Episode 397: LOL (Feat. Coco Jones)

wanted to be separate from my government name. And plus when I go back to Tennessee and needs to give stay humble. So, dude, if you're dating a guy, right, does he call you Coco or Courtney the way you got straight into it. I normally when I'm when I'm dating a guy, I kind of get cringed out when they call me Coco. Okay. I don't know why I do that. Yeah, I don't know why I do that because I have some of my friends that I've known for a really long time that I met in LA

they called me Coco. But then I have other friends that I also meant like as an adult that call me Courtney. I don't know. I don't know. Whatever sits right. If it don't sit right, then I'm like, change that one up, because I always think that about like when entertainers have a different like a you know, kind of a stage name, but it is a play on your real name, so I get it. It's like a nickname. But then when you're in bed and they're like, oh, Cocoa,

You're like, whoa you know, yeah, I don't know. It just depends. I think. Also sometimes it's like a if I meet somebody in the industry and we all do things in the industry, then it's weird if they call me Courtney, because I'm like, hey, we're in the industry, like this is this is that? This isn't that you know what I'm saying. And especially if you introduce yourself a certain way. Yeah, I think whatever you introduce yourself as, I would think they would kind of keep didn't go

with that. But sometimes if I tell a guy what I like, I tell them I do something completely different. Like sometimes I'll be like, oh, I work for my parents construction company. My name's Courtney. I'll do a completely different life. They do not, they no, they really don't.

One time, I did tell this guy that's like my go to fake career year in life, and so I did tell him that, and then we went to this restaurant and then the waiter was like co I was like, right now, it is that deceptive though, because then let's say you really like this guy. Now even lied, what's fine, He'll be all right, I feel I mean, he's gonna have to come and understand because it's not like easy to just honestly, Sometimes it's weird for me to even say that I'm a singer, like what do you say

when you ask? What do you do? Honestly, if they're asking what I'm doing, I'm probably going to lie, which is not great. But it's because if they don't ask them, they already know, so we don't even have to even talk about it. I don't know. Is it weird to talk about Yes, like it is, And I feel like sometimes guys be like I'll be like, oh yeah for me. She came in and Mutu was playing and she started singing. I was like, Okay, you really no, that's hilarious. Sometimes

I honestly sing without even knowing. But it really just depends, I think for me too. It's more like the vibe, Like if I feel, oh, this is a normal person or they have there's still some normalcy there, then I'll be normal too. But if they're all industry, if they're all weird, then I'm a lie. Where did you meet the guy that you hum up to like about your career too? Get him? Would you ask where did she meet the guy that she lied to about her career,

because then we would know who she is? But where did you meet this person for them not to know who you are? That's a great question. So when I do normal things, like when I'm not doing like work stuff, I like to do completely normal things if possible. So at that time, I had went with my homegirl to the guy she was talking to is like little house party kickback, and he was there, and then I'm always like, hi, like let's see if they know like how they act,

and he was giving confused and didn't know. I was like, oh right, okay, Hi, you don't see you If your home girl's talking to a guy, he already done. Tell Okay, so my girl is bringing Coco Jones, so like, but at you don't know her because she loved that. Now

that would be some triggering com triggering. I don't know, because my friends, like they're not all in the industry either, Like I have some friends who are like like nurses or you know, like in their own fields that have nothing to do with music, and they don't understand it at all, like like law or something, you know. So it would be one of those friends who just wouldn't even think to bring that up. Some of my friends

don't understand why people know me. Like look, we were walking under block and these women turned around like them, and there's like, why are they looking at us? People be knowing who I am sometimes like you forget sometimes like you walking around and then they stare and I'm like, what the hell are they stare? And she's like, I mean I am standing there to you. Oh that's right. Like my best friend I walked out of her house and the neighbor was like, hey, Angela, and she was like,

how do you know my neighbor? And I'm like I don't. Right, it's also got to be interesting too, because you're you're going to race here, yeah, so like your family and stuff's here and your career. Like from me, I feel like when I go to LA it's like a different world. It's none of my family's there for real, Like it's always been about work. When I went there, I couldn't imagine if I was born and raised in the place where my career. Also, So you were raised in Tennessee, right,

but you were born in South Carolina. I was born to Southlina, raised in Tennessee. Do you live in LA now or I do. I moved to LA when I was seventeen, and then I came to New York for a year because I was doing Broadway. And then I came back at eighteen and I was like, Okay, I can do this now. Broadway it's tough. Y'all know. First of all, y'all know I love going to Broadway plays. Okay, I said, Lord to see her first Broadway for Color Girls. Oh yes, we went. Yeah, we went to go see that.

And I just went to go see d Wood. She does all these plays now. She was in Black Odyssey. So I just went to How did you like doing Broadway? Did a lot? It was just so hard, Yeah, I was. It was the hardest part about it. Well, I mean, it's everything is up to you. It's all depending on you. Like I guess in the acting world, you're kind of catered to a little bit. More like you can go and get your hair and makeup done. Do you want any breakfast? Your breakfast will be in your trailer when

you get back. Da Hey, they're ready for you. They're not anymore. Go to your trailer and it's warm in there, and you can light your own candles. Here. It was like, you're with everybody. We'll be here at seven am. No, No, where's my microphone? They were like, put it on. I was like, what about my outfit? Here I go, I'm carrying props. I was like, what the hell is this? Though?

It was grounding, and I will say like I was like, okay, humble, humble, And I appreciated it for the skill and the art and the passion of it because the people around me. I was the youngest one and the newest one. Actually that's not true. There was this little kid that played a little kid, but he was like a vet in it too. They getting newbie. They were like, girl, get

your props together. I'm sorry. After that experience and you, you know, do other jobs in the industry, you think you ever like circle back and maybe give it another try once you have some more kind of experience something about. Honestly, I could see myself wanting that challenge again because it really was a little more. Yes, it really did bring out something something in me that's like I felt like a g a Bronx sale. Yeah, okay, right, okay, So

I would do it again. And especially if I one day have the goal of doing like the Egott type life, I would have to circle back right, Well, you have a sense of humor. Have you ever considered doing like a little stand up or anything? People have said that, They're like, you need to do comedy. I'm just like, I just do not see myself getting on the stage and not singing. I feel like I'd be like a pretender. I don't know. But you can sing in your comedy.

That now part of your whole because yeah, a whole new trend you could be. I mean, I want to offer me a bag to do it. I will figure out, yeah, used to sing ye party with my new career path, well, I'm really trying to break into artistry and really like solidify myself as one of the R and B girls. And then, honestly, I would I would take on anything I don't want to put myself in any type of box. Well, congratulations because I feel like the stars are aligned hello

for you right now. It's been crazy my life, but my life has literally been crazy. I just like we were all talking about, I had this performance in DC, and I was literally so emotional because the last time that people knew the words to my songs and like were there just to see me. Like I was literally like sixteen, wow, and I had been I was just signed and I felt how I feel now, like oh my god, it's all coming together, you know, and it

just did not at that time. So it's like deja vu in a way, and I'm just like, I understand why it didn't work out that that way. Thank you God. I'm so glad because had I known that it was going to be like this, I wouldn't have even been that pressed. Yeah, but you know, you can't ever know.

You never know, and sometimes, like in the moment and you were younger too, Yeah, it's so much harder when you're oh my gosh, had this anticipation and you think you're right there, and then it feels like the world's gonna end. It felt it felt like the world itself was ending. I was like all of you are not existing because the world is over. Like my dreams, My dreams were my everything. I didn't care about boys, didn't care about none of that. So then I had to

go and live. And like I met these usc girls that became like my best friends. And when I was outside and then I was like, oh wait, the world, the world, a whole new world, shout out to a ladder. But I guess in the time, like I had to grow because I was so naive. I literally was homeschooled at the time. I only cared about jobs, and like when the next opportunity, I didn't want to be outside. I didn't even know what outside was giving. I never drank, did none of that. So like I needed things to

write about and real artists be living that life. Yeah, be about that, Lite, I need you to get your heartbroken, okay, And did shout out to ICU, right, thank you and not tell us about the heartbreak? What happened? L O l um. Well, Honestly, I think at the time I wasn't the best version of myself because my career and the things that made me me, they were so up in the air, so uncertain. So at the time I guess I wanted a relationship way more than I should have,

you know what I'm saying. And it wasn't that he didn't want the same. It was more like I was just not focused anymore. Like I was like, this, this career hurting me. So what we're trying to do? You know what I'm saying, Like I don't even want to There's only disappointment here, like this is fun, this is safe, this is great, you know what I'm saying. And then when things changed and my career was starting to bubble again, I was like, uh, sorry, hate to shift things around.

And it wasn't like it was any bad blood or anything there. It was really once my life got back on track, I was so different and I just had such different priorities that we could we didn't. We didn't make sense anymore. Like he would be doing his thing over there and I'd be doing mine over here, and

then we wouldn't see each other. And then we would see each other and they'd be like, oh my god, this is great, but like our lifestyles don't match anymore, Like what we want out of life doesn't match anymore. Now that I am back to who I am, I want to be this girl, and this girl can't be where you're at. She's doing her thing. You know, it

just didn't make sense. But we always would like stop talking to each other and be like, all right, cool, we're friends, we're good, we're good, And then it'd be like circling back, congratulations on that, how are you? How are things? One more time around the block? Just ridiculous. Did you think for a period of time that he was the one, because, like you said, you keep going back to somebody and you started thinking like, maybe this

is it. I think there was a time where I thought he was the one, But I think for a really long time I just knew he was the closest to the one, you know, when like you have other guys that are cool, but they're just not hitting the way that that chemistry would hit, you know. Or maybe it's that I was so blind by that chemistry and what that was in the in the peak of it, that I couldn't even see these other guys as like

good too, like solid contenders. So I think it was more like I romanticized what it was and like I wanted it to be that again. So that's like the song double Back seem like you did it, went and did this, and and did a whole album. Okay, I'm like, we're gonna get some content out of this band. And it's a still giving. The sex was amazing. I don't know if say it was the sex part of the real going back, I'm scream when the sexes will we always think they won, right, they got the potential to

be the one w hate you, But that's sexy. I'm crying because it really wasn't for me. It wasn't. It wasn't that it was like that was my first love. You know what I'm saying, Like that was that's a whole different that's what That's what I knew. It was my comfort zone. Yes, it was about comfort. Yeah, it really was not. It was about comfort. It was really about but it was about that too. Anyway, I'm gonna sit one left out because sometimes but the first person

you don't know what great sex is. No, yeah, so you think this is it and you're like, oh, it is a sex and then you have great sex and you're like, oh, but you probably broke his heart too, though, Like from what I'm hearing, I know it hurt you, but I'm sure he was like what the hell? Yeah, And that's another thing too, Like it didn't feel like I was in it by myself wanting it to last. He kept coming back too. It was both of us like oh please, no, no, you know, like we both

were stuck on now that how it felt. How did you break the cycle? How did you cut that in debt well? Or how did it him later tonight? No? Did I think I've been thinking it's over? If I'd been thinking it's over and then it's like here we go again. No, But honestly, I think for me having my life handing out the way it is now, I just have to be more intentional and I don't want to learn the same lessons over and over and over again. I already literally did that before my career got back

on track. I wish I could go back and be like, you should have been doing more content, You should have had a better mindset. If you would had a better mindset, you would have better actions. And who knows the things that when viral could have went viral way before. Everything.

Timing is everything, you know what I'm saying. But I just don't want to I don't want to waste any more time, and I do feel like right person, wrong time to me is just kind of cap I feel like if they are the right person, you you make it right. It all just up right. You know, I don't know because I also believe a wrong person right time to wrong person right time that happens. Yeah, it could be that. It could be that. And honestly, if you want to tuckle the block, I'll take another hit

off of it album. Okay, you know how to fin You know where I'm saying, Gig that every time you keep doubling back, you might be blocking your blessings. You may have better sex and better coming street waiting for you. I do, I definitely do feel like when you're holding onto something, your hand is tight so nothing can get in there. You know what I'm saying, Nothing good can get a where nothing's coming out, but nothing good's coming in. So I don't know. I'm just trying to go with

what feels the most authentic to me. I feel like my intuition has kind of been on point. Well, good trust, and you're at Capricrine like me. By the way, your birthday is a day after mine. Oh my god, over here, so you know, we worked really hard. We're very practical. We're very practical people. Um. Now let me ask you this. Have you ever been in a secret relationship like where y'all were sneaking around child? I feel like everyone has

done that at some point. I remember someone telling me it was really exciting, like we'd be at a party and pretend that we're not together, but then no one, We're gonna, you know, meet up later. Have you ever done the sneaky link thing? Um. I wouldn't say it was like a secret, but it was more like we're not outside with it, like you are doing your career. I'm doing my career and nobody's trying to have that be in the tabloid. So it's giving. Yeah, it's giving

you when I see you type thing. Yeah, because life has to be really different now because now people see you and they're like Hillary Banks, uncle Jones, you know, they know you for all these different things, and it's not like you can just go to Ruth Chris. Now that's very true. I mean everything that I do, I feel like do I want this on the internet, Jess and I want this on the internet. Gosh, what a

thing to have to debate. But that is that's and sometimes people like that attention too, Like people will purposefully try to do things, do things with somebody so that it can Whenever you see somebody spotted at such and such by you're like, oh, yeah, that's they went. They went there because outside they called the paparazzi. Yeah, it do be given that. Sometimes I don't know. For me, I'm just, like I said, trying to go with my intuition and sometimes I'm like maybe, but it always just

doesn't feel right. So I'm not going outside with Nladdie because I'm thinking about bel air because I do. By the way, I love the show. Watch the show being keeping up with it. You know, we watched the whole first season like um last year Binge did, and so we were excited for the new season to come back. But we're looking at your relationship with Jazzy Jess character on the show, and this is a real life thing, right.

You don't want to commit, but then you also get really jealous if the person that you're dating but won't commit to is talking to other people that other people like them. You know, some natural reaction or feeling for sure, especially for a woman. Yeah you like and normally I feel like guys think that women want to be in relationships so bad, like we're the ones, but in this case, you're the one that's like ump the brakes. I'm not really sure that's what I want to do, you know.

I mean, I think it does depend there. I have had situations where the guy was way more serious about me, and I was like, it's not even giving that like relax, you know. But I think at the time too, I think honestly, it's really about like being honest with yourself, Like you can get to know a person enough to know what type of time they're on, and then it's

up to you whether or not you want what's being served. Yeah, because sometimes you just went like a little fun, yeah, and to be spoiled and go out, but you're not trying to get something serious because you are still young and you have time. How are your parents with people that you date and what are the rules in terms for you introducing someone to your parents or your family? Um? My parents. My mom is way more strict about things. My dad's more like chill. My mom's like does he

love the Lord? She's very southern, very old school, so I'll be like yes, cries Um, that's pretty much like the main thing. But I honestly do feel like my mom and dad like they kind of as we've gotten older, you know, you start to see more of the real of a relationships because we're grown. And so I do feel like I've watched my mom kind of like evolved more and I feel like she's more modern minded in the fact that like it's not just does he love the Lord? It's like, Okay, well what does he go

to therapy? Like what is his what are his mental value? What is he value? Like where's his where's his head at? You know what I'm saying, Like things that honestly are crucial. So for a guy to go to therapy for you, I do think it's important. You don't have to go every month, but like you gotta circle the black every once in a while because I just feel like, if you go to the doctor for your body, yeah, I think you need to go to therapy for your emotions

and that mental health. You don't know what what you're holding in, so you go to therapy. Also, Okay, what made you start going to therapy? Um? Actually it was during the pandemic and one of the guys that I was like kind of talking to he was talking about therapy and I was like what, And so I was like, well, who's this person? Because if a guy's going to therapy, I want to I want to see who they're going to,

you know, because I don't mean I don't know. Stereotypically, I feel like guys don't want to be told about themselves, right, it's all like who is this person? And I've been going to therapy ever since that therapist. Oh you go to his therapist? Yeah? Wow, I still share my therapist. I know she doesn't. Well it's like it's not like we can talk about I can talk about everybody's skate, but now you feel like a bond him always like we're gonna Oh it ain't got nothing to do with that.

I'm okay. I like, I really like her, I really respect her, And so I'm like, I'm not even trying to find another one. If you broke up with you when it was like I don't want you go into my therapist anymore, Like sir, you're not saying for it right that you were even able to mess with her, because you can't. I've been to a couple of different therapists, and sometimes you meet somebody and you're just like, Okay,

this is not the person. Yeah, It's like it's like a real relationship and you got to have a rapport or just a real chemistry with that person in order to be able to give what it needs to give, to get what you need from them, and to feel comfortable to share. Yes, like if I if I feel like she don't even know my struggle for real, I'm not there's nothing to talk about because you don't get it. Well, that's why I'm like having a black therapist, because she

understands what I'm saying. I curse with her, I say other things and you know, so in word heavily, and she says it back like bad hilarious. She's like, well this niggas shouldn't do. Okay, yeah, so I but that's for me, it's not a part of the language. Like for me it is, but I mean for other people it's not. But that that works for me. And also,

I feel like with therapy, you should not feel embarrassed. Absolutely, because we've been talking about the same stuff for years and I'm like, this isn't embarrassing and she's like it's not. So I feel like it's you know, important, it's really important that you mesh with whoever you you know, sharing your life with. That's a secrey. I want all my

friends that get my therapists. My therapist is amazing, and I think she's amazing that I feel like it would be selfish of me to say no, I don't want, you know, like just me. She's done so much for me mentally and being able to deal with things that I know so many and I already tell as soon as you get your private practice, let me know, and I have people for you on deck, Like, I think

she's really good. But the same thing, I open up to her about things that and I'm really open about a lot of things, but with her, it hit different. It hits very different. And then I, you know, I love to cry, and she's like, it's okay crying. I need here to stop in the next three minutes. Yeah, She's like, but I need you to stop and let's

talk about this cry in front him. But Jasmine will be like, I don't want anybody around what I'm doing my therapy because I stopped crying, and Shita gotta go somewhere. You gotta go somewhere, all right. So your mom says dad. What about So you said your dad is more chill. Yes, so my dad is more chill. He's more Um, what's the what's the character of the guy? Like, like, would

he bond with him at all? You know, if he feels like I guess, if he feels like he can't relate to them, he would be more concerned, right, but he's chill about it. What about your brother, my brother strict. I'm like, sir, but I don't know. I think I sho. Also, I'm really close with my siblings, Like those are my

best sies, my sister and my brother. So I feel like I tell him like pretty much all the tea and he can give me like a really good perspective, like a young guy perspective, and I'm like, yikes, all right, isn't really how you think? Like y'all all right, everything okay, okay, I'm like, oh okay, I'll be like, what does this mean? He'll be like, oh, da da dada. I'm like, I wish I wouldn't have heard that. Okay, damn right, he'd given it he becoming straight. But I appreciate it. It'spreci

that you have such a close, tight knit family. Yeah, I'm really tired with my family, and I know that that's like a blessing and kind of rare, so I do I always thank God that like I love my family, Like really honestly, if I didn't have my family, I would have gave up because the calls, you know how I was you said, repeating it for years, the same thing. I would say the same thing on the phone all the time, and I just don't know how they dealt

with it. Wow sometimes wow Wow. Sorry, Now, because what about the period in your life where you felt like it wasn't gonna work, Like you said when you were like around sixteen years old, you thought everything fell into place, And I saw that you had said before you were ready to just give up, you know, and if you had given up, like what would you have done, because you've been wanting this since you were a little kid six, she'd be working at the construction company. Yeah right, that

is the line. Um, I'm not even gonna hold you. I did have a time where I was like, hmm, maybe maybe I'll just be a wife who sings, my wife that sings, you know, I don't know, or maybe I'll be Um. I knew I wanted to be like in charge of something, so maybe I'll just figure out how to work my way up and be somebody boss. So you really did consider not doing like for real

you had. It wasn't like I didn't. I didn't tactically go out and do what you think, but like they would be like my thoughts in the back of my head, like you know, I you know, I like little little voices in the back of my head. But did I go apply somewhere? Now? When did things turn around? Then? Like? What was the first uh thing that kind of put you back on the path, Like, okay, we back. I remember exactly what it was. I saw this tweet that had went viral, and it was like what happened to

Koko Jones? She was supposed to be like next up? And had it did numbers to the point where I even DM the person who tweeted it, and I was like, thank you for even saying this. What the hell? And so at the time I showed it to my mom, I showed it to like the guy I was talking to. I was like, look, there's an egg. He was like, respond to it. I was like, okay, So I responded. I was like, y'all want to know what happened. And then that tweet did numbers and I was like, what

the hell. So then I literally just went on like YouTube live and told this story, saved it as a video, and now it's like got crazy views. Somebody took a clip from the video and put it on TikTok and then that sound went viral like everyone was using the sound. It was so weird, and people was texting me. You know how when you start popping up again, like you start popping off, people are like, oh hey hey girl, hey hey hey. That's how you know you're doing something right.

When you get them numbers, you'd be like my second grade teacher, Hey, how are you? Literally I think, yeah, you did, you did see that? But yeah. So that clip went viral on TikTok and then I was like what's TikTok because what the hell is this? So then I was like looking at TikTok. I was scrolling and I saw somebody do a video and it was like if I was on this song, I was like, oh, I can do that, I can do that. So I did.

If I was on Hit Different by Scissa, it went crazy and hello like popped off Scissor Hit me like executives were hitting me. Um. And then I went to the studio with somebody who saw the cover at the time. I went to the studio and the guy was like, you need to he was just doing the musk. He was like, you need to show more that. I was like, I didn't even know he was working with all that. I was like, thanks guy, but I was like, damn, do I need to do more? Like I'm just like what,

I don't know. I want to keep this momentum. What do I need to do? And then there was one guy and he was like, I don't think she needs to do all that, and we were all like and so he became like my managers the tea yeah. Yeah. So then we kind of got to work together and then um. Shortly after that, I got my acting management and they were like, you need audition for the show. It's called bel Air. I was like, I don't want they want to like you girl, I look like Hillary,

I'm not doing that. They were like, you're auditioning for it.

I was like all right, sure, So I send in an audition and then at the time I'm like I find out that I get that I have like meeting set up with labels, and then I meet Jada who's with High Standards, which is my joint venture with Deaf Jam was def Jam High Standards, so literally at the same time, literally at the same time, like I got these things and my life literally shifted and here we are and then I have my music manager, Lydia, and it's just been go. Like we've been on go. It's

just crazy image of work. Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. I literally wish because I tell people and every time I get the opportunity, like every time, I'm like, this was not what it was giving almost two years ago, and I used to say a year and how a year ago, because like it just changed all of a sudden.

And really, I want, especially my black women, to have more mercy with themselves, Like we're so strict with ourself where our toughest critic, but literally, like just the fact that I didn't give up on them days that was enough. I was battling. This was a war zone. This is not easy to be out in LA by myself fighting these things, like going into these auditions and showing up

every day. That's a war zone. I should have had more mercy with myself and I keep trying to tell the girls that look like me, have more mercy with yourself and give yourself grace and time to make mistakes. And some days you ain't gotta like, you know, push past your emotions just to do something. Sometimes the fact that you didn't give up that day was good enough. Yeah, next day, start over. And LA could be a very lonely place. It can, especially when everybody's like, what you're doing?

What do you do? Oh? It was, and it would get humbling. People are like, how do you say so humble? I'm like, I have seen the humblest I live in hometown, still have an apartment there. Okay, I love it there. Oh, whe marble floors. Because they'd be like, deci act. I was like, oh god, please, this is so unbearable. Like I'd be like at a party, like with a jello shot. They'd be like, oh, you're a girlfriend, Oh are you?

And I'd be like another jello shot. Yeah. He laterly, I was like, I'm just gonna turn up because that's all I could do at the time. I'm here and this is my circumstances, and best believe I have another jello shot and re March Badness plays my future. I'm gonna do circlo. I was just trying to live my life. But I was everything financially for you at that time. Um, at the time, I had a lot of savings and

stuff because I will my mom my mom. My mom didn't play and like when I would invest in stuff, when she would invest it would all be like the safest stocks. So I did have a lot of savings and everything like that. I never had like a real job. When looking back, I'm like, that's kind of crazy. But I did get to a point where I was almost at that point, like I remember, Lord be offense. My mom called me and she was like, hey, Court. She

was like, not Coco, okay. She was like, um, not to stress you out or anything, like Everything's gonna be fine. She was like, but you're getting to a point where you're getting low on the funds because I'm not making no income and I'm just spinning it's la yeah hello, yeah, She's like, girl, I did some crunching at the numbers, right, Okay, the way these things going, you're going. I would never let my parents know what I have in the bank, too,

but that's great. My mom was my business manager. See But that's amazing because a lot of people don't have like their family that can actually have that type of knowledge, especially when it comes to finances where they can be like, Okay, well invest in this. Okay, now miss is getting low. That's so true and I'm so blessed because when my

dad played professional football, he played for ten years. My mom had seen, like so many athletes lose money, and so she just studied it, like she really, Like she's from a all entrepreneurial background, like her side, they just they just do it, and so um, she just studied it and she became really educated. She was like, nobody's

gonna take no money from my kid. So she always had been looking over it and making sure that like I was good, you know so, but when it got a little ugly, she was like, he's getting us figure this out. Okay, humble, And I know what I was gonna do. I was gonna ride it till the wheels fell off. That's what I knew I was gonna do. But I didn't know what that was gonna look like. I was like, I want my wheels. I had to be like waitressing, like anything else I can get you.

I don't know what it was gonna give. I don't know what it's gonna give. Let me ask you. I need you to be honest. Have you ever gone on a date just because you were hungry and didn't want to have to pay with l O l um. Not because I was hungry and didn't want to have to pay it up. Definitely, when I'm like, I want to go to this really nice restaurant and he asked me, I might as well tell him that's hilarious, I will

say I would. I would go on a date knowing I wasn't really messing with the guy, but like I'm trying to drink up and either like I'm trying to live lavish. So the answers, yes, yeah, not because I'm own star. No, it wasn't life all right, let's dine in camera Martini. It would give yeah, exactly. But also I did feel like I wasn't the type to like. If I knew I wasn't really feeling a guy, I'm still gonna be like, m Am, I sure like I

would want to see one more. I would give a guy like two chances, right, and then I'd be like, all right, so what okay? So I always see all these and we would talk about this like gurus on social media, the dead ones. Yeah, and so I want to ask you this because I saw a one that was about like, how can you tell a guy that is really into you? Right? And here are the signs? Now I want to talk about for us, right, how can you tell that you're for a guy? How can

they tell that you're really into them? What are some of the signs that you would give that you would say this is how you know I'm into you? Oh okay, well somebody's gonna be hurt once they was sorry, sir. Okay. Um, when I'm really into you, you're gonna get a very feminine girl, like I'm gonna be like hi, Like you know, you just bring out the girly in me. When I really like you, I probably I'm really like love. My

love language it's physical touch. So I want to be like touching you and I want you to be touching me like I just love it. I'm gonna like yeah, yeah, literally literally it wasn't even hilarious. You're like, um, I, when I like you, I'll call you first, Like sometimes it's not gonna give like I'm always picking up the phone to a call, but like sometimes I'll be like, oh, like good morning, I'll say it first, or like, um, how was your day, Like I'll start the combo everyh.

I feel like that, And I mean just all around, I'm more like warm and receptive when I when I like a person, you know, and like I'm not necessarily gonna try to drive the boat, but I'm gonna you're gonna know that this belt is ready together. I'm the co captain. He like, did you know you ain't? Thought you did? Yeah, But it just depends. I mean, I really like when I can like a guy back because respectfully, it's rare. Yeah, it's rare. It's right somebody that you

have because they can look so good on paper. And that's another thing like that I've been so shocked about. Like I'll see somebody from Afar and I'll be like, oh, this is gonna hit Like what's wrong with you? Literally, like where's the normal of you where it's a human? Do you like really cute guys or like medium or like unattractive? Here she go? Do you have a type? I don't have a type. Me and my friends do say we like medium, ugly and if you're taking me

out that's jazzin' you're I don't like media. I feel like I feel like, if you're not cute, you're weird. You're weird. You're weird. She said the same thing. It's just like we can't both be the baby like I don't like that. Like like if you're giving contrace no, no, no no, no, I'm sorry. But it doesn't mean that they're ugly, because it's just a term. It just means like, no, they're hurting right now in the corner. It's really big thing.

It's really just a thing that girls say. But I really like a guy that just like has like a masculine he gives masculine you know what I'm saying, like, take care of the handle it it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I will say I have dated guys that off the first impression, I would be like nah no, But because I was kicking it with them and like listening to how they talk and like their mindset, their confidence,

I'm like, Okay, that always happens. The guy they tell like I would never like him, would and then like him. It's like this thing in my mind, it's like the club test, Like if they come up to me at the club I'd be like, sir, please, I'm with my girls. Or I'd be like, yeah, well your section that you know what I know whether you go like that's the like lowest tier, just straight attraction your section. But I've met guys that are where your section at type with

terrible personality. Yeah, So now I'm like, what what do I like? What do I like? Because I can look at a guy and be like, m he doesn't give comedy. He doesn't seem like we'd laugh at the same things. He doesn't seem like I would call him if I had a bad day and be like, You'll never believe what happened to me. I want to I wanted to give that like, oh my gosh, what's so mean to me at at the store? What was mean to you right here? Literally? I wanted to give best friend because

that's how I am with my best friends. I'm like, girl, this girl was looking at me crazy the sophrow. I was like, what I should be a girl? Who know what I'm saying? Like I hated to give it already. Yeah, okay, what is it like for you when you go back home? When I go back home, it's hilariously normal, like nice, Literally I can go to like, first of all, nobody dresses up. It's so funny, Like I'll be like, am

I Hollywood? Like am I the Drama? Because I'll go like out with my cousins and stuff, and I'll be like, this is what is this we're wearing? We're serving? We're serving twenty one on them. I'll be like, you're not gonna put a heel on or something? They're like, girl, why, Like I don't even think the girls own heels for real?

Like well, I'm talking Lebanon, like we really, like the grocery store is like thirty minutes away, like it was not giving none of that, you know, like fresh Direct and nothing on what order groceries and now I don't even know what it was asking just what a fresh Direct we're talking about? Like Instacart, Yeah, I only know Instact because of LA but no, I mean I love hello Wait, hold on, hold on? What did you say

about internet? Instac account to much? Because I have the point one point five miles every dollar if you're platinum or above. See I'm gonna tell my mama's right now to finances left. Yeah, my lift is connected for sure. I care for lift. I used it to get here today. Really, I like lift. I used to put me onto that. Yeah, I will say sometimes when some you know what, I don't know who's going to but I check both services back lift, and I see which one's cheaper. All the time.

I always checked both, and then I'm like, okay this one. And also feels feel like it depends on what city you're in, right, yeah, And it's a different times. And I don't mind waiting extra five minutes to save a dollar, not a dollar. But then you want to complain because I didn't want to put you in first class. I want you to come back to coach with me. You know it was we saved like you do you remember

the first time you flu first class? Oh no, I don't remember, because you know, being on Disney Channel, he was earlier another orange justice. I was literally I was like another cookie, you know, I do remember literally, you know when they used to give the little warm nuts, yes in the little bow. Hello, they don't have no more. They don't cookies either, they don't, they don't. They do be hard. Um. I do not remember the first time. I do remember feeling like singing that little Freggy song.

I was like first class you know, like hell no, But I don't remember the first time. Honestly, it was probably around the time when I filmed Let It Shine, like the TV movie that I did that put me on that whole time. I felt like I was living in like a fir princess, Like I would wear these amazing costumes and I'd be on set and just having fun. It wasn't work like I'd be sad when it was

time to go. That's ideal that'd like to be like, yeah, I know who taught you about like when it came, and I know you're very close with your mom, But when it comes to relationships and sex, did she had to talk with you ello? Ill No, she never Okay, they're gonna be watching this uncomfortable as hell, dogging off. She's like I stopped walking it manifty one, And she could telling me that. She's like I stopped watching when you kiss Jazz. I'm like, okay, mom, thank you, thank

you mom. Um. No, she didn't. I don't. Honestly, I don't think that her side really taught her that, Like they don't really, they weren't really open like that, right, Like, honestly, neither of my family's sides but you know how your parents are doing better than their parents. Their parents do, so I think they did the best that they could. But it wasn't giving open discussion. So where did you learn about that? Like where did you learn how to have sex? Where did you learn how to kiss? Like

all of those things? Was it? Did you know what you were doing the first time you had sex? Were you like, okay, that's hilarious. No? I mean does anyone? No? No, I mean remember when the first time you had sex? You know we're doing oh yeah? But do you know like for guys, they learn from their friends or they

watch like foreign and stuff like that. And then I remember like in health class and they how to put on a condom, you know, they show you how to do that in see I was going to misstop, was like, okay, today we're gonna do they want you to wait until you were married since your mom's religious? Um? I think, of course I think that they would want that. I mean, even me as a parent, I feel like I'd be like,

it's ideal, just be nice. Yeah, um, But I don't think that that's like, you know, practical, practical, I would say, just because everyone grows up way too fast now with social media, there's so much there's so much information, and some of it's like just that you ain't even need to know that, you know what I'm saying. It's like I get nervous when I see like my little cousins with their phones, and I'm like, what do you watching at this? Like what are we doing here? You know

what I'm saying. So yeah, And I think for you, coming from a household where your parents who were married growing up, you think about marriage because even just now you were like if I wasn't doing this, I was like, all right, I'll just be a wife. Yeah, I say, I definitely. When I was younger, it was like I want to get married at eighteen? Did I did? Used to think not eighteen, but I was like by the time I'm twenty two, I'm gonna be married. I'm gonna

have a house with my husband. I yeah. But that's also like I hadn't really experienced anything. I've never even had a boyfriend at that time. I just thought like, Okay, that'll be like that's how it goes, you know, that's how it works. But do you still do you want to get married? I do want to get married. Yeah, do you have an ideal age in mind, Um, it never works out that mage it doesn't. But I know,

I mean, I hear. I've had an ideal age for literally seventeen things in my life and it's never been that. So I'm like chest stop. I would say, well, I'd like to have a kid around like thirty, so I feel like that's when I would be more marriage mindset. But I also am very career driven right now. And I also look like the women and their relationships in my life, and I kind of like, hmmm, maybe I'll just be Oprah and and I'll do a partner. Yeah,

I don't know. I really have to see how the sam Yeah, I really just marriage is just it's hard work, you know, Like and I love what I see on like Instagram and socials, but the women in my life or who I really you know, learn from what it's really like. And it's just it's very hard. And I only would want to make that commitment if like God himself woke me up and said this one's the way, you know, Otherwise I just I'm not sure I would

want to do that with somebody so permanent. I feel like so many people feel that way now I know they've been having these conversations like, well, maybe you share just like your driver's license that you renew, you know, every few years, maybe you should do the same thing with marriage, where like you reassessed everything. I like that idea, like Chlessie and Jackie Douglas. No, I'm not talking about that, but they renew their vibe, but they don't like do

like a whole like relationship like reassessment. I'm talking about like how you have to take like when you have a license, you're like a let's go back in or it expires, you know what I'm saying. Right, that could be a good a good situation. But then I also feel like sometimes people don't look at marriage as permanent and you're supposed to yeah you know, well maybe you're not supposed to. I mean you're ideally Yeah that's what listen,

It's it's whatever you define your marriage to be. I think, yeah, it's a constraint that we didn't. Yeah, so it's whatever we want it because the way that it is defined, it is supposed to be like till death, do its part in sickness and in health. You know, marriage was meant to be like forever. But it's not realistic for a lot of people, and clearly, clearly it's in the world we live in now. Listen, people are already being

the back of horses with prenumps and everything else. Yeah, but people also go, you can't go into it with the mindset of I could just get out of this at any time, right, And then why do people do though? Do they go into it like? Yeah? But so many people now like, you don't have to get married, you could just be together, you know, And I'm with that. But anyway, Coco Jones, I do want to thank you so much. We had such a good time with you,

you know. I know we've been wanting to get you on here for a while and I've been loving to see like all of the excitement that you have because it's honest, you know, some people be trying to act cool when they get all these different achievements that you just like, Yeah, and I should celebrate that. You deserve it. Thank you, Thank you guys so much. I have so much fun with yours and we energy is mad humble.

Thank you, and we gonna keep on having you back. Yeah, but come o, lord, what team are gonna speling last time? Because I'm like, I spell some tea on here. I'm like, mom, don't watch this next time because a little point you get a little horrified. I'm like, okay, let's back it up. Literally'll oh okay. It's like it's like, you know, you gotta loup it up first. Give it some time about that, you guys. Make sure the deluxe version is available so that next for you. And you got baby Face the

song you on baby Faces album. We had him up here when you put that out. Him and Arian Lennox came together. But I know that had to be. Just working with baby Face is like iconic. Absolutely. I mean to even be with all the R and B girls on that project, I was like, I think I'm doing all right, so happy, so honestly like congratulations and everything well deserve Coco Jones and so much fun. Ye, thank y'all.

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