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I am Andy and this is Mike.
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That I am.
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And we're going to talk about a book eventually. Again, you know, we we kind of like to talk beforehand. So as as we are recording this episode, one is out and Episode 2 is being edited. So thanks for everybody who downloaded episode one. We're really appreciate it. We've decided.
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I think you decided for us, Mike.
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But I'm not positive.
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On what book we were going to talk about?
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I think you you wanted to connect the first title that we talked about which was DC, cosmic odyssey, the book we are talking about now has a common factor in it. What is the common factor?
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, we are looking not for continuity of character or moving things along based off the themes this time. We're looking at the author that we kind of wouldn't say we bashed him, but we wanted to see what else he might have done. It's one of those things where you never can make a full judgment about a person based off of one thing.
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We love mignola. I think we sang his praises almost at nauseam last time, So what we'd like to do this time is take another stab at a Jim Starlin publication. So last time, like you said, conspiracy this go around, we're dipping back into the Marvel Universe and talking about.
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Infinity gauntlet.
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Yeah. Infinity gauntlet. It's. It was a 1991 series, so a couple of years after Cosmic Odyssey. And this went for six issues.
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And the art.
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You'll probably hear me sing the praises of the art more than you will, Mike, but.
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The art by George Perez and then also the art style of Ron Lim, who I am a fan of and you are not. If I remember correctly.
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There was.
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No, here. Yeah, there's no memory involved. It is a dramatic shift. It's like somebody just punched in the face with an art change.
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So I mean, they tried to make a nice segue where some of it was like George Perez penciller and with Ron Lim. And I was like, ohh, so unfortunately I don't do a whole lot of homework. I kind of go by the seat of my pants. I don't know, was there a reason why the art switched mid stream? I mean, there's only six issues. How can you not have completed?
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Six issues. Yeah, I didn't do the.
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Research either, but if I remember correctly.
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George Perez, Mr. Perez.
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Who is my favorite art? Let me just state right now. George Perez is my favorite artist in comics, so.
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You called like George.
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He can do no wrong in my eyes, whether you like him or not.
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He to me.
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Is is the ultimate artist and many will agree with me.
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Know why he switched off? I know Ron Lim, the books leading up to this series.
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Were mostly in Silver Surfer, where Ron Lynn was doing the majority of the art, so they may have given it to him just because he had been building up this storyline in the Silver Surfer series. And so they didn't want to leave him out of the big event. So I I'm I suspect there's some of that.
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Yeah, I mean there is something.
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Where I don't know if Perez would draw his issues In Sync or in continuity or whatever. There's a term for it where you know, you do page one, then you move to page 2, then you move to Page 3. But I've known of some other artists that have done it like ago, like I wanted to get to page 14 because that's the most difficult.
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Big there for C So I want to get that out of the way.
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So that I can move on to these other ones.
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That are a little bit quicker to tackle.
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So they do it out of order.
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But yeah, as the issues progressed.
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Perez's artwork it's a little more simplified. It's never bad, it's just more simplified.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. I don't remember if we had other.
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Series going on.
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Or I know he's had some thoughts.
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With his health to.
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And maybe he had some health issues at the time, right?
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True benefit of the.
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But he still looked gorgeous. So you?
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Know it's it's.
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There's that, but the two styles I think it wasn't that dramatic of a change.
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As I thought it would be like thinking about George presenter and then Ron Lim back-to-back. I expected it to be more of a of a shock to the system from one artist to the next, but to me it it Ron Lim drew a little George Perezi. If that's a word and.
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It flowed a little better now and I'm not saying that Ron limit George prices are. We're identical or anything like that, but it it seemed to me that it flowed a little better than it.
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That it would. But again, I like both artists, so if you don't like run when's art? You're gonna notice it, right?
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Away there was. It's kind of like a I don't think it was intentional, but I obviously there was a.
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Segue between you know the two where they both, you know, Ron Lim got top billing and then it was like Ron Lim and.
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I think it was on issue 5.
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Or that?
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Something like oh, this is.
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Of the series.
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Yeah, yeah, no. Well, it's all well and good. That helped kind of transition things in, but it was kind of you.
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Know present art was kind of going down a little bit leading to it then they had obviously where there was kind of a trade off of who was doing what and how many pages.
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Or somebody was doing the layout and the other person was doing the finishes. There could been a variety of things, but there's clearly some panels where it's like that's a Perez.
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Page that layout that field the detail and I think that's what it boils down to and this is something, I mean it goes back to our high school era where it's like you and I.
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Would debate about just the here.
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Level of detail.
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That Perez would put into his panels, where every brick on every wall.
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Was completely like to your point, gorgeously defined to the point where it's like. Holy crap, there's so much going on because of the everything in a page and I have all the details that you're just like, whoa, there's a lot, but Ron Lim.
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It just doesn't.
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Quite how to capture some things like how to pencil certain items, and I think as a result it kind of loses that like you know, especially like they're encased in rock and then or I think the most obvious one is there is a panel in which panel snaps his fingers.
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And causes the character to become like these little plastic building blocks like more or less Lego blocks, and in doing so it looks like are those.
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You know now and later, candies, those you know, Starbursts and it's like they're supposed to be building blocks. Oh, that doesn't quite look like building blocks. You know, if they said, like, I made you into candies. I've been like, oh, yeah, that's spot on. He did it. But it's just like.
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Good try, Ron. You know, you really got really close. Yeah.
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Quite the detail that George Perez would have.
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Done. Yeah. So it's kind of like, you know, it was where they both kind of compromised to a different level where Perez's work was starting to slow down and as a result, it wasn't as refined.
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And Ron Lim really tried to up his game. And so that though.
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I'm gonna. I'm gonna forgive you for for talking down to George. Fred like that.
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But I mean, there's clearly there's a lot of pages in here where it's it's Perez is like on target.
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Jim Starling definitely wrote this story. George Perez and Ron Lamb thinkers was Joe Rubenstein. Colorist was Christy Scheel in Laughlin with Evelyn Stein.
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Letter Jack morelli. Now we talked so much about coloring in cosmic odyssey.
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Coloring wasn't as influential for me in this story, and this is a few years after cosmic odyssey, but the coloring was still was still pretty good.
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Yeah, it was good. It was very segmented. It was almost the difference between a masterwork of like.
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Rembrandt, where there's a subtle transition that we saw in cosmic odyssey. This is more of a paint by numbers.
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Yeah, it's.
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More traditional.
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Yeah, you fill in this area with this color. You fill in this area with this color and the two don't have any sort of blend whatsoever.
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It's just plop, plop, plop.
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Solid colors everywhere. You know, there's no gradations. It's like Thanos. He's blue and gold. OK, in order to showcase blue a little bit more.
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I mean gold a little.
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Bit more we may show.
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A little tone.
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You know, tone on tone in order to get a sense of it being shiny gold, but for the most part, blue is just solid blue. His face is solid purple.
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You know, and the Fisto was just solid red. I mean, that was like an easy.
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Right.
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You know, fill up the bucket.
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Dump it in and right it is.
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What was your?
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OK, let's just jump into your overall.
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Shin of Infinity Gauntlet overall, without revealing too much.
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Yeah. And I don't wanna spoil A decades old story or some of the the MCU hasn't already covered.
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Of course we're second.
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And again again.
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Right. If you have not read the story of Infinity Gauntlet and you don't want to be spoiled.
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You've never seen any of the Marvel movies either, you know, although there's a lot of differences. We could talk about that too, you know, go back and read it and we'll just we're going to spoil it. So my apologies if you ignore it and you get spoiled.
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But yeah, overall, what did you think?
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It did have that cosmic feel, but it just lacked like the gravitas of cosmic. It had a little bit. But then there's some aspects that I was like, oh, boy, you know, this is a Thanos story which, you know, obviously, you know, he had the gauntlet.
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It was just the entire universe trying to get their hands on his mitts. So.
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It was just like a cosmic keep away.
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And I think that's what kind of boiled down to me fine story for the most part, it used a lot of characters from the Marvel Universe.
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Yeah, it's something we complained about a little bit on cosmic odyssey. How how it was such an important and important event and that you only just like 7 superheroes. Yeah. Where this one did the exact opposite. They used almost everybody they could. They certainly threw every character. And that might be.
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Or another reason why they put George Perez on. This is because he's known for his group shots. His I can use everybody in, you know, in the universe or the the story and shove them into a picture and it'll look great. So. But yeah, they definitely used everybody they could.
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And then so.
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Which is interesting also.
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Obviously this was before the MCU, so when you see the characters that did make a major contribution to the movie iteration of this story, and then you see a remarkable absence of some of those characters in.
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The Marvel verse.
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And that have a huge impact.
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On this version.
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Of the story it it I found that really interesting cause you just get so used to like, well, the Marvel Cinematic Universe was pretty good and then it's like hey, wait a minute. Where is this character and Iron Man? That's how they portray Iron Man. That seems weird. I thought he was all snarky. Robert Downey junior personified.
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Right. That was the biggest difference between the movies and the book was Iron Man was such a.
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Part of this story, you know, and then obviously the movies, in my opinion, the movies did it better than this book. Clearly you could do a lot more with a comic than you could the movies. So there are parts of the book that I wish they had used, but I understand why they didn't. But yeah. Definitely Iron Man.
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Was that a loss in the book because he was barely, barely used at all? There was no mention of a pistol in the movies.
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And yeah, he was. He was such a strong character in the first couple issues of this. And then he kind of disappeared as well.
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Yeah, it's it was strange going back to this after seeing the movies. What was available to them back then and what was available to the movie.
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Yeah, you could tell. What were, you know, who were hot topic characters in the in the universe at the time because a lot of characters made cameo appearances.
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That really didn't.
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Have much sway in the story, but it was one of those things.
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Where it's like it got people buying the.
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Comic because, oh look, Hulk.
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Is in it or. Oh.
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Look, Nova is in it or, oh, look, you know, and there's, like, characters that at that time were like, oh, they're big deals, but then.
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And that kind of leads actually to another issue I had with these is that you know, obviously there's a level of familiarity.
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And you know, wanting to wrap up his story, but Starlin.
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Helped create phanos. He helped create some of the other characters and holy crap, did he, Hugh Horn, those characters that he wanted and and the other ones kind of got.
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Yeah, some mild attention.
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Yeah, right.
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But it's like you could tell who he cherished in the Marvel Universe and who he was like assigned to incorporate. Please introduce Cyclops and Wolverine into the comic. Who's cyclops? Who's?
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Right. Yeah, exactly.
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Wolverine. Ohh. Guess I can throw them in.
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Yeah, the X-Men certainly didn't make too much of an impact on the series. Yeah, I I questioned why Cyclops was in there at all. Really, Wolverine was the only one that was interesting and and Cyclops just was background noise.
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Yeah, it was like, well, we got to sell it because there's a lot of X-Men fans out there, so we need to include them.
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Surprise right away.
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Reading the story that the story wasn't about him getting the gauntlet he had already page one, he has the gauntlet and the gems and he's just ready to go. I imagined the series would start out with him getting the stones and stuff like that. Thinking back, I was collecting Silver surfer at the time.
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And that was the primary way he was he was getting the stones, if I remember correctly. To me, it made total sense. When I read Infinity Gauntlet in the 1st place that he had all the stones. But we're doing a reread for this episode.
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I had forgotten that this wasn't about him gathering the stones at all like like.
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The movies or.
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Yeah, or.
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You know, it was, it was. He's got the gauntlet. He's ready to go being tempted by Mephisto. Kind of mephistos kind of playing the dark side role from cosmic. Got to see, you know, I'm, I'm going to gather, I'm going to tempt and can try and control this secretly, even though everybody knows I'm evil.
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And should be watching out, for me. Anyway, talk to, you know, whisper in Nathaniel's ear what he should be doing, and then he, of course he's gonna try and.
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You know that he has. He has all this power already. Page one.
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Yeah, from official could do that on his end. Why would he need the gauntlet?
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Yeah, right.
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Because like I can already do all this, I can change reality just according to my own will. So why do I need the gauntlet to do?
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This. Yeah, and I'm probably this was my first experience with my pistol of.
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I don't have a background knowledge of him being in any of the titles I collected. Maybe some, some dare.
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Even then, I didn't get into their AA lot trying to think where else I would have encountered him.
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My probably main encounter was through an older brother of mine. Had the book bring on the bad guys. It was one of those like thick trade paperbacks before trade.
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Backs were and it was the origin of various Marvel villains, so I had, like the Origins Doctor Doom, the origin of Red Skull and one of them was the origin theoretically or first appearance is what it boiled down to him. Fisto. Yeah, so that was where I encountered him. I think first was.
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Stealing away, trying to find that book without my brother's knowledge and reading, flipping through the book, and now I still kind of wish I had that book, but they go for some crazy money these days, yeah.
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All that, that whole series of like origins of Marvel Comics, son of origins of Marvel Comics, bring on the bad guys, and I think there's, like the women of Marvel, I think it.
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Was another.
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One, and I think there was.
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A third one and of course a friend of mines, got them all in hardcover. They're like the marvels fireside books, and I never knew that they came out in hardcover until I saw a friend of mine.
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Yeah, I think I've.
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One and apparently first printing. I just popped onto eBay to see what it looked like, $450 for a hardcover version of bringing the bad guy, and it's not that good of a shape.
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He still has his.
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Dust jacket, but it's not that great.
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Yeah, I have sons of origins in paperback, but it's beat up and I think I got it.
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At goodwill or something like that, but.
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Well loved. Yeah, I found.
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Like Infinity Gauntlet, it was kind of less about.
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How the movies, you know how how Thanos wanted to eliminate half the population kind of thing. It was more just about Thanos wanting to be a God and wanting power.
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You know, it was less about this morality of how the universe will survive better, you know, with less people. So the resources could, you know, be used better. But, you know, Thanos really was just.
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Maniacal person who wanted.
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To rule.
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Everything you know? Yeah, exactly. It was. It's a difference between making a sympathetic villain to a degree. You know, it's like, obviously he has some motivations in the Marvel Cinematic Universe here. Selfish goals.
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Wonderful George frazar. Did I mention that?
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I think you you alluded.
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To that effect, at some point I don't know, maybe a couple.
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More times and.
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That guy can draw. That's all I got to say. His Doctor Strange, you know, kind of looks. I don't know. Has anybody else ever drawn Doctor Strange?
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Yeah, but.
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As beautiful as George Perez.
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You know.
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I can see Pete Craig Russell. I can see Charles vests. I can, but I mean, those are people who have more of a.
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Feel feel to him anyway, but yeah, I will say, you know that there's, you know, if I ever needed someone to draw rocks. Holy crap. This dude knows how.
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To draw a rock.
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But no, he's he's phenomenal and I wouldn't say this obviously is not necessarily the peak of his perfection, his years of the Titans run. It's probably his apex. And then the the true apex is probably crisis on infinite Earths, which is, you know, he drew absolutely.
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Every character ever in the DC Multiverse, which is ridiculous, but he drew them all with a very distinct look. You knew that was again going back to some of the characters that we saw in cosmology. His Adam Strange was very much an Adam Strange, but it wasn't the same face.
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As he would have given to any other character, it was a very distinct face that, you know, the Luther from whatever Earth had the similar kind of helmet.
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Crisis on infinite Earths, but he didn't look like at him. Strange and it was just the guy knew how.
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To draw still knows how to.
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Draw, yeah.
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Great stuff. Nice balance between the chaotic and the absolute, you know, minimalism and you know, shadows and so forth trying to.
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Give a good sense of.
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The feel of what was going on in these cosmic senses, but and again ridiculous amounts of detail like every skull that's in the palace that he makes.
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You could kind of see like, OK, that's skulls upside down, that skulls sideways. That skulls on it's, you know, that they all feel like a skull and not that, like, I just drew one skull here and then a bunch of brown bowling balls right after that. So just ridiculous amount of detail.
00:22:46 Speaker 1
Silver Surfer crashes into Doctor Strange's Secret Sanctorum and I, and I think surfer does that every once in a while like.
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Of him crashing through, I mean, I know the Hulk did in.
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The movie, but.
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I think there's been a few defender issues where Surfer has crashed in that window a few times.
00:23:07 Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a classic kind of trope. If you ever want to show a threat level of extreme, you have one of the top cosmic beings.
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Being hurled around.
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And dumped, you know, rather recklessly into an environment. Like, oh, man, what could have done that to somebody of silver surfer's?
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Level this has got to be huge.
00:23:31 Speaker 1
Right. I'm sure they did that crisis too. You know, I'm sure crisis started out, probably similar to that. You know, Mega, Mega powerful character is.
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Is humbled by by some other mega powerful creature.
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You know, it just helps kind of give a sense.
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Of scale to.
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The threat? Yeah. So Thanos is dating death.
00:23:56 Speaker 2
Yeah, they go out to French dinner, you know, have a nice French restaurant, grab a some wine, a little bit of hors d'oeuvres.
00:24:05 Speaker 1
Jimmy, John's and Netflix. You think?
00:24:07 Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Hey, if you got the Infinity gonna, it's gonna be the best Jimmy John's you've ever.
00:24:13 Speaker 1
Had he's from Titan, his brother, it's it's a he's got a weird lineage where his brother is star Fox.
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And his father's mentor.
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From Titan that they're Eternals right? Am I?
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Getting that right.
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Yeah, one of those, like cosmic beans up there with like, you know, the games master and the.
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You know, other kind of like collector and some other ones of.
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That kind of like.
00:24:40 Speaker 1
Well, those are the elders of the.
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Universe. Yeah, I thought he was one of.
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Those as well that mentor.
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The gardener. The plumber? The.
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Candle stick maker.
00:24:49 Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. Cow butter. I don't know what I.
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Think our behold the cosmic being that repairs your shoes in.
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The middle of.
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The night the cobbler that you know every time I walk, water would get into the shoe. There's a hole in the bottom. Thank you, cosmic.
00:25:08 Speaker 2
Being the cobbler, you fixed it.
00:25:10 Speaker 1
But I found interesting because they do talk about where he he got the gem section if Fanhouse goes up to this thing called the Infinity. Well, so there's an Infinity Gauntlet and there's an Infinity well.
00:25:10 Speaker 2
You can put.
00:25:25 Speaker 1
Which is kind of like a cosmic viewfinder or something I don't know. And then he talks about where he got the gems from.
00:25:33 Speaker 2
This was always a conundrum. You know, obviously these are, you know, they're not called Infinity stones like they are in the MCU, they're Infinity gems. That's one big difference. But then the other difference is how did he know to assemble these and how to use them, you know, like even something simple like.
00:25:53 Speaker 2
You're not warping reality with driving a car, but you still have to go through driver's Ed. Yeah. How did Alison is? Like, you got a reality stone.
00:26:01 Speaker 2
OK, cool. Now I know how to warp all reality.
00:26:05 Speaker 1
It's one gem to bind them one gem to you know, to rule them all in the darkness.
00:26:14 Speaker 2
I just want to see one of these things that, like, somebody snuck in a mood ring stone in.
00:26:18 Speaker 2
There instead.
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Switch it out right?
00:26:21 Speaker 2
So Ohh phanos is not he's looking rather.
00:26:23 Speaker 2
Grumpy or ohh.
00:26:24 Speaker 2
He's impassioned. It's all purple in his mood ring.
00:26:29 Speaker 2
That kind of does lead to the next terribly convenient.
00:26:33 Speaker 2
Side Story about three people who all seem to have a certain body shape and size and connection happen to drive in while completely inebriated Dr. off in a car and run off a Cliff. They they die and then all of them get resurrected is.
00:26:53 Speaker 2
Characters that somehow were pre-existing characters that just happened to be in the same body styles I'm trying to I could never.
00:27:01 Speaker 2
Figure that a lot.
00:27:02 Speaker 1
Kind of. I always picture that the body is kind of morphed.
00:27:06 Speaker 1
Into. I mean it did that you kind of showed that they it kind of changed after they died into the other.
00:27:13 Speaker 1
Body type, but they were very, very similar to begin with. You're right, they.
00:27:13 Speaker 2
Yeah, amping.
00:27:17 Speaker 1
Were, yeah.
00:27:20 Speaker 2
Yeah. You know, hey, you're turning green. OK, well, that's. Yeah, that's a change. But yeah, it was A1 adult male.
00:27:28 Speaker 2
Average one adult female average and then one fat but short character that was about the right size of IMP and then all of a sudden ****, they all.
00:27:39 Speaker 2
You know return from that and good to go. Right. So yeah, that that kind of Side Story threw me off while I was reading it because I had, like, what's going on? Why, like, this whole cosmic thing is happening. And then, like, hey, let's talk about some drunk people leaving a restaurant or a bar. Gully Jones's Bar and Grill.
00:27:59 Speaker 2
It's like, what does this have to do with anything? And then it's kind of like.
00:28:04 Speaker 2
And to this day, I still can't quite figure it out, but the was it the black freighter and the Watchmen series, where it's like a completely Side Story going on that had really nothing to do with the original story.
00:28:19 Speaker 1
Oh, you mean the story that I skipped all the time after?
00:28:19 Speaker 2
I guess there's some sort of.
00:28:24 Speaker 2
Yeah, it's like, OK, thanks. Ellen Moore. He gives a second story within the story. That was fun.
00:28:31 Speaker 1
I'm sure it's good, but I've I think I've read it once.
00:28:34 Speaker 2
Yep, time to move on back to the main story. It's like a I need a commercial break. It was like.
00:28:38 Speaker 2
A sorbet to be used to be.
00:28:40 Speaker 2
If we the Watchmen story the same thing here was like, it just jumped dramatically from the Thanos talking with death to drunk people dying now back to our regular story.
00:28:52 Speaker 1
So he's trying to impress her.
00:28:55 Speaker 1
Builds this death Castle throne room floating in space and Golden Thrones. You know what else would you want to sit in other than Golden Throne?
00:29:10 Speaker 1
You know, his playing with his, I don't know, fears of not being selected by death, loved by death.
00:29:18 Speaker 1
And then brings back.
00:29:19 Speaker 1
Nebula, who turns out to be Thanos's granddaughter way different than the movie, obviously, and that was, I mean, her first appearance was in Avengers like 258 or something like that.
00:29:34 Speaker 1
As a normal human looking person.
00:29:38 Speaker 1
Alien, obviously, but she wasn't nearly as interesting as she was in.
00:29:43 Speaker 1
The movie version.
00:29:45 Speaker 1
No, she's even less interesting in this series.
00:29:51 Speaker 2
Yeah, very much a kind of like, OK, you're also having to be here. I thought you really contributed much, but you just happened to be there.
00:30:02 Speaker 1
Finally, you know halfway through the first issue, Thanos does this famous snap.
00:30:08 Speaker 1
And people disappear. Yeah. And then we we get to see the ramifications of that. And that's probably one of the few things that I liked about the well, when they went back to Earth.
00:30:18 Speaker 1
Showed the heroes and then showed what's happening to Earth while these cosmic events were happening that I found that pretty interesting. Probably more interesting than the story overall, but just because you, you know, already reading this story.
00:30:34 Speaker 1
That things will eventually get back to normal because there's no way that this series.
00:30:40 Speaker 1
Going to destroy the universe or even, you know, California wiped out, you know, and and Japan sunk under the ocean in a few pages from now. You know, that's not gonna stick. So it's it's interesting to see what Jim Sterling wanted to do knowing, you know.
00:31:00 Speaker 1
It's all going to be corrected eventually.
00:31:02 Speaker 2
Yeah, because it gave it some stakes. You know it it it added more cause. Obviously silver surfers are crashing in.
00:31:10 Speaker 2
To you know.
00:31:12 Speaker 2
Doctor Strange his place was.
00:31:13 Speaker 2
Like point #1 like. Oh crap.
00:31:16 Speaker 2
So to get this out so they've got to be at a huge level and then .2 was like, oh crap, this is even worse because now half the people are gone and like it shows how that had impact on things.
00:31:29 Speaker 2
But coincidentally, you know, even though half of the universe is gone, there's still time to watch.
00:31:36 Speaker 2
Elf on TV.
00:31:38 Speaker 1
Yeah, and the same problem I had with the movie version of the snap I have with the book version of.
00:31:46 Speaker 1
Snap in that all the main heroes survive and aren't snapped. You know, like the people you'd think Thanos would purposely make disappear and he can do that because he made his father disappear. And he even said it in in his text bubble that he.
00:32:06 Speaker 1
He particularly chose him.
00:32:08 Speaker 1
There are heroes that he chose being Thanos. He would have eliminated Silver Surfer or you know, anything anybody else. He has this infinite, you know, wisdom of of the stones. And couldn't he have just willed away all the elder Guardians and Galactus and you know.
00:32:28 Speaker 1
Initially, I mean, is that too much to ask?
00:32:33 Speaker 2
Yeah, if your threat level is this, you're.
00:32:35 Speaker 1
Out, right. Yeah. You've reached this level by Thor. You know, I know you can mess with me later. And the movies were the same way. Obviously, they wanted to keep the main actors because they were contracted to be in this movie. Anyway, if you had the ultimate power, the first thing you would have snapped would be the people that would have stopped.
00:32:54 Speaker 1
That's not be the most, you know, but.
00:32:56 Speaker 1
You know, they go through.
00:32:58 Speaker 1
You see a gorgeous church for us. Captain America. Did I mention that you really can draw?
00:33:03 Speaker 2
You know.
00:33:03 Speaker 1
Like in the Hulk. You know, I I could probably do a whole episode on the Hulk and how unimpressed I am in most versions of of the Hulk. I remember collecting the Hulk early on and loving the beast form of the Hulk just whenever he can talk.
00:33:19 Speaker 1
Yeah, and I felt this way in the movies too, like whenever he's smart, Hulk, I just lose interest in them because I find it very uninteresting.
00:33:29 Speaker 1
To have this super powered Hulk be introspective on why he should have all this power, and I just, I find him very boring when he's intelligent. I don't know. That's just me, yeah.
00:33:40 Speaker 2
There's there's plenty of other smart and incredibly strong characters. What set him apart? You know, one of those key differentiators.
00:33:49 Speaker 2
Was the fact that the stronger he got kind of the Dumber he got and the more violent and unpredictable he got? And it made him?
00:33:58 Speaker 2
Into a bit of an antihero at the same time because it's like, OK, yeah. Bruce Banner doesn't intend it to cause all this damage. He has no, but he has no control over what's happening. But it's still him and that battle he had to fight in himself.
00:34:15 Speaker 2
But then when you kind of take that struggle away, it's like you're left with kind of a bland nothing of it. It's like, OK, you made them in a hybrid of both Bruce Banner and The Hulk.
00:34:29 Speaker 2
Then it's just, yeah, it's just a strong and smart character.
00:34:34 Speaker 1
And I do remember because I read Silver Surfer and directions, and it's so much and his his gold to kill Thanos and how much power drives head. I kept imagining in this series the drags would matter even minutely more than he did in this story.
00:34:53 Speaker 1
Yeah, really. He was just the background character, too. He he didn't do squat. Really. Yeah. I was surprised at how little.
00:35:02 Speaker 1
After all this build up that he really was not part of the story cover of issue two was great because it kind of reminded me of covers in the past where they they have a a list of of heroes, you know, even like the X-Men where they the famous X-Men.
00:35:21 Speaker 1
Cover where?
00:35:23 Speaker 1
Days of Future Past where they have the the covers that are the pictures in the background, you know some are eliminated so they have access through them or wanted or deceased, you know written on there cover of issue too. You know has a list of heroes that have disappeared from the snap.
00:35:25 Speaker 2
We wanted.
00:35:38 Speaker 1
I thought I love.
00:35:39 Speaker 1
That, of course, George has made it wonderful.
00:35:43 Speaker 2
I will agree with the exception of one thing you know. Obviously, Captain America is clenching his **** cheeks, but something's gone wrong with.
00:35:51 Speaker 2
She hulk's ****.
00:35:54 Speaker 1
Well, she doesn't.
00:35:54 Speaker 2
And I'm not trying.
00:35:55 Speaker 1
She doesn't have America's ***, you know.
00:35:55 Speaker 2
To be.
00:35:58 Speaker 2
Yeah, but my goodness, it's just as rounded because of the the inking. It just there's not a a semblance of the secondary cheek, if you would. So it just looks like he's.
00:36:09 Speaker 2
Got a loaded diaper?
00:36:10 Speaker 1
Right. Well, gamma rays will do that to you sometimes.
00:36:14 Speaker 2
Yep. Or maybe she was so shocked by who all left, she just couldn't control and just poop. Ohh nuts.
00:36:21 Speaker 2
Yeah, it was interesting. Like you said, there's a lot of second tier characters, you know, with the exception of like the entire Fantastic Four was wiped out. Yeah, that's.
00:36:32 Speaker 1
Right.
00:36:33 Speaker 2
You know, because it's like, you know, Reed Richards is on one side, 2 storms in the upper, but other on the right side. And then things kind of halfway down on the left side. And he went torches at the very bottom and the.
00:36:44 Speaker 2
Right side.
00:36:46 Speaker 2
So it's like, OK, you got four of them and all four of them are gone.
00:36:50 Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. Later on they have a interior page of.
00:36:54 Speaker 1
Of who's disappeared. And that's so I was going to ask you like, out of out of everybody that they showed who surprised you, that was gone, that they could have used in the story. My my impression was fantastic for it too. So I wondered if.
00:37:09 Speaker 1
You have any other?
00:37:10 Speaker 2
And there I think some of them were more about like.
00:37:14 Speaker 2
I know who this person is.
00:37:17 Speaker 2
So like their absence made zero like Diamond Lil, I I don't know who that character is, nor do I know who wind here is.
00:37:27 Speaker 1
Yeah, I didn't.
00:37:28 Speaker 1
Know you weren't sure? Sure, was he?
00:37:30 Speaker 1
There I.
00:37:30 Speaker 1
The entire alpha flight was gone. I mean that right away, I think. Ohh no.
00:37:36 Speaker 2
Yeah. Sorry, Canada, you're out of luck.
00:37:40 Speaker 2
The whole upper part of the North American continent completely undefended. Yeah, cause you had both. Well, I guess Aurora would technically still be around true.
00:37:53 Speaker 2
So I will say that I don't know if this was just a rush, but it didn't quite feel as if this was a Perez collection of characters. The bottom, you know, Captain America looked Perez, but a lot of these look like boy, did somebody, he just kind of like, OK, fill this in with photos of all these characters if you can.
00:38:12 Speaker 2
Find something, but not a lot of them felt like that was a Perez version of that character.
00:38:19 Speaker 1
Yeah, I never. I never noticed that before. But yeah, you're right there. Somebody else did. Did the inclusions of this of the characters inside, you know?
00:38:29 Speaker 2
Yeah, probably had. And I don't know if Perez was using a lot of ghost artists at that time at all. I don't know how familiar it is, but.
00:38:37 Speaker 2
I know like.
00:38:37 Speaker 2
A lot of.
00:38:38 Speaker 2
The image character or image artists had other people doing a lot of the background drawings and fill in certain key details so that they could focus on just doing what they wanted to draw and then.
00:38:50 Speaker 2
Have an underling finish it off, so I kind of wonder if this was somewhat like, OK, that's what the Marvel bullpen is for.
00:38:57 Speaker 2
You know, fill in these gaps. It's not that important because we can kind of exclude it. As I was saying. Oh, yeah, that's, you know, that's just archival imagery. That's why it looks like that. It's not meant to look like prizes, art.
00:39:11 Speaker 1
A couple of pages before that there was this astral page where Doctor Strange meets Adam Warlock. There's a couple pages of him talking. Actually, I thought those two pages were gorgeous. Like, I love the just the outline, the the way George did those pages.
00:39:31 Speaker 1
Yeah, I could stare at those all day.
00:39:33 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And there was a lot where it has that not full Ditko. You know the Fang to mouths where he was walking through those portals. But there's some elements of that here or there where there's just circles and paths leaving into other circles and paths. A lot of Kirby dots it was.
00:39:53 Speaker 2
But it definitely had a very, you know, you felt as if this was like, Yep, he stepped out of his body.
00:39:59 Speaker 1
And away he went. I I really wish Star Fox had a bigger part too. He was more of a witness and then we cut to what I wanted to talk about was the High Father Counsel.
00:40:12 Speaker 1
Or whatever the the the old part squad.
00:40:18 Speaker 2
Yeah, the the high ups of the various pantheons.
00:40:21 Speaker 1
Right kind of made me laugh. You know, they all gather around and then these all powerful father had figures from history. You know Zeus of Manitou.
00:40:33 Speaker 1
And Odin, of course. Odin. You know who supposedly has the site where he can see all things. So he seems really surprised that he didn't see this kind of stuff. I'm thinking you.
00:40:44 Speaker 1
Know well, good.
00:40:45 Speaker 1
Are you, you know you, you've been around centuries and centuries. You can't see that the universe is about to end and.
00:40:52 Speaker 1
And then they get trapped. Later on they get trapped on between dimensions, or, you know they can't cross dimensions. They get trapped and they're taken out of the fight, basically, which I thought was really lame.
00:41:07 Speaker 2
Yeah, I'm also kind of curious though, like how many of these characters were developed to just kind of give a brown?
00:41:17 Speaker 2
To this pantheon or gathering of heads of Pantheons, because it's like Zeus. I've seen him in the Marvel Universe already, but the main God it's zem.
00:41:29 Speaker 2
Has he ever appeared in any other Marvel comic?
00:41:34 Speaker 1
Right, probably. I mean, there's been so much stories and I'm sure they've they've been from somewhere, but you never.
00:41:42 Speaker 1
Know and they they kind of are building up with quasar. They they had them in a couple of panels now him and him. And I don't know his ego.
00:41:53 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, the the weird.
00:41:55 Speaker 2
Planet looking thing. It's ego is ego. Or is it eon? I think it is ego.
00:41:58
All right.
00:42:00 Speaker 2
Because there's a.
00:42:01 Speaker 1
Yeah. Then June makes June makes an appearance.
00:42:06 Speaker 1
Fights the Silver Surfer, then Adam Warlock makes appearance finally, but I mean it's supposed to be a revelation. You know that this is the first time Adam Warlock shows up in the series, but it's a great panel by George Perez. Of course, I had to say that, but you know, there's there wasn't a surprise shocker that.
00:42:26 Speaker 2
I will say, and I don't know if you're familiar with this guy, there are some, you know, aspects when Perez draws Doctor Strange that he looks very Frank Zappa.
00:42:37 Speaker 1
Thank. Thank you for saying that because I I looked at Doctor Strange and I and I couldn't figure out who he looked like.
00:42:46 Speaker 2
Yeah. What reminds me of somebody and they just hit me because of the long, long face. They're very long nose. It's like, Dang, it. Does that not look like Frank Zappa?
00:42:56 Speaker 1
Yeah, you're right. Now they say that that's exactly who I kept trying to figure out who you look.
00:43:01 Speaker 1
Like, yeah, there's a very Frank Zappa.
00:43:05 Speaker 2
You know the the panel where panels is having.
00:43:09 Speaker 2
His quote UN quote. Like he says. Hey, look at this. OK. I can do. I can do this. And look what I can do. I can do this. Is there some sort of Japanese kind of influence on what's going on with the Star Fox's character and Nebula?
00:43:26 Speaker 1
That's funny because on my notes it says Starling has read too much tentacle.
00:43:35 Speaker 1
So yes, I believe you're right. Yeah, I I got very uncomfortable looking at those panels.
00:43:42 Speaker 2
Yeah. It's like moving on, moving on.
00:43:45 Speaker 2
Nothing to see here, right?
00:43:48 Speaker 2
Yeah. And just I love the the aspect of like, you know, the various forms of torture that he.
00:43:54 Speaker 2
You know did.
00:43:56 Speaker 2
You know, regale the people with of, like, I'm breaking into pieces this way or I'm unraveling you like this.
00:44:02 Speaker 2
So it just kind of helps showcase the power he has. I know that this is a form of galactus's ship and I'm a huge Galactus fan, no pun intended, but there's something about curvy's interpretation of Galactus's ship that was almost like a Mobius strip that I I much preferred, you know.
00:44:23 Speaker 2
Orb. I don't know what happened. I wasn't. You know, as much as I like to think, I like Galactus there. It was probably some sort of story that was like, yeah, that ship gone away. This was what he's got now. This is a summer cruising ship. Takes it out for a joy ride. Here, there.
00:44:41 Speaker 2
I put on shirts on it only in the summer time. You know the rest of the time. I just.
00:44:45 Speaker 1
Leave it in the garage. You know, we're 60. Whatever pages into the series. And finally Tony Stark shows up. It's definitely different than the movie version, and I'm not sure I'm crazy.
00:44:59 Speaker 1
Well, I I don't dare say this.
00:45:00 Speaker 1
But about George Perez's version?
00:45:03 Speaker 1
Of Iron Man, I'm.
00:45:04 Speaker 2
Not, I mean, his costumes.
00:45:06 Speaker 2
Are really difficult to capture.
00:45:08 Speaker 2
And I think it's just a.
00:45:09 Speaker 2
Matter of like you know, is it really skin tight?
00:45:12 Speaker 2
To him, is it are these layers?
00:45:14 Speaker 2
Like a mech.
00:45:15 Speaker 2
Wrap around them. One thing that does throw it off for me though is press.
00:45:21 Speaker 2
Drawing eyes.
00:45:22 Speaker 2
Poles and he probably has them. I mean obviously press is drawn Iron Man for ages and when he's doing The Avengers comic, the one thing about like having eyeballs that close to that faceplate is that his nose has gotta be mashed right against it just squashed flat. And it's like OK, you know, engage life support.
00:45:42 Speaker 2
Because I cannot breathe with this thing on, I forgot it was this taking place after a point where the Android human torch came.
00:45:52 Speaker 2
Around cause like obj.
00:45:53 Speaker 2
See all the Fantastic Four was gone. So this is the return of the Android.
00:45:59 Speaker 1
Yeah, in the West Coast.
00:46:00 Speaker 1
Avengers. He returned and was part of.
00:46:02 Speaker 2
But yeah, but it leads to the fact that, you know, if you were just coming to this book cold, you'd be absolutely like, I don't know who these.
00:46:12 Speaker 2
Characters are and. Why is there?
00:46:15 Speaker 2
Any importance to me? You know, it's like, OK, you know, some of them you might know due to the, you know affiliation they.
00:46:21 Speaker 2
Have in the movies.
00:46:22 Speaker 2
Currently but.
00:46:24 Speaker 2
They don't really Starland doesn't do a great job, kind of like spelling.
00:46:29 Speaker 2
Who these characters are. So if you thought like, huh? I only know of one human torch. And that was from the Fantastic Four. Who's this? Yahoo, you know? And if you didn't happen to go, like, ohh yeah. They brought back the original human torch from World War 2, you know, recently or like they they did. What? Who? It's very difficult.
00:46:49 Speaker 2
Especially when you have an ensemble book like this. But.
00:46:53 Speaker 2
At least give some names and I'm going to throw a completely different analogy in one of the things.
00:47:00 Speaker 2
That as much as I'm maybe not.
00:47:02 Speaker 2
Necessarily, the biggest fan of these, but the original Star Wars series you walked out of that First Star Wars movie knowing the names of the characters.
00:47:14 Speaker 2
You know the original Star Wars, not one. It was called a New Hope, but now it's called.
00:47:18 Speaker 2
The new.
00:47:18 Speaker 2
Hope you knew the characters Han and.
00:47:20 Speaker 2
You knew Luke?
00:47:21 Speaker 2
But then when they did the.
00:47:22 Speaker 2
Prequels you only knew.
00:47:24 Speaker 2
Obi-wan and Qui-gon, and maybe Anakin and Padme.
00:47:29 Speaker 2
To a lesser degree, PADME.
00:47:31 Speaker 2
But all the other characters, everybody else that showed up, good luck trying to remember their names because they never really gave them names all those years later. Sweet Moses. Are you an Angel? Ah, why are we getting off on this topic? We've got plenty of comic books to talk about.
00:47:40
OK.
00:47:49 Speaker 1
We'll save that for the Star Wars episode.
00:47:53 Speaker 2
You have to talk to you about some of the things that I heard from my time that I got to go to Skywalker Ranch, you know, elaborate on that.
00:47:59 Speaker 1
Right, yes.
00:48:03 Speaker 1
But back to the book. So we get into episode or issue 3 and one thing about this cover, you know it's it's a good cover. All the heroes are attacking you know, coming towards the viewer the reader. One thing I I didn't mention earlier, but I have my notes out of all the characters.
00:48:23 Speaker 1
That George Perez draws? I don't like his Spiderman. One bit it. It's just it doesn't. It doesn't flow like the others do. Like his Captain America's great. It's Wolverine's really cool. Scarlet witch.
00:48:38 Speaker 1
But as Spiderman, I always have to stop and look at it and think why?
00:48:41 Speaker 1
Don't I like this?
00:48:43 Speaker 1
And I can't. I never put my finger on why, but I don't like the way he draws Spiderman.
00:48:49 Speaker 2
Yeah. What I would suspect is that on all the.
00:48:54 Speaker 2
Other characters, they're.
00:48:55 Speaker 2
Costuming, especially if it's a skin tight.
00:48:59 Speaker 2
Is affected by the body like you look at Wolverine right next to Spiderman, that kind of dark brown. There's a lot of shadows, but then it's highlighted with the Brown and the same with you. You see muscle tone. You see shadow even on the thighs. And there's a lot of shadow. There's a lot of, you know, interplay between lights and darks.
00:49:18 Speaker 2
And in the Spiderman's costume, he sacrificed.
00:49:22 Speaker 2
All the shadow.
00:49:23 Speaker 2
So that you could.
00:49:24 Speaker 2
See all.
00:49:25 Speaker 2
Having, yeah, so if.
00:49:27 Speaker 2
You look at like where his knees go, right?
00:49:29 Speaker 2
Into the boots, if you.
00:49:31 Speaker 2
Would all that.
00:49:32 Speaker 2
Shadowing he puts into the the you know the pins, the knees down to the shins.
00:49:37 Speaker 2
Just dies and it's just, it's just him drawing webs and it's.
00:49:42 Speaker 2
Like it loses.
00:49:43 Speaker 2
All the dimensionality, it just becomes incredibly flat, so it just kind of it takes you out like he also goes from three dimensions to two dimensions on the same drawing and some of it is like a weird.
00:49:54 Speaker 1
That's it. Thank you.
00:49:58 Speaker 2
Amalgam of like, I don't know what's going on scale wise and who's like parts of their bodies are in front of other people, but the proportions are off like some of Adam Warlock's like. Oh, I guess it's not. That's really Thors Cape though. That's the downside of using the same color.
00:50:16 Speaker 2
For the two capes. But then it's like you look and it's like Iron Man's legs are hiding behind Thors, Cape. But Thor looks like he's further back than Iron Man. And granted, yeah, there's some forced perspective of Iron Man coming more towards you, but there's some weirdness going on in.
00:50:35 Speaker 2
A lot of the.
00:50:36 Speaker 2
Characters seem like.
00:50:39 Speaker 2
It's like I needed to put all these characters on the cover and I started by drawing it Adam Warlock and then I'm just like and then I drew the next person next to him and then I'm just kind of squeezing these characters wherever I can.
00:50:50 Speaker 2
And unfortunately, Captain America, ironically, at least in the copies I got, have that 50 years of Captain America in the bottom logo.
00:50:59 Speaker 2
Like right on his chest. Like, wow. That's convenient. Advertisement. Yeah. It's almost like he's saying like, yeah, darn straight. I got 50 years under my belt. I'm Captain America, man.
00:51:10 Speaker 1
Did I say I like this cover cause now?
00:51:12 Speaker 1
I hate this cover.
00:51:15 Speaker 1
So book three, we're still talking about heroes are kind of gathering, trying to get a plan together. We have a brief snippet of Black Widow saving someone from a fire and then failing to save another person. And then we get like, the battle plan ready. And I do like this.
00:51:34 Speaker 1
Version better than cosmic odyssey, where they gather the strongest they can find, you know? Yeah, who they think can actually.
00:51:44 Speaker 1
Really do some damage, you know, they and they gather not, you know, six of the heroes, they gather, you know, 20 of the heroes. Yeah. And it seems like they take this a lot more seriously than than cosmic address he did, but I'm not sure with all these brains in the group. I'm pretty sure they could have come up with a better plan than a frontal assault.
00:52:04 Speaker 1
And the plan that they they ended up with, you know like really that was your plan all along. You know, I I can't.
00:52:11 Speaker 1
With Doom there and that they couldn't come up with something better than their plan that they did like Adam or like, not a genius, he's he's just he's just not that smart because that plan sucked. I mean basically add a morlock's plan is to distract him enough to where he'll race his hand up for two seconds.
00:52:33 Speaker 1
So the surfer can race across the universe to try and grab it. Is that am I missing something here? That's the plan.
00:52:39 Speaker 2
No, no, no, unfortunately not. It's just like I said at the onset of this, you know, recap of this series, it's a galactic keep away.
00:52:51 Speaker 2
Yeah, you know, it's capture the flag on a cosmic level and it's like, OK, OK, we're going to go use this tactic, and we're going to, we're going to send a lot of paintball guns over this way. And you know, it's just like, come on, you've.
00:53:04 Speaker 2
Got like when he pulls.
00:53:06 Speaker 2
All of these in like eternity for heaven sake is eternity.
00:53:12 Speaker 2
There, why couldn't they just say, OK, you guys step into the fray and.
00:53:17 Speaker 2
Do it right.
00:53:18 Speaker 2
Cannot fathom the power level that they get.
00:53:22 Speaker 2
Leathered and more or less didn't use any of them and instead said like the Hulk. I think you got this.
00:53:29 Speaker 1
Right, right. And that's what when you see this last page of all the deities, I guess they call them of the universe. You know you have the living tribunal, Galactus, the stranger, love and hate.
00:53:30
You know.
00:53:44 Speaker 1
Celestials, Lord Chaos and you know eternity. If Cronos the Titan God of time, could doesn't that mean he could stop time? You could snag the gauntlet from Dennis's hand.
00:53:58 Speaker 1
And call it a day, right? It almost seemed like Jim Sterling was saying yes, I know all these people could stop Thanos. No problem. But you know, I I guess right. I mean, my characters to do it. And I got three more issues to fill.
00:54:12 Speaker 2
Need my.
00:54:13 Speaker 2
Characters to do it.
00:54:18 Speaker 1
And I understand, I understand. I understand that there's, you know, you want the Infinity gallon to be the ultimate.
00:54:25 Speaker 1
Weapon. But come on. I mean, you have people that can control time and stop time. And yes, danos can do that too. And like I said earlier, and if Thanos wanted the initial snap, he could have erased all these guys and not having had anything to worry about too. So it goes both ways. Like I in my mind.
00:54:46 Speaker 1
Thanos could have prevented any of this from happening with just the forethought and then these guys could have prevented anything from happening just by saying, hey, OK, we're done here. You know, let me have the gauntlet back.
00:54:58 Speaker 1
So I mean, I realize it's there's got to be a story, but it took me, it took me out.
00:55:04 Speaker 1
Of the out of.
00:55:05 Speaker 1
The story when I saw these all these people and I thought, you know, any of these people could have stopped Thanos in my mind.
00:55:12 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And yet I'm I'm reminded of in the early days of.
00:55:18 Speaker 2
A A YouTube series called.
00:55:21 Speaker 2
How it should have ended, yeah.
00:55:22 Speaker 2
They had the Lord of the Rings and I thought ohh my gosh, this makes so much sense but.
00:55:28 Speaker 2
Was like if the Eagles at the end of the Lord of the Rings came and picked up Frodo and Sam Wise, couldn't they just dropped them off and it's like, you know, and they the how it should have ended to give them the credit that they're due had that very clever thing of them literally flying the birds over Mount Doom and then just dropping it like a basketball.
00:55:49 Speaker 2
Whoop. It's like, wow, that was easy. You know, it's like, Can you imagine what would happen if we actually had?
00:55:55 Speaker 2
To walk all the way over.
00:55:56 Speaker 2
Here. Yeah. And I thought that is so brilliant. It would have completely sidelined 3 novels.
00:56:06 Speaker 2
Had it done in the.
00:56:07 Speaker 2
Heart. But it was like ohh my gosh, that solved everything and the same thing happens here. It's like you've got the Eagles right here that could have delivered that gauntlet back into the hero's hands. Any one of them could have. But they're like, no, we're going to send the photo in same ways and it's like, OK.
00:56:25 Speaker 1
Yeah, good point.
00:56:27 Speaker 1
And that's, I mean, like I said, I realize there's gotta be a story to it, and you just gotta go up with a way for it to work it out. So you have, you know, six issues to fill. But and I did. And I did enjoy. Once the battle started with these, you know, super beans and then I was, I did enjoy that that issue where it was just all battle.
00:56:47 Speaker 1
And they just duped it.
00:56:48 Speaker 1
Out and you could see different different things channels to to stop them or or how they tried to. No, I I enjoyed that.
00:56:57 Speaker 2
Ohh FYI, so if you wanna do a little time traveling back to when we were referring to quasars, floating planet Sidekick. Yeah, it's actually epoch or Olympic.
00:57:07 Speaker 1
Epic. Epic.
00:57:10 Speaker 1
OK, so it's not eon or ego.
00:57:10 Speaker 2
Yeah, nor.
00:57:15 Speaker 2
Which I should have known it wasn't ego because that was in the guardians of the.
00:57:15 Speaker 3
And we.
00:57:18 Speaker 2
Galaxy ego the living planet.
00:57:20 Speaker 1
The next cool thing that happens is Thanos makes basically a clone of himself and calls it love.
00:57:28 Speaker 2
Yeah, narcissistic much.
00:57:30 Speaker 1
Surrexit ya the terrible who looks just like him, but female is about as annoying as that.
00:57:37 Speaker 2
Yeah, the threat level is definitely it diminishes as a result. You know it's like you could have you could create anything, yeah.
00:57:45 Speaker 2
Of the ultimate wish generating option. You know what I'd like to make a lady that looks just like me.
00:57:53 Speaker 1
Right. And again, here's here's my my qualm about power level. You have a being called death and just ticked her off. Or maybe you haven't.
00:58:06 Speaker 1
You know, she doesn't show any emotion or anything like that. Like, couldn't death stop Thanos? You know, she's the one that gave him more power. Couldn't she take it away?
00:58:17 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it goes back to like, you know, some of the issues I have with the current iterations of Green Lantern.
00:58:24 Speaker 2
Because at one point the if I remember.
00:58:28 Speaker 2
The Green Lantern's power wasn't from the central battery. It was from the guardians that charged the central battery, and then they got their power through that. I may have been wrong, but I was interpreted it that way. It's like they.
00:58:40 Speaker 1
Yeah, gone back and forth.
00:58:41 Speaker 2
Could turn it on. Turn it off honestly. Like if he's got the mind.
00:58:47 Speaker 2
Stone should give him, like infinite wisdom or infinite understanding or whatever.
00:58:52 Speaker 2
Where it is.
00:58:53 Speaker 2
But if she's the personification of death, there's not a whole lot of room. She's not the personification of jealousy. She's not the personification of love. She's she has none of those attributes, because the only thing that she is is death. So why is he like, oh, I'm gonna make her jealous? I'm gonna. It's like it's not in her. In in that one.
00:59:13 Speaker 2
The way I feel like sterling kind.
00:59:15 Speaker 2
Captured it, but if Thanos was that smart in having possession of the mind stone.
00:59:22 Speaker 2
One would think he.
00:59:23 Speaker 2
Would be. Why didn't he not realize that there's no way to win her over because she's is incapable? She's flat out not. It's not possible.
00:59:33 Speaker 1
Uh, the watcher? Really annoying. Am I right?
00:59:36 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. And kind of like kind of lackluster, you know, for a being that's not supposed to meddle in the affairs of people. Thus the term, you know, watcher kind of defines what he's.
00:59:51 Speaker 2
To do it's kind of like. OK, yeah, you just stand there and just kind of seems like you kind of lost some of that by, you know, just being present. You're watching things. It's like, OK, got it. That's your name. He's not called the doer. He's just the watcher.
00:59:58
It would be.
01:00:05 Speaker 1
And then issue.
01:00:06 Speaker 1
Four, we get the big fight battle that we've all dreamed.
01:00:12 Speaker 1
Of all the.
01:00:13 Speaker 2
And unfortunately this is where it switches over and says Ron Lim and George Perez.
01:00:20 Speaker 1
Yeah, sudden suddenly Ron Limar.
01:00:23 Speaker 1
Right away, you gotta be pretty psyched about that.
01:00:24 Speaker 2
Right. Yeah, it it's, it's definitely Ron Lim, you know, I mean key moments where it's like that's Perez and then there's key moments where that just happened that big.
01:00:38 Speaker 2
Rod, like wrapping that one.
01:00:40 Speaker 2
And it's it is page by page because there are some where the pages are clearly all Perez and then another page is like that's.
01:00:47
OK.
01:00:50 Speaker 1
Yeah. And for some reason, Thanos limited his power so he could have a fair fight or whatever with the heroes and I and I enjoyed the battle. You know, some of it was like, whatever. But for the most part, it was a fun battle to watch. And he could kill heroes off because you knew eventually they would all be back.
01:01:10 Speaker 1
So he could. He took out, you know, submariner and she haul Thor and Doom. You know, he he fights all these guys.
01:01:18 Speaker 1
I get stabbed by Wolverine and so there's a big battle. I enjoyed it for the most.
01:01:22 Speaker 2
Part they kind of like there are none of them are that effective because they're not all like, let's attack them all simultaneously at once. You know, it's like Iron Man. You shoot them, Cyclops, you shoot him, Wolverine. You stab them, Hulk.
01:01:37 Speaker 2
And Drax, you punch and we're just gonna make one like on three.
01:01:42 Speaker 2
123 do it.
01:01:44 Speaker 2
You know, and it's like.
01:01:44
Right.
01:01:45 Speaker 2
Nope. One at a time.
01:01:47 Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. The superhero of trope of the battle where you gotta show each hero attack.
01:01:48 Speaker 2
Got it one at a time.
01:01:54 Speaker 1
You know, panel wise it's cooler to see them one at a time than than all at once, but.
01:02:01 Speaker 2
Yeah. And there is again, you know the difference between how Ron Lynn would do something and how George Perez would do something. Page where Thanos blows up Cloak and we emerges.
01:02:13 Speaker 2
You know it's Thanos, but he's just straight on. There's no like, let's do a bird's eye view or let's look, you know, up at him. Like, holy crap, this guy's a mammoth. He's like.
01:02:25 Speaker 2
Fully returned and his back is all arch and.
01:02:29 Speaker 2
I mean, this goes back to how to draw comics the Marvel Way. And you know, it's like you can have a character stand that's fine, but, you know, would be even better. Bow the legs out and have the back arched. And yes, boom. Now the character has presence. This one is just him going like my pits. Don't.
01:02:49 Speaker 2
Think and that's pretty much all he's saying and it's like.
01:02:53 Speaker 2
Ah, opportunity lost. And then to have like, you know, there's weird and kind of lazy glow around the Infinity Gauntlet.
01:03:03 Speaker 2
It's like.
01:03:04 Speaker 2
Kirby Dots are an amazing when used effectively, this was not that used. This looks more.
01:03:10 Speaker 2
Like he grabbed a.
01:03:11 Speaker 2
Keita pelt. What is that? A little Little Miss?
01:03:15 Speaker 2
Opportunity. But again, a very definitive difference between Ron Lim and you know, George Perez.
01:03:23 Speaker 2
Perez probably had decades more experience than Huddle, Leo Page Ron Lim was still.
01:03:29 Speaker 2
We use, you know, good and it's consistent, but it's just kind of.
01:03:36 Speaker 1
Captain America Shield gets destroyed, just like in the movies. I thought that was kind of cool. And then Silver Surfer had one job.
01:03:44 Speaker 1
Fun job in this whole series and he blew it. I was pretty disappointed in that plot line.
01:03:51 Speaker 2
And it was like it was one of those things where it's a carryover from the previous issue. So this is a build up, this is, I don't know if you were.
01:04:00 Speaker 2
Ever watching Dragon Ball Z?
01:04:02 Speaker 2
But it's like I'm powering up and it took.
01:04:06 Speaker 2
Episodes for Goku to get it up to level 9000 or whatever. Just.
01:04:12 Speaker 2
Increasing power, increasing power, increasing power, and just as you know, you're waiting for something to happen. And then finally, it took two episodes or three episodes of finally for Goku.
01:04:22 Speaker 2
To release that power.
01:04:24 Speaker 2
And you're like, there going this is a slow moving storyline and then nothing happened from it. It's like all that build up and ultimately nothing and the same thing happened here is like.
01:04:35 Speaker 2
You know, Silver Surfer was sidelined for how long? And ultimately nothing happened. Silver Surfer, cosmic being power cosmic. I mean, he has a thing called the power cosmic, literally flying in to grab an item he couldn't manipulate time, space.
01:04:56 Speaker 2
Ever and just have extricated the glove off of his hand.
01:05:02 Speaker 1
I thought his only power was surfing.
01:05:02 Speaker 2
In any of the wise.
01:05:04 Speaker 2
Surfing. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean in your title, it's that. So he's just like, this is like a relay race that just went horribly wrong. It's, like, passed the baton. Ohh. I missed the baton. Well, no, I'm.
01:05:19 Speaker 2
Lost in orbit? Yeah. So. And that, was it, Silver surfer power. Cosmic zoom doesn't fly by. That's it. And then it's like I I sent you out there at a Morlock and Adam Warlock responds. It's like, wait a minute. How did Thanos know that Adam Warlock?
01:05:39 Speaker 2
Was out there cause I thought that was the whole reason why they stood all the way across the universe.
01:05:45 Speaker 2
Was so that he wouldn't be detected, so gaps in logic. But then it goes to like your key point, which I think you know you were elaborating on earlier is here's Thanos and then there's all the cosmic beings kind of standing next to each other conveniently and overo. And it's like, yes.
01:06:06 Speaker 2
Finally, we're gonna get some real cosmic battles between.
01:06:09 Speaker 2
Thanos and his infinite power against infinite beings. But that does lead to what the same scratch is that in the upper right corner I understood who all these other characters are. But there's like a weird funk of dew like spaceship going on.
01:06:25 Speaker 1
Well, that's galactus.
01:06:27 Speaker 2
But earlier it was just the ball.
01:06:30 Speaker 1
Yeah, but he can change it to look however he wants. And that was a different artist. Mike. Come on.
01:06:35 Speaker 2
That's true, yeah.
01:06:37 Speaker 1
This is Ron smart.
01:06:38 Speaker 2
Yep. And it. Yeah, it definitely kind of shows Ron landmark.
01:06:44 Speaker 1
I mean, we see Thanos getting attacked by Mephisto, and did I imagine it, or did even death start attacking him? And I guess.
01:06:53 Speaker 2
Yeah, she shows up and it's like you betray me, too. I have to do the universe. No.
01:06:54 Speaker 1
Ohh yes.
01:06:58 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, there's the big picture where he says no, and death is a kind of attack just so.
01:07:03 Speaker 2
Kind of little black. Yeah, black glass lines.
01:07:05 Speaker 1
So he defeats death and everyone else.
01:07:09 Speaker 1
That he could possibly defeat. It's going right for him and then he defeats even eternity. And of course, you know, I guess they use that as as a a plot point anyway. Like Thanos defeats Eternity and then he's so above everything else that he doesn't realize he's now vulnerable.
01:07:30 Speaker 1
You know, like they use that to his advantage, which I kind of.
01:07:34 Speaker 2
Like, yeah, but which came first this or Aladdin, Disney's Aladdin of, you know, unlimited cosmic power. Is anybody living space?
01:07:46 Speaker 1
Nebula finally makes the play. She's gets the gauntlet. Thanos is it, you know, stupid for not having done anything about her. I don't know. Other than that, you know, like once that big battle is over, you know, Nebula gets the gauntlet and I could care less, like, even more about the series.
01:08:05 Speaker 1
It's it's it's like.
01:08:06 Speaker 1
It's like.
01:08:07 Speaker 1
OK, that's great.
01:08:09 Speaker 2
Yeah. Again, it's like what another quandary is like if Thanos made this woman in his image and basically, you know, was like, I want a female version of.
01:08:20 Speaker 2
Herself. Why is she like constantly cringing and whimpering at his feet? It's like, wouldn't she be reveling in the, you know, the destruction and everything that he likes? She would.
01:08:33 Speaker 1
Like, yeah, they they lost an opportunity of actually making her interesting.
01:08:38 Speaker 2
Yeah, a legitimate character of some sort, yeah.
01:08:38
Let's see.
01:08:42 Speaker 1
Like you could almost see if she grabbed the gauntlet instead of Nebula.
01:08:45 Speaker 2
Yeah, you made her too much like him. Yeah, that she even carried his ambitions.
01:08:52 Speaker 2
As like you know it, it goes back to some of the like Etherian Legend of.
01:08:56 Speaker 2
Like I can't.
01:08:57 Speaker 2
Remember what series it was, but we are the creators of our own downfall of something along those lines where.
01:09:03 Speaker 2
It's like you know.
01:09:05 Speaker 2
Merlin had Morgana that you know, he helped her along, and then Arthur had Mordred.
01:09:13 Speaker 2
And that was his undoing. It's like they all created their own ultimate end, and the same thing here would have been great. It's like he is undone by something he thought would have been his, you know, his masterpiece of making himself. But even he turned traitors. I mean, he's even got the glove ready to go for it cause he's.
01:09:32 Speaker 2
Got the same.
01:09:33 Speaker 2
Costuming it would be easy for her to slip that right on, but instead it's like, yeah, missed opportunity to have nebula kind of like in her scaly, you know, crypt keeper, you know, from the tales from the crypt appearance.
01:09:49 Speaker 2
Like you know, getting the gauntlet and then recreating herself, it's.
01:09:55 Speaker 2
Like oh, OK.
01:09:58 Speaker 1
And then Nebula, you know, we get basically.
01:10:02 Speaker 1
Start from scratch. We get a new battle against Nebula this time rather than than Thanos, Thanos teams up with the good guys. I become more bored with this back to normal like she snaps her hand. Things go back to the way they were so that.
01:10:13 Speaker 1
Things go bad things.
01:10:22 Speaker 1
She she kind of saves everybody.
01:10:25 Speaker 1
Saves the day. She gets no love from anyone you know, like she is really the hero of the story because she reverts everything back. You know, the population is back here is back to normal, gets no love from anybody. Suddenly the cosmic beings are back and they Duke it out again. Tell me how she survives against everybody.
01:10:46 Speaker 1
But she's a lesser person than Thanos.
01:10:49 Speaker 2
And when you're a being who you know basically has craved these gems all this time has learned their powers has been able to harness their powers had the gone.
01:11:01 Speaker 2
He just grabs it and it's like, OK, you know, again, going back to my analogy of a driving a car, you're Mario Andretti. You've been driving and practicing the use of this car for ages you've mastered.
01:11:13 Speaker 2
This car versus a 16 year old boy getting into the same car and it's like, could you beat their time? Could you be better than Mario and ready driving a car? Probably not. How is it that he who just now grabbed the stones or whatever the gauntlet it's like, got it? I can take everybody.
01:11:34 Speaker 2
On just at the same level? Yep.
01:11:36 Speaker 1
And she defeats all of them, too, even death and everything else. And then Adam Warlock makes his move, and which I can't help but think like he could have done this at any time. Like like what he did here at the end.
01:11:50 Speaker 1
Was I don't know what he did. He came out from the soul. The soul stone. Like it's not really clear what he did, but he basically shocks the gauntlet falls from nebulous hand everyone makes a.
01:12:04 Speaker 1
Run for it.
01:12:05 Speaker 1
And of course, at a Morlock ends up with it because.
01:12:09 Speaker 1
Because because I don't know how else to explain it.
01:12:13 Speaker 2
Yeah, somehow that he he managed to by having one stone, which I believe he was already trapped in at one point and he.
01:12:21 Speaker 1
Yeah, at the.
01:12:21 Speaker 1
Beginning of this.
01:12:22 Speaker 2
Yeah, he could have done it right in issue one and then it's the classic kerfuffle of how many people can get through a doorway at one time with them all getting stuck. It's almost like a three Stooges moment of the the prize is just ahead of us, and they all get stuck in the door at once going.
01:12:42 Speaker 2
We're trapped.
01:12:44 Speaker 2
And why would Drax? I don't know. This is idiot. I'm on your side. Grab the Hulk just and then, you know, star Fox grabs Nebula. It's just it's like a comedy of errors and it it the hair pulling is involved. I mean, these are cosmic heroes and it's like I'm pulling your hair.
01:13:04 Speaker 2
And it's like.
01:13:05 Speaker 2
Did you do that in the playground in 3rd grade? Maybe, but yeah. Then to your point, ****. A rainbow of Skittles on a Adams Warlock's glove and we're off to the races.
01:13:17 Speaker 1
Nano space on death. But you know we find out later that he of course survived because I had a more like, listen to him and we get the, you know, the scene where his armors.
01:13:28
You know and.
01:13:29 Speaker 1
In the cornfield or whatever hanging up with the Scarecrow, Adam Warlock ends up with the gauntlet and you know I I don't remember reading the story afterwards. You know what happened to.
01:13:38 Speaker 2
That apparently two more mini series kicked off after this like Infinity War and Infinity Saga. I guess I don't know something like that. Nothing and the end is.
01:13:49 Speaker 2
Then I was just sitting there on the the step by the bed.
01:13:52 Speaker 2
OK, waste some time.
01:13:54 Speaker 1
So I mean, what I learned was nebulas the true hero of this series. That's correct.
01:14:00 Speaker 1
A Morlock really could have stopped it all at the beginning of the story.
01:14:06 Speaker 1
And George Perez really can draw.
01:14:11 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And it's one of the things that, you know, it even more by comparison, you know?
01:14:17 Speaker 2
You see, like, here's what Perez did. And here's what Ron Lim was capable of doing. It may have been one of those moments of trying to there's a term for it. I don't know it right off, but it's like that where people have similar thoughts at the same time, Disney's Aladdin came out in 19/19/92.
01:14:37 Speaker 2
Where this came out in 1991. So the infinite cosmic powers in the tiny little living space actually came out after this series did but.
01:14:50 Speaker 2
But obviously that animation takes four years or so to do a motion picture. It was in the works ahead of time.
01:14:58 Speaker 1
Right.
01:14:59 Speaker 1
So overall, comparing the two stories we've reviewed so far, cosmic odyssey and Infinity Gauntlet, how would you write?
01:15:08 Speaker 2
These. Yeah. So on the cosmic well, let's see out of Infinity conflict, I'd give it a solid two out.
01:15:17 Speaker 2
Of five or six Infinity.
01:15:20 Speaker 2
Gyms and then?
01:15:21
OK.
01:15:22 Speaker 2
Yeah, it just it felt like a, a, a singular idea stretched.
01:15:28 Speaker 2
Too long, far too out of possible.
01:15:31 Speaker 2
Five. And then let's say with the cosmic gotta see in comparison. I I have to say that I kind of like cosmic, honestly better than this.
01:15:42 Speaker 2
As much as we may have moaned and had our grievances, I felt like it was a a.
01:15:50 Speaker 2
And the story was a lot simpler. It wasn't just a matter of just dumping characters in. It wasn't huge. Horning as much and it was kind of more by the numbers. But as a result, it was a little bit more of a a just a a fun romp, an easier read. This one was just like, OK, let's talk about these drunkards.
01:16:11 Speaker 2
For a little bit, let's talk about these. You know, superheroes that have vanished for a little bit. Let's talk about here, just like.
01:16:19 Speaker 2
Oh, get to the point.
01:16:22 Speaker 2
And when they finally did, they took two issues to basically one issue. Let's wipe out all the heroes that could have done anything, and the next issue, let's wipe out all the cosmic beings that could have done.
01:16:32 Speaker 2
A thing and then to your point, let's just reset it with another person who has the gauntlet and we go through the whole process all over again. And it's almost like, you know, I was waiting for somebody to say.
01:16:43 Speaker 2
Sorry the you know, the Princess is in another castle. You need to look elsewhere. Kind of a thing. It's like, ah, I just suffered through this whole, you know, level of Mario.
01:16:53 Speaker 2
And now I have to go to another level.
01:16:55 Speaker 1
Yeah, except it's a swim level. It's a swim level this time.
01:16:56 Speaker 2
You know to find her.
01:16:58 Speaker 2
Oh crap, I hated that one.
01:17:00 Speaker 2
That one, and the one that you slid all over the place and you couldn't.
01:17:03 Speaker 2
Really slow your character down.
01:17:04 Speaker 1
Yeah, I I tend to agree with you. Uh, I think I think what I've learned is that between cosmic odyssey and Infinity Gauntlet.
01:17:13 Speaker 1
Art for cosmic odyssey was beautiful and overshadowed Jim Starlin's writing, which was just OK, and Infinity Gauntlet. George Prasart was beautiful and Ron lamps was OK, and again it overshadowed the story to where I'm thinking.
01:17:33 Speaker 1
You know Jim Starlin, I mean, I'd love to find something that I love from him, but so.
01:17:39 Speaker 1
Are he's over, too, for me. But the art on cosmic goddess. He was just wonderful. And as much as I love George Perez, I would give the art to cosmic odyssey between the two. Don't tell him I said that.
01:17:53 Speaker 1
Though yeah, I.
01:17:54 Speaker 2
Mean it's a difference between classic comic illustration, which is like George Perez.
01:17:59 Speaker 2
And this newer.
01:18:02 Speaker 2
Approach to how to handle you know a little bit more artsy, a little bit more defined, look on things.
01:18:09 Speaker 2
And that's, you know, where Mineola comes in, you know, as a fresher feel to it, it didn't feel like.
01:18:16 Speaker 2
This is this is art.
01:18:18 Speaker 2
From a while ago and yeah, it just didn't quite. Oh, so is Infinity War and Infinity Crusade crusade OK?
01:18:27 Speaker 1
OK, well, that was our review.
01:18:29 Speaker 1
Infinity gold.
01:18:31 Speaker 1
By Marvel and we have one more segment to hit do that next there.
01:18:36 Speaker 1
You you have your.
01:18:37 Speaker 1
Six questions to try and stump me or.
01:18:40 Speaker 2
Yes, yes, I do. Trivia time, we need to find some theme song to go along with that. It's trivia time.
01:18:45 Speaker 1
Yeah, we'll do a theme song.
01:18:47 Speaker 1
Here and we'll get right into the six questions.
01:18:52 Speaker 2
OK, we're back.
01:18:53 Speaker 1
And we're back. Six questions. You have six questions. I have six questions based loosely on Infinity Gauntlet eclectic at best.
01:19:06 Speaker 1
Do you want to start? I don't remember who started last time, so.
01:19:10 Speaker 2
Yeah, I'll. I'll give it a go, alright.
01:19:12 Speaker 1
You ask a question and then I'll ask you a question, we'll.
01:19:15 Speaker 1
Do that again.
01:19:15 Speaker 2
Yep. Yeah, we'll do that. Just alternate so.
01:19:18 Speaker 2
First one out of the gate, how do?
01:19:21 Speaker 2
You know that Silver Surfer is cosmic.
01:19:26 Speaker 1
How do you know of a Silver surfer is cosmic?
01:19:31 Speaker 1
Well, he usually reminds everybody that he's a herald of Galactus in every issue that he's like, but.
01:19:42 Speaker 1
Sadly true. Let's see you write this shiny surfboard.
01:19:49 Speaker 2
Ohh nearly he has a a glowing mouth.
01:19:56 Speaker 2
Wow. Yep. Every time you see him, his mouth is always open and that look. But it has a glow emanating from the inside of his mouth, and I found it.
01:20:09 Speaker 2
Extremely distracting, especially when he's emoting all the time. Yeah. Yeah, cause every, every freaking. It's like, OK, yeah, he's Catholic. But you know, he he might have a tongue. He might have some teeth, but for some reason he shows his open mouth and.
01:20:29 Speaker 2
Just this, like radiating lines of power coming from the inside of his mouth.
01:20:34 Speaker 2
Thus he is cosmic.
01:20:36 Speaker 1
OK, my first question.
01:20:37 Speaker 1
Three people leave a bar destined to die.
01:20:43 Speaker 1
In a crash so that three other boring people can use their bodies. What was their names? And I'll accept their description as well as their names.
01:20:55 Speaker 2
The before or after photos like.
01:20:57 Speaker 2
Before Jenny Craig and then after Jenny Craig or?
01:20:58 Speaker 1
Master floor.
01:21:00 Speaker 1
The best.
01:21:02 Speaker 1
I wanna talk about the losers.
01:21:04 Speaker 1
Ohh crap.
01:21:07 Speaker 2
Yeah. Drunk short man, drunk middle-aged man and drunk middle or young woman.
01:21:16 Speaker 2
About the best I can.
01:21:16 Speaker 1
That's close. That's close. It was the blunt. This was taken right from the text. The blonde bimbo.
01:21:17 Speaker 2
Pull off.
01:21:26 Speaker 1
Name and her name was Bambi.
01:21:27 Speaker 1
Long, of course it was.
01:21:29 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds like a James Bond won't.
01:21:30 Speaker 1
You have the.
01:21:31 Speaker 1
Lawyer. Yeah, tub of lard. Ralph bunker. And then the guy the the other male was called the ringleader, Jake Miller.
01:21:35 Speaker 4
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:21:46 Speaker 2
I I honestly, you know, like one of the classic things that you know Stan Lee had done with the initial comic series was the Invincible Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, the Amazing Spiderman, and the tub tub.
01:22:02 Speaker 2
Of Lard Ralph bunker.
01:22:05 Speaker 2
Right. So I mean that's right up there. You know, those are like descriptive adjectives and then the characters name, yeah.
01:22:12 Speaker 1
They'll, I'm sure they'll show up at the Great Lakes Avengers sometime, you know.
01:22:16 Speaker 2
Oh yeah, yeah. Then they'll get reincarnated. What would happen if Adam Warlock died again? Would he come back and these guys wouldn't have it? Their bodies.
01:22:25 Speaker 1
Yeah, probably not.
01:22:27 Speaker 1
They don't even want their bodies anymore.
01:22:29 Speaker 2
When fighting a near God, like being, who would you not send in to fight him?
01:22:42 Speaker 1
Is this the first battle with Nebula or the OR the second battle with Nebula or the first battle with that?
01:22:47 Speaker 2
I was thinking more of the 1st I'll give you. I'll narrow down the first battle with.
01:22:52 Speaker 1
Thanos, who would I not send in the fight?
01:22:55 Speaker 1
To think that.
01:22:55 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, like the like, if you're the the fight a near God like level being.
01:23:04 Speaker 2
Of all the people.
01:23:04 Speaker 2
That got in there to fight him.
01:23:07 Speaker 2
Who's like the one that's like, really?
01:23:10 Speaker 1
Ohh but what being would I not send in?
01:23:13 Speaker 2
Yeah. What character? What hero? I'll even narrow it down. What hero are you, like? Really.
01:23:19 Speaker 1
Well, I wouldn't count on.
01:23:20 Speaker 1
The Silver Surfer, that's for sure.
01:23:22 Speaker 2
Well, yeah, that turned to be a bust.
01:23:27 Speaker 2
Good thing I didn't put any money on him.
01:23:28 Speaker 1
Winning it, right? Yeah, why wouldn't it?
01:23:30 Speaker 1
Why would you?
01:23:32 Speaker 1
I would. I would definitely not send quasar in.
01:23:36 Speaker 1
Or or Nova.
01:23:39 Speaker 2
Yeah, building blocks Nova, right?
01:23:43 Speaker 1
I don't know what's your answer.
01:23:45 Speaker 2
I honestly I had. You could name any hero.
01:23:48 Speaker 1
All of this.
01:23:49 Speaker 2
That was the answer.
01:23:50 Speaker 2
All of them.
01:23:53 Speaker 2
There's a little bit of a trick one.
01:23:55 Speaker 1
Right.
01:23:56 Speaker 2
Yeah, but yeah, I honestly, you know, it was. It was either all any of them, cause they all proved to be completely ineffective all the way from top to bottom or if I were to single one out, it would.
01:24:08 Speaker 2
Then, like and, oddly enough, the one that actually made contact.
01:24:12 Speaker 2
Wolverine, you know, it's like nothing about him scream.
01:24:16 Speaker 2
Teams, you know, I can handle cosmic beings. I have claws that require me to be within 2 feet of this person. And the best thing I got going for me is a healing factor that he could completely undo in a moment. So yeah, but oddly enough of all of them.
01:24:36 Speaker 2
He's the one who actually sank his said weaponry into that.
01:24:41 Speaker 1
Right succeeded. OK, good question #2 for me.
01:24:46 Speaker 1
Thanos did a few useless things to impress death. Name 2.
01:24:54 Speaker 2
Apparently, grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet cause that turned out.
01:24:58 Speaker 2
To be a bust, right?
01:25:00 Speaker 2
And then creating a.
01:25:02 Speaker 2
Castle like structure for her to live in that really didn't have the amenities that she wanted. It just had a throne. But she's she's a high class woman. She's going to need some more than just a throne to sit on.
01:25:17 Speaker 1
I had gold Thrones death string.
01:25:21 Speaker 1
Nebula brought back to life and and killing half the universe still did not impress that.
01:25:23 Speaker 2
Oh yeah.
01:25:27 Speaker 2
Would have been.
01:25:29 Speaker 2
Didn't do it, just didn't do it.
01:25:31 Speaker 2
Yeah, she's kind of a, you know, frigid woman. Yeah. Yeah, she's. But she has the right to be. She's deaf after all. I will kind.
01:25:40 Speaker 2
Of follow that.
01:25:40 Speaker 2
Up with what is Thanos's secret desire?
01:25:44 Speaker 1
He loves himself so much that he made a clone of himself with the moves.
01:25:51 Speaker 2
Yep, spot on.
01:25:54 Speaker 2
I had it listed down to make sweet, sweet love to himself.
01:25:58 Speaker 1
That is correct.
01:26:00 Speaker 1
Like that one.
01:26:00 Speaker 1
Right.
01:26:03 Speaker 1
#3 Captain America was with two people when they disappeared.
01:26:09 Speaker 1
Ohh crap.
01:26:11 Speaker 2
I know Hawkeye was.
01:26:12 Speaker 1
One that is right.
01:26:14 Speaker 2
And then woman.
01:26:15 Speaker 1
Lady. Yeah, that is her name, woman lady.
01:26:20 Speaker 2
She's got all the powers of a.
01:26:21 Speaker 1
Woman, she's an eternal.
01:26:25 Speaker 2
Searcy or something like that.
01:26:27 Speaker 1
Yep, Sir. See it was.
01:26:30 Speaker 2
OK, by that one couldn't remember. I just remember it was like I vaguely remember that character being in it.
01:26:38 Speaker 2
And then I just remembered Hawkeye going like. Ohh no, there's a Hawkeye going.
01:26:43 Speaker 2
Then I just remembered.
01:26:43 Speaker 1
Those two characters that disappeared were just as useful as most of the other heroes that didn't.
01:26:49 Speaker 2
That stuck around. It doesn't affect if it's stopping that.
01:26:55 Speaker 2
You weren't even there. Point made.
01:26:59 Speaker 2
My gosh, OK, unbeknownst to the world at.
01:27:02 Speaker 2
Charge. There is a global threat that appears to loom just off the surface, but it appears on every TV screen. What is this global threat that seems to override a cosmic threat?
01:27:18 Speaker 1
I would say, though, probably the biggest threat in the entire book.
01:27:24 Speaker 1
Was reruns of Elf exactly the fact that.
01:27:30 Speaker 2
Uh, that character needed to show up multiple times in the series.
01:27:35 Speaker 1
Or was it? Was it reruns of help or?
01:27:37 Speaker 1
Was it? No.
01:27:38 Speaker 2
Maybe it was current, but in this continuity.
01:27:43 Speaker 2
Was it actually a show or was it reality? Was Elf really making you know live TV at that moment and talking about his intent?
01:27:45 Speaker 1
Right.
01:27:52 Speaker 2
To take over the world.
01:27:54 Speaker 1
Yeah. Did he ever team up with?
01:27:55 Speaker 1
The X-Men.
01:27:57 Speaker 2
There's probably a universe that's.
01:27:59 Speaker 1
Happened. All right, California drops into the ocean, but Captain America still calls the West Coast Avengers for help. Where did Wanda say they were setting up shop?
01:28:10 Speaker 2
I was going to say in a delicatessen the well before Tony Starks recommendation.
01:28:16 Speaker 2
Shawarma. Right. They were at the deli that I couldn't say probably let's say in Colorado.
01:28:25 Speaker 1
It was Vegas.
01:28:27 Speaker 2
Vegas. Ohh, it's Vegas.
01:28:29 Speaker 2
Baby, that's right.
01:28:30 Speaker 2
I guess whatever happened there just you.
01:28:32 Speaker 2
Know stays there there.
01:28:34 Speaker 1
Two more questions go.
01:28:35 Speaker 2
All right. Again, this is a little harder to to to lay down, but in a similar fashion, there was a conspicuous movie poster.
01:28:46 Speaker 2
Advertise on a panel.
01:28:48 Speaker 2
Outside of all the other panels they had done, that seemed way out of continuity.
01:28:53 Speaker 2
It was on the verge of.
01:28:55 Speaker 2
Deering. What was that movie poster promoting?
01:28:59 Speaker 1
It wasn't promoting Elf.
01:29:02 Speaker 2
Not this case. No, no, but in a similar vein, this is very obscure, but it was like as soon as I saw it, it took me completely out of the comic. I was like, what the heck is that doing there?
01:29:16 Speaker 1
And it was like the Indiana Jones.
01:29:19 Speaker 2
Not quite.
01:29:21 Speaker 1
I don't know.
01:29:22 Speaker 1
What was it?
01:29:23 Speaker 2
Toxic crusader.
01:29:25 Speaker 1
Ohh OK.
01:29:26 Speaker 2
Yeah, he had a there was a poster of him in the background.
01:29:31 Speaker 2
As they were like walking through the alleyways.
01:29:36 Speaker 2
You can see it clearly over on the left side of the panel and it's just like why is there a toxic crusader? A poster in this one?
01:29:48 Speaker 2
Just like it really was. Like, I don't get it.
01:29:51 Speaker 1
OK, #5 name.
01:29:53 Speaker 2
If you wanna know real quick before I dive into this one. Yeah, it's on page 94. It's over. Hulk's left shoulder saying coming soon and clearly.
01:30:04 Speaker 2
It's a toxic crusader.
01:30:06 Speaker 1
I don't think it's on my 94 though, because I am from the select edition Infinity.
01:30:09 Speaker 2
OK.
01:30:14 Speaker 1
That came out last year.
01:30:16 Speaker 2
Check you out.
01:30:18 Speaker 2
Yeah, this is. It's basically like Cyclops teleports in Scarlet Witch and Vision teleport in and.
01:30:25 Speaker 2
Doctor Strange is like ah, but I.
01:30:27 Speaker 2
Have a problem here. Doctor Banner, the Hulk, refuses to join us and it's over.
01:30:32 Speaker 1
Oh, it's on my page 99.
01:30:33 Speaker 2
Hulk's shoulder.
01:30:36 Speaker 2
All right. That's the number 99.
01:30:40 Speaker 1
Name 3 heralds of Galactus. Ohh.
01:30:46 Speaker 2
There's Harold Lloyd. There's Harold.
01:30:52 Speaker 1
And mods.
01:30:52 Speaker 2
Fish that would be an interesting time, and if it was like actual people named Harold, it's like, yes, these are the heralds of Galactus. I don't think that would.
01:31:06 Speaker 2
Go for as well.
01:31:08 Speaker 1
We should do it. Get out.
01:31:10 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Harolds. Yeah, I would say we would have silver, sure.
01:31:20 Speaker 2
Sure. Fire Lord, I think Terrax was.
01:31:23 Speaker 2
A guy at some point.
01:31:26 Speaker 2
And then Air Walker was another one.
01:31:29 Speaker 2
Yeah. And then.
01:31:31 Speaker 2
Frankie raised Nova or whatever. I can't remember what her name was.
01:31:36 Speaker 1
And I'm sure there's a few other ones.
01:31:37
And then.
01:31:39 Speaker 2
Yeah, I think there was a what if?
01:31:39 Speaker 1
Their water too.
01:31:42 Speaker 2
Yeah, that had Aunt May.
01:31:45 Speaker 2
Was a herald of Galactus?
01:31:47 Speaker 1
Harry andersons? Yes. You answered three, at least. So well done.
01:31:56 Speaker 2
I had this written down and I don't know exactly why I thought it was funny at the time, and maybe it's because it was.
01:32:01 Speaker 2
Something I had written.
01:32:04 Speaker 2
But I thought it was funny. And then just now looking back at it, it's like, why is Silver Surfer held back from the fight?
01:32:13 Speaker 1
I don't know why.
01:32:16 Speaker 2
I I just said there was absolutely no reason why he was held back.
01:32:21 Speaker 2
It serves no purpose. Just.
01:32:23
I think it.
01:32:24 Speaker 2
Was just because it was like this buildup that led to absolutely nothing. It was a complete waste time. There was no reason.
01:32:34 Speaker 1
To hold him back. All right.
01:32:39 Speaker 1
True, I oh, I have one more question for you. All right.
01:32:43 Speaker 1
You ready for it?
01:32:46 Speaker 1
All right.
01:32:47 Speaker 1
Why do you hate Ron Lim?
01:32:51 Speaker 2
OK. How much time do we?
01:32:52 Speaker 2
Have left on this podcast.
01:32:54 Speaker 1
No, we're wrapping up. No.
01:32:56 Speaker 1
You don't have that one.
01:32:58 Speaker 2
No, it's just I I think what?
01:33:01 Speaker 2
And again, it's a little backwards for me to say this.
01:33:07 Speaker 3
But you know, because he's got amazing drawing scales. He's got the ability to be able to do, you know, art that I would only hope I could pull off, but.
01:33:16 Speaker 3
His his there's an issue with faces, a lot of similar.
01:33:21 Speaker 3
Places like his Captain America looks a lot like some of his other characters, and they all have the same kind of expression on their face.
01:33:28 Speaker 3
And then there's also a flatness, their proportions of the body seems to be off.
01:33:33 Speaker 3
And not like a cool Frank Miller way. Whereas like proportions were off, but it helped kind of like tell the story a little bit more. His are just like he's trying so.
01:33:40 Speaker 3
Hard to to do a thing and it just doesn't capture it and I think a lot of it has to do with he uses the same.
01:33:48 Speaker 3
Approach to everything like if I'm doing a face at this angle, it's going to look this way and I'm going to put the same 3 dashes under the eyes that represent the eye socket, kind of the curvature of the eye.
01:34:00 Speaker 3
I'm going to draw the same peak shadowing. I'm going to draw the same and it's just, you know, he when he when he feels like let's say Captain America straight on he will always use the same tick marks in the same location the same way throughout the entire run of you know Captain America. And I think that's what kind of the sameness.
01:34:20 Speaker 3
Regardless of the outcome or the intent, is what I think is what loses it for me and you know additional to the aspect of, you know, his line weight and you know he he falls somewhere in a weird middle ground of he's not the same.
01:34:39 Speaker 3
Like level of detail as Perez, but he's not as like a simplified and refined as like, say like even somebody who was the embodiment of it like an.
01:34:45 Speaker 3
Alex Toth, where it was like I'm only putting down the lines that mean something. He kind of falls in a weird, nebulous zone of like, not enough detail. But he wants to throw that much detail. Not enough simplicity. But he doesn't put in to kind of make it more artsy, kind of Mignola.
01:34:58 Speaker 3
Where it's a lot thinner and just like representational. It's kind of a weird, like I don't know where to put them.
01:35:04 Speaker 3
And it's just a general blandness as a result.
01:35:07
No, I always thought.
01:35:07 Speaker 2
Mean like I?
01:35:08 Speaker 2
Said fantastic art. I couldn't draw like that myself, but there's just some things.
01:35:14 Speaker 2
About it that I'm like.
01:35:17 Speaker 2
I wish they could.
01:35:17 Speaker 2
Have done a little bit.
01:35:18 Speaker 1
Better here there I think at the time.
01:35:21 Speaker 1
Like I I was started collecting.
01:35:25 Speaker 1
Kept in America when he was starting to do that. And silver surfer.
01:35:29 Speaker 4
And I think I enjoyed his art more than you obviously, but I think I.
01:35:33 Speaker 4
Enjoyed his art?
01:35:34 Speaker 4
Because it was, it wasn't boring for me like his art style was different. I could look at it and go.
01:35:39 Speaker 4
Well, that's why.
01:35:40 Speaker 4
I'm limp and it was at a time when.
01:35:43 Speaker 4
I was just learning about new artists and like it wasn't just a story, it was. There was George Perez art. It was Ron Limar and it was, you know, it was. It was to where I was at a maturity level where I could. I wasn't just reading comic I.
01:35:55 Speaker 4
Was reading comic.
01:35:56 Speaker 4
From the art and and I think and maybe maybe not, I think some of that was was later on, but I do just remember.
01:36:03 Speaker 4
Liking it because.
01:36:05 Speaker 4
I like art and artists that I can instantly look at a page and know who did it like. Yeah, it was enough style. Like it wasn't generic. It's just kind of the same old person trying to repeat the last person he was. He was doing something on his own, enough to where I could say he's doing his own style, you know.
01:36:25 Speaker 1
And he's not trying to copy somebody else's. And I think for for me, Ron Lim, just.
01:36:31 Speaker 1
He has his own style whether you like it or not, and I didn't like all of it. I mean, you know, I love everything George does, but other.
01:36:40 Speaker 1
Than that, you know.
01:36:41 Speaker 1
Except the Spiderman, apparently. But but for Ron Lim? For me and the Captain America.
01:36:49 Speaker 1
That kept the America storyline with the.
01:36:52 Speaker 1
Serpent society and.
01:36:54 Speaker 1
The early issues of Silver Surfer he did for I liked it enough to where I was just having fun reading the comic and then his art kind of just added to it. So, but I can totally understand.
01:37:07 Speaker 1
Where you're coming?
01:37:08 Speaker 1
From I know, I know you're some of your favorite artists and why you like them. And he yeah, he isn't anywhere.
01:37:14 Speaker 1
Close to those artists like he's not on that that level. So you know, he's no Barry Winter Smith.
01:37:21 Speaker 1
That's for sure.
01:37:24 Speaker 1
Or Greg Russell or or Adams, you know?
01:37:28 Speaker 1
You know.
01:37:28 Speaker 1
Yeah, he's not that. I'm not pretending he is.
01:37:31 Speaker 1
But you know I.
01:37:33 Speaker 1
I have fun watching his art I think is is basically why I like him.
01:37:37 Speaker 2
Yeah. And there's there's something very, very true to your statement about. Yeah, certainly. He is distinctive and in that way. Yeah, he's spot on. Like I said, you know, that you look at him and it's like, that is a Roman art.
01:37:57 Speaker 2
And it's hard to say that about a.
01:37:59 Speaker 2
Lot of artists you can look at now you know, go like.
01:38:02 Speaker 2
Man, you know that would have been great. I don't know who did that. You know, that looks a lot like it could have been. This guy could have been this guy, you know, especially during the height of the image artist when it was like is.
01:38:13 Speaker 2
That you know, a plat drawing is that a life filled drawing is that I can't remember some of the other people's names.
01:38:22 Speaker 2
But you know Scott Williams? Jim Lee is at Will Silvestri or they all kind of morphed into one lump, and that's where you know Ron.
01:38:35 Speaker 2
Him clearly, you know, clearly stood apart with his art, and I think, you know, like him or not like him, it was very much his own. And to your point, you have to admire. He didn't follow someone else necessarily. He clearly came up with his own.
01:38:52 Speaker 1
Look, all right. Well, that wraps up our.
01:38:55 Speaker 1
Segment, I guess we can do a little open and use our closing music here and chances are we'll never have the closing music and it'll just be us going and this is where we add the opening music and we add the.
01:39:09 Speaker 1
And that's just what we're going.
01:39:10 Speaker 1
So we'll.
01:39:11 Speaker 2
Scatter way out. Just Step 2. There it is.
01:39:13 Speaker 1
Right.
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01:39:49 Speaker 1
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01:40:02 Speaker 1
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01:40:04 Speaker 1
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01:40:06 Speaker 2
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01:40:08
That's it.
01:40:08 Speaker 1
We we don't practice this stuff, you know, and I made this up last time I was like, and this is Andy and I'll see you. Bye. And then you're like and this is.
01:40:16 Speaker 1
Mike and I'll.
01:40:17 Speaker 1
See you. Bye. Or you?
01:40:18 Speaker 1
Know we float a lot better last time for our ending, but half the fun is doing it.
01:40:25 Speaker 1
And trying out new things. So anyway, yeah, we're we're still talking. So I'm gonna say yes, that's right. You guys are still here, right?
01:40:29 Speaker 2
Painfully awkward.
01:40:35 Speaker 2
The quote? Ferris bueller.
01:40:38 Speaker 1
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01:40:38 Speaker 2
You guys still?
01:40:39 Speaker 2
Doing the hearing.
01:41:32
Don't see your backs for a while.
01:41:44
You see.
01:41:45
His family.
01:41:48 Speaker 2
You know what I'd like to make a lady that looks just like me.