Make Love, Not War

his classic proof that the American dream is alive. And well, here's your host of Always in Fashion, Mark Weber.

say that figures lie, but liars also. Figure numbers should be straightforward, but they're not. You have to look closely. You need to be smart, or your forensic accountant will be I want to talk money in its totality, corporate money, corporate budgets, but particularly I want to talk about how you approach it because the United States is under attack right now. We're at war with ourselves with the way we're spending money. The nonsense that USAID was laid for,

it's just crazy. You know, we have a corporate budget. Let me just make it simple. Every single dollar is accounted for, every single dollar is approved. Everyone looks at everything you take marketing, travel, What class of service are you allowing? At what level we're hotels? Are you allowing? Are people allowed to take taxis limos? Every single line is looked at. Then in marketing you want to talk at advertising, men's how much money are you going to

spend on men versus women? Which products? Where are you going to place your advertising? How often? And then there's the question of the course provide him? And then overall the most important question of all, why are you doing it? You go even further entertainment. Are you to spend your money on taking people's sports arenas or concerts? How about dinner?

Are you going to take them to different countries and this is where you're going or the people in different comptries you're going to visit with they want to know, with whom they want to know? Always why you're doing it? With the big question why every single dollar is looked at an accounted for, except it seems in the USA budget. Donald Trump is president, but he's a CEO first, I bet, and in his heart CEO foremost. Now, he may love the presidency and he loves the country he's doing it,

but he knows how to run. He knows how to plan and process. No one can run anything without a budget, let alone a corporation and of course the United States government. So now here we are in a show that I wanted to talk about. We're at war with Elon Musk. So much for the love. There's a great Einstein story that comes to mind. Einstein is teaching a class and he's working on a blackboard and he puts up the

number nine times one equals nine. Then he puts up nine times two is eighteen, and he goes all the way through ten, and at nine times ten he puts up an answer in ninety one and the class starts laughing and ridiculing him. And when it dies down, he looks at them and said, you know, it's interesting. I got ten answers right. Nobody gave me any credit for that, and then one answer is wrong, and all you want to do is make fun of me and ridicule me.

The point is, in life and society and media, people will always find your mistakes. And who doesn't make mistakes? Only those people who do nothing. So here we are the leftis at war with Elon Musk. When I was ten years old, my mother and father sat me down and gave me a ten dollar bill and they said it's your allowance for the week. And they told me you have to think about it. Mark. You have to be very careful because you're only going to get ten dollars.

So if you go to the candy store, don't spend all your money on the first day you need it. For the week. You have to look at the price of candy, your gum. You need to make a plan, and then don't come to us when your money runs out. It's your money. You have to respect it and you have to treat it well and talking respect and talking money and talking always in fashion. My lawyer, my co host, my son, Jesse Weber.

taking in. Here are my list of expenses. And when I say expenses, it's things you absolutely need to pay for, things that you you could maybe be a little bit more flexible on, and things that you want to buy but you don't you don't have the money to buy. Give an example, rent rent every month, that's a you have to pay that every month, right, you have to Now now you have to eat, doesn't mean that you have to go out to restaurants all the time.

money here. That's a fair conversation, that's a fair thing to have. But the question of how he goes about doing it, that's the problems. By the way, it's the same thing that happened last week where there was the firing of the inspector generals. On one hand, the president has the right to do it. On the other hand, he didn't quite follow the rules on how to fire them in terms of they have a due process rights. And somebody could say, ah, due process, schmooth process.

Elizabeth Warren and your crew there? Where were you? You're the elected officials, You're the ones who should be responsible for all of this. And those Republicans and those Democrats who did take a look, why didn't you object? Was it out of fear of reprisal or was it worse? You didn't think anything was wrong. It's moronic. And what's even moronic these Democrats are doubling down on the country

when the country voted against all of this nonsense. Have they forgotten the shellacking they took their parties and shambles Right now? Now, the part of me that is a Democrat is embarrassed to support them. They have to wake up. Trump is here, Musk is here. They're agents for change, and change is happening. I have a different question.

veterans they needed to raise money. These people who have stood on our behalf and forught wars and got hurt. I'll never understand this. It's crazy. Wounded warriors should have to put their hands out. They don't have enough money to get whatever they need to live a fair life after the sacrifices they made. You, politicians, that's the constitutional crisis. Veterans and wounded warriors don't have money, but you're sending money to Vietnam to tell them to burn the garbage.

What's going on here? And then, of course there's our senior citizens who've lived their lives working, paying taxes, and they get older and in their golden years their financial trouble. Why not take back all those millions and millions and hundreds of millions of dollars in just this one organization and spend it on our people. Why are we spending it outside the United States? I don't get it. I understand no one voted for Elon Musk, but nobody should

vote for you. You want to scream, we win, we win that this that. Why don't you just do the right thing. Why don't you save the money and let it work for you. Why don't you do the right thing to bring back the money to help our own people. Some common sense is in order. Some common sense is about taking care of each other.

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growing up in this industry. Active matter of fact, I was always referred to by the Chinese in Beijing as a friend to China. I don't think it's written anywhere. It was a long time ago. The concept is a friend in need is a friend. Indeed, I was a friend who helped at a difficult time to and then our friends in China. I helped and they helped us. My first trip to China was in the early eighties, at a time when China was reopening to the West. Most of you were too young to remember. Hey, I

was too young to remember. Now let me give you a moment of backdrop for those of you who don't understand the history of China, which is thousands of years old. But let's go back to nineteen forty nine Chairman Mao Mount Saint Tung. He believed that to the west Europe, the West the United States were harmful to his culture. He believed we were ruining China and he didn't want anything to do with it. He embarked upon a principle.

They called it Maoism officially Mount Saint Dung thought it was a variety of Marxism Leninism, and he developed it while trying to realize a social revolution and it was pre industrial society of the People's Republic of China. How he, Mao was considered one of the most significant figures of the twentieth century. His politics and his policy were responsible for a lot of maybe deaths since starvation and persecution, but he had a point of view and he had

a vision for the country. During this time, when he started to try and take China to a different place, there was equivalent of a civil war. There was the General Chiang Khai Schech one of the leading politicians, was pushed out of China. He went to Formosa, which eventually became Taiwan. It started a new Chinese government called the Republic of China. And to this day, the history seventy years later is about who owns China? Does the PRIFC

owned Taiwan? And it's a problem. But back in nineteen forty nine when Mao made a decision to close his doors to the West. And when I say closed, no contact, no commerce, no dialogue, no visitors. He closed China. He felt the Commers party felt that the West was polluting and they wanted nothing to do with us. As this went on for fifty years, there was no direct contact with China, between our government and their government, perhaps behind

the scenes. Nineteen seventy two, then President Nixon, in his Secretary of State Henry Kinchin Henry Kissinger visited China and they agreed to open up the West. China agreed to lift the veil over their country and re engage with the West. It was a feel out process. It was amazing process. It happened relatively quickly, and for the first time in fifty years, China had relations with the United States.

And it was a remarkable time. Could you imagine in China never having in business relations other than cordial relations or diplomatic channels, And now it's open. My first trip, as I said to you, I went in the early days in the early eighties, and it was amazing. I'll never forget. I swear to you this is true. My first trip to Shanghai when I got out of the hall my first trip to Shanghai. When I left the hotel,

people swarmed around me. They were looking at me. They never saw a Western person, they never saw one of us, They'd only seen their own. They swarmed. They literally stought, and they're gaalking and looking, and some of the most adventurous actually touched me. They wondered to see if I was real. That's how far it had been my first recollection. When I saw I was waiting to get picked up in a car, and the car looked like something out

of the fifties. And all the cars in China, including the black Flag limo which I would travel around in, were cars from the fifties. And I asked the head of our Hong Kong office, who's my translator and companion on the trip? I said, what's going on here? Why will these cars look like this? And they said, China only had the plans for making automobiles from the forties and fifties. They closed the door and that's why nobody could see it. And yet here they were changing the

world forever. They wanted to switch from an agrarian population to an industrialized population, get in manufacturing and export all around the world, and companies like the ones I worked for PVH were one of the ones that was going to help that happen. I was part of a wave of American businessmen and women on the front line of opening up this channel. I remember driving in that car down the main thoroughfare. I forgot what it was called.

Don't hold me to it. It was old dust. It wasn't really paid, and there was street sweepers and the dust was overwhelming. They couldn't keep up with it. They picture of rural land with not really great roads and the wind, and it was crazy. And I kept saying to myself, how this this country? I knew it was a concress country. How did this country decide that that particular person, male or female, would be street sweepers versus the people I was soon to meet in the offices.

And I always wondered about that. When I got to China my first trip, there were not a lot of hotels. There were no hotels. They were just starting to open. I am paid the famous Chinese architect built the first modern hotel in Beijing, and that's where I stayed the first time I was there. The next time I went

back there, were enough rooms. They actually started asking people, now that's a kind word, to move out of their homes in the large department buildings that had been built and make room for American or European business people places for them to stay until they had hotels. I personally and many people in my company had traveled to China at that time. I actually slept in the suite that Richard Nixon slept in when he opened up China was

fascinating looking at the people. They all wore uniforms. They were called mouse suits. They came in three colors, army green, navy blue, and industrial gray, and they only had two sizes, too large and too small. It was fascinating. They had absolutely no interest in fashion. What they were great at was banquet dinners. One of my favorite stories, Jesse, you were in Hong Kong.

on motorbikes. You would see guy delivering one hundred hertens on the back of a motorbike. You see families, mother, father, three children on a motorbike. That was their means of transportation. It wasn't just in China and Taiwan and Korea. It was often the same. I'll never forget. One of the most fascinating times I ever had was back in Maxims.

Maxims was a famous famous restaurant built by pr Pia, built by Pierre Cardan in Paris, and someone opened up a license, or Pierre Canadena himself decided to build one in China. Now I'm in this place where it's just it's just at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and in the middle of the city there's this incredible restaurant from Paris called Maxims. What they did is every single door, wall, table chairs were imported and rebuilt to resemble Maxines in

Paris identically in China. All the waiters, all the people working there were dressed in tails and tuxedos. They looked they looked elegant. But before this they were working in fields. So their ability to get the restaurant running the way they wanted to was when we were there, still a work in progress. My favorite of all when it came to ordering drinks, I ordered a club soda or a coke or diet coke. At the time, I used to drink beer because I was afraid of taking ice, so

I drank a lot of beer in those days. Jesse, you ever known me to drink beer?

of tea in the world. In China, when you ordered tea, you got tea leaves and they poured water over the tea leaves and what was underneath it was your tea. And w they served your tea, it had the tea leaves in it, so the tea leaves would get in your mouth or you know, you'd have to sip it differently. So guy orders tea, and there's all kinds of debates going on in China. What's going on in the restaurant. Finally the matre d of the restaurant comes in and says,

we have no tea. So my guy says them, what do you mean no tea? This is China. He says, we have no tea. What they didn't have with tea bags, and therefore they wouldn't serve the tea in maxims the Chinese way. So can you imagine going all the way to China and find out no tea in China. My favorite thing with drinking. Do you ever hear a maltai Jesse? Did you have it when you were in Hong Kong?

We used to have designated drinkers because these guys in China, they were used to going out in parties, taking people out, entertaining. They seemed to be able to drink this stuff. Either that or they were pouring it on the floor and faking us all out. We used to name designated drinkers, and I can't tell you how many people I carried out and my associates carried out on nights with the Chinese and drinking dinner. It was an amazing point of view.

Fortunately for me, I wasn't drinker and I never had to be a designated drinker. But it really it gave us camaraderie and the business was friendly when we showed up the next day to work. Now, as I said before, I had always been a friend to China. I was part of the first exploratory group from the company Phillips Venues and who ventured into China early in the Nixon opening it up, and we went to Beijing to establish relations in or pushed a test order and a shirt

factory in Beijing. Now I happened not to be there on the first trip. The CEO of my company went there, did all a routine and was given an opportunity to buy ten thousand dozen dress shirts in China. Now, the problem was China didn't know how to make our shirts. Now, don't get me wrong, China has a billion people and under those mouth suits they're wearing shirts. So they know how to make shirts, but they weren't familiar with the

international standards. The amount of stitches parents, the amount of buttonholes, the kinds of collars we needed, the way the seams down the armhole would be, the fits. They weren't familiar with any of that, and they needed to learn. They also needed to learn about dye stuffs. What a dye stuff the chemicals that are used to dye fabric that usually comes in white color that needs to be dyed into colors. And the best way I think any of

you out there would recognize it. You ever see or hear stories about somebody wearing a red shirt or red pair of pants and they sit down on a white couch and ruin it because the dye comes up. China didn't know how to make dye stuffs that would not excrete color. They also were making a lot of their products with lead, and in the United States we learned that lead could course cancer. We didn't wanted that, so when we went to China, the first ten thousand dozen

were made in white only. We didn't want to put our own label in them because we were afraid of the quality, and the idea would be we'd import them back into the United States, and if the quality wasn't right, we'd either sell them an off price to one of the retails at a crazy price, but not the venuesing label. We would put the retailer's name in. Whoever that retailer

may be. We called heat ceiling. You take a label with glue on it, you apply heat and pressure and it would permanently affix the label inside the collar of your shirt. The ten thousand shirts came in, the quality was okay. We didn't put the venues and name. We put a private label in, sold it to I don't recall, TJ Max and A Joder. I came in the next time, and the next time I came was time we were going to give them the right to make venues and

treach shirts. They were on it. They were thrilled. We were excited. So I get to China, and in those days, the head office, the head of the government was in Beijing. I guess it still is. The way it would work is we would make manufacture agreements in China with the idea that they'd give us great prices. You just texted me, Jesse.

were treated. I can't tell you how nicely they opened their doors to us, and they made us feel welcome because actually we're about to teach them. Interesting enough, let me go into this for my memory for a second. We were making shirts in the United States, call it a white dress shirt based out of broadcloth. The price was probably around one hundred and twenty dollars a dozen to make those shirts. We also at that point were

importing from Korea at ninety dollars a dozen. We arrived in China and after explaining what our requirements were, what the quantities we needed, what the stitching we needed, the details, all the technical know how, China offers us a price of thirty six dollars a dozen. Think about that, one twenty a dozen from US ninet different creator. They offered us thirty six dollars a dozen without any negotiation. This

is a mind blower. And all the effort, all the time, we took, all the political trips, all the handshake, all the bowing, all the engineers, the test order, the technicians, the marketing people, all the designers. We came to China to teach them how to make shirts, and the nature of our relationship is we would get prices and in turn the engineering know how. We supplied them, including a market in the United States, with a label that was

considered prestigioes around the world. We gave them the opportunity to put their label made in China in our shirts. They're very proud to have these labels. They were very proud to ship products into the United States. When they did, they set a whole team of their delegation to walk in the stores and see Maide in China, in Macy's

or wherever we were shipping it. I'll never forget my first trip on men In fact, before I go there, though, I should talk about how you do business at the rest of the world and compare it to the companies and the offices who we are in Korea. And by the way, anybody says we China stole our technology is not true. We gave it to them gladly in turn for something we thought was important. Now let's get back

to it. If you would go to Taiwan, to Chahar or tap in Hong Kong, work with business owners and companies that wanted to sell your product didn't work the way it didn't China. In China, you had to go to a political office, the head of the political office in Beijing. I'd missed admit when I was there. In Beijing it was called peaking. They didn't change their name back to the traditional in China to very few to

a number of years later. Anyway, we met someone from the head office, we sat down and they would tell us you're going to make your shirts in Beijing factory number one. If we'd ask why number one, you wouldn't get an answer. Is that our only choice no to have a chance to inspect it before we go there. We'll let you walk through the factory. You'll be in the fact factory tomorrow morning at eleven o'clock and we go to the factory. We knew we're going to the business.

We knew there were negotiations, but there was no negotiations. Here's the factory, you're going to make it, and here's the price. So we begin to tour the factory, and the manager of the factory and is people who take us around and show us all the operations, answer any questions. I was accompanied by members of our Hong Kong staff who spoke Mandarin and they translated between me and them and what was going on. And one of my first

recollitions was how professional the factory looked. As they said, China made shirts for a billion people, they just didn't know how to make them the way international people needed them. I walked into the finishing area in the Chinese factor. You know what finishing is just.

there was a conveyor belt. On each side of the conveyor belt were these people, and each one of the people facing the conveyor belt on both sides were Chinese workers. One of them, all of them had a small Chinese bowl, a toothbrush, and a bar of soap. And as the shirt would come around on the conveyor, the various different workers would pick up a shirt and with their toothbrush and soap and water, they would carefully take off any improfessions on the shirt as they passed. I remember leaning

over to my office management. I had an enginey and I said, what the hell is this about? We never seen anything like that. I asked them to find out what were they doing, and interestingly enough, they said, they have making white shirts and they want them to be perfect. Interesting they would take out all the dust and the impurities from the air, particularly white shirts. When we asked why are they doing this, the manager of the factory said,

we have to keep people employed. China was throwing people into the process to make sure the quality is even better than you can imagine at the same time as ours. They were making shirts that could be better than the ones who are making in the finest factories in the United States or anywhere in Hong Kong or industrialized countries. It was amazing to see, and they were doing it because they were learning and they wanted to protect their economy.

Many years later, I remember watching an interview with President Obama at the time, and I think Jing Hun p I forget his name. I'm sorry, I don't remember it really, and they were having a conversation. They were talking about this particular clip that I saw, what keeps you at wake at night? And Obama then started talking about nuclear weapons or terrorism, whatever he perceived to be that which keeped them awake at night, And then he asked the

Chinese premiere what keeps you awake at night? And the Chinese premier said, I need to find twenty million jobs every year for my people. So when you look at the process of the Chinese government, the relationships in China, the businesses being directed through Beijing head office, when you look at what took place in China, our relationship was amazing. We brought technology, we brought them a market. They gave us amazing prices. They were much less than there were

competitors around the world. That was the nature of China. I found them to be unique, honest, interesting negotiations. They knew their guardrails. They always delivered what was promised. We in turn, were honest, paid our bills in time, never canceled orders, held defeat to the fire on quality. It was a wonderful symbionic relationship. We both prosper and as

they learned, our profits increased. Yet back in those days, when I would come to China, they would call me a friend in China, and to this date, I look at China as a friend now. Like I say, it's not as easy for him to say, because I'm not a politician. My job was to conduct business and protect our country's economy and make it work with a foreign communist country. So I can't make judgments. I can't I negotiated by company for I negotiate for my company and

for my country. One lesson you learn you grew up in business. One of the first things they teach you never discuss politics in business, and particularly in a foreign country. It just don't work. You never know what your piece these people are thinking. They're different than you, theresent different thing. You don't know if they would get in trouble. You never mingle business with politics. You don't know what to think. You don't know what you're allowed to say, you don't

know what they're allowed to say. You don't know who's listening. Just go about your business now. I have been caught up in some conversations around the world, but I avoided most. I'll tell you talking politics in a foreign country is dangerous. It's with foreign people. You have a good idea. Of course, you're in a diplomatic corps, then you could do it. You're instructed. No, you need to accomplish. You do not talk politics. And the reality is the Chinese people are

playing chess. This is my greatest concern. I have nothing but the highest regard for these people. But as different as we are, as different as they are, I'm worried that their chess game is better than ours. I don't understand why there's so much activity in China. W appear to be undermining our country when we're such important partners whatever their long game concerns me because we don't seem smart enough. Well, kind of like the intouchables when they said,

you bring a knife to a gunfight. We're bringing a knife to a gunfight. We're fighting a big war here, a war of brains, and we seem to be underutilized and out of our league. And my biggest concern, my biggest concern is Trump. You know, there's starting to be ramifications to what he's called the trade war. I never thought of trade being weaponized and using it to stem the flow of fentanyl, brilliant, using it to get fair trade,

a balance of trade. If we buy a trillion dollars from China, they should buy a trillion dollars from us. But at the end of the day, China seems to be willing to push their plans back by years. They're acting as a country in a position of strength with financial resources, and over the last twelve years, I'm wondering, now that he's woke up our country, are they trying to ruin his presidency? Are they trying to make it hard for Donald Trump to be successful? And why would

they do it in a chess game? Because they think he's strong, they think he's leading the country in a right direction, and they just don't like what he represents for China. I don't know any of that to be true. Our concern is this country that I've worked with, China, where I only had the highest regard for, is now fighting a trade war with the United States. I hope

it lasts a minute. I believe we should be making love, not war, with that back in the minute and will continue to talk about China always.

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some other company. I don't know, but I want to play it for you the article I hadn't read and listen to what it's saying.

without elaborating. PVH is also the parent company of the Tommy Hilfiger brand and has been under Chinese regulatory investments since September for allegedly boycotting cotton from the Shinjiang region, though the statement did not mention the issue. Illumina is the leading global of genetic sequencing and arrival to Chinese biotech giant BGI Genomics company.

I don't know whether President Trump felt it would be just dollars and cents. I didn't know they were going to attack companies and perhaps put us out of business because of this trade embargo. Now, having said that Calvin Klein in particulars is getting involved with the laws of the land in China, you were heard in that article they refused to buy cotton in that territory. Once again, if my memory serves me right. That territory in China

employs prison workers. They make people who are working in prisons work in the factories without getting paid. And I think that's against our rules or our laws. Jesse, do you know if that's illegal here?

the prison labor, We're not going to buy. So you don't put us in those factories. But it's after the fact. I've learned a great lesson. I have a great story for you. A couple of them actually Bangladesh. Bangladesh had a problem, a lot of street gangs, a lot of learned children. There's not enough schools, not enough daycare, and not enough places for them to be without getting in trouble.

So young kids, boys in particular, whatever school ended, their parents were working or there's no school, they're running around the streets. They're getting into trouble, lots of trouble. So a lot of Bangladesh parents wanted to bring their children to work. They would come to work, they would work right next to the mother. They would make money to help the family live because they weren't making enough money to get by. So the children were working. But the most

important part, the children weren't getting into trouble. They were not on the streets running around with gangs. It is against our policies as a country to work with factories that employ child labor. Now here's the question, what do we know about what's going on in Bangladesh? Are we helping them are hurting them? If the mother is involved and she's made the decision, of the fathers involved and they made the decision, is it right to impose our

will on the Bangladesh people. I always agree to it because that's the rules that are established in the United States, But there are questions about telling people in foreign countries how to work. That was a great thing. We made a stand that everyone in Asia deserve to be paid for overtime. But what would happen at the critical months

before Easter, before Christmas? These people had to work overtime, and they were forced to work overtime even though it's against our rules, and we were left for the quandary, do you want the products you're bought or not? And no matter whether they said it or not, no matter whether they agree it or not, an awful lot of factories are running two sets of books, one showing those

people getting paid and the other not. I have no idea what happened, but it just goes to show you how you tricky it is to get involved in foreign labor camps. I'm concerned for Calvin Klein, concerned for our countries. I'm concerned for all these things. It's a mess. I don't think Donald Trump has done anything wrong. I believe that behind the scenes they're talking. But before it gets too out of hand, there's a lot of things that have to go on. China, like them or love them,

they have a country to run. They want to keep their people employed. You know the one thing I learned traveling all around the world, Well, I said before you never discussed politics. You can talk to people about being people. And the one thing I learned no matter what country I was ever in, whether it's in Paris or Taiwan, Korea, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Hong Kong, China, Macau, you name it,