Episode 249: Bond with the Wand (Feat. JoJo)

is said right, I'm a matigrade. I just put on an album, so I'm over here trying to, you know, have that glow up. I know that's right. Well, the album is fire. Good to know, thank you. So there's some fun things on here that we can talk about now. I saw that you said that you have stained from sex for a period of time, a period of time just to kind of focus on your female relationships. And we saw you at our Lennox and to Nashi and the video for Man. So how did it upstanding from

sex change your mindset? Well, I realized that I had never really done that, um since I started like since I started dating. You know, I had been in relationship since I was fourteen, not in the same one, but like two years here, one year here, three years here, and I had always went from one to the next and never really given myself a moment to be like, uh, to not be stimulated or to not even have the comfort of companionship like that. So it wasn't just about sex.

It was about companionship and self reliance and all that stuff. But um, I also found myself I'm really good at recycling like relationships, meaning so like if something, if something, if we're sexually compatible and we're both single, I'll be like, hey, what's up, you know, And I just didn't want to do that again. So, um, it was just about challenging

myself and growing up a little bit. You know, I'm twenty nine, and I didn't want to bring that same energy into like the next decade when I step into it. So I feel like I'm guilty of a similar thing. But like, do you feel like it's because of the different situations you learned even with your relationships and business and how like maybe you kind of put your trust in those you know, situations and then next thing you know,

they kind of let you down and disappointages. Absolutely, Yeah, I think when you find somebody that you can trust in your compatible way. That's hard to like, it's hard to open yourself up to new people. So I think that that's why I have been a backslider and you know, you know what I mean, because I don't open myself up to to new people very very uh, very easily, and it takes time and it's like an investment almost. So yeah, I is that what you were talking about? Yeah, exactly,

not sous Are you attached to that? Really is the vibe, isn't it? Yeah? I don't. It's it's hard for me. Like I'm nice to everybody, I'm cool for everybody, and and um, when guys meet me, they're like, oh man, that's that's a great personality. But and really like it's hard to get close to me because I'm so quick to cut people off, like the first especially when she's not her period. I should tell you, step Well, let

me ask you this. Did you have a lot of female friends or was this something that you also felt like at the same time, you have to focus on being closer with women. No, Honestly, I've been really fortunate to have amazing female friendships. Um, I've lived in l a for ten years and and a lot of people are like l A is so fake. But I gotta say, it's like we kind of attract the energy that you put out. So if you're having a fake experience, maybe look look into that. I don't know, you know what

I mean. I mean, so I have amazing friendships. Actually, my my two best friends that I grew up with in matt Massachusetts moved out to l A. And one lives up the street. She just had a baby, and um, we yeah, like she's been doing my hair and makeup since we were fifteen. And then my other girl, meany who we met on the playground when we were eight years old. Um, you know she's she's a flight attendant.

She's in New York right now. But I've had long standing, great female friendships and also new ones like to Nach and R. Lennox, like girls who are just carving their own path, doing their own thing. And but to be honest, most of my friends outside of music, whether they're in fashion or um you know, their lawyers or their makeup art, you know whatever. So how about Tearless with I read that, Um, when you were going through your battle, she kind of like,

you know, said, oh, I feel for you. And then you know, now she's turning around and she's going through a similar situation. Are you still in touch with her or how does that? Well? I'm not I'm not still in touch with her. We we had a cool we had a cool moment where like, you know, she was she's a really talented young woman obviously, and I like,

I really respect what she's done. But um, yeah, And she told me that she was sympathizing with what I was going through when I was going through it, and I don't know say other than she said she was sympath as with it. Right now, let me ask you this, during this time, right when you were abstinent, were you masturbating a lot? Yes, girl, absolutely, And I also wasn't. I wasn't perfectly abstinent, Like let me be okay, let let me be, let me be clear. Yeah I was

like once in a while. Yeah, No, honestly thought, like to be explicit, I didn't want to be penetrated. I did not want to receive any any because have you heard this saying you bond with the wand I didn't want to be bonded with no one. But that's I'm gonna use that. Yeah. The older woman said that to me, and I'm like, oh no, no, no, I can't take in anything other than I want all my creativity on my sexuality. But that doesn't mean I didn't have a hot make out. You know what I'm saying every once

in a while, a little oral, little oral girl. Oh yeah, let me tell you. I went. I went with about sex like two months, and it made me um not want to master me. I didn't want a master. I don't even want to come. But I only went two months, and I'm not gonna lie, I thought while I was like, all right, all right, all right, no, who am I gonna call? All right, I gotta go dee mm hmm some kind of guys. Am I into guys who are mad? Funny? Who are caring? Who are uh good? You didn't mention

dick at all? Like okay, okay, okay, I'm damn okay, I'm I'm amongst my girls here, I guess okay. Sex is very important to me at this point in my life. I don't have bad sex. I'm not staying with you. I'm not staying with you if we're not sexually compatible. I'm trying to be like about it, but it's okay. Be you. You know what I'm saying. Listen, So does size matter? Yeah? Your first yes, it does. Your first inst thing was yeah, and then you try to clean

it up. I mean yeah, but do you get like sometimes business like saying, say, like the first time, you're like, uh, he's kind of a good size, but it wasn't that good. Would you second chanced? Okay? The truth things, I've never had a one night stand because I've given that person the second chance. It would have been a one night stand because it was whack. It wasn't good for me. I don't know how he thought. He probably feat it wasn't good either. But like a couple of years later,

I was like, you know, he had been trying. I was like, oh it, let's just let's see if it's no. And it was still whack. You're sweetheart for that. Yeah, you know, I have lost your heart I had. I was optimistic. I was like, maybe he had an off night, maybe he was too high. I don't know. You know, it's interesting. I was reading this article in Men's House and it was that when guys are in a great relationship having great sex, they're more likely to cheat when

the sex is great. Wow. And I don't know why, but it was this article about it, and they were saying that when you are more comfortable and having sex and having great sex, and then when you're having a dry spell, guys are less likely to cheat. I don't know that thing. And do you think it's true for women as well? Because to be transparent, I have cheated in a relationship where I was having great sex. It wasn't about the relationship being bad. It wasn't about the

sex being bad. It was I felt hitty about myself, but I was having great sex. So maybe it's not just exclusive to men. Maybe we're all just trashed. And that's what the article was saying too. It's not about your relationship not being good. It's more about a lack of something in yourself exactly. It's never about the It's like it's how you feel about yourself always now. And I was gonna say that guy you cheated on, right, was this the guy from the song reckless from back

then or was it somebody else? Like? No, that was a different guy, you know, the guy that I wrote that song Reckless about on my last album. Um that was like almost like a high school sweetheart type thing, and that was like, you know, he lost his virginity to me. I had only been with one another boyfriend for him. It's not like I was the seasons, you know, and then you broke no, But yeah, it just maybe

you weren't. He was a really sweet, like southern, very Christian guy, and we're just we weren't going to be compatible long term. But but this person that I was talking about, um with this nah, it's it's a different person. And I really, I really fucked it up and I'll never be the same After that, I was like, I can't cope in the same way as I can't just get this external validation and distract myself with uh, you know, with the tension uh like I have in the past.

That's just I don't want to I don't want to do that anymore. Did he break up with you or did he still want to be with you? After that? I told him what I did a few months later, and we we tried to make it work and it didn't. You know, it couldn't. Why did you tell him because you didn't get caught? Obviously. I told him because I thought that we could very easily end up getting married and having like really having a life together. And I couldn't live with that. I couldn't. I could not live

with that. I just kept looking over at him and being like, I love you, You're such a good man. I can't. I'm gonna tell you someday, and I can't have it be too late, man. You know. They say it's selfish and to tell us about I know, and I agree. I agree. Even my therapist was like, are you gonna do it again? I was like no. She's like like, yeah, it's something I couldn't. I I couldn't. That's how I am. But Angela always called me a

bad person to myself. She's what do you mean? She says, I'm being bad to myself because I'll tell I'll be like, listen, I can't hold it in anymore. I felt terrible. I cheated or I did whatever, I went to lunch or whatever. I'll say whatever I didn't. She's I went to lunch. I mean, yeah, but I've got in the trouble for that, Angela. I agree that some information is distracting and not necessary, but but you you can use your discernment and and

know what you you know. I guess you went to lunch with somebody, and you know if you thought about it and it was no big deal, like and you know he's gonna be mad for no reason, and you know you didn't do anything, and I lied. I just sawed her ball, I know exactly. So just when you were coming out, did you have like older guys I was here and you especially like in the industry, because it was yes, yeah, right, honestly, yes, is because you

still see these some of these guys I'm here. Yeah, honestly now that I'm a grown woman, now, I'm like, that is fucking nasty. You are gross and you I wonder what you were doing with other I wonder if like there were other underage girls that you know you were I mean, yeah, thankfully. I never I was never taking advantage of nobody ever, like did anything wild. But my poor mother, like she was really trying to make

sure that that I wasn't taken advantage of. But I would like want to like talk to these older boys and stuff, and she was like my fast through in the Hudson River. We were living in New Jersey at the time. She was like, nope, not on my watch, good mom. Yeah, yeah, Now I gotta ask you this song comeback right? Is that about what makes you come so fast all the time? Yeah? And what and what

is fast? Oh? What is fast? Um? See it? I don't know exactly take me, but okay, So this was actually about me fantasizing about how how intense it would be to get back with that person that I was telling you about. Love him? I do, Yeah, he says, I can't with y'all. You do because you said you backbedal a lot, So I know you do. Oh I hate you. No, I'm just trying to figure it out. Figure it out. He's like, girl, what is the Sagittarius energy? I don't know. Man, they know I'm listening to you.

I'm like, they hear the story from me all the time. It is hard to break up with somebody who makes you come really fast, though, because that's not an easy thing to find. When you bond with the wand and when you have that, you know, and when it's more than sex, it's it's it's it's crazy. But especially when you have that pent up energy and you've been you know, haven't seen somebody in a long time, there is nothing

like that. I love that dramatic comeback to be honest with you, Like I love when you've been thinking about having sex with the person for a long time and then you're like, oh ship, mom me unleash the cracking on your ass. You guys just happened to me like two weeks ago, bro, and I bet it was as good as fun. It was fabulous. But I feel like you're a squirter. I am not, but I do like I do. I'm into it. I like watching it, I

like seeing it. I like the idea of it. But naha, all of this made me feel like, you know, you do a big explosion, So I was just curious as well. But you know, I don't believe it. You know, I really really love when you talk nasty on your songs. Those are my favorite songs from you, and especially on this new project, is when you're getting freaky. I like that from you. I like that side Okay, is that

what it is? I thought? I'm sorry, we all wanted the same, but Jojo, you've been so you've been a side piece before, and I judged that from this one of your songs. UM so bad, right, yo? So actually so bad? Is that me and this guy we're both lying to each other and knowing that we were lying to each other. We were both in a relationship, and so if you want to call me, I would never actually call myself a side piece. I've never knowingly been a side piece. But I but he was lying to you,

but you knew it and you were lying to him. Yeah. I think we both were like, no, we're we're on breaks from our people, but we we premeditatively wanted to get involved in some fucking serious Have you ever confronted a woman like okay, um, you're mess up with my man or you're calling my man. Um. I'm trying to remember because I I'm really good at compartmentalizing and like not like anything I did before the age of twenty three, any relationships I was in, it was like they didn't

even happen. I remember, Yeah, so I shouldn't have even been been able to be let out the house. Um. But um, let me think I think I know actually, and let me tell you why. Because my I was dating this guy and he cheated and I cut like the rug was pulled out from under me, and I was just like, I never thought that you would do

this to me. And I remember I had met this bitch, right, I had met this girl that he cheated on me with, and I remember her being like, I love you like a group your music, like like I had a poster in my locker, blah blah blah. I'm like I was like, I'm going to confront this bitch. No, she's not going to get a call from me, nothing like that, because yeah, so I was just like, no, she's a fan nub. I don't think so she's not gonna she'll be like,

get you call me. That's a great story. So I didn't tell when I catch when I catch my man with another girl, I'm not gonna give her the satisfaction of knowing she got me that I'm gonna write them, but I'm not. I'm and it's never about the woman either. It's like that the issues between me and my man, I'm really not upset. I mean, she's gonna do what she's gonna do, but he's his commitments to me right now. That's definitely it is happening to you because you guys

know my situation I've been with. I thought for a long time, what am I gonna do? And I'm not gonna lie. I've caught this guy who I've been in love with for a few years now, and I've called one a lot of different women over the years, and I've never confronted one of them. I'm not not even white. He heard it. I'm broken up with him a lot of times. We'll be on and off or whatever, you know,

but I end up forgiving for him anyway. And but regardless, the only anyway back to the subject, the reason why, it's because I'm not gonna give another woman the satisfaction of feeling like she got under my skin, like right, But when makes you take them back? Though? Like, how do you get over that? Cheating? Said? Is that after you get over it? Though? What do you get over it? Are you able to? Like I never get over it? Yeah, you just stay in fight the whole time. I don't know. No,

I don't mention it either. I don't know. I don't bring up no women to him at all. Ever, it's just like, okay, I'm back at the moment, I'll argue about it, I'll break up with him, blah blah blah, and between time in the meantime, I'm suffering. I miss him, messing with nobody else, Like I'm thinking, what you mean that? Finally? Either he gives in or I give in, And look,

I mean, stuff already already knows this. Every everybody's growing obviously, and it's gonna work until it doesn't work for you anymore and then and then that's it. But it's gonna do what feel good until it feels not good anymore. You know what I'm saying, Like, that's really all all. That's the advice I would give my girlfriends, Like, yes, you deserve more, of course, but if something, if you're getting something from this, then get what you get from

it and then look for something else. You know, sometimes you think about it at the worst time to like you'll be sucking his dick like dick, Angela. You know it's awful. That's because like you'll be having sex and you'll be thinking, oh my, don't have something if I think a bottle. Hell no, Angela, you need to be more in the moment than that. I want to be so focused cut down that moment my head. You'll be so mad and you'd be like I get with you.

I get where you're coming from, Angela, because it's like little things could trigger memories and you're like, oh wait, someone else was just doing this. Yeah, your dick off, no idea you'd be liked. I taste listen you on here, that's not come on you all and you're just might and you're now you know you take it too. Five. Have you ever smelled somebody's underwear or smell their dick when they come home and been like, what have you

been up to? You're crazy? You know is crazy. But I have smelled like, um my nigga, like ya, you smell a little bit different, you know what I mean? Like did you take a shower like you can? You can smell when someone takes a shower and ain't soak y'all use at home. It's a different so hotel. So damn, it's scandalous out here. Yeah. You know. One time, one time I caught my man with a girl in his

house and she had on a pair of his sweatpants. Right, that's so upset it, that's so upsetting the same being you like the word too. I was like, oh really okay, So I screenshot it and I'm like, oh, so this is what we're doing. Okay. So I ended up going to his house for five days, made when my period was not because that's the only time I ever catch some one of they you can't even wait a couple of days. I swear to God I can't. But anyway,

you can't do it. I mean lately, I have to admit right now, like I'm in a good place when it comes to my love life. I feel like, you know, I'm seeing effort and I'm really proud of this person. But anyway, let's go back to the story. So when I got to his house, sweatpants and I found sweatpants and I smelled them, and they smell like a dirty ass no stuff. I swear this is a true story. Okay, See that would bring me some petty joy, be like,

I mean joy because I took out. I was like, you really fucking but just who don't know how to clean and pussy really smell? It's like that smelling And he's like, what are you talking about? He's like, what are you talking about? He's like, that just wasn't she wasn't where I'm like, so this is how you smell. And I'm sorry, yeah, that's discussing, Stephanie. I'm not swelling. I'm not smelling nobody. Not only did he cheat on you, but you also smelled division ass, Like Alrett, you could

smell my sluts. I promise you girls, you could smell my sweats and they smell good. Kapanie, we are not smelling your ass. You're good and it's not like nothing. You're not gonna smell anything. I smelled her maybe it was tap on Tuesday. I was like, you're walking with these little young twenty year old butshes who don't know how to clean the ass yet. Well, damn was very specific. Now, let me ask you, guys, tell you are you the type of girl who would cancel on your friends for

a man. You know, there's some women at periods of time in our life when our man took so much precedence that sometimes we didn't see our friends and we weren't the best friends that we could have been to

our girls just because we were in a relationship. I'm definitely, yeah, definitely guilty of that um in the past, but I'd be very trans parents with it sometimes, Like I'll if I'm like, hey, laadies, me and my man are going through something, or I'm trying to get my man back and I really, you know, need to do this or whatever, I'm never just gonna be like I'm never gonna got or just be like a total flake. I'm gonna be like, I'm choosing to go do this because I'm growing and

I'm letting you know, and I'm sorry. I'll make it up to you. You know, Okay, that's fair. Some people will lie and be like, oh I feel asleep or no, I hate it. I think I hate that me and I always I cancel on everything for my right. You thought you're sleeping in my house and I girl, that resonates with me. Yeah, I get that. I'm I'm sorry. Asked it was a couple of star to do the show, because I was yes, she work, Okay, the party's not in show up too, because listen, I like to be

by myself. I'm like, quarantine is nothing for me. I'm always I like being home alone. It's even training for this. Yeah, exactly, I've been entrained. But when it comes to so like when my friends are around me too long, I'm like, all right, all right, this, I gotta I need she gotta go, you gotta go long. I'm like, oh, Stacy, please, I love you. Stacy. I'm like, I love you, girl, but I need I need some time when I'm with my man. He goes to the bathroom. I'm dying. Oh

my god, when is he going back? Why did you have to go to the bathroom? Toxic? Yea toxic bro. I was just I just spent um. I just spent almost three weeks in his house and I um bout day five. I was ready to go home. Oh but so how did you turn the corner though and make it the three weeks weeks? I asked him. I was like, hey, baby, mom, I've been here a while. You want to think a sign for me to go home? And he was like, no, you're not going home until I say you're going home.

You like that. Rob figure it out, but you know, we take off. But one thing about being with this person, he we take our space when we're together, Like he'll go someone, he'll go work out or do whatever he's doing, and I'll go do whatever I'm doing. And then we'll meet in the middle something at some point during the day or in the nighttime. Like it's not like we're

always in each other's face. But if you do with this phone and year around it's his phone, like this, it's on silent and and and and does he turned it over? Because I'm very stucked with my phone so I just asking if someone who's very sad, what you got to hide jail, Joel, It was just my business. I pay the bill, Like I feel like he puts the phone really close to his face and then when he when he's done, he puts it in his pocket. You see that would irk me? I would, I don't

know it would. In the he sleeps with his pants with sweatpants, sweatshworts, phone in the pocket. That's crazy, crazy, that's ridiculous. You don't working about me looking at his phone. I don't want him looking at my phone, so all of that, but you you would look at it if you could, like say, he went to the bathroom and he left it unlocked for you know, those five seconds it's unlocked. One time this did happen in the very

beginning of our relationship. We were we were in a hotel and he was living in the hotel, and he went to the bathroom and his phone was unlocked. And I've seen a gold ding. So I went and I looked at it, and I saw what a whole bunch of it I didn't want to see out of my life that I would never look through his phone. However again in my life because going anywhere, he's not going any I'd rather I'd rather not even know. So no, I'm not I don't want to know. Hey, he Marrio,

have you ever given out your password to your phone? Now? I always do you do? Yeah, because I'm an idiot, like, hey, it's my birthday. Duh? What about what about you and Jojo? Um? Yeah, I tried that. No, it was fine, it was fine. You know, I've I've had all different dynamics and relationships. I've I've tried an open relationship. I've tried um, you know, super closed where you know, you have my password and I have yours and stuff and and it was cool.

And then that person cheated on me and then I was bruised, and I carried that energy into the next one and brought my own savagery into the mix. So I don't know, I don't know. You know, I'm just trying to live. What about living with guys? Do you like? Is that something that you've done, like lived with your boyfriends or whatever? You know, I've actually only had a boyfriend like live with me. Um, So I've never intentionally cohabitated with somebody and but like definitely done the oh

it feels like we're, you know, playing house or whatever. Um, yeah, and spent a lot of time over a guy's place. But I'm looking forward to it. I don't. I don't. I'm really happy, like with my own space right now. But I think it'll be cute. It'll be cute. I went to fall in love. I share my location, you share your You're falling in love with the same person over and over. When we break up, that's when you know what's I'm mad at him when I take my

location off. Oh that's the that's the sign. I'm just grabbing a chargers. We're getting a nice tour, nice house. I like that around a little bit. I wish I could. I got to clean my damn place. But so, how did it feel putting out this album? And I know, obviously it's a difficult time you were supposed to be on tour and everything, but it's still well received. So what's that? Yeah, I mean, how ridiculous would I be if I'm like, oh god, poor me. I mean, people

are really going through it right now. So what I'm that that it threw off my touring schedule or you know, it's just this is the time that people first of all, we have a cape to audience, so so they're you know, they're taking in my music, however they are from their home and it's Yeah, the reception has been freaking really dope. I mean, Drake had to put out a mixtape the same day that I put on my album. But besides that shit, no, but um, it's it's been really cool.

I miss like I want to be out there and touring, and I'm just as much as I love l A, I'm in my damn house like i'mutside, I don't want to. Yeah, so I'm excited to get on tour like at the end of the year or whenever you know, the world resumes. We made you choose Tory Lanes. I had the feature for your project because you don't have any other features, just him, and it's a dope as record. But women, do you go with him? Well, first of all, I I do want to collaborate with way more people, but

but I'll start with with Tory. We've been talking about working on something for a while, Like we did a college show a few years ago at like one of those Ivy League schools like Princeton or Gale or Harvard. I don't know which one, but we we did a show and I was like, oh ship, he's he's really dope when you say it. I love that song. You're gonna have to do them a lot and just um so, and then I started to listen to more stuff because he was like if we should getting the studio blah

blah blah. Anyway, when I wrote come Back Dirty Rock who produced it, and I were like, this would be this would be dope to really just have a guy on it and talk shit like word. And the first person that came to mind was Tory because I had just broken a minute was like my favorite song that had just come out, and so I sent him the song and he wrote me right back. He's like, I'm definitely the guy for this. I should have known because he basically killed me on my own song. It's kind

of late. Didn't not kill you. He he did a thing, but I just lost you. Guys. I thought it sounded a little different, but I wasn't sure what. I think it's switched from her switch. Let's take that singing. We're gonna loop it and make a song. Hello you know angelaa rap? Oh word? Now I just said you're singing I'm sorry. Can you hear us? Yeah? I can hear you in one headphone? This crazy. I was just saying that we're gonna take your singing and loop it and

make it into a song. Please please sample me. Al is gonna wrap over it, so it's gonna be Yeah, we're gonna watching you and all your bead videos. You're the real rapper. So I'm just write it for Angela though, because she's been trying to wrap for a while. Now. So what are you drinking? Oh? So I'm drinking Tekla because it is the day that we recorded this single to Maya. This is this is Michael Jordan's m tequila. It's called to Cora Flag. I've been testing it. I've

been testing it. It's pretty good. This is the Reptile and she's drunk. I am. I'm got to start drinking when it hits about what time is it? When it hits four pm? Here in New York, it's almost seven, So I think it's fair. Yeah, I know you're good. Get happy all we're happy. All. Now, let's me ask you this, like, how much do you let slide? I

know you'se little last slide. Stephanie in a relationship. But you know, how much do you think that, like you try not to argue when you let a lot of things slide that maybe looking back, you're like, why did I let that go? We're gonna let Joe Joe answer, you want me to answer this, stephaniely let everything slide. But that's the thing. It seems like I let everything is fod But in reality, I don't. I break up with the I break up with this man for any thing.

If one hair is out of place? What is this doing in your house? Okay? I'm even I don't want to be you love it? You love it? Some people like every other day they break up. Okay, So I've definitely been in that that pattern that you know that's totally get that. But for me right now, what I'm I will probably let something slide, But it's all relative, right, like what we consider letting things slide. Like I I'm gonna compromise with my man. We're gonna talk things out,

um and I'd be fucking up. So I'm gonna need him to let some things slide too. But it's all I don't know. I as as I as I grow and I get older, I realized that you just have to really actively listen and like try to understand where another person is coming from. And if you can do that, then you can have a good relationship. How was those open relationships for you? Because you talked about you once tried that. Would you try that again or is that

something that's for you? I don't think that's for me at this point in my life. I did that earlier in my twenties and tried it once and then, um, I actually ended up not wanting to be with anybody else. We ended up closing the relationship. And then that man cheated on me once the relationship and he was used to doing what he was doing already, I guess, So, you know, I don't really know how to just was it was what it was, So I don't know. I was kind of hurt by that situation, So I don't

think I would want to try it again. Did he ever try to approach you? Like, hey, how about we bring a girl into the bedroom And no, that particular person knew not to go there with me, But um, yeah, I've gone there. I'm into it, Like Mary, you know, it depends everything is case by case, Like you shouldn't for me, I don't think you should it with every not everybody deserves it, and it doesn't feel right with everybody.

You need to be able to trust what's going on, so you know, if if the mood, if the mood strikes me, I'm open to whatever. Is it better, but better with a girl you know or a stranger? Like would you say, okay, let's bring I I don't. I don't have that much experience to where I can even speak to like whether it's better with my girl or straight now, I don't know. You know, but did you pick?

Were you able to pick? Or did he pick? Or was it like ya were just out and was like, oh whatever if this person, no, this was this was all my doing. Let's have a three somewhere. This girl it's gonna be in this day. I mean, I just I just let the moment roll. But I I premeditated it from the beginning of the night pretty much. You know, he wasn't gonna say no. I don't like I've had three to three sons in my entire life, both with the same girl. So you liked this girl a lot.

I just trust her and I know that she's not gonna make me do anything to her. She likes everything to me, so and I don't like girls. It worked out, but I and I have such like the two threesomes that I've had were fired like some fire sex. But I I just I couldnot be with somebody I love and another woman I feel. I totally feel you. So it's like a totally to you. I can't watch the man I love have sex with a woman. I can. I can watch some other things for them, but no, no, no,

I can't do it. I'm a freak out. Wait what some other things go down? Girl? What do you think? I just don't want to see your dick in somebody else? Okay, I didn't know what you mean. Yeah, I don't want to see that With Stephanie. It feels like Stephanie calls the girl and she's like, I know what's up girl? Like I'm a back back girl. Is ready? I got me and me and this girl. We've had two threesomes in like apart ten years, like happened last year and

the other one happened like eight years ago. Okay, so but I'm not gonna lie. Both times we were like yeah, girl, so really y'all go together? Yeah? We go together? Right? Or die? You never had sex with somebody and you felt like they were a fan, like they were amazing. Yes they were, yes, yes, Oh my god, let me tell you actually a horrid story. Oh my god, this is so embarrassing, but I'm not telling you, Okay. So

I was. I had known this guy for a long time because I tend to have these experiences with like again, I don't just I don't meet somebody and like let them into my life. I knew this person for like seven years, and I never thought that we would end up going there, but we did. And um, you know, he had always told me how much, you know, he respected me as an artist, my voice, blah blah blah. So when I finally was like, let's do this, he was like okay. Then he put on Usher's Superstar on loop.

Do you know that song you groopy babe? Do you want my super stuff? He put it on, like on a continuous playlist, and it was just like I never thought this moment would come, and I'm just like, oh, so, like really, you know, it was so gross, and retrospect was very It was like in the moment, I guess it was okay because we were like really drunk off tequila. But now that I'm thinking about it, and and I'm like,

this is gross. That crazy effort is that you had sex with him again because you told that you never had a one nice thing. I know. That was like a week of just like, really, what a weird experience. That was a weird experience. It was good, it was I mean, it was good. He did a good job. But you're like, I'm talking, but worth it? Are you loud?

Are you loud in the bedroom? I'm sure you can imagine that with my uh my resonance, my voice that yes, I I am loud, And but it's also fun to like have to shut the funk up sometimes and like be quite. You know, I like all of it. So yeah, well listen, all of this was good to know you see. That's what I was talking about. That's why the album is called this be Some No, It's perfect. I love it.

I think it's great, and it's gonna make people relate to you more because these are stories that are hilarious and likelivable, and you know, I don't like I don't like when people put out like the music that you've put out that is so personal and like it's very real. Is sexual some of it, and then you don't talk like that at all. It doesn't match up. So now, yeah, some of the real experiences. Yeah, I mean when when I when I wrote come Back, and I'm like, tell

me it's mine. I'm gonna lose my fucking mind. I need that dick all the time. I was like, am I about to say this? I'm like, fuck it, my girl, this is how I talk. Here we are. Do you feel like you're You're like, not limited, but do you feel like you think twice with those lyrics because you were singing young, so you had to kind of watch the way that you said certain things when you were younger.

So now you're still like now, because what's the whole back you feel like from like saying things like that, because you seem pretty open. I am very open, but it's I think about my family. I think about um where where I come from, and just like you know, I think about my aunt telling me how she loves how classy I am. And I'm like, and so I told my aunt Connie earlier this year, I'm like, look, I'm gonna do something. Don't say some things that you're

not gonna understand. I was like, but I want to let you know that even though I'm a big old freak, I'm still a really classy woman and I'm a bad girl, but I'm a great woman. And I was like, you know, so she's like, Joanna, don't be talking about Dick. And I'm like, honey, does she have kids? She does. She was talking about Dick at one point in time. Two girls. So yeah, you know, people want to act like they

were never like that. I just actually shot I just shot a video at my place and I shot it on my table and my mom was like, I was like, Mom, sorry that you're about to see me, like, you know, be writhing on this table and stuff. And she's like I was fucked on so many tables. I was like, yeah, yes, so it's amazing. That's where I get it from. Pretty much. Well we love it up. I saw you guys hiking and so so distancing and everything, so yeah, she's amazing.

I will thank you. All right, can you day industry guys, Jojo? Because I know you had a soccer player, want to what do you mean by industry guys? Like do you like, will you limit? Will you cut them off? Because it's like, all right, I don't want to date anybody in the same industry as me, or like, do you like regular guys or does it not matter? I prefer guys who Actually it doesn't matter, It really doesn't matter. But I need you to be confident with what you do for

a career. Um, I'd like you to know about music, because I remember I was talking to this guy I did it wasn't serious, but I talked to this guy who was in real estate and who like I didn't know who tried called quest was and like what's from? Yeah, I like, I need you to know music, love music, and um, you don't need to be in music, right, So well, the guy knew esther, he knew you was here. You guys stop sorry, all right? Well, Joe, Joe, thank you so much. We appreciate you for taking the time

out for us. Thank you so much. I hate my freaking headphones. Okay, this's fun, but I'm gonna try that one day too, when I'm ready to go. I'm not ready to go. Yeah, I get it. This thing on, Oh my god, I'm trying. It's okay, John, Joe. I had a good question for you, but we're gonna let you go on nothing part too. For you, thank you, congratulations. I'm sorry, okay,