Hey, guys, this is Laura vand Award. I played Kara Kent slash Supergirl on Smallville and you are listening to Always Hold On to Smallville. Welcome to Always Hold Onto Smallville. This podcast we talked about each and every episode of the Young Superman show. They're rapping two thousand and one to two thleven on the WB and the CW unless we don't. It's another super Erman Special
number twenty one. Breaking news, my friends, because we were going to record this month's Always on the MCU yesterday due to real life circumstances for a lot of us. Actually we delayed it one day, and I'm glad we did because Superman and Lois not that Sirman Lewis Superman and Lois Saiman leg if you've coming out in ten years, yes, exactly right, let's go. But they officially cast Superman and Lewis Lane in the gun Verse? Is that
what we're calling it? That we're calling it, I mean, I mean, it's probably not the best idea to call anything the gun Verse in the state of affairs that we live in in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three, but you know, we're like, hey, you know what we're recording always on the MCU tonight, let's talk about let's do it. This is a quick Superman special for breaking How often do we do breaking news? Not always on the small Fore we're talking about a show that ran from two
thousand and two thousand eleven. As you all know, that's right on the w Yeah. I don't say slash every time. It's funny when I go back in the older ones, I'm like, welcome to Always hold on to Smallville. I am your hosts man. Yes, welcome to Always. Well, I should have kept this voice the whole time, But when I get excited, I start talking faster and higher, and I'm like, God,
the cast Superman. Yes. So the news we're talking about is Superman Legacy from writer, director, head of DC Studios, from the twist in mind of James Gunn himself as you Really Want to Taste Superman and Lois Lane for his new film Superman Legacy, and he has cast David corn Sweat as Clark Kent and Rachel Rosmahn, Yes, the fabulous, the marvelous Missus Maizel as
Lowe's Lane. And I look at these people, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty good casting, Like I look at David coursweat, I'm like, that's Henry Cavill, right, My my, My wife certainly thought so. Um no. She she came down of Thursday like, hey, Jeff, they finally cast the new Superman. Do you want to see him? And said yeah, And I held up a picture of my phone and she thought I was playing with her. She was like, is that him? I was like, yeah, this is him. She's like, that's just younger
Henry Cavill exactly. That's it. Either that or it is like his younger brother or something. Yeah, Like if if Henry Cavill had to be recast, this is the guy who casted with Right, If if if Henry Cavill played John of the Keynausperman Lewis, then they had to replace him in season three, you go and you cast David because that's the same dude. I've never found another person who looks more like another person, and this guy looks like in recall I'm serious and yes, he looks like kind of Tom Willing
two. And they all and be like, well they all look like Superman. Yeah, but there's everybody can see it. Everybody can see that it's kind of like Henry Cavell. And that's just because Hendry Cavell didn't look like Brendan Ralph. But they both look like Superman, you know what I mean. Tom Willing didn't look like Chris de Reeve, but they both look like Superman. Uh, you can go to tylerd Hecken looks nothing like either of
them, but he looks like Superman. So like, there's there's all these ways you could have gone, and he went with the guy that looks just like the guy who you fired. And I don't think that's the best look. I wish this guy all the best, right, but this is the worst possible guy you could have cast if you wanted to keep the Internet off your back. And here we go, strap in, my friends, because Superman Legacy comes out win twenty twenty five, right now, Yeah, Superman
Lives is gonna come out in nineteen ninety eight. So let's not get let's not get it out of hers. I mean, it came out like a month ago or like a few weeks ago that we're getting everyone's saying, we're not here to talk about that. I think this look, this guy looks like super Bad. I think that's good casting. I've never seen him in anything but good Autumn. And then uh, Rachel bros Had is in The Fabulous Miss Maisel, which I've seen marvelous forever. Lance. Have you seen
that show? Yes, it's a great show, and she's great in it um as as you could see from all the awards that she's won for it um. And then she's also great like I've I noticed her first when I was watching House of Cards back in the day. Um, and she was great in that as well. So that's where I saw her, Okay, because I was a big House of Cards fan. Yeah, so she was in that. So uh, she's been on my radar for for a while
now. Um, she seems like she's good for the part. Again, I think this, like, I agree with you, like cool casting. Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see kevit. Have you seen The Fabulous Miss Mael? I have marvelous missus Maizel. There's a literation in the title that's kind of where I'm at, like with Lances, kind of where I met with it. It's just like they looked the part. Okay, please just make a good movie, that's all I just I just want to
watch an entertaining movie. I don't need it to be super inside baseball nerdy. I don't need to be like, oh I know this thing from this particular. I'm not that guy. Just make a good movie. I just want to see a fun Superman movie, that's all. And if it needs to connect to a universe, sure, but please just make a good movie. I want to go see a good superhero movie because it's getting harder and harder for me to enjoy, Like every what are you talking about? You
like everything I did until he saw until I saw the last one. It broke me. Oh man, this is a nerd awakening. He's finally coved to our level after years, all this optimism. It's just it's just I don't know, man, it's just like it's cool, Like you know, I do you know? We got a saying down in Texas that is perfect. Shame on, shame on on on you and you, sir, I've never thought about that. Have missed that president, but I do. I missed that president because I have a meme to share with you keV later.
By the by the way, yes, yes it's a good one. Not republics oh Man. All right, Well, hey, congratulations to David corn Sweat Yeah, and Rachel's hand. I think we're all like, yeah, those are two great castings. I can totally see both of those actress as those characters, even though I haven't really seen much. I know a lot of the Internet has been like, oh, this person, this person. Like I've been talking about David corn Sweat for for years. Yeah, you
know, I've still never seen anything that dude's been in. Yeah, I know I haven't, and but I but I like, I actually really liked that though, because I have a chance to associate him with Superman forever. Yeah, you know, I'm saying, like he can be Superman. I don't. I don't look at him and say, well, this is someone's so playing Superman might not Superman now, So I'm excited about that. And same thing with Rachel brons him. Yeah, critically, he caname actress.
I mean that Mazel, Miss Mazel is like a period piece, so it's got that kind of like nineteen forties says look that you know Lois has I mean these because these characters are invented then, right, so they could lean into that. They could A lot of the pictures they use are from like Mazel when she's wearing like, you know, like stuff that you could He's like, okay, I can see, I can see. Yeah, lois looking like that. I mean it reminds me of Christian Bale when he was
cast a Batman. Everybody was a Christian Bell's Batman. It's obvious, and this is similar to that. Yeah. So then I think back to like Manna Steel and I'm like, they cast Henry cow I'm like, okay, well that was the perfect choice because people wanted Tom Willing, people wanted Brend and Ralph a third option, the guy they already cast a Superman who went back and forth because he had been cast years ago on and off in and Rend and Ralph or both one and two for years and like Superman fly By
Days and G and J. J Abrams all that stuff. So I was like, oh, good, finally he's getting his shot right. Good for him. And he looks just like Superman and he's a big fan. He's really knowledgable at everything. I like, when you talk to Henry Keelbusterman, he's not like, well I read Superman for all seasons. It's like, yeah, that's great, but it's like, but he's talking about like for Tomorrow, Like he has a deep knowledge of the of the character, and
I find that refreshing. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is, like, you know, not like back in the day, that was the that was the go to Superman book that everybody would say that they read like exactly, and but now nowadays it's like I've read Supermall Star Superman. It's like, guys, there's stories, there are other books. I don't know much bad Batman, but you know what I read Batman? You're on and the Dark Knight returns, and I think I think I know a lot about Batman.
Now, did you read Nightfall? Though I did read Nightfall when he came out. What about Nights? I think I started to fall off end They all, what are the incredible Batman trilogy? You could do? Right? You do Nightfall? Nights? Question the Knights end? Right? Yeah? Because of an issue five hundred wasn't not because I have to having the fold out issue had Azrael and had Batman, and it's like crippled Bruce Wayne has to come back and beat badass quote unquote badass new cybernetic suit Batman.
Because you know what, nineties hardcore isn't so cool after all and that was like the message of night anyway, damn it, can't you just make it? I don't give a shit about Batman Brave with the bowld Okay anyway, um cut all that outs, fine, now keep keep it, but that keep leave that in. Can't wait for that. Robin Cathy's Damian. I swear to God. I swear to God. If they make Damien the only Robert the only in first Robin, I will not go see this movie. I swear to God. I'll do it. Man, I'll do it.
You know they will have a night Wing and and let me don't you scared to all exists already? Right? How Superman twenty five years old, his fourth Robin Yeah, WS hates Dick Grayson keV who was his ten year old son. That that's another thing that you kind of missed out on and stuff. They for some reason to hide the exacts at DC and Warner Brothers do not like Dick Grayson. That sucks. The president, the publisher of DC back in like twenty to eleven, tried to get have him killed like several
times. Yeah, it's true. Oh, anyway, Amy Adams o Damy Adams as an actress, but as los Lane perfect, like she's great in the fighter. I always think of that Clifton no my poem by Amy Adams. She's a great actress. But like, oh, well, you don't look like Lois Lane at all. I know you'll dye your hair or something, right, Oh you're you won't. Oh okay, great, I just
I don't understand why you just didn't die your hair black. Because Rachel Rosina had looks exactly like los Lane, like Bitsie Tullick off the page looking. I'm like, thank you, Like, I don't know, call me a fanboy, a comboot guy, whatever, like I like it when these characters look like they did and the stuff they've been in for eighty years, because I want to see those things brought to life. I don't think that's too
much of her request, So anyway, let's know what they as. Then you look back Brandon Ralph, I'm like, oh, that Tom Willie's not gonna do the movie. Oh well, we'll get a few years of Smallville. And that guy looks a like Superman. Great Kate Osworth. What from
Into the Blue or Blue Crush or one or the other. I don't I get those movies confused, surely, she'll dye her hair, right, No, she's gonna wear a wig and have a huge forehead because she's wearing a wig and be a twenty two year old who has a six year old child. Doesn't make any sense. Rose Byrne should have been los Lane. Yeah,
and Superman returns. Yeah. So just I'm just thinking about like I'm like, Okay, so these two as a set, I'm like, that's the best set of two actors that they look exactly like the characters, Like you could you could use these promotional images of them as the characters and not have to change anything. So like that's great. I love that. I love that. When when we got the announcement by James gun making the new DCU and everything, I remember in our group chat, I was like,
hey, I'm actually I'm excited. I I'm excited for a fresh start. I can take my kids, and my kids are excited about it. By the time James Gunn announced the like what January was it? Last day January we had. I had just got through all the m few that I could take, which was Infinity War with my kids, from Iron Man to Infinity to Endgame, and uh, I was like cool, why I can do it with my other you can do it my kids. They're excited. They're
in the superheroes now, and like I'm genuinely excited. I liked to casting. They look great. I've seen a couple of clips of h Clark like doing other roles, and I can see where he can, you know, implement those same skills in that. But like I'm just like, just just be good, Like, just make a good movie. That's where I'm at now. I just want to see a good movie. Here's the thing though, with that, you were saying, like they just had like just make
a good movie. It doesn't need to be X Y or Z if it If it does X Y Z, that's great, but just let's make a good movie first. Well here's the problem with that, keV. They don't have the luxury of being able to do that for this. There is so much writing on this for them, right, for the studio, for the brand, that there's a lot of pressure on them to to get this right. And it can't be just right. It has to be amazing. It has to be It has to it has to like capture the hearts and minds
of everybody. It has to make a whole has to be a billion right now, are you talking about the Flash or you're talking about Legacy? Yeah, you know that. You know ass movie was supposed to do that as well. And and since that movie was asked, um, it's put this movie, this upcoming movie, this upcoming new before we get to this, what do you talk about reboot? Because because even though the Beetle is the first character in DC Studio, Superman Legacy is the first film again, they're
half asked of attempt reboot. For all this stuff has put Superman Legacy in this position where it has to be everything all at once and has to be extraordinary like for for and all of these things that hit all these metrics and hit all these bars to to save the brand, right, And unfortunately it does not have the luxury of just being you know what, let's just make the best movie we can. It can't, it cannot. This movie can't
survive being outstanding, like not being not outstanding. It has to be And if it's just man, if it's just you know, like that was pretty good, I might go see it. I might might get it on on Blu ray. It can't be that. It has to be like the best thing that we've ever seen man, y'all feel again once again with the stuff
right, so ked it. His eyes were open. If if you hear certain people saying the Superman Legacy is one of the greatest comic movies of all time, their favorite film of the year, and probably maybe the best film they've ever seen. If you hear all that leading up to stumm a Legacy, are you're gonna believe that? No, especially James, the head of the studio, just had to set because I learned that nothing I care.
I learned that James Gunn is a businessman, that's all. Like, he had to say those craps to get people to go see that movie, and it didn't work. I would I would disagree, though. I think that was a major miscalculation on his part. If you think about think about that, all these movies were made before he came onto the head of DC Studios, right, Yeah, So all you had to do was say, hey, we're looking forward to Disham two, looking forward to The Flash, looking
forward to Blue Beetle, looking forward to Documan too. We hope you guys enjoy that film. All those films, and then of this year, we're turning to the page start a new chapter. I hope you guys enjoy it. That's all you had to say, all you had to say, But instead, instead for months you come out here and you say, this is the greatest you will you will forgive Ezra Miller of all their sins after you see the flash. That is what I was told. People looked me in
the eye and said, you forget the fact we were. We were a hoodwinked, bamboozled. Let us astray hoodwink hoodwinked. So that's unfortunately, that's correct. A lot of y'all fell for that oky dough. It's been like in the biggest Okay dough that they threw it, as was Michael Keaton. Because there's so many of y'all out there, it's like, oh, man Keaton, Allie and Keaton. It's like it's just it's just like the Wizard of Oz, y'all, did y'all not learn anything from that? Pay no
attention to the man behind the curtain. That's exactly what Keaton was for this movie, and y'all fell, hook line and sinker for it. This is where we are. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, regardless of what I thought, the quality of the film was going to be for the Flash. Did I think he was going to do as poorly as it's doing. No, I am shocked. I am shocked, and I am proud of movie. Go any audience of this world first seeing through the nonsense. You know, I can't.
I can't believe, like you people out there must be way more too than I thought, because I thought somebody would see this. I'm like, yeah, Michael Kayden has been affleck because you know I thought, you know, that's what I'm thinking. I just I can't. But it's it's breaking records for how poorly it's doing because it doesn't matter. Like at this point in watching, James gunn bad business man for saying it doesn't matter if I came out Kip, Yeah, not a good businessman, not a good marketing
strategist. Yeah, like it just it just doesn't factor into anything. We're not going to see a sequel, so I don't care about the characters. Like it's just I mean, even if we weren't going to see a sequel, like we wouldn't we didn't care about the characters. Yeah, I'm just mad that they tried to use that story. So now if we get another Flash movie with a actual person who should be the flash they already have. Like if you're like, oh, well they're trying to take like they just
should have canceled that movie. You can't do that though, Like I don't know, but but you know, as far as Superman, like, I am excited because I this is the most sweaty I've been about comic book characters with Superman movie coming out, like still came out. I was just like, what terminology is that sweaty? Sorry video game terminology. I'm into it. I'm into it man, it still came out. I was like, Okay, cool, I'll go check it. You know, I'll go.
I'll go watch it because I knew Henry cavill as the Count of Monte Cristo UM because I love that movie and he was, uh, you know, the young Mondego and that I thought might as well have been. I'm genuinely excited to see what I hope is going to be a fun, hopeful everything they've been saying, this is movie's Superman supposed to be. I really want to see that um in a movie in a modern eraror so. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I am not putting my emotions into all these things like I
have been. I'm too old for it now. My heart can't take it. I would love to go see a Superman movie and have it be like critically acclaimed. Everybody love it, right, it'd be fantastic, right, like oh we're back right Superman. Right, but just just what they needed to take a break, you know, like like shut it down, let's go along, all right, as Lances said in many a group chat for
the last few years now. But really, though, how do you just roll into this after the nonsense it's been coming out this year and it's just gonna get worse y'all. I was trying to think about, like, you know, I was like, man, come on and take because like you generally, you are really ultimately things, you like everything, And you know what's been a factor in my descent into madness. And it's not the movie's
fault. It's my fault. I gotta get off Twitter. Twitter is Twitter is ruining superhero movies for me, because if you don't like it, you're an idiot. If you love it, you're an idiot. It's just I just I just can't, like I can't do this of course anymore so like maybe I'll just not try to listen to anyone's thoughts about any movie and to just go watch it. Well, kay, I think if you just go by Rode Tomatoes, you should be a kay. That's what I've learned.
Lance you you hate Batman U Superman? Right, that's correct. Okay, it has twenty seven percent Rod Tomatoes. That's not this crecent, not twenty seven percent. I wouldn't give it in twenty seven percent, No exactly. Now maybe maybe thirty nine okay seven. With all these things, I always trust my gut in my own eyes with these things, and I'll trust my own brain and and granted, like yeah, you are all right. Like some of the stuff that you see on Twitter is uh is ridiculous. But
to quote yourself, right, Twitter is not a real place. And so I can I can swim through that, and I can wade through that, and I and and it's not a real place, but it takes up so much for my real time. I don't know like I can exist in it because like why have you guys, and like other like side chats going on. I'm waiting for us to migrate to like WhatsApp or something like I'm like can we just get off of this because there for you guys, I created
a Twitter for this podcast. Back, okay, set me free, man, hey man, let's not go there. Oh we're off a raiser. But yeah, he's handsome and he's six foot four. Let's go Superman is bigger than me. Now, I'm ready to watch David corn sweat. He's six foot four. Rachel Brosnahan five foot three. I love it. That is quite a high difference. That's like you and Jess, Kevin. That
is exactly me and Jess. I cannot wait to see that because, like, that's one of the things one of the reasons I really liked Henry Cavill Superman because he was like, like he was just a massive human, Like he's just a big guy. And I don't think this Superman needs to be as jacked as Harry Cavill. I don't think anybody's be that jack. That's just scary. By the way, Davin corns At six four, Chris Reeve six four, cool tall, has men into play Superman. Rachel Brosenhand five
three, Margaret Kidder five seven. Uh, that gives you just a little bit more context for what their high difference is gonna be. It's that it's that Superman for all seasons. High difference. But Cod Brooks is taller than Tyler. Yes, and so is Michael Cutlis. Yeah, I'm like, come on, Jesseph really coming around on Tyler Ecklan. I love him a super red but like, like, you guys know how much crap I gave him for brend and Ralph being like for just taller than yes, and they're
doing it. They're putting him in positions to fail. You know, they need to shoot him like Tom Hardy is. I'm taller than Tom Hardy, right, I am my mom, Kevi, you talk about you and Jess's high difference. I'm jealous because Sarah and I are basically the same heights because I iced to use his equals. Oh look at that saved right there. I am interested to see um. Like I hope we just get a crap town of clark Kent. I just I just want a lot of Clark Ken.
I mean, as as I've said many times and several times, I if it's good, that would be wonderful. Right, I'm not rooting for it to fail, but if I can, if I can tell that it's not going to do well because of four decision making. Uh, and I call it out. It's not my fault. Do you think this is going to do well or not? Less? What do you think? I don't know. I can't. It's it's too it's way too early to tell, way too early to tell. But but the thing is, they have a
steep hill to climb with with this. As as as as I've already you know, laid out earlier, this has to do so many different things because of you know, how damaged the brand is because of past past failures and passed bad decision making and passed uh you know, poorly the execution, poorly executed planning, right, Like, you know, they have to this. This movie has to do so much heavy lifting for so many different things, and the pressure of all of that might kill this. I mean, I'm
just I'm just being real. Mhm. No, you're right. There really is no way to know. Um, Like they're they're they're in an O two count right, like this is what this is? This that's true?
Now, when they when they rebooted with Mannis Steele, that was like, well, Chris Nolan ended that Batman story, so I really can't continue that and all that was there was like Green Lantern and there were Superman returns, and people wanted to go in a different direction at the time, and they would Superman returns, they would have been a sequel of Brian Singer had just like stayed on task, which, as we learned in t Yes Disgrace Silo
director Brian Singer, Actually that's correct. Um Valkra is pretty good movie though. Actually, but no, I mean they were they were ready to go. I mean it was green lit, right, I mean, there's gonna be Sumer returns too. They just didn't get around to it, and so like it just kind of petered out. And then then they didn't, you know, Man of Steel. So Man of Stel didn't have a lot to overcome. I mean think about that, right, Super returns, oh six,
Man of Steel twenty thirteen. Yeah, it had it had time. You had two critically acclaimed Batman movies in between those two, and then you had Green Letder. It's like ever, oh crap, you had Jonahaxa forgot the worst coming movie all the time, but no one even knew that existed other than people like us Lance. That's true. So anyway, this is like having to overcome so much in such a quick amount of time. But
but and here's the key. Here's the key. Here's the key. The same creative people who were involved in the stuff now, right, they didn't take Brian Singer and hey, you're directing Man of Steel and by the way, you're in charge of all the DC movies moving forward. For example, right with James Gunn, it's like, hey, I know you're doing a lot of stuff here already. Why don't you just keep doing that stuff? And you know, and then I think that's that's It's like the Batman.
It's a completely separate thing with Matt Reeves. That's why you can be like, oh well I really like the Batman, then keep all right, and that's that's a separate thing. But this is like there's so much carryover and it's so vague reboot, and I think that's that's been hurting it, yeah, because because people this is more of the same, right, Yeah,
it's like hurting it. Technically, it's not like if you have to sit down and explain that, Like if you have to sit down and explain why putting a baby in a microwave is a bad idea, you've already been a bad decision. Okay, you didn't show the same thing. Do you guys think that now that like I mean, obviously we still got what blue beetle and aquamanto and in else that's it. That's it. So do you think
now that like those those all be done by this year? Do you think now James Gunn may shift his tone a little bit to being like these things are great and I and he's like, well not now, this is like okay, because it seems like he's just playing ball because they're Warner Brothers and he worked for them, and he kind of has to be like, oh, you know, but you don't you don't have to say it's the greatest movie ever seeing you know what I mean? Oh no, no, no,
no, no, I do what you're saying. But you really overplayed your head. Yeah yeah, because now like he's he's lost like a lot of a whole lot of credibility. Yeah. Well apparently, which again hurts him in the long run because he's the guy that's in charge of this new Superman project. Right, And so if the same guy that was saying that the greatest movie of all time was a superhero movie of all time was the
flash and we all know that it isn't um. Then it's like, well, how are people going to take his word when he's talking about how great Superman legacy is. Man, Well, I can't wait for him to hire Michael Rosenbaum and get all those fans back too. You know he's he's gonna do. That's a great that's a great Sigreif I do want to talk about, like Luthor casting that, there's been lots of rumors both Scars Guard brothers are apparently up for it. Tarzan and it the cloud It's not the name
of the clown Jaws, is not the name of the shark? Is it the name of the cloudy Penny? Why isn't it? Yes? Yeah, oh no. When you when you said, uh, the other Scars, I thought of, uh, that's the same one from the Worman right, that Viking movie that came out a couple of years ago where he looked like a mountain of a man. Yeah, the Northman's really good, by the way, Yeah, it's amazing. One of the Scars Guards is the Northman. I don't know what he is. I just know it from God Zilo
versus Can and of course Tarzan. Yeah, isn't. So those two are all I ever see is the Nicholas Holt. Yeah, okay, that's what Nicholas Holt, who the poor guy. He tried it out for for the Batman didn't get it. He tried out for Top Gun Maverick didn't get it.
He tried out for Superman apparently didn't get it. Um, Honestly, that's fine because like, oh yeah, yeah in several films, and you're like Ben Affleck was dear Nope, I'm like, first of all, that's that's close to Ben affleck solo Batman movie we're ever gonna get and I've always liked it, So that's fine, right, Justice, Hey, Michael Clarke, Duncan was a Badasslex Luthor, let me tell you r to live somebody
Eldwhiz does. But you know it would be a great legs Uthor. Michael Faspinder, you know, I'm I look at the cast of X Men. I'm like, that's the one you're gonna pick to play likes Luthor. Right, I'm fine with him not getting it, But I don't know. So the Scars, Guards and Nicholas Holt are all rumored right now. Okay, So despite Michael Rosa Vot's best efforts to get his friend Jade's Gunn to cast him as Lex Luthor. I don't think it's gonna happen. He needs the
money. I mean, as we can tell from you know, talking about Damn. Now, I will say no funny we were kind of joking about earlier, but this is the night of the season finale of Thank God. Not the series finale in a good way, yea, but the season finale of Superman Lewis. And uh, Michael cutlets the current les Uther on that show head of tweet and he said, Joseph the record on the next looks Luthor, y'all are talking about the next next Looks Luthor. Enjoy Superman Lewis
season finale starts soon. Hashteck sorry not sorry, which which which I really appreciate because you know, as I mentioned in our like when we were talking earlier, when this news broke, it's like, that's great, but like, couldn't they have waited another day to do this? This is this is the third time that the movie to Division has tried to steal the shine of the DC heroes on TV, which is another bad move by their by their
by their team. Uh, and it's other poor management and also just disrespectful, right, Like why does this continue to happen? The Sea the season finale, which you know, a couple of weeks ago could have been the series finale of this TV show would have been would have been upstaged by the fact that the like you know that you know, James Gunn and his new
movie Universe had casted their people. This The same thing happened on the debut of The Flash um and then the same thing almost happened with like the Flashes series finale when that ass movie Oh he's starring the same character came out around the same time. It's like, what are you guys doing? They don't know you like just like again like generally the left hand is not know what
the right hand is doing. Yeah, well, well the thing is like Steve Stephen Mill's right look all right, Like there their continued disrespect of of of anything that is not on the big screen is so apparent, and it's like look y'all, like like all of y'all are doing the same stuff, right, but like there's this there's this increase of of you know, want to be prestige that is given towards the movies. And I get that movies
get they get bigger budgets, they make more money. I understand all that, but like, you can't treat everybody else like crap, like they don't matter, right, which is my one of my biggest problems with the Hollywood machine in general, right, because it's actively discriminatory against so many different things
and only wants to perpet only wants to to pump up certain things. We got to stop with this, you know, thinking that one thing is so super great and then ignoring the fact that when other people do similar things that is automatically not We can't be actively discriminatory against things. I hate that stuff absolutely. By the way, what do you think of Michael Colits just like suthor Lance? Sorry no I did, I've seen up to the scene where
he's at their porch yelling at Lois. That was a good seed. Yeah, yeah, completely shifted gears. It's like, damn, that reminds that. That reminded me of the Popeyes guys act six face red fe So words could fetch this here. We told that story of podcast somewhere, look it up. My favorite favorite memories with Lands is sitting in a Popeyes once and then the other time the other time. Actually, I guarantee we told that story because I knew we told that story in the Wizard Rold episode we were
driving back from Austin when we almost died in the Popeye Chicken Sandwich. Hype was real, y'all. Think the hpe of the Flashers roll. I'll tell you what. Some hype. The hype for the Popeye Chicken Sandwich that was legit. They shut that Popeyes down early. No, something that I'm realizing about, yah know, something that I'm realizing about. Like like, so,
like you know, you asked hey things about Lex Luthor. We're talking about this earlier with the Flash. Um, so you know everyone knows I'm just now getting into comics, like you know, and I'm only just reading comics basically off what shows I'm a part of. So like when people are like, oh, what do you about this Lex Luthor? I don't know if I know how Lex Luthor is supposed to be. Every time I've seen Lex Luthor, Ye're like, that's not how he asks the Flash, that's
how he really is Superman. That's not how it really is. Okay, Batman doesn't kill so like, I don't know, how are you supposed to be the answers the DCN mid universe An yeah, I mean yeah, so like like like I have all seen them all in the cartoons, but every live action in iteration, I've seen these characters. For some reason, they're like, we gotta make it our own, and that's not really liked by a lot of people. So the closest live action when we got is Rosenbaum.
Yeah. Well, and and like that's the Lex Luthor. I like not because it's Michael Roseamama Smallville. I just enjoy that kind of character if any of those guys because like you know, it's like, oh, you're like a Scars guard or like Nicholas holds up for it. But those are great actors. They should do great, but if they're not directed due, well, then they're gonna suck. Jesse Eisenberg isn't a bad actor, but
they made him act silly. That's why I don't like them. So like if you know, you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, he's not as bad as he performed in that movie. You know what I'm saying, He's kind of huh, he's kind of a one hit Wonder as far as oh sorry, not one hit wonder. He's kind of like a one pitch picture. He's like he's Michael Sarah. Yeah, remember he was like, oh yeah, the Nichael Michael Sarah knockoff right now, he's you
know, yeah. I just I just I just want to see good, definitive versions of these characters that I could just kind of get behind and not not feel weird when I watch them. Like is like someone was telling me, like a like somebody when I went and saw the Flash that early screening someone was leaving and he was like, the Flash isn't even like that,
that is correct? And I was like, oh, you know, I was was walking out and do it after when they thought about it, and I was like, oh, you know, you know, and he's like, the Flash isn't even like that. Like the Flash is like a smart, like strong, like like you know, like guy, he's not some doofist running around all the time. Like oh well, I've only ever seen the Flash be insecure and unsure of himself because that's the only flash of Vertine.
I thought of the cartoons, well you need to watch the nineteen ninety Flash KIF. Yeah, yeah, they should have to and in the head maybe they I cannot believe. I cannot believe the c w let Ezra Miller be in their flash but not let any of the c w K. This is what I just talking about, just talking about about this stuff, because it's all it all goes down to just I got his right back off.
I'm sorry, um, but let's let's supercasting, right, you know, super low loser Michael Cutletz uh Like I said, I always on seros kind of his son's and anarchy thing twenty Like, I lance, like, what' you think before U that we came out with that episode, and he's like, it's like a Selens of anarchy Lex. That's exactly what I said. I always expect him to get on a motorcycle and drive off after me. Yeah, Ron Perlman is a Lex luthor. That is what which is you
know, it's a different take. We'll see. The thing is we've seen him in two episodes so far, and it's like a guy who's been in prison for over fifteen years, and we'll see like he's talking about season four, right, he's a series regular in season four yea. So if they go back to Metropolis and he's like the Lex Luthor. If he shaves his goatee because they're they're a shave to have a clean shaven, bald headed Lex Luthor apparently, then we'll see. But there's there's a lot more to come
from this character, and we'll see. I mean, he's not the top of my list, he's on my bottom of my list. He's fine service, Will is getting the job done. I agree with that. There's so many ways they could take Lex Luthor right. And then in the Superman legacy, like I hope they just again look at the DCAU as the blueprint.
I want to see a guy who's in charge of LexCorp And loves Metropolis and Superman shows up and then he can't handle the uh, the attention being shifted away from him, like you know, John Shay and Lewis and Clark. That was his deal. That was a great leg south. He had hair, right, he lost his hair later got it back, you know. But that's let's go with that approach, because that's an approach that we never
really you know, get to see. So but yeah, that's uh, that's your Superman Special update on the on the casting and other other stray thoughts. Who about the DC. You m ricocheting all around the man, going everywhere, can't No one is safe. Nope, it's now that O eight right now over here for me? You know what the thing is? Man like, I'm expected to love this and people are gonna get mad at me if I don't. And that's right, that's unfortunate, right, it's what
do you mean you're excited about super legacy again? It's not your fault. We know whose fault it is, Zack Snyder sault right like, no, see see other than that, you thought I was gonna go there, but no, it's not his fault. Not taught, not entirely. God, I want to be wrong. I want to kick ass. Well, the thing is, Kevin, we do too. But the thing is I have somebody callouses from from from putting up with all the badness. That's comfortable.
There's an old saying, yeah, exactly, there we are. So this is this is the life of a DC fat joel m Are we going to see it? Of course? Yep, no, they already. I have had our minds changed before. You know. We're all like so anti the Batman. The Batman's fantastic. Yeah, oh man, And I was happy because I was giddy from day one. I was enjoyed it. I want us all to enjoy something together, right, yes, yeah, and who knows, maybe by the time legacy rolls around, I can go. I
could be in the theater with you guys. That's true. We'll see you can be at our immediate midnight recording that we do with these things. Yeah, I was unofficially, that's true. He didn't call Kevin on the way over from the flash, and of course he liked it more than us. But it's okay. He's he's learning. Yeah, I'll think, Oh, man, where I do with my kids? Know? The worst thing you do is take your kids a week before they gave him By Won't Get One
Free ticket? Yeah, in a week two he could have saved a hundred dollars man. Yeah, no, it's expensive, a bunch of what what an insane promotion in week two of your movie By Will Get One Free Anyway, tried to tell y'all, I thought I was gonna be here because we're gonna do some man special. You guys are gonna be there. So I'll just say this here, all this talk over the years of Lance and I, oh, our friendship's gonna end watching the Flash. I thought, I
really though I thought I was gonna go down this way. I was like, man, I mean I don't love it, but it's okay, and Lance hates it. We're gonna talk about it on Mike. I'm gonna have like defend it. And I'd be like, well, you know, I know you're upset about this, Boe about this not a problem. Let's say the work. It's incredible. How bad that was? No? Well, I mean I was like, yeah, so I'm met with you to flash, and I remember thinking like I I was put in the group chat,
I am the problem. I'm gonna love it. I'm gonna love it. And I went and saw it and then all it took was me, like I started talking when you guys called me, I started talking out the story, and within like a few minutes, I was like, oh no, this is dumb. Well, you try to write stories and you try to think logical like A to B and you where I'll never finish the story because I'm too bisy worried about stupidity stuff. But yeah, no, it just it bothered me so much. But yeah, hey, uh that that's that's
one least thing we gotta worry about. I got to sit here and try to make you think the flash is good. One thing we get all that's that's all so fared off about it because it's like, oh, finally the same thing, and imagine that y'all sometimes we disagree and we can all still be friends. Isn't that wild? Apparently crazy enough time on Twitter, Becausider
told me that's so there you go. There's your impromptu Superman special about the casting announces for Superman Legacy and all kinds of straight shots friendly fire about DC on film along the way. Those aren't straight shots. Those are raimed For me, at least one shot won't kill lurra. Well, we'll be back when they cast Lex live there, Jimmy Olson, Ferry White and the authority. I mean, yeah, I guess we should. This will be a thing. What well, you know what. We're gonna ride the train,
y'all. All right, We're gonna ride the Superman Legacy train all the way to twenty twenty five. This is this is exciting. This is the fun part. Though this reminds me of of crisis times, getting excited about hearing news casting and like trying to figure out how they could method all up if the best part about this? All right? Well, do you want to hear you guys always on the Arrow? Yeah? I want to hear me Always on a small Bill. Go to our Patreon we need you if you
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