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He's gone from clerk to CEO twice. Mark is classic proof that the American dream is alive and well, here's your host of Always in Fashion, Mark Webber Weber. Everything is funny when it's happening to someone else me. I'm enjoying my time on the dark side. I prefer leaving nice behind. No political correctness, no social graces, no extending pleasantries, no extenuating circumstances. I'm calling it like I see it. And what did I see this
week? A symbol of the dark side telling me I'm on the right track. That big gray, ugly rat balloon in front of all things a school. It's funny when that rat isn't aimed at you and what you're doing. I remember the first time I encountered that rat, not a clue what it was of what it represented. It was in the street in front of the
corporate headquarters of Phillips Venues and at the time two hundred Madison Avenue. The rat wasn't by himself and all his glory, Oh no, it had a bunch of what turned out to be union work is demonstrating against our company PVH in the front of the building. I got a kick out of it. What the heck did we do to bring in protesters to our company? Was
such good guys. Got to the elevator laughing, walked to my office smiling, hug up my jacket and want the length of the hallway down to the CEO's office and laughing, I said, what the hell is this about. It was at that precise moment I realized the difference between being the president versus being the CEO. He was depressed besides himself, and I was having a great time being ridiculed by the rat. Yeah, the CEO gets the big bucks, but the buck also stops with him. CEO is a lonely job
in corporate America. It's really all on him. The president's job, particularly mine, is chief operating office, was an important, strategic and task responsible role. But I was screened from the toughness that it took on the CEO. I was having fun. He was miserable. It's not easy having the rat in front of your office building while they're chanting the name of the CEO. He's a rat. He's a rat. And it wasn't Mark Webber a
rat. Now I has something you probably don't know about corporate America. In a public company, if they're a financial improprieties, there are only two people accountable, the chief financial officer and the CEO. They get purple walked out of the building with handcuffs. I remember. Also, not too long after, CBS had a story on human rights compliant or the lacter of workers in sweatshops and expose life from Asia, the SHEEO walking out of his building,
shielding his face, ignoring the questions thrown at him from reporters. Yeah, that's the life of the CEO, but not the president. This is where you can see my dark side, my smiley face until of a CEO. Then the rat is not so funny. Everything is funny when it's happening to someone else. In reality, we were targeted, and I'll get to that. But this week I saw the rat while walking through my neighborhood. Hold that thought as well. Rats. I had a meeting this week with the
principle of a large billion dollar company. During a conversation, he asked me if I knew a particular guy, did I work with him? I hesitated, and after he said, the guy's a problem and I knew him and I remembered him. He was a friend, but he was also a rat. So of all things, this week is the reek of the rat now joining me on the darker side of the personality scale. Jesse Weber of Attorney, co host and sun Hey, Jesse, Hey, I'm not a dark
side guy. I don't know why you've classified me as that, although I will admit you seem to thrive on the dark side. That seems to be your comfort zone. Hey, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute? Waited, I admit I'm on the dark side. I just sold you when you're joining me for a trip on the duck side. I didn't say you were a duck side guy, but you're making it seem like
I like it too. You're the one who's funny when you're angry. You're the one who's I don't want to say better, but I think you give sometimes a more entertaining show when you're angry and you're on the dark side. Now, look what happened last week when you were back to yourself. Oh my goodness, everybody loved it exactly. So I'm not angry, I'm just not sweet. Well, it's funny when you talk about the dark side,
because there's this fascination that we have today with true crime. Everybody loves it. All every network is trying to get in that space, whether it's true crime documentaries, true crime show is, true crime podcast, true crime fiction shows with actors. It's just like everybody's trying to one up and they're all
trying to get this same audience. By the way, in two months, I'm headed to a crime convention in Orlando, Florida called Crime con That's how many people are interested on it. No, I mean, look at what is going on right now with this coburger case in Idaho. Why did he do it? How did he do it, what's behind it, what's going to happen next? There was such a fascination with it. And I understand
why at the time because nobody knew who did it. But even now just people are obsessed with understanding what is behind these kinds of really brutal crimes. But anyway, that's a separate topic. I never wanted this for you, Michael. I thought when your time would come, Senator Collon, Governor Collion, not enough time, Jesse. You're in the middle of it all. You know what the trials to be like. When they thought it, they
may send me down there. It might be that big you know where's down there this time, Well it would be an Idaho, So it's the other side of the country. Maybe I'll come and meet you there. We go, could do a discussion outside the courthouse like we did with Johnny Depp. Amber heard but a crime side. What's with the rat in the neighborhood? Do you know what the rat is? Actually? Yeah? So the rat,
the big inflatable rat. It's a symbol from unions that they are protesting the companies either they're hiring non union labor, or they're doing something that violates policy, or they're in the middle of a protest. It's basically the union's answer to company management very good, And that's true. That's what it is for those of you who don't know what we're talking about or have seen it and don't know where it is. But I was walking and I couldn't imagine
what was it doing in front of school, let alone the school. It is the government building. I've walked over to these two guys that were camped out with the RAT. I learned a few things. First of all,
they didn't really believe they should be that. Number two, when I asked them to explain what's going on, they weren't very good at it, And I wondered whether or not that's because we were in a residential neighborhood of people just didn't feel it was worth the effort that they were in to gain anywhere. They were showing their futility of it all. Apparently the school had started construction and they used non unionized labor, and the union got really upset of
it. But nonetheless it was going on and the rat was there. But this whole thing with the rat goes back to my pH days. My boss was a good guy. He was always on the right side of the right thing, always doing what he believed was right, and he got caught in the crosshairs to strategic policy human rights. Never is it a simple conversation, and they are always long lasting ramifications. And as I said, doing the right thing is never easy. I have a great example when I was involved
with trying to build businesses in Africa. I was involved with Bono and his wife. Oh by the way, they then est people in the world, and they really do want to save the earth. And what they did for Africa was extraordinary, the way they tried to help the people. They still do. But the whole subject of organic cotton came up the issue in Africa. We were trying to build industry in Africa, the idea of giving them work. Give a guy of fish, he eats for a day, but
if you teach a guy to fish, they'll eat for a lifetime. And we were trying to teach them how to cultivate products and cotton and build the paril factories in Africa so they would have long term futures. And the subject of organic cotton came up. Everybody wanted whatever we did in Africa to be
about organic cotton. And the issue is, if you are growing organic cotton, you put cotton in the ground, you water it, you use no pesticides, because in the reality, the ground water gets spoiled and if the people around this are breathing these chemicals or they're using the war water, they can get very sick from it. Now, the idea is to have wells nowhere near there and after it's sprayed, not to be in the area. I guess I'm not a conservationist. I don't know if enough about it.
Maybe we should ask center to Kennedy. But the reality is, if you grow organic cotton, you use no pesticides, and in Africa that means mosquitos, and mosquitoes carry malaria, and the malaria grows in Africa and it's a problem. And therefore this whole subject of organic cotton is caught up in unintended consequences, which brings me back to the RAT or the PVH RAT. We were a high profile company. Everything we did with God announced, you know,
you were a billion dollar plus company. We own brands like Calvin Klein and now Tommy hill Feger, and you know, we were really in the forefront of what was going on in NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement. The idea was to add jobs and say jobs in the manufacturing sector in this hemisphere rather than grow and build in China and the rest of the Asia. And it sounds right. I remember Trump hated the idea of making in
NAFTA in Mexico. If I recall, blame Bill Clinton. He talked about it during his campaign and he said we lost jobs to go in Central America. He wasn't wrong, but the same jobs were being lost in Asia,
but he was targeted. I remember the Wall Street Journal searched me out because they knew I was associated with Trump at the time in making his dress shirts, and they planned to come out with a big expose on Trump not being a man of his word because the Trump shirt line, which our company represented in manufactured we were making a NAFTA And there two things to remember about NAFTA.
It was an incentive of Bill Clinton's and the government. They wanted us to make it Central and South America because it would in fact save jobs there. But what they didn't call out was they had Trump looking like the bad guy, and they called me. And the interesting thing for me, because I had learned my lesson along the way when it comes to the press,
is that when you get quoted, it gets changed. And I had the agreement with the Wall Street Journal. I had the experience to say, I will talk to you, but you have to guarantee me that you will take the excerpts from this conversation that you tape and print him verbat him and I did. And I covered for Trump because he did nothing wrong. But that
was a long time ago. The point of it is, even with eliminating tariff barriers, duties, taxes as you would call them, between partners, between Mexico, between all of us, it wasn't enough to save imports from going to the rest of the world. Interesting enough, high ticket items like automobiles seem to work in union and non union factories. But I have to step into this and make sure I'm clear here that rat was targeted a PVH
in front of our building because we were making goods in Guatemala. Now why targeted? Because we were good guys and because anything they did would stand up it screamed about PVH would get reported because we were one of these big companies and they wanted to make sure that we were caught. Now, I am a union guy. My family were the union people. I came from a family. My father, my uncles were all union men. Their close friends
worked for government posts. There were union kinds of people. I grew appearing how the union was our friend. They just signed a new contract. We will get more money, We'll have another day off. Collective bargaining work for the common man. And the strength of the large groups of workers uniting gave us guy's power. And the threat of striking was always in the air. And it always felt like my father's companies and his union they would remember and
I remember now. I knew I was too young to talk about. I couldn't give them any advising. He even got to the point when my father was a young, relatively young man, the Union was eliminating jobs. He worked for the New York Daily News at this point, and he was one of those guys who put all the type together to do the printing. And that became taking all the little letters, putting him in a box and making sure it would print right. They'd run a test copy, he would review
it, make sure it was accurate for the spelling. He did all these things that it was being manual. They were giving it to computers machines to do the work, and they didn't need him anymore. But as a union guy, he was protected. He would have a job at the Daily News as long as he wanted it. They came in, they offered him a payment. He took the payment. It was like a relief and a gift. Maybe he was tired of working there, maybe he had it up,
but the union was overays a good thing. But when you look at targeting us from making in Guatemala or moving goods to Asia. This is fifty years later and T shirts are still ninety done, you can't be competitive. But back to the rat We started a factory in Guatemala to support what NAFTA. We hired workers who had no jobs. We took people that were sitting at home, had no income. We gave them jobs, We gave them fair
wages, we gave them bathrooms, we gave them lunches. But Human Rights Watch it wasn't enough because they believed we should supply schools, we should supply one day off, we should supply enough toilets and toilet paper and cash. And what happened was it got to the point that it made us non competitive. They turned at Guatemala factory into the same kind of factory had the United States with a human rights watch. They were right to worry about humans,
but the wage level became impossible. We had to close the factory. The rats shows up, the Human Rights Watch attacking my boss, who did only the right things at our annual shareholme meeting, and embarrassed the heck out of us. Instead of talking about the future of the company, all the questions were aimed at time and a half for overtime, raising the standard of living. It wasn't enough that they had jobs, so that rat did its job.
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And I want to take a little poetic license and entertain you and myself because I like this story I'm about to tell you. Let's call it the rat Pack. I love the concept of the rat Pack. The first time I ever saw it was The Ocean's Eleven back in the sixties and seventies.
I don't remember when the movie was made. It included Frank Sinatra, Joey Bishop, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, Junior, Petlorfan and a whole cast of characters about eleven guys who served in the army and then they all got out and they live in in Vegas and they decided to rob all the hotel casino. It's a great movie. That's one of those movies that over time you kind of like Jesse, You've got a favorite movie that talks about guys
hanging out together. Ocean's Eleven my favorite movie. That is a movie I can put on at any time and be happy and watch the whole thing. Anytime it's on television. I could watch it. I watch it literally on my phone all the time. It just makes me feel good. That's a cool movie about cool guys doing something fun in Las Vegas. What's better than that? Isn't it a great movie? Are you talking eleven only or twelve and thirteen? Two? Twelve is okay, it's grown on me. Thirteen's
good, I like it, but eleven is incredibly special. That's the one I liked them all. I also liked the one with the central bullock. I thought that was a pretty cool movie and not my favorite. They're redoing with Ryan Gosling and Margot Robbie. Oh that's great. But are they gonna call it Oceans eleven or they're moving on? It's Oceans eleven, but it takes place in the six I hate when people reboot, I really do. I hate it. I hate it. Hey, but that's not why I
want to talk about this. Of all the things I've talked about in the last few months, I got the most response from someone that I'll call Escalante. I did a show at three o'clock in the morning after Jesse's wedding, I talked about Escalante, my alter ego at the time. The reality is the dark side. I don't like humans. I think I've made that pretty clear. It's few and far between that I can find that I like, and generally speaking, I try to avoid humans whenever I can. I was
in a restaurant the other night. Eight people walked in, four or five of them. I know I was having dinner by myself. I must have bothered them that I'm sitting there alone. Do I look to crepit eating dinner by myself? By the way, you only look to Crepit in your mind. I think it's cool. James Bond always ate by himself when he traveled, and for a guy who he says, I don't care what people think. You care a lot what people think. There's a difference between caring what
they think and asking what I look like. Okay, there's a big difference. I'm asking you think it looks like I'm decrepit that I'm sitting there by myself. I'm having a grand old time. I love every minute of it. But it doesn't mean that people aren't saying, look at this guy. He knows nobody. So that's the distinction, and I don't care what they
think I actually said to him. I really appreciate it. But those of you at the table who don't know me, I have a radio show, and on the radio show, I constantly talk about being a recluse and don't like humans. So thank you for inviting me. I'm sure you're all great, but I'll sit here by myself. Could you imagine me saying that to people are trying to be nice? You, I imagine at one thousand percent
saying that. So anyway, back to Escalante. In the middle of the night, I explained the story that it got to a point in my life that wherever I was, wherever I was traveling on a plane, you know, someone sits down next you starts to talk to you. I don't want to be bothered. I don't want to talk to anybody. Golf is the one place when you're traveling alone. You can't seem to play golf by yourself.
You're any place that's decent, they want to fill up the times, and they'll pair you with other people if they have two and you have one, or they have three and you're just the same. And it was a period in time where they were pairing me. I didn't know that I was willing to spend the money. I could block out a foursome on my own,
which I would do now because I'd rather be alone. But they were pairing me with guys, and some German guys started talking to me about who I was and what I did, and I told him that I was a bullfighter named Escalante, and he got into the whole big thing, and you know, he started asking me questions and I got into it, and everybody in the audience seems to like it. So I want to tell you another
story. I'm working for PVH. We were a very charitable organization and David Cassidy, the famous singer and star of the Partridge Family White at the time, had a charity and she approached someone on our marketing group and asked us to contribute to her charity. I don't remember what it was. It might have been for children. We gladly did it, and we had a very
nice relationship with her and her husband. And the reason I mentioned the Rack Pack, David Cassidy and his wife became the producers of a show in Las Vegas at the Riviera Hotel called The rat Pack. And the Riviera Hotel was where the rat Pack spent a lot of their time when they were alive and performing in Las Vegas. And we've all seen pictures of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Junior, and Joey Bishop at the rack Pack became the
place to be. It was the hottest ticket in town in Vegas. There was nothing cooler and more popular than I guess in the sixties or seventies than the rat Pack. And they brought this show back and they had very talented entertainers who kind of resembled Frank but could sing like Frank, and who resembled Dean and could sing like Dean, resembled Sammy, could sing like Sammy. And I come median who looked like Joey Bishop. And it was funny.
Anyway, I asked through my people, can I get a ticket from my wife and I to go to the rat Pack at the Riviera Hotel And he said, of course, we get to the Riviera. I show my tickets and what do I have David Cassidy's private table, his wife's private table for my wife and I at the show. That's cool. That was very cool. Front row right there the perfect table. Before I even sat down, they head to champagne laid out. They had appetizers laid out, and I
said, you know, I didn't know your guests of the Cassidy's. This is how we treat you. Thank you so much for being involved. They really appreciate everything you do for them in the charity. I said, it's my pleasure. So the show begins with music. It's great. I mean, now I'm really connected. I'm feeling great. My wife and I were
looking the part. The entertainer performing as if he was Joey Bishop. The comedian comes out to warm up the audience, and he starts looking around and he starts doing his thing, and he's funny, and all of a sudden, he you know, he starts talking to the audience. He talks to this guy and that guy, and then he comes over to me and he said, hey, there, what's your name? I said, if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. Isn't that really what's your name?
My name is Mark, but I really go by the name Escalante. I figure, I'm in the audience there, nobody needs to know my business. Who I am? A president PVA. I want to go there. I don't want to by know him business. He said to me, Okay, Mark, what do you do for a living. You got a beautiful wife, you must be successful. I said, yes, she is beautiful, and thank you for that. But again, if I tell you what I
do, you're not gonna believe me. He says, no, I believe you tell me what you do. So I said, well, I was a professional highlight player. Now, for those of you who don't know what highlight is, it's a game of Spanish orientation from South America, Mexico, where it's kind of like throwing a baseball made out of stone or some hard material, kind of a bigger golf ball against the wall. It goes one
hundred miles an hour. You have to catch it and throw it back, and you run all over the court like a handball court, but it's enclosed. It's a very tough sport. You're diving, you're catching it, you're you're really it's dangerous at one level, but it's really really athletic. And I said, I played highlight. It was a professional highlight place and no, you weren't. I go to highlight. You know, you're a regular guy from where in New York, I said, originally, but I've been
living in Spain. And what's your name again? I said, Escalante? S did you play high? I don't believe he so, let me ask you a question. Is what did the arena be called in Spanish? The front on? Oh? Really? And what did you call that basket? You caught the ball with the sister and the ball pull up to He says, you know what, don't I'm starting to believe you. You played professional eyes So that's what you do, isn't No? I said, I used to do it. What do you do? I said, you still want
to continue this? He said, yeah, I'm interested. Now you got our interests. Why don't you want to hear more? And he order starts applauding you know? So I said, well, okay, you asked and I told you. You're not going to believe me. He said, oh yeah, what are you doing? I said, I'm a professional bullfighter by the name of Escalante. He says, no way, you're a bullfight. What kind of crap is this? This is what you're telling me. So Mommy is on one hand, laughing and trying to crawl under the table.
She's squeezing my arm she's kicking me under the table. You know what are you're doing? You know? I said, people eleven, it's it's okay. So he says again, I don't believe in a million years you were a professional bullfighter. So I said, okay, conversation move on, isn't none? Now let me ask you a question. What is the stadium where they fought the bull in Spain? I said, well, I've done it in Spain. I've done it in Mexico. But the best places the plaza
dy toros. And he looks at me, he said, and the costume. What's that called? I said, deluss. It's embroidered in silver or gold. It's type fitting. It's made to fit me, skin tight. How did you know all this? I'm prepared, Jesse, I'm prepared. You know me, Aren't I thorough? When I took on this identity? I got serious. So he says to me, all right, where the bulls come from? What do they call? I said, well, the best bulls known as toro, of course, a bull, a Liberian fighting
bulls. They're the best. No one comes close. He looks at me. This you know a technical question? What do you call those guys who stick the bull in the neck before you go in for the slaughter. They have two names, a picadora bendelerros. And now he's saying, I can't believe this. He said, your matador. I said yeah. He said, do you speak Spanish? I said no. He said, now I got you. How could you be a matador without speaking Spanish? And I said to him, I don't have to. The bulls don't either, say
he's laughing. Everybody's laughing at this point. He said, I have a question for you, and he said sure. I said, when are you going to be funny? And he started to laugh. The audience went crazy. And I did my debut in Las Vegas, says Escalante, and it was a great night. That's amazing. Imagine if he was like, Okay, we have a bull on stage. Now let's see how good you are. Well, he went on, it was a great show. I was glad I was there, and I haven't talked about Escalante in a while.
And I hope all of you out there enjoyed that story, and it brought it up because of the rat pack and tonight the show is about well, let's call the rat I kind him on the dark side, but I'm happy and having fun. So we'll take a break and we'll be back and we'll continue with this rat stuff always in fashion lifetime of my career building the van Usen Brand, and I am so pleased that they're back with us now talking about suits, men, we're dressing up again and it's become cool to wear
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Here's your host, Mark Webber. Funny way you get ideas. I often talk about the fact that this is original content and I have no idea when I finished the show what next week's show is going to be about. Lo and behold and walking down the street the other day on my four mile walk and I passed the school and there's a rat in front of it, that big rubber balloon rat that represents the unions unhappy with a particularular institution.
Found it really interesting that it was in front of a school. Turned out that the school was doing construction with non unionized workers. The unions were protesting and trying to call them out as rats, which I find to be very effective. I've had my experience with the rats. I thought it was very funny, but it's interesting how everything's funny when it's not happening to you. And it was turned around and I was responsible That rat made me nervous.
I felt like a creep and I didn't like it, particularly because I grew up in a family that was helped by the Union. Having said that, it got me thinking and this show became the show called a rat. What I really wanted to do is rat out to men. I can't believe what you guys look like. I can't believe how terrible you look and dress. Yeah, I'm ratting you out. Hey. By the way, Jesse, this week you were on the morning show on WR. You were filling in
for Len Berman. You were with Michael Reidal. Yep, I was guest hosting with him. Yeah, and somebody I know filled in one day. He was a guest. Right. You called him up. I called you up. You were on for a seven minute segment. We had you talk about all different things. It was great having you on. But I love the way that you started it. How you started it by bashing his outfit. You led me into it, Well, I said, you know, I walk in. He's wearing a T shirt and shorts and he was driving
his bike. He was sweaty when he came in, he was full of bugs, and you basically go, can we throw him in jail for wearing shorts? Yeah, he's to facing New York City. Well, you know he listened, people don't see him, and he's like, I just worked out. I just was biking here, and you gave him such a hard time. You know, what do you want from me? You guys were talking about it that morning. Yeah, but you know, I don't think he was expecting to be made fun of by you. Was hefended? No,
No, he took it all in stride. And by the way, it was great being on that show. Natalie, who's the producer of the show, she puts it all together. Michael was amazing to be with. And also I got to see our good pal Terry. Terry's our producer here on Always in Fashion. He puts our show together every week, Terry Trand Hey, Terry, Terry was awesome. I hadn't seen Terry since before the pandemic in person. Yeah, so it was nice to see everybody, and
it was a great week. How did I do filling in for Lenn Berman? You were great. I enjoyed the whole thing. It's very fast paced. The only thing I didn't enjoy was me six minute seven minutes segment. I mean, it takes six minutes for me to set up any story, and I had to tell five. I talked about Trump, I talked about men's clothes, I talked about meeting Bernard or No, it's got to be fast paced. You know people's attention. Seven minutes is actually a rather long
segment, believe it or not not for me doing an hour show. And you know, you got someone who knows how to talk. He's not in experience. But nonetheless, the point is, I decided now I want to rat out to men. I can't believe what I'm looking at. It all stems from packaging. Yourself is as important as the products you're packaged. This whole weekend, I played golf, I went to the club, I had dinners. We had a July fourth dinner. We were the hundreds of people.
Now I can tell you everyone there is all sizes, shapes, ages, colors, But the women in general try and look their best. That doesn't mean they're all beauties. They're not beauties. This is life. Not everyone could be six foot two and beautiful. Same thing for the men. But you could tell the women think it through and they cared. The men are horrendous. I spent the whole career. Look, I'm a corporate executive.
That's what I had. I was a CEO of two huge companies, one in the United States and one that's owned by a company in France, and largist luxury company in the world. And I had to run companies, had to manage people. I had to open stores. I had a thousands and thousands of people relying with me, develop strategies and make things work. But at the same time, when you're in the luxury fashioned retail business, you have to have a feeling for product that I always have and I always
will. And here we are this weekend. I go out on the golf course and there are only four people on the entire golf course wearing long pants. Your brother Jared, you, me, and the mister coffee guy. Great guy. You could see he cares about the way he looks. When we talked to him, you could see he puts thought into his outfits. There are other people who look great, but we were the only four. If I recall, everybody else is wearing shorts and they look disgusting. Okay,
first of all, I don't want to look at men's legs. I don't want to look at him. And the answer you get, of course, it's so hot out. I have a question to ask, do you think that makes sense? Wearing shorts, exposing your legs right directly to the sun, is cooler than wearing pants. Do you have a look at the people in the Mideast where they're in the desert outside side, in the hottest sun in the world, and they're completely covered in robes and turbans. Why
they figured out how to stay cool? This idea you wear shorts to be cool is nonsense, nonsense. Well, wait a second, No one ever said they're comfortable in those outfits, the burkas and those outfits. No one ever said that they're nice, cool and comfortable. I don't believe the men's outfits are called burker's. But for the purpose, of course, they're wearing it in the desert because it keeps them out of the heat of the sun.
Now, I am sure this was a court of law, Jesse, you would call an expert witness or a scientist explain to me how shorts are cooler. But there's no way in the world you're going to convince me of that because I wear pants and I know the difference. I know what my arms feel like in the sun versus my body. It's totally different. But I'll go one stuff further while we're on the science of ratting out men. You like being indoors when it's really hot out, Jess. I mean,
it's amazing. Air Conditioning isn't one of your favorite inventions of all time? One of my favorite inventions of all time. In fact, the reality is when you go indoors when it's hot out in the air condition it's freezing. I must tell you I've probably had more luck with women by bringing a jacket on a date with me or a sweater on a date from me, because whenever they got cold, I was able to hand from the sweater or the jacket. They loved me. I'm such a sweet guy and paid off a
million times over in a million different ways. It's freezing inside. How many times when you were dating Haley, did I give you a hard time? Her a hard time for coming out without a jacket or top always and whenever she would forget and I'd have to give her my jacket. You gave her like such a little mean luck. Yeah, because now you have to freeze and come because of her. Now I would tell you with mommy, I learned right on. She never wore a jacket, never brought a sweater.
She was freezing them inte we went anywhere, went to summ or whatever it was, I always had to give him my stuff. So I got smart. I wore a sweater and I brought a jacket. But the point is, men, your buffoons, your legs, the skinny legs, the fat legs, the tan legs, the white legs. I can only imagine what you look like when you get undressed with that tan line at your knees and at your waist. I want to throw up the whole idea of it. And you want to say it's hot out, you're freezing inside. What the
heck are the shorts for? They don't make sense outside and at night we're going to functions at night. There's a certain degree of refinement that's required when you go to a nice restaurant or you're in a country club amongst your peers. This is not refined. It's ridiculous. And the funny thing about it is I watch and look closely at the guys doing this, and they're trying. They wear a nice button down shirt, they might wear a nice sweater,
but then they wear these shorts and it looks ridiculous. It looks terrible. You don't look good in it. I'll give a credit maybe guys thirty five Ananda who really fit or tan or accessorize it. I used to like when they wore their hiking boots with the gray socks at the red trim them and you look like the muscles at the knee. Whether it's hiking shorts or cargo shoots, those guys can actually pull it off. But the bulk of
what I've seen ninety nine point nine percent is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense. And they're trying to look good. I've seen them. I go out to restaurants. I've been beautiful restaurants over the weekend. They walk in with their shorts and I want to throw up. But the worst of all is the sandals defeat. What signal? Can you tell me, Jessee? What signals someone sending. When I show up in shorts with sandals, I would be hard pressed to find anyone that thinks that that actually looks good. I
think they're all doing it because they want to feel comfortable. It's disgusting. You know, in certain religions, when someone passes away, you're forbidden to give your shoes to the family that you've worn. And the logic has been back in ancient times, everyone's feet were infected. They're walking without the comforts of we have today. So the methodology was you can't give your shoes to
to your survivors. You're walking around without socks. You're stepping on crap your feet a dirty socks protect your feet, they keep you warm, they do everything. This makes no sense, and you'll look disgusting. You all look like amateurs next to your wife. And with all due respect, I don't want to pick on old people, but the older you get, the worst you look without socks. It is ridiculous and I have to look at this. It's time to rat you mutants out. You're all rats. You know
what people say to me. So Michael Rito, when we went off there, he goes, well, what do you wear to the beach. I told him, I wear sneakers. He's like sneakers. I said to them, you think James Bond wears sandals, he goes, No, James Bond wears Espadrills. I was like, maybe that works Espatroll's work. Well. James bonded the first couple like a goldfinger, wore sandals. It was yeah, but he also wore a terry cloth jumpsuit. You know he wasn't refined
en of you. You wouldn't find a look. You tell me Pis Brosnen is wearing shorts and sandals. No, and neither is Daniel Craig. I'm not so sure about that. But okay, guys who are million dollars smiles and look the part and could get away with it. Maybe, but that's not who you are. I go to the beach, I wear white pants, I wear white sneakers, I wear white socks. But you know I'm going home. I'm full of sand. I might not wear the white socks, but my feet are tan. They look good without socks. But I
would never go to the beach and shorts. I won't even go to the beach and just the bathing suit because I don't feel you're completing the outfit. I have beautiful white cargo pants that I would wear to the beach. I'd wear a T shirt. I may wear a sweatshirt because they know it gets cold and it gets windy. But you don't walk around this way. I don't want to see you. And the ones that have the belts pulled in with the bellies tucked over the shorts, the ones that their bellies arrive five
minutes to the location before the rest of them do. It is so disgusting. I like the ones who leave their shirt hanging out, like we don't see your belly because of that. Am I being too unfair? No? I think this is a wake up call for a lot of people. But I also feel like people already know this, they just didn't want to hear it. Those guys, are you a single who want to have some sexy
time? You guys out there trying to meet new women? You guys out there who are married Jack Jones one of my favorite songs of all time. I never forgot it. Hey, little girl, comb your hair, fix your makeup. Soon he will walk through the door. Don't think because there's a ring on your finger, you needn't try any more. For wives should always be lovers too, run to the door when he comes home to you. I'm warning you, hey, girls, you know that. Guys,
what are you doing? What are you doing? There's not a place I go where the wives don't look better than the men. There's not a place I go where the women don't look better than the guys. Now, I'm not telling you all how to get dressed all the time. I'm not telling you went to wala Hawaiian shirts or black shirts or whatever. But really, let's take disgusting off the table. Now for a rat, so be it. This rat is trying to help you. We'll take a break back in
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Here's your host, Mark Webber. Tonight, the show's a Rat. I intended to come into you and be on the dark side and rebuilding nasty guy because it seems that I'm happier being nasty, not being nice and sweet. It seems that I enjoy myself when I'm on the dark side. But in the end, the whole subject of a rat, it turned out to be a fun night for me. I didn't expect that it started with a rat. You know that big gray rubber rat balloon that's representative the union's protesting in
places. That's one second had to do with being a rat because of being good guys in the world of manufacturing. And then, of course I talked about the rat pack in my alter ego Escalante. I think that was really funny unless, but not least seriously, I'm routing out the men. The way you're dressed. You look like crap. You look like buffoons, you look like amateurs. Neck to the women you're with. It's unbelievable. And
I know you think you look good. I know you're trying by the shirts you choose and some of the things you accessorize, the nice watches, you comb your hair, but you look terrible. And those of you who are wearing shorts and sandals, I have no idea what you're going for. Jesus was cool, You're not. It doesn't look good. Okay, now having said it, I had a great time tonight talking a rat and dealing with the rats that I hope you enjoyed tonight Show Talk Today next week