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I love comics.
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And welcome to.
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Another episode of and This is why I love.
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Amex, I am. Andy. I'm here with co-host Mike.
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Yep, I've returned once.
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More and as our new tradition is, we have another co-host and we're going to call all our co-host Matt. This one actually has the name Matt, but you know, since our previous Matt, it's a different Matt. Let's see. Not to complicate things here, but the first Matt was Matt.
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And then this mat is.
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Matt, so Matt's here.
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Hello, Matt.
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And we're going to talk about something. I thought Matt was an expert at. You know, we'll find out if that's true or not, but we're going to talk about what, what originally, what I thought we were going to talk about was superhero movies, but I think I said Marvel movies to Matt. So is that true, Matt?
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That is, I mean you can, you can go with the other movies too. I do love.
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OK.
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All superhero movies, unless she gets into some strange.
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Old ones I might not old know them.
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There's the Dolph Lundgren.
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Punisher, right. That's pretty good. And we'll stick with Marvel movies. Maybe. Maybe we'll chat about some of the DC ones or some of the independent ones if we have time, but let's stick with marble just because and that'll limit us a little bit.
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And maybe focus a little more on some of those rather than spread it out. Let's see as our tradition, since we've had only one other guest, but it's become a tradition. Now that I say this since the podcast is called.
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And This is why I love comics. Not, and This is why I love movies, I have to ask you one comic question first. Matt, did you? You collected comics at some point, right?
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OK.
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Yes, I have. I have.
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Because because I think we met you and my wife bought some comics at your garage sale. I think that was near the beginning of our friendship and pre. Yeah, that was pre Keebler elf. And so I know you had comics. Do you still collect comics?
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Pretty Keebler off, yeah.
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I do not the last comments. The last comments I collected were Star Wars comics, and I did finally get rid of them as well.
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Aye, OK, he's off the podcast. That's right.
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He done grown up.
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That's right. Well, thanks for showing up for the podcast and.
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See you.
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Later, yeah.
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Yep. Now let's bring in the next Matt.
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Right. What? What got you into comics to begin with?
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Do you remember?
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UM.
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Was it Star Wars?
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Not really. I mean when I.
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First started it was.
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Probably back in elementary school with one of our other friends, Eric he he was huge into comics, still is, and he kind of got me into it. So I started off with like Ultimate Spiderman.
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And just kind of moved in from there, didn't.
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Read a ton of it.
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Not huge into reading it, it was just really more for the collecting.
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OK.
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But yeah, that's kind of where I was at. It was it was more for collecting and possibly turning it into a profit later, but that didn't turn.
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Out either.
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Well, that was, that's all I needed to ask about comics. Now we can talk about movies.
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We've got that formality out of the way.
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Right. Yeah. I gotta I gotta stick with the rules of this podcast, you know? Yeah.
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You have passed the.
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Gauntlet. Right. OK, Marvel movies. I wrote down a bunch of questions. I thought it might generate some conversation here. I guess the easiest one to start with would probably be. So there's been 25 Marvel movies, I think 26, maybe 25. Which one?
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Is your favorite. Ohh well.
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There is a lot of and we're we're sticking with MCU stuff like right now that's.
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Toby McGuire, spiderman's dad.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah, let's state.
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Matt Salinger's Captain America from the 90s with the big rubber ears.
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Right, yes, right.
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Yeah, let's stick with the current universe of.
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It all right? Perfect.
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The fagi.
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That, yes, the Peggy era.
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Feige. OK. I probably have to go with Thor Ragnarok. A lot of action. Good comedy.
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Hike up.
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Made a great movie song.
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For me was a struggle because I really wanted it to not be a comedy.
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OK.
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And then it was a comedy, and I and I, while I enjoyed myself like my main reason for liking a movie, is did I enjoy myself? OK, great. Then it was a good movie. You know, if I hated it or I hated a lot of it, then it wasn't a bad there. It wasn't a good movie to me. So I love. I like sore Ragnarok and it's. It's in my upper tier of it. I just.
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Couldn't love it because I wanted it to be serious and it took me a while to fall in love with it, realizing.
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That it was a it was a comedy buddy movie and then I accepted it for what it was. You know what I mean? Like, I just until I realized it was a buddy movie with the Hulk and Thor. And then and then I went. Ohh. I get it now I'm stupid. It's a really good.
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Movie. So you're basically saying that.
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It stole the plot from Turner and.
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Hooch. Turner. Hooch. Lethal weapon. You know all those good buddy movies, Mike.
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What's your favorite movie? It's.
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Gotta be The Winter Soldier, Captain America Winter Soldier, I think because it was one that again talking about.
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Robert, I've heard from a previous.
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The the There was an element of spy, there's an element of intrigue. There was, you know, the betrayals bringing back a Bucky in this, you know, for those who had read comics, that was kind of a pivotal moment of seeing, like, oh, here's The Winter Soldier in, you know, live action. So there's a lot that.
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Really played off in that one. Acting was pretty spot on the characters. You know, it was a it was a tight knit one. It didn't feel like.
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It was this.
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While it did, you know, span the globe and it had a lot of other story elements to it.
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It still kept the focus on Captain America.
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OK, I that's my favorite movie too. Is The Winter Soldier. For me it was spy movie that also had superhero elements to it. And for me, that's what I really liked about it. Was it it wasn't a superhero movie, it was a spy movie with Captain America and that I like. That's the kind of comics I kind of like and.
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When he's, you know, he's running from the law, had Black Widow had introduced the Falcon, you know, had a lot going on and.
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Didn't feel like it was heavy-handed with the the introductions of all these characters, right? You know, they they.
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Leveraged well and they didn't feel like, you know, let's just throw everybody at it and we're just going to give you like 2 seconds to get an idea of who this person is and.
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Then moving on to the next person.
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So that definitely my favorite of the group. To what? See we did favorite movie. What's what's the one that least impacted you least favorites perhaps you didn't like the character?
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Yeah, that so much so that I haven't even seen it is Captain Marvel Zero interested in watching that movie?
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Well, you haven't seen it, so that doesn't.
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Count the character. Just. I don't know, it's just not going to all Mary Sue on it, but just it just doesn't seem to be anything to the character. You know, there's not personal dilemmas, there's not struggles. You know, it just seems like, wow, I've got amazing cosmic powers. I can do whatever I want.
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And then there's no.
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Right.
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Oh, I was going to say, you know, sustaining interest is that the struggle?
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For you? Yeah. I mean, it's like I got Disney plus and it's so it.
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Means it's free.
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And even then, I'm like no thanks.
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Right, Matt?
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What's your least favorite?
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The one that I would probably go to the least would probably be Iron Man.
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Three, OK. Just I knew Iron Man would be in there.
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It would either be Iron Man 3 or Thor Dark World, but at least Dark World has more of a.
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Impactful moment now with the end game in there so.
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Right. Yeah, the end game really boosted that movie up a bit. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what Iron Man two was even about. Was that whiplash?
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Yeah, yeah, two was.
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Slash yeah.
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That's probably my least favorite.
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Sam Rockwell does an amazing job in it, but he's on his own. It's not enough to carry the movie. Mickey Rourke's whiplash was.
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I don't know if the accent was what threw it off, but you know some people it was almost on the level of **** *** Dyke's cockney accent of like, oh, this is just painful to listen to.
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Right.
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It's that bad.
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Probably. I I'm surprised nobody said the Incredible Hulk. But.
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OK.
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I I actually like that.
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One see, I read that everybody kind of hates that movie at that in Captain Marvel so, but for me I actually like the Incredible Hulk and I am like my next question would have been which actor do you dislike? And that would be Mark Ruffalo. Like I can't.
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Ohh yeah yeah.
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I can't stand my Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk's banner. I like. I don't mind the Hulk version when he's the Hulk, but Mark Ruffalo does nothing for me. He's not a Bruce banner to me. I like Ed Norton. He actually.
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Showed some talent and for me, if if there's a failure of any of the Marvel movies, it's based on the Hulk. But I just. I just hate everything they ever did to him except the Incredible Hulk movie. I hated his story. Eric, I hate it. I hate smart, smart Hulk. I just. There's nothing that they did with Mark Ruffalo. Except maybe the first Avengers.
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Movie like he was tolerable then because.
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No, I can sum that up with that one line is like I'm always angry. Ohh. My gosh, that is right up there with Anakin Skywalker's. You know, he. Yeah, he gets into everything, right. It's right up there. Just absolutely.
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Heating sand.
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Like such a dismal line, his delivery is.
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Like, Oh my gosh.
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It is so bad I'm not an actor and I never.
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Would want to be 1.
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But there's planks of wood that have a little bit more personality and less stiffness than watching him portray.
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And there's some.
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People who can like really pull off the the.
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Character that they're supposed to represent.
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You know Robert Downey junior wound up basing his whole personality off of what Tony Stark and the comics was like, so.
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Oh, I thought he based it on Robert Downey.
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Junior. Yeah. You watch him? Yeah. You know, maybe. Yeah, I guess. Iron Man at some point was, you know, hopped up on drugs and wound up in someone else.
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'S house, but no, it's just that.
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You know, some people can portray being really, really smart. Like you can see Benedict Cumberbatch as being smart.
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As being a doctor, he can. He's convincing in those roles.
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To see Mark Ruffalo struggle and you notice that in none of his appearances has he ever tossed out like legit science terms. I don't think he's able to comprehend legit science terms. It's like, yeah, he's he's incredibly smart scientist, gamma physicist, all this stuff.
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Hey, he helped invent.
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Time travel. Matt. Matt. Who do you hate?
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Ohh my gosh, it just.
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Yeah, I.
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There's a character you disliked. Who is it?
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Don't say Korg.
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Oh no, I love Korg.
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Uh gosh, how about you go first? I'll think.
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About this one more.
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I said Mark Ruffalo.
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Oh, that's right, Mike. You go.
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You can't use.
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Oh, man. OK, yeah, that was going to be a stretch to find who's like the second.
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Worst. Well I.
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Mean at that point, then would be Brie Larson.
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But I haven't seen the movie.
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You don't count. You didn't see.
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It well I.
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I haven't seen it.
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Mean she wasn't.
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In an event.
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I've watched. Yeah, I watched. What was the 1st?
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The Avengers watching.
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Her like rescue Tony Stark while he was stranded out in space, and just her just standing there and was just like, that's acting. That's that's amazing acting, you know, just watch as I stand here. Yeah, Infinity war.
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With her any moment when she was on the screen, it was just we can move on, we can move on.
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Actually, I actually like those.
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Buffets. But.
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I like captain.
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Marvel and stuff so.
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Ohh yeah, I mean.
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Trying to put into context of a movie I've actually seen.
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I would probably have to go back and then say that Mickey Rourke's character was probably one of the biggest struggles to watch, right? I mean, I like Guy Pierce, but.
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You know, he was kind of giving a crap role in Iron Man 3, so I I didn't think he was fleshed out as a character, but Mickey Rourke's character was just annoying.
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You don't have to if you don't have one.
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He's in love with all the characters.
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That's why I invited you.
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On, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean.
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I would have to agree with you on Mickey.
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Work though, but that's.
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The well, I guess I could say Terrence Howard's version of Brody, I guess that's kind of why he got.
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Kicked off.
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Right.
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But yeah, I would probably go with him too, because yeah, I can't see anybody but Cheadle now in that role.
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Well, we said characters we didn't like.
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What? Who? Who are you surprised that you liked in these movies? Matt, you can go first this time.
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I should have written these out and given to you.
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Beforehand I was going to ask you, right?
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Yeah, because that would have been better.
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He's just looking.
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For all the editing he's going to do.
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Yeah, you say all of them and I'll pick which.
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One off every name.
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Put a distinct.
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Pause in between so that he knows where to cut.
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I mean for for one I actually.
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The like side character I would probably go with.
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I don't know. I like cork. He was hilarious, but as you can see, I I like more of the comedy side of.
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Things but.
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I forgive you.
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But yeah, I would go.
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With Cork as surprising side carrier.
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OK.
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Yeah, I'm surprised they used him more than they did, like they had him an.
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End game and stuff like.
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Right.
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That, apparently he was a bigger hit than I thought.
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He's the baby Yoda of this.
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Do you?
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Right, right, right. I loved Anthony Mackie ever since Winter Soldier. Like he just he grew on me pretty fast. And then every time he's on the screen, I I.
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Just smile like I just I, you know, he's. I don't think he's the best actor or whatever, but he's not. I think he's he's better than I thought he was going to be too.
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And then.
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He just he just makes me smile and his character of course, grew into a popular character. I know this is not the movie, but I just love Falcon Winter Soldier. So for that, Anthony Mackie is my my man.
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Yeah. I think one of the biggest surprises was Paul Rudd. I mean, he's always good, but to see him as a superhero, I was not envisioning him as.
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A superhero at all.
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You know, it's just like.
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Yeah, you know, he's a Judd Apatow staple. Again. I can't figure him as being, you know, Ant-Man and I think he pulled it off fairly well and gave him a very distinct personality, one that was very likeable and it separated him out from the rest of the cast of characters. You know, it's like.
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You know Captain Chris Evans, Captain America fights for good. Tony Stark fights for good Thor. You know Chris Hemsworth or fights for good.
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And then this dude was like, yeah, I just kind of was a thief and did it my time, and now I'm just kind of living life, you know, and just kind of on the verge of Chris Pratt in that way of the accidental type hero. But I think, you know, I like Paul Rudd a little bit more than Chris Pratt.
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Just I felt like he was a little bit more on target with being.
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Kind of like a I think I can make this. I think I can be a superhero, you know, just an average Joe who just kind.
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Of stumbled into becoming a superhero.
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I've noticed we've ignored Guardians until you just said Chris Pratt, and we've ignored and we've ignored Spiderman like, what's the deal on that? None of us like Spiderman.
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I wouldn't say I'm Spiderman out. In fact, these these movies have been pretty good. I've only seen the first one I've not seen.
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Far from home, but I.
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I liked the casting of Tom Holland. He looks, not necessarily the.
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Part I think that that.
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Andrew Garfield probably looked a little bit more like the classic Peter Parker.
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Yeah, I'm Andrew Garfield 10.
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But you know Tom Holland, at least kind of comes across a little bit more youthful in the Sam Raimi films. How old was he mean? Was he like, in his 30s, trying to pass himself off as a teenager?
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She's older than US 45, you know.
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At least 50.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, after every scene, the running, you know, rubbing Ben Gay into his thighs and. Right. Ohh. I just can't do it anymore. No, but he comes across as a very much a teenager with.
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The wonder of Spiderman of like I'm Spiderman and this is absolutely crazy and you know there is that element of him. But you know, just aesthetically he's not quite Peter Parker.
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For me.
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I love Tom Holland. Don't get me wrong, the only thing I dislike about the Spiderman movies is how essential Tony Stark is to his origin. Like Peter Parker is not his own character. He's Tony Starks, underling. You know and.
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And and that's just it just irritates me. And then even with this new movie coming out, it looks like Doctor Strange is going to take him under his Tulagi and train, you know, and you know, like, can't Spiderman just be Spiderman? Swing on and, you know, no armor. Can he make the tech himself, you know, just just be spider man.
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Not not this, you know, Sidekick for some other hero, but other than that, I'd love the Spiderman movies. Well, you.
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Kind of wonder, you know.
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Only because of Spiderman the the rights to him is through Sony and you wonder if it's like OK if we if we do a stand alone and if we don't tie him.
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So tightly if we don't.
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Intertwine his story so deeply into, you know, the mythos of the MCU.
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Then somebody can walk off and have this completely free and clear character that has nothing to do with the MCU and it's like thanks for giving us that, you know, Kickstart Disney. This has been great, really appreciate you. You know Marvel Studios.
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Getting us going now. See, look at the difference between Venom and Spiderman and the Spiderman ones, I think have been more critically, well received and have drawn in bigger box office. And I just wonder if it's one of those cases of if we let spread away and be this standalone character without ties to Tony.
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Star or without ties to some other you know, major MCU character. Then Sony can just kind of follow through and say like, OK, thanks. And we're making our own movies and we'll drop them. See you completely. But since he's so tied so tightly that it's just like you can't cut those strings.
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Yeah. So, Matt, you don't like Spiderman?
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No, I love them. Of course that's going to be my answer for.
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Everything. I love it.
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That's why I had you on is so you could love things.
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We hate favorite.
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Scene. Matt, I think you can do this one.
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I can do that one.
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All the movies so much that I got a tattoo for it. It's going to be when we got worthy Captain America so.
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When he got mule near, that was probably the one.
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One scene that gave me Peter tingles.
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Yeah. Did the whole crowd of people erupt when that happened in your theater? Yeah, that was amazing. I I must admit, even I got the Peter tingles.
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Oh, yeah. Yes, that was amazing.
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Like you have a.
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Favorite scene actually.
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It was a great scene and it was ruined immediately and it was somewhat similar and almost.
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Identical to what Matt had said, and that was the actual like when Captain America went to lift it. The the hammer and The Avengers movie.
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Yeah, the all turn.
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One, and he nudges it. I think what it that was, to me at least, it had that speculation of like Ohh Dang, did he actually like did he?
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Lift it. And did he not lift it because he didn't want to, like, show Thor up? And so I think because it had so much speculation and you were reading so much into that moment, I thought, ohh, my gosh, that is absolutely brilliant. I loved that scene. I loved what it had implications and it.
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It sparked the bait. He's.
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Like, did he lift it? Did he not?
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Lift it and it's like, you know, if I would go frame by frame. If you notice it on your screen it goes up by 4mm on my, you know TV or whatever you.
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Know he is lifting.
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It you know, he just chose not to. Or did he? You know, so it was.
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To me it.
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Was the equivalent of, you know, is Darth Vader really.
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Luke's father or.
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Crap spoilers.
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Yeah. Yeah. Now, thanks. I gotta edit that out.
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You know, and that was a debate, or is Darth Vader lying to him? You know, was it he? Was he really, truly his father? I think he's a lies. I think he's just because he's a bad guy. He's lying to say, you know.
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To trick Luke Skywalker.
00:23:40 Speaker 3
So the same thing here was that it just led to.
00:23:42 Speaker 3
A lot of debates and then.
00:23:43 Speaker 3
It was instantly thrown.
00:23:45 Speaker 3
Right into the toilet, as Paul Bettany's character.
00:23:48 Speaker 3
Of the vision.
00:23:49 Speaker 3
Hands it over and it's like I guess.
00:23:53 Speaker 3
Anybody can pick it up.
00:23:54 Speaker 2
Right. Why doesn't everybody just grab it and throw it around?
00:23:58 Speaker 3
Well, yeah, you can see that they.
00:23:59 Speaker 3
Were using it for that holy cow, the.
00:24:02 Speaker 3
Vision is worthy and.
00:24:03 Speaker 3
It's like the dude. The vision is just a robot.
00:24:05 Speaker 2
I am torn between two favorite scenes. One of them actually was in Thor Ragnarok, when Thor is told by Odin. You know he does.
00:24:15 Speaker 2
Remember him being the God of hammers, you know, and you just see the lightning and then the, you know, the Led Zeppelin music hits the background and and then he starts wailing on all these bad guys. That to me that is a pivotal scene. And then probably my other favorite scene is the.
00:24:35 Speaker 2
Winter Soldier scene where Samuel Jackson has a big car chase attacked by the police officers and stuff like that. Like I just love that that scene even though.
00:24:48 Speaker 2
He ends up, you know, dying in the movie you.
00:24:51 Speaker 2
Know. Wink, wink, wink, wink.
00:24:53 Speaker 2
And stuff like that. But I just love. I love that scene. Like I I personally think they don't utilize. They didn't utilize Samuel Jackson in enough movies like they just had him in a couple and they really should have 10 years ago had his Nick Perry movie out, you know.
00:25:08 Speaker 2
Field movie. I really think they should have done that like I know, I know they're doing a Disney plus.
00:25:14 Speaker 2
Will be or show with him in it, but they really ten years ago. They should have just had an injury movie and I wish they had used him more, but I just love that scene where he's in it, you know, he's talking to his vehicle and just kicking ****.
00:25:30 Speaker 4
There's, there's just so many different moments, and it's just like.
00:25:34 Speaker 4
A lot of good moments because I just have to. I have to go through and watch them all again. That's probably what I'm gonna start doing now after.
00:25:35 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:42 Speaker 1
Right.
00:25:43 Speaker 2
Now, do you watch them?
00:25:44 Speaker 2
In order of timeline or order of relief.
00:25:48 Speaker 4
I do timeline.
00:25:51 Speaker 2
Captain America first and Captain Marvel second, correct.
00:25:57 Speaker 3
OK. Well, you skip over that one.
00:25:59 Speaker 2
No, you do. But I didn't mind, Captain Marvel. It wasn't my favorite. It was kind of just running the mill average for me, but there were. There were moments in that I liked. I don't, I don't. I think she got a lot of Flack for not being a very good actress and she was better than I thought she was. So.
00:26:01 Speaker 1
Right.
00:26:18 Speaker 2
What they said they were.
00:26:19 Speaker 3
Well, I mean if this tells.
00:26:20 Speaker 3
You anything about my level of? No.
00:26:23 Speaker 3
Chris, I've watched Manos. The hands of fate probably five times.
00:26:28 Speaker 3
And yet I cannot bring myself.
00:26:30 Speaker 3
To watch this movie.
00:26:32 Speaker 4
Yeah, but I guess kind of side question for you comic guys and for Captain Marvel with the scrolls.
00:26:38
OK.
00:26:43 Speaker 4
I understanding of the scrolls is that they were always bad guys. Ohh.
00:26:49 Speaker 3
Well, that's one of the things that.
00:26:51 Speaker 3
Works especially in the Marvel Universe, is that.
00:26:54 Speaker 3
They're bad guys based off.
00:26:57 Speaker 3
A point of view.
00:26:58
A certain point of view.
00:26:59 Speaker 3
You know they are doing what they.
00:27:02 Speaker 3
Need to do to survive as a species.
00:27:05
And if that.
00:27:06 Speaker 3
Means taking over another planet, that's what.
00:27:08 Speaker 3
They need to do.
00:27:09 Speaker 3
So in their eyes, they're the good guys. But you know the same thing with Doctor Doom and why Doctor Doom, such a great villain is that he is a leader of his own country.
00:27:20 Speaker 3
You know, let Varia or whatever. It's however it's.
00:27:22 Speaker 3
And that makes him a great character, because he's got diplomatic immunity for one, and then he also is doing things that he feels are in the best interest of his country and furthering his country. And in that regard, he's.
00:27:38 Speaker 3
A good guy.
00:27:39 Speaker 3
The people of his country view him as like an amazing.
00:27:43 Speaker 3
Heroic this grand leader, and I think that's what helps.
00:27:48 Speaker 3
You know a lot of.
00:27:49 Speaker 3
The Marvel characters is that they have at least.
00:27:52 Speaker 3
Another layer to.
00:27:53 Speaker 3
Them a lot of the villains in the DC and now trying to batch DC.
00:27:57 Speaker 3
But a lot of them, you know you.
00:27:58 Speaker 2
Here we go.
00:27:59 Speaker 3
Can hear me?
00:28:00 Speaker 3
Grinding this grinding sounds me pulling my soapbox out. Date back to the Golden Age where it was this clear that clarity of.
00:28:08 Speaker 3
Black and white of villains are villains for this reason, and heroes are heroes for this reason, and there's no in between or misinterpretations. You know the bad guys were simply the bad guys, and a lot of them, their whole motivation was I need to destroy the good guy. But you know, there wasn't anything about self preservations or.
00:28:25 Speaker 3
Or, you know, I'm doing it for a greater cause that I feel is right. You know, even Thanos not in the comic, but in this movie, he felt he was doing the right thing, you know, overpopulation and so forth. He's feeling that. Yeah, this is the best thing for the universe. I'm going to snap my fingers and ****, now we're all set. So it adds an extra layer of like.
00:28:47 Speaker 3
I'm not bad guy because I'm bad. I'm a bad guy.
00:28:50 Speaker 3
Because my motives.
00:28:52 Speaker 3
Are not aligning.
00:28:53 Speaker 3
With what you perceive as being needed for a.
00:28:56 Speaker 3
Good guy.
00:28:56 Speaker 2
Well, you know, I always think the scrolls should be bad. Like they're they're slimy, shape changing.
00:29:04 Speaker 2
Evilish kind of creatures. You know it, and it kind of threw me off. How Captain Marvel portrayed them as as a race of survivors, which is, I mean, it's different. It's a different take on them. I'm not sure I buy it. It's like there's got to be some evil scrolls in there, too, and maybe we'll see.
00:29:24 Speaker 2
Them in in an upcoming show.
00:29:26 Speaker 2
Or something I I?
00:29:27 Speaker 2
Think they work for me? Better as as the villain. So to see them allying with Nick Fury and Captain Marvel wasn't my favorite thing. But I understand why they.
00:29:39 Speaker 2
Did it they?
00:29:40 Speaker 2
They didn't really necessarily need them to be bad at this point. Maybe we'll see down the line how they've infiltrated the Earth and how really there's a bad part of them. You know, they might still be the good guys, the ones that we've seen so far, but I think there's another side to them that.
00:29:57 Speaker 3
They just haven't revealed yet. I find it interesting though that.
00:30:00 Speaker 3
That they use the scrolls because I mean, they've been mostly, at least in my recollection, associated with the Fantastic Four and that deal with Fox, who had the rights to the fantasy.
00:30:12 Speaker 3
For hadn't been finalized, I don't think when Captain Marvel had come out, so it's kind of interesting, you know, obviously, you know the Cree Scroll Wars was a big deal in the comics and that was like an Avengers thing anyway. But it's just like, you know, the the scrolls first appeared in fantastic.
00:30:34 Speaker 3
And in fact, one of the major scrolls was a one called the Super Scroll.
00:30:41 Speaker 3
The that super scroll had the powers of the Fantastic Four, so there wasn't like a super scroll that had the powers of The Avengers, or at least not that I'm aware of.
00:30:51 Speaker 3
And then you.
00:30:51 Speaker 3
Know Classic Marvel Comics? So it seems like, wow, these guys are really tightly associated with the Fantastic Four. But I guess there was elements that, yeah, it does make sense to kind of, you know, with the scroll free thing, put them into the Captain Marvel series at least.
00:31:07 Speaker 2
Yeah. Matt, are you looking forward to a Fantastic Four movie?
00:31:09 Speaker 4
Yes, I mean over the last few, yes.
00:31:15 Speaker 2
Yeah, I just got to say, no matter who's doing the fantastic horror movie, they have to prove to me that stretching is a cool power and works on a movie at a certain level. Because I I just don't think like all the other powers are cool. And then you got Reed Richards, who's super smart and can stretch.
00:31:35 Speaker 2
And I just I every time I see the theater movie company try to portray stretching just.
00:31:43 Speaker 2
Doesn't work for me, and I'm hoping they figure out a way to do it to where I'm impressed or I don't know. I just I don't, it just looks dumb when a character stretches the part of his body and maybe it's me, but I I just can't get over it.
00:32:00
You know what?
00:32:00 Speaker 3
Stretching scene was the the Cringiest to.
00:32:03 Speaker 3
You then Andy.
00:32:04 Speaker 2
All of them.
00:32:05 Speaker 1
To me.
00:32:05 Speaker 3
The dancing sequence was the one I don't know. These are not the figgy, you know, movie. So we're kind of diverging off a little bit, but where he's out on the dance floor and just is wrapping himself in his own arms and then unravels.
00:32:20 Speaker 3
Yeah. Hoof. Yeah, that.
00:32:22 Speaker 2
I think the less stretching they do the better. Like just leave it a mystery, you know, have them absorb bullets or whatever and have them bounce off.
00:32:30 Speaker 2
That's that's one thing. But you know, having him stretch his face and you know, like maybe the elongated man super eyeball, you know, around the corner and stuff.
00:32:42 Speaker 2
You know, it's just it's not going to work for.
00:32:44 Speaker 2
Me, I don't.
00:32:44 Speaker 2
Know I'm hoping. I hope it they make it look cool and I'm like, whoa, that's awesome. But I have my doubts.
00:32:52 Speaker 2
But I can't wait to see the other fantastic board members. You know, Chris Evans, human torch.
00:32:57 Speaker 3
Yeah, he's gonna come back for that.
00:32:58 Speaker 3
Role again? Yeah.
00:33:00 Speaker 4
We need some Michael checklist thing.
00:33:02 Speaker 2
Right.
00:33:04 Speaker 3
Yeah, the thing at what was.
00:33:06 Speaker 3
He 5 foot one.
00:33:08 Speaker 2
I don't know. Jessica Alba is Susan.
00:33:11 Speaker 3
The blue eyed those contacts look like they've just caused so much pain.
00:33:17 Speaker 2
Now Matt, did you see Shang Chi?
00:33:19 Speaker 2
I did OK. That's the only one I haven't seen. So yeah, that's right. I hear it's great and I can't wait to see it when it's on Disney plus next month, but I haven't seen that one. I did enjoy Black Widow. I think it probably was a couple years too late, but I I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
00:33:22 Speaker 4
OK, it was amazing. I loved it.
00:33:41 Speaker 2
I didn't like the taskmaster as much as I thought I would because he's so cool in the comic. I just don't think they portrayed him.
00:33:50 Speaker 2
Well enough in the right and it was still an interesting twist. I didn't mind it. I just didn't. It wasn't. It wasn't my taskmaster, but it was still pretty cool. And I think she got.
00:33:53 Speaker 3
Macy's a pronouns.
00:33:55 Speaker 4
The same.
00:34:08 Speaker 2
I think they set it up pretty well for the next Black Widow character. You know that's. I mean, that's all they're doing now is setting up the next wave of characters. So setting up that like widow, I think that worked. I think she'd be. She'll be pretty.
00:34:23 Speaker 2
Good at it.
00:34:24 Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah. The person who?
00:34:27 Speaker 4
Who played Yelena? Yelena. Yeah. Very well. In the end, credit scene setting it up for Hawkeye. That'll be nice.
00:34:34 Speaker 2
I mean, I understand why they're going to use Kate Bishop, because that's how the comic book version is, but it would have made more sense to me if it was just his daughter, you know, because they've already shown her with the bow and everything. So I'm not sure why they decided to go that route, but.
00:34:50 Speaker 2
I would have enjoyed Hawkeye to be his daughter rather.
00:34:55 Speaker 2
Kate Bishop, but well, they're not there to please me. I would because I love that movie. My wife and I went to see Deadpool. We both went out of there, went wow. That was really good. So.
00:34:59 Speaker 4
Pull them to.
00:35:08 Speaker 2
Yeah, I was surprised how good it was. I can't. I want my kids to watch it. But I mean, they can't for many more years.
00:35:16 Speaker 4
I mean, they have the PG13.
00:35:18 Speaker 4
But yeah, it's it's just not going to be as good. It's going to take it away. I mean, that's why I think Venom should have been rated.
00:35:27 Speaker 1
R yeah.
00:35:28 Speaker 4
If it would have been that.
00:35:29 Speaker 3
Much better, which does bring up another question, is that to me, I think the the rating systems skewed anyway. You know, it seems like they've gotten more stringent.
00:35:39 Speaker 3
With the ratings, because I remember well if you watch planet of the apes, there's a whole sequence where you know, you see Charlton Heston's **** as he's jumping into a pool. Or, sorry, into this lake and.
00:35:52 Speaker 3
A lot of like the, you know, kind of that was a grizzly scenes and so forth, but that was technically rated G for the first point of this movie. And then when PG13 came out, that was supposed to be OK you.
00:36:04 Speaker 3
Need to be thirteen years of age to catch this and now R is like R was like Oh my gosh, you know it has to be absolutely vile.
00:36:12 Speaker 3
In order to get to an R rating and now it just seems like every movie is an R rated movie, so it's kind of tough to you know, R it's almost become the catch all.
00:36:21 Speaker 3
As opposed to it being a, you know, a means of discernment as to like what couldn't you have your kids watching? What can't you, I mean?
00:36:29 Speaker 3
You look at cartoons when Shrek is a PG and it's like, really what was in there?
00:36:35 Speaker 3
That was.
00:36:38 Speaker 3
Yeah, but Even so, you know.
00:36:40 Speaker 3
A lot of that stuff's gonna fly over.
00:36:41 Speaker 3
I mean, kids are gonna watch.
00:36:42 Speaker 3
It anyway, for one. You know they're gonna because Shrek is.
00:36:46 Speaker 3
Shrek and you know, kids are gonna.
00:36:48 Speaker 3
Go like, oh, that's fun Kung Fu.
00:36:50 Speaker 3
Panda was PG.
00:36:51 Speaker 2
Well, let me tell you a story. OK, so when I was a kid, I loved the movie clash of the Titans.
00:36:59 Speaker 1
And very nice.
00:37:02 Speaker 2
I would watch it on the TV.
00:37:05 Speaker 2
And little did I know that you know the edited TV version wasn't the movie that I showed my child.
00:37:12 Speaker 2
When and so when they within the 1st 5 minutes of the movie, they showed some bareness of females that they all just suddenly turned and looked at me like you're letting me watch this movie.
00:37:27 Speaker 2
Ohh great moments in parenting.
00:37:31 Speaker 2
Right. Yeah, I won some awards that day and immediately turn the movie off and.
00:37:35 Speaker 2
Said OK, we're gonna. I'm going to.
00:37:37 Speaker 2
Watch this movie and.
00:37:39 Speaker 2
See what else there is, but I don't.
00:37:41 Speaker 2
They didn't realize, and we have yet to watch it so.
00:37:46 Speaker 3
Yeah, there's that.
00:37:46 Speaker 3
Whole cannibalism scene that they didn't. Yeah, whatever.
00:37:50 Speaker 3
It's like it gets worse. Gravel was.
00:37:52
This that was.
00:37:53 Speaker 2
Just a couple years ago, but it's like, oh, I don't remember that because I didn't see that version of the movie.
00:37:59 Speaker 3
In in similar fashion, I remember going to school.
00:38:03 Speaker 3
Pretending I had seen the movie The Jerk.
00:38:07 Speaker 3
And what I had seen was the.
00:38:09 Speaker 3
TV edit of the jerk.
00:38:11 Speaker 2
It's just nothing like that.
00:38:12 Speaker 3
Nothing like the movie and I'm.
00:38:14 Speaker 3
Like going? Yeah. No, his dog named stupid.
00:38:17 Speaker 1
Right.
00:38:20 Speaker 3
It was like every kid at the playground was looking at me like stupid. That's nothing. Yeah, but the dubbing didn't didn't know that they had done, and they changed the name to stupid and it's like.
00:38:35 Speaker 3
Oh ohhh yeah. So then when I actually watched it, like the legit movie, it's.
00:38:41 Speaker 3
That's funnier and yeah, now I understand why people were looking at me and it was like it took decades for me to find out. Like ohh.
00:38:50 Speaker 2
Ohh crap right. Lesson learned, here's a question. What character haven't they used in a Marvel movie that you wish they had?
00:39:01 Speaker 2
Or you hope they do. Someone from the comic books, any characters you know. Do you have a favorite character that they haven't used yet or different version of of such character?
00:39:13 Speaker 3
This is going to sound like blasphemy, but I would like to see a legit Wolverine.
00:39:19 Speaker 3
I like.
00:39:20 Speaker 3
I think he does a great job. I honestly do, but to me, he's still not Wolverine. You know, Wolverine.
00:39:26
What? OK.
00:39:27 Speaker 2
Alright, we're ending this right now.
00:39:31 Speaker 1
Ohh yeah.
00:39:34 Speaker 3
Well, OK, when I set the way back a little bit. So when the first X-Men Movie came out, we had.
00:39:40 Speaker 3
We were working.
00:39:41 Speaker 3
On some product based off of that Brian Singer movie, so we were developing these goods and so they sent us all these, you know, still images of the character.
00:39:51 Speaker 3
In costume in these, turn around poses and so forth. So you can kind of see how they're black leather costume was going to.
00:39:57 Speaker 3
Work and that.
00:39:58 Speaker 3
Threw me off right out of the gates by association of that. I'm not going. Oh, this looks wrong because it's like, what happens to the yellow and black, you know, or brown.
00:40:08 Speaker 2
Well, that custom doesn't. It doesn't work.
00:40:10 Speaker 3
Yeah, brown and tan costume the skin tight because I mean, like, you know, I mean, they're coming off of the blade movies and the matrix movies where it's like, yeah, things were black leather. Was it, you know, that was how you defined heroics, was black leather. So yeah, they have the bright yellow spandex.
00:40:29 Speaker 3
Yeah, that wasn't.
00:40:30 Speaker 3
Gonna work but.
00:40:31 Speaker 3
Hugh Jackman. While I think Logan worked really well, I don't think I ever felt like he was The Wolverine from the comics.
00:40:40 Speaker 3
I felt like he was a good Wolverine and you know, maybe they'll do like, you know, the multiverse thing and they'll show an actual Wolverine and introduce him that way versus like the Hugh Jackman one. But I I I would love to see a short dude. And with that, like, really ***** attitude. Legit.
00:41:00 Speaker 3
And like I said, Logan worked well, but at the same point, you know Hugh Jackman wasn't the young man that he once was when these X-Men movies started in, what, 99?
00:41:09 Speaker 4
I have always going back to like the ultimate cartoons that they had out.
00:41:18 Speaker 4
I don't know what it was, but ever since I've seen the episode with Beta Ray Bill, I would love to see a live.
00:41:23 Speaker 4
Action Beta Ray Bill that.
00:41:25 Speaker 3
Showed his head in that Ragnarok, and that was about, I don't know if they'll get any further down that road or not.
00:41:31 Speaker 2
Yeah, I think they will think they will, yeah.
00:41:34 Speaker 4
What's that? Where did they show that?
00:41:37 Speaker 3
It was outside the Games Masters Arena. They kind of showed all the like the champion.
00:41:43 Speaker 4
OK, OK. OK. Gotcha.
00:41:45 Speaker 3
Yeah. So his head, his head is one of those. So referencing the fact that he must have been there at.
00:41:51 Speaker 3
Some point.
00:41:52 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, he's a great character.
00:41:55 Speaker 2
I can't wait to see what they do with them. I.
00:41:58 Speaker 4
Ohh, it was Avengers Earth, Earth's mightiest heroes. That's what he was.
00:42:02 Speaker 2
I've always, you know, I'm. I'm going back to someone. They've used it for. I want to see Howard the duck movie. But what they can do with it now, that's what I mean. They're they're starting to use him a little bit. I know he was in like a what? If you know episode?
00:42:20 Speaker 3
Guardians, guardians OK.
00:42:22 Speaker 2
Yeah, but uh, I want.
00:42:23 Speaker 4
They use them on the guardians ride at Disney as well.
00:42:26 Speaker 2
Oh, they do OK.
00:42:28 Speaker 2
That's cool, but yeah, I want to see how the duck movie done right. And no, I didn't. I mean, Full disclosure here, I didn't hate the original Howard the Duck movie.
00:42:37 Speaker 2
Either I actually.
00:42:39 Speaker 2
Enjoyed it for what it was.
00:42:41 Speaker 3
Do you think they would do a Namor movie? I mean, if you want to edit out my reference of doing Wolverine, right?
00:42:49 Speaker 2
There's rumor that they're going to use them already.
00:42:52 Speaker 3
So yeah, but you know, with Aquaman, technically Neymar was created before Aquaman was. Yeah, historically speaking, but there's still another level of like we already got some dude that's totally just underwater. What else can you do? Yeah, you already have. Like, he's from Atlantis. He's from Atlantis. He's underwater.
00:43:12 Speaker 3
He's underwater. He's, you know, the only thing is like, this dude's got.
00:43:16 Speaker 3
Wings on his ankles and he's the 1st.
00:43:18 Speaker 2
You know you have to. You'd have to portray Neymar as almost a villain because of of his character in the time of stuff like you almost have to opposite Aquaman to make him the bad guy who eventually reforms, you know, like that would be his story art.
00:43:38 Speaker 2
I'm curious with what they're going to do with the X-Men with, you know, with this multiverse thing, they could pretty much do everything. And I I gotta I have an unfavorite opinion. I really hate the Marvel Multiverse and I really like the DC-1, so I'm I'm. I'm not sure why.
00:43:57 Speaker 2
I don't like Marvel having multiverses and that's kind of their direction. They're going. I haven't been enjoying like I've watched the Loki series and I enjoyed it for for Loki and it made sense and it was fun and everything. I think Marvel's going to use it as their answer for.
00:44:18 Speaker 2
We can have any character we want at any time.
00:44:22 Speaker 2
And I just, I don't that's kind of not what I want to see, but I'm sure they're going to do it well.
00:44:27 Speaker 2
You know, like I.
00:44:28 Speaker 2
I have faith in Marvel. They've proven themselves 90% of the time to do what's right, except for the whole. But you know.
00:44:35 Speaker 3
And Captain Marvel.
00:44:37 Speaker 2
No, and the.
00:44:38 Speaker 4
Hulk, you haven't seen.
00:44:39 Speaker 2
It that's right.
00:44:41 Speaker 2
So you know, I have faith that they're.
00:44:43 Speaker 2
Gonna do it? Well, I just I have.
00:44:46 Speaker 2
Some qualms, some internal.
00:44:48 Speaker 2
Battle I fight and I'm not sure why.
00:44:50 Speaker 2
But over this multiverse usage and stuff. But it'll be fun to see whether they make the X-Men a different universe and then merge it, or they keep it separate and just, you know, like they could do anything. And maybe that's what I.
00:45:08 Speaker 2
Don't like?
00:45:09 Speaker 2
About it. But I also want to, you know, like I want to see an Avengers X-Men Movie where they're Wolverines fighting Captain America. Like, I don't want to see him fight Anthony Mackie. Captain America. I want to see him fight. Chris Evans. Captain America. You know, like I want. I want them back 20 years ago, intertwined with The Avengers and stuff. And then we're just not going to get that.
00:45:30 Speaker 3
Well, if I can throw my one more soap box out there, I don't want the X-Men included in the Marvel Universe, and primarily the reason is the whole point of the X-Men is counter to the rest of the Marvel Universe. It may have mentioned this to you not on the podcast, but this is my my biggest.
00:45:51 Speaker 3
Complaint about.
00:45:53 Speaker 3
The X-Men.
00:45:54 Speaker 3
Because that here are these characters that are shunned and ostracized from society because they have these powers. They are feared because they have these powers. They are looked down upon because they have these powers that makes them different than the rest of humanity.
00:46:14 Speaker 3
Spiderman has these powers, yet Iron Man or not, Iron Man. But you know Thor has these powers. The Hulk technically has these powers thing and Fantastic Four. Any of the members of the Fantastic Four have these powers and they're loved by the general population. And so without knowing.
00:46:35 Speaker 3
How they got their powers? Well, how is it that the general group of people are like, oh?
00:46:41 Speaker 3
We hate mutants.
00:46:42 Speaker 3
And it's like what?
00:46:44
How would he?
00:46:45 Speaker 3
Know that Wolverines, a mutant, and then that Captain America is not. How would you know that the human torch is not a mutant?
00:46:52 Speaker 3
And why is it that he's loved and the X-Men are hated and it's like it doesn't make any sense. You know, their whole premise is based off of, you know, we hate all mutants. It's like, OK.
00:47:04 Speaker 3
That's fine, but then you should also hate anybody who's got superpowers at all. So Spiderman should just be as equally hated as any X-Men. But.
00:47:13 Speaker 2
In the old stories, he was kind of hunted by the police like.
00:47:17 Speaker 3
Yeah, he was a menace. Yeah. But then the thing, you know, if Colossus, who can turn his skin to metal causes people to hate him because he's a mutant, then the thing should be equally hated because his skin.
00:47:29 Speaker 3
Is rock.
00:47:30 Speaker 2
I disagree. He's the ever loving thing.
00:47:34 Speaker 2
So and so he's loved by everyone.
00:47:37 Speaker 3
Especially the Yancey St.
00:47:39 Speaker 2
And he's orange. Nobody hates orange.
00:47:42 Speaker 3
I thought Kelsey Grammar was OK as the beast.
00:47:47 Speaker 2
Is this where I include the crickets sound?
00:47:51 Speaker 1
Yeah, I was waiting.
00:47:54 Speaker 3
Waiting. It's like Sideshow Bob. Perfect casting is the beast, right?
00:47:59 Speaker 4
That's where you you insert a clip from.
00:48:05 Speaker 4
And Chris Tucker is doing the bloopers at the end. He's like, who do you think you are, Kelsey? Grammar.
00:48:11 Speaker 2
I think they need to start from scratch with the xbone and then start the way the comics did with the original 5, and then I'd be OK if you threw in Wolverine, you know, because he's the popular character, whatever, but.
00:48:25 Speaker 3
Sell the toys.
00:48:25 Speaker 2
You know, keep the original.
00:48:27 Speaker 2
Five. And then The Wolverine as the 6th member.
00:48:32 Speaker 2
With Xavier and just do a movie with just those guys.
00:48:36 Speaker 2
You know, get to know those guys and maybe at the entities at a couple of the other popular characters joining or whatever, like take it slow. I don't want, I don't want the first movie to have 50 different mutants. And then the second movie, you know, double it again or it like it, you're you'll have plenty of time over the next decade and a half to have.
00:48:56 Speaker 2
To have you know three or four movies where you can slowly build it up and everything.
00:49:01 Speaker 2
And you can always have an offshoot, New Mutants movie, which I didn't. I actually didn't mind the New Mutants movie that came out, but I'd rather see a slow build than a flood of mutants.
00:49:12 Speaker 3
The downside with any of these things is that.
00:49:15 Speaker 3
You only get 11 whack at.
00:49:18 Speaker 3
It you know, you might get like a trilogy. I mean, none of these.
00:49:21 Speaker 3
Moves, except I guess ironically of.
00:49:23 Speaker 3
All of them. Thor is getting the 4th.
00:49:25 Speaker 3
One, but all the other.
00:49:28 Speaker 3
Ones three and out, that's it and.
00:49:31 Speaker 2
Yeah, well, the.
00:49:31 Speaker 2
Problem is, they they age out, you know like.
00:49:34 Speaker 2
You you got.
00:49:35 Speaker 2
Them for the 20s and their 30s and then by they hit 40. They don't. They don't want to do superhero movies anymore or they're just looked out of place now.
00:49:45 Speaker 2
Unfortunately, time has no you know, time will will defeat all these movies before anything else.
00:49:53 Speaker 3
If somebody told Roger Moore that in the 70s.
00:49:56 Speaker 3
Right.
00:49:56 Speaker 2
Movie you're looking forward to, so let's see what's coming out. Eternals is like couple weeks away. By the time this is being recorded, Spiderman is December. I think any of these movies look forward to Matt, I mean.
00:50:10 Speaker 2
Besides all of them.
00:50:13 Speaker 4
I would probably say Spiderman.
00:50:18 Speaker 4
That would probably be the biggest one.
00:50:22 Speaker 4
UMI know you don't love the comedy of Thor, but I am also.
00:50:29 Speaker 4
Looking forward to love with Thunder.
00:50:31 Speaker 4
As well.
00:50:31 Speaker 1
OK.
00:50:34 Speaker 2
Yeah, that that does look good. And and from what I hear, it's going to be more comedy, so.
00:50:40 Speaker 4
I am interested to see how they do.
00:50:42 Speaker 4
It kinda forever.
00:50:44 Speaker 2
Right. Yeah, they.
00:50:44 Speaker 4
That's going to be a tough one to.
00:50:49 Speaker 2
Yeah, they have a lot.
00:50:49 Speaker 2
Of questions to answer on that one.
00:50:53 Speaker 2
And even what they're going to do without Chadwick Boseman and they could go many ways. I mean, they're going to try to honor him. Do you think it was the right thing to do, not to recast him?
00:51:04 Speaker 4
I think it's the right thing to do, not.
00:51:05 Speaker 4
To recast on.
00:51:07 Speaker 4
And just I think.
00:51:09 Speaker 4
I'm I'm not sure if they've really.
00:51:10 Speaker 4
Yeah, but.
00:51:12 Speaker 4
I think that the because this isn't in the comics that it.
00:51:15 Speaker 4
Goes to Sherry.
00:51:17 Speaker 2
Eventually, yeah, she she was certainly Black Panther for a while. I mean, the original didn't die, but maybe. I mean, maybe he did. And then came back. But can't do that in real life, obviously.
00:51:27 Speaker 2
But yeah, I think it does. They probably if if they're smart, they'll.
00:51:32 Speaker 2
They'll bring it to Sheree. Well, I'm looking forward to a Daredevil movie, you know, with with Charlie Cox.
00:51:38 Speaker 2
Let's hope that's.
00:51:38 Speaker 3
He was about the only salvageable thing in that entire Netflix Marvel Universe go.
00:51:48 Speaker 2
Really, you gotta watch Daredevil.
00:51:50 Speaker 4
I think I think I watched a couple episodes of Daredevil on there just.
00:51:55 Speaker 2
Pulled me in. Yeah. The Punisher was really good, too.
00:51:59 Speaker 3
The downside? It became all Punisher all the time.
00:52:02 Speaker 2
Well, that's the downside for you. Maybe, but.
00:52:05 Speaker 1
Right.
00:52:07 Speaker 3
I just wanted to see more Daredevil, you know? And it just he took a sideline in order to introduce Electra and.
00:52:14 Speaker 3
The punisher.
00:52:15 Speaker 2
Yeah, and I love the actor who played Luke Cage.
00:52:20 Speaker 2
But the Luke Cage series itself was not very well written in my opinion, but yeah.
00:52:26 Speaker 4
I I hope.
00:52:27 Speaker 4
That that's kind of another thing I would like to see done with Spiderman and Nick Fury is there was a newer Spider Man show that they had on Disney.
00:52:41 Speaker 4
A few years ago, I think.
00:52:43 Speaker 4
I know it's not on anymore.
00:52:44 Speaker 4
But they had.
00:52:47 Speaker 4
Them in it, they had Luke Cage, Iron Fist and a white tiger in Nova so that I think would be kind of cool if they had like, the kid versions of them or teenage very.
00:53:01 Speaker 2
Yeah, that would be fun. And that was a a neat series. My my kids like that a lot. I just want to see Spiderman and it's amazing friends.
00:53:09 Speaker 2
Yeah * iceman.
00:53:11 Speaker 3
Did you ever wonder?
00:53:12 Speaker 3
About whoever lived in the apartment below Peter Parkers.
00:53:17 Speaker 3
Because like he all of a sudden, his whole living room transformed into that crime setup and there's.
00:53:23 Speaker 3
The the carpet would flip over the bed would rotate and it's like these things have got to be stored somewhere and so like you know the.
00:53:32 Speaker 3
Person like right below was.
00:53:33 Speaker 3
Like holy crap, there's a computer hanging from my ceiling.
00:53:36 Speaker 3
And then, oh, wait, no, now it's a carpet.
00:53:38 Speaker 2
Pretty much I think that ran through. I mean I had some DC stuff, but you know, I don't want to even get involved in DC anymore.
00:53:46 Speaker 2
That could be a whole different level.
00:53:50 Speaker 3
And we could have Matt maybe 1/3 or 1/4 or this. Matt come back for that too.
00:53:55 Speaker 2
Right. Yeah, exactly.
00:53:57 Speaker 3
Do you think that the movies help the sales of the comics, or did they hinder and the reason why? I'm going to ask that is that some major extent because of the quantity of movies that are coming out with, it's almost to the point where it's like, yeah, that's that satisfies all the needs I need for comics. I can see this.
00:54:17 Speaker 3
All play out a whole series, you.
00:54:19 Speaker 3
Well, I mean.
00:54:20 Speaker 3
Infinity Gauntlet was six issues, so I took half a year of reading or I could sit through like 2 movies 6 hours done.
00:54:30 Speaker 2
Yeah, I think I don't think it's drawing people into the comic store. I think that, I mean, certainly there's some people that will go in and go, hey, I just saw this movie. I really like this character. But I think those people probably already would have gone into a comic store or.
00:54:45 Speaker 2
They were going to going to anyway, but it's certainly not drawing readership sales. Otherwise we you'd see it in comic sales, but they're they're the lowest they've ever been, except for manga. So I mean, I think the people who collect comics like this is for, for me, growing up.
00:55:05 Speaker 2
I wish these movies came out. You know, when I was 16 and like my kids have a good they don't know how good they have it because this is, this is the stuff I was dreaming of. I wish they'd make it Captain America movie and it would just be this Captain America movie is awesome and we got, you know, some guy right on the motorcycle on TV.
00:55:24 Speaker 2
With a clear shield. Yeah, with a clear shield. Like the science. The the technology to make this movie is finally here. But you know, growing up, this is the stuff we dreamed of. You know that the all these action figures and all these cool articulation like it's awesome. Now to see because.
00:55:44 Speaker 2
You know.
00:55:45 Speaker 2
That's what I wished I had when I grew up. When I growed up. But you know, like we had Star Wars and I had Star Wars figures and all that stuff. So I can't say I was deprived of toys. But you know this, this is the dream for the superhero band.
00:56:01 Speaker 3
Yeah, I'm a little afraid that there's going to be fatigue.
00:56:05 Speaker 3
You know, at some point it's going to kick in.
00:56:06 Speaker 3
If it hasn't.
00:56:07 Speaker 3
Already of just, I mean not to say that the pandemic had anything good come from it. The fact that it's kind of slowed it down a little bit.
00:56:16 Speaker 3
Has kind of given everybody a little bit of a breather. It's been nice, but you know here we are already like saying she just came out and Eternals will be out next month. It's like holy crap, you know, just in a matter of months and then, you know, Black Widow was out a few months before that. So we're not even talking years between movies or a movie a year we're looking at.
00:56:36 Speaker 3
Three and three or four months and spider man is.
00:56:39 Speaker 3
Going to after that two, yeah.
00:56:41 Speaker 2
Well, I think Marvel knows they have a limited time until superhero movies are uncool. Again, you know, they're gonna. They're gonna shove it out there and and they're smart. They'll they change it up. Sean G is different than the rest. And you know they're going to try and push the boundaries a little bit to make it.
00:56:58 Speaker 2
Different, but you know every genre of movie has their time and then fades away. So.
00:57:04 Speaker 2
They're going to get their money while they can. I think that's all the questions I have.
00:57:08 Speaker 3
I had one question.
00:57:10 Speaker 2
Alright, go for it.
00:57:11 Speaker 3
The question I have is seems that we've had 10 years of indoctrination of sitting through the entire credits to see snippets of future events. Do you watch any other movies in anticipation of having the mid or end credit sequence and then?
00:57:31 Speaker 3
Realizing there's nothing there and getting terribly disappointed.
00:57:36 Speaker 4
UMI do sometimes, but I usually do my research first.
00:57:41 Speaker 4
And make other people sit through it.
00:57:47 Speaker 4
But yeah, there's really not too many out there that I'll sit through, but sometimes I'll like if we watch, if we're watching something at home and it just letting the credits roll and all suddenly gets to the end. I'm like what? There's.
00:58:00 Speaker 4
Something at the end of this?
00:58:01 Speaker 4
I think it's more of a surprise than the disappointment of there not being something there or something, but.
00:58:08 Speaker 2
Yeah, they've certainly trained us to stay through the credits, which is.
00:58:14 Speaker 2
It's fun. Like I love the little end end scenes and and credit scenes and stuff like that, but I'm with Matt. Usually I I have a friend on Facebook who goes to see the movie like right away and then he'll say in his.
00:58:27 Speaker 2
Comments. No spoilers, but there's an end courtesy, and so I go. OK. Yeah, I'll just stay and watch for that one then. And then he'll say no end credit scene. So I just won't. So because I have kids, you know, I'll bring kids along. And if they don't have to sit through the credits, then we won't. So you know.
00:58:44 Speaker 3
Get a little antsy. Yeah, it's it's really kind of spoiled me cause like, I'll, I mean, I always sat through credits ahead of time anyway, you know, see who it was.
00:58:53 Speaker 3
The compose, you know who did.
00:58:55 Speaker 3
Some of the behind the scenes stuff production designer.
00:58:57 Speaker 2
Who is the third? The?
00:58:59 Speaker 2
Third guy on the left.
00:59:03 Speaker 2
The the hooded guy.
00:59:05 Speaker 3
I need to.
00:59:05 Speaker 3
Know who provided craft services, right? But you know there is that level of like ohh there was something there, you know, there was a few, you know, Disney and Pixar movies were starting to add that where they were doing their fake bloopers and some other things here there. But.
00:59:21 Speaker 3
You know it, it definitely has given you that enticement.
00:59:25 Speaker 3
To watch a.
00:59:25 Speaker 3
Little bit more and like and it eluded and I think that's what the things that really helped with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It seems like such a trivial thing, but it did really connect a lot of these together because like.
00:59:40 Speaker 3
You know the end credit sequences gave, you know, illusions towards something major down in the civil War. You know, the next movie I said. Ohh. My gosh, that's great.
00:59:52 Speaker 3
And you know, again, going back to the fact that you know, I love James Bond movies and I'd watch all the credits and a.
00:59:59 Speaker 3
Lot of them.
00:59:59 Speaker 3
Would say James Bond will return and I'd have a, you know, name in.
01:00:04 Speaker 3
It of the next movie and one.
01:00:07 Speaker 3
Of my favorite.
01:00:07 Speaker 3
Movies of all time is Buckaroo Banzai and that had you know.
01:00:12 Speaker 3
And like Buckaroo Banzai, will return and give him name of the next movie. There's going to be a series of films, and obviously that never happened. But you know, I love those and credit things and it seems now it's like it's gotten so standardized.
01:00:28 Speaker 3
It's like if you don't have an end credits, it seems weird.
01:00:32 Speaker 2
Yeah, it does, isn't it? It seems like every movie should have it in credit now. Yeah, one thing I do want to say I mentioned bringing my kids to the movie stuff. You know, one thing the the Marvel movies has done is my kids, and I've really bonded over these movies and it's great to see them enjoy because none of them. Well, I mean.
01:00:51 Speaker 2
Like I've said before, they read comics, but they don't read comics like I do, and so this is their outlet for things that I enjoy.
01:01:02 Speaker 2
And it's been great taking them. They get excited to go see the movies, obviously pre COVID and stuff, but they get excited to go see these movies and we'll we'll chat with them and it's it's, you know, if nothing else, the having these movies is really allowed me to see the same things that I like.
01:01:22 Speaker 2
Comics they like about the movies, you know, this, this next generation. So unless anybody has anything else to say about Marvel movies.
01:01:31 Speaker 3
I will say, as far as these movies go, I am always surprised.
01:01:36 Speaker 3
And you know, there's a part of me that's like, oh, this was going to suck. This is going to be the end of it. And then it's like, oh, holy crap, that was actually really good, you know.
01:01:43 Speaker 3
You're going to.
01:01:44 Speaker 3
Use the Vulture as the the first villain for this Spiderman. You got to be kidding me. And then Michael Keaton.
01:01:50 Speaker 3
Was amazing and.
01:01:52
Then you're going.
01:01:52 Speaker 3
To do Mysterio, they're not going to do Mysterio that dude.
01:01:55 Speaker 3
Big Fish bowl for a.
01:01:56 Speaker 3
Head there's no way. And I was like, oh crap, they.
01:01:59 Speaker 3
Did it and they kept.
01:02:00 Speaker 3
The Fish Bowl head it it's really.
01:02:02 Speaker 3
Phenomenal. What they've been able to pull off with these movies. You know, there's just been some stuff that I would have thought.
01:02:08 Speaker 3
Would never fly, and they've really made it, you know, really, really, truly amazing go. And for 10 years to keep it up, you know, even the James Bond movies couldn't keep that momentum going with those movies. They just, you know, they died even during Connor's run. Right towards the end. And this has been.
01:02:29 Speaker 3
In years of.
01:02:30 Speaker 2
10 years.
01:02:31 Speaker 3
Of mostly good movies.
01:02:34
OK.
01:02:37 Speaker 2
All right. Well, that wraps it up for and This is why I love comics. Thanks again Matt for Co hosting for this Marvel episode, we'll have to have you back on for another of your specialties. You know, like cooking.
01:02:53 Speaker 2
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