Episode 152: It Hurts so Much it's Beautiful (Feat. Venus Cuffs)

type of thing that can really go down. So talk to us about what it means for you to be at dom dominatrix and uh, what type of people are requesting your services? Um, fifty shades is nothing like what things are really like. They did not capture in essence, what we're all about as a community, because there actually is a community of of us that that kind of do this on a regular basis. This is our lifestyle.

This is like, you know, I have forty two submissives and I can call them any time of the day I need drive here. They one of them gave me a ride. I call him my cab um taking to her appointments taking me to get my nails done. Um, sometimes they pay rents, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they give me a massage when I need. It's more of a lifestyle, it's more of an everyday thing is kind of unrealistic.

And um, the way they kind of met each other at work and he's like a gazillionaire and she's like poor, and then they kind of there's like a red room in the back of his house somewhere. The whole thing is just like bizarre as fucked Like we were all like looking at the like, what the fund is this? It's bullshit? It's right, So all right, so explain to me how can somebody like get involved in this life? How did you get started as a as a dom? Yikes?

So it's called dan's and subs. Right, how does the slaves what do you call them? Um? It depends on what your role is and what you feel more comfortable in. Okay, there's actually a difference between the submissive and a slave. A lot of people don't even know that. What's the difference. So a slave gives up all their rights. Everything in d s M is power exchanges, right, Um, I give you my power, uh to have over me? And to

tell me what to do and to request certain things. Um, how did the safest way to do is that we would have like for example, mooves me and you we would have a conversation. Um, and do it do it first right now? Um, I'm gonna pretend to be you're submissive ha ha um. So hi, I'm interested in you being my dumb sometimes that are happened like that? Um, and then what do you think? And then what do

your qualifications have been? Experience? Yeah? Yeah, that is a question you ask how long have you been doing this? Have you served anyone before? You do have experience? What services can you offer me? Because if you have nothing to bring to the table, how are you serving me? If you can't drive me places, if you can't clean for me, if you can't cook for me, if you can't do my laundry, if we have a hope, if

you can't take me to dinners and you can't. You can't do all these things, and you're not to fight one for me. But these are all questions you gotta ask from the jump. You can't ask halfway through. It's like a relationship. I want to know if you're married. I want to know if you have kids. I want to know if you have a stable income. You know, these are things you talk about. Well, David, I don't want to know, so you okay, So you would talk

about these things first, that's the first thing. And they're called negotiations. And when you do negotiations contract, yes, and then you get to the contract after negotiation, Wait, do you go to dinner to have this negotiations? And side could be I recommend all of that. I mean I don't know about the side walk like, okay, let's not get out your past about what you can offer me. Okay, So that's just submissive. But wait, so how can they find you? So wait, what about a slave? Because you

said there's a difference. Yea, So during these negotiations you would talk about power exchanges and in what way are these exchanges going to be had? So it can either be they are a sub A submissive is someone that is like a housewife, like they will They still have their own opinions, they still have saying certain things, but the ultimate decision lands on the dom. But they still have a voice. You can take their voice with a slave is complete opposite of that. They have no voice.

They can say things that they want to do because legally, you know, by law, they have to say, like I consent to doing this, or I consent to being funcked in. He asked for fourteen hours or something like that. Listen, you domin you right now, But you guys know it's like a no pleasure. Man. Isn't the first day I don't think that you've done? I mean venice, you've done four teens. So yeah, the fifth. It wasn't nobody from Black Ink, was it? Oh? The fifth? Whoa I play

the fifth? Damn it. It wasn't fourteen hours. It wasn't fourteen hours with with that person, but um yeah, I dominated that person times. Actually, are you taking that somebody from Black Ink because you wear I'm blacking. Yeah, but confidentiality agreement or not at all. They just never They've never done anything to me, and I've never done anything to them. And as a dumb that's just part of

like colde. I wouldn't like out somebody. What you mean by outing is like, you know, exposed them to the world just because I don't get along with the shop anymore. Like that's not I don't I don't do things like that, like unless you unless I feel that I need to do certain things to get things done. I'm not gonna just like be trashing you out on the streets just for like a come up or something like that. That's that's why to me. All right, we'll tell me about

black ink and what happened. Oh wait, no, let's get to do this. Get We were asking, how do you like, how does the initial meet up or how do you guys like so how do we as dot com? Like so many questions? Can you put yourself out there as a mistress? How do your SUBMISSI find you to say? Hey, I want to I want you to dom me. There's several ways. Okay, so there are actual communities for this.

There are things called munches where people actually meet up and like, yeah, munches just like lunches, but like lunching. Yeah sounds funny, black um correct um. And we met at like diners like restaurants and like you have like people thirty people all meet together kind of it's like a mixer in a way, but like everyone's talking getting to know each other. You can yourself munch mondays, yeah,

and I've met several of my subs through munches. Um. Sometimes they um like before I started going like a little more mainstream with uh, you know, the New York Post interview, Uh, doing some consulting for like other media outlets that I cannot mention because I actually do I have an agreement with them, um for some of the

shows that they're working on right now. Before I started doing things like that, I actually, um for a while, used to meet subs through like places like Craigslist before I got shut though, um no, because what are you gonna do to me if they try to kidnap you with something. That's why it's best to meet in public. You meet somewhere publicly. You don't go anywhere like in the car or like you know, to their apartments. That's like a recipe for disasters either way. You know, now

there for black Dominatrix is right? Most of your clients are white men. Oh yeah, successful white men because they have to have, like you said, have to have money in order to be able to afford this type of luxury. Several of them you have all heard of before, very wealthy, very well known Donald Trump. Uh No, but I wouldn't doubt he definitely seemed like delight that would be hiring a hint hint. I wouldn't doubt it. That's what I'm saying.

M He's word has been out on the street for a minute amongst us, like in our community, pictures have been like going around. That's all I'm gonna say, because it really has nothing to do with me. I've never seen this man, I've never met him before. We don't want you to get staffed at the airport. I sure do, and I'm not storming that. I know somebody. I'll smack everybody. So why do you explain why do you think a

man would be into this? Because I know some guys are listening and like this sounds like a terrible idea, but they're a little bit intrigued. Uh. If any man sister says that they've never thought about a woman being on top, which is a form of domination in my opinion, If you have a woman on top, controlling strokes, controlling when you come, she's dominating you because she has control

over that sexual situation. We gotta live dominant, yeah, because we all give head all Right, unless you're doing it because he told you too, then that still makes him in the person in control. That makes any sense, right, if you're doing it because like no, like right out, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna put this on you right now. Like that's that's you dominating him, right, You're the dominant situation yours. It's true too, who s series a dog? She's letting it be known. You know,

I never heard accidentally summons me. I've never heard the boy that sorry a lot of power in this working out. Sorry work apple. Um, back to how you got started, right? What was your first? Um? Who was in l A was in Los Angeles? Um. When I was in Los Angeles, I started like meeting different guys. UM. I met one guy at a coffee shop. He was a lot older than me. And the first thing I thought, you know, I'm gonna be honest, it wasn't like, oh, this seems

like a nice person to do whatever. It's like he probably has a lot of money. Like, let's see where this is going, Like it's gonna be I was nineteen at the time. If you're gonna be that old talking to me and you don't have any money. So he's like, I would love to take you out on a day. I can take you here and I can tell you there. I'm like Okay, well where will we go? I want to know where you're gonna take me. I want to know what your pockets are, looking at what car you're

driving out the lot of everything. And so he's like, uh, you know, he mentioned like a five star restaurant, you know, and like he's talked about meeting at a five star hotel and like, you know, ordering the best of the best, giving me gifts and things like that. And I was like, okay, well this seems cool. And then I was like, you know what, like I don't understand, like why I'm still around this guy if he can't do more for me, Like dinners are nice and everything cool, But like what

if he would have said Chick fil a? All right, so you continue, sorry, that would have been a rob But if he took you in his lambo though, and then took your shopping after, y'all was just going to Chick fil a because he liked Mercedes one day to Purce the next. So I was like okay with him, okay um, And he actually I found out later on he actually owns a talent company in Los Angeles. Um

so um. He told me that he had been in the lifestyle for years that at that time of the nineteen I have no idea what the lifestyle means or any of these terms. He said, he's been a lifestyle for over like twenty years. He's an older white man. I wouldn't that man gay? Like if a guy he said to me, I wanted to be I've been in the lifestyle for a while, the first thing, for some reason, I would have been like, Okay, so you've been gay. That's what I would have that. I guess that's why

I body doth. No. I don't know what the hell. But if you say lifestyle, they like being uh with doms? They like being stuck. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. There are a lot of rappers are like being with doms. I'll just put that out there. You've pad some celebrity kind, but you're not allowed to out them. I am not allowed to out them because I want to continue to work with them. Yeah, and like, you don't even do it.

That's not why you do. Like you don't do things like this if it's a business, You're not doing it to put the next person's business out. And the reason why they trust you is because they know that you're not going to put out there, So why break that trust?

Like the same after something you know what I told you did this ship every day because in the strip club community, it's the same thing, you know, like when these guys are coming and spending all this money on you doing whatever they're doing for you, especially those that are famous or rappers, are married or whatever, they don't

want their business out there. They're trusting it. You're gonna keep the business and believe it or not no matter how unless they did something outrageous like assaulted you or something like that and you need to come forward. I don't really believe, just like that's what you said. But I also personally, like morally don't believe it just dragging

people for no reason. Like there are a lot of girls, like I noticed, like a lot of like trans women, like they sometimes they do that, like they get mad at a celebrity for sleeping with them or not, whatever the issue is, and then they go all over social media outing them. Like do you think you're gonna get any more clients after that? Nobody's gonna trust you. But I feel like people do because like even like superher about her book, right, people still it was messing with

her after that you know. See, I don't want how to get jammed out, but I'm nosy and I just want to know who. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot of people. Okay, So back to your first assignment. So my first first this older So this older guy. I'm just gonna call him Jim for for all because I can't. It's like older guy can't keep saying like older guys a little bit. So German Jimmy So German Jim. Basically, I was, you know, He's like, I want to tell

you something. I don't want you to judge me. I thought he was gonna tell me had like an STD or something in careable because he made it seem so serious. And I'm like, holy sh it, like what is right now? What's going on? Um? Which I don't judge people for by the way, UM. And I was like, yo, he's about to prut my bag? What's going on? And then he's like, oh, you know, like he started showing me like videos and I'm like, why are we watching this?

And I'm and he's like, because you know this is stuff that I like, this is like the lifestyle I've been in for twenty years. And um, he introduced me to the scene that way, So we went to the first fetish party. Um. Up until that point though, I've been telling him what to do anyway, because I just it was just like he has no he had no backbones. To this day, he still does and I still know him. We still um, he has no backbones. So I just figured he's one of those dudes that's just older and

just maybe lonely or desperate. He's none of those things. I in the office, he's he's they said, those are the people that really liked to higher because they're still used to being in charge. They want to be dominated at times. So what was the first thing you did to him? Um? Like your first initially like, okay, this is look at the face him. I don't know what's happening. So, um, he really likes nipple play, he likes anal play, and

he really really enjoys CBT. CBT is calling Bolt twicture. Um. So I we went to such shop, really well known such shop. UM in l A shout out to Pleasure Chest, which we had that in New York too. They also sponsored my party, so I love them. Shout out to you guys West Village. You know, I love you guys. I've been in Pleasure Chess a few times around where is it. It's just Seventh Avenue in the West Village.

They're awesome, And so we went to the one in l A at this time when I was still over there, and we were like picking out different things, and like, you know, I felt a little weird and also being out in public with him for the first time, because that's actually because people like what's going on here? And I was I looked young. I looked really young, nineteen and you know, a lot of skinn You're also you know,

a young black girl with an older white man. People already have their like give me looks, like we know what you're doing kind of thing. The cops on him, Um, so he were like in the like the section with all the didos on the wall, he goes and picks off the biggest one, and I'm like, a black guy. It was it was, how do you know that big black like this one like this big he's been around for twenty years, twenty years, you know all of that, right, So um, He's like, I want to I want to

use this one. And I'm like at first, and I don't want to look too stupid either because I hadn't I didn't know how to do a lot of this stuff. I take it till you make it. So my maid picked out like different so toys and I was like, oh what about that one. He's like, oh, man, I have that already of my house. We can just use that one. And I like, how much time do you have in your house? And he's like, you'll see what. Um.

So we get back to his house. He had like a whole two playrooms for uh, he has playrooms in his house. It was a really big house, actually very beautiful. Um. And he has two playrooms for one playroom is um design. If his mistress at the time wants to bring other people into the house to play with, then she can pick a room. Okay. So that I thought that was really cool of him. Um, very sweet of him, very sweet. UM. And I've sucked the shot out of him. So was

his asset. It was wide opening ready because he's been used to this because he had a big black dick in him. Um. It actually is not as easy to get in no matter how long you do it, Like the muscles will still go back to try to go back to the way. It's supposed to be. Um, your first time pegging. Oh, that's not pegging. Pegging. That was that was a funk between pegging and for me, pegging is like something Oh we haven't rually here. How convenient.

So I'm like, you brought it here? Of course, what's the sex like we have here? It's like those little things you would hurt in the butt just to get right, just to get used to the dido like a plug, right, you know, like things like that. That's pegging to me, that's a little peg is like you know, the whole decken like a whole film. Wasn't like manual or did you strip one? Um? At first, I didn't manual because I didn't want to do strate. You know the terms

and every time like manual, look at it. You cannot tell me you ain't did know? I watched laporn? Now yeah, you watch it with the value. Oh no, none of that. I've never heard manual before. And now we're about to go take it off automatic put it on. You can't switch it around to both like I put on gloves and like he had to like there's a whole process, right, so it takes like two hours if you're gonna be

thorough about it. To be prepared to do like an fucking for something that big, you gotta get the little ready. You gotta like get an enimal. I was gonna ask you gotta clean so you gave him an enimunt or he did it himself. I'm not doing that. I'm not playing around with ship or anything like that. If I even see it, I'm probably smacking. So nobody asked you the ship on them, asked me to shoot on them. People have asked, but I'm not into the smell. You

fucking some mindy with a big black deil dog. To get prepared. Even now, I would still think like that's a big dick. Have accidents happen, Yeah, that's what happened once, and I beat the ship out of him and he loved it. He loved it. He's been calling ever the way you tell us what happened, I gotta hear this. Oh my gosh, it was horrible. So we met at a hotel. This is somebody that I've actually known for a long time, like they were coming to my parties

for a while. I thought this person was so cool and they were so experienced. They seem knowledgeable about you know, all these things. I said, be ready by the time I get there, because I don't plan on being there for three four hours while you get ready, ready, getting in and the right get it exactly. Get everything together. So when we get there, we can play and I can leave because I want to go home, but I do want to play with you, and I want to take,

you know, time to spend time with you. Blah blah blah. I get there and he's like, I got everything ready. I did everything. I'm like, okay, cool. We start playing and I should you not? Oh my god, hi should you know? Maybe five minutes into it, like I started like smelling stuff because I was I had my okay, I had my hand on his head, I was pulling his hair. I was like grabbing him on the side.

I have like these these claws that you can put on your fingers, so I had him like with my other hand and craw pulling his hair and him at the same time. So then I'm like talking to him. I'm telling him you like this stupid little bit whatever. And then I'm like getting the smell and I'm like, hold on a second, I just I stopped and I let all his hair and then I like pulled out and then he just shipped over. I was like, get guy, so did you bean in a while he was shitty

or did you clean? He clean? So this? Did you be her shitty as? Yes? Yes I do. Okay, So I took this unbuckle the straps on the side. Did you make him eat? I'm not into none of that would have like eat this. I'm kidding. Don't get racist. Okay, do you know I'm talking about two girls? One cup was the two girls and I thought those were they were a wait that shade the weekend ship and he

loved you whatever? No, no, no, it wasn't like it wasn't I should probably shouldn't even be saying, to be honest. It wasn't even like like just how dare you? You're such a That was like, yo, you really fucking ship it on me, like the ship on right? That's not cool. I was so fucking man going here. And he called me afterwards. He sent me tribute, tribute, just like when they send money to like, you know, just make you happy, rightute, I need a tribute? Okay, I know. We never says

I need tribute. Literally, yeah, I hear that, literally tribute. I see these shoes, they look nice. Tribute. I got to start doing that. Sometimes I don't even say the word. It's like I kind of like, kind of like the word tribute. He sent me to two thousand dollars. He was sorry. Um, I told him that I had to do. I threw the entire outfit away. I was so freaking mad, Like he was trying to say sorry, he was like trying whatever. Never played with him again, but I'm still

cool with him. We still friends. Whatever we're talking. You would never seen him again. Hell no, But it's an accident. Though. I told him to get ready before that. He text me he's you know, he was ready. He planned that ship. He literally, yes, he was ready. I want to that. I hope to currently. I want to say forty two to forty five. A couple of them all about to get jobs soon because they're not making me happy? Of them? Do you like fucking ass um It depends. Some of

them are married and their wife knows. Some of them are married, but they say their wife knows. But I think they're lying about that clearly, Like how many women are you know? I'm gonna be like, oh, that's okay. If you see another woman for stuff I can't give you. Um, you like billions, No, I don't. I don't watch much TV.

I lost I lost faith after certain So let's just say that we wanted to have like some of your steps come like intern and run and run and do some stuff first for the service they could you can send them over here and be like, yeah, I need you to go by Angela g and um lurias and bags and stuff we need they need simply leminated. She's like, no,

that's for men. They would also be like kind of like intimidated by all three of you because of like industry people, and these are industry people, make any sense, so they like I have some submissives that are just like Joe Schmo's they like have regular nine to five jobs or whatever, but some of them are not. And those are the people that have the coin to provide.

Can gem and Jim come like is very nice? Also very we are he's very paranoid, right, Okay, I got it all right, So um now let's get some training here because let's just says like the closest I think to being a dumb it might be your partner. I think you're working together. I think you are to be. I really do you have the natural demeanor personality. But I think like in terms of like training somebody that

has untapped potential to be one of the best. I think you have that Mrs Angela talking about I would make him eat the ship. Nobody heard that I would make it. All right, but let's let's let's do some some training. Let's just say, right, for some women out there that are listening, they want to get into the lifestyle. Okay, what what should we start with? Um? Classes learning how to use toys, because if you don't know how to use them and you use them on people, you can

injure somebody really bad. Like, we don't want to interest someone with some CBT, right, so you need to know where to hit. We're not to hit to talk about CBT since all right, let's train us in that first. Okay, so what are some things we need to know about cock and book twitterure. I should have probably about building for this, but um, there's like a whole Dan has one, there's about So let's say this is leiness. Use are the balls? Right? Okay? Oh? This is actually a hood

that fresh you. Oh no, pressure, the pressure? Oh my god. We have some Okay, yeah, he wants to be part of this. Okay, Okay, we're clack and ball. Here we go. Um, so this is the dick, these are the balls, right, So if you're trying to do like any type of domination or something, you can simply tie the rope all around the dick and the balls and make it as tight as possible until it turns purple. I've seen that, and when it's nice, I really I personally enjoy this

because when it's nice and like turning different colors. Um, that's when you can get something like this and starts smacking the ship out of it. It It hurts so much. It's beauty and so much. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. Or you kids, Harry Snacker, Anya, see, I knew it. She does this competition in female domination, there's no woman against woman bullshit. There's none of them.

We like you know how men there's really no conversation with men as certain industries like we can all win together type of ship and with female domination there really it's female supremacy. There really shouldn't be any competition. It's like you're my sister and we're going to dominate him, him, him, and him to get it. So this is really great for female empowerment, double dominatrix, double dom sessions and this.

So I've read articles if I had this can really help women in the workplace as far as it's serting themselves and not taking no ship from anybody at work. I've had to use that tactic a couple of times at different places that I've worked or um, you know, running a business or kind of like doing my own thing, like uh yeah, holding myself accountable for my own my own winnings and failings and life. Um, if you're gonna dominate somebody else, you have to dominate your own life first.

You have to kind of take control of your surroundings who you're friends with, and say this person is not good for me, this person is good for me, this person is negative and they're bringing me down. Or you know, I can eliminate the negative, embrace the positive, speak positive affirmations to myself every day, Um, make myself better, and then I have the right to dominate somebody else because they believe me. Now, that's a heart that as a

daminated genes supposed to sleep with your selves. Is that true, it's not. It's not a good idea to sleep. It's not because a lot of women I believe in my personal opinion, right, and I know a lot of feminists. You know, they probably like to come for people that say things like this, But your vagina holds a lot of power in this world as much as people like to say. And this is no disrespect to any trans woman out there that doesn't have a vagina. It does not.

What I'm saying does not take away from you being a woman at all. Okay, what I'm saying is like for sis gendered women, having a vagina is powerful for us, and in this world, they take that away from us. They say that doesn't make you proberful, makes you weak. Oh, don't be a pussy. Uh, don't you know you're acting like a little girl. They always everything that with us is always run by like weak um submission and yeah, it's always like something very like you know, they talk

about like meat us emasculated member. They emasculate us all the time. They put us down all the time. You know. The girls been like secon night dick. Yeah, to have me to feel like they have more power, that's like, that's right, there, you know, and so like, I feel like when you sleep with a man and you just give him that power, you kind of lose some of it.

I feel like, if you're going to sleep with someone, let it be because they have proved to you that they are worthy of it, If that makes any sense. I'm not saying like on some Christian ship like only don't sleep with a man because it makes you dirty. Has nothing to do with that. I don't believe women that sleep around or dirty at all. I know, um, I believe um. But you know, if you you know, whatever you want to do with your body is your decision, is your choice. If you want to a hundred guys

in one night, be safe about it. Yeah, But does that make her a dirty or slut? I don't think so. Not my opinion, I'm not I'm not gonna judge. I don't know. But she has a lot. It's like getting his book a world record, and she's probably really good at what she does because they all come to her for if she's such a whole, why they why they sleep with her? Right? If she's so dirty? Yes, what do you? What do you? So? The thing is like, I wouldn't judge her for like being a whore or slurt.

I would judge her because she's not holding herself to a higher standard. She's not looking at herself and be like, I'm worth more than this to just pass myself around to everybody. I've realized that, Like, and you know, I don't know any dumb that would say, you know, I never slept with this submissive. That's not true. I know plenty of times to sleep with selbs. They just stick around long after that because you gave him everything. I've been with German Gym since I was nineteen and never

fucked him. We've never fucked and he's still around and he's never gonna have sex with me. He knows that he will be on his deathbed begging for vagina from me and we'll never get it. He smile at him and close his eye lids for him at least on the well that's two inch, no two inches. And that's another thing right there, serves up when you talk about how little there dick is and like you rate them yea, and the humiliation a little button. Do you do have

the humiliation? I do that if we like, if we negotiate, like I just said, let me if we do that like um. If we do that, like you know, like um, like we agree on that, then that's totally fun. If we agree that public umulation is that thing, that's really fine. Like for example, German Gen he's a CEO of a company. He don't want that of a well known talent agency. He's not gonna want to do public umulation because at his job and to his peers, he is the man.

When people see me with him, they just think, oh, she's a long term sugar baby slash girlfriend, slash whatever she is. But in public he always has to appear like he has control. But behind closed doors we all know it's a different story. Right. See we over here giving away public humulation for free. When we argue what I mean, we could be getting paid for We could be getting paid for that saying very quiet, I don't argue with people. So do you have to work or

is this just yet full time? This is work? Yeah? That yeah dungeon? Okay, so how do people like find your dungeon? Like, how do they know that you have this place where they can how can they contact you? Um? So there's my aunties are very limited when it comes to things like this because I know people are trying to figure out how can we find Venus Cup, how can we get involved? I mean I have an Instagram. I teach classes all around the city. I host events

all around the city. We should go to the class. Oh yeah, that that's a good idea. UM. I have like a lot of industry. I have. I teach a lot of like you know, older white women on the Upper West Side as well, Like I go to their house and I give them like class on how to spice up their sex life using like household items, using like belts, cooking spoons and all of that play with that's why you can't eat people. I wouldn't recommend that.

I'm just gonna go ahead and base this. Chicken and is another one that people underestimate, not just for blow jobs, but like for for domination purposes. Running ice along somebody's skin. The sensation of that feels really good. Um, using the tip of your nails to lightly run over someone's skin, it feels really good. Like things like that are really cool. Now, let's talking about finances, right because I know it can vary, like as much as how much do you charge per hours?

So just give us a range, you know, like if people were getting started, how much would you recommend? Okay, let's just say you're new at this, how much? So you don't undersell yourself. So what I am going to say is that I used to be there's like a difference between lifestyle dom and professional dom. Professional JOm is like the people you see the dungeons charging per hour. Lifestyle didn't cuss money. The dungeon cos money. Um. Lifestyle people that just do it because that's who they are.

I'm both more was both. I'll say that um and um. So what's up? I rs so? But the advice I would give someone because I used to be a dominatrix is, uh, don't undersell yourself. So if like someone, a client comes to you and says, I want to have a session with you for eighty dollars an hour or a hundred dollars an hour, you know, even though you feel like you're not gonna get any other sessions after that, or you loan money to turn that shut down, turn that down.

So what should be the minimum? I mean when I first started, I started out in a dungeon in l a UM and I'm not gonna mention it because I don't have the permission to mention it. I don't. I don't know if you're gonna feel weird, but it was to fifty an hour, So that's like the that's I think that's like more the standard, right. And as you get more um into the lifestyle and you have more clients and you become more exclusive and you can charge more.

But I wouldn't recommend like just jump in a six hundred an hour and you just started like, that's that's crazy. What's the most popular service that people ask for? Antal play? Antal play? You know, pleasure, mind banking, venus cup and manipple play, bare hand uh, spankings and face slapping, face slapping? What's two fifty? Excuse me, Tom's fourteen? You think about somebody for fourteen and what I'm gonna end up with as session? You would never charge to fifty for an

anal session. I don't listen hypothetically trying to pay out hypothetically speaking, I would charge four. Okay, so four I would never charge that's almost six. Thus, when al was like the base of everything, that's almost six thousand. Fifth, get you in the door, to get you in the door, that's time you can you can kiss my feet. You can crawl on the floor. I'm gonna scream with you. I'll call your names, right, I'll flog you, you know all the all the stars. Is this a flog? That

is a flogger? Okay, I've never heard of that. Tell me was this flog flog? I'm my nub. I would probably need to demonstrate this. Come on, when are you guys? Lother flogs don't have to put the camera now like you've been on camera the cameration I doesn't have doing his job because he needs to be displayed because he wasn't bad boy. Come on, let's get a life flogging everyone. You agree to a life flogging earlier? Hard you're come on, I have to say something. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

I'm the prime clients, uh I was. If you're gonna session with anybody or play with anyone, consent is the key. That is what differences me between everyone else in the b d S. I'm scene because a lot of them are consent virulators. They don't get people's consent before they do stuff, which is totally fine. I'm not one of those bitches. I don't believe in that ship. To me, that's rape. On on some kind of level. You don't must consent. I don't want to just sorry, I'll get

over here and get fla. It's okay to rape yea? Does you ever say okay? Okay? Flagging g is right now? No, she's more of a dom to me, you're more redmant me with you. I can't tell you d like whatever that is. I don't want to put you on the spot in the bedroom. Does the man take controller? Do you me in the bedroom? Yeah? It depends. I'll let him if I felt like letting him. But when I'm ready to do it, I'll do it. Okay, that then you're what we call a switch dom. A switch and

a switch can go that. I'm definitely see both. I'm telling you this both, Larry. I'll have cried during sex. I've never done that. Like you guys are like like a tear just that's a sub. That's sub ship crying, not crying like it's like it's like it just feels so bawling, but crying over what the dick is? It feels good. I told you she's a sub. Amazing, it feels good the dick like not every day, No, it's not every every day this was a hell of a dick.

I mean, I've had amazing sexual experiences with with penis involved, and I've never felt that strongly. But I was like like Michael John and emotional when I cried, and another time it was break up, make up sex. Don't you feel like? We keep writing? So, who wants to get flogged? He's standing? Yes, these are the subding they cried during where c come on? She said, children, Yeah, go ahead do it. No, No, we should be long. It should

have somebody should have got flogged direct, I really do. Okay, I think one of the guys should be flogged. I told you that's what it's supposed to be, life flogged in a life flog. Hold on, Hold on a second. So you mean to tell me that none of you have ever thought about a woman dominating? You never wanted a woman on top? Which Buddha, which cheer man? Okay, I'm deaf out the next because a woman being on top as a part of I gotta see him what a flog is. But he's just a minute that he

would that he has. All right, So let's talk about other things that that's on the menu. Right, So if people want to how are your dominatrix. What are some other popular things that you do? What about fisting? Come get flog, Buddha, come in here a light time. It's a light flog. No, no, don't tell him what it's for. Just tell him to come in. It's not funny. I'm there serious, I want you to put too much? All right, so let's continue while we wait for him to I'm

not doing the funny ship. No, it's not. It's nothing funny about this. I do a lot of like face slapping speaking, I do a lot of demos and classes also so people know how do you use stuff like how do you use the bell? How to do some choking if you want to choke someone during sex, because that's like really dangerous. What's the safety way? Like, oh, because we had that, yes, absolutely, that's a part of negotiations,

um and consent. So in order to know that somebody is having it, that it's too much him, don't warn him. In orted to know if it's too much or too little whatever, then they have to establish the safety word. And you know that's not neighbor produced a Buddha. Hey, budd we need you to demonstrate something now, Hello to venus A have you done this before? He doesn't know what he's doing, but just want to give you a life flogging life flogging. Yeah, it's like jogging, but with

fl So come on, we want to demonstrate. What does he have to do? He puts up up. Come on, Notice that there's no eye contact anymore. Um. Yeah, I'm just a normal whom you being that likes flogging people. So this is a pay for this, by the way, you can touch the people. Pay for this. Yes, I'm getting okay, just can you just be open my note with me, just to touch it, hold it. Okay. So this is just that's a flogger and I'm just going to be it feels nice and let us go. So

fucking you lightly with it your back? Okay, you're on. That's your your army can be your back. Yeah. But or budded, what's your food? Are you perfect? What's your safety word? What's your what's safe? If you're if you're tired, or you don't want to do it anymore. That's that's two words. You gotta that's a terrible word. That's that's a good one. No, no, because you could be saying that. I mean, yes, that's true too. But if he's saying

that that's the safe word for his scene, then don't worry. Yeah, you can't give him a safe work and let him have his own. How about baseball because you want to say baseball? I think that was a good one. Yeah, okay, alright, go ahead, I need space. Alright, Well back down, don't you worry. I'm a table. Can I do it on your chat? Yeah? Cha chess? Okay, take that hoodie? Can you stand against the walls of Okay, and I'm on the wall. We like it on the on the wall.

Get it on the wall. Where is my phone from the windows and want to hear you scream. He's not gonna scream. His brand, his brand and also like his manhood and everything else whatever it is the element of surprise. Yeah one, my flag, my flag. Um, I want you. You need to trust me. I know it's weird, you know, but I'm really not like I'm not gonna just flash up and just start Okay, just thank you, so like hold your head off, not okay, hardy, Yeah, he's got it.

You got this, Buddha. Whoa shut the funk up? Your keep your mouth shut the fuck up. Well, I'm you keep your head off, right, So how am I supposed to, like, you know, just talking to him your face the episode? Okay, yeah, I love it. Yes, I'm been joining this. Thank you, you're so sweet. How do your nipples feel? You? He did this for the girls. Nipples are tingling, he said, tingling. He likes this just yeah, this is four of No.

You gotta pa all right, you gotta pay already do that? Yeah, well, thank you for to be appreciate you for me, Like you think they give him some ice for the nipples? Whoa four hundred off take a person to shoot on you? So what do you think me take a shut on me? He was? He would he like he's doing that. He liked it, and he was trying to protect himself because everyone was in the room, especially other men. If there was just all women in here, I think that reaction

would have been different. You think he would have started moaning. I think it a bit pants off, But I think in the middle of sucks, right before he's about to like stick it in. If you say listen, this is what gets me off. I want to flog you and thank you. He was down for ye. Now that ship you was doing was looking like some what you called, I was trying to figure it out. He's saying, they're trying to laugh. But then when he like put his head back and closed his eyes, his breathing slowed down.

He was like relaxing. Next dep CDT baby. Probably I don't know about one. He looks like he will knock you out. Do you have any winning kinds? Have a lot a lot of queer women, a lot of lesbian women. M Hm, what did they know him? And so what's their tap request? It's usually to play out submissive fantasy,

uh scenarios. So like a lot of the women that I sessioned with are actually dominant also, and in like normal day to day life, they have like really good jobs or managers or uh, they just like run their family, they run their husbands, and they kind of just want another woman because they can't submit to a man for some reason. They need another woman to kind of level them, ground them a little velp level up. How did that

sex though? Like you can you can ask sex with the woman though, right, because it's not the same kind of thing. No same rules applied. The rules applied the bard with women. Actually the rule is ten times more effectively. Yeah, why do you think that is I think women. Yes, women love differently than men. Men are more logical lovers if something doesn't make sense them or if the love doesn't make sense and they go all cheat, they do

things like stupid ship because like everything's here. For women, everything's here. If it's like it's like I don't know why I like you, but I do, so let's get married. You know, like men are just like, huh, if I marry her she has no money and debt, I start thinking too much about it um, which I think makes men really good partners if you want to build a business or something, because they're really good at that stuff um. And it makes women really good at being able to

expand because they're really good with stuff here. So they know like the ethics of a company. They know how to um connect to different people. They know how to communicate with different people on a level that they understand. So for different reasons, both are equally valuable. But I prefer sessions with submissive men. Now when it comes to relationships, right, are you with a man who submissive or do you feel like in a relationship you leave all that out? No,

I don't just leave at all. I tried to leave it out at one point, and um, I almost went to jail. Um in again, No, it doesn't know, it doesn't even though jail and black ink seems to go hand and hand. Um. Yeah, but no, I'm not talking about them. It was like, you know, I was with someone you know for a very long time, UM, and they were very like macho and headstrong, and like I'm the man and I wear the pants and you're the woman, so you should be home doing this, this and this.

And I'm not built like that. I was never built like that. So I don't come from I don't even come from a family where the women are built like that. Like my aunt UM shout out to my aunt sil as high school. That's not my um. She's the strongest Dominican woman that I know, the strongest Dominican woman I know. She stays at home and she wants the household. And he goes and my uncle um Omar goes out of work, but he listen to everything that she says. Did your

family know what you do? Like everybody my mother Ron, they know what I do. I'm very I'm very open and honest because they were going to find out anyway, why I don't want to hurt people that I care about by letting them find out by looking at the New York Post or something like that. We're looking on Vice TV or something and seeing me like doing stuff or like just anything black and keep it real baby watching. I mean, yeah, I was. I actually had a party on black ink and I was in my dom gear

as well. And you know, so what happened with black ink? What can you tell us without really know that? They owe me money? And you ever seen somebody like going around like flawsing like new cars open. You know, he's opening shops in different states. You ever seen like people? But even if you don't care, if you buy a stick of gum and you owe me money, where's my money? And it's not? It's not. And I want to see black men win, you know what I mean? You know,

I want to see black boy joy. I'd like to see black men smile. I love to see black men like build and own things because you know, society has like cards stacked against us. You know that ship is so real. But if you're gonna be a black business owner, you got to respect your own people. If you won't respect as a black man, you can't down a black woman or not pay her. That's what he did to me.

I don't respect that ship. That's great. How do I tell you how much is the old like over twenty people that file things against him, let's talk about that ship. I gotta do some research. There's a lot of people money. But the thing is like the thing is like the six I'm gonna be honest because again, I don't just like bashing people, you know what I mean. I'm gonna be fair and I'm not gonna just stack cards against him.

I don't think some of the promises that were made by some of his staff or managers, even his own assistant or whatever, I don't think he knows about some of them. So I think he he yeah, he owes people money. You know. There's a former employee that explained her situation to me because she wants to file some ship. I said, I don't know about that because it just

sounds the story sounds funny. But her story is that she had an agreement with one of the managers, and he's on the show, that she had an agreement with what the manager of the shop he said he would pay her. Caesar knew nothing about it because he was traveling and doing all this other stuff, and now she wants to bring suit against the shop. Caesar, she admitted did not know about that. So I don't think it's fair to say that it's just Caesar. I think everybody

has to be accountable though. But but if you own a company, is good that you have good communications, so only you know what's going on, right, you know what I mean? And that still falls on season because if you have, you know, agreements with different people, you know, I'm gonna pay you this. I'm gonna pay you this, if you build this website, I'm gonna pay you this. If you fix the ceiling because there's a leak, I'm gonna pay you this. And then you start not paying people,

you're gonna piss a lot of people. All a lot of comes out of time. Then it comes out and it comes out, and people are not going to just sit by like myself and just be quiet about it anymore. He just flogging. That costs money too, though, he would have to pay just like yes, you know, my my mond. Is there anything anybody has asked you to do Venus that you've said no, Like, give me some examples of what you would you not? Wait, I know, you don't like to shoot on people. I don't like to stick

a shot on people. What about peeing? Um? Yes, okay, so you're peeing on someone? All right? So whatever here? What I want? What I want to do? Um? I don't know. I'm was the overall like just purv and freak. And when I say, would you face somebody in the ask what I was this? Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's fun sometimes when you can you get it all the way to the elbow. Ever, yea, that doesn't. I've had

like whole like tea parties and parties. You know. It's I've had parties excuse me, just for like other women and like you know, a bunch of girls show up and then there's a guy there. We just all like kind of just like you know, just but it's conspsual what he wanted. He wants like a bunch of women's attention, and so we put him in the middle room as a centerpiece. He gets all of our drinks. Then you've got another submissive kind of like doing given everyone massages

those kind of things. Has anyone ever had to go to the hospital? Why I burping so much? What's going on here? Have I ever send anybody to the hospital. No, actually, those burps. Actually I just lost money because because you know, somebody would have paid for me to burp in their faces for free. I can't make myself so wait, somebody's tour in their face? Yeah, far in their face and everything. You know, how can you make yourself art? What if he started? What if he started by accident? What if

I started by accidents? That would be his pro He'd probably be like I pay extra s on somebody before she started. But you know, there's due to remnants. And when you fart, oh, don't tell. I can't make myself farts either. Sometimes I can't make myself not fart. What about ball bust things? Because I have this guy. It has to be one guy that just makes mad different profiles because I don't believe everybody. Yeah, I responded to

him for you, She responded to him. He makes all these different what he talks about ball bust thing, He sends me pictures, he makes different names on Snapchat, I g everything. He's like, wherery? How please? I just want you to bust my balls? What the fuck is ball bust thing? And why won't he leave me alone? Ball busting is basically kicking some and the nuts over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until you can't take it anymore. Why does

he want that? You want to pay you to do it? Because I'm gonna explain CBT and ball busting and all that with the genitals for for a lot of assists men, right, So for a lot of men, they are told their power is rooted in their genitals. Because I have a dick, and because I have balls, I am more powerful than you or you you know what I mean. That's what they say, he's got some balls and you know what I mean. Um, you know those those kind of like

you know comments, they came from somewhere, you know. So they when they know their power is rooted in their balls, and they want to give their power to let's say you or you or whatever, they want you to abuse that. They want you to attack their power because they don't want it anymore. It's also a pressure if you are told your whole life you've got to be the head

of household, you gotta be the head of this. But in in your mind and your spirit, you're like, no, I kind of just want like a girl that's like more like stronger than me or like more powerful to me. It's like I want to give you like all my power and I need to prove to you and make you feel secure that I'm not just here to like take from you. So like, yeah, punch me the balls, like do whatever you want to credit card you ain't got.

That's power right there. You're giving me control all your money. That's different. I don't want to have to kick some my in the balls over and over and over. What if they were paying over, I'll take it. He's fine, what's your budget? Yo? We said our kind of ship

to him and he just won't go. But aside aside from just like transactional like with money, right, what if this was your boyfriend you were together like four or five, six years, and he one day says, oh, baby, I'm interested in, like, you know, kicking me in the balls. I don't know. I think that would local tell me off. See I can't understand doing it for like a job. But like me looking at him, like, yeah, this is

really the guy that I'm wearing. He wants me to keep kicking him in the balls today break like no, I got nobody said that because jail you know, yeah, but if you do it even once, it hurt's really bad. So I can only imagine if you keep doing it over and over, and like, I don't want to break the dick that I want to suck later. I suck later, Like that's what you're supposed to do, break it and then nurse it back to him. That's hilarious. I mean, I think, I don't know, I think like stuff like

that actually turns me on. Yeah, I like I like seeing a man being able to be secure enough as a man in his masculinity to give his power over to me. Have you ever tied somebody's balls in a nut or something like that? And not? I haven't had anyone's balls long enough to be able to do it. If I could, what if I could? Was the smallest stick you've ever seen. Oh my gosh, there was one that didn't even like come out of It was like a belly button. It was like a belly button. It

was like a little belly bud. And she was hard and I actually and he when he came and shot out so far and I'm like, you have nothing there on probably got more than him. Yeah. Our friend Kelly, she has a big clip that's like he did any of yourselfs have is like any of the women have like a big clip, like any of the women that you, yeah, that you dominate that you were like, wait a minute, it's a Do you find that most of your clients have small dicks? No, because I kind of think that

maybe like little dick guys like that. A lot of them have big dicks. Wow, b d E, big dick energy, a lot of big black dicks, a lot of big rich black for blacks rappers, a lot of young money black dicks. Okay, well right right there. Nice for what you'll be surprised. It's probably who you're thinking. I know, he doing something too, got to be Oh, we don't want to know smoke. That's crazy look at too and all right? So what else about black ink? Is that

all results? Like are you in the passage of resolving that? Are you seeing what's happening? I'm not going to comment too much about like the actions that I'm taking. What I will say is that you go around doing a lot of really nasty things to people not paying them. Um, there was another situation that happened when I was there. Um, so the t it's a lot of tea behind. Like a lot of this filming ship right reality for the

most part, A lot of it's not not real. I think, like most people know that, but the public, for some reason, they still believe. You know that a lot of people believe this ship is like real, it's like everything. Whatever I think I remember, correct me if I'm wrong. I could be wrong. There was a situation between you and someone else over their lyrics about light skin is better. You talked about colorism, and I actually commend you for

doing that. Okay, So I think there aren't enough people that are in possessions of power that corrects other black people when they are colorist, you know what I mean when this colorism happening. And that's basically what happened to me. I was told I'm too fat and I'm too dark skinned to be on black ink, and the only person hold on, the only person that stood up for me was Duchess. She's the only one. She went off on

production for three days straight. She's the only one. And everybody heard it or heard about it if they weren't there that day during filming, and they did nothing. Production apologized to me. They tried to make it right because I actually recorded it. Wait, somebody really said that you were too dyed skin and too big, but I was too fat and kid. No offense to Kid, I like it, no offense to her again. If she takes us left, then I'll go with you. But Kit was my replacement

on the show. Kit was supposed to be the more attractive, lighter skinned version of me to be on the show. So you were supposed to be a regular. I was. I was the regular. I was the person working every day doing what Kid was doing a little bit more because I was actually a manager, but I was the person doing all of that, and they I was just basically told like, she has a better body, better phase, and she's lighter skin, and she's gonna appeal to more people.

And they told me, don't take it personal. To be honest, at the time, I kind of did, because how do you tell someone that without them being like And I was like, you know what it is, what it is like at the end of the day, I'm not happy here anyway, so I know, like, eventually I'm not gonna want to be here, so let me just stick this out. I was in my last year of college at that time, so I'm like Okay, um, let me just finish college.

Let me finish paying off these some of these some of this debt with his money that they say they're gonna give me and get the funk up out of here because they're on some bullshit right now. Um. And I spoke to see me and the other manager at the time, which it's a lot of tea with him too. But he is not as bad of a person as I thought he was because he's put a lot of his staff against each other. It was, it was. It was a really crazy work environment, especially with the filming,

and they want certain things for like entertainment purposes. What do you want to see happened? Um? I want him to apologize to me. I really do. Sometimes, like sometimes just acknowledging the hurt that you call somebody else is enough. Like I said, I don't like dragging people. It's not in my nature. It's not in my nature to just be like, oh, Caesar, Caesar, Caesar, just for like any

kind of come up. But if you constantly hurt somebody and they run around on the streets talking about, oh, she lied about somewhere that she worked before, and that's why we fired her. She lied about who she was, and that's why we fired her. The only reason I got fired from that job is because I asked for the money that they owed me, and then I got fired two days later. That's what happened. If he wants

to be real about it. And then it was a big deal, you know, production trying to get me, you know out of there too, because I told him I recorded everything that that was said to me. You can't say you still have that. That's about to be the

whole case. Are you taking as it didn't? After you make all your money, it's how to make her yourself even more to that, it's even more to that, but some of it is it's important, uh info that I can't share yet, but I will wonder when when it's actually in a couple give it like two months is going to be done. Good for you. But you make it way more money now than you would have their O. You're kidding me, Like nobody makes money there. He takes

all the money for everybody, even the artist. God damn. All right, so financially you are set straight. I'm good, but I still want the money and work for a bunch of submissives that's doing everything she needed. So what's the ain't how it's not gonna you see yourself doing this like you could do this father. Um, I can see myself having like submissives for a long time. I can see myself like always being served by somebody because

I'm used to it now. I think like at a certain point when like it's been this is, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna be twenty eight. You know what I mean. I've been doing this since I was nine teen years old. I've been having men in and out of my life doing things for me, picking me up, like I said, doing my laundry, cooking for me, you know, sweeping, you know, on their hands and knees, making them scrub toilets with tooth brushes, and ship damn you can they kind of

my house? How does your relationship said? Then my relationships? I think I'm gonna be honest. I do think being a dominatrix and being like a dom has changed my relationships and both in a way. It's harder for me to find relationships that I take serious. And that's only because when I meet men that bring nothing to the table but expect the woman to have everything set. I

don't respect them. It's like they want the woman and oh you got your finances to the other to make sure you got your own money, because I don't want to spend all my money. If we're going to day, if we're going to date, we gotta go Dutch. But then when you look at the men and what he's actually bringing to the table, that means something as opposed to the life that I live where I'm have men just giving me stuff and doing things for me because I'm a woman and I just exist. I kind of

look at these men like why are you here? Like what are you doing? So if you met a guy that completely swept you off your feet and was able to provide all the things that your subs did, that he told you that he wanted you to stop with all of your subs, you stop because he couldn't take care of her. That ain't like she got to do it,

and then he would have to be myself too. No shade, If you're gonna tell me to give get rid of the whole life that I had when you met me that way, then you better be able to match all of it. If he can match all every thing, I will give it up. Why not you know, I'm not going to be like a hundred years old doing this.

Have you ever fell in love with one of your sins? Yes, and what happened and we live together and it was very very nice until he realized that he was more of a dumb actually, and um, it wasn't for him. We're still friends to this day. He still comes to my events, he still supports me. Um, he promote some of my events with me. You. Um, so we have a really good relationship. Did they get jealous of each other like the su Yeah, that's actually good question, excited

out glad it does. And like what do they have other domes? It's just one domb. So my every dom has like their own protocol what we call or rules. My protocol is, if you're serving me, you're only serving me. I don't want to share my time with other doms, you know, share you with other doms unless I explicitly say I want to give I want to. We have like a little program where we lend out subs to other women. So if you need your house cleaned, I need to people to clean my house. I got something

going on, have a photo shoot. Hey listen, sub number one singer too. I can show you right on my phone. I need I need to have better than donkeys and monkeys? Can they come fix the at any specialists in there? Sosta I'll call. I'll call slave Jock, slave Jack. Remember the difference between like a slave and a slave to say. They can't say no because we still have laws, right, but he should. I learned so much today, so I'll be like, hey Jack, get your ass over here. I

got something, I got stuff I want to do. I got you know, things need to be swept. Listen, I'm my worn't kind of to do. We'll leave. Yeah, let me go get this fabbie. No, you pick up the fabil though, so your dad tell him the lea, how are you gonna pay you if you don't got no job? Figure it out? Some problem? Problem about I got to go, And that's the Let me say this. I'm not just like telling people to quit their jobs and get fired and stuff. When we have like when I said, the negotiations,

we talked about all of that. When are you available? But what hours? And what hours? If you exactly? So if I say you know, when are you available, and you tell me between five pm and ten pm, and I call you as six pm you better be ready. And if you say, oh, I had I have to do something. I have to do something for my you know, I gotta something, want time for myself. You don't have time for yourself. This is what you told me. Yeah, I said you were available. You know me. I'm not

even going into a whole argument. I don't argue with my slaves at all. I don't argue with none of that. I hear you. Listen, I said what I said. Either you're gonna come or you're gonna get replaced. Damn Okay, mistress, I'm on my way. Thank you. If you're not, I really can't make it. I'm so sorry. Great, find another mistress, hang up on them. Yeah, and then I find another one. Who else? Need a damn house clean? I know? Motherfucker's better start calling me mistress easy because it had some

of the slaves. Can't help you move goddess like that talked about one beautiful one. Oh my god, what if we had some of the steps work at the juice by yes, let's have that. We don't gotta pay that, you know, the juice by hat, the juice by bro oh common clean. We had some things that he fixing. Let them. Let them come of them clean. They's gonna be handy. Let them hand out flyers. Also, yes, were a little Colorado can give out samples in the front,

can you imagine? Yes? All right, well listen, Venus, We thank you so much for coming through. This is very eye opening and educational. I know Buddha's about to go request some ship the studio. You on Instagram, Oh, on Instagram, I'm spread Entertainment Events. Or you can just type in Venus cuffs and I'll pop up that literally, Venus cuffs. Venus. Alright, Venus, thank you so much. We're gonna follow up with you two and find out what happens with you get your

money from Black Ink. Yeah they need to start pay. Yeah, alright, let service