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The Jury Is Out…

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While the jury deliberates, Aubrey is left wondering whether or not they took the bait.

From the tired “she loved the freak offs” defense, to categorizing Cassie as someone who was ‘All About the Benjamins,’ they continued the victim-blaming during closing arguments.

But hear what Aubrey says was the zinger during the prosecution's rebuttal, and what would be going through her mind if she were a juror.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day covering the did He trial? Oh all right, so Mark Agnifilow is closing for the defense man. Oh man, it was one big theater performance. It was almost at some points like watching a comedy. A lot of theatrics, most all of the language that he teered into was basically leaning toward the girls being hoes. Cassie, if I heard him say she was pretty, she was sexy. She you know, she liked

the freaky behavior. Like the way that he used those words over and over again in regards to her was disgusting. He really really went into some I would say, borderline race baiting, with the you can't trust the government, you can't trust the feds, you can't trust what they're doing right now, with puff that causes prejudice in a jury, and marine comy was not happy. She went off when they broke. But let's keep going through agni Filow's defensive Ditty.

So he describes Ditty's world as being magical, a magical workspace, Magical opportunities existed in this workplace. He was just a nice guy with a little drug problem. He said that Cassie was again a lot of the beautiful sexy freak language being used with her balancing two men at one time. Isn't that so great? And what a hot, pretty sexy girl would do? She's balancing two men. Capricorn Clark was in love with him. She was no victim. She was happy that he would come to her house at five

in the morning. The type of language used on these women and the type of portrayals given to these women. But you do have all that steam though when they were on the stand, to be saying that shit to their face. Though Mia also in love with them. Everyone had this magical opportunity with this nice guy with a little drug problem. And the tape, the tape, too much is made of it. Diddy was just trying to get

his phone back that she stole. Yeah, he shouldn't have hit her, but she took his phone, stole his property, completely minimizing it all. Where he was dropped, kicking and beating her and dragging her back into the room by her hair. He said, there was nothing in that room that Cassie even feared, nothing, nothing at all. That's crazy talk to me. She was just beaten, senseless and then brought back into a room with the man. She had nothing in there to fear. Okay, well I was a reach.

Uh kk. Everyone loves KK. Everyone in the entire industry loves them some KK. She's known and loved and revered around the world. And pop. He would never hire an escort for sex. Are you serious? That's not what he would do. Like these were literally the assertions that Mark Agniffilo was making in his clothing. He says, she was never raped. She lied. She was already dating older men. She was already working her way around. She was already

with older men. This age difference they're talking about. That was what she was used to in her hoe and around is how he was making his sound. And then he said, did he made love to her when she when the first night that they got together, he made love, sweet love. It wasn't him operating in his power, accessing his control in the situation. He made love with this young girl that and even dared to venture into She was his match. She played the game. She is playing

everyone right now. She got twenty million from this man and then got ten million from the Inner Continental. She's got thirty million, and she has laughed her way through her performance. For you guys, she was his match. That's crazy talk that he said that in no world that I ever experienced. Watching the day that Cassie came in with Ryan Leslie, her boyfriend, who I don't know that he's as old as Puff, but Ryan Leslie was not giving any of the same type of energy as Puff

at all in any type of way. Ryan Leslie was Puff's employee. He depended on Puff for a job, and when Puff stole him from stole her from Ryan and may Love. According to Mark Agniflow, with her, Ryan Leslie was then let go. The key doesn't work when you go to open the door in the morning to your producer lab. He was let go. He lost everything, he was kicked out, he was replaced the second that he stole his girl. He was not on the same level

as Diddy, and nor was Cassie. I was there, I thought with my own eyes, I absolutely can attest to the fact that Diddy did not think that these people were on his level, and these people definitely did not think they were on his level. There was nobody in the room that I don't know that there's anyone in the world. I pray to God, nobody on the jury would be that dumb to think that she was his match on his level. The jury is seeing the family behind him. They love them, the boys. They will hope

they could date the boys one day. The girls are crying during the testimony. He's a family man. It's an eight pike pack of women against this black man. The optics and all of the things that are going on that they're looking at are likely to sway, especially if you would believe this this incredible fiction book that Mark Agniflo gave. He said, if you want a good read this weekend, go to the evidence and read their love notes. That's crazy, that's crazy to say. He told the jury.

If you want a little break before the fourth of July, before you guys have to come in here and make a call, go to the spot and the evidence where their love notes were. Skip over the drugs and the racketeering and the trafficking, and and you know, go look into the videos of people choking on piss and doing sexual acts and prostitution and all of the just go to their love notes. That's where it really kicks. He said.

Cassie was jealous over all the women and finally left when he said kim Porter was the love of his life, the great love. She couldn't take it anymore, and she left like she always could. That's what he said. She left like she always could. She couldn't leave that night at in her continental though. She definitely couldn't leave that night. We all saw that on video. Agniff Flow is trying to paint Diddy like a humble, defeated guy who had some ego issues every now and then. But if he

gets free, everybody then knows him. And I'll speak as an insider in that world. He may look gray haired and now, but if he gets free, he is going right back to not giving a fuck about anybody but himself. Quickly, with the quickness, they said, Cassie's a again beautiful woman. There was a freak. He literally said the words Cassie was keeping it gangster. You know who you're trying to

target with that language, sir, stop it, stop it now. Tacky, tacky baiting shit, they said, Cathy, Cassie was keeping it gangster. She had a burner phone on him. She could have been fucking Diddy and kid Cuddy. She would have been with him them both. Cassie's Diddy did he had a bunch of bitches Cassie had a bunch of bitches. Did he have burner phones for his bitches? So did Cassie. They were equal. Ain't no way, ain't no way that

any of that. And I don't care. Listen, if I were put, if I were put in the situation that Cassie did. And I'm not saying that Cassie didn't learn things along the way. I'm not. I don't even suggest that you could be around somebody as ill as Diddy for that long and not pick up some of his

bad behavior. But from the girl that I saw that walked into the studio the first day and wanted to get signed, so what she become came at the end, I'm sure there was a very, very very long span of learning curves, because that girl that I knew back in the very very beginning was no equal. I don't even think she would have known what a burner phone was, and she was not in the business of being his equal. There were no equals to Ditty, And Diddy said it

five billion times in his career. It's who he is, it's what he stands by. Now, all of a sudden, when it his life is on the line, Cassie's his equal in no way. It was starting to get like Cringey in the way that he was talking the keeping it gangster, the these girls are equal. Cassie's is equal. She played the system. She walked out of here with thirty million with a bag, and she's laughing, having the time of her life. And he was moving. He was

left right, middle center, back. He was moving. He said, I'm not using any exhibits, I'm not pulling anything up. I'm just gonna I'm a freestyle. He says, we can all agree, thing's a little off about Capricorn. That's crazy talk for a lawyer to say, like he's acting like him and the jury are best friends, like y'all you're my people. Cassie was peeping a gangster. He can all agree Capricorn will a little off. Who are you talking to, sir?

Get your credentials back on your suit? Good God, do you really think that you can play It's very clear what he's trying to do here and who he's talking to and who he's trying to play to. If you are a lawyer, you know that with one hundred percent certainty out here in the streets now, with one hundred percent certainty. If you can't catch what I'm saying, then you might be one of those people that would allow him to get off with this ridiculous performance. But he

was going rogue, he said. Capricorn wasn't kidnapped. She went home every night of this supposed kidnapping. She was happy Peter return at five am. I don't know anyone that's happy to do shit at five am. So okay, he said, So she was kidnapped every day nine to five. He then said, look around, do you guys feel kidnapped? Looked over to the jury. You guys have to be here nine to five. You're required to sit here and do

a job. Do you feel kidnapped? As if sitting and watching closing arguments in a jury is the same thing as what Capricorn experienced when she was kidnapped for that week having to take the light detector tests about the missing jewelry, He even ventured often too, do you think he gave us shit? Get cared about Capricorn or some jewelry? He was busy on Broadway. That's hilarious to me, This is giving comedy special. Yes he cared about Capricorn, Yes

he cared about missing jewelry. He likely didn't care too much about Broadway. He's not the type of man that gives a fuck about Broadway. Okay, that's crazy talk. They also went into there was no gun. Why would he have a gun? Uh, sir, because he's a criminal and you found guns in his home when you rated it that had the fucking numbers scratched off on them illegal weapons multiple Why would he have a gun because they found them in his home? You dumb fuck? Why would

he even have a gun? He says he didn't even need to have a gun. He says Cassie gave him the address to cut his house, so he had it, not like either way went to go find it. And then he said, Diddy has everything to lose, why would he go in and do anything? The kid cutty Diddy has had everything to lose for a very long time. Yet he's got eighty plus civil lawsuits, plus all the problems that have been presented during this trial. He doesn't seem to give a fuck about everything he has to lose,

or he definitely feels like he's above it. We shall soon see. Capricorn wouldn't have even stayed if he pulled a gun on her she wouldn't. The no gun saga was another movie theater reach on Agniffolo's part. Then he said, and Diddy would never need a gun. He likes he's a street fighter, he likes using his fits. It was just simply gonna be a Hollywood brawl. He was just gonna put his fits up. He goes into there's no evidence about this Molotov cocktail. There would have been DNA.

Let's discuss that. First of all, this isn't a murder trial. Second of all, the man who got into the on the stand and testified to this Molotov cocktail didn't understand DNA, and they knew that, and so that's why they're pointing in this direction. But you'll probably not. Probably you wouldn't have found Diddy's DNA on the cocktail because Diddy didn't even get himself a glass of water. He didn't even plug his phone into a wall to charge it. That

was KK shop. He didn't do the simple things that every human on this earth does multiple times a day, because he was just that big and mighty and wealthy and powerful. Do you think he's in his room taping and stapling and mixing powder potions together in a Molotov cocktail. You don't know how the streets work and how powerful people get shit done if you would be dumb enough to utilize that thinking only But man, Mark Agniffilo sure think somebody on that jury is dumb as rocks. If

I were a jury member, I would be offended. Bribery and no police. They're saying bribery's off the table. Bribery means you give somebody money for them not to go to the police. Now, I don't know if that's legally what bribery means to me. Bribery means you're paying somebody to not do something. I don't know that the police element is required in order to make it bribery. He says there was no bribery with the guy he paid

him because he didn't want him to release it. He was just trying to protect himself from some bad press. Never once did the thought of the police even enter his head. Well that's interesting because when he was trying to manipulate and coerce Cassie back to the hotel, he said, the police are gonna get me. Come back. The police are here, you guys, to get your story straight. Mark Agniffelow there's a break again. Like I've said many times on this podcast, a lot of times jury decisions come

down to times of the signs of the time. The government feels questionable as hell right now in lots of ways crazy talk. I still haven't heard him say anything to defend this man. No wonder they didn't put anyone on the stands. They also prosecution. Rinekomi also insinuated that arson bribery, gun owning is not what they're charging him for. In fact, it's been made a lot of all over the internet that they dropped all of these charges and

that they don't feel they can prove things. And now they've done, they've dropped half the charges on him, and everyone in the internet is reporting it wrong and in an uproar. No, they just simplified everything. They took a lot of the intent out and the alleged out, and they just kept it simple. And by the way, he's not being charged specifically on arson, bribery or owning guns. Those are all key elements of racketeering. There's a lot

of them. He's being charged on Rico, not those specific crimes. Mark Agnifilo's breaking down those specific areas because he feels they were weaker in them, and he feels that he could just do a lot of word salad in order to confuse the jury, and that it would likely work because when they go to Rico and they start seeing those words that Mark Agnifilo brought brought into the closing, they would start getting confused. My my, if I were on that jury, I would be offended. Next, he gets

into forced labor, Mia love Diddy. The sex was consensual. Now this one I can't argue, and I didn't really didn't lock on to me during the testimony, But he said, why would he tell her threaten her that he was going to tell Cassie if she didn't do what he wanted. Why would he go to tell Cassie he raped her? That actually kind of made sense to me. He was never going to go tell Cassie he raped this woman,

and why would she think he would. So I don't know that that proves it was consensual, but it does prove that that line of thinking is a little It was a little off for me a little bit. He said that. Oh. He brings out a book at this point and says, look what Mia made for Diddy. She went into the archive, she got all of the besties through all the years. She was so happy and proud of everything that she accomplished with this man. She loved

him so much. She made him this whole, big, beautiful book me as a liar, so he used this scrapbook to suggest that she lied. They said, no one on Diddy's team has taken the stand and said they knowingly committed a crime. Well, that's interesting. I don't know that something isn't a crime just because you didn't know it was. I think if I google that right now, you still go to prison if you commit a crime, even if

you didn't know it was one in most cases. But Cassie does in her testimony start to say I didn't I realized that what we were doing was criminal at like at one point she started to say that during her testimony and they immediately object it. But it seems like in Cassie's testimony, at certain points she started realizing, like, these things are criminal that we're doing, calling these prostitutes, buying their take. Why is he having me always do it?

She didn't know then or at certain met a certain point she started realizing that these things were criminal. At the beginning, she didn't understand which why he was having or do all of it. So I don't even know that that's the case, But I also don't think it matters, he said, And this is potentially a stronger line that he had. He didn't have many, so I guess we could give it to him, he said. So the prosecution wants you to think that some of these freak ops

were consensual and some of them weren't. How did he supposed to know which one was and wasn't? Was fifty five consensual but forty two wasn't? Was twenty five all good? But sixty six that's sixty six one? Nope, Nope. That's literally how ignorantly he said it to the jury. And that could work a little, you know, it's it's ignorant as fuck, but it could work on somebody that wants to lean in his favor. There were hundreds and hundred thousands of these fucking things. How's Diddy supposed to know

which ones were and weren't? Well, you could probably just go back and see if the girl said I don't want to do this, or if the girl was vomiting in the toilet and sick as a dog and probably overdosing and vomiting it out. And then and then when you looked at her and said, good, get it all out so you could take another dick. That one probably wasn't consensual, my man, that one right there. I don't know if it was forty two, sixty six, twenty two,

or eighty nine, but that's the one. Prosecution said there only needed to be one, and we've proved there were more than one. But their way of combating that is, well, which one was it fifty two, sixty five, eighty eight or twenty nine? M It's okay. He said Cassie's rape was a lie. The dates moved around, he was fucking diddy her. Now husband face timed her and saw it. That's not how the story went, and that's not how

the timeline went. But somehow he grabbed all three of those stories and bundled them all together and had it sounded really confusing. Well, how I remember it going was she had had consensual sex after the point that she had gotten rates, but that rape occurred. That was not when the husband facetimed. But somehow he kind of jumbled it all up into something that felt confusing, so they could be confused about the rape. He said in regards to Jane Doe, Diddy was the best thing that ever

happened to her. Her baby daddy got her. A horrible lawyer was taking advantage of her. Diddy came along and did the right thing. You know, Diddy loved that because her baby daddy's his biggest hater, and you know he loved to take a ticket him. They're freak offs. Weren't freakoffs. They were homemade porn. He's still help for to this day. That's what a good guy he is. Jane Doe hit him, took his head and slammed it into the counter. She

was abusive, he said. She was documenting the injuries, obviously documenting the injuries, and he's probably right about that. Basically, Agnifilo ends in, they're targeting Puff. You can't trust the government. They're targeting him for his s fame, wealth power, and they rested Gomy's fifth. They go to lunch, she tells the judge fuck this, that you need to scratch it from the record now. Like I said, Mark, Agnifilo wanted to wait till Monday. The judge decided on now. He

told the jury to strike it. But again, like we always say, the jury can hear. It's struck from the record. All you want, we heard what you heard. So they come back up. This time Maureen's doing the redirect. Maybe she wasn't supposed to, but she stands up, she puts her hair behind her ears, and she looks like she's had it and she's ready. So she comes in and she says, and by the way, there's a lot of talk about the jury's not really resonating with her from

people inside the courtroom. I think that she's one of the best lawyers they have on that side, and I personally think that she's been very effective, and I thought she would be the best person in this moment to take this home. So I'm glad it was her on redirect. She says with puff, No, was never in owe. It was never an option. They have proof that he flew them out on his credit card. They have proof he was paying for these He was paying these sex workers.

What did you think that they were doing there? What is it that they were doing there? If he's never had sex with the prostitute, he would never be with an escort or watch escorts have sex or do anything like that, then why did he fly them out? On his credit card, and why did he pay them for each night they were there? What was that? So stop it with that he would never participate in sex with escorts or do anything with escorts or prostitute. Stop it.

No one needs to call himself an escort. That's not mandatory. Stop it. You know what they were, you know what you were paying for, you know who you flew out. Stop it. They also had made comments about like where were all the witnesses, where were all the escorts? Why didn't you call all these people to the standard they exist? And Marine Comy clears up there were unw called witnesses on both sides. Both sides were available to call people, so you called nobody, So stop it. Then she had

a little funny line in there. She said something to the extent of like, uh, what did did he do all of this with paying the escorts and having them out there? Do you think that escorts wanted to come into a room willingly and watch a masked masturbating celebrity. Do you think that these escorts just wanted to sit there and watch a mask celebrity masturbating? You think they just for free for fundsies? No, they were paid and they were paid for the sex work that they did.

And then she said, you're right about did he being a man that likes to use his fist, he doesn't need the guns. Remember a Nikkol said, why would he need a gun? He just got his fist. Well, she said, you're right. He does use his fists for women. For women, that's when he used his fist. That's when he does the Hollywood rumble, the Hollywood fist bite. He pulls the knuckles out for the women. He can't show up for men with his fists. She says, so you're right, he

is a hitter. And then they said basically the same thing I said in regards to Uh. There's plenty of evidence that he's the one behind the car. All signs point back to him. He wrote back. Cassie even said he's gonna go He's gonna blow up kid Cutty's car. He just said it. She put it in writing at that time. Of course he didn't make the Molotov cocktail. Of course you wouldn't find his DNA on it. It doesn't really matter. There's plenty of other evidence that he

was involved and instructed the car situation with Cuddy. KK lived in the house. She had access to all of his phones. She was the one that was calming everyone down, creating all of the She was problem solving. She was the fixer. She made the payments for bribery. She's the one that went and visited Eddie. She's the one that gave him the money. Kk alone makes Diddy guilty on count one. Kak Alone Agniffolo brings up a lot about the drugs. Oh yeah there, Oh what was he smuggling?

You were smuggling? Where's the smuggling? Where's this? Where's that? Where's all the things that take racketeering? She said, hey, Agniffolo, you missed one thing. Distribution. That's a big part Enrico of drug trafficking. Distribution. Distribution is when he told all the girls take this pill. When Jane Doe was vomiting. She couldn't, she couldn't perform, she couldn't do it anymore. Go ahead and take this pill. How many times did we hear somebody testify to him saying, come take this pill?

Is it? Am I coercing you? This pill? Right here? He told everybody to take the pill. He told the assistants take the pill. He told the escorts take the pill. He was just doing the distribution with everybody around him. He was making sure that everybody was involved in the drugs distribution is definitely there. So the trafficking of drugs

charge in the RICO overall charge is definitely there. He literally told Jane Doe when she didn't want to do the freak off after being beaten all night, take this pill and go suck that dick. In regard to the girls, well, Marine Komi said, so all these girls wanted to do it, Hans, They were just they couldn't wait to get their day in a freak off. Yeah, that's that's what we're going with. Well, did the girls love it when they had blaming? UTI's

up for women listening. If y'all have ever had a UTI, you know, it's probably the worst pain there is. I'm not out a child, so I don't know that kind of pain, but a UTI is like your eyes are burning and you can't fucking breathe until you get an antibiotic. It's a horrible thing to have. Did they want to continue on in days of satisfying Diddy's sexual behaviors with a uti? Did they want to do it raw? Did

they want to do it with stores everywhere? Did they want to do it while they were bleeding, while while they were choking, choking on piths? Are you really trying to tell the jury that that's what all the women that testified wanted every time? Stop it? That's a fucking mic drop right there. Period. And she also said, do you think that these women would come up here and I'll commit perjury because that's what you're accusing them of doing. Cassie,

he says, she was in it for the money. Well, Cassie already got her thirty million before she took the stand. She was good to go. She didn't have to get up there and embarrass tell embarrassing details about her entire experience to the world for multiple days on the stand. A week before she gave birth. She already had her thirty mels. She was straight. Mia, What does Miya get from this? You don't get an Academy award, you don't get any accolades from the industry. You probably don't get

hired again if you're anywhere near this case. So Mia gets nothing from this. Jane Doe, where's her lawsuit? Where's her money grabs? Kitty's actually still paying for her attorneys for her home. So if she does damage to him, he goes to prison. She's down bad because she ain't gonna have rent. So where does she benefit in any of this is what Marine Comi says. She also says, these last few things that are I think the strongest to take home, which is jealousy, tells us nothing about

sex trafficking. Talk about all their jealousy of each other, all you want, it just doesn't have anything to do with sex trafficking. No was never an option. No was never an option. Let's remember that no was never an option with Ditty. Manipulation goes hand in hand with the sex. Violence goes hand in hand with the sex. You all saw the sex. You saw the videos and the pictures. Manipulation, sports by all of it goes hand in hand with the sex. Why you say, because it was always about

what did he wants? It was always his needs being met. And now Jane Doe makes sense to me as they put it all together, because her testimony was difficult, but at the end of the day, she established the same pattern that Cassie did, the same pattern that the escorts did, the same pattern that any of Diddy's employees had established,

having to set up everything that he did. No matter which girl he was running through, they all had to do the same things, the same costumes, the same baby oil, the same astroglide, the same inflatables, the same hooker heels, the same everything. It was always what did he wanted. It was always to fulfill his desires. They were expect to stay on script at all times. How you feeling horny, daddy? How do you want it? I want it extra freaky

this time. Every girl switches it up. When you're in a ten year relationship, couple few even a few years of a relationship, you don't want the same thing every single time. Nobody really does. Yet they all did the same thing every time. They all did what did he wanted? Every single time. The drugs got harder, But did he got what he wanted every single time. It was always what he wanted, and when you didn't do what he wanted, there were consequences. He would be in a bad mode.

He would create consequences. I'm not paying for your house anymore. You don't get to have a career anymore. All go on to another girl and fuck you. I'll leave you with nothing. We would see other patterns. If these girls were mostly willing, are always willing, and always having fun and always enjoying, you would see patterns of other things. You would see patterns of things that they wanted and

that they enjoyed. These were all Ditty's fantasies. No was never an option in Ditty's world and is someone that works for him and is an insider. Marinekomi is absolutely one hundred percent correct. No was never an option with Ditty. Diddy knew what he was doing. He's a billionaire, she says. He's not a dummy. He knows what he was doing.

He knows what's criminal and he knows what's not. That's why he was having all the girls do most of the work, and that's why he was having all of his co conspirators running around doing most of the work. Sex trafficking is about getting someone to say yes through illegal means, fourth fraud, coercion. One time is all you need, and there's been way more than one time that has been established during this trial. That's where we're at so far, and we shall see y'all, love you, see you later.

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