detective I felt wasn't really on his job, and so I said, you know what, I have this platform and I need to use it for good now.
I was.
Anxious, nervous. I went back and forth with Mona, like what should I say, What should I post? What pictures am I going to use? You know, you just never know how people are going to respond to something like that, And it was a first time for me, and it was a time where I had to post and be vulnerable because if I was going to tell the story, I just had to just put it out there. And if we were going in, people were going.
In, Like you didn't arrange overstolen.
But I think that is a problem in society today. We victim blame and it's like I didn't do anything. Unfortunately. I just was a trusting person, but I trust the wrong person.
And the police also probably looked at it like, well, that was her boyfriend, so.
Right, So it's considered like a love crime, and you know a lot of times there's just think, oh, well, this person is angry or they're bitter, whatever the case is, and that absolutely was not the case with me. I'm like, I have a whole car that is gone missing. So yeah, I just decided to use my platform and post about it, and I really put okay, contacts MYRNA police or contact Jamie, which is my attorney, because I wanted help with this situation.
Why do you have your car in the first place. Let's break that down.
Oh my god. I feel like I'm talking a story a million times.
But if people don't go because you know, people see the posts and they're like, oh, she said, how you just took her car?
Right? Okay? So basically I was moving from California to Atlanta and I had an issue with my closing. Now in a process I was supposed to be closing. I want to say I was on a flight. Maybe it was like Wednesday. I was supposed to be closing that Friday. I had to go to Miami that Friday. I had two cars, and so I was thinking, Okay, after I closed, I'll be able to drive my car straight into my garage. That wasn't the case. And I found that as I was getting off the plane. And so he's somebody I
knew in Atlanta. We have been sating, and I was like, oh my god, Like, what am I going to do with my cars? Like I have to leave town because I had to go to Miami for work, and so I took my Ferrari to like the shop and then he was like, okay, well I can hold onto your range roomer.
I ain't hold okay sorry.
So I was like, okay, I had been to his house. I had seen he had a four car garage. I'm thinking, okay, I never in a million years would think that somebody was still my car. It's just you know, and then somebody I know, somebody at the time I trusted. It would be like if you were like, hey, I'm hand me to him. I know. I'm just saying I just like You're like, I go down the street to the CBS, you know, like, I wouldn't think anything of it. So I'm just thinking, like, Okay, I'm going to Miami, I'm
coming back. And I honestly, I wasn't stressed about the car because I was more so stressed about damn, what's going on with this housing right right, because I'm like the car whatever, Like now all my stuff is in transit from LA to a Lama.
It was a stressful time, Yes, had a lot going on. You were like, I just need to put my car.
Somewhere, right, That is how he got the car.
Right.
In retrospect, You're like, I should have just parked at the airport exactly.
It would have definitely been safer there.
Now let's fast forward to how you know Mona then, because you guys met it was hard to find any information online. This man. You thought his name is Nick at the time, right.
Yeah, so I thought his name was Daniel Nichols.
Okay, completely different, Okay, cletely.
And he just went by Nick as a nickname. That's what I was told. So it wasn't until now my range drove stolen and I'm kind of going into like detective mode because I'm still kind of thinking, like, you know why he's gonna give me the car back, Like, but my Spidey senses are going off, right. So I knew his mom had passed away, but I didn't really know if his mother had passed away. But I was like, Okay,
his mom passed away. I remember him kind of telling me what his mother's name was, and I knew where he was from. He was from Michigan. I didn't know exactly what area, so I just start googling and I found his mother's obituary.
M wow, so he telling her real name.
So in the mother's obituary, that's when I found out his real name. I was like, who the hell is Aaron Pushy Nichols? Pushy pushy name? Yes, you heard them say.
Pushy before, No, not until after.
Okay, I guess his family calls him that. I said, now is this so.
Though?
Yes, it turns out Daniel is the middle name, but you would.
Okay, right, So then I put in Aaron Nichols. And then I see Mona's post from Lipstick Ali, which happened years prior. But then when I clicked on it, I started seeing other people post I guess under her post.
Okay. Now, the sad thing is I knew him a million years before Jen did, and at the time, you know, he portrayed himself as a totally different person, a different name, he had a different business. So it wasn't until like the end of our like five year relationship where I started to find out information about him. Once I, you know, got that information, I was like, okay, I'm done with him.
Some months after, I was contacted by one of his baby mamas, who like explained to me how our situation kind of overlapped and some more information about him, and I was like, okay, this is crazy because you can go on the internet and find anything about anybody except for this man. So we took it upon ourselves to put some things out there. She put together like a website kind of like exposing him, and I was like, okay,
we put together to rip off report. And then I knew that Lipstick Alley kind of had like some traction is a gossip site, so I'm like, let me put some information on here. I did, like a don't datum girl type what I.
Remember that everything.
Right?
There was nothing about him, so I wanted.
I did if you didn't. If a guy like did you dirty? You could post his picture and what he did to you on don't datumgirl dot com, but they've been took that down.
Yeah, exactly, So this was a way to kind of warn other people that he's not who he says he what did he do to you? Well, when I met him, he kind of portrayed himself as like, you know, a business but he you know, was into like luxury cars that you know, he said he was a retired athlete at the time. Lies I know. So I actually met him in LA and I was living in New York
at the time. It was like a weird kind of whirlwind, like a quick twenty four hours, like we spent that whole time together and you know, my nose is open and I was like, wow, who is this guy? And it was weird because when I first met him, I was in LA, just kind of walking because you know, we walk all over New York. I'm thinking, no biting do exactly in La, right, not in La. So I didn't know that this is like my first time out there.
I'm walking along and it so happened. I kind of walked through a crowd because you know, New Yorkers were like, move out the way, and I moved. I like walked onto a red carpet, which is like the weirdest thing. So people were like taking pictures on your work. Got out here right, I was like, like, it's right in front a man's theater like crazy. He comes up and he just grabs my hand and I'm like, who's this food? And it was like electricity, like all throughout my body.
It wasn't until later I realized my whole every cell was like run, get the fuck away. But at the time that had never happened to me before. So I'm kind of like, you know, who is this guy? Like what does this mean? And then he was like, you know, like he pulled me off the red carpet and we started talking and there was a guy with him who was like, He'll change your life all these little things exactly, all these little lies exactly, like you know, hindsight is
twenty twenties got Lasik. So we wind up going into the movie that was premiering on that you know day, and he said he helped produce the movie lies again. So we're sitting in the movie. You know, there were other pseudo celebs there, you know, and he pretended as though he knew them, and you know, so we're sitting in a movie, but I couldn't even sit next to him, so it was like it just felt like so weird. So maybe twenty thirty minutes into the movie, he's like,
you want to get out of here? I'm like sure. So we wind up leaving, and like I said, we spent that whole day together just kind of exploring, you know, la and you know, I met him walking. It wasn't until like after the movie we wind up getting into I think it was like a brand new BMW or Mercedes or some like expensive car or whatever, like Okay, so no, I wasn't even know what I'm saying.
It's a coincidence, Like you didn't know it, but you're like, wow, I really just because in a way you have to think like I did, kind of like look up what I feel electricity and he's this and he's that, and he.
Kind of like telling people like, oh, I met her walking, like she wasn't even impressed by whatever money that I had because I met her walking. So, like I said, we spent that whole night together and it was just like amazing, you know, for you know, a guy that I just met and you know, I was letting night together. Yeah, I spent the night whatever.
Because I want to get more I know of what, like what he's like. So yeah, he really knocked you up your feet, like y'all spent the night together, like and that's not something you would normally do. You met Amalek and then he had all this shit happening. It was electricity. For you, that electricity was really like it away, but you misinterpreted it very much.
So so for me, he is very charming. So did you feel that electricity too, Jennifer.
I didn't feel electricity, but I felt, okay, I'm gonna let her tell her story because I don't I don't want it, like okay, but I did not feel electricity, okay.
But you know the next day I had like something to do and he was kind of like, you know, hey,
let's go to Vegas. And I'm like, okay, I kind of have like a prior engagement, but you know, after I'm done with that, then you know, sure, let's go to Vegas, which was like very spontaneous at the time, I was super spontaneous, so it was that big of a deal, and then we were gonna take like his car and I guess just drive to Vegas after I was done with whatever it is that I had to do like in LA and I was like, okay, I'm ready.
He's like, oh I left without you. And I was like, well damn, but exactly like okay, exactly like you know bait and switch, which he does a lot. So I'm like, all right, cool, whatever it is, what it is. I went back to New York and then he called like a lot all the time, text message all the time. Like I wasn't even con like taken into consideration the time difference, Like at the time, I had like a regular ninety five whatever. He's calling me at like seven
in the morning. You were very successful in what you did at that time, right, So, like you know, he would call it like seven in the morning, but that was like four o'clock West Coast time, you know, But I didn't think anything of it. He would call like midday, he would call before I would go to bed. So we're starting this little you know, right that part that part, So we're starting this weird little like relationship or whatever. But even before that, like I went back to New York.
A week later, he's like, come back out to LA. I came back out to LA to meet him a house, No, I you please. Yeah, there's no big thing. It's like, take it to La is nothing. But once I got to La, it was kind of like we were like two shit. And then I like, he claimed he was in the studio and I didn't even understand why he's in the studio, but I was like, well, I'll entertain myself. I knew people in LA, so I hung out with them, and then he would go back to the hotel and
be like she's not here. I'm like, yeah, because I was nested around and wait for your ass whatever. So that didn't necessarily work, and I kind of went back to New York like whatever, I'm not even tripping on him. And that's when he kind of went back and pursued and started calling all the time and really putting like an effort in it. Then became a thing after some months where he was just like, you know, I can't do a long distance relationship. You need to come move
out here. He was living in Vegas at the time, and I was kind of like, what was he doing in Vegas? Did he say everything he was doing, everything from he invested in real estate. He would, you know, throw a couple of parties, like concerts, not necessarily like you know, little parties. And then he said that like his vice was luxury cars. So what he would do is actually he would buy them just because he loved them, but then he would I kind of rent them out
or least them out. So this is what he can make some money off. He was like before, right, so clean. So I think at the time I just didn't necessarily ask a lot of questions about what he did because I'm just like, whatever, if he makes money, it's fine. I'm not tripping Like however he makes money, he doesn't really concern me. But at the time, you know, I wasn't incredibly happy being back in New York. So I
was like, hmmm, I'll consider Vegas. I thought about it, and I was like, you know what, fuck it, I'll try this relationship. And you know, he's not asking me to move to the middle of nowhere. He's asking me to move to Vegas, right, So I finally did, you know, move out there. I packed all my belongings into like the little car that I had and was going to drive out there now. His thinking was, Oh, you don't have to drive out there. I'll send someone to drive
your car. And I'm like, my whole life is in his car. I don't know this person, right, He's like, well, why would I put someone you? Like? Why don't you drive? Come here and write? His whole thing was like, I don't want your drive across country by yourself, and this is somebody I trust. Of course, you know you're with me. Now I'm gonna whatever. So I'm like, it's a good thing. I didn't like give them my car because I'm sure
I would have been asked out without whatever. But I finally drove out to Vegas and we tried to make it work. And when I got there, he started like grooming me like he had Like I didn't meet like any of his friends. Remember I met his friends in LA. But he introduced me to his cousin. It was like this female who was kind of curvey, you know, who danced at the time. So she was he was talking about, you know, did you ever think about dancing? And I'm like, no,
I'm no, at was that really his cousin? I have no idea, okay, So I'm like, no, I'm like, I have a master's degree, like I can always get a job, Like what do I need to dance for? Like that would be like last you know, case scenario whatever, Like I don't need to do that. And initially I was kind of like but I didn't even think I could.
Like I was like really thin and didn't really have like a lot of curves, and I'm like dancers usually, you know kind of you know, So I'm like, I can't do this, and then he's like, no, you know, you're sexy. You can definitely do and I'm like, yeah, no, that's not what I'm thinking. And then he was like, well, you know, I'm bringing money to the table. You know,
you need to bring money to the table too. So this was like his way of grooming me, you know, like if I'm gonna be working, hustling whatever it is I'm doing, I need to make sure that you're making some money too. Now I'm like, well, I can have like a regular job, and he's like no, because I kind of want your schedule to be as flexible as mine, where like if we needed to leave at whatever moment,
we could write anything like that. But even then you're on like a set schedule, so you know, he claimed he was like really busy, so he had me around the cousin a lot. So we would go to lunch, we just you know, kind of meet up. And then there was an instance where she took me to like the dancer supply store and it was kind of like okay, right, exactly, so she's buying some of her stuff and was like trying this on exactly. So that part, that's exactly what happened.
So everybody knows now, but at the time, you know, I was incredibly naive. I was super green and I had no idea. I mean, I was grown I wasn't a baby, but I didn't know that.
Life, right, you know, this is your first time experiencing it.
I didn't. I didn't know any dancing.
In New York and then going to Vegas is completely because New York dancing is not like a big but like that exactly, Vegas is like everywhere, right.
They run that city, you know what I mean, Like they keep the lights on, you know where it's here. It's not like that, you know. So at the time I was twenty seven, like I said, I was grown up and I graduated college.
When you got there. How were they living? Did they have like a mansion.
Or where did he live? Where did you I didn't when I first got there, I didn't see his house. I didn't see his house at all.
So where were you saying?
I stayed with a girlfriend. I stayed with a friend of a friend. And the thing that was interesting about that is the friend of a friend, our mutual friend, had told me she was in real estate. When I say at her house is when I realized she was a webcam girl. So it seemed like everybody kind of happen. It was a double life in Vegas.
Yeah she's living like was she living in like a really nice home?
Yeah?
She had a nice little townhouse, you know, a little white range. You know, it worked, you know, because they go out of bed.
You know, in Vegas, people who have money have crazy because it's importable exactly, know.
What I mean? Especially then it was even.
Yes, it's a Vegas, is a Nevada is really affordable to live in?
And what does your family say?
Because that's what you tell your family, I'm moving to Vegas with this guy.
Yeah, they were not at all happy about it. But like I said, at the time, I was a grown up. It's not like they could tell me you can't go, you know, like my dad at the time like stopped speaking to me like completely, so he knew. Yeah, I think he had that intuition like this, ain't it. You know? Did they meet him? No, they didn't meet him. That's part of it too. I never I haven't met this guy. But at the time, I only knew him like four or five months, you know, before I moved out there.
So you did eventually start dancing. I did without like within like a month after I moved to Vegas. I s I went and got my little sheriff's card and business license and all the things that you need to do to start dancing. The same chick that the cousin took me to a club that you know, I guess I felt comfortable in because it wasn't like what I was used to, you know. I'm used to like bigger booty chicks, like you know, doing some chicks on a paul.
These girls just walking around the paul. So I'm like, I could do that, Like I could do that. I probably could, right, And I remember having to go in and audition and everything, and that was probably at the time the most degrading experience I've ever had, you know,
having to be topless in front of people. I've never you know, I just met on a stage with a grease of poles, slippery and everything, but you know, he kind of kind of propped me up, like, oh my gosh, you know you could do this, You're so sexy, Like you could definitely make whatever money. My first night I made I think like three or four hundred dollars, and I listened when they tell you.
These are the rules.
Don't touch, don't do this, like however distance between the customer. So I'm surprised I made any money. But I feel like Vegas is more strict than other places. Yeah, definitely, so you know going home with it like a white club, I'm want to ask you that too. There are black clubs in Vegas. Let's be honest, Like the clubs are like I don't know, no, and not only that, they have like a quota, so they're only allowed to have so many black girls in the club.
What. Yeah, I don't know that very much.
So because we're not their aesthetic. Like if there's play a hip hop like that, they really don't and you know, because guys will come in and you know, their demographic is different, so it's gonna be a certain type of guy. He's gonna go in with his friends. He's not gonna want his friends to know that he might have a fetish like he might not necessarily, you know, it's just not our market. It's blonde, big boobs. It's like if they want anything exotic, it's like, you know, dark hair
is exotic, Asian is exotic. Yep, but it's not. It's not black girls. It's just not. So you know, I didn't necessarily make money that first time out. I was super nervous and I wasn't you know, comfortable, But he hyped me up and he was just like, you know, you can do this. He made three four hundred perfect. I think you can make like five hundred a night. Five hundred is a good is a good number. Was
he coming to the club, No, absolutely not. But if you think he wasn't even taking me, okay, wow, so it was a cousin taking me in it. When did you see him? I honestly would see him maybe once a week because he would have to come pick up money.
Oh so he was taking the money that you was taking the money that I made and did he leave you with any of it?
No? Oh, so how are you surviving? I don't think it's okay.
I don't think I knew that, okay.
And now the thing, yeah, the thing that that's weird because people that are not in a life wouldn't necessarily understand, like if you dance and you knew it whatever, Like for people that just don't know, they wouldn't know. But people that dance will probably be able to understand this.
People that you know, like you said you were really green, yeah, yeah, and.
You know, even like you know, pimps and hustlers will know the difference. It's one thing if you're honest with what it is that you're doing. He wasn't right, you know. It's like I was kind of coerced into it, like I was misled into it, like you legit or pimping me out, and that's what it was. But every time I would confront him about it, He's like, if I was a pimp, I wouldn't pimp you. I would get somebody who would make more money. I would get whatever.
So how did this last five years? I was numb for a couple of years. It's not like I numbed myself with like alcoholic drugs or whatever. I think I fought with him so much that I was like I had no more fight in me. I just kind of gave up. And how did it come to an end? I always knew like something was wrong. I always knew something was wrong. I kept confronting him about it, like again, even with his name he gave me. His name is
Nick Clark. Initially he introduced himself as that. Now remember car, right, it does sound like ridiculous. Now, Remember I came out to Vegas in.
My own car, right, I got like Superman.
Right, I came out to Vegas in my own car, which is nothing compared to his like luxury cars. So he would talk about, you know what, We're gonna put you into something you know a little better than this. We wanna put you on. What kind of car do you like? Let's go look at cars like you.
Know, so.
Exactly. Now I'm making more than enough money at this point, I'm making like five hundred dollars a night. I can buy my own car.
You know.
It was so his whole thing, I know exactly. So his whole thing was like, let's switch you out of this car. And I'm like, well, I'm still making payments on this car, have a note on this car. And he's like, well, what we'll do is we'll just stop piking payments. We'll go ahead and turn it into this dealership and then we'll move on to like the next thing. Now, I had no idea how that was going to affect my credit and my dad was like a code signer on my car ship, how that was going to affect
my relationship with my dad? All of this bullshit. So I'm trusting this guy that you know, I'm sleep away or all whatever, you know. And I'm like, okay, He's like, all right, give me the car and then we'll put you in something else. So he takes my car and never see it again. No one sees it again.
And he didn't and did and you didn't get another No I did.
He had me in multiple cars, like I was in a different car like every month, if not every couple of weeks, and it could be everything my car.
I think.
The ones that he put me in. I'll tell you about this because I paid attention all the cars that he put me in the minute I would get a car looking in the glove compartment, I'll be like, who car, Who's his car? Like no, I'd be like, who's this car registered? None of them ever had his name on them, none of them. And they would say these are his cars, and I'm like, well, who are these people? It would be like women, right, and I'd be like, well, who
is this person? And then I would find like you know, other things in the car wouldn't be brand new, but it would have a paper tag on it, so it would be like mail or something in the car.
Now.
At the time when I first moved to Vegas, remember saying with like a friend of a friend. He then had me like an extending stay, like Okay, we're gonna keep you in one of these little like extended to stay hotels until we can put you into like something more permanent and put you in an apartment or whatever. One of the apartments he wound up putting me in His sister lived around the corner. I don't know who this woman was either, but like.
All everybody, all of these people, that's what I'm thinking, were you, yah, I'm thinking that these other women whose names were on these cars were other us.
Yeah, I don't know. So what happened was we had he when I first got there, you know, his whole thing was like, you know, I was part of a credit union here in New York and they didn't have a bank in Vegas. So he's like, well, that's fine, just take all your money out. We'll put it in a bank here. I know. So it's his bank, it's his bank, it's whatever. And he basically was like, Okay, I know someone who works at this particular bank will set you up on an account here and put my
money in this account. He gives me like a bank card. He said, this is your address. It was like a post office box or whatever. You'll get all the statements here. I get the bank card, I go to ATM. I couldn't withdraw any money, and I have my money in it. Listen is horrible. I'm surprised, honestly sometimes that I'm here, because, like one, I could have killed him. I could have killed myself.
I wouldn't put it past Listen. I wouldn't put anything past him.
I definitely would have put up a fight, okay, because throughout.
Our relationship were so vulnerable at that time, like whatever was going on with you personally that it feel like you wanted this to be something that it wasn't.
I mean, I was in love before, and I remember what that was like, so I wanted to do whatever to kind of get you had to be in love with him. You did, for it wasn't the same type of love that I had prior to that. So electricity, Yeah, I was trying to grow up Jim.
Prior to him taking your range rover, did he try to get you to do things that felt weird that Like, was he trying to get you to do anything like invest in something or event him money.
Prior to him taken my range way, I'm trying to think of a time like no, absolutely, this was prior to because I wouldn't have give him money after that. So prior to him taken my range rover, we because he claims to be a real estate broker and not a real estate program I'm sorry, investor and a car broker, so I have been talking to him about real estate because it was something that I was like, okay, yeah,
like you know, I know what's lucrative. I would, you know, get into it, but I just don't know enough and I don't have enough time to like manage all of these things. And he was like oh yeah, you know, it's a great it's a great thing to do and
blah blah blah. And he was like telling me about some of his investments, which we're all bullshit, right, So he was like, well, yeah, So no, we had that conversation, and I would say like probably like a couple of weeks later, he was like, hey, I found this great opportunity blah blah blah. I guess it was like flipping a house whatever whatever. And for me, I was like okay, I really wasn't trying to get into like the logistics. I was just like, Okay, what's the what's the end result?
Like what am I gonna make here?
Right?
So he was like, oh yeah, you'll like triple your money or whatever it was. He said that sounded appealing to me, and I was like okay, cool, yeah, like I'll do it. And so the first one he was like okay, it's like twenty five thousand or something like that, and I was like, okay, well, if I'm gonna make a hundred thousand, I'm like that sounds like a win to me. You know, did that and then he was like okay, well, you know it's gonna take a couple months, which I assumed you know.
You gave him twenty five thousand.
I gave him forty thousand, okay, and this was before he took my range roverer so but again, but it was you know, this is a good deal. It's a real estate and this No.
It sounds like a good deal, but you didn't get anything back on it.
No, I'm in a deficit. Let's be clear. Okay, I'm out of forty thousand and a rain drover girl.
Yes, sheesh, girl, that that really But it's hard because you trusted him, Yes, you know you felt like he was this investor. You feel like, Okay, I want to take a risk and have my money make some money. Understand that. Did you have like an attorney or any type of paperwork?
No?
And so I have to say this right because I know people kind of don't really understand how this happens. But if you're in a relationship with someone, what you're going to be is trusting, right, And so I think for me, I've never dealt with someone of this nature.
And it's never happened to you before.
No, never happened to me before. And I don't know, I just always kind of thought that people were genuine like me.
No, to be honest, if it's a guy and I'm dating him and I trust him, I wouldn't even ask him for.
No paperwork me.
Now after having this conversation important, even with him not telling me his real name, with him not telling me his real name, how would I know that? Like, you don't meet someone, start dating and be like, let me see your life in right or you know they pay for a bill.
Believe that's credit card or for seed or.
Looking at their credit card. I just because I want to want someone to do it to me, right.
But somebody, but you're different. People could google you know you're they know that's how you are. Yeah, And I feel like and I do. I know people say, oh meet somebody, see who they are, but I do feel like it is important to like google people, you know, just in Jenner just putting that out. We're talking about
these things for anybody listening. You know, when you are dating somebody, and I always do feel like I don't care, like because I've done business deals with people that have gone left as not nobody I've dated, but like any type of deal can go left, and so if somebody cares about you and you're in a relationship and you want to do a deal together.
The best thing to do contracts and paperwork.
Yeah, is to make sure but that probably wouldn't matter with him anyway. Honestly, like as somebody who as a kind of artist, even if you have paper.
What I tell people, you also have to remember that this man is a con artist. And not only is he a con artist, but he's been doing this for decades. So like Angela, you've been on the radio for how long?
Eighteen years?
Okay, so almost two decades, right, So I would like to say she's almost an expert in what she does. Obviously she's amazing. She's got her own shop, like you know what I mean. So when you do something for an extended almost two decades, you're damn near.
Expert's an expert artist.
So he studies his craft just like an actor. They study their craft, they win Emmy's. So this man knows what vulnerabilities and how to play on people's emotions.
Because a whole lot of people started sending messages once you put your story out there, people were reaching out to me.
I was like, II, and so I'm gonna tell you. So I didn't feel electricity because I want a moment to finish her story. But when I met him, I met him at the same reaches in Atlanta. I was there for Tanisha's birthday.
I was there for the To's wedding.
And so for those who don't know, the Saint Regis is one of the if not the best hotel in Atlanta.
Like yeah, absolutely, yeah, he's gonna put himself in those circles. He's going.
It's like the Saint Regis, the waldor the Thompson, that's the new work.
So I'm at the bar. We're at the bar, We're having drinks.
It's a little I'm not.
Really paying attention. I'm on my phone. He walks up, he tells the bartender or get them what they want, whatever drinks they want. So it kind of intrigued me because I'm not used to men just coming up and saying they'll pay for whatever without wanting a conversation game like they always want to talk about something or whatever. So I was like, oh, and then he left, they can move.
Wow, what an impression. Get whatever you want. I'm not even gonna rash is right.
So then when he is back, You're like, wait, you know what I mean. And it's tall, right, he's handsome. I did not take that from him. He's definitely like he's handsome. He's now I think.
He's just disgusting.
But you know, when you first look at him, you're like, okay, both men and like guy, you know, definitely, So I was. I was intrigued. And when he came back like later on, he was like, oh, you know, are y'all good? Whatever? Whatever? So Tania goes and embarrass me and she's like she pulls out like Instagram. She's like, you know who she is.
I'm like, oh my god, you knew whatever another he does, and I've learned this from around him. You treat you treat he's somebody like nobody and nobody like there's somebody okay, So again that's what he does. It was game.
He knew who you were, but you don't even know me, you know, Okay, No, he's just think I'm flying.
This was lying, but I hate when people do that because I'm not that person at all, you know what I mean. So anyway, we exchanged numbers and he started texting. He was like, oh, you know, like I got a table across the street, a regent whatever. But she didn't want to go there. It was her birthday and I was like, yeah, like we're not going to end up coming whatever. So the next day he was like, hey, do you want to go to lunch? And I'm like, you know, I'm in Atlanta, I'm single, Like, you know,
let me go to lunch. So we went to Houston's and we sat at Houston's at the bar for hours and just like talked.
That's cute. You had dis finished it.
Right, and we were just talking talking. But what I realized is that he was just trying to get information about me, right, because I love to talk. I think face to face communication, like you'll definitely win me over.
And you know what, we love when men ask us questions and are interested.
You know, really, again, I have to remind you guys, he's been doing this for two decades. He studies his crap, he knows what to do, he knows how more women and men.
So she said it.
I mean that's when he really would back down when you start bringing at us.
This was this was a trigger for me. So my ex husband was a cancer. My boyfriends after him have been a cancer.
One is Eric who's on the farm right now.
You know what? And another one that's in jail.
Okay, oh yeah, Tim Norman. Can you cancer too? Yes, you might want to stay. My friend is a cancer. I'm scared.
Wait a minute, so.
I don't know.
So I said to myself, cancers are really attracted to me. And I was like, Wow, this is going so amazing. I need to ask him his birthday because if he says he's a cancer, I'm running out of here, right. And I was like, hey, so when's your birthday? And he said December twenty eighth. He's like and I'm like, like me, I'm CROs and I got goosebumps and I was like, and he's like, what's wrong? And I didn't really know how to take it or what to read
into it or like. It just was very odd because I had never met anyone with that birthday and that was the day that my mother passed away. And so when I said that, I think Antenna's went off for him because he knew, okay, like how to and for me, you can't put an expiration on grief. And so my mom and I were very close to Angela knows this, and so I think I'm always looking for a connection to my mother. And so when he said it, I didn't know, Like I was like, is it too good
to be true? Like I didn't know what it was. But we're sitting here, we're having this conversation. It have been hours, it was. It just was effortless, and I was like, Okay, maybe this is.
Something that's happened to be Yeah, and he really played.
Into because one I'm a hopeless romantic and two I'm looking for that connection to my mother.
Right.
Wow, look girl, Sorry.
I didn't mean a no, It's fine.
I almost felt myself tearing.
I'm but you know, I also look at it like this, even with this experience, you might have been the person you ladies to help a lot of other people, because this is something I think about it. Mona like years ago posted about this and probably thought nothing was ever gonna happen.
And there's a lot of people who came forward.
That's like I'm never gonna see justice from this person, and that's something that will like tear at you forever.
But now this happened to you.
Somebody who has a platform, somebody who was like, Okay, this is what we're about to do. We're gonna do a whole documentary and give everyone a chance to speak their peace and also try to make sure because you did file charges against him, right.
Yeah, So I went to the police station. I did the police support, but it's not up to me. It's what they investigate, what they find to file charges. So you know it is it's very difficult for victims of love fraud crimes because one you're already devastated, you're emotionally drained and financially drained, and so it takes a lot and it's embarrassing.
It's definitely embarrassed, right, Like I think a lot of people will tell you it's embarrassing.
That's why a lot of people will take their l inside with car and keep it moving. But the thing is, if you do that, you give them power because then they can go do it to the next person.
But it's also really hard to get justice even if you speak out absolutely. I mean, like I definitely when I was younger, had an incident where I was trying to get this car and my brother hooked me up at this guy. I gave him eight thousand dollars cash because he said he was a car dealer and.
Never never saw your money. Yeah, car and I tried to.
Do I talked to the DA, the assistant DA contacted me. But it's really hard when things like this happened to even get justice.
No, it is, and it takes it's emotionally draining, and it takes a lot of time, and you really have to be relentless because they're like whatever, it's just another case, Like they don't care. They have a million cases. And again it's not.
Like it's not a vialent somebody.
It's not a violent crime, so it's not at the top of their list.
Like you have to really hire a private investigator to try to get anything. And then what sex is that he's still in Atlanta and still doing it.
He's still doing it and still doing that. You guys got a lot of people to come or were in to their studients.
Oh my DMS girl.
And people are still juicy.
Yeah, and this is years in the making, like this you this was almost two years ago that you sent out this message and made people wear and people are still two years later coming forward telling their stories.
And what really made him back down that day when all this stuff was because then he posted some like fake messages, you know, like from him and Jennifer talking about basketball wise, and she was like going in on it, but it was like very clearly fake cause I'm like, why would he be gossiping with you and your day?
And I don't even do that with guys that I'm d like.
I think he did that. Remember, he's not alone in this, the same way he had the cousin and the sister or whatever. They're they're supporting him. Know his multiple baby mamies are involved.
But what I will say what made him back down was when the guys that he step with.
When I started posting them dms that the gay men were hitting me like, oh yeah, I met him on Jacked. We were at this address in Jonesborough. I have pictures of him naked in bed and I was posting all that shit.
Yes, And that's when.
Right, that's when his attorney contacted Jamie be like okay, he'll take this down if she because I'm like, okay, you want to play, like, let's go because my thing is like at that time I had put the post up. We had just the breakfast club, which I had got threatened prior. He had reached out to Mona prior trying to pay her off, not to do the breakfast club.
How much for you? Not enough? It's never enough unless he can pay me. It's an amount of money that I like a put up for those It's nothing. It's not billion time owe you. It's nothing. It's not even enough money to we So.
Yeah, I mean I was getting threats, but prior to that, I had got I had got threats. He had spoofed the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office and like called me and tried to like.
I was concerned about you at that time.
I would say, Jennifer, you can't be moving around by yourself, like and.
I'm so much a loner, but I have to say this right and I'm gonna stay it on lip service and I'm say this on VH one, and I'm safe for whoever. Like, if I get as much as a flat tire, there's going to be a problem because we know who did it, you know what I mean. So it's like, I'm not really concerned. I do have to be a little more cautious about moving around, and especially I think after this documentary comes out, I might have
to hire security. And I'm okay with that, but if anybody lays a finger on me, you know who did it?
Well, what about this upcoming court date that you have? How are you feeling about it?
So I have not seen him in forever, and I just feel like he feels like he's invincible. So I don't know if he's going to show up to court. It's an arrayment. So I believe that you have to be there. But I don't know that I have much faith in the court system because you have to think, he's been arrested sixty six times, probably way more.
Than this is six times.
It's probably closer to like eighty now because the way this man.
Has ripped off his own family members, you know, you have to be a special kind of yes.
So for what kind of demings did he get arrested for?
For all these times? It can be anything. It could be you know, no proof of insurance. It could be fictitious tag. Remember how I told you, Oh, Vega, I was like paper tag. It could be DUI. It could be anything, be any and everything.
So he's used to being arrested. I'm sure he's used to going to court and what has come of it because he's still on the street scamming people. So I mean, I don't really know that anything is going to happen with court, but I know that I'm gonna be relentless. I'm going to hope for the best. But this is why I'm doing the documentary because I can't. I can't
depend on the justice system. What I can depends on is myself and bringing awareness to society and a community and women and men and letting them know that this man is out here scamming you. And for me, I just want to do this to just have an impact and absolutely good.
Yeah, but it's that I think that the documentary, we should put his face on billboards.
Yep, scale because he keeps changing his name, so you can google his name. But if he's going to come up with something.
And then behind it, this is behind it and his picture with all the name scam likely right.
So for me, I have to do this because I said, if it's the last thing I do before I leave this earth, I'm going to let people know that this man is a menace to society.
I'm what would you say, do you want to run into him personally? Like, would you be nervous? What do you think that would be?
Like?
I think probably initially I would be nervous, but I do. I would actually love to have a conversation with him, and I would love to ask him like what is your psyche? How did you how did you scam your own father? How do you sleep at night?
Right? Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like, like what, I.
Would love to help you find him, because you know, I'll come to Atlanta and we will.
You know where he lives.
Time, Yes, he still lives there from what I understand.
Okay, I'm fine with that. You know how kind of Atlanta. I'm there all the time. Well, I'll make a trip. Let's go find he probably still does he still go to the Saint Regis.
Probably yet, you know what, somebody told me she saw him at the Saint Regis. And I know. So here's the thing. When I'm out of town, when I'm in La working, that's when he comes out a little bit more. And so a friend of mine is a bartender at the Garden Room, which is in the same serious, and he's been spotted there several times. But I'm in LA.
He knows, got to start posting when you're not there. Yeah, right, Like I'm right.
But people that have seen him out in Atlanta too, they're like, he's always like looking real, sketchy, like ducked off in a corner.
So we'll find him.
He got one, you know, he want to see.
He needs to be under probably scared you.
He's not.
He's still out there. He's still like hides the plain sight. Because again, there are people he's that are coming forward now, even after breakfast club, even after all of this, that are like, oh he explained it away as though this is just a bitter ex Like, oh, there's something different. It's a misunderstanding, and he's able to charm them right out of some money.
He's famous for that. Oh, she's just bitter. She wants to be with me, Like not in a million years. We're over it, Like no, you know what, as a real question, listen, I know a lot of people that wann't run.
Into him, run over him, run over him.
Okay, Now I gotta ask you this, was there ever any for both of you, ladies, indication to you that he liked men as well?
When I was with him, I didn't get that. But after, you know, we finally ended, and I told you that, Baby Mama contacted me when we were kind of comparing notes. She talked about some things that they would do intimately that he and I never did. She was strapping up, she was strapping up, pegging all of that. So I was like, I knew nothing about pegging. I'm not the strap. Yes, yes, I knew nothing about that. So you know she had
done that with him. That was not my thing. So I kind of was like, So when the man came forward, I was kind of like, all right, I'm not surprised at all because you already knew that. So there's nothing he did like.
He never put a finger in his butt or anything, or he never was like we like.
Our next he scoot the gucca. He never scow up. You never was down there. He was like hello, hella, I.
Don't know no, and listen. When I learned of that, I was just mortified because you think, like, damn, I've been like into men with this man and he is clearly So yeah.
I have this theory and men hate when I say it, but I really feel like there's so many men out here that are down load bisexual and just are afraid to express themselves, like you know, and come out if women are men? Are you saying exactly? I feel like there's so many women like myself who was bisexual openly, and we can't beat only ones like it's.
A lot of them.
I'm not saying I'm not pointing a finger or saying that most of them, but there are there are way more men that are touching on their homeboys than we know because Guy's experiment too. Yeah, yeah, I actually and I have my gay friends that tell me that they only date street men, which doesn't make sense to me. But yeah, I have a lot of gay friends that'd be like I only one if they straight. I only want them if they got a baby, mamre wife like other gay men.
The one thing that did to Night when we first started this is the first guy we came across because but not only that, he just wasn't like esthetically pleasing, like it'd be one thing if he's a cute gay guy.
He's not even about the money.
I know that it's not. We don't care.
If it's fan camera, I don't care, You don't care, imagin woman, blood, cry, gender, it doesn't matter. All he sees is Yes, I know you're frustrated with the whole legal process, but since you fold the police support has even arrested.
Yes, he has been arrested. They finally charged him with theft by deception and he got off on bond because it's COVID and he does have a court date. So his first court date is he's going to be a rain. And honestly, these cases they took, while it's not like it's going to happen overnight, it's going to be right. I have nothing but time for me. I feel like I've waited this long, So however long it takes, I'm willing to wait out the process.
Could he potentially get jail time.
When you steal someone's card, that is a felony, and yes, that is one of the penalties.
I would love to go to court with you.
I would love to like ride around Atlanta, go to his places, find him, go to court, see what it's like in court, be there to support you.
Please. I need all the support I can get. I was just telling, well, not like I'm so happy to have her, because I feel like I'm not in this by myself. She knows what it's like. And I'm so grateful for the people that have been brave enough to come forward to you know, tell their story, because it's not an easy thing. And then you put a camera in somebody's space. It's it's already a difficult subject to
talk about. And you know, for Mona, this happened to her years ago, and she kind of has to relive everything over and over again. So I'm grateful and I need as many soldiers as I can get. So for me, I'm not going to stop because I.
Think he wants to intimidate you guys. That's why I think it's dope to be able to go look for him.
Yeah, no, so wants to intimidate. But I think at this point he knows that I'm not scared of you. I have already exposed you. I'm going to continue to expose you. And I would love to run into him. I would love to run into him with cameras, no cameras. I just want to know, what the hell is your psyche? Like how could you even sleep at night? How could you do this to your father? Like let alone me,
Like that's cool. But I feel like I am the spokesperson at this point for everybody that he's done this too, right, and people have not been able to cover from the things that he's done to them. There is long life lasting effect.
I know there's people who have ruined their credit for him.
Yes, have overextended themselves, who've separated from depression, who've been suicidal.
It's honestly, it's horrible. Like Maria, this happened to her in two thousand and four and she lost her home. She had two kids, So it's like it's not only am I like doing it for Maria, but it's for her kids. You know, you you just like taking people's lives.
And he has a daughter that I think her mom contacts.
Dallas, right, and the mother contacted.
You as well. Amazing young scumpet.
And Dallas is a beautiful spirit. She is super talented. Was on America's Got Talent. I think when she was on America's Got Talent, he reached out to her because now he's, oh I com manage you, Yeah, like oh I could be a manager. But had seen her probably one other time prior to that.
In her whole life, and this is her dad.
Right, and she would reach out and he would just yeah, yeah, no, he's absolutely disgusting.
We got to find him.
I propose that we go down there and try to run upon him. You know, I'm getting you know, we got our phones down I'm right now, I can go.
I'll just need that.
No, I mean, because he does have to be exposed, because the thing about it is that if we're quiet about this, he can continue to do this to other people. And my whole point in doing this is to help somebody and to save their bank account and their livelihood because he's destroying people's lives.
I think this documentary is going to do a lot too, honestly, Like I know, the process is not easy, and like you said, you're going to be repeating these stories, both of you, you know, over and over and over and over and over again for people to hear it and understand it. Because it is two people will see the headline and be like, that's stupid, how did they fall for that or whatever. I don't believe them.
They need to understand we're not the only people ye at all, because I know, just after you know, you made your posts, there were other women that came forward that have the exact same story as mine. They were removed from their families. He had them out in Vegas, he had them dancing, some of them the same time I did, and he was taking all of their money, you know. And these are women who didn't have that danger pass that were just as green as I was,
and they're afraid to come forward. Some of them even had children with him.
How did you recover with your family, because that's important too, Like you said, it destroyed certain relationships and with your father, right.
I think, honestly, you know, I just I wasn't. Like, this is forcing me to be transparent, This is forcing me to tell my story because I didn't. They didn't know, and they probably won't necessarily know until it's aired. But what I did prepare them for with the Breakfast Club interview is that people are going to say some things about me, and I just want you to be prepared for that. And they were like, listen, we got your back, whatever it is, that's great. So I think that was
the battery. I needed him in my bag, honestly, right.
Right, and like I always saw her, I'm super appreciative of her, and just because she's been there with me, Like riding and this, it gets dark and it gets lonely and you want to give up. And I've had some of the victims, you know, send me messages and
DM and they're like, Jennifer, please don't give up. Keep your foot on his neck, and that keeps me going and then you know, having conversations with her because it gets frustrating and you get discouraged because it's like you're screaming is from the mountaintops and he's been arrested, and you know certain things have happened where you should It's like it's clearly laid out for you, Like what can't you see? Why is this man so walking around? So
I think the problem is in the black community. This is something we don't talk about because we are very prideful and nobody wants to feel like, you know, they got scams or somebody took advantage of them, and we don't talk about.
It because we see a lot of documentaries, but I haven't seen from our culture, like no black people. You know, we've seen a lot of these, you know, I show time on Netflix on everything.
It's hard to talk about our elves becaublicly.
We have egos, Like, let's just be real about it, like we have egos. I have an ego too. I had to lay that shit on the line and put it down when I made that post.
Because I before you, I was he was calling me like, oh yeah girl, this da da da da da, Like trying to tell me, oh, you see that. I'm like, first of all, like a promise you because you know, Jennifer, we know this from basketball wise, but you've always had it. Ain't like you're gonna make up some story to get attention.
You're good.
This is not any tension that anybody wants, you know, the exactly that you want to get. But it is important to be able to feel like, this is not my fault that this happened to me. I trusted somebody and it's not my fault that somebody took advantage of my trust.
And he was literally counting on your ego. He was just so you wouldn't say anything.
That's really dumb of him, though, because exactly you have this platform. He knows you could blast him at any moment, but he thought you would be too embarrassed to do it because how you were.
Because that's that's been his story, you know, because I'm not the first person that's on TV or celebrity or et cetera that he has scammed, nor the last. Unfortunately, right, but nobody wants to put their pride down. Nobody wants to you know. We we all have egos and for me it's so much bigger than me. It's bigger than my brain drover, it's bigger than the money he took for me as a person. I feel like it's the right thing to do, and I'm grateful that I'm able
to recover from him. But maybe the next person he does is to can't.
Right, right, because it's sixty thousand dollars. You know, it's not gonna end your life. It's a lot of money, but you're gonna be okay. But for somebody else that could really destroy them.
Somebody else is in like I have a Ferrari too, right, so I can just drive that.
Nobody you know what I'm saying, People don't have it, Like, it's not gonna make send people ten thousand dollars could break them, right.
And you said it's bigger than you, But it took someone as big as you to share your spotlight and shine some of that onto him because there were people like me that him been screaming for a long the time. But nobody hears us. Our platform is not as big as your work. That's such he's been saying that. I've been talked to like Las Vegas Metro Police Department, FBI dozens of years agoin they don't care.
And imagine how many people have different stories about different people that will never be heard because they just don't care.
And I just say, there's power in numbers, right, and so it's until you get a bunch of people that have the same story and this number becomes astronomical and you literally call out the authorities. This man has been arrested by the FBI. The FBI has pulled up to Maria's job, The FBI has pulled up on Ramona. Why is the FBI not doing anything? How many you're protecting him?
How many people have come forward so far? Would you if you had to guess to me?
Oh my, the way my and the dms were so crazy, like I'm talking about I mean, there were street dudes. There were just you know, and again his.
Street dudes on Instagram they are listen, I did. Somebody called me from jail.
I were like, okay, Like, I mean, the amount of people that this man has touched and taken their money or some way, shape or form credit.
He hasn't been touched.
It's right. No people people were sending Jamie emails that he allegedly was like business partners with and they were like, I'm surprised this man is still alive.
Wow, exactly, he's basically Listen, you said, the FBI, like, why aren't they doing They take a little time to investigate, So don't be surprised you've seen it. Have they come after him? Especially it's been two years since he took your car.
Twenty years since he's been doing this. I guess the one person who came forward who had, like I guess, information from like two thousand and three to four, Like it's been twenty years that we know.
Yeah, don't be surprised if the FBI, I guess slow. Yeah, they moved slow, but they might come.
Well, honestly, I have been told that he's an informant. Well, but the thing is, so that's why, right, I don't I mean, I don't know, I'm not, but I can when when you do something on this platform and magnitude something, I just feel like something has to happen.
Yeah, yeah, it's too public.
All right, Well, we're gonna definitely I cannot wait to see this documentary.
And I can't wait for you to come to land.
That cannot me, I was gonna say, And I cannot wait till we go to court and you get to see him face to face.
I'm gonna be right there with you.
I see him before court, and.
We're gonna try to pull up to some of his locations that he likes to go to where he gets spotted, because I know as soon as somebody hit you and say they saw him, you ready to jump up.
Yes, and your bonding and everything.
I don't wear a bonnet, by might have a scorrephone. It's our mess.
Don't let's talk about the hairline.
You know what I'm saying.
Eh, yes, yes, no, I mean I'm ready, Okay.
Were ready? Let's go. Let me know I'm pulling up.
Let's do it all right?
Well it's lipservis.
Thank y'all so much for joining and actually sharing your story with us, because I really do appreciate it. But you know we in your corner. Thank you, Ramona, thank you, thank you, Jennifer, thank you.
Thank you.
And I just want to add one last thing, ladies, gentlemen, if you have been scammed, please do not take it in private. Go to the authorities, follow a police report. I don't care if nothing happens, but at least get it on record. So in the future you can possibly do something about it, just don't don't take it in and posted.
I think what Ramona did was great, Like make sure that if somebody googles this person, it comes up, it comes it left the record, because that's how y'all man.
Absolutely, all right, Well let's lip service. Thank you,