Episode 169 - 8x17 Hex

Hi. My name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Ken on Smallville and you are listening to Always Hold On to Smallville. Welcome to Always on the Smallville. In this podcast, we talked about each and every episode of the Young supermand show they around two thousand and one to two thousand and eleven on the WB and the c W. I'm my host zackmarm drum by two guests for this podcast from Always Along to DC's Legends of Tomorrow. Matt Ricks, you said it like it's the first time you've said it, but I had

to too be a beat to remember the former host of Wilson Clark. The new podcast is super huh. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot, so many accolades on the podcast, and we have joining us for the second time. Ray, what's up? Ray? Hey guys, I don't have nearly as many podcast accolades. Good for you always put on a small Bill guest. That's my only post, that's right. Put that on the resume. I am available as a reference should you this podcast twice ye. So

you are also a famous Satana cost player. I mean there's there's certainly more well known Satanna caust players, but yeah, that is what if and when um, I'm sparingly like recognize that conventions, it's usually what I'm wearing z Yeah, but that would resume for real though. Yeah no no, but you know really you've been the MC and A convention recently as well as well

as many Yeah, I got to interview nineties Flash John Wesley Ship. Um. I was dressed as Zatanna because I wanted to lean into the DC theme. But yeah, that was a lot of fun. When I can, I ask. I'm a big cosplay fan and only only down but um, when you do Satana A do you have like one Well let's start with this. Do you have like one main look for Zatana or do you have like

a few kind of like flavors. I only currently have one. I'm looking to add flavors and we we'll can kind of get into this a little bit later too. But I originally started caused playing her not because I was a

comic book fan, but because of her appearance in small Ville. I thought she's Yeah, I thought she's such a fine character, and I was like, I want to know more about her, and then my original as a Tanna cosplay was based off of her Small Villa appearance, and then I started going back in the comics and seeing all the different iterations of her cosplay m sor I've ever costume, and so my cosplay then has kind of taken shape based on the comic books, but it's still kind of a mix of the

comic books and her small vill appearance. I would love to do some of the other costumes that she's act. She's had some really cool ones, especially let me actually wear pants, that would be Okay, this was my next question. I'm like, is there one that you're like one day like that's my efforts, that's the one I really want to do from a specific comic

or artists or whatever. Yeah, there's there's genuinely a couple, because she's had a couple of really cool Honestly, one of the more like the one one of the ones that I it's gonna be a longer term goal because it'll be hard to get. But there's a really great and I think it was from one of the cartoons when Zatanna there was like a doctor Fate situation and he as Doctor Fate, Like the helmet is really cool. I wouldn't do a makeup, which would be awesome. No makeup and wearing pants at a

convention would be nice. So rad um. I did Doctor Fate just for just for Halloween this year, and I was fun. I was gonna do it for Comic Con. Didn't go to Comic Cup blah blah blah. So I did it, but I got this met. Let me just advise you do a plastic helmet. I had a big metal one. It was you went metal, you psychopath? Where else am I going to find a metal It was on eBay? What did you get the right How did you get the right size? Oh it's it's a one sizer forever, but but definitely

definitely go go lighter and that type of thing. Yeah, I was thinking about um three D printed, but yeah, right on cool. Matt is also costplayed as a small green row. Yes, that's right at San Diego a couple of years ago. I could tell only see that that'd be cool. The scrawniest green arrow you've ever seen. I just love that costume. That's awesome. I did. I mean, I'm know, I'm not definitely sure how tall she is, and it might just be because most of the

noise is so short and so petite. But I just did a I guess a A short. Lena Luther was my most reset saw those those are good. That was a fun photo. Yeah, we we leaned into what we all wished was Cannon. That was super poor cool. My friends and I we were so gay about it. It was amazing. But yeah, so you Ray found was a time out through Smallville. That was your You're like, oh, this is a cool character. I'm gonna take this and dress up as her and whatnot. Yeah, I was filled with her through the

DC Animated universe. She was on episode of Batman nymated series and then a little bit obviously in Justice League. Matt, I assume that's where you were introduced to her as well, Matt, correct, because we're the same person. Yes. And then if you guys ever read any of M. Paul Deini's Detective comics run where he did like kind of standalone just like great little standalone Batman comics, but she was featured in a couple of those, and

those are really great. He also wrote several of her really good runs. Yeah, and the Satana Canary, I don't remember what that's called. I honestly think it was just Zatanna and the Black Canary. Yeah, I had like a black magic subtitle or something, but really really cute book that's on my two YO lists. I haven't gotten that one yet. Time good. But this is what small was doing and over the course of its run, like introducing characters for the first time in live action. That was very exciting.

Right the season, Tona and I am I'm actually shocked this episode is not called Satana like you have episodes like Perry Zad right, Booster. It's like, why is this bizarro? Why is it's not called yeah so hex right, it's a magical spell? Right? It does not appear in the episode, right, I think Lois and Or as Chloe says, hext at some point, but we're not counting that. Okay, No, we're not. Okay, these are the rules. I'm just saying this is the way.

So in the deleted scenes, though Chloe does say it at the end, and I want to talk about the deleted scenes. Did y'all get a chance to watch the deleted scenes? I did, Great. This is something I'm doing now as we wrap up the show in the last two and a half seasons, I thought, you know what, maybe I should send these two people to watch before we record the podcast because how many times I've been like, well you don't when the bbud there's a deleted scene, and my

poor guests are like, wow, I didn't I didn't know that. So I'm like, okay, well I'll just talk about it by myself and get no feedback because I'm the only one who seed it. Anyway, we've all seen them, and since there's so many, let's just talk about them now before we come into the episode, and then we can say, hey, this is what that was, because that's always fun. When there's six minutes

of deleted scenes. Now, that might not sound like a lot, yeah, but as someone who watches the deleted scenes when they exist before every episode of novel, let me tell you they're usually maybe one or two usually two minutes or less. All Right, you remember this is like a forty two minute TV show, so six minutes is a big chunk, and I don't know where it went wrong. We get the table read or the timing off

the strip, but I can't believe they shot all this extra stuff. So like a show like this isn't doing a table read though, so like this this must be a page count situation, you know, um, and a few of these are tiny. But then there's there's like, I think two like real meaty scenes in this there are two scenes that needed to begin this episode. But let's just so there's four. Uh. First leaded scene, very cute idea. Uh, it's Chloe who is now in Lois's body or

not. It's not a freaky Friday situation. It's it's Chloe has become Lois, but also Lois exists as well. She just happens to be out of town. So uh, Chloe pulls out this polaroid camera. It takes a picture of herself to see if it's and I thought this was clever to kind of see if it's like a quantum leap situation. It's like, okay, am I do I see myself in the mirror? Am I me? Is the other people? What do other people see as me? Oh? I'm this? And I think that was the reasoning for that. Okay, that's

cute. That makes more sense than what I thought. I thought. I'm like, girl, you used let herself in the mirror and I have both not seen quantum leap. Oh No, it's a good chow. I always gonna be one to break his heart and tell him anyway. Uh, you know, smartphones didn't exist in two thousand nine, so she couldn't just you know, take a picture of herself on that I guess right, nobody anyway, No, not in Kansas, No, No, not in Smallville No.

So second scene, and these presumably would happen right off the top of the episode, because this one she's in the talent. She's just gotten up, you know, just takes a picture. The second one, presumably right after that, it's Chloe as lois going to the the ASA Club's bar, uh, looking for Zatana. She asked the bartender, like, hey, well, was you're here earlier than usual? Right? Uh? And it's it's it's she's even her wardrobe is at like weird, like it's like very

Chloe esque. I thought, Um, but I did a different outfit here than it is later when she's got the little like sweater thing over her shirt. Oh, you know what, it is different? So maybe that is a different I don't maybe, I don't know. When this place, I thought I thought it was the same outfit. I thought it was a different jacket. Oh that's what it was. A jacket. Good call, good call, Thank you. Ray. Why there's a girl here, but then

you know what, she can't find Zatana. You know who she does find, Henry James Olsen himself at the Jason Why is he here? Yeah, I don't this This would have been his only scene. Porter and Ashmore showed up for this episode and then got cut out. And this is druggy Jimmy, right. He looks like hell, as you find out in later episodes,

he's addicted to his bankkillers. And it's actually a real good scene and a real necessary scene because the interesting angle is this is Chloe and Jimmy thinks that it's Lois, and he's telling her like his perspective of this whole thing of what happened. He's like, yeah, I can't move my wife to my back on me work. It's the worst. And I guess because they have this rift right now, she doesn't just tell them, Hey, I'm Chloe. Let's figure this out. So she's just it's left hanging there.

But you know, I look, I'm the last person who's like, give me more. Henry James eils in the show. But I think this would have been a good scene to have. H I agree. I when I was watching through all the billion scenes, I think of all of them that they're gonna include. One, it really should have been this one one because

I think he should have been in the damn episode. But two, I mean it just added a lot more context to everything, especially when it comes up later with Clark and it's like, I'm not going to take side, and you know, I see both sides of it. I think that was a really good kind of like clue into what kind of m Clark was saying, um, because we get more of Jimmy's perspective. So I think the I don't think you should have been cut. I think it was necessary.

I don't care much about Jimmy, so I hear what you're saying, But I sorry, I totally valid. Did they mentioned him to your point? Right? They mentioned him so much? Ye, Me and Jimmy made you and Jimmy jim And then he's not even in there, not even the episode. And to know that he was there, he was on set, like they filmed the seed and they just deleted it. Character. You're absolutely right. Yeah, he does have a good line at the end of the delay tune, He's like, you know, right now, I just want to

be anybody but me. You know what, I mean, and I was just like, yeah I do. I'm like, look at you, small Bill, Like, let's that's good writing. Like I was so proud of them, and they just threw it away. They threw it all away. Is a really long scene though, Like I guess they couldn't really cut much of it down, and that's why it gets gets why he gets exercised like this, right, yeah, I would hope that this is the last thing

they cut. They're like, all right, we really yeah, we cut everything else we could, but we tried to keep this but we couldn't. So so we have a little stippett. We have a full scene of a character who's not in the episode otherwise of the you know, it's a very important scene for those characters, Chloe and Jimmy. Our third deleted scene is

an extension of a scene. And I actually think this is actually ended up much better this way in the episode cutting it because it's when it's when Clark first, you know, loses his knowledge that he's he's Kryptonian and stuff, and Chloe is Lois is like, aren't you gonna do something? He's like, you're absolutely right, Lois. He pulls out of shoone he's like number one, Yes, I like to report a crime. And they cut the

commercial. I'm like, oh, that's hilarious, right, and then the actually deleted scene continues on, and you know, Chloe as Lois, you know, sees this and like takes action, like tackles the guys took us a woman's burst and all that. Clark comes over and he's like, ohoh wow, that was really brave, but you could have gotten hurt. And it's like it's just leaning into how silly Clark is at this point. Um, I mean cute, but I think they made the right choice cutting cutting

out what about y'all? One hundred percent for me, especially like when when he gets his memories are raised, it almost feels like he's playing more of a Christopher Reeve type Clark. Like it's very distant from the Clark we know. And I guess that's because he's been you know, magically lobotomized here, but yeah, it's it's just it's odd. Um. And I do agree that the joke you know, cut to commercial there is is much stronger than

then Chloe is tackling the guy. I don't know what we're gonna go with with this, Yeah, I don't want to say chloeeslows the whole time. What's Chloe? Right? I see people for who they are underneath, and I'm going to call her clothe Okay, thinking of Clark And even though that deliand scene um in my notes in the episode, I have boring Clark is extra boring and cliche. Yeah exactly, I'm like, do we mean any more of that? We got the point CLARKA that is Howards is boring.

Yeah, let's go like fair enough bad news for the future folks. Yeah, all right. So then so then our our fourth, our fourth deleted scene is an entire scene with Chloe and Lois. After Lois comes back, you know, they center New Mexico. She brings her a some burrow. She's like, hey, Coopleanos, that's Spanish your birthday. I'm like, okay, that's that's cute. That's I like that. And this is actually a very good scene. I was because I was like, oh, they

gonna like how are they gonna play this like it? You know, because I hadn't seen this before. I don't think or if I had, I forgot because it was years ago when I first got the DVDs and I was like, yeah, somebody hi checked my ID and I was laid on all these deadlines or whatever, and cho He's like, yeah, well that was me. And the way Lois reacts is like, well, stranger things have happened, right, like thank you. Finally a character who's been living in

this show for many years understands this weird stuff. And I really like,

uh, I really like how she's cool about it. And also I love like the conversation they had here, which which is a very important conversation have between these two characters, especially because they like literally put a spotlight on it on this episode of Yes, Chloe was Lois Lane on as I've said for many years on this podcast, Chloe was like Lois Lane on this podcast for many years, and they just like switched him out, like yeah, Ilois,

now you're gonna have a job and all that stuff, and like that's that's kind of weird, and like they address it like between each other, and like Lois tells Chloe, Hey, you might have walked to mile in my shoes, but I've always been following in your footsteps. You made me who I am today. I'm like, look at this, this is like these are some great scenes you're just leaving on the cutter room for a moment.

I was, I was, Lady just appinted, because you know, I want to see these characters in areat how many times have characters died and come back and they and they delete the like reunion scenes, like there's so many the leaded scenes on the want to die. She's back, Chloe died and she's back, and there's the first scene back together, and they just

delete these scenes and it's like this is good but character stuff. And I think it was really important to kind of resolve because Chloe's like insecurity was like I want Lois's life at least in that moment, right, And that's a good resolution to that. And they just I don't know that that's a that's a tough one to cut. I don't know what else you cut to include this, But I think this was a great scene. I liked it there.

I mean, I think the Chloe and Lowest relationship the whole show has this been complicated and I think this was just not like a not like it needs like a resolution, but it was a good moment kind of resolution e

in their relationship. But I think the show could have used because there was kind of this like back and forth Enis with them and like kind of the I guess, I mean, it's been years now since Chloe had like her high school crushing Clark, but even so that's a little weird, and so I think that verbal kind of resolution moment between the two of them, and also kind of just like you said, acknowledging the fact that hey, remember when you did all of these things first, and now I'm doing them,

so I don't know, that's it. Yeah, it felt necessary. This was a really cool scene to see because like when I watched the episode before this and it ends and like clearly Lois has been brought up to speed, like I don't see that scene and they did exit, like this is the

one that I really wish they didn't cut. You get that character development and kind of the like end of Chloe trying to be Lois for lack of a better way to phrase that, and she also accused him him like hey, by the way, like Clark's totally unto you, you know, and like

this is important stuff. It's really fun. You're you're right, I think I said the other the Jimmy scene, this, no, this is the one they should have considering Lois is in the episode of the rest of it obviously, and it kind of kind of ties up what was going on. And this episode as opposed the other one, which the Jimy scene is really nice, good character stuff between the two of them, good situation. But

this is more important. I don't see anything like sometimes I'm like, oh, maybe they could have cut this so that I really don't see what else they could have cut and this episode to include this stuff. So yeah, oh, by the way, this is where she says hex too. Chloe's like, oh, when the hecks lifted right, so that this is where your episode titled the episode would have been, but they cut it, so

we don't get the plus. So I wonder if the writers are like always try to That's why I admitted that category, because I've always been curious if they like do this intentionally, but I don't know. That makes me think they do. Mina was too blind to see the truth. There were two boys that fell to ear affected you and the traveler who is sat here to kill him. You're a hero, you save people, lashed tower sufficiently online, I'm Satanna. I give people what they want up up in a way

you were justined to kill each other. You'll never fulfill your great destiny until you meet your greatest challenge. Everything that's happened to you, it is because of me. Fertaly found a way out of this. I want this to be over all new next Thursday at meat seventh Central. Hex was he seventeenth episode of Smallville's eighth season. It aired on March twenty sixth, two thousand and nine. Was written by Brian Q. Miller and directed by Marzi Almas.

That's something we're doing in season eight is a ratings watch and ray. That's when I ask you, the guest, what you thought the ratings were of this episode. Matt is very familiar with this game. So to give you a couple context clues, Okay, right when to be the previous week's episode Turbulence three point four nine million people watch that show and way back the season premiere just for context Odyssey four point three four million. Oh god,

so we've lost almost a million. Well for good reason, but I think his Lex Luther's gone, Hey, weal quick? Great when when watching Smallville like in order and whatnot, Um, what did you think of Darth Lex in the place of Mike ooh, since since you brought up that he's gone because you're huge Rosenbomb fan, I don't want to talk about it. Well, I think that's your answer. I think that's your answer, folks it Yeah, no one's plan a the first appearance of that, I would have

had some stuff to say on your podcast at um. But yeah, okay, so we were looking at three point what million? Three point four nine? Last week? Okay, can I can I? I've got a guess three point six two? Oh um, I'll go in between the two then I'll say three point five five. I think it was. Was there a kind of can I can I have another context? Clue? Ye? I don't know if you know this, but in the advertising for this episode, was there any mention of our guests are of like, oh, coming up

next week, Zatanna or anything? Must have been right. So, actually, the promo for HECKX is like a combination promo of a lot of episodes, which is one of those like it's like the next month of small Ville, Right, there's all kinds of episodes in there, but Zatana's in there and she does say like I have the power to grant you a wish and stuff like that, so okay, people in the no would know who was

coming up. Three point five isn't my guess? Okay? Three point seven nine, Wow, that's Satana bump there maybe so people were, oh, no, Michael Rosa moom but you know, close, but we'll take okay. But really, though, I think I think guest stars and guest characters have a big factor in these ratings, you know, I mean, it's just interesting contract these things, you know. But the highest rated episode of

the season was Bloodline. Lor Vanvert came back as Supergirl four point four or five million because people were excited to see Supergirl come back, right, yeah, higher than the premiere even yeah, and then they just wrote her off the show again, immediately get her out of here where he goes Moallville absolutely gosh, drop the ball on that one, Smallville. But we're here and heck's episode for some reason not titled Satana and Chloe is at the ASA clubs

alone out in a balcony. It's just kind of filling with her wedding ring because her marriage has gone to crap. I guess that's what's going on there. But hey, mysterious figure comes up behind her hands or box from Clark and she's like, oh, Clark, you shouldn't have psych It's not Clark, it's Oliver. What did you think of that? I like this little scene between the two. It's it's hard not to put the like future husband and wife context on it watching this, you know, but it's it's cute.

And it also like I don't think this was on the writer's mind at the time, but it does just kind of show like how kind of organically that relationship first here as a friendship and you know, working relationship, and how that developed. But it was nice to see these these kind of early days of them for me. Yeah, that was what I was gonna say too. I like that, like you said, organic relationship that they had kind of have things they genuinely started as friends. I think that's cute.

So friends who are often on the same side of the superhero coin of like what we should do next and sometimes right compared to Clark and sometimes wrong,

but like a little more the pragmatic ones, right. I think that's interesting about their relationship is like, I don't think it hit any intention of getting these two together when they introduced either these characters obviously, so they're just writing like people like people interacting and have an interaction, so they're not like, hey, guys, they're gonna get together with all that crap's gone, so they can just be natural and organic. I think it's the word here.

H Clark is busy though. He's with BArch and they're dealing with the crisis in Keystone, Keystone City being one of the two twin cities that Central City is a part of, so some flash references. They're pretty cool and a crisis reference. You know, that's right. We will see bart again in this season finale, so it's not just throwing out a name we're never gonna see again. We actually do see him again. And what is here but the Tales of the Unexplained Book? What is this book? No one loves

props more than me, But what where did this book come from? So this book is from Abyss a few episodes ago. It's from the flashback when Coe met Clark. The first day she moved, she lost a book. Clark stole it from the library because nobody can check out a library book that fast. He literally stole it from the library. He gave it to her, and this is him, you know, calling back to that. That's a good callback retroactive continuity, but okay, cool, Well it's a story

from season one though, are they talking about it then? I don't know. I don't remember they're talking about the book. Honestly it's this one, but it isn't. The story about their first kiss and stuff is from season one, which we see in um abyss. So anyway, it's if if bet a worst case. It's half retroactive, so I give them credit there at least. So anyway, they're paying attention enough though, I like that.

Cool. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. And we we get cut a cut away to Lois So when they're having the time of her life and just I don't know what she's doing. She's she's living enough? No what with yeah with Rando? Who are that from? People? But Chloe has his quote that was supposed to be my life and I'm like, at the Watchington show it, I'm like, well, yeah, actually that you make a good point. Yeah, how did you feel about this? I was.

I felt somewhat vindicated but also offended at the same time. I didn't know how to feel. Um no, because because that was my criticism at the time. Like season eight, they're really they're really doing louis Land a good job. But at the same time, they could have handled that transition a little better. And I feel like this is their attempt to kind of smooth that over, and like, you know, I'm picking up with the pudden down right, They're doing it pretty good. Um, all over things.

Chloe jealous because she is, like you were saying, right, like still not over this crushed thing, really, And then Lois comes over here just you know, it's a fun thing to say. But she's like one year, one year closer to the sweet release of death, the biggest smile on her face. I love Lois Lane. Oh man, that's cute. Though. That's cute, and I we need to see more of this stuff. We need to see more of them. That's why I like that.

The lead to see him like them actually spending time together. I have fun together, like this bond that apparently have almost family if you will. Yeah, yeah, Clark is not here because he's busy. Lois drops on clothe They Hey, you know what day plant, They're gonna They're gonna fly me out to Mexico. Uh so I gotta go. I do. Look, it's like all right, leading into leading into this vantage. Right, but she says, don't do anything I wouldn't do. I'm like, that is

good writing because she's literally going to become her. I was like, get you. Yeah, I was picking up, been down for this episode with this stuff. Okay, but then Oliver has to go too, and she's buy her It is sad, she's buy herself a little tr on, a little cupcake. I'm like, if you saw somebody like this in a bar at her club by by themselves, you and full start for them too, right. Yeah, yeah, I haven't been that person, so don't even ask. Yeah, I have no idea what that would feel like. Man,

that couldn't be me, but shut up. But we have our introduction to Zatana, the Mistress of Magic and played by Surrenda Swan. Surrenda Swan who at the time I think she's on stands for being in Tron Legacy. She was like one of the just one of the background people in Legacy from Smallville. Uh. Now, of course today most answer being Medusa in Humans. That's who that is. Yes, sir, Wow, I purposely didn't look her up because I'm like, YouTube will take care of this. Wow.

Okay. Yeah, so really with the DC casting huh with fellow Small Little guest star Instan Mount as black Bolt. Right, yeah, there you go. They clearly that Marvel was just watching small than like casting there the guest stars as the in Humans there, Ray, did you go deep on her the actress too? Like when you first kind of responding to her? Not really? Um, I looked up a little bit. I wasn't really much of a Tron fan. Um, I've yet to see in Humans,

so I haven't either. When you're doing fine in life, rightly, it's reputation proceeds it in Humans. Thanks. Ye. Now she was an episode of New twi Zone written by Jordan Peel, which is pretty good as well. Yeah, I'm actually I'm genuinely interested in that, so I'll have to watch that. I love The Twilight Zone the first season. Little here miss the New twil Zone. Second season's fantastic. I love the second season.

The second season has been the first season. Maybe we've got a third season, but there really so anyway, that's just that's so like a Jordan Peel fan will enjoy the second season. Well, I think you'll enjoy both seasons. But I just thought that I thought the second season was stronger than two and she's in that one in an episode I believe it was. I don't

know if it was directed. It was definitely written by Jordan Peel. A small Ville like suddenly this season, and I think it's because of the a the lack of Rosenbaum frankly and be the kind of like Lowis and clarkification of

this show slowly, like just page to screen Zatana. It was so exciting at the time when this episode first came out, and and we'd had a few things like this this season, you know, like Plastic not so much, toy Man a little bit closer, and then it's her and by the end of the episode, she's like screaming at the heavens and speaking backwards and it's like, Wow, they like really went for this. This was thrilling

to watch at the time. Yeah, I think of all of like the other DC characters they could have brought in, I think it's so fun they

brought in her. And I think part of the reason that I responded to Zatana so much when she first came on stream and then do this episode and then later ones was I liked the idea of I mean, Clark isn't hurt by much and so I affected by magic, and I think it's so fun that she has that power over him because she's like, Okay, yeah, I'll kind of be your ally, but you know, don't don't mess with me because like, you know what I can do. I kind of like

that she has that little edge on him. I think that's fun. And she's in it for herself. She's not really like a hero hero in the small though universe. She's still kind of very much in it for herself and she's like, yeah, you know, at the very end, she's like, okay, Oliver, like maybe we'll you know, I'll be on your side next time or whatever like she had about it. And I think that's

really fun. It is something that I love about the the kind of DC dynamic with magic, where I mean, obviously there's like Justice League Dark and

stuff. There are books that are that focus on the magic and whatnot, But when you get like a core Justice League er with a magic person, they're always like, all right, you're the weirdo, but you're also I have to acknowledge the most powerful person here, so like you tell us what to do for a second, and then that's kind of the you know, what you're saying there, and and this power that like she can put Superman in the corner like that. That's that's so cool. M So she is

at this party to talk to Oliver Queens. It turns out, yeah, she's trying to get his He's trying, you know, he's trying to duck out. She's, oh, hey, kind of you look like a man and he needs a witch. She's like, ah, yeah, but hey, why don't you talk to the birthday girl over here? And I love how the pan was like, yeah, rough birthday, huh, well make how do we feel about her power? Is this a thing from the comics? I was going to ask y'all, like the whole I can grant you

a wish. I knew the backwards speaking from the animated shows and whatnot, but I wasn't sure about her one power is the wish thing? Hey? I think they had to nerve her power a bit for her intro to Small though, because in the comics, at least the ones that I had read, she's pretty dang powerful. Yeah, but I think they kind of had to nerve and limit her powers somewhat to almost like there's things like Mystic You and there's like Young Justice and things like that, where her power isn't quite

so powerful, so forgot about her and Young Justice. That's yeah, So I think they kind of had to make her not so overly powerful, especially because of her later appearances. She's obviously more powerful. Um, but yeah,

I think they kind of had to limit her a little bit. I think I don't think it was too bad of a small aplication, so to speak, because because later on we see her like the chains and the backwards speak and stuff like, because we get that, I'm like, oh, okay, she was just kind of like keep it, keeping it close to the vessel to speak. Here, there's also the kind of implication that not that this is as origin story as it is for Clarke obviously, but like

she hasn't had the book yet. Like the implication at the end of this is like I've got some reading to do if I'm ever going to catch up to Dad or whatever. And it's like, next time we see her now there's license for her to be as powerful as we need her to be, absolutely right, but right now she's just gonna make sure Chloe has a better

day tomorrow. She's like big wish, right, and so it's it's a it's a moment where where you know, it's a whole wish before you blow your candle thing, right, And Chloe glances overseas sees Lois having a time for life, talking on the phone, waiting on an elevator, and it's like, I want that life, right, and for that moment, that's what she wants. She makes her wish. We see her go home. She goes home. She lays that we've all been there. You've had it.

You've had a night, sometimes a really good night, sometimes really bad night, but you just flop down on the bed and go to sleep. But I would have released taken the tr off Fira. I would find that very immofiable to sleep with. But anyway, and we've all had moments where we wake up and we look like Erica Duran's and we're like, oh no, I would I would be like all right, and that would you know? I would Yeah, yeah, I think all three of us would be

like, well, I get this is I can work with this. Yep, let's go with it. I love I love the reveal though, right,

because like we see, like we get she goes to sleep. Cut to the morning she puts her feet into her slippers and her feet here too big for the slippers, right, like, oh first hint, right, walks over to walks over to the mirror, and then we pan off and she's like, oh my god, I'm loss And I'm like, oh, look at that and the face expression, the little Alison Mack twitchy's facial expressions.

I think your durance is a good job with that. I want to ask you guys, you know, the gold standard for an actor playing another actor playing a character is Tom Welling playing Lionel Luther in transference. Like that's the most fantastic performance, right, Um, what do y'all think of durance channel channeling Alison Macker. I think it was good. Like you said,

like the twitchiness, I think she definitely had down Um. Also, I was noticing like her aligned delivery and like her speech cadence, especially in some of the banter with Clark. It was definitely like quicker um, whereas lois kind of whatever she's like talking with Clark kind of takes the more. I mean, she has like a quick wit, but she takes a bit more of a slow burn, whereas Alison Mack is a bit more like you know, quick and flittery and chirpy, and her quick kind of retort with him.

So I think she definitely changed her cadence that I noticed. Thought it's funny you said chirpi. It was exactly the word I was thinking of. But yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's a good performance. It's hard when you compare it to like tom As as Lionel, because it's like, well, that's that's so that's two opposite sides of the coin, where like these characters are very similar, as you've pointed out for years now, So it's

it's a more subtle thing. But I think the writing really helps, and I think like Erica has done scenes with this woman for years now, and she's just just just kind of can pick up those little mannerism of things and those little uh line deliveries that I bought. I bought really well. Like there is a noted difference at the end when Lois comes back and you're like,

yes, there's my girl. Okay, there's a little bit more confidence to to Lois even even now here and obviously that scene especially, but yeah, there's there's a there's a little bit more of the kind of not lost puppy dog but less confident um as as Chloe, and I think she does a great job with it. Yeah, this is the perfect way to watch a Chloe episode, by the way, in current times so true. You know, even the episode, it's it's telling you we're gonna have fun this

episode, y'all because this is fun. The music is fun. You're like, oh, it's gonna be fun. And we got the open credits to come back, and uh, Choe as Lois. We're gonna just call her Chloe because that that's who she is, right she she calls Lois on the phone, I guess to I think to make sure it's not a freaky Friday situation. Move great move, anything weird going on there? No, And it works because Lois is in this jeep in the desert or something she can't

really hear. She's like, you don't really sound like herself. I do love to like everything going well down. Yeah, except for like the human trafficking or in drugs or whatever. Yeah, thing's fine, Matt, Should this be you're not yourself? Because she says you don't sound like yourself. I don't know. I mean, she's yeah, okay, well but but but the lion. The lion is you're not yourself. It has to be there. Yeah, okay, well, I mean you don't sound like yourself.

I'm like that, that does it for me. But I I I'm not here to go against you know, the cannon of the podcast. So what do you think Ray You'll be You'll be the deciding factor. Oh my god, there's so much pressure. This is what I'm saying, Like, this is too much for us to handle. It's pressure. I mean, I think statement wise, I think you don't sound like yourself is a different

statement. It's hard to argue in the black and white there. All right, all right, judges say at no dally Board audition, Sorry tally Board. But how are we doing on Chloe Kills? Where are we with che So after determining this, uh, it's it's just fun to see Lois talk to Lois on the phone like that. That's just a cool, fun visual. I'm cutting back and forth and that also helps you see the two different kind of angles that Dereka Duran's taken to it. But we take this and

we go we go to work, Chloe goes to work. Get this nice point of view shot of like her, you know, the being John Malkovic camp for going down the stairs and people like, oh, hey, Lois, good to see guy. Here's your coffee, here's your here's your don't worry. Don't worry, miss Lane. You'll remember my name one of these days. Love it? Who is that kid? I want to give him a hug, but Clark I forget what his name is, but Clark knows

it. Later I'm like, excellent, yeah, yeah, just being in the wrong coffee to day or I don't even Yeah, you're so right, it's funny. Can we talk about Chloe's Lois outfit like it felt? It felt right to me as as a Chloe outfit, But then Clark's line really confused me, where He's like, I don't, you're kind of pushing how tight a short can be to be dressed? Yeah, what are we saying about this outfit? What are we saying about Chloe? This is lowest fitting

into Chloe's clothes, That's what the uh okay? I really didn't get that, but I thought they were saying like, yeah, Chloe always dresses, you know, more provocatively. I'm like, Chloe, no, what you know? No, I said, has bigger boobs? Cute Okay, I like that. That's that's what it is. Yeah, it was like a foot taller Superman's Boy and that's Cannon. Justin Hartley isn't even chained up yet and you're already talking about boob could come up. Yeah, have some respect.

This is a a ton of episode. While you're not wrong, me and my fish net to say, how dare you nice? Yeah, Chloe is admiring the desk here like Lois all these press badges and then a picture with the Dolly Llama. Yep, I love how cluttered Lois's desk is too, Like this is so hard. I don't know, Like I question if that was did Erica Duran's meet the dolli Lama because that looked like some pretty

good photoshop for this shows standards. If it was, I'm just saying, so I've seen some really bad photoshop on this show, so maybe she did. But uh yeah no, I just said. Clark comes in comments on a rototrope, as we said, and I really I really like this energy here. I feel like we're getting this insight into like their every day that

we usually don't get between the two of them. Clark just making this small talk and this or that, and I uh, we find out that like Klois called Clark like five times and clothes like, oh so you had time to do that, but not called Chloe's sad birthday and Clark's like Chloe knows I'm dizzy, Like we've all been there. Yeah anyway, UM, loved that. I loved this whole. It's still this kind of brothers sisty energy

between the two of them. I don't say in like a creepy way, but like that kind of like I don't know, I love you because you annoy me type thing, and it's really fun. Again, the Lowis and clarkification of this show is kind of raging Sepreme here his little line of like can't this wait till you're after lunch, pre dinner, post coffee snack break, and I'm like incredible, you know, perfect for both of them to know this, you know, like how Clark took a Jimmy side in this

uh in this breakup. I thought that was very interesting because there's two sides every story. Some Davis shade coming in. Yeah, yeah, that'd I've been wrong about the Davia's bloom of zergular thing, but you know, you got a bloint. You know, how can you be with someone doers for you? So I'm like, oh, wow, okay, And then hearing I was like, oh my god. You know they get a call, right, there's a standoff, please standoff? And uh, she's kind of

slow to slow to the game. Clarks like aren't she the one usually taking me out the door? And then and then Cloe is like, start your engines, small villain. I wrote that down in quotations like start your engine small small bill like again, because one of the main differences between these two characters, while with all their similarities, is that Lois is so confident,

and that was the least confident. However, I've heard Eric Ran says the word small bill um, and so it was just it was very funny music start your engines small small though. Yes, that was the first time it really clicked in for me. I'm like, oh, Eric's great, and it's like Eric is really It's just one of those dumb things. I was just kind of like in the episode watching him, like oh, clue, but like then like, oh no, she's like the actress is doing some

great stuff here. So we uh we cut to Luther corp In Oliver's new office, Luther corp Um. You know we feel about this off I think Alex and Lionel's offices were much cooler. I don't know, a great I always thought this looked real stupid. This is real cheap looking. Yea, hey, it's better than the plane that they've been on. We saw the plane ball in the last episode, and I think maybe we're finally done with a plane. Maybe we're finally done with Oliver hanging out on his plane in

the runway, he said, with hope in his eyes. Yeah again, I mean, you know where else would a rich white guy hang out? Then put it in a hangar? Like that's like, why is it on the runway? All that's he's just on a computer, on a desktop computer on his plane doing research. So ridiculous. Yea Wi Fi there, yeah, right, like we do. There's a really long ethernet going from the airport into the Yeah, because we don't have cell phones, so we gotta

know we don't have phones. Dark Ages of two thousand and nine. I've always hated that Queen in the Queen Family decal that they put on the walls, Like that's what kind of kills this set did? You not like it in his clock Tower set either. I didn't mind it in the clock Tower set because it's I don't I don't know why exactly, like I can't defend my choices. It's just like an ascetic reaction. But I remember seeing this like for the first time and being like, oh no, this once really

beautiful set looks real stupid. Yeah, because Test's office is now Daily Planet, right, so so this which is a great office that we built for Carrie Fisher and has done as well ever since then, is that No, They've they've torned that down and rebuild it. Sets the man, I think that's the same one. There's no way. I don't know. I don't think we saw that office at all, like in season five or after the after that, but that's that's the one office they have, Like, that's

the office that Lewis and Clark are in the like Homecoming. You know, I gotta pay I gotta pay closer attention to that is sorry, let's go back to season five. Then let's put this on hold. And yeah, no, I agree, And then hey, if you're trying to not give away the fact that you're um a green arrow, maybe not have your family crash with bows and arrows and then green arrows, all these quivers on the wall, like what are you doing mad? Anyway? Secret? I didn't

he fail for this guy? Um? But he picks up this newspaper and it's this search for continues, search continues for Luther murderer because they've Oliver killed Lex Suther a few episodes ago, and he framed the toy man as we all know, with a monkey bomb. Yes, legs Uther died bomb in a monkey Yes. As I always do, I freeze frame these and kind of read the newspaper and I'll post the screen shot. But like, so I read the headline. I'm like, okay, and there's a Lex Uther

picture. But then underneath this is Lex Luthor donates one million dollars to high school. I was like what. And it's like, is this from some leftover like somebody. They've been doing really well about these newspaper proptily, but this time somebody just plugged that in from season three or four. It's like Lex Luthor, CEO of Luther Corp. I'm like, oh, come on, man, he's dead in the first headline, get with it. The

art department was really busy. They're making all this Satana stuff for this episode, you know. Sorry, So then uh, Szatana comes in to meet to meet Oliver and h that's when we kind of find out that guy she was really there to meet Oliver at the party and find out that her her father is dead. And Oliver was like, hey, I know what it's like to lose family. So you know, there's a good connection here all these characters like kind of connecting on their loss. I think it's a good

kind of through line between all these characters. Huh m hmm. It's the it's the DC comics way right, Like they're all kind of orphans in in one way or another. I think that I hear like dead parents. Yep. I love this idea that's introduced here that like, um, her book was was collected by the Luthor's because like we know that they've got so much stuff all like we've seen this happen before, you know, Like it's just I thought that was a really nice way to kind of keep the the Luther

legacy alive here without having to use the characters obviously. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, even though we didn't see the auction where he bought this as you said, Mat, how many saves we've have? We been in some bimagical maps and you know candidates. He bought this in season four. I think he would help him with Yeah, right right, he outbid Clarie and the witch Boy. You know. Oh but Oliver here, he's funny. He's like, can't she just like well your nose or something,

and fullest lot of that. It's like cute, but I don't know that kind of magic, all right? And the big an interesting distinction here about how like she makes this. Oliver is in charge of Luther Orp now because Luther Coorp and Queen's resubmerged. And she's like, oh, well you could Liken get some of the stuff, right, And he's like, well, Lex's lawyers only near his private collection, like okay, So then you know later on he breaks into a big building. It's his luth Grup on

it. So yeah, that was my question. And he does like a he takes out guards with like whatever, sleepy arrows and it's like, you'll get a Christmas bonus or whatever. I'm like, so do you control this building? Yeah? Right? So so so Ray, I don't know your feelings on one Roman nineteen eighty four but I just starting to get a vibe of that from Zatana's powers here. You know, this one wish thing. Oh she is certainly she's suddenly Maxwell Lord, Yeah this is the way.

Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Again, I the wish thing works for the episode, but it still bothers me knowing how powerful she is in the comics, like she explains it here, like and like she she is presenting herself like, oh yeah, I don't know any magic. This is the one thing I could do. Is that also freaky? Right? Yeah, it's very media freaky level. But again, I mean this is a bit more origin story for her. The wish thing still

kind of bothers me at this point. Okay, all right, powerful, you can do so much more. Although I mean the only thing that I do kind of like about it is the motivation of her father. That is, like our primary kind of storyline into comics is going on and doing the magic and everything for her father, trying to reconnect with him and everything. Um, and so I I guess in a way it makes sense because she

does have to learn to become more powerful. Yeah. I don't know, when you were talking there, reminded I think from that that is a ton

of Black Canary. I don't know which one comes first national title, but but in that book there's there's like a reference to like it's not just about speaking the words backwards, it's about it's about the inflection and like getting it getting it correct, like really kind of studying the way you're saying these things, and like I that I so respond to that, and I like the idea that like she can do that a little bit here, but she really

will have to go away and kind of study the book and put the time in, right. Yeah, Now, I usually don't like magic in these things because I'm like, I'm over sci fi guy then a fantasy guy, Wonder Woman nine tenty four being a prime example, Like maybe should avoid some of those things. So the rules are very vague, right, yeah,

and you know you have to be very clear tonight. I think they do a good job of making it clear here what she is and is incapable of with the one, even though it has it limits her powers as being over from the comics and other sources like at least okay, you get what she's all about, right, but she says its toll over here, She's like, oh, so hey, get me this book, right, I'll grant you a wish. I'm sure there's something you forget this right, or something

you might have duney want to take back right. And it's like it hits on Oliver regretting that he killed Lex, all right, and then I don't Yeah that well, this was just a question that I had never wanted to get you guys, your thoughts on it, Like what do we think?

What's the implication here that he was gonna bring Lex back? That have been interesting, Like I I'm not sure how we're supposed to you'd think, like I'll save my family before they get shipwrecked on that island, you know, like um, but but I with the newspaper, Like I feel like that's there to kind of give us that Like he feels guilty, you know, like that's why he's doing this thing, unless it's less about that and more

of just wishing away his guilt. Yeah, oh that's interesting too. Okay, of guilt, I like what I like that better, frankly, or like guilt for killing you know, Lex or whatever it is, Like he just doesn't want to live with his guilt. I think he's okay with living with his actions. That's my thing. I'm like, I don't think this

guy actually does. He's sad about like maybe we're left that you're having to keep the secret from Clark because I think it's still a secret, right yeah, But like, um, I don't think he thinks it was the wrong move. I don't think he has a regret. I just still think he's guilt. And oh, I like your reading of that better. That's cool, right, you know what that makes you think of Attack of the Clones. Rankin's like, I wish I could just wish away my feelings. Yep,

No, that's a good that's a good take on it. Here, here's what I thought. I don't know if this was because I wasn't posting or anything at least message cript on site, mesage words anything back on the anybody think I was still lurking around it right now? And then this was a big debate because like she presents this thing to him like hey, I ran a wish and you kind of hear her like disappearing sound effect and she Batman's out and he looks up and she's gone, and people are like,

wait, did the wish happen? Did he resurrect Lex. Is this how we're gonna like bring Lex back? Later the like Oliver like wish the lexis back. There was speculation like because they blew up Lex beyond prepare and then a couple episodes ago, how are we gonna fix this? They were like, well, maybe we can use this loophole and bring him back. And

I remember this was a thing back at the time. There was discussion about how weird would that have been, like six episodes later where they're like, well, remember that one scene in your office, Hey, Matt, how weird would it have been if they just said, well, we put you together from all these clone pieces and you have memories. I don't, but I don't think that's him. I don't. I don't know. We don't anyway. I mean, that's that's its own thing. That's anyway, this

idea was presented. The show is leading into the Lex thing, all right, because he's looking at the paper and he's still looking at it. So that's they were They didn't know they were clueless. They were like, well, I'm gonna fix this. Well, they didn't know. They were trying everything they could to give themselves some options. But anyway, there we go.

There's that um, Chloe and Clark were out on the street as Lewis and Clark, she trips and almost falls and Clark gives his hero catch and kinda stares into her eyes lovingly, and she's like, wow, you never looked at me like that before. God, Kloie, it's rough. I just this is the show I want and not not her. It's it's like, oh, absolutely, I just feel bad for Chloe, so I know, I know, like the girls comment that she doesn't get over Clark until

she gets under Ali her. Oh I agree with that assessment. I agree. But this, this episode's cleaning up some and then the um the Silvermanchi episode kind of again kind of can change to clean up this mess. I love it too because and also it's required because because the show is so convoluted with all these relationships with people who were cousins and stuff, and it's like,

you gotta have these episodes to clean this mess up. So anyway, and again, Erica killing it with facial expressions, the kind of twitchy like you see you can see the Alison macisms, and in her performance there, um lois very Lois Lane passing off money of the cops for the poker game. At love that so cute like this this is this is like the lowest lane I'd love where she's kind of got the town wired, you know, like everyone's quote unquote a friend or in her pocket or whatever, you know.

And and and Ray, what what did you? What did you think was going on here? With this guy yelling and screaming? Did you I couldn't quite catch what they were saying? What's going on? So basically, in order to get information about the book, his wish was to know more about like dead languages. I guess what was happening. And so he was screaming about Zatanna in latin um, But what was it he knew what the

book? Like? Did he did Lex bite from him? Was that the thing they imply the way I understood it, and somebody else they did this more clearly, but the way I understood it was I guess at some point he had access to the book. Zatanna's father had it right, and it was lost at auction. I think this guy or maybe bought it on behalf of Lex at the auction, because we I mean, why why the hell would Lex go to an auction holding up the panels? Really? Or million

for the thing. I don't know. Yeah, I feel like somehow through him or maybe he was the auctioneer or something, I don't know. The thing that bothers me is, Okay, he's rambling on all crazy in Latin, and the next time we see him he's fine and speaking English. Because you realized he didn't want that wish anymore. Oh, what we're saying that these are the rules? Guy, I like magic going up against these characters. But yeah, maybe we've been off a little more that we could choose

in this episode. I mean, yeah, I guess he didn't. He didn't on it anymore. I don't know, but you're right he was somehow familiar with the book and now he knew like this is bad. I don't know if it was my head, my head cannon try and connect God. So I was like, oh, this is the guy that sold it to Lex or knew about it, and that's that's how that's why she went to him. That was my understand because he's very knowledgeable about the things. Yeah,

we all missed the one line that explains yeah a check. Yeah. So hearing Zatana as the guy screaming up from his fire escape, Chloe's like, oh, that's the witch who when you did this to me? And of course I think wiche woman. This song good reference there, and Chloe starts selling Clark like oh well, okay, I'm gonna do this. Why don't you use a superspeed here and do that? And Clark's sake super speed because he thinks he's talking to low. It's like, we don't go a

car. I don't understand. I love this. It's me. I'm Chloe stood up to her up at the formal Chloe, we still get over that, right, but this is the thing, right un Yeah, yeah, these wounds are still somehow fresh because she keeps picking kissed you Kazaba was in in the world and like yeah, so rattles off crypton Jarell, Brainy ac Fortress Chloe. He's like, oh god right, oh damn it. Yeah, and oh this is where she says hex to me. So almost the

episode titles setting episode so close. Um, we're getting really strict on this podcast. Wait, this is how it is. Okay, the way, this is the way, still salty about Clark not being at a party too. Oh you should be are you a super speed? I was there for six hours? You're telling me you couldn't stop by for ten minutes your oldest friend, I swear anyway, But this is a this is a good uh, this is a good follow up conversation. I really like the conversation that

they have kind of unpacking all this stuff. Yes, is this where Clark's line is like, there's a whole half of my life where this happens every day. Like I love that line. He's like, this is sick of this, you know, which is the normalcy of Lois and him. Yeah, this episode is very meta in a lot of ways. He like the Chloe being like I used to be Lois and him being like, this is my Life's just bizarre now you know I've been doing this for years is craziness.

But we get that set up for Clark's wish right, He's like, sometimes I wish I could just be a normal reporter that a care in the world. All right, let's go see his magician and see what happened. So they going the time to talking to her dad. What I liked about the way that they kind of like kept alluding to Zen Hannah throughout the episode.

If you notice the image they use for the advertisement, but also when Chloe as Lois first goes with the Daily Planet and like googles her basically the image is actually it's it's a call back to a pretty famous Zatanna comic book cover, um, which I really liked. I like that they kind of had like comic book cover Zatanna throughout the episode. I thought that was a lot of fun. The logo for her Magic Show is I don't think it's exactly it's very similar to the logo for for her books, and like what

they used for merchant stuff for her too. It's cool. Yeah, I like that a lot. I thought that connection was really fun. Seriously though, that she has to be one of the best adapted characters because they can they can just do the character like here's here else she looks, here's what she does, like you know, Booster Gold is another one that comes to mind because some of the other characters have these these compromised costumes, are these

compromised powers. You know, what are you saying about? What are you saying about Doctor Fate? He you know it was the helmet's little plasticy. Matt not gonna lie on the metal myself, but I agree. I love the Doctor Fate costume, helmet looks plasticy. I have the same criticism for Aero's death stroke. It's like, that's a plastic you looking at it right there. Let's football, huh. I've never had that feeling. I love Doctor Fate. I was super jazzed when it happened on this show. But

I hate that costume. Man, you hate the costume? Yeah, I really do. Okay, what about Hawkman's costume. I think that's a much better attempt to what they're doing there from that episode. But if we don't get into it, I really like the hawkgirl helmet with the with the crack

in it. I think that's rad. Yeah, anyway, But Santanna Yah is in you know, short shorts and fish nets and you know, a jacket and you can pull it off very easily, exactly exactly, and you can even costplay it if you really want, right, I mean, we canna do your best. So satanis and they're talking to her dead dad as you do. I'm talking to the picture there. You know we're gonna meet together soon father whatever. It's like it's kind of ominous, you know,

you're like, what's what's her planned? Yeah? They have to hash all this out. I think they did a good job being very careful about explaining that, like, Okay, look, Satan was like, look, this is what you wish for, and Chloe's like, I didn't want the usually and this I wrote this down. She said, I'm not saying that she's your heart's deepest desire, but in that moment, this is what you wanted. I was like, okay, So I think that's very important they established

that, right m H. I loved that. You know, whenever Clark and and Chloe were being all accusatory, it's like, oh, you you have to lift this curse off of Chloe, and Zatanna is like visibly kind of upset. She's like, exactly, hers, excuse me, I think, bitch, Like I don't even I love that for her. It's like no, no, no, no, no, you wanted this. You live with it now, and if you don't, we'll go away. But tell me you don't want it. That's what I thought, And I love

that I don't want it. It's like, yeah, you still want this. It's almost like they called her like this old crone and she's like what yeah, but uh, we just we get to understanding the wish like you know, once you give up on the wance, it goes away or it fades away. The next day, it's like good for a day, you

know that kind of thing. So again, I let you have to establish rules with magic, right, otherwise you're sitting here having these I mean, they did a decent job here, and we're still having conversations about it because because here right, Clark is kind of accusatory, comes up to right and she's like, oh, I wonder what your wish would be, and then we hear like the sound effect, we see the reflection of his eyes,

and he didn't verbalize a wish or anything, but it happened. He got his wish, you know what I'm saying, yep, which Wade people think maybe all forgot his wish and Lex Luthor is alive somewhere out there in the world. Michael's coming back mid day now, it's not coming back y'all. So but no, it's like, can you wish without your consents? Because

that's kind of what happened there, right. Clark didn't verbalize that, I mean, he wish for it outside he almost got stay puff marshmallow to relate where it's just like, don't think about the thing you want most, like, oh my god, ghos well, I mean I think whenever like Chloe like blew out her little candle whatever she didn't say, I want Lois's life, like out loud, like, oh, you're right. Still, I

don't think any of the wishes are actually verbalized. I think Z's magic just kind of was like if you had a wish in that moment when she's kind of just like her woo. Then it happens more intuitive, yes, intuitive, fair enough, which which leads even more credence to Oliver resurrecting legs.

But obviously that's not what happens. But anyway, we get the whole thing about how she shop owner better understanding that language is kind of a kind of a Monkey Paul thing for him, I guess on that way, Yeah, so so be it. But they leave right because because it's kind of Batman's Out again, that's what she does. She just Batman's Out disappears, right. We never actually see her go, right, We just hear like, oh, there's fairy lights or something in the right. Yeah, I don't

know what that is. She has teleporting powers in the comics, or she's just being stealth I don't know. I think she's that would be magical. Yeah, I thought you. I truly it sounds like it's like, you know, pixie dust, which is fine. It's it's fine. Yeah yeah yeah. So they leave and uh, Chloe's like, oh I forgot the magic affects you like the rest of us. I shouldn't have brought you. And Clark's like, helloa us, what do you mean the rest of us?

Like oh no, And then we realized that his whist came true. He's not a superhero anymore. Um amnis account plus one because he forgets I'm going to count ba because he forgets those that he's Superman all that good stuff. And h Clark. I love how Clark doesn't leave in Magic Awesome. Of course he wouldn't before all this happened to him every day for the past ten years. You know. Two questions for a what was the last time we like he dealt with magic? Like was it? Was it? Which

stuff? In season four? Uh? Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, there was, I mean the Countess Isabelle throw Yeah, it's been a whole half a show ago. And then mister Mix's fiddling from those football games. Do we count him as magic. Yeah he's match yeah yeah. Season season of season four is the season of Magic. Okay, And this is this is what we talked about the leading team this right before that, right where like a crime happens and like do something Clark, He's like, I

will. He calls nime on one. We got the commercial. It's such a great like hero pose to pull out a cell phone like that, so funny the phone too, But we cut the confercion. We come back and and Coloy's the Daily Planet trying to convince Clark of this. I love him in this because he's like, oh yeah, I used to get you confused all the time too. Lois is the tall one, right, that's hilarious.

I don't I've found this very entertaining. You guys are down. I love the Christopher Reeve Clark Kent okay, so maybe that's why I love this, But you guys are down on this. I really loved this performance series, this character. So it was good up until a point and it's got to be a little bit too caricature e And that's it was like, okay,

we get it, like you're you're doing a bit run course. I think for me it's like, I don't know this Clark kent on this show specifically, Like if this was like, you know, the first scene of the New Superman movie, it'd be like perfect, they nailed it, you know everything, Okay, it feels more like they're writing for comic Clark,

you know, a different version of Clark. I see that. I feel they're doing that a lot this season, especially with Lois honestly, because like even this episode is like, oh my god, it's Lois lay in their hand around. I agree, but I'm all for it exposed to look as long as we all know, we can agree to be cool with it. But let's call it. It's like Jimmy's Helois. God, she's worked her for years. Lois Is worked her for a year and a half maybe, and you're like, oh my god, it's the lane. Like so there

they use They do that too. They forget the writing for small little and not just like a combook. And Bryan Hugh Miller com book writer makes sense, So I'm not gonna hold it against him. But we see what's going on, so backs upset about it. So no, that's just no, it's been noted. Um, can we talk about the rules. Let's talk about the the scutest damn thing in the world to me that he brings up.

He brings up like it's one of your rules, the what and he brings out the little framed thing of like this, Oh man, you frame this? Sorry, I am just so so Alois and Clark shipper man, and the early bits of this relationship just kill me. And it's just so cute, how just in spite of himself, he is puppy dog in love with her. He is he is. It's it. It's Curly and Lorie in Oklahoma, you know, like he can't admit it yet, but he's

He's got his little love us collection. He framed her dumb little notepad and that's awesome. Rule number four. If it's too good to be true, it usually is. He knows it off the top of his stupid head. It's lemento from his first day of work. Matt Okay, oh yeah, that's all. Oh my god. We'll get to that scene later, but that's that's fantastic. And I can see Chloe saying it like you framed this like as like low anyway, it's it's so good, it's so fantastic,

and it's another like nail in her coffin too. Yeah, but they go up to the roof. Uh als, we're not allowed to be up here. You're so true, it is. It's got a character tree. But okay, I see if you're saying right, because like it does like, okay, we keep escalating it. It's a bit perhaps it's like a sketch that goes on too long on SNL. Right, it's like, okay, gotta run the chords. Pretty okay, we get it, wrap it up.

That's a great way to put it though, Like it's almost Sitcom Clark here at this point, you know, yeah, because she locks you just lock us up here? That's funny. He's like, did you just lock us up here? Yeah? Okay, it's like literally been rusted through and yeah I didn't think so It's like, all right enough usually annoys me, but I liked the fly reference here. Oh my note is literally, don't give me any guff about this flying line. Didn't it didn't work for you?

I think. See. The thing is at that point you were over it, right, you were. You're like, I'm done with your stick. Okay, But me who has to see it here every week and see these terrible Superman references. Didn't actually mind the thing where he says, can I fly? Is that one of my powers? No? Okay, well I have a deadline, okays a lady to get back downstairs to get back to work. Oh I didn't hear that correctly, Ray, Do you did that line? Hit you bad? It's just I uh, my notes are

calls nine one l I'm a regular green arrow. Boring is extra boring and cliche bad flying joke, like I was annoyed, but also I just lived my life kind of cranky. So I mean, did you at least laugh when she tried to hit him with a pipe. Yes, No, I love that because I would have too, and he just walked right out of the lea. I would have kept swinging. She stopped, and I would have been like listen bit and just smacked him face. I honestly forgot her.

Yeah, I honestly forgot how this win. I was like, is she gonna shena just like push him off the building? But her too? That was lowis and Clark that that happened in a panic in the sky. Yes, yes, I'll shook up. I'll shook up. Yes, I couldn't. Wow, look at that all right, it's an Elvis song. Man, I love Elvis. So anyway, you know who else did? Anyway? We don't no how do they get off the roof? Though? How do the thoughts? But m mmmm, I got you. I guess

it's assumed. I mean, he just broke the door, does not not do it? Well? You gotta get under this the door to handle you know. All right? I thought that was enough to get them off the roof. This is another moment, by the way, too, where I felt like Erica was like in the pocket for Chloe to like just open the door, Clark, you know, like that kind of we don't have time for this. This is so frustrating. Maybe her intern that whose names she

doesn't know, founder up there like you. I was looking over for you. You guys are on the roof, Aul or Harry or whatever the hell he said the name I get, that's our head getting out. Intern was looking for came up on the roof. Soul done. So then we get Green Arrow, breaking to the Luther Corp. Stories that Luther Corp. Doesn't have access to only lacks. We talked about that a little bit, but I had completely forgotten about this whole Green Arrow I didn't remember he was in

this episode, so this is a fun little sequence for him. Of course, not with the bow and arrow, but yeah, yeah, but he pulls out the Book of Destiny. That's what I'm gonna call it. From a from right, it's cool whatever. You can see Green Arrow do some stuff because he really hasn't been doing much of the season. It's nice to see for a season where he's the main character, a main character in the cast, he barely does any hero stuff. So God, is that true?

I guess. So, I mean he was on a cop episode, yeah, as as Green Arrow. Yeah, once Chloe gets him on the right path again. So yeah, well he needed a watch tower to get online, you know, yea, so to speak. So he he takes the book out to like an alley somewhere, and um, did he start this fire in the barrel? Was there already? Was it gonna throw it in? I'm not sure. This kind of confused me too, but I think he like he basically skimmed the book and it's like, there's some dark

stuff in here. I guess I'm gonna burn it for you, and she's like, no, absolutely not. And then we get you know, kinky him and green leather tied up in chains. It's all great. M my notes for here, says h green arrow, and ali Z appears and calls all of her out. She's like because he's like, oh, we've never met before, and she's are you talking about I lost the thing and then you stole the thing? Hi, I don't think blonde chiseled white man.

Yeah. Yeah, And then he explains her magic and then my next note is just magic chains, kinky. Yes, the woman dressed like Stata chains him up. What Yeah, it's all kinky, but but so the dcs sometimes it's fine, great, fair enough. Yeah, and she knows more imagine than she led on. Yes. I like that he decodes the spell later on and figures it out like bind him in chain or in steel or bind it with steeler? How long time to mull that over? I was

waiting to either die or get my identity stolen? Here? Can we can we prop watch for a second. I think this book is really cool looking. Okay, it's it's it's it's not too it's not specific enough that like we have to like remember what it is, you know, Like I'm a big Charmed fan. It's not the book I had like that, we don't spend too much time with it, but like it looks old, it looks properly tattered, it looks I don't know that, it just it's a cool,

proper I really kind of dug it. I agree. I actually was thinking to myself that I make my own books, my zey. I'm sure you can do it. If you need help, let me know. I'd love to help that. That'd be fun to make. Do you have to carry the whole time? That's okay, But it's light. It's not like it's a giant tolls, not the it's not truly the Book of Destiny, which is yeah, it's like a graduated journal. You got this. Yeah, it's len be cut two of the Hospital. Hospital was a plus one

for the shopkeeper. And this is an actor Andrew McLeroy. And I was like, this guy looks super familiar. I'm gonna look him up. So I looked it up and he is an Arrow but I can't find what episode he's in. But I know he's in Arrow because he looks super familiar and I've seen him before. And uh, I guess some actors don't fill out their im to be all the way and this is one of those guys.

He's got his episode of Fringe on here, so we have that. But anyway, he was also in a shout out to the guys who I'm always on the Arrow spotlight on Christmas Hallmark Exclusive facing. I don't know if it's all working out with a title like that. I think it is. That was his last credit Spotlight on Christmas from twenty twenties, So there you go. H But he explains his whole thing. He's the magic guy and uh

um, he explains it's a life for a life, right. So she's trying to bring her dad back, but it's on a cost, soul for a soul, which is which is something this show is not unfamiliar with. Yeah, you know, I like how they played into those. So in order to resurrector Dad, she goes to the Daily Planet. Roof's a reason for this. We have the set. It's tall, and we have this

set. That's all. That's the only reason. And the first half of the day, Tom and Erica, you'll be up here and then U the barn was a really stupid option, so we did this, not the bar, you leave the barnet. She's on top of that monorail you know, not good now you mentioned Ghostbusters earlier, Matt. This is a shot director like out of Ghostbusters of a tall building and like the swirling around it with with Lois and Clark on the street, like looking up yea, looking up

Clark. Sorry, yeah, very very zual comings there there is no yeah, there is no Lois, only Zulz. Chloe has to talk up Clark right in order to be a hero and all this stuff. And I don't know if this contradicts his ending on Chrystland for nurse that I've come to love and accept. But it's like, you know, Clark, you just don't want to be a normal guy. You want to be you want to be reporting those stories and you can be out there saving people. And that's like

that turns her back into Chloe because she's found her purpose through that. That tracks right, And then this turns Clark back into Clark because that Clark, you're the only person who can leap up there in time to stop her and all that stuff, and there literally is no limit for you, Clark. Yeah, this is a good depth talk. Yeah, I was wondering when

would get to this. This doesn't go against crisis for me though, because he hasn't been Superman yet, like that's still something that is innately in him and something he needs to do. I don't think that means he can't evolve after he's been Superman for however long, for a decade or whatever it is. I will accept that answer. Thank you, welcome. I didn't want

it to contradict because I'm happy with that it doesn't. And it really like if he never actually went and did it, that would be the contradiction, you know, like that that would be the you know, thing unfulfilled for him. But he did, like we know canonically, we didn't get to see any of it, but we know canonically he became Superman and did all the wonderful things he's supposed to do for humanity and the multiverse as him. Yes, yeah, I agree, and I and I again this is this

is me being awful. But I liked Pep Talk. I thought it was key. You um, too many corny little moments for me, especially the leap of faith that might have been a step too far. I see it was a leap too far, it was, Yeah, I mean I liked that it was the catalyst that brought Chloe back to being Chloe Um so that she realized she needed to kind of be you know, that superhero support or

but yeah, there's like one too many corny lines for me. But also you know, I'm an asshole and that's how did how did the upway hit you? Right? I mean it's not my favorite listen things that are there are just a couple of things that are like a little too on the nose sometimes and I and I get it. It was a cw w B show. These kinds of lines are going to happen if to remember that this like still kind of a tea and drama you show, so it's going to be

those cliche moments. But yeah, I felt like there's this, like again one too many, a leap of faith or up up in a way? Okay, cheoge one, okay, just one, you get one? And then I get mad. I like the up up in a way. I think like that's that's a good call to actually Superman. I yeah, this

look, this episode was delightful. I quite, I very much enjoyed it and I was just having a good time watching it and the normal stuff that upsets me was not upsetting me, and I did and I felt these were logical references as opposed to the thing that gets me right talking about the CW dialogue is like Clark Kent leaps tall theories in a single bound like shut though no one would say that in a world without Superman. But okay, I have to just say so Pep talk, and then I know it's to say

Clark yeats all the way up too. But then my favorite moment in this whole freaking episode is Clark lands and I think I read at the same time Zatanna goes daddy and I lost it and I'm like, girl, you know that ain't your daddy, and like she kept preferring to him as father, father, father the whole episode daddy, and every fair and girl screamed, I just you think it was an a lib on set. I mean,

listen, I'm willing to give me daddy now. Yeah, you got Tom beefcake there, Now that's that's a good He's did Tom think he was doing? He visioned when he was jumping up By the way he kept squinting, I was like, what are you doing? Eyes as I thought that was the wind that they were blowing at him in his hair too. Okay, Yeah, and the bright light of the Magic. Oh fair enough, you guys gotta good good, you're doing better. Yeah, this episode is eric

tight. I can find no flaws. But you know, he goes up there and it is it is kind of creepy because you see like this like shape of a person's coming through this. John's Natara man. Yeah, he's coming from the afterlife, right first live action. It's so they lead into and I was waiting for this, uh, and they paid off when they lead into Clark's character history of losing his dad, because Latara is like, what would you do of the person you love and respected the most was taken

away from me? He's like, I did, I lost my dad. I didn't think I could continue, but I had to let him go, and you have to let him go. And I was like, there we go, like this is some good Superman stuff here, and just that whole thing of like I love Chloe comes up. I almost said Lois. Chloe comes in and gets like kind of captured by the magic essentially, and it's

gonna take her life in order to exchange it. Ay, it's very sweet that the Sitana's whole plan was like I'll give my life to get him back seemingly like she It's an interesting reversal too, because I don't want to have to do this, but I'm gonna have to. Sorry, and I've already got I've already got Green Arrow tied up somewhere, and like, very easily it could have been that, but like it's it's more selfless. She's not a villain. She just wants to save her father because he seemingly gave his

life for her. It's lovely. And then Clark bringing up the like, this is not how this works, Like you don't get to choose. The universe will choose, and that sucks. Like that that is such a cool It's such a bizarre, stupid sci fi DC comics thing. But it's nice that he gets to like kind of impart this lesson, that this gets to come back and be a teaching moment for her and be a hero moment for him. That's really cool to me. Yeah, yeah, I love that

ending moment. I mean, in my notes again, because I'm snarky, I just said Clark and z swapped daddy issues, but it definitely goes deeper

than that. And I think that, you know, for Clark, some of the other characters they have some complicated stuff without their fathers and everything, but I don't think Clark ever had and you guys are correct me if I'm wrong, But like somebody who had a good relationship with their father that also lost their father, I feel like he finally found somebody that he could kind of like impart what that feels like two, but also the kind of have

that understanding. There's a lot of empathy kind of shared between them because he's like, no, I actually know exactly how you feel, and it sucks. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it was really it was a really cool momentum, and it was again overly cliche dialogue about it. He's speaking from the guilt of it too, because like you know, like in many ways he caused the heart attack, you know, like they that's

that's where this comes from me And however you want to interpret that. He very much blames himself, like it's just it's nice to see him do the Superman thing and be like, this is not what you want. Let my mistake save you from doing the same thing right. And the magic looks a little stupid, but it's fine. Once Choide gets gets start being stuck into the vortex. I'm like, oh, oh, I could think of it is like, there's no vortex there. Allison's just like cleaning. It looks

so good. After that point, they were doing good. They were doing good. It's fine. They don't show it. They smartly don't like feature it too much. It's yeah, and she and she makes the right choice, right, she didn't. It's not some like you know, they couldn't, like you said, they could have easily made her like the villain of the week and then still kind of clean it up later. But no, like, she makes the right choice. She doesn't have to be like forced

to do it. She does the right thing. So she's more villainous than the next one if I remember correctly. But she's more than mischievous, I say, the next one for sure. Yeah. Portal closes all as well, and then we cut to the same shot of Chloe getting up in the morning from her bed and it's her feet and they fit into her slip version. She goes to the mirror and she's herself and probably have a first time in her life. Chloe Sullivan is happy with her life and who she's in

the mirror. I don't that's not even a joke serious unfortunately, yeah right, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Oh man, But Clark is there with a peace offering for missing her on her birthday party, and uh, that's funny. I think Clark is great this episode to all these great this episode. I just really love what he's been down on, all these different all these different vibes and no amnesia by the way, say hey, do you remember all that? Like, yeah, I do, so weird

day and they he makes a Dragnet reference. He calls himself the just the facts man version of himself and that's a that's a dragnet reference. Is that is? Yeah? Yeh drags in the movie. So ghost Poster's connection on him Park Kansas, super cool, dude. He watched Dick at Knight when he was a kid with his parents. Fine, sure right, Johnathan watched Dragnet. I believe it. Anyway, they got some lines about responsibility and empty and purpose, and I thought this is a good unpacking of like,

yeah, this is what I need to be doing. So I like this seem between him quid. I like it too. I also like the kind of relationship stuff that they say about it too, where they kind of both turn each other's points against them of like, I guess neither of us should be living in the past and figure out how we truly feel and move forward with that. And it's again, it's just one of those little little seedlings basically of like you like Louis, don't you, you know, like come

to Lois Lane is a part of your life now? Yeah, yeah, I like that Chloe is dancing around the fact that she really wants Lois to know. Um you should tell her, remember you should? I mean, you know, it's like tell her, but you should like tell her, you know, yeah, yeah, very much because our lives will be a

lot easier. Please just dollars because I can't. Um no, but there's a good there's some good life lessons here about the whole you know, like, uh, if you you got to focus on where you want to be and not what could have been and looking forward. I'm like, okay, this is this is this is kind of stuff I wanted them to discuss when Loto was here, and they could have moved past her that way instead of like, ah, she's physical kryptonite. Now that's why that's how I moved

on. So the key is you got to make your dad wear kryptonite skins, dude, and then you can move on and then you can get over it. Yeah, yeah, that's the only way out have. However, Clark will be like, hey, it's a ton I got this ex girlfriend who's poisoning me. Now can be fixed. Wow, thank god, that wasn't the wish think about it. That was like three episodes ago. That's fresh his mind. So anyway, I'll find a way for us to be again. No matter what, It's all right. I guess who's on his

mind though, Yeah, Lois Lane. It's still weird because like Koe and Lois her cousins and she's like Clark and all of a sudden required to love. It's still weird. But that's how we knew that Silver Van Shee episode to clean all this stuff up. But see it, just seeing them chilling out talking in her living room like this is that like good human interactions, which I think are not frequent enough on this show, and so this episode

has a good number of them. Unless pretend that talent scene is in here too. We'll pretend that Coy went downstairs and got us somewhere from Lois and yeah, I was following your footsteps you know I'm the woman I am to day because of you. I'm like, all right that that the latest scene is now count Yeah and uh then cut to Oliver and uh Zatana has come to to to say she's sorry, and Oliver, as we talked about he deduced that bound by Steel Backwards is what she said. That's pretty cool and

it's a it's a good rap up him. It is very Batan, I guess deducing that. What the hell? I just like him in the alley, going like what did she say? You know Batman would have gotten out of those chains too, because he's a famous because he trained with John Zatana. Yes, now we all saw an arrow. Oliver knows how to break his thumbs or whatever. He gets fine, don't worry about it. Yeah.

My favorite moment in this exchange between Oliver and Zatana at the end here is when she says that she just wants us to happen again, and he just goes, hey, here's the thought, don't do it again. Oliver was great in this episode. I was really gonna brand very entertaining. This is a great Oliver. I Also, it's just like there's the cute thing with the card of like what am I supposed to do with? Because she hands it to him as like a playing card, Yeah, to do this

like some magic spell or whatever. He's like, no, it's your phone number and flips if he flips it over, it's not card he thought it was. It was like, oh, it's a good version of the Doctor Strange, like, no, that's the Wi Fi password, you know, like yeah, yeah, Like it was cute. Wi Fi password is Alfred. Yeah, and then you know, she teases there's some other dangerous magicians and things out there and if you know, call me if you need help.

And we get to season eleven, we'll see Constantine. Yeah, there it is, and uh, it's funny. On IMDb it says that Satanas in three episodes and I was like, wait, she just sent them that bottle of wine. Are they talking about when she gets knocked out, when

her body double gets knocked out? We're talking about when she gets knocked doubt in uh chorus at the at the funeral for Hawkman, I was like, come on, y'all, that's not that's not an episode of Zatana because it has it has you know, Syrenda Swan's IMDb and it has small Vol Three episodes and I was like, did I something? And I was like, no way, I didn't miss this, but yes, it's uh is she ever on a video? It says no, no, she's not, but

it says uncredited. But that's a body double. I can't really be her. No way they got her back for that. I don't know. Yeah, so there you go. By the way. Last word on Surrenda Swan. She is currently in a show called Coroner. It would look pretty good, um thirty eight episodes. She looks like she's the main character of that. And she's also in Reacher with Alan Richarson, Aquaman and really Christian So I look at you. I gotta watch Reacher. Looked like a good show.

I remember Vancouver or something. What is the un It's very much possible with both of them in there because of the te shot of Vancouver as well. It's probably watching. But I saw the first shrailer for Reacher and I was like, hey, guy looks really familiar, and oh my god, it's Socco man. He's like he was always a big hug. He's he He's a mountain of hi man giant. Anyway, been among him in person. I haven't met him, met him but he's been at conventions I've been

at and he's a big dude. Yeah, the large many Yeah, when they recast Captain Marvel, I think he's a good choice. So just saying I've seen a lot of fans online saying that to him, Like, yeah, I actually would he's got that anyway, child, Yeah that's interesting. Patrick Warburton stool now so oh but his like take era him would become so gay. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway, let's get to the best scene in Yeah, I'm glad certain just want at least comes back for one episode after

this, so good. Get on. What do we got now, Matt, we got finally, lowest g d Lane is back here at the Daily Planet. This is the cutest in the world. She is. She's perfect in this scene and playing the like again this is what made me go, like I want to know what this interaction was between her and Chloe of like, how did she learn all this? Like she is up to speed and fine with it and just wants to mess with him, not like that's a crazy thing. So magic's real. No, just like, so you framed

it. Huh yeah, let me see it. Let me is it. It's it's really cute. But it's still it's that it's that well they won't they thing of like let's just let's table this and and she doesn't really mean like table this whole like maybe we like each other thing, she doesn't really mean it. He agrees, and then she's a little hurt, but like, let's add it to the rules. I don't know, like it's all this is the type of stuff I watched c W shows for it, Like

this is awesome to me. And she is like she's just like unbelieved. Can't take your eyes off her. In the scene. I love Erica Durants here. I love that she was like calling him out for being sentimental and his like very very weak defans of who's for my first day? It's like, yeah, okay, if any would have given that to you wouldn't have a frame to Clark when we both know it, Yeah, my first day of sitting across from you, you know, right, That's that's the thing.

Well, even that, like it hit her message with a cheer squeaking and call back to the premiere where he was sitting in the cheers squeaking. I'm like, oh, like these guys, it's like poet reed rhymes and uh, it's just it's very cute like that. They should sell though. I would buy that, like the Lost Lanes Rules of Journalism, and I think we should hang these up. It's so good. That should be a thing. I want to see that in the comics somewhere. I want to

see that incorporated. That would be so cool. Yeah, in Superman Legacy, I want to see Lois give Clark some rules so anyway handwritten. Yeah, but yeah, they're gonna the romance is uh is gonna be against the rules now nowhere plays romance for now. It reminded me, honestly of Lewis and Clark when there's so many times of like, you know what, let's just not talk about the dating word or not, you know, like we

have to deal with this. It's great. Yeah, and that's a great in the episode is over there now there's one more scene and they should um. This episode was about Chloe, so I guess it's appropriate that she's the last scene. But Ray, what do you think of this last scene in isis where Oliver gives her her earpiece and she's officially part of this. I liked it. I thought it was necessary, it was kind of it. I mean it wrapped up her storyline of like, Okay, I am Chloe

Sullivant and I am happy about it. And she's like, I lived out what I thought was my fantasy and I wasn't happy. I feel like it was as a fun ending for the episode. I like it. Yeah, Oliver just say He's like, hey, you guys that got magic seemed to get some clarity. Wish I would have gotten some of that. And I guess that confirms that he didn't like lex is not coming back. I guess

he didn't get his wish. Yeah, um, this is so funny, but that that was a thing, or yes, that's I would have been the same if I read that as a kid, I'd be like, oh, maybe that's gonna happen. Kid. I was in college at this point, but you know what I mean, whatever, whatever they could do working

back in they had to do. So. So yeah, we get our pictures of publicity photo pictures of all the Justice League members they previously mentioned, Owledger sitting up there and among others, Marsha Man Hunter not a not a member, I guess yet, or I guess he doesn't have powers I forgot, Yeah he doesn't. He doesn't have powers right now, right until Doctor

Fate brings him back as jackets All Connected Sam Green for two seconds. Yeah there, he is actually not even the first live action marsh Man Hunters the guy from the Justice League from mash Yeah, Watchtower Online, so this is overwatched Watchtower Oracle, right, Zach, how do you feel about the watch

watch Tower evolution of Chloe? The Oracle of of Chloe? That's fine, I guess, okay, I mean it's They clearly need to give her something to do other than run Isis, so she's more qualified for this because all her like computer hacking and superhero sidekicking over the years. I just, honestly, I just would have preferred Chloe and Lois work at the Daily Planet, and I think two women can work at a newspaper. But I'm a progressive guy. What can I say? So I have only there's only room for

one two women? Can two characters, three or four characters on the same show. That seems that I don't know, wait wait wait, think Race is a good ending for for Chloe because this is pretty much the role she plays the rest of her time on the show. I like it, and I think the reason I like it so much is because she was she figured out. I mean I like figured out, like you know those she found

out Clark's secret. She was shown Clark's secret. Yes there's the Alicia factor, but she kept it a secret and she was really like hoping him, praying that he would kind of like bring it to her. And so I think that the way she has been so trustworthy and always kind of like sidekicky, not like necessarily so I wouldn't even call her a sidekick honestly, because like she's been so smart and helpful, Clark was her more her sidekick, and yeah, like he was just she was the brain, he was the

bron right, So I think it makes sense for her. It felt like a natural progression for her because especially after she accepted, you know, that her life wasn't going to be what she thought it was. To me, this is like it's not gonna be just thought it was going to be better. Um, you're gonna be involved in something huge. And again I think that her character the whole time is being set up as the brains of the operation, so she should be in charge of all the people doing all the

things. No, that's a that's a good way to look at it like that's a good life lesson, Like you know what life is not what you've always thought it was gonna be. Yeah, but it might You're not better m hm. It's it was she call sign Watchtower Injustice. Oh I don't think so, right. I don't know she had a headset. She had a headset, but I don't think she had a call. I look at

us, we're such bad fans. Three people are yelling at the from Justice through what she must have had a good name, right, Justice, everybody else had a good name. I'll look it up. Okay, but um, let us know the comments. I thought this is awesome and like like you were saying Ray, like she's the brains, he's the bron that's that's oracle, Like that's Birds of Gray Oracle. And they were never gonna,

you know, be regarding or whatever on this show. But like from what they were doing here and the way that the role she played in his life for so many years in this show, I thought this was an awesome pivot for the writers of like okay, newly for her, let's go, and it served them well for years after Like this this, I forgot that this was the episode where we kind of established that. But that was really cool.

Yeah, I think this is finally when I was like, oh, I guess they're not going to go Chloe at the end of this show, because I still thought they were gonna kill her, but they had always hinted this dark, terrible faith for her either death or insanity or meteor power jail or something, right, Um, and yeah, but of course that's the weirdest thing. There's this very like Chloe centric Chloe's found sure she is,

she's found her place in the world, and she's happy now. Episode right after they just started the whole like her and Jimmy had still break up, and the rest of the season she's gonna be with Davis and it's gonna be like ah, so um, it's weird that it's it's here. Um, but you guys, yeah, you guys really sold me on the love and the love and the Watchdower thing. I don't like you guys, don't like. I always kind of wanted to be low us for a long so many

years and then I was like, what did you do? And they were just kind of like trying to figure out some to do with her. But you know what, She's how do you argue it really? Did you know? It did? Kind of address it head on, like I gotta give him credit for like here it is, so there you go? That is X. The Superman legend begins in a place called small Ville. Ever feel

like your life was supposed to be something different than Secrets. I don't want any record that I was here, loyal t. I never bet against Clark Kenned. What do you want the world? Missus Kent? Destiny? Maybe it's the time I stopped running from who I really am? Clark Kent? Will you marry me? No? You can own every action packed episode, Doomsday cover plus never before seen Boneless features small Ville old season eight on Blu ray and DVD. Hex got an eight point three at ten, and Neil

Bailey from the Superman home page gave it a one five. Neil is he's not liking the show right now. I thought it's a ton I would count for something. I was kind of shocked. I know he's been really low, but I was like, surely he liked this one. But nope, one out of five from Neil. But on the letter grade scale, Ray, We'll start with you, what would you give this episode? Mm? Hmm, I don't know. I'm really biased. I love the Tanne so much. Um yeah, I'm looking to say a minus simply because I wish

they would have had some of those deleted scenes. It would have been a solid A for me because it's tied up some stuff. Had they had a couple of those deleted scenes, then fair odd episode. I love Satanna even then a nerve for powers. I understand why they did some of the other like special effects and dialogue things aside um. I loved it, but again, horrifically biased because I loved it. Yeah, great, what about you,

Matt, I just think the same thing A minus everything. Um you said, right, and be just like the whole thing was super entertaining. There's not much more you could ask from an episode of Smallville until we get into like the the really just like a A plus material, you know, but like this was great. We're gonna give it a soliday. I love this episode. I was not that not that I was like I thought it was gonna be bad, but I was like, this was delightful. I

enjoyed this entire thing. The last couple episodes here around, you know, especially we're in the era of the show where it's it's not gonna be good anymore. This is it. This is the last good episode of the season. I guess we'll find out, but this was just delightful and they all when they ever real they bring in a combat character, they really do an

excellent job. And I was just so happy with this episode. Those of lead to scenes should have been here, as you said, but I'm gonna go with the A solid A from me, So there have it, A micuses for raid Matt and an A for me. Tally Board plus one from these account brings us to sixty five because Clark forgot he was Kalil there for a while. Hospital visit plus one for the shop owner. That brings us

to one hundred and twenty seven. And that's all I had. So sure tally board this week, you you weren't yourself doesn't count because you know letter of the law. I guess he I uh like first appearances of combat characters, but I guess that's from yeah, yeah, that was the Patreon stuff.

Yeah so yeah, So that's so that's it. No more airplane Oliver has a office now and he didn't take a shirt off, so I mean, like, you know, it's all these potential well that would have been the step forward one step back, you know, but we need no shirt and the chance for Oliver next time. So yeah, exactly or a drag by the time we get to the end of the ton Oh I just remember that she gets so powerful her gift baskets give us whole episodes, you know,

very good Bechtel test bass. Because Chloe talks to Lois on the phone about each other. Wow, that's a thin pass. But yeah sure, letter of the Law of my Friend. Yep, that's fine. So and that's why this episode gets an A. So there you go, guys. That is hex Ray. Thanks so much for joining us again. Thank you. If people want to find you other on Instagram, maybe see you as a ton of where can they go? I'm at Darth Ray Underscore cause fit so Darth as Invader ray r E Underscore c O S F T S very

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