‘Criminal State’: Unmasking the CCP’s Whole-of-Society Espionage Playbook | Nicholas Eftimiades

There are few people who understand the workings of Chinese espionage as well as Nicholas Eftimiades.

After a 34-year government career—including time at the CIA, Department of State, and Defense Intelligence Agency—he’s now a professor at Penn State University’s Homeland Security Program and a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

“China uses what we call a whole-of-society approach to conducting espionage. … We’re not talking about thousands [of people]. We’re talking about tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people engaged globally in carrying out the CCP’s will,” Eftimiades says.

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