How To Navigate Your Family During The Holidays

[00:00:00] Corinne Foxx: Welcome back to another episode of Am I Doing This Right? I'm Corinne Foxx.

[00:00:04] Natalie McMillan: And I'm Natalie McMillan.

[00:00:05] Corinne Foxx: And we are best friends, confidants, millennials, and the hosts of Am I Doing This Right? A life how-to podcast from the perspective of non-experts.

[00:00:15] Natalie McMillan: And each week we cover a new topic, and we drink a new bottle of wine.

[00:00:19] Corinne Foxx: Yes, and we are going to need alcohol for this topic because we're talking family, we're talking family, we're talking holidays.

The topic today is how to navigate your family during the holidays. How to avoid drama during the holidays, how to prioritize your mental health during the holidays, and what to do if you're not going home for the holidays, which is a touchy subject for a lot of parents.

[00:00:44] Natalie McMillan: Yes, all of these things are not easy. These things, we need a how to.

[00:00:50] Corinne Foxx: And Thanksgiving is two days away.

[00:00:52] Natalie McMillan: Thanksgiving is right around that corner, ladies and gents.

[00:00:56] Corinne Foxx: And Christmas and Hanukkah and all of that.

[00:00:59] Natalie McMillan: It's all coming up.

[00:01:01] Corinne Foxx: It's supposed to be cheerful time, but sometimes it's a tearful time.

[00:01:04] Natalie McMillan: Did you just make that up?

[00:01:05] Corinne Foxx: Yeah.

[00:01:06] Natalie McMillan: Wow. That's going in the newsletter, which you guys should sign up for on our website.

[00:01:12] Corinne Foxx: We have a new newsletter, you guys.

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For me usually more than more often than not.

[00:01:31] Corinne Foxx: Yeah, it'll be a once a week, uh, email. So we're not going to spam you guys, but we just really wanted to find a way to connect with our Am I community. So starting a newsletter was the next step.

[00:01:42] Natalie McMillan: Was next step. Um, but next next step pouring this glass of wine.

[00:01:50] Corinne Foxx: What are we drinking, that Nat?

[00:01:51] Natalie McMillan: We are going to, we are drinking the 2007 Firestone Syrah. I don't think we've had a Syrah yet.

[00:02:00] Corinne Foxx: I don't know if I like a Syrah.

[00:02:02] Natalie McMillan: Santa Ynez Valley. I don't know if I like one either.

[00:02:07] Corinne Foxx: Okay. We'll see. Let's let's see.

[00:02:10] Natalie McMillan: Let's do a little, let's do a little taste test.

[00:02:14] Corinne Foxx: Holy shit.

[00:02:16] Natalie McMillan: Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. Wow. Okay

[00:02:22] Corinne Foxx: Why don't you take a sip? Nat's just smelling it.

[00:02:25] Natalie McMillan: Should I, you know, what's funny. It's the thing I thought of is something that current always says, which is it's very gamey. Corinne, I love describing anything as a game. It's like seeing a blueberries. It's very gamey.

[00:02:40] Corinne Foxx: Well, at some time I went through a period of time where I was feeling like a lot of things. I was tasting tasted gamey. Like the thing it came from, you know, I sometimes eggs are a little gamey for me. It's like, oh, this tastes like the chicken's ass. And I kind of. I have it, um, but not do something to tell me, because you've written here on our script that Tim cook listens to our podcast.

[00:03:03] Natalie McMillan: Tim cook must listen to our podcast. Do you recall a few episodes ago? I citizens arrested.

[00:03:10] Corinne Foxx: Yeah, we both did.

[00:03:11] Natalie McMillan: We both did. Yes. For a myriad of reasons.

[00:03:14] Corinne Foxx: You guys don't know Tim cook is the CEO of apple

[00:03:16] Natalie McMillan: CEO of apple. Yes. And I arrested him because. Mainly for the voice notes feature, because I'm like, this is absolute bullshit that you can't pause.

You can't go back. You can't go for it. Like what? Okay. Well, two weeks later, iPhone got an update and guess what you can do now you can pause. You can go back, you can go for it. You can realist I'm like, so Tim cook must be listening. So hi, Tim cook. I have more suggestions for you. Justin's we'd love a sponsorship would absolutely.

[00:03:47] Corinne Foxx: We will go back and revise our citizens arrest for some kids.

[00:03:51] Natalie McMillan: Ash. I'm washing money out of prison for that cash. Cause I know you've got a lot. I also think we could give him valuable information.

[00:04:00] Corinne Foxx: Yeah, i, especially you, I feel like you have a laundry list.

[00:04:05] Natalie McMillan: I think before I go to sleep, I'm like, what would I tell Tim cook? What would I tell him? And listening, he's listening and we've got one down.

[00:04:14] Corinne Foxx: I need to go, man. I need to get the update. I don't have it yet. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I wasn't a bail made available.

[00:04:21] Natalie McMillan: Mine just did it overnight one day.

[00:04:23] Corinne Foxx: Well, at Tim cook, how do I update my phone? And is it going to delete everything on my phone?

[00:04:28] Natalie McMillan: This was the first update that I was like, oh, I actually like this. Like, this is actually different and like helpful.

[00:04:35] Corinne Foxx: Really. Sometimes it's unhelpful. Speaking of unhelpful, going over the holidays. It does not feel fun. It's not fun. Um, so not, should we talk about why we chose this topic beyond it being very tired?

[00:04:50] Natalie McMillan: Right. Well, you know, the holidays they're synonymous with peace and love and joy for many Americans who celebrate the holiday season is actually filled with physical and emotional discomfort. In fact, 88% feel stressed when celebrating the holidays and the average couple will have seven argument throughout the season, according to new research, which is like one a week.

[00:05:14] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. During the holiday season. Yeah, you're just at each other's neck.

[00:05:18] Natalie McMillan: You're just like going,

[00:05:19] Corinne Foxx: Joe, get prepared. Sorry. Um, no, there was another fact that I've found so interesting and also very validating a survey of 2000 Americans who are traveling to visit family for the holidays found respondents can spend an average of three hours and 54 minutes with their family before needing a moment. Before they need to be like, I needed a breath of fresh air. I need to go to the other room, go home. Honestly, it's not 3 55, 3 50 for three hours and 54 minutes before it started to go.

[00:05:53] Natalie McMillan: That's when you're going to the bathroom and like just taking a break.

[00:05:58] Corinne Foxx: But then it's like, a lot of times you can't do that because you go home, like are stuck. Right? And you're like, well, I'm stuck here.

[00:06:05] Natalie McMillan: I remember being little at Thanksgiving and being like, are we going to leave? You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:06:11] Corinne Foxx: Thanks. Kidding. Here's a weird one for me. I long said it's her favorite holiday? I was like, well, what.

[00:06:17] Natalie McMillan: Okay, this is not scientifically backed. This is just something that I came up with the other day, but I think it has merit. And that is because I was talking to my mom about how Mullins. Don't give a shit about Thanksgiving. I'm like, I don't know anybody who like , I don't care. And then I was like, oh, we're the first generation ever, like in the history of the world where the majority of our parents are divorced.

Nobody wants to deal with their fucking, like, okay. If I go here then are they going to be mad at me? Or if I go, okay, well then if I go this next year, then I have to write. Yeah, my other, my mom's parents.

[00:06:58] Corinne Foxx: My grandparents were together, um, on my mom's side and she loves Thanksgiving. And also another little caveat to that is that we're not parents yet. And like my mom's like, I hate Christmas. I got to spend a bunch of money on you. Right? I mean, not that she don't wanna give me gifts, but she's just like, it's like an expensive holiday, which is like Thanksgiving all I have to do is cook and I'm like, I hate to cooking. Same. I love giving gifts, but I also don't have like children who have to buy like thousands of thousands boys that they're just going to trash.

So it makes sense. But most of us, we do have to go home for the holidays now. So we should get into how to survive the holidays. Like. Get through them and how to avoid drama as much as possible. What's the first thing we need to do.

[00:07:41] Natalie McMillan: So according to NPR, many people feel obligated to attend holidays with their family. Even if they know it will be bad for their mental or even physical health, simply because they believe everyone's needs are more important than their own. Yeah, I can relate. I can relate. So the first little tip here is don't use holidays as a time or a place to repair old childhood wounds. Not the time, not the, not the time, nor the place, uh, with difficult family, keep conversations simple.

Don't start a debate or get drawn into their drama. If you can't answer without wanting to like lash out, then just kind of excuse yourself from the conversation and don't come back. Yeah. And don't apologize or defend yourself or make it just remove yourself right from the sitch.

[00:08:31] Corinne Foxx: Right at that three hour 54 minute mark.

[00:08:33] Natalie McMillan: If you're about to snap, if you're going to do a snap and stab, walk away, go ahead and walk away. Um, another thing to avoid drama, don't expect people to change. Hmm. Don't expect people to be any different from who they are, whatever, or whoever irritated you last year. They'll probably do the same this year.

So just be prepared if you go into your holiday, hoping people will be different this year. That's just going to set you up for a big disappointment people. Typically don't like. drastically change.

[00:09:03] Corinne Foxx: Right? Like if you got that, we are creepy uncle he's stand like that, and he's going to continue to be at that. Another thing that you can do to help avoid drama or just survive the holidays is to learn to control what you can. So whether your family has profoundly hurt you or regular. And you use the holiday time to become a stronger person. So no one can touch your thoughts. So think what you want. Laugh to yourself, give yourself tremendous amounts of compassion as you navigate your complicated family landscape.

And when you meet dysfunctions, With incredibly healthy functioning on your part, you don't hand over your emotions to anyone else and not, I will say that you do a great job at doing that. I feel like you're really good about like, if you're in a situation that you don't want to be in or you're kind of just, you're like, I'm gonna laugh about this later.

[00:09:50] Natalie McMillan: Oh, I do, I will go home.

[00:09:53] Corinne Foxx: We got to use humor, obviously abusive situation. Yes. Don't go home. Oh, it's abusive. But if it's kind of that passive aggressive and you always, you know, and you just have to be like, I'm

[00:10:04] Natalie McMillan: just gonna shake it off and find it to be funny or something, do something, something, because if you dwell on it, it just makes you feel bad.

[00:10:12] Corinne Foxx: Yes. But again, I mean, there's a limit to that, right? Yeah. Also creating boundaries is going to be one thing that's going to really help you during the holidays. So if someone tries to put you off balance, remind yourself not to personalize it, how people act and behave is a reflection of who they are and has nothing to do with you.

[00:10:31] Natalie McMillan: That part that's actually just a big life lesson in general,

[00:10:34] Corinne Foxx: in general. Even though it can be tough. Try not to personalize hurtful comments and remind yourself not to take the bait and rise above the clamor by mentally sending love to everyone. Before you walk in the door, you also do that. I, yeah, you kind of do like an energetic cleanse.

You're like, okay, you're not going to hurt me. And I hope you're

[00:10:52] Natalie McMillan: well, yes, I do that every single morning, every single morning, I'll be like, I'm sending you love and healing. And, but my energy is protected. Yeah. So don't come for me. I'm just over here

[00:11:05] Corinne Foxx: existing, but we also have to prioritize our mental health during the holidays net. And let's give some tips on how to do

[00:11:13] Natalie McMillan: that. Yes. So number one, tip for this and just kind of for life. Yeah. Focus on gratitude. So when we intentionally focus on the good. In someone else on the value of their contribution, we interact more positively. Even the people in our lives who have caused us a lot of pain have taught us some very important lessons.

So we can kind of acknowledge that at this time. And behavioral science tells us that gratitude can also improve our mental health. And it's a lot easier to deal with unhealthy family dynamics with more positive mental health on board. Our next little tip here. Plan ahead. Plan ahead. If you're asking the uncomfortable question, how will you respond? If conversation turns into a controversial topic, what will you say?

[00:12:05] Corinne Foxx: Vaccines, politics, et cetera, et

[00:12:08] Natalie McMillan: cetera. If you start to feel anxious or angry or inadequate, what will you do? Hint of yourself. Um, maybe you just need some canned answers or maybe an exit strategy. Yeah. Sometimes you just need to take a deep breath and, and disengage. Yeah.

[00:12:27] Corinne Foxx: There are situations where I'll be like, not if I text you, call me, just get, cause I need to get.

[00:12:32] Natalie McMillan: We need

[00:12:33] Corinne Foxx: a, we need to be on standby. And if I hate you, just call me with an emergency. Yeah, I gotta

[00:12:38] Natalie McMillan: go. I need to leave immediately.

[00:12:41] Corinne Foxx: Another way to protect your mental health is like we just said, find a way to laugh.

Um, when it's all said and done, even if you ended up in another dysfunctional holiday event, try to find the humor in it. Then the theme here is that humor is going to get you really through the holidays and being able to laugh at this and not. So personally offended by everything. Um, they, cause if you know your family and you're like, this is,

[00:13:05] Natalie McMillan: yeah, honestly, most of my best stories come from like how fucking insane my family is.

And so I'm like, I can look back and laugh. Now that there's things. The funny thing though, also is my family knows that we're extremely dysfunctional. And so like things that were so painful at one point we will like cry, laughing. Yeah, because what else are you going to do? What else are you going now?

[00:13:32] Corinne Foxx: Laugh later, later.

[00:13:34] Natalie McMillan: Great.

[00:13:36] Corinne Foxx: But now you brought up an interesting point that a lot of adult children have divorced parents. I don't have divorced parents. My parents were never together and they also celebrate their holidays together. Yes, they it's a blended situation. But so I don't have to deal with it. I kind of, not really. Yeah. I think you, I mean,

[00:13:56] Natalie McMillan: I have a different scenario in which like your parents very much like get along and are like, and I think some people with divorced parents also have that, um,

[00:14:05] Corinne Foxx: lot can't be in the same room and things like that. And, and, um, but not to you, but you have divorced parents. I feel like you've kind of learned how to navigate that.

[00:14:14] Natalie McMillan: Yes. And it can be very dicey of course, especially, um, if they've had like a particularly. Ugly split, which a lot of us have gone through. Um, it's very hard to be caught in the middle, especially like we love both parents and we would love to see them both for the holidays, but unfortunately there's just one day and there's one of you and there's one of me and usually the parents don't live in the same town or something.

So it's tough. So. Tip number one for fellow adult, children of divorced parents is just remember that you can't please, everyone it's so much easier said than done, but you just really have to remind yourself. I can't I'm one person. I cannot please, both people. You know what I mean? And also you can acknowledge that feelings are hurt.

So I'm Heidi McBain. She's a marriage and family therapist. She says there are potentially a lot of people who will feel hurt if you do not spend the holidays with them. So you may feel guilt because you're closer to one parent and want to spend time with. Or you might even be angry that you're in the position that you have to choose.

So all of those things are completely valid, very normal feelings. And if a family member is feeling upset, you should acknowledge their hurt feelings as well. Just be like, no, like I understand, like I don't fight. We're all bummed out about the sitch, you know what I mean? And then, um, third do what you want.

Do what you want for the holidays and not what you're, you know, quote unquote expecting pressured or pressured to do. It's very easy to fall into the trap of trying to make each parent happy first and then deal with your needs second. Um, and still, even if you try to do that, it's usually never enough unless you have like very highly, emotionally intelligent parents.

Like it will just never be, you can try everything and you might still just feel. I still got burned on this, you know, just do what is right for you. We are adults. Now, if you're listening to this will likely, and you can make your own decisions. Yeah. So, but another thing that people should know on that same vein is how to tell your parents you're not coming home. For the holidays.

[00:16:38] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. And that, that could be because you're going with one parent and up, yeah. There could be a financial, uh, restraints. It could be COVID. I mean, there's so many reasons people don't go home for the holidays. And I think a lot of people stress about like, how am I going to tell them, or what am I going to do?

Um, but what we found is that telling your family about your plans, as soon as you've made a decision, or if it makes sense, as soon as you started considering not going home is the best course of action in generally. Kind and courteous to let someone know as early as possible that you won't be attending an event they're expecting you and your family.

You know, they deserve the same respect. Like if, you know, like don't wait to the last minute and be like, Hey, so I'm not coming tomorrow. You know? And cause I think

[00:17:22] Natalie McMillan: I'm like, I have your place. Matt sat here, you asshole.

[00:17:25] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. And like you were saying, expect that they're going to be a little hurt and disappointed when you tell them and give them some time and space to process their feelings. Set of writing and airtight defense or offering a 30 point apology, get comfortable with the idea of simply saying, yeah, you know, I hear you. I know. And I'm sorry. And then just letting them feel their feelings for a bit,

[00:17:49] Natalie McMillan: again, acknowledge that feeling. Are hurt. Yeah.

[00:17:52] Corinne Foxx: They're going to hurt. And you know, when it comes time to tell them what's going on, don't beat around the Bush. J something like I wanted to talk to you about the holidays this year. I know we typically do X this year. I've decided to do Y and set instead. And new what's really important is that I decided part it's important because it communicates that the decision is. Yeah, that you've made it yourself and don't throw your partner under the bus here and be like, oh, well, you know, Tim doesn't want to come and Tim's family now you've decided,

[00:18:26] Natalie McMillan: oh, there you go. Because also it's like, I have thought about this. Yeah. I ha you know, it's not just like, uh, off the whim or off the cover, whatever. Yeah. And if you're not going home for COVID related reasons, You can say, you know, I've read too many stories about small family gatherings ending in tragedy, and I just, I'm not comfortable taking that risk, you know?

Or you can say, I love you so much, but I really couldn't live with myself if I got you sick. Yeah. These are very, very valid

[00:18:57] Corinne Foxx: things. We're still in it, even with vaccines and whatnot, and like people have different comfortability levels and it's like, I know that sometimes parents can start to guilt trip. You like, I've been looking forward to this all year. And it's like, yeah. But like, I'm not going to have next year with. Yeah. Right, right. And we don't take the precautions

[00:19:18] Natalie McMillan: and we're going to go back to the big overarching theme of taking care of your mental health. If you're going to be super anxious, like, oh my God, what if I have COVID? What if I brought it home to my mom? And then what if I brought in my grandma? Like, just don't even go there. It's not worth it. Yeah. There will be next year. And, well, we don't know. It will be

[00:19:36] Corinne Foxx: next year if yesterday says, um, but off that point, you might be having your own holidays for the first time or holiday at home or a holiday away from your family. So how do you have your own holiday? Still make it feel special or just get through it alone.

[00:19:53] Natalie McMillan: Yeah. So number one, reset your expectations. So whether it's dinner at your aunt's house every year or pie from the bakery in your hometown, you probably associate certain traditions with the holidays, but if this year has taught us anything, it's how to be flexible and how to embrace the unexpected.

So it kind of just reset. Yeah. And also try to find joy in something new, like try the pie from the bakery near your apartment that you've always been like, oh, that looks kind of good. Like I want to try it out. Yeah. Kind of do something like that. Another thing you can do is plan an outing, like go on a hike, go to the movies, a park, a museum, just go with a group or by yourself, like a couple of years ago, actually my brother and I.

We were just like, let's just, we, we got Turkey sandwiches, he brought a cooler and we went to the century city mall. We watched two movies back to back. That sounds like a great time. Great Thanksgiving.

[00:20:57] Corinne Foxx: I mean off, I mean, another point we have is. New traditions, you know, with your substitute family or, you know, the family you have around.

So get the people that you love together, either in person, or you could even do video chat and decide on some new activities or traditions to start as a group. And it could be like an epic virtual game night or a dance party using your favorite playlist or a no home. Barred emotionally raw conversation.

[00:21:25] Natalie McMillan: You've why not play play. Oh God. We're not really. Strangers came out with a family edition. I got three of them. I thought I should. I

[00:21:31] Corinne Foxx: was like, should I get it for Christmas? Like we're not really strangers in the show notes because it's a really fun

[00:21:37] Natalie McMillan: card game. Yes. But that could definitely be a no, no holds barred emotional conversation, depending on how it.

[00:21:44] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. Um, and lastly, something to do during the holidays is to help others, volunteering at a mission or shelter for the homeless will help you feel connected to others. Even if they're not your family and happiness researchers have found that people who volunteer often walk away with better mental wellbeing, having done something good for others in the process.

So, I mean, at the end of the day, like that's really what the holidays are about. Like, yeah, not really. It doesn't have to be your exact family, but yeah. Community. It's about giving back. It's about appreciating others. And so if you, you know, if you're alone and you just want that sense of connection volunteer somewhere, I volunteered at a, um, a mission for, uh, veterans maybe to thanks even for COVID.

And, um, it was so great just to say thank you to them for their service, serve them food. Um, and that honestly, I don't think they're doing it even this year, but I

[00:22:38] Natalie McMillan: will. You, you're doing something we're doing

[00:22:40] Corinne Foxx: the, um, oh yeah. I've decided I want to do a little giving Tuesday, which is giving Tuesdays the Tuesday after Thanksgiving, where you can go online and bake a lot of donations do nonprofits that you like.

But I was thinking I'm going to do like a little, um, pick-up drop-off for Goodwill and salvation army with my friends. So I told everyone backup whatever's in your closet that you've been wanting to give away. I will pick it up and I will drop it off

[00:23:05] Natalie McMillan: for you, which is, um, actually a huge, like, I hate I'll have bags for Goodwill and I'm like, God, take it.

[00:23:12] Corinne Foxx: Thank you. I know I have a box in the back of my car, which like, I'm like, I'm going to go. I should just see if any of my friends have anything they want to give. I'll take it. Yes. And it's a big chore

[00:23:21] Natalie McMillan: sometimes, but I think it's a great time to do that. And. Yeah, like you said, this is how the holidays should be. They, we want to minimize the stress. We want to minimize the tears. I want to maximize the cheers. Yeah.

[00:23:43] Corinne Foxx: so that's the episode and we hope you feel confident enough to navigate your family during the holidays. And. Decide to make decisions for yourself and for mental health and for your mental health. And what works for you. And

[00:23:58] Natalie McMillan: you know what? I also think we are at the age, at least you, and I know, I know we've got some younger listeners and some older listeners, but that we really are starting to create our own traditions, our own traditions. Like this is you. This is your first year. You own a home.

[00:24:16] Corinne Foxx: I'm hosting my first Thanksgiving at my house. And I'm thinking like, what little traditions am I going to start? Yeah, it was kind of fun. Yeah. Yes, it's very fun. Um, but let's circle back on this soror that with Firestone Sarov or drinking and intro our, what tea of the week.

[00:24:34] Natalie McMillan: Okay. Would you like to intro, introduce the

[00:24:36] Corinne Foxx: haughty? Yes. I would like to introduce her because one time in a jacuzzi. Oh, oh, I did not meet her. Sorry. I wasn't very excited about jacuzzi at the Oakwood apartments. Natalie, a drunk woman came up to me when I was like 15 and was like, you look like a black Rachel McAdams.

[00:24:56] Natalie McMillan: I'll never forget it. Was I there, you probably were in, I was probably

[00:25:00] Corinne Foxx: in that jacuzzi. It was definitely, it was a grown woman who was drunk. We were 15 and not drinking. Oh man. She was like, you look like a black Rachel McAdams. I was like, I never forgot it. I mean, that's a great compliment. You know what I realized it's because Rachel McAdams has beauty marks on her face. Like. What'd you do what you don't know, but if you Google photos of her, she does. Oh, you're right. She

[00:25:22] Natalie McMillan: does. Well, she is our hobby.

[00:25:24] Corinne Foxx: She's our outing of the week. Sorry, Rachel McAdams. Um, and we chose her because not because a drunk woman told me, I looked like her once in a jacuzzi, but because, um, she was in the movie, the family stone.

[00:25:36] Natalie McMillan: Yeah. Which is about family drama around holidays. Also my baby daddy, uh, Dermot, Mulroney, isn't it. And he looks fine. He looks so good in that movie. So, okay. Do Rachel Mike

[00:25:51] Corinne Foxx: Adams, what is this Firestone? Sarah

[00:25:54] Natalie McMillan: given us, uh, I took one seminar. God damn.

[00:26:04] Corinne Foxx: Not for me. It's not for me. It's a, not for me. We have, I feel bad, but do we have to give it a one?

[00:26:11] Natalie McMillan: I feel so bad. I'm gonna take one more sip to stay.

[00:26:15] Corinne Foxx: Yeah, it's tough. It would be

[00:26:19] Natalie McMillan: it's so dry. I don't like drinking it. It's very oaky tastes like an Oak tree. There is an Oak tree on the actual bottle.

[00:26:29] Corinne Foxx: So not only what's your rating though.

[00:26:33] Natalie McMillan: If I had it with a steak or something, maybe I'd feel different. It's kind of growing on me. The more I take

[00:26:39] Corinne Foxx: sick, I'm going to give it a one average with Mike Adams because Natalie's being indecisive. You're supposed to make decisions for yourself. Oh gosh.

[00:26:46] Natalie McMillan: Okay. And your mental health. Well, yeah, I'm so sorry. Firestone. I don't know who you guys are. Well, I am going to have to also give it a 1

[00:26:56] Corinne Foxx: 0 1. It's a it's a no go. I it's.

[00:27:01] Natalie McMillan: Uh, but you know what? Hey, we've had a lot of perfect tens recently.

[00:27:05] Corinne Foxx: We've had a lot, so we were due, we were due for a, and it's not that it's a bad, see, that's the part. It's not a bad wine. It's just, I would never, I would, I don't like, I don't like it.

[00:27:16] Natalie McMillan: I'm sure it's good in some sort of context that I am not.

[00:27:19] Corinne Foxx: Someone's going to say. Yeah, I'm someone's palate, but, uh, yeah. So what Rachel McAdams for the Firestone Seraph. Yeah. All right. So this is pressure play a little wrap-up game. And this week we're playing book, Mary kale, or fuck kill Mary Mary go.

[00:27:43] Natalie McMillan: I have say. Fuck marry, kill. That's usually what I say or marry.

[00:27:47] Corinne Foxx: Fuck you say Mary. Fuck. Yeah. Um, but anyways, um, I just Googled mine. I don't love it. Okay. Do you want me to go first? No, because let's do mine first to it, so it, you know, and on a, on a sad note. Oh, okay. Um, so I was thinking of. Family, you know, we're in the family genre, I'm thinking of trios and why these people came up. I don't know the Lawrence brothers. Oh my God. There's three of them. There are, and this is an easy one.

Okay. But you know, whatever. Fuck Miguel, Joey Lawrence. Andrew Lawrence, Matthew, Matthew Lawrence. Okay. And if you're too young to know this reference, yeah. Oh our intern semi. We also didn't see her here and she's nodding her head saying she has no idea. And that's fair, Ms. Perez. We're almost a little too young to even know that.

[00:28:46] Natalie McMillan: We're squarely in the, always really trying to be gen Z and I'm like barely old enough to know who were early. No, cause I was old enough to have a full blown post love affair with, uh, Matthew Lawrence. So imagine Lawrence, I'm going to marry, of course a course that boy meets world. I'm like, God, come on God. Okay. Is this Joey Lawrence present day or past, because that really changes Joey Lawrence present day eyebrows.

[00:29:21] Corinne Foxx: It's tough. He does do also a lot of Christmas lifetime movies, which is also holiday. Um, I'm going to say pass because Matthew Lawrence path.

[00:29:31] Natalie McMillan: Yes. But even now he's QT. I've seen pictures of him recently. He's got glasses, which I love for him. So if we're going past Joey, I'm going to fuck Joey. Oh yeah, for sure. And then I'm fortunate. I'm going to have to kill Andrew and it's nothing against Andrew. He was super cutie pie as well, but he also was just sort of like, he was like, Andrew, you know, he was sort of the Kevin. Oh, my God. Look at this photo of him.

[00:29:58] Corinne Foxx: Fuck him. He's a child.

[00:30:01] Natalie McMillan: But look at the locks of love.

[00:30:04] Corinne Foxx: That's the right choice of fuck Joe. I mean,

[00:30:07] Natalie McMillan: he's also a child here married. I would definitely married when he was on boy meets world, though. That was his parietal. No. Joey was hot. Joy was super hot. That's why I was saying like, what do you think he

[00:30:19] Corinne Foxx: got too much, like some work done.

[00:30:21] Natalie McMillan: He got a lot of work done. Honestly. I think that he had his eyebrows waxed into oblivion. That's honestly what I think it is. Cause he doesn't look like he's had that much work done. Matthew

[00:30:33] Corinne Foxx: Lawrence is married to someone now.

[00:30:35] Natalie McMillan: She's married to, um, Cheryl some like a she's like a dancer from a yes.

[00:30:40] Corinne Foxx: I was like very surprised by that match, but I love that. I love that. Okay. Sorry.

[00:30:45] Natalie McMillan: That's what I thought. That was a great one. Yeah. Um, so my fuck marry kill is dune themed because Corrine and I went and saw dune. First of all, go see dune. It was so good.

[00:30:59] Corinne Foxx: It was so great. So good. Why, you know what I'm saying? Quiet for a reason. It's going to be tough. No, no, because I'm wondering if you're going to talk about this now or later on the podcast.

[00:31:08] Natalie McMillan: Well, let me do the fuck marry, kill first. And then we can, we can go back because when we cut, when we walked out of dune, we were like, that is the hottest,

[00:31:17] Corinne Foxx: the most beautiful cast

[00:31:18] Natalie McMillan: I've ever seen, ever seen every single one, 10 out of 10. So this is a tough one because it is Timothy. Timothy Timothy charcuterie board, shallow bay.

Okay. I also read a tweet this morning that said, um, Timothy shallow may sounds like the name of a French mouse. Absolutely does. Um, Timothy Shaolin. Okay. Um, Oscar, Isaac. No, don't do it. Jason, get out.

[00:31:52] Corinne Foxx: I know it's so it's literally, I have to, I have to is killing myself, killing myself. Okay. Okay. Hold on. I just need to, um, look up photos really,

[00:32:03] Natalie McMillan: just to confirm where I'm going with this. I know I, when I wrote, when I thought I just want, I thought this is going to be terror.

[00:32:09] Corinne Foxx: This is terrible. Okay. Cause they're all great.

[00:32:13] Natalie McMillan: God. That's crazy. I guess, short Isaac.

[00:32:19] Corinne Foxx: Okay. This is, this is the truth. We have to fuck Jason. Mamoa are you like, it's not even an option.

[00:32:27] Natalie McMillan: Okay. we also, when we left up, I'm just going to straight up say it. When we left, we said I would climb that man, like a tree. Oh yeah. Please never come down. Never come down this giant man. So we have. For, for the, for the world, the world for the world's sake. Yeah. So we have to fuck chase.

[00:32:49] Corinne Foxx: Mamoa have to marry Oscar, Isaac. He's he is, he is baby daddy, baby daddy energy. I feel like maybe he has an accent in real life. I don't know maybe daddy vibes, but you know what I mean? No, teach my kids Spanish. Right? Sam pepper, salt and pepper too. Yeah. And Timothy. In another lifetime. Would've loved to fuck you. Yeah.

[00:33:14] Natalie McMillan: Put on those 30 lbs,

[00:33:15] Corinne Foxx: you need a cool 20, 20 to 30

[00:33:18] Natalie McMillan: Would love that.

[00:33:20] Corinne Foxx: Way more than him. And it's just the physicality of it.

[00:33:24] Natalie McMillan: Yeah. It's awkward. It's awkward.

[00:33:27] Corinne Foxx: So we have to kill Timothy, even though I do love him. And I feel confident with.

[00:33:32] Natalie McMillan: I, I think I would do the exact same choices as you have made here today.

[00:33:37] Corinne Foxx: But I highly recommend dune and Natalie had a whole Timothy. We saw French dispatch in the same way in the same week.

[00:33:45] Natalie McMillan: And I don't know. I think we've mentioned if you're like a listener from day one. I think we've mentioned that. Like I didn't get, I didn't get it. I didn't get the Timo se thing. Until I saw French dispatch. And then I was like, here's the deal though? When he's in character, he's a whole nother thing.

[00:34:05] Corinne Foxx: If you just see pictures of him, you're like I say, like, I love him. I'm so excited to work with him one day. But I can understand how it's per her Sona might be different than the thing is he's an incredibly talented actor. He blows you away. He's like, if you hadn't seen a lot of his work and you'd just see, maybe you would think differently of him.

[00:34:26] Natalie McMillan: Yes. I had only really seen, cause the only thing I had seen him in was, um, the SNL skit though. That was so good. But once I saw him in front of dispatch, I was like, oh, and then in dune, I was like this man, first of all, I need to know the hair products dropped the hair. Oh my God. His hair was so on-point was so good. She won an Oscar for that. The heritage, the hair was amazing. And then also at the end, when he was like, looking at saying, is that dire like, Ooh, this is my queen.

I'll let me be your queen. I was like, he really, I was like, okay, between these two movies this week, I made Timothy Sharp. He is the white boy of the month. And Timothy charcuterie board is the white boy of the month. Period. That's

[00:35:17] Corinne Foxx: Well, that's our episode. Don't forget to rate and review the podcast. Also, we brought up at the top of the episode that we have a brand new newsletter that you guys can subscribe to go on our website. Am I doing this right? pod.com. Put your email in and be a part of our community because we're sending fun little tips, tricks, episode, detailed shit.

[00:35:37] Natalie McMillan: We'll send you a, we'll send you a picture of all these baby dad.

[00:35:40] Corinne Foxx: Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's coming in hot.

[00:35:43] Natalie McMillan: Open your mailbox. Bam. Timothy shallow right in there. All right. And we'll be back next week with another episode. Love you guys. Bye .