Episode 271: Free Ballin’ (feat. dvsn)

I asked so many questions. Um. First of all, September five, right when that album came out, my favorite song for a long time was um in Too Deep. I always talked about that song. She will play it over and over. I just think that's a great song. But I think that um that song might make people not pull out. And I feel like if you listen to that while you're having sex, it kind of like, you know, the guy kind of wants to leave it in or whatever. So my question it is, where did the inspiration come

into Deep? I mean, that's pretty self explanatory. You kind of just said it right there, but a certain experience and you were like, I gotta write this down. I've had multiple experiences where I've damn it, I wanted to tell myself, Hey, you know I don't want to I don't want to stop this right now and have to pull out. I mean that's like, that's what I mean. It's the metaphor also on top of that, right, it's not just the sex element to it. You know it's

supposed to be. You know, when you're when you just feel that deeply involved with somebody, you feel like you've gone past the line that you're just like, you know what, let's let's just go all the way. There's no point in turning back. Now. Do you worry after like do you all said at the edge of the bad after like ship? Or do you just get a plan? Me? No, See the thing about me personally, my my conscience always wins.

So if it kicks in and tells me to do some ship, that's like, yo, you gotta you gotta back out. Like I probably did pull up to be honest, but I didn't want to. But you know that in eight Fatty was very talkative. Before this talking I think my h my reflection comes like those mirror moments, so after it's happened and you look at yourself in the mirror, you have a moment of like, what did I just do? I think I'm more of that guy. Do you like

the girl more if you come in here? Because I feel like some girls or women were think in their minds like, well, he came at me, so obviously he wants to be with mirror. He wants to have my he wants to have his baby. Do you feel like that for me? Hell yeah, I'm definitely not. I'm not doing that if you're not somebody to me, random, no random in my life can say that that happened. I only practice very safe sex, so I'm always protected and I'm I'm one of those guys that I'm not pulling out.

But you don't have to know if you have a condom on that's my did I think he was about to say, you still pull out with the condom, morny, because that's why that safe that even with the condom morn they still pulling out. Have you ever lost the condom inside of someone and didn't tell them? How about that? You gotta you gotta, you gotta fish that out, you gotta.

But I'm not gonna lie that happened to me when my ex, Like everybody no, he didn't tell me, and I went in the shower and I was like, what the funk? It scared me. I'm not gonna lie and scared you didn't tell me, and he started laughing. I don't know. I wasn't paying attention. I was drunk. And then when I was in the shower, I just felt something and I was like, oh my god, did it come out of your butt or your vagina? No, it came out my vagina, and I just I was scared, questions,

no such thing. But I was scared. I was nervous because I didn't know what was I was like, what the funk is it? Like? I didn't know. And then I just went in on him and he was like, I'm sorry. I didn't want to say anything. It was like when we first started dating, and I'm like, this thing is a fucking weirdo. That's too much. Definitely came inside you, but I mean in a condom now, stuff, the god was inside. It was all in there together. Yeah. What about sex in the girls period? I haven't heard

you guys do any songs about that yet yet? What would it be called? Crime scene? Red doun sexy? Still? So I think I like that for red Wine, right, I like that all right, Now, I do feel like we have this connection because you have a song called Angela also on that of course. Yeah, like this thing Angela. Actually it's not really m no, no no, Angela is again. I mean a lot of people that's actually I'm glad you asked that, because that's a that's a song that

we get a lot of questions about. I've been seeing a million times like who is Angela? Who is Angela? Who is Angela? And you know it's it's it's again a metaphor, it's a it's a kind of a double sided record where when I was writing it and the verses to that record and stuff, it was um inspired by Toronto. Toronto was Angela, you know, the pretty girl that nobody had noticed for a while that all of a sudden now is getting all this attention. I'm like, I don't want you to lose yourself when you get

out there, and you know what I'm seeing this. You know, if you listen to it again, there's a lot of like locational lyrics in it that will probably make it make sense now. But it's also just like, you know, just this girl's obviously that relates to that kind of life and that story too, so kind of play both sides. That's clever. I didn't even realize that the original idea of the song came from a song called Angels, which is by Elliott Smith, which is about like give his

view of Los Angeles. So then we were trying to figure out, how can we make that personal to us. Now I gotta ask, thank yeah, listen, I like it. I'm not mad at it. Now. You also have your second album was called The Morning After, and know the Morning After with the name of my morning show. I'm serious. So that's why I'm saying we have a lot of synergy here because it was The Morning After with Angela yee.

So that's that's your fault. That's we've been connected for this long AND's the first time we're doing we're talking. I don't be doing interviews like that for you, for you, for you were exactly, well, can she be a part of the group since y'all have so much, um synergy, we can't call it multiply? That's it? No, okay, that no division? Always the two of you. Because I remember when y'all first came out, people weren't sure, like how many people are in the group. Who was in the group?

You guys are super low key? So was this always and Daniel as division or was there a different plan? Really, we're gonna have you as well this damn morning show. They wrote the song and you didn't even call them back, So I guess we'll do it on our own and the preconnection next now. But she's but she's right, y'all are super low key. It's like, you don't really see a lot of you guys as far as on the

blogs and stuff like that. Is there something that you choose or do you think it's like the kind of women y'all deal with, Like, what what do you think that's about? I mean, I think that's a good thing, the women that we deal with, having got us on these blogs, that's kind of like that's a positive, right, that's definitely a positive. I don't think a lot. I think a lot of people there there's still you know, peeling back the layers and discovering what division is, who

division is. You know, I just even started, we just even started showing our our faces on pictures and music videos and things like that. So it's just we're taking our time with everybody. Um, as far as our personal lives, yeah, we're lucky that none of that's hit any gossip sites and stuff like that. But you see, it's like more for Daniel, because Daniel, have you ever dated anybody that you've worked with? Dated anybody that I've worked with? What

do you mean like a artist? Another artist? Amused? I mean we've only had records with other artists on this album on process of elimination? Yes, so yes? Or no, Daniel, No, no, I'm trying to think like whatever, but no, no, because it's just been when we had snow really end up armed all right song. We haven't done any features really with Raised yesterday. Jesse's a home girl though I definitely knew her before. Then tell me, may how you gonna

forget everybody? We only did a record with Drake, so who could it possibly be? Like? Let me think he just named like ten girls and he did a song with That's another reason, another connection we have. Do you have this on court side with Jesse Rays? And I actually did um leave somebody on the date to go

sit courtside? She should try f one everybody. I mean, listen, the question that is who lined up the court side Was it a guy that was on the court or was it a guy just trying to wind It was a friend of mine actually, and he really is just my friend on the court. Or was he a guy that just had access to tickets? Um, it was actually my ex. Yeah, it's actually her ex boyfriend I went to go to the court. Friends doesn't answer anything that I just was he on the court or did he

buy you the tickets? You see, women, he got tickets from his friend and he was sitting on the court of course side he was there with somebody she was dating and getting come sit with me, sit with her boyfriends. Oh, you were at the game with another game and himself in his feet in all hairness. We were in a box that we had boxings. There was other people for him to chat with. But you was this day. But I didn't even buy yourself. He had people to talk

to and they got a friend. And you know what, sometimes I think that friendship is more important than somebody you're dating, who you know you're not gonna end up with anyway. I think so you knew that before going to the game. She knew she was gonna leave his ass on the way to the game. That we didn't have killing us in the toxic well, this was not into that. Yeah, it's you who do you think knows you guys better? Right as a man, do you think that your boys know you better? Or you think your

girl knews you better? Um, if the relationship is real, it really really real with the with the woman. I think that in my in my history, it's it's been the woman because you'll show her sides that don't exist to your boys. If you're show her side that your boys don't don't see, your boys may know certain aspects of you better. But I think if us to say all around and think that you know the woman would probably see the most raw, most vulnerable, most uh, most towns,

you know that side. I think you actually have something to think about. If your boys know you better than the person you've been sleeping regularly, they know you in it. But I feel like sometimes women don't know their man that well because guys sometimes act different when their girls not around, absolutely and they don't that the side to us that I think that usually our dogs will we'll see and we'll have more access to like this is what single wild you know Daniel would have been like,

or this is what you know he thinks about. I don't know so, but who's the true person? But I think that I think that the woman if you and your because I mean, to me, my girl should be my best friend. So I think once you get to that level with the girl, then you're gonna she's gonna end up seeing a lot more size to you than your boy as well. I don't say, can we say the same thing for women? Two women have completely different sizes with their girls than they do with you know,

they're significant other, you know, same Now. I think I think some women would even leave most of their friends period, Like they'll stop working with their friends when they get a man. Some women that I know, it's just like I mean, if you want to call that being their true feelings, I don't know. I just feel like a woman could be the same in both ways. But I feel like they'll definitely will leave their friends behind when a man come along. Quicker than I see a man

doing that, I don't do that. That's yeah, that's true. A lot of girls will end up that will end up consuming all their time and all their energy will just be there. They don't may they're not full on cutoffs, but you know what, you know what, I think women

end up cutting off a lot of girls. To be honest, I think at the end of the relationship with the guy and the guy is if their relationship ends up growing and the girl ends up looking around at the friends and being like they're just not on the same shifting them on. That happens even without a woman being a relationship that's like evolving and growing and you know that whole thing. Sometimes you cross paths with people, but eventually those paths split and you just grow out of

each other. And that's perfectly okay, for sure. For sure. Now let's talk about the new album a little bit. Of course, I'm using her feelings. I love the new album, so congrats on that. It's amazing because y'all don't be doing all these, like, you know, guest appearances. So I was a little concerned when I see the track listing, I was like, what's happening here? But I did enjoy the album, So why um that difference? Were you guys? Third album in I think a lot of its timing.

I think this is the first album that we could actually stop. So we made the first album that came out, we were on tour within the first like two months we're on tour. We did like four or five tours, dropped the second album in between touring, and then we were just still on the road. So this is the first time that we weren't on the road and kind of had the chance to lock in and say, what

do we want to do? Who would we involve if we could, And we just reached out to a lot of people that we've already had great relationships with and just finally put some stuff together. And we like, we still have songs from people that we haven't released, you know.

So I know it looks like, oh, well, this is the album you guys decided to put all these features on, but it was more just about what songs fit the album and fit the vibe, and the things that didn't we're holding until it's the right time to release those. I like the cover being vibe y'all got with the popcorn and the booge you Like. I thought those was real dope because it was something different for y'all, but it was still like in pocket, of which your vibe

already is. So I like the switch up a little bit on you guys, Like, I thought that was a dope out there, and I like to keep it going to that. Yes, that's guys, thank you, But I was asking y'all earlier. Y'all in relationships, we're both on the wedding. That's a good non answer it you know, that's like, we ain't married, bitch, But do you want to get married? Absolutely? Me and I definitely do. M kids. Yeah, I have

a daughter already, so I'm open to children. You got to be in I have a daughter some But what kind of women do you like? How about like style wise, dressed down there, dressed up? I think both. I think you have different modes, And that's one of the best things about women is the fact that you guys can fit so many different like vibes. Like men are just men. Men are boring, kind of the same thing all the time, Like the guy no, but like and I will wear the same thing to dinner than to a ball game

than to his parents. Like women have different modes and different styles. Guys are kind of just like the same thing all around. Like a guy is gonna wear his tech flease like anytime you can, I will. I kind of that. I like the woman that's the uniform around here. Norman and West like like, I like when you can do the when you can do this, the sweats, no makeup,

just chilling in whatever. And I also like when I still know you got like just I just want to know you got style, Like when you want to do that, you can do that. That's not until you You You might not be obsessed about it, but you know when you do what you do your thing. Um certain kinds, there's some kinds that I'm just like, this is more I know the idea that you guys are thinking and the stuff that you guys we all like and what is that like? As far as er I mean, don't get twisted.

I'm sure there's guys that do appreciate different things, but I'm saying for me, like, I mean, I like the the what do they like ship? Okay? Bit like what what's the is that a guard belt? When it has like the stick? Uh? Like I don't I don't need the guard belt practical? This is not I'm gonna tell you how you make it practically. Instead of putting the panties with g string on first and then putting the garter on on after you put everything else on, and

then you put the panty on top. So the panty comes off and then the garden still on, the garden is still on with this the access, yes, because you take the panties off and everything else is still there. I mean, I mean that might be there, might be interested. In my experience, I feel like LINGREI is always very short lived because if it goes on too close, like too close to when you actually want to take it off.

So it's such a like yeah, and you know the things about women want to women wanted to be appreciated, like yo, I want to like you know, I try my best, Okay, I will extend the poor play an

extra five minutes five minutes. What about a repeated lingerie set like she like she came back with it, like yeah, I mean it's not too nice, and don't go too nights in a row, like she came with the same ship and here we are, Okay what I'm saying, If it's like, if it's like we did it on Valentine's Day and then and like, you know, the same ship. We had this out for five minutes yesterday, I put it right back on. We don't we don't want much, so we're not We're not going to complain about it.

I mean, it's gonna be the same thing as if you have a brown panties. You're not happing to wear that same bron panties later on. It's like it's it's cool, We're not gonna complain about it. But do you guys have like sexy pajamas for your sexy time? Honestly, I don't even know what that would be for, Like what about freeballing? Like you might just like like no, justuss today, but that under like the track suite, there's trapping out here.

You do it on purpose, like you know, you know, it's like the ladies showing us don't forget your boys in the chat now. No, but like you know, if you're gonna sit down and if you're gonna if you know that this might lead to something to that kind of moment sooner than later, and you're just haping to come out in the in the sweats in the sweats pants. Yeah, you can bother to put on the box because you

know she's gonna pull it down soon. Anyway. It's like just like yeah, no, I would never think that if you was with your dude then you just push it that you wouldn't be like where is this underwear? Why why would that be a thought in your mind? Yeah? What, I know it's gonna appreciated a couple of times. I'm not used to guys not wearing panties isn't nothing you free ball it to I really don't even like clothes to me, Wow, he doesn't have anything on. But like,

I'm like, comfort this key at all time. So whatever is the most natural comfortable, especially if I'm home, Like no draws, no draws? Are you wearing draws right now? Because you're the question to be honest, I'm on track mans, I have no draws on right now? Then you then you with color panties you got on? We want to know what I am. I am wearing boxes. I normally wearing boxes, boxing boxing. You know what I do? Realize that I do like I like, somebody got me a

parent this years ago. Um, like the silk ones, like the ones that actually feel ship you like that good stuff. That's a nice gift. I can see you appreciated that. Yeah, I did that with a wife beater. That's my lingerie. There you go that. I was like, baby boy, what's what's a good way to apologize? Because I was listening to one of our songs, and it made me think about that. So how would you apologize to a woman if you're wrong what I did? Different things call for

different things. Let's give scenarios, guys, I can't think of up, did you cheated? Give me a scenario, really, and I'll tell you what cheated? You cheated? Scandal. Sometimes you just gotta go head on and just address it and just bring a bit to the bedroom. No, no, no, like if you got caught red handed and you actually still care about doing something. Sometimes you just got to be like I apologize, Like here we are now, Like, how do we you apologizing with a gift? Yeah? What is

that it? Well, if you're in the moment, you can't really like pull out a gift, then you can think about how you're gonna overall apologies, but I find gifts work, but they've also not to say, like been thrown back in your face. But sometimes gifts apologies are taking like oh you think you can buy me out, like out of my anger or like not appreciate my feelings just because you got me something. So I feel like there was something thoughtful. It doesn't have to be an expensive gift.

It could be just something meaningful. You just gotta know your woman, because to her, meaningful might be you take a night out, you know, like you take a night out stand. I feel like this is a weak apology, Daniel, What kind of apology are you coming with? Cheating? Yeah, you know, I actually had a situation, which is why I'm late. I actually had a situation where you know, it's the one time I cheated. To be honest, because after that kind of like learned like, I'm not playing

that game, but um, I was cheating. I caught caught in the worst way till they both like pulled up to my crib at the same time without That's how they found out about each other. I came outside to like blood and we've all all in the no each other right right, And I came out. One of them had that idea when I came out, like what am I doing? Um? Anyhow, that that apology took a while.

That was a lot of emotional mending. The thing about gifts is just like it's like it's like a band aid, like it might make you feel better for a second, but it didn't actually fix the real problem. So getting to the problem, get into the root of the problem getting to the getting the trust back. That was the big thing. You know, you got both of them back. Yeah, you know. The funny thing is the funny thing is after they fought, they both messaged me like on some

like all right, well are you gonna come home? Like I're gonna come over? Oh my god, I to choose on shoes shows. And we stayed together for the next

couple of years, and yeah, it was. There was a big long period of like me purposely leaving my phone unlocked on tables and just walking away like just you know, like just knowing what it took for her to just get that comfort level back, for her to be like understand what happened and why that happened, and then let me show you all the ways that I'm going to make sure that you know it's not gonna happen again.

Because and that's the only time you ever cheated. That's the only time I ever actually cheated in a full on like relationship. I'm not gonna say, like you've been talking to you scorpio, right, yeah, yeah, oh no, that's that's as men have an insatiable sexual appetite. That's true. That, but we're not cheated we're loyal. People are loyal, we're protective, but yes, we do have an insatiable sexual what's your side so we can analyze you cancer. Cancers are sensitive

and cheat. Now he just told you he was buying battles in Vegas. I think oppositive, cheap. I'm like, good with my money, but I'm like, that's good for you because in my experience, answer man got all the money and they don't want to share it. They just I've never heard that before. I'm literally like, and they're also very very sensitive and they want to be like baby like. They want you to like coddle them. I kind of feel like I'm the opposite. I'm not sensitive enough. You

have like what's your moon? I'm gonad to look you up. I'm July first. I don't know. I don't know. I broke someone's trust once, and that's there's secrets and like it wasn't it wasn't a cheating thing, but there was like a lie situation. And what happened with that is the apology turn. It was a trip actually that turned into like that's a nice, that's a nice purposely just the two of us and like just locked in as

the two of us like away from all. Let's just you know, connect on that level and just be number one, my book, the number one thing that you can do to reconcile some bullshit is to acknowledge what you've done. Sometimes that's all it takes. You acknowledge I was wrong. I did this. I did not mean to hurt you. I'm sorry you to never have again. That goes a very long way, super long, very long way, and and

most of them don't even know, like just accepted. Stop trying to deny you, Stop trying to say it wasn't me. Stop trying to lie your way through it. And that's all we want to hear is I'm sorry I did it. I don't only I don't know. That's it. When I had my situation, I just told you as a book, I ended up before that, after all them fighting and stuff like that, I ended up sitting down in a

car with both of them as they fact checked. So that time when you said this where you really, oh my god, can't you how I would admitted detail of every last thing, And that is crazy. That was but it had to be done. You have to be done. But that was because you wanted one of them back though you did that for that girl. I did that, and you know what, in that second, I didn't really know who that was gonna be who. What it was

was my It was my girl and my ex. Okay, so your girl has to take precedence of your ex at that point. That's what happened, and he stayed with your girl. So what about when they bring up stuff that's old, like say she was to bring up the X again and like, remember what and you were sucking ambition? How do y'all get through that or past that? You got a stomach that that's jobs, that's job still chassis. If you want to fix it, you just gotta you

gotta hold that now. Mind you, If it's two years later, that should slow up a lot. But if it doesn't. Yeah, sometimes it depends on the person too, because like some girls will say it and not like expect a response. Some girls say it and expect like the full dialogue where you might just be like, you know, I'm not getting into that right now, and she's like, no, we're gonna have this conversation now as though it just happened,

you know. And I've been in those positions to where somebody says something, and just my personality is more just like I'm children right now. I'm not gonna go back and forth with you. And they're like, no, no, no no, we're gonna talk about this today. That can just be like watching TV and something happened on TV and that like reminded her. Yeah, And I'm like, we were just fine. I'm not I don't want to get into that, and she's like, well, you don't have a choice. We're doing

this now. Here's the real question. When you cheated, did you use condoms with both of them? Because I know you don't like anything between you. I always use condoms, so I'm I'm an avid. Don't always you have a daughter, Well that's why I always. Yeah, when I did that, I was that man saved sex. I've always saved sex. What your girlfriend you were using and you use the condom on your ex. No, I would use condoms mainly with both of them. With the girlfriend at the time.

The only thing that we the only times that we didn't was she she had her calendar down. So it's just like these three days right here, don't do it. No, No, you know it's green light. Okay, that's what it was. But mind you, it wasn't. It wasn't going on for long, and to be honest, when it happened, we were technically on a break, but it didn't matter to her. That's it was cheating. So I just accepted as all right, I cheated. Did you ever fall in love during sex,

like after you had sex with the person you knew? Like, all right, I'm in love with this person now for a moment. That is not love, That is nor right, that's less as soon as you or orgasm that you weren't in love anymore. I don't. I've never I've never had that. But I mean the sexual chemistry does go a long way, and wanting to go further than somebody. That's when guys are the most vulnerable. When you guys are like right after you come and look, dick shovels up. Yeah,

before we come. Yeah, I feel like after we come, we snap back into and really, Yeah, that's the blood rushes back to your head. The boys were tight, but now they're loosing hanging. Yeah, So it's a scientistic thing. Actually, the whatever makes us hard and hard, that's the blood that comes rushing from our brain. So we're technically at our stupids. So is that's the best time to ask for something or ask for somebody to do something RD. But you don't go through with it when it's not

hard anymore, would you? So when you're not hard anymore, are you gonna stick to what you said yes to when you were hard? Yeah, you got your words? How about your en You're gonna you're gonna keep it reild

and still do it. If I said I'm gonna do it, I'll do it, Okay, you know for other ladies out there, get that bag he promised you said yeah, But for real though, Like if I say I'm gonna do it, if I said I'm gonna help you whatever it is, if you asked me for somebody and I actually said yes, those things I have not wanted to do at all. But because I already said to the person, look, i'll do it, I'll do it, Like like what give us

an example. I've helped people out in situations before where I was probably too generous and being like, yo, you need anything, just hit me, because when they do hit you, you don't mean that ship when you say that, trust that line mortgages. That's the thing though, because I said I would I do so when they came asking for the rent, you have to be like hopefully he says that to us. At the end of this episode, we gottahad him up on Instagram like maybe you said if

we need anything, I don't say that anymore. A lot of lessons. You're very smart. I've learned a lot of lessons, especially being in this industry, but being like the low key person. That's kind of like watching stuff. Do you see a lot a lot of stuff going on? Have you ever hooked up with a girl who was backstage looking for somebody else? And then yeah, that's I did not know that. Would you away, like would you keep her away from the thing? You know? Because you know, like,

what's she on? No? No, no, she well, she wasn't looking for somebody, like in a thinking sense. She was just like supposed to be meeting with somebody and then we went into each other, okay, looking for her home girl. She was really looking for Drake right now. ASO like that you guys did that song friends, and that's a remaker of the s O s Ben just be good to me. When I first was listening to it, I

was like, damn, hold on a second. It sounds kind of God, So you were familiar with sus being and all of that already because I know that's an old school throwback. So we're super super super music had So that's that's one of those things where it's like we we know music that were like before our parents time, just because we're that's that that was kind of like our bond in the original thing was just how much of like music as we were and you know, how

much music we knew and stuff like that. But actually that specific song came from an idea that that drink hand it was drinking and party and they had this idea of them flipping that thing and then it just kind of ended up, you know, moving around the camp and we're like, yo, we'll take this, don't do it. I like it. You did a good job with that, thank you and taking something and making your own. Are you're gonna go see s I think he doing UM residency?

Yeah yeah, I definitely get up there. That's crazy. How long is the show? Is it like a it's a full concert, right, just yeah, a full yeah, a full concert. That's a nice date when people come to division concerts, right, Is it like a date night thing? Mostly? Or is it a lot of women both both? Definitely a man put me onto y'all for like a you're trying to do some things, maybe use us as they're like the representatives.

Sometimes they don't use condoms. Why should I like we just said this so, you know, or putting girls up on the music to kind of like show that side of them. But our concerts, yeah, it's a lot of a lot of girls obviously, and then you know, we do have a good amount of couples. I feel like by the time our careers, you know, winding down, we're gonna be like up there in stats as far as

like most proposals. Mhm, because right now I feel like we've had like three four three or four at least for people just like straight out proposing in the middle of the concerts. I love that. I think that's really dope. Is it makes us feel nice? Like, yo, you know we're part of somebody's like life. Anybody ever said no, I don't know, you got to say yes, terrible? You don't probably feel bad that the girl said no. Right, there's a lot of davies that's made to your music too,

I'm sure. So basically they who do y'all use as a music all the women that we need, all the people that we meet, um O, our families are our life experiences. But I mean it's definitely it's not just one thing. Especially with this album. There's records like still Pray for You where you know, you hear me going into you know, some family stuff and um, you know my relationship with my friends, you know, my circle keeps

shrinking down. It's like a dot now and yeah, from that to to you know, songs like Muse or songs like for Us where it's like, these are all different, different experiences in different times that might be might have been me or even eighty five. Eighty five sometimes comes up with you know, an idea or or a line or or you know, a concept that that you know, his experience that he might be going through, and that

turns into okay, I know exactly what that was like. So, so who was the one that got stabbed in the back previously? Then who came up with that and feels like they can't trust women? That's probably me? Uh So I want to know what exactly what line is that. I don't even know what line that is, but that sounds like me can you expand on what happened, because I I want to know why where this hurt comes from? Um that I don't I don't know. I don't know what line you're talking about to know? Do you do?

You know when you heard that? When did I say that? Now? I just remember you saying I can't remember what song it is. You know, I'll be listening to how that and let me sing. I'm gonna google it. Tell me the actual lyric. I'll tell you for sure. Whatever. But in the meantime, while you're looking, okay, here we go. Whenever I actually loved anybody, they've always stabbed me in the back. Oh well that wasn't me. That's the world woman. Yeah,

so this is like from the woman's perspective throughout the album. Yeah, we're using her to narrate the muses position. But with that said, I I was always and that's something the found. Um. But I connected to it because I felt like that before, where it's like anybody I ever really, anytime I ever go all the way hard, it's turned into the person

you know, turning on me in some different ways. Um. But my main situation that I was thinking of when you asked that question my first, my first, I guess she's my first everything, my first love, my first time, my first, all that besides kissing ship like that. But I guess my high school sweetheart, I guess you call it. Yeah, we were together for a few years and yeah, she she's the worst. Um No, she just you know, just

like betrayal. I never that was like you had, She had the pure She created the problems that a lot of girls dealt with in me afterwards, What did she do with me today where all of the problems lie. The problems lie when you get your heart broken, when you're in the fourth grade, all of your adult relationships, let that ship go. But did she what did she do? That's what we want to hear that. There's no real

way to make the story short. So I can just say this, like just the any every level of betrayal you could possibly think of, step one of your friends. No, crazy, no, but she she you know, just like the amount of lives, the amount of secrets, the amount of pull. Like this, I'll give you one one little section of the millions

of things she did. At one time, we went on a break and during that break, I literally, even in the break, refused to sleep with anybody else because I'm like, she's the only girl I've stuped with, and I don't want to give it away to somebody. Look at you. Yeah, and then when she comes back, I don't want to have to have another person another body there. So I

literally just help. Yeah, I literally just held it down. Ny. But by the time she came back, I found out this girl she ended up moving for a little bit. I found that she ended up moving because she was in a relationship with somebody else and left left. No, no, no, we were together from hid lasted into you know past that.

But yeah, I picked up, left the country, had a pull on boyfriend somewhere else, came back, came and then came back to me, and then told me that before she was even with the other boy boyfriend she had been with. Yeah, holding it down on a bright Nobody told you to hold it down, but she was sucking anybody. But you know what, he was gonna get right back that that's not really here. If you guys are on

a break, she's allowed to do that. No, no, no, you have to understand we were in a relationship when she basically got herself into another relationship with someone well, you got to prepare for I find you. That's only that's only a small part. I gotta prepare for that only a small part of the grand scheme. You take her back. I took her back before finding that up, because if he did this, came back lied about it. We were back together rolling and then I end up

finding out and did you stay with her? Are you just as? Like? How? Then? Where is she now? Who knows? Who knows? Look up her Facebook or nothing or see you know. The funny thing is, from the time we broke up, I literally have not seen And it's a weird because we should have ran into each other in Toron at some point by now. But they still pray for her. Do you still pray for her? Yes, she's

not on your prayers. No, she's not. I wonder, Yeah, ever got like a window bashed or something, because I can't imagine, like how y'all would be like angry, like I'm trying to figure it out. You have what is? Did they write something or was it just scratched up? No? So long story. When I first started traveling a lot more well with Drake, I at the time had given my girl the key to my house, like my current house and we basically broke up while I was on

the road. Yeah, but she still had access to my house and I was like, she's not gonna do anything crazy. I came back, stuff was ripped up, my car was all scratched up, and she tried to tell me it wasn't her. I was like, why did you break up on her? I'm just curious. I wait till I got home. At least he found somebody better on the road. No,

it wasn't even that. So at the time, at the time that was happening, that was literally when we were first starting division and I was working NonStop because Drake's schedule is like nine o'clock at night till like ten the next morning, so I'd be working NonStop and then

the time difference. So literally as I'm about to go to bed, she's waking up and texting me just like kind of getting at me for not being like on the phone, and I was just like, you know, I'm just here working, like really just working on the album. That's it. And she's like, no, I think there's other things. I was like, no, no, for real, like I I'm just working, Like when I wasn't working on Drake stuff.

I was still going back and forth with Daniel working on the First Division album, so I was working NonStop, and for whatever reason, she was just like, yeah, I don't like, I don't think you have enough time for me. And I was like, well, I'm just working right now, like this is a once in a lifetime chance. I don't think I'll always be this busy, but like I'll be back home with cool, like you live in my house, you know you have you have access to my house,

like you know, I'm I'm not doing nothing. And we were just like fighting all the time. Eventually I was just like, I don't like, I don't want to fight this much, like I can't do it. It's not even helpy for us to do it. And I wasn't so much mad. I was more exhausted and yeah, I can't I used by crying every day. No, I'm just like I don't have enough emotion. So I was just like, yeah,

I'm I'm kind of over this. Yeah, so you told it and moved out while you were gone, Okay, so she could have stayed there that I would have squatted and then when you came back and have been like you got to find a new place. Yeah, like like literally, she could have just stayed in chill, did whatever she was doing. Like I wasn't nice of you. I wasn't like honor about that stuff. I was more just like, yo, I just don't want to have these conversations, so we

can't do this anymore. In the back of my mind, I was like, she's at your house, so damn Like it's not that crazy. Like I didn't say anything bad to her. I was just like, I don't want to do this anymore. I came back, My car was keyed up and like ripped. I had this one shelf that was hanging on the wall. She had like ripped the

shelf off the wall. I was like, oh my, look, I tell you I came to the house one day and I think somebody was inside and I was like, I meant to tell you know through it, and they knew what car was yours and the car up to well, this is the thing. The garage is attached to the house inside the house to get to the car. A police report or nothing, huh nothing. So I was just like I just let it be. Do y'all ever do have y'all ever done anything crazy to a woman like

stalked her. Oh my god, No, it's gonna admit that popped up. You know, guys ain't gonna admit it. I've been popped up on too many times. Okay, I've heard some guys admitted. I've heard some guys a minute. I definitely have never been anything like that. The most I that I did is, you know, look through shipped at some point when I was like, right, have you ever

cried over a girl? That's the thing, like I anybody who actually knows me would probably say I'm too emotionless, Like I don't have enough of a response to so many things like good or bad. Um, I think a lot of it, Like and Daniel can attest to this is I think growing up, I was just so used to like not being a lucky one, you know, not expecting it to go right. So I'm not even gonna tell somebody if something might happen, because it just might

fall through. So I'm not gonna say anything. You know, when you do that for so long that even when I do have big wins now, or if I know there's going to be a big win coming up, I just don't mention it because I'm like I don't want to be the guy that was like saying, oh, I got this coming through and then it falls through and then you just kind of look, you know, crazy, like you don't celebrate after then after the fact, once it happened. I'm like it happened right onto the next That's literally

how I am. You know, like I've had some major wins in the last four or five years, especially in my production career. I haven't really like ever awhile out about that stuff. Daniel, Let's do a surprise party for him? Yeah, let's do it in New York. I'm trying to get up there. Yeah, come on, you want to have a surprise party for you? I think we should really do it. I think that's that would be a good idea that we're gonna and you could just be like excited. He

needs one of those men. He needs one of those Sure, do you think your music is better when you're going through some heartbreak? I think that No, I think the music is better maybe right after that. I don't want to talk about this ship when I'm actually in it for those people that are like I need to live and then when I'm past that, I'll go and tell you when I'm when I'm in it, I'm in it.

So if it's if it's a heartbreak, if it's or whatever, that's probably consumed me to the point I'm I'm not making music, you know, I'm just sitting in the crib, you know, stressing sick has always been I guess I don't know if word is the right word, but a little afraid of everything being amazing because I almost feel like what am I gonna pull from from my art? Where do I straw like my experiences? Because I feel like people don't really love happy music because love as

much as they love like sad music. I don't know that that's too because listen, happy music is great, like when you have a fun when you clean in the house, when you're about to go out. I understand what you're saying, though, because sometimes that heartfelt sad music can be different, It can be more meaningful. But I feel like on the radio, they don't like it as much. You don't like happy music, or they don't like as much on the radio, I

feel like they like happier. I don't know that's true, but I feel like everybody's favorite albums are the albums that like relate, to like something they're going through house. Yeah, people like Tony Braxton Classic album, because when you're in the house, you don't think to be like, oh, let me put on Happy by Pharrell, Like that's just too much. Like that's like when you outside, though, and you're drinking

and ship, like that's what you want to hear. I deal, there's music for every different movie, you know, right, g Lory, I want to ask you, have you guys ever cried in the club? What in the club? Like? Have you ever been girls? And even though you're supposed to be having a good time, ended up crying. I did crying the club one time, but I was on easy. I was crying at the same time. That's a weird combination. It's not supposed to be making you super happy, That's

what I'm saying. I was laughing at crying at the same time he was laughing crying. I started crying first, like I'm on drugs, but this is my life. Something was funny and I just started laughing and then I just this was years and years and years ago, like literally, like, yeah, ecstasy was a while ago for us. I think I might have lost my phone one time I started crying but like right there, maybe like I've never or maybe like I was drunk and I remember when I was younger,

but I don't remember. Just like what would make you ask that? Did you do that recently? And I just think about the song with future Oh crying in the club I'm tripping. Yeah, I was just thinking about that, because there are times when that happens, right. You know what?

I hate when you go out with your friends and y'all both have been guilty of this and you're a man, they're man cause and then they end up being outside on the phone the whole time and we're supposed to be like at dinner or at a party because yeah, and then your man call you and start you went and ruined the whole goddamn night. That shocks the whole night up. But I feel like y'all get pleasure out

of doing that too. Women they don't want her that they should have fun when she out with her friends ruin her night. You know what, I think that guys want to get guys A lot of us. I mean me as I'm like a I'm a fixer. I'm a problem solver, So I don't want to wait to fix ship, you know like, if something's wrong, let's deal with it. You Yeah, you picked up out like okay, that doesn't that doesn't. I mean yeah, if it's like you're at work and you've got to deal with some fun, cool.

But if it's like you can step away for two seconds and have a conversation a moment. If I'm upset the second, I need a moment, I'm one of those like, let let's talk about this. So it doesn't get that even if she's got with her friends like having a

good time, if somebody's birthday, you're gonna still call. I'm not trying to ruin your birthday obviously, but I mean hopefully hopefully before she got there or on the car ride or something we got somewhere, so it doesn't turn into like six hours of us just sitting here like festering. Because then by how much done, it's like you know, you might there's there's your might even be resentment by the time because if we just let something just linger.

But it depends on how the situations. Obviously, you think women have a perception of you guys because of your music, like that you're gonna be like really sweet and what a relationship would be like with you. Yeah, is that perception true? I think that what women here in my music and our music. Um, but I guess speaking on me because I'm guessing the voice that they're hearing, you're you're hearing. What they need to know is that they're hearing sides of me that exists. It doesn't mean that

side is constantly there at all times. That's not real, that's not you know, I'm not the guy that's talking about any one thing all the time, whether it be sex, whether it be love, whether it be you know, um, you know something about yo. Yeah, I feel like you could be the one that you know, I spend my life with it that's worth all this ship we're going through like that might These are things that certain women

have access to, certain situations that access. Because we were there, doesn't mean when I meet you, I'm immediately popping up with fifty roses and you know, white suit. You know, that's just not that's just not me. Um. R and B singers did that and B Gloria Huh that's nineties. R and B Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, you guys are nostalgic though, those are not like I'm telling you, Bobby

Brown was not bringing Whitney flowers. He was bringing a different kind of white something Whitney was bringing to They was bringing it to each other. Well, listen, you guys, we gotta make sure we do this again. But I do appreciate you all for actually doing lip service. I was really excited because I didn't think it was gonna happen. I was like, they better not canceled on, So thank you for showing up. Daniel almost canceled, So we do

we pull it together so we can multiply. Come on, mult and are gonna have this surprise party for you when you're in New York. Okay, we're gonna I'm gonna tell Mr Morgan, we're gonna get a great space and we're gonna find and you're gonna be excited. And if you act not happy, we're gonna be very upset. To keep your car. Don't wear no draws and nothing. You don't know. We're gonna us night, hit me up. We'll set it up alright, guys, But thank you all so much.

I really do appreciate it. You know, I'm a big fan of Division, so this is really really dope for me. Thank you. I appreciate you. And last question, what are those songs that you'll have on the stash that we haven't heard yet? Do hear them us now? Since we're gonna hear him later? Trying to think what do we have? We definitely have more records with Tight all this man. Okay, oh I love to that one time. That's a dope.

Get this time with booge you Yeah, we um. We're definitely sitting on on some germs there, so you guys are here those all right? Thank you for that. Yeah that's the headline. I'm just kidding. You don't wear underwear alright, devision, Thank you all so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Sucky draws on my balls so