Episode 164 - 8x12 Bulletproof

Hi. My name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Ken on Smallville and you are listening to Always Hold On to Smallville. Welcome to Always hold a Smallville. On this podcast, we talk about each and every episode of the Young Superman show that round from two thousand and one to two thousand and eleven on the WB and the c W Armor Hosack Moore and I'm joined this week by from Always hold On to Star Wars. Chris hughs what's up, Chris? Hello there, Ah, star Wars? When did that become a thing?

Because obviously, obviously Obi one says that it's first line in a New Hope, right, he pulls back the hood, he's like, I know that, And then Ian McGregor does it in episode three when he jumps down the general grievous and that was a callback. But I feel like at some point over the last because when that was not a thing, whenever the three came out, it was like, oh, that's a fun thing. But

over the last few years the internet has made it like his thing. But did he say on the Clone Wars a lot or something or yeah, now I'm sure it's I'm sure it's a whole huge thing. Because of meme culture. Yeah, and Jeff's I couldn't tell you when, but I'm I'm enjoying it. Oh, I love it. I that's my what. I have nothing else to say. I say, hello there, I need I needed something to be my thing when we introduced on the shows. Now, so

it's right, all right, well we are talking about Bulletproof. I am not going to sing the song though you care enough, that's all right, Bulletproof. This episode, man, I had not much memory of it. I remember that Dan Turpin was in it. I remember that Dan Turpin was well, the actor was in Small Ofville before as a different character several years before. And I remember Clark Go's undercover as a cop. And I remember

Marshama Hunter getting shot and Doctor Hamilton the second Doctor Hampton's showing up. And that was really the extent of my memory. And boy, oh boy, there's there are some things in this episode that either they date extremely poorly or they are extremely relevant, and I'm not sure where they fall on that spectrum. But man, rewatching this, I had to like whoa like? You probably saw the tweet I made back when I was watching it. What did

you experience a similar feeling? Rewatching this episode definitely since seeing your your tweet. But from I try to these shows are an escape for me, so when they when they correlate to the real world, I try to take myself out of it a little bit. But you know, we can only do that so much, especially with how relevant some of these things have come in

Smallville based on certain characters and their real life exposure. But uh, you know, I try to take things for what they are in the show, and clearly they can mean a lot of other different things, but for what it was for this episode, I enjoyed it. Yeah, you know, art is what you bring to it obviously, so it's you know, it's it's the roy shock test of your experiences and what's going on with you.

I just like to me, and this is what I said that in that tweet a while back as it is recording, because because I tweeted that, like the night I watched this episode, I was like, you know, subterranean and this so far like the two most like we're gonna try and talk about important and I'm like, maybe you shouldn't have in that way, Like I think I think the idea of this episode is solid, right, It's like Clark's undercover as a cop, and and and and there's just you know,

obviously their story potential there. I just just just some of the some of the things that they like, the lines that they say, in the way they say. I'm like, oh, but but well, we'll talk about that as we go anyway. No, this is an escape, right, and that's what this is all about. We're here to have fun. We have a good time. Um. But sometimes you just can't ignore it when it's so blatantly interfacing, because you know, they're not all bad Chris.

For me, it was more the memory of the episode for what it was when I saw the first time, is Superman learning from real life people who sacrifice himself, who aren't bulletproof like him, and the difference that they can make and the sacrifices that they can make compared to the sacrifices he's making. So learning about protecting the people around you, You're brothers, as they say frequently in this episode, having a family to go home to, and

wondering like how do you how do you do it to them? And I think that was a lesson that Smallville Clark really had to learn and tried to apply to Lana. But yeah, that's the conclusion that they kept. No,

I didn't remember. I do remember the end of the decisions he makes, and I was like, oh, it's because we're in We're in the second half of the season eight now, Chris, and this whole first half I've been like, well, you know, the first half of the season eight, the first the first first half season, they're pretty good, and you know, we're in this stretch of there's no Lois, there's no Jimmy, there's one Davis. That's like a big percentage of your regular cast members.

And it's like, I don't know, it's the rules they put on Smallville, right, like you can only have er gard rants for xcellent episodes or even Aaron Ashmore, right, same deal, because these were these are quote unquote that's a new buzz word, right, legacy characters, right, Star wars as, you know, that's the buzzword over. I think that's where I first heard that term, and people, well, you know how

Disney handle's legacy characters like leg as we talking about legs and character. But I think we all understand what the meaning is and it's like the the and we continue to see it no matter regimes come and go and want her brothers. But this strange approach to like you can use these characters here but not there, and only so much here and then and you know all that stuff.

It's strange and so run this. We had such a great run of Lois and Clark and their vibe and like the like setting up like what we've all been working towards, you know, for them on this show. They had won me over finally with Lois because they let her be Lois, as I've said many times. And then she's gone. I guess who's back as Lana And that's another huge factor of this episode. And this is like I didn't look Bride and even Legion. I was like, Okay, Lana's back.

We needed to bring her back, like we needed to address her a dear John video was not going to cut it to write her off the show, right, because she was the depending on you know where people's fandom lies, the second or third most imp character on the show. I would put him third after Lex. Yes, I agree, but you can't just do

that. And you know she came back and Christian creaking back and they addressed in this way, and I was I was cool with it up till about now, and we'll then we'll hash some of that out as we go, because I think what's funny is Clark he has the right idea, but but he keeps like he knows he knows better, right, but unfortunately he chooses to learn the wrong lessons. It kind of falls back right and this is

where we start doing her. You know, you went five steps forward with season eight, but I've gone ten steps back to the point there's even a lining here. We're like, oh, you look like you're feel like we're fourteen again. I'm like, no, it's not what we want, Clark, That's not what we want this season. So because you were, you were digging season eight up to this point, I assume, Yeah, No,

I was, and I still am. I'm gonna say it. The thing about Lana for me is I'm my fandom is I like, I like what they did in the in the eighties reboot with John Byrne, where like they were high school sweethearts. He had to go away and do his things. She understood, she knew the secret and was support for him, but

they were never It was never romantic after that again. And small Belle she was the love of his life early on, that's fine, but now she's been gone for what they does she say in the episode like seven months or something like that, something like that. Yeah, I'm okay with her coming back, and I actually enjoyed it because we can get these closure pieces that Clark wants. I just wish it didn't turn into romantic because even in this

episode that calls out Clark and Lois are heading in that direction. You know that that's well we know, as Superman fans should be endgame. But back in the day, maybe Smallville was gonna do something different. But for me, I was happy with her. I like her character in this episode other than what it means in relationship to Clark. Fair to wish, I wish she was just like a friend, just pass well, like like they have

Lana and Clark on Supermanilois. Yes, yes, absolutely, Yeah, so an unfair comparison because that's like, you know, it's twenty years later, they figured it out on the CW. But yeah, so so there's there's a lot going on here, right, There's a lot going on here, and let's get into it. Bulletproof. I sacrifice everything I love for the greater good. But if the rest of the world didn't have to come first. We're talking about killing man. Life is so impressions. To be able

to protect that is an amazing gift. Both of us are driven to do this, even if we can't do it together. Smallville All new episode next Thursday, eight seventh Central on the CW Bulletproof. It's the twelfth episode of Smallville's eighth season and aired on January twenty second, two thousand and nine. Was written by Brian Q Miller and directed by Morgan Beggs. Bryan hum Miller

this is his second writing credit on the show. He had written Committed earlier this season, and he goes on to be a prolific writer for the rest of the series and goes on to write the Smallville comic book, which which

you're pointing at. You're collected smallvel comics behind you, Yes, your show and Bryan hum Miller, you know, he's a combook writer as well, So like he was like this perfect like in between the foot in one world, one foot and the other, which the show hadn't had for a while, like they had Jeff Loebe in the earlier seasons, they had Jeff John's coming, you know, once a season and ride an episode and in this

last phase of the show. But but someone who had a solid foot on each side of things like the TV Smallville side and the comic book side, and I think that helps. You can definitely see that in this episode when you have deep Superman lower characters like Dan Turpin and Emil Hamilton and then hints at the future Justice League in their conversations together with John Jones and Oliver Yeah, you know, let's let's talk about Dan Turpin real quick now in Smallville

the official magazine number thirty two, available wherever books are sold. There's an interview with David pat Caw, who played Dan Turpin in this episode, and we'll talk a little bit more about him when his character appears in the episode. But I had an inserting fact to wait here. I did not know when Dan Turpin first appeared in the combooks. He appeared in Detective Comics number forty two in nineteen forty two. Is that when he was named Brooklyn?

Yes, yes, yes, Danny Turpin originally introduced as Brooklyn and then he came back as Daniel Turpin in New God's number five in nineteen seventy one. And that's the that's the version that we know from Superman the Animated series, for example, that's probably his most iconic iteration, Terrible Turpin. Yea, and yeah, that's a whole what a what an arc he had on that

show. Right. I can't wait to see Dan Turpin and small will come back when they have dark Side in season ten, right, Chris, because clearly he'll come back right, well, looking at it as we watched it, when the show happened the show, this episode creates a nice introduction. They have a relationship. At the end of the episode. You could first see maybe down the line when Clark is Superman and he has his relationship with

the Metropolis PD that he's got somebody knows he can trust. Right But but but not the next two years though, No, No, Maggie Sawyer either because because they to me, I would introduced through these characters through Superman the Animated series. So to me, it was like Dan Turpin, Maggie Say. And when Maggie Sawyer showed up on Smallville, it was like, oh

cool, that is an excellent reference. And then she was in sprinkled in you know, throughout seasons two through seven, and ironically you get to season eight, whether're in Metropolis and she's not on the show anymore. It's just the timing of things on small them. Right. You have the right idea, but it just didn't quite a line, right, you know what I mean? Yeah? Mentally from the comics, I associate them together too. I think some of the storylines that they have are great comic runs. All

right. And during the ratings, watch here in season eight, Chris for a little context. The previous episode, Legion got four point two nine million viewers. In the season premiere, Odyssey got four point three four million viewers. So one week later, Bulletproof, what do you think the ratings were for this episode? Following up an episode like the Legion. I would think it maybe went up a little bit. I'm gonna say four point three one. You would think, so, all right, that would make sense,

wouldn't it, wouldn't it? Yeah, But that wouldn't be the case. Three point eight five. Wow. I guess people specifically tuned in for the Legion and they were like, okay, cool, and then tune back out the next week because that that's you know, that's a drop. That's a drop. That's that's that's a drop. So three point eight five million, and there was no break or anything was the next week so interesting. Maybe they just maybe that whole cop story you didn't appeal to people who are here

for all their superhero action. But there you have. It's a three point eighty five million viewers for this episode. So we get our previously on Smallville? Which which did you watch these? When you watch these episodes? So the DVDs have the option, the Blue Races include it, the Hulu includes it, So did you watch these previously ons when you watch the show? I do because I like to see when they point out things that happened in you know, like maybe three four seasons ago, so then you know this

is coming up. Well, I really like this one because it's narrated by by Phil Morris. Begin he's like previously on small but it's like, oh it's Filmris, right, and it establishes how he gave up his powers to restore Clark's powers and kind of what's going on there and how he's a detective now. And so so you're you're watching, you're like, this is going

to to be a Martian man Hunter episode. I can't wait. Like, but it's he he's you know, he's he bookends the episode, but it is like, oh, man, and this kind of should not not that this was ever discussed, Like, I don't know if it was ever discussed, because I know for a fact the Flash, Supergirl, and Alkaman were all discussed in various forms, not not even necessarily, you know, as

Alkaman proved, not even necessarily the iterations from small vel. But it was all like, oh, well, these are characters have potential that we can maybe spin off. I don't know if that was ever discussed about Martian Man Hunter. But and I don't think the CW in two thousand and eight or nine was like the best place to have a Phil Morris led Detective John Jones show, right, But I would have wrote a law in Order Metropolis with with Phil Morris, right, Phil Morris and Danny Turpin. This is your

backdoor pilot there you go. This is your cops that you break in, Maggie Slawy. You're like, it's all right there for you. It's just you look at it now, like and what we've seen happened in the arrow verse. You're like, you would you would circle this like, oh, this is where they spun off the thing and and it's you know, it's fine. They weren't thinking that way. That doesn't make it bad or anything.

It's just like I really loved Marsha man Hunter, and during my rewatch of this show, I've discovered that he was a much smaller part than I ever I ever thought, because he's there for some major stuff, but he pops in and out. Yeah. I don't think this is the first episode of his where he's been a main character, but not in most of the episode either. It's even pray earlier this season, right, I mean he

was in Odyssey, so we're you know, we're twelve episodes in. He's been in three, right, He's been in the fourth of the episode so far. So I'm like, this is his best ratio yet. But even yeah, and honestly, he shows up the very end and Pray, he kind of shows up to kind of like meet Clark at the crime scene. He's got a couple of scenes, then he's like gone until the very end. But I just I love Phil Morris. I love him from some Seinfelds.

When I first saw him in this Jackie Childs, the Johnny Cochran parody character. It's just so good, right, and you know, he's a characracker. He's been a star trek as well. Uh so he's he's he's a good actor, like he's legit. And this guy could have anchored a show, I think, and I can put it again, I don't. I don't think the CW in two thousand and nine would have been the place for that kind of show. So that rule is really no place for it,

you know what I mean. Could have someday maybe, but we uh, we cut our first action scene and Detective Jones he's he's in his car and a in a chase with a with a perp and we see his little uh Rivery marrs in a little Martian huh, a little green alien. That was I like that. People might hear him what I talk about on the show him and be like Zach probably hated that. No, I actually thought that was charming stuff like that. It was cute. It was cute.

Right. So we get this police chase and it's it's it's pretty cool. I mean, they're they're shoot everything real tight, and I you know, I you relate, don't really need the scope, but it's sure, it's the streets in Metropolis. It's the backstreets of Metropolis. Sure, but this guy gets out of his car, he's running to the streets and John Jones slams him up against the fans and then on the ground, he says,

you're on the arrest for three counts of murder. Like this guy's serious, let's say no like shoplifting, right, this guy's a serious, serious criminal. Yeah, and John's taking him on by himself, which kind of goes to the whole lone Wolf discussion they have later about him. But detective taken

him three time killer down by himself. What was really weird to me, Chris, I don't know if you noticed this, but like you know, after he arrests the guy, there's just there's just random like three establishing shots of Metropolis like stock footage, and then we cut back and it's like the rest of the cops are there. I'm like, why was that needed? Like I didn't passage of time, But all you had to do was I think we'd understand, you know, yeah, with the cops the other cops

show. It was just very Someone was watching this and probably felt, you know, what we need to when you show some time right, like you said, you want to jump right into the action sequence, So you're not going to do the establishing chats before that. I gotta throw them in somewhere. I guess that must be what it is, right, Um, but the uh suspaccino, he's been put in the in the back of a cop car and and they seem to have this real weird attitude, Like these cops

have a real weird attitude towards John Jones. Don't think Chris foreshadowing. So you're like, Okay, what what's going on here? I'm sure this will pay off, And it immediately does because marshat Manner he gets shot like immediately after this, like straight to the heart. Yeah, like they were shooting to kill. And uh, there's a there's a reveal you can pull back, and it's the reveal of the guy with a rifle and then a Metropolis

PD badge and that Superman shield. See that's that's the thing, right, Like you're being too cute Smallville, Like he didn't Metropolis speed. He didn't even have a Superman you know, it's it's a common shape. No, No, the octagon, this is a common shape. They're all common you know. I laugh about the octagon being a common shape. Just side, don't um. My kid when he was like two or three, knew what

an octagon was and it shocked me. And then come to find out it was from like Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. But the first time he said octagon, and I'm like, how do you know what an octagon is? My first thought in my head is small, but it's a common shape, all that small. But you're watching when he was a kid, just osmosis into his

brain. It's my own fault. But you think, you know, you're you're watching this and you're like, oh, you see John Jones and leading on the street, all right, and then you see the reveal of the Metropolis Pedi badge. You're like, oh, we're gonna do some modest set. You're waiting, But no, I thought so it's so interesting to rewatch these episodes. They don't remember that well and like anticipate that and then they're like, whoa, we're not We're still going. It just seems like such

an obvious place, But no, that's not what we do. We cut from there to the hospital, so we got a hospital visit plus one and I'll take I'll take a screenshot of these of these files that Clark and Launa are talking about. But she's there to bring him coffee after work, and he's like, after work, he's lost all track of time. Right, but this is what did you think of this? Uh? This meet up at the hospital between them goes to show he's even Lana can't break his uh

focus on work right now. I guess Uh. In the past, Lana would have been everything. Now he's got something. It's a little more important that she's gonna move back into the to its focus again soon, but right now work is important. Well, Martia Manhunter even said it in his previous episode I'm Pretty He's like, you're obsessed. You need to find a better balance here, and that's true. But Clark, I can hate this Clark as a guy of extremes, so he's like, eiy're all doing this or

he's all focused on alta. There's no one between for this guy. We'll get there at the end. But he says he's been sacrificing everything for the greater good up into this point. Everything a lot is a fan of the new look for Clark. Yeah, I was about to go there, you must be turning heads left and right. Well he didn't notice. Yeah, it's like a lot. You can't be saying that, like to your meeting

up with your axe. So you were in love with and you had a horrible set of circumstances to lead to you being ripped apart from each other, and you're gonna come back in here with this kind of dialogue. M You wonder what her motivations are right now, Well, we know what her motivations are. She wants to she wants to be him and uh, take LEAs down and that's priority number one. But she's kind of she's kind of getting pulled back into it. She's staying longer than she planned on, she's having

coffee meetups, so clearly she's a little bit conflicted herself. Well, she's sticking around to it to maybe see what happened to do the creature that took Chloe, because even though there's no Doomsday or day was boom for a while, a lot is going to remind us of that plot line and Clark does miss Yeah, that's that must be right. But he mentioned the night Watchman and two Amuless ambulance drivers. Uh, we're murdered the night of Chloe and

Jimmie's wedding, So that that you know, we saw that happen. Unfortunately we didn't know about the two ambulance drivers, Like damn Davis. He was on quite quieter. I guess there was the two bodies in those trash bags that he took to the dumpster. But a lot of was like, I should probably leave you to it, and uh, next rounds on Clark and then it says this is a little contrived because Clark is just in the lobby of the hospital as they happened to be wheeling in John Jones, what do

you think of this? Yeah, you're getting you're getting corner. Well maybe because it was hot. It was an ambulance driver he was looking at records. Sure, contrived for sure, but not the worst that some moth has ever done. Well, it just to me was talking about the structure of the episode, like, if I were to re edit this episode, I would have cut the opening credits with the reveal of the badge, right because like we there's no new stakes. The only new stakes now are like,

oh, now Clark knows about it. So we cut the opening credits. We come back and we're the same location. Clark's like still in the same spot looking through the window. You know, it's like, dude, I don't I don't know why they structured it that way, you know what I mean. Yeah, they wanted they wanted an early Clark and Lana scene and

they had to find a way to give it to you. Well, but it would have been fine, like after the opening credits, I think, true, you know what I mean, like that, that's my deal. But but we say, hey, we got our first appearance of doctor Emil Hamilton Chris, the second doctor Hamilton's on the show. Does he have any lines in this episode? I can't remember. He does have a smattering of why throughout this episode, but it's not it's not like a strong character introduction

here for him. He's just kind of in the background. And Wendy cast got like Alessandro Giuliani, who is in bast You ever watch BSG, Chris? I have not. Oh, it's so good, it's not my list to go back. He is one of the many, many, many Baustar Galactica alumni. He were on smallvill He played at mister Gata for several years

on the show before this. Yeah, and so it was funny like, oh, it's Gaeta's on He's on Smallville, and of course he's the second Doctor Hamlim because we had Doctor Stephen Hamilton in the first couple of seasons and at that time we thought, oh, this is their version of that guy.

But as Smallville continues on and on and they're like, oh, we already did that character like Supergirl, let's do her again, but with a more accurate version ish, And that's what we're getting with with Doctor Hamilton here. You know, Oliver comes in just to kind of check out what's going on, and of course like, oh, we gotta get him out of there, that they're not gonna what they're doing, and Oliver was like, oh, because he's Marshall, Like when when was this information shared? I

think that's the point. It wasn't because Clark shocked that they're working together, that he knows of him. Maybe after maybe after John Jones saw that he was close with Clark, he took advantage, well he did. Oliver does mentioned that that Marja Manhunters got him out of a few tight straits of the

police, which is interesting. And then some good kind of duty here because Oliver's like, you know, I figured after I got poisoned, I figure we guys like us should have a specialist on call, which which is a smart thing, and that's ultimately what Doctor Hamilton is. Well, he's got that tech guy in the plane on call too, now right Fi fi bro, He's expanding the team that's smart and create me if I'm wrong? Is there ever a Star Labs in Smallville? If there is, it's a passing

comment, But I can't think of anything. I remember they mentioned Cadmus Labs, like they mentioned that in season one, and then it comes back in a big way in season ten obviously with the Clones. But like star It's funny how like Star Labs and the comics like that's where Doctor Hamilton is. And then you know, I believe in the in the DCAU that's Star Labs

as well, and he's like Superman's like scientist guy. And then you know, Lewis and Clark was a huge state Doctor Klein the last couple of years of the show. Um, but but Star Labs just it's kind of more become a flash thing because not only the not only the the Arrow Verse star Labs obviously, but even in the nineteen ninety the Flash Show there was Star Labs, and so it's it's it's cool how it's like this DC comic thing. But it's just I would have I'm kind of shocked that Smallville never had

a star Labs. Yeah, me too, I I want to I'm sure I would guess that they probably made a passing comment at some point. Well, you have to keep an eye out. We'll keep an eye out, and if we missed it already, I'm sorry, and please leave it in the comments. But but Clark Clark, he mention. She's like, oh, yeah, John Jones, he want to meet with me after shift to talk about something. And it's like, was he gonna meet you at the hospital, because that's that's kind of gidiot. Did they ever get to what

he wanted to talk to about? Oh? I believe. I believe it was this this whole situation probably, But I do like this is where we see like kind of the the clashing ideologies of Clark and Oliver. He's like, if he'd never get sacrifices powers to for me to save me, then he wouldn't be in the situation. Oliver's like, yeah, now you're guilty, and I'll that your whole thing. But you know, let's let's move past that and let's actually get to work here, So I like that by

between them. Yeah, I'd like especially when Oliver does that, when he puts him in check about things like that, because he can relate himself. I'm sure he's done things as the Green Arrow that have put himself in similar situations, but understanding that you need to rise above that. You can't blame yourself, can't retreat back and say this is my fault. Just go do something about it. It's your point about this being kind of proto Justice League

forming discussion. Oliver's like, you know what, let's face a teamwork has never really been our thing. So you go follow your leads. I'll go follow my leads and then we'll just meet up later and like, come on, y'all, like you were stronger together, okay, and yet you're you're just doing your own thing. But that shows you that the fractured nature of

whatever he's left with the Justice League at this point of the show. Yeah, it wasn't it just earlier this season they were supposed to go off into hiding on their own, and then Oliver stays in Metropolis. Yeah. I think that was their way of saying, Okay, this is not a Jois League show. So we have to find a way. We got to get rid of the others, but we're gonna keep three narrow because he's a series regular. That was also so funny, like, well, no, no,

the Lex and Tests and always people know our identities. We have to disperse. I'm like Lex knew who Aquaman was since day one, you know, all three of them. He knew who Aquaman, he knew Cyborg. Yeah, Flash Impulse, that's right, I'm gonna call him Flash. But yeah, we um. We cut to uh Luther mansion and a great shot of that very TODs window by the way, and the first shot of the scene, and we have Um Tests doing some karate with with an instructor Akida

or something like that. Yes, yes, as Lana is intimately familiar with based off for hung Lee Journey she's been on when she's off screen. I say that because that's what she left a small vel to go do, so it does apply. I've been joking about that for years. We'll talk about more in detail than our in our next episode on Power. But you know,

Lex had fencing right in pool, and Test has martial arts. But it's so good, like I'm glad it's Tests, not there fencing someone or playing on the pool table, Like she needs to have her own angle, and they've been doing a great job making her a new shade of Lex. Yeah, but I think she needs to put an upgrade into the mansion. I mean, like Lex used like to use his fight scenes and his study

is library. They kind of have like a little gym section right in a mansion doing this a couple of times, and in season one, I feel like they used to redress the mansion more often, Like there would be different rooms. The one they think of a shimmer right where it's like all his paint and all that stuff's like the war room, and like it was clearly this set, but it was redressed a little bit where it looked like a different room. And you know what, it's a mansion. It's the same

house. I buy that a lot of the rooms look the same. So that's fine, but like, at least to your point, makes some attempt that there is some other room in this one, the library or or the hallway. That's the only two rooms that we've seen Chris, or in the bedroom. We do see the bedroom quite frequently now, but at least at least they did an effort early honest. Even even so the room where he kept the Porsche and had all recorded, like the whole room was dark so

he couldn't see walls or if there was an actual room or not. But they made an attempt to show they had another larger room and that became his secret clerk room. You know. Yeah, that could have been then the gin. Yeah, you know what there is um zero in season one, he's out there with like a punching bag, right this sre ends up being hung upside down and all that was like it's just more scope, but they

had more of a budget then, you know. So that's the season eight and we get this, you know, we get one one square block of entrop list, we get one room in the mansion. Everyone has to still live with the talent, you know. So this this is what we're dealing with here. But this is a meaning of of Tess and Latna here Lata

Lange in the flesh right, the enigmatic. Yeah, and uh you're everything Lex said you'd be right, So so Ted, it's so funny when she meets these characters, like, you know, Lex told me all about you might come on. That's like she says, the Clark she says at the Latta you know what I mean. Well, that's gonna really come to a head this episode later on. It is uh she you know, she says, like you tame a Luther, high marks from the woman and trusted with

the Luther legacy. And that's the thing, right, Like, I don't think they needed to make tests his sister. But it does make a lot of this make a little more sense, yes, and also makes it a little more interesting for how she views Lex right now, especially in this episode. This is the thing I've been talking about this scene this whole show. We'll get to it. But she didn't know. No, I think more so being a Luther was for a relationship with Lionel with on Earth two or

when they get to Ultraman, those type of situations. Yeah, now Lana is there to uh kind of call tests out on on the the Prometheus project. It's funny we'recovering season eight of Small right now, as as the guys and all this on the Arrow are covering season five. I'm talking about talking about Prometheus. Hey, I think I think Arrow did Prometheus better than Small VI. I'm just gonna throw that out there. Yet, you should have kept that to yourself. Don't give them more credit. I'll go to their

heads. But she she's there to told test that she knows that Lex is alive and she's siphoning money into this Prometheus project, and uh, she wants to know where where Lex is, right, because then this is this is the thing, like even though she's you know, she's back, and this is like the new Lana, this is very similar. And they bring it up like in you know, the next couple episodes, Clark brings it up.

Good on you, Clark for remembering this and the show for him and kinda like, you know, a Lana last time she got powers, she kind of went after Lex for revenge. She's kind of still it's kind of still her thing, right, That's what she's here. The only reason she is here is to find her whe Lex is in order to you know, I don't know what she's gonna kill him. I don't know what she's gonna

do him, but it's not gonna be positive. Well, and you find out as soon as she walks out that she also had an ulterior motive for this meeting. Yes, so what is she doing here? She is she fishing for information hoping, hey, maybe Tess will just actually tell me where Alex is while I also steal this Prometheus information. You know what's funny is you know what Test jobs on Lana. She says, you don't know lex like I do. It's like, are you that's the last honestly, that's

the last. First thing. E sail that too. La La Lang Lex with them more than any on this show, right, And if she knew of Lana as much as she apparently did from Lex, she would know that Lana probably does know Les better than you. Maybe you might not want to admit it, but Lexus told Tests a lot about Lana, So I've read all about you, yeah, and a lot like she even tells like, look, I was you, I've been you, I've seen I've used to Finlax all the time, and she's so yeah. To your point, I

think two maybe three motivations. One she's like, maybe Tests will just tell me, maybe she won't. Maybe I can turn this woman around because obviously she's on the wrong path. Right, I've been on that path. I can relate. And the other is to use these magic Wi Fi powers from that that Oliver's guy on the plane had just to just steal their files and corrupt them. That's not how the force works, Chris, and I think

it just essentially turns into tests. Wants to make it a pissing contest, and Lana's taking a high ground here because she has an i'll take your motive. Yeah, but we get to Chloes one scene this episode, because yeah, clothes in this. Alison mack Is is prep to direct the next episode of Power. So usually when when actors direct the next episodes, they have no scenes or very limited scenes the previous episodes, so they have more time

to time to prepare. And that's fair. She doesn't a lot of time, all right, because she's gonna, you know, get get back to get back to taking care of Jimmy in Star City with Lois, with with Lois who who? Okay, Like I mentioned at the top right, but it's like, okay, so Lois left to be with Jimmy because obviously Chloe was gone, right, fair, fun fair, Right now Chloe is back, there is no Lois, and then Lois is still gone. Obviously she's

upset about Clark and Latta. You know, welcome to Chloe's life, Lois. Listen, this is this is how she does things. Last time she ran off to like what a monster Chuck Rally in Houston or something El Paso and think but yes and xes. Then she goes to Africa in season ten, so this is I guess that's how she copes. She just runs away. Oh man, she plays a pulls a Luke Skywalker Chris, but it

was um. It is disappointing because in some episodes there are deleted scenes when like characters think they're dead, are missing and they reunite, like like in Gone in season four, like there's a whole scene where you know, Choe Lanna get back together, and there's whole and there's another scene in the beginning of the season seven. I think they're deleted scenes. I'm like, well,

you should have put these in here. They're kind of important. This They don't even make an attempt of like I wonder what Lois thought about Chloe coming back? Right, this is like come on, y'all, like that you're supposed to be handling Lowe's better and you were, but now she's gone again. Even even the writers get blinded by Lana being back. They're like, well, I guess I don't know what to do. Uh, Chloe just dropped an eye rolling our favorite Martian reference, like who who is that?

For? Like, I know what my favorite Martian is because like I kind of happen to like old TV and it was like on you know, these black and white runs of channels. But I'm like, who knows what that is anymore? Right? More adults watching the show That Can two thousand, early two thousands, why would you reference that really bad early two thousands a movie with Christopher Lloyd Because Small has to pump every pop culture reference into

Chloe and Jimmy's language. It's exhausting, and I don't, look, we love this show, right, but yeah we when you know, when I watched this show and like are taking notes and analyzing it, and then I like, I just go watch other shows just for fun, and I'm like, it's so refreshing to not hear people try to squeeze in some sort of pop culture for reference every other line. You know, there should be one

one character like the Cisco on The Flash. I think him and Felicity early early Felicity Narrow, they were like the perfect versions of that because you contain it like, okay, but that's this character's thing. But sometimes it's just

too much Chris. They would do it in situations that applied, like if you had a meta that had something that sounded like out of a comic book and they referenced a comic book or whatever like that, Right, it wasn't just an everyday conversation talking about normal things, which is maybe why it stands out a little bit more because a pop culture reference in a perfect situation,

you want to give that Captain America meme. I understood that reference. That kind of stuff is cool, but when it's when it's in a full sentence

that should just be basic conversation, it stands out a little more. And I don't believe for a second to Chloe and Clark ever watched My Favorite Martian But yeah, especially not Clark. I do like how she is, like, man, I miss being bradyac like as far as like the computer speed, because that's that would be a logical like feeling for her a half after being so like super powerful and when as far as computer goes and then having

to like it's like having high speed internet and then being reduced to dial up. Right, yeah, and Clark gives her a little look and she's like, I know, I know, but like you would miss that. Anybody would miss that. It's like you not having your powers anymore, Clark, think about that, right, Skippy had a little here and looking at her. Chloe and Lana are just sharing Isis and the Talon. Though Lana has money, right, Lana has her settlement from the one of the richest men

in the world. She can afford a hotel room. That is true because yeah, because Lana it seems to be staying at the Talent again, ah, which which is okay because Chloe's not there right now. But this is all this is not very well there either right now. But she's in Stars City taking care of Jimmy. And then Lois got her own apartment because you got that raise, which we never see that place by the way, Um, so yeah, yeah, they're just okay, there's an open room,

take advantage. There should be an apartment above the Isis Foundation. And that's the thing, right because Isis was Lanast thing and Lana was gone. I'm like, well, we don't. And then and then they made lowest Chloe's like they they took Chloe's daily Planet thing away from her and gave it to us, like, well, what do we do with Chloe wa Lana had the slishest thing. She's gone, we have the set. I guess we'll

have Chloe do that. But now Lana's back, and it is weird how they're both like because there's multiple scenes of them and all these episodes of them both in the secret room doing the thing that it's Interchangers. The Small Raiders got together and said, we're gonna bring Lata back. So she's gonna take this from Lois and this from Chloe. Then she's gonna take take She's gonna

be the Superhero's gonna get the powers, taking everything. She took Clark from Lois, she took ices from Chloe, and she took all the powers from Clark. It's crazy. Oh man, well, you know, speaking of all this, Chloe's like, so how are things now that Lana is back in your orbit and Clarks that I think this is so strange to me because she's very aware. She's like, yeah, you know, when you were the triangle here, it sucks. I've been in that third point on y'all's

triangle and uh, don't hurt my cousin. Right, I'm like, this is it's very messy, isn't it. Yeah, I get Clark's point like how do you just stop loving someone? And he never really had the closure too, But Chloe makes a good point like he's gonna he's gonna hurt Lois and all this because they were getting close and you can't deny that they weren't. Even Clark can't say that they weren't. They were. They were right about the kiss. But you don't seeing Lena come back, Chris, It's

like she never left. So it makes it okay again, that makes out of sight out of mind, right, because Lois isn't even around, Like if he had to go to work every day and sit across from Lois and he's still doing this and be a much worse look on him, right, but it's still not it's still not a great look. Like if these are your real friends in the real world, right, think about this and you

saw you saw like you've seen this the re vibe happening. You saw them about the kiss of this wedding, and then immediately like his ex comes back in town. He's taking over thy like Clark, you're an ass. Yeah, so, and they would call him out a little more harshly than chloeus, especially considering it's her cousin. This is your your best friend in the world. But I guess Lana is your other best friend in the world,

so you're you're in a tough spot too, you know. But you know what, She's married now, so maybe she's not as invested into this as she as she used to be, right, not invested personally, but she should. You think she'd be a little more. She's like saying, don't don't say him Lois in the door. You think she'd be a little more defensive of Lois than Lana because she knows how Clark sees Laana. Well, that's that's the problem. The show needs us to root for this even though

it's the wrong thing. That's that's the issue. Right If anyone in here was like, you know, McCart, maybe you shouldn't do this, and the audience would be like, you know what, they're right, maybe he shouldn't be doing this, and then they would derail what they're trying to do with with Lana him here. But give him credit for addressing that it is a thing and acknowledging that there's something there rather than just denying it all.

Yeah, at least they addressed it, right, I mean, you my other rant would have been like, I can't believe they did even mentioned that, Sully, I are mentioning it, but yeah, that's where we are. But you know, during this conversation, you know, chloes are running all this data on what happened to John Jones and they find there's an armor piercing bullet and it's missing for evidence, So must be an inside job.

Chris, what do you think about that? I think it's funny that they mentioned it's an armor piercing bullet when later on there's a lot of talk about make sure you wear your vest, because that's great. If you're wearing your vest, armor piercing would go through it. Well, the thing is, these guys protect their own, so it's not going to be easy to get past that thin blue line, you get it. That's why it stands out

because it's it's another reference that didn't need it to be at it. Like, look, I use a lot of pop culture references in my life, but I know there's a time in a place. All right, I'm not I'm not quoting Star Wars and we're talking about like, so how did your chemotherapy go? Right? You know, you know what I'm saying this is like there's a time in a place. Yeah, anyway, but uh it's it's the forty fourth preseat, right, and uh, hey good on them.

It's that they put some signage up, you know, and it's it's a I can't immediately identify what location this is. I'm sure it's just somewhere on the back lot when we see all these cops and we see inter Detective Dan or officer at this point, Dan Turban because he's a young guy,

Dan Turbin. Yeah, I liked I liked the reveal. Here he walks out and he's meeting a new partner, and I mean essentially you don't really know what was going to happen, but then you get the pan to the the badge and then it's Clark turns around Clark, he's Joe Joe Fordman. Yeah, Joe Forman. Do you like that as a as a pseudonym? Here? Sure? Why not? I mean Joe was the name his dad used when he was walking around Earth. Yeah, and uh, Lana's back,

so thinking of all things, Lana her ex boyfriend's last name. You think that's where he got that, That's why Forman was on his mind. I like, where else are you gonna get form? Well, that is like he's paying tribute to like his fallen friend, right. Um. And then Joe for you know, the the the americanization of Jarrell. I don't know if that's what he was thinking there. Maybe he just picked a common name, but we see it as that because I like that. I like

that. I liked that he picked that, you know, as a pseudo him. I thought that was cool. He should have gone, uh, if you want to go full lat xss, he should have been Jason Ford Whitney Tigue the newest officer. Um. But it's a cool reveal, right because obviously, like you said, it's it's a slow reveal, like the guys are walking on, Hey, ready meet your partner and ready to go save the world. Right Uh. And then it's Clark. Now this is cool. But he needed glasses here, Chris, didn't he? Right,

Well, he needed glasses when he's working in the daily pocket. That's beside the point. I'm just looking for anything at this point for him to wear some glasses on. Maybe some sunglasses here. It's difficult. Cough, look at the sunglasses. I just thought, like, man, like, if Clark's going undercover right, an in disguise, that's a perfect time to bring out some glasses. And I thought it was a missed opportunity. But again, I I wonder what it's gonna be like when they get to this place

and talk feel off. I remember on an episode this late in the show, I'm definitely gonna ask Tom like so the glasses because I have a feeling that like he just didn't want to wear them, like he thought they weren't cool or something like. That's my vibe on the whole fare. Or maybe it was a higher up state. We can't have we can't have our sex sible star war glasses. Right, there's a different world back than in two

thousand and nine. Yeah, my bet would be more on. He probably didn't want to wear them, just speaking from I mean, I work contact lens all the time because I don't want to wear glasses. But just speaking from Halloween costumes, when you have to wear glasses and you don't need them, it's kind of kind of a pain. I guess. Listen, Clark is sacrificing everything for this Chris, for the greater good. So let's talk

about our guest star, David pat Cow. Now he was in Hothead all the way back in season one and in Smallville the official magazine number three two. As A said earlier, he is an interview and he says, quote, I tested for the Whitney Fordman role and Hothead was e zone three, so maybe they remembered me. I have a couple of distinct memories because some of that was filmed on nine to eleven. It was an interesting day on set, to say the least. Everyone was concerned about what was going on,

so it was a really bad day for everyone. Suddenly the show wasn't that important. And that's interesting because you hear them talking about that. I don't talk through a lot, especially in season one. John Scheider brings it up, and Rosama and Welling, you're always talking about how like hot Heavens from the nine eleven that was that was a big thing. And that makes sense that he was, you know, in the running for Whitney and like, okay, we didn't get that. Well, hey, well we'll threw

you a guest star part of a member of the football team. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, And that's one of those events that happened in this world that if you live in this country It's one of those you always remember where you were, oh yeah when that happened. So I could just imagine if you're a working actor, and he's probably had tons of roles on other shows, but you remember this one guests his parents. Because of the significance of that event, I could see that I could see him testing

for Whitney. He's got the look he could. He could have done a good job there too. Eric Johnson's gone on to do much bigger things now too. Yeah, yeah, fifty, says A Gray. Did you ever watch Alcatraz? Now, I haven't seen that. That was a fun show. It was like a half season show. It didntr mc cliffhanger and they got canceled because it was a sci fi shown Fox Shocker. But he was

an episode of that. It was pretty good. And then uh, he's a flash Gordon on the si Fide channel, so he's he's continued to work. So and we know this actor here who played Dan Turpins continue to work because we see him later on in uh nice little movie called Man of Steel. We do is he the one says Superman? Inte yes, that that's the alien. That's what they're calling him Superman. So he essentially gives him the name Superman. Right, I've been Marshaman a hundred for forty years on

this planet. No one's given me a cool name anyway. Then we'll talk about that. We didn't even mention, you know, uh, doctor Alton. We talked about him more later, but like he's on the scenes with Doctor Hamilton. Sobody then is steel. It's just an insane amount of you wonder if they had any conversations Alessandro Giuliani and I'm sorry, Dan Turpin's actor name is David David Pacow. They were in the same episode of Smallville,

but they probably never interacted. They were probably on set different days just because they didn't have any scenes together. Yeah, so maybe they're on Manisteel talk ends like, hey, we're together, him and I can't kind of came in front of tam Hill Pikett, who was Hilo Wombastarro Bactica. He was on Arrow. He's the guy that killed Hunters's fiancee. Um. He was in two episodes of Smallble as two different characters as this guy was as well.

He was in Prototype and then he was in season three in Resurrection. Same deal. He was an army guy in Man of Steel he puts Lewis in that like closet. Well, what's the rule? We've heard it talked about somewhere. There's a rule like it has to be a certain amount of seasons between your character when you can you know, I've heard that, but I don't think that's just I think that's the general role. But I've there's people that have appeared like much closer together on Smallville as well. So,

but basically, like if you're if you're, I'm shocked. The guy who played the chief on Batstocolatica was not in the Man of Steel or at least BBS because he was he was in BSG. He works up there. He was in two episodes of smavel as two different characters many years apart, much like these guys. So, but I don't have like the complete list or anything. I think I think at some point when Rosama was reading off some some stats, like he's like thirty one people were small, but were something

like something like some absurd highly high number. Because it's not just I mean we're talking about you know, actress with dialogue that kind of stuff, Like I'm sure there were so many background actors who was who shared in the production as well. Well, it just gives us u able to give all these fan theories, like when we talk about Star Wars, for example, you see Andy Serkis he played, Well, he's totally that's not even a joke

anymore. I think I was messaging you about that, you guys, and I was like in Mandalorian, like, well, we have our volunteered test subject, but we know who that is. It's Keno Lloy and they're gonna combine it with a gro grou blood. He's gonna become snoke. Hey, it's all there. So Anyway, his his interview Small with the magazine, he says, quote, I went in and read for it, but I wasn't sure how small it would look at my resume since I'd already been on

the show. What I didn't realize about Danny Turpin is that he's established in the DC universe. I had no idea that he was his grizzled gruff cop and his character was established about thirty years ago. I didn't know that until the fourth day of shooting. So I guess the writers are putting all these DC characters in. Yes, on the fourth day shooting, he probably realized with characters thought, hey I'll be back again. Yeah, I can't wait

to be a regretting character. But this is what he had to say about working on an episode. Quote, Smallville is a great set. The crew gets along so well, and Tom is an amazing guy. Everyone is nice, loose and relaxed. They're confident. As for Justin and Tom, those guys are tall, they're fun and have a nice rapport. Justin has a lot of energy, and Tom is clearly the leader of that show. So to quote Talkville again, like John Scheiner says, be the horse, Be

the horse Tom. Anyway, that's cool though, Well, he's a good experience on the show bringing people back. You know, I think that that is schooling. It's fun for us. And you know, maybe this guy changed his name and he really was the same guy from from season one. He just did because had Clark been wearing the glasses, he wouldn't have recognized him. Chris, there you go. It all tied together. Anyway.

It just fits when they first get in the car and they start driving through the streets in Metropolis, they come around a corner and I don't know if it's just they were trying to give an edgy. Look. I swear there's a street worker, like a girl about one hundred percent. She's wearing like a miniskirt with boots. Right, they did that in small Ville on the CW. Well it was very subtle, but sure show you how bad things have gotten. I guess they have the conversation in the car and you think

he was describing Gotham City. This is this is very bad man mcginns. Right where Rachel's driving Bruce around. That's the vibe I got. I mean they're in a car, but maybe that's not really they the talk is essentially throughout the episode the justice system doesn't always work, but we do. We get the streets. Yeah, they control the courts, but we control the streets. We'll get to that in a minute. But you know, Clark's from Cose City allegedly, which is a cool green Lander reference. Yeah,

more comic book lore. He should have gone by like this is Detective hald Jordan's I don't know what what the captions were thinking. Every time when I watched with the captures are up, it said Cove City. Really, I think it's just uh, you know, trying to the algorithm could not hear no people need to proofree those algorithms. Okay for the clothes, for the clothes captions, but like Clark's like, who's a nice car? He's like, ah, I guess it's a humor. That's good because there's no one

else to say. But but what is cool about this, Dan Turbin is it's something that tracks from the combat. Dan turban is he doesn't trust the superheroes. He's like these costume Visionlandi's went around, We've got this green arrow and this red blue blur and like he's not, I love that light, thanks Joe. So but it's interesting to get get Clark's perspective on this.

He's like, so you think they do more harm the good And Turbin's like, well, what I know is cop sever rules and they don't, right, So he has some sense of morality which gets tested surely in this episode. So it's always nice when you see superheroes being able to learn lessons like that, when they're getting a different perspective because they people don't realize they're talking to them. So yeah, Clark, Clark can learn a lesson here and

see a perspective that he couldn't get before. That's why secreted news are important, Chris. I also like how they keep calling they keep calling the superheroes capes, but green arrows work and a cape once and uh, Clark says, I'll never wear a cape, right, that is true, not in this lifetime. Calling him capes, that's a good that's a good point. Which which heroes are referring to Akaman Black Canary. No, I mean of the For all they know, the red Bullebler could wear a cape. Maybe

that's what you're seeing. But yeah, maybe that's what they think, right, But you know, the junkies are hitting up the pharmacy again, right, so it's just another day in Metropolis, broad daylight. You're right, this guy's he's running. This is actually something else that David Pacal talks about in his interview h that this chase scene. He says, quote one of the stunt guys and the camera rehearsal was doing the run and he felt pretty

hard because it was slippery. It was a nervous time. The least thing you want to do is slip falling the camera, look like an idiot and you get hurt. So as a camera guy myself, I could relate to this, like you never want to fall when you're doing this job. I was, Um, I was shooting this this uh pilot like this this spec pilot for like a BMX biking thing. This is like right out of college, and I was just doing kind of any contract work I could have.

And this is BMX biking like course, right, it's a big thing, right, It's Olympic sport and all this stuff. Right. The guy who was doing it and was leading it was like he had won in the Olympics in previous years. And you know, it's just these mounds of mud and all this stuff, right, and so you gotta run and like follow these bike guys. And so I ran and I slipped and I got mud all over me. And then about then I picked up the camera and still to

keep working, and it was it was crave. It was embarrassing, but I mean, what you got, you gotta it's a live thing. You gotta keep going, right, and which I just remember was covered in mud after that it was awful. Um, But I had some friends working on it as well, so they didn't give me that Harvard time about it. But it's just like just just just thinking about that. And unfortunately, the camera's fine because that's your number one objective. Let's protect the camp. But

that's what people like is is camera king. That's the main thing people want to know. That's pretty scary. And because you know, it's kind of a rainy day in the scene, right, you got guys running, you don't think about that. But not only do you have the actors Rinning mich got camera guys came up with him. That's that's a real thing. So anyway, they chase him in in this alley and it's uh not for if Joe Forbin had not been Dan Turbin's partner this day, he'd be dead.

Yeah, like you said, broad daylight stealing something from a pharmacy, it's worth killing a cop over. Well, it's it's a what's it's a uh come up? So it's back. Lois tells uh that that Sebastian Cane memory. Guys, She's like, well, you know, next to hell. This is the worst place ever, Like what this is? This is not Yeah, we're in Gotham City city, right, but anyway, what it is it's Superman isn't there yet? And Superman is what makes it a pristine

good city. Right there, you go two more years, but no, Clark, uh, Clark saves him from this junkie. You know, it's kind of like a Superman the movie esque right where he saves Lois from the bullet and he catches it. You know, it's the same kind of because it's in an alley, kind of giving those kinds of yeah, yeah,

I thought so. Anyway, that's cool. It's a continuity too. You could see when he turns around and Clark standing next to the guy just on the ground, his fist is clenched and like it kind of highlights that his fist is clenched and he opens the hand and he has the bullet. Right, so let me cut the isis And oh my god, they're gonna do

the Lex Luthor battle suit. I'm so excited. Version one. It is the Lex Luthor battle suit from the comic books of the Prometheus suit, which is which is a look Prometheus. Of course that's a name that Lex Uthor would use. That's so cool and you think, oh wow, Lex is gonna come back, and this is gonna be the different vibe of Lex we did. We're gonna get like battle suit Justice League a limited Lex. It's

gonna be so awesome. I can't wait and then we get version two and it's like, oh, subdermal, you know, don't don't even tease us with that le You're gonna go through with it, you know what I mean? Typical? Come well, I say typical, But it's a comic book writer giving you something that if you're a comic book reader, it'll it'll ring out to you, even if they're not necessarily going to have the budget to create a big actual lex with her warsuit, which we kind of actually get

on Supergirls. So I give them credit for that, even though what's the classic like extremist style stuff that appears that or nothing? You know, they give it, they give it a little bit to us. But you know, Lana is uploading the stuff that she stole from Tests, and she's talking to someone on the phone who we turn turns out to be doctor Grohl was we found on the next episode the gar from season six, So good conduitor there. But as she's doing this, there's an alert message. It says

data stream record from unknown Wi Fi device. It's like what, And that's just to show that Test has kind of figured out what's going on, and that's that's setting up there confrontation later in the episode. Huh, I'd forgotten that that was how she found out about it. I thought that Lana had just in my head watching the episode, waiting for this to happen, knowing that that comes at some point in the episode. I thought Lana had figured

that out in her time away doing her research about Lax. But I guess it's kind of cool that they show it. She's stumbled upon it by accident. Let me come from that to uh barbecue at Dan Turban's place, and hey, do you call continuity? He's running around. He's got a blue shirt and we'll red cape, red sweater tied round his neck. And Clark's say, hey, who are you supposed to be? Were Angel? He says, no, I'm the red blue Blur. Pretty cool, Huh.

I like this and what the kid dresses up as later. I like this better than when you're watching the crossover of arrowin the Flash, and the kid already has full action figures of superheroes that aren't necessarily established as common is the guys we have action figures for, So I like that he's making his own costume for whatever to be. We know he early wear a mask and that's not necessarily his outfit, but it's what a kid would put together. I

thought it was cool. I thought it was cute. Yeah, no, no, that that's that's a good point. Like who is making these green Arrow and Flash uh DC direct you know action figures in the arrow verse or Williams? Like I like the Flash that's pretty. That's a good point. Um, Like I can see him having a Flash action figure, but he has a green Arrow one too, doesn't he? Yeah? And and like have villains. Yeah, it's like, hey, do you have your Alsama

Bin Laden action figure? You know? I don't know, Like I'm trying to think of an equivalent, right, oh man, But anyway, uh, that is that is cool to like In Terman, he's like not too hot on the on the capes, but his son is a family that's classic rights. And then Clark Stark starts talking to Dan Turpin's wife, the actress Sarah Smith, and she is in Supergirl in five. So it's just a character called Lydia Lockwood. Do you know who her husband in that show is?

Oh? Is it Sam Whimber? It? Oh? Because I okay, I looked at this. I haven't watched almost any of that Supergirl right like that those seasons. But I was like, oh, she's in season four with Sam Whimber, so is it? It's incredible connected Smallville is the blueprint. Okay, that's pretty cool anyway. She's also looks like she's in some Hallmark Christmas movie, so you might hear someone somewhere and talk about those uh Christmas getaway a Mistletoe promise, And she's in Wynn Calls the Heart,

which is a favorite of everyone in there. Overs. I think there's a lot of actors who show up on that as well, So that's funny. I I, of course I will watch Supergirl and entirety one day, and so this will be fun for me to see all these people pop back up.

But uh, you know, I think, um that that's cool because she you know, she's like, hey, you know, thanks for having his back and a little The important thing is this is Clark seeing that family life as you discussed, like having that balance to having the family life, being the hero putting your life on the line, and then the other generic cops coming in. He's like, hey, man, rookie really or just

keep today man? You know, yeah, humanizes Turpin a little more than the others because you see Turpin's family even though there are other families are there too, right, Like it's not just it's such as his family and his other wives. Oh yeah, there are there are other people. There seemed to be other people around the head guy. Officer Talbert is his name. The actor will grow familiar and he's in the Planet of the Apes movies,

The New Ones. He's in the Chronicles of Riddick. He's an X two X Men United character called Mitchell Lario, who I have no idea who that is. He's in Man of the High Castle. He's in Supernatural, He's in Project Blue Book. Like this guy's a hardworking actor because he's just he isn't one of those faces. I'm like, this guy's in stuff, you know. He said his character was Lauria. Yeah, Mitchell Laurio in X two X Men United everything Laura, and I thought you were gonna say,

like maybe it's related to like Dan Lauria. No, no, no, no, he's Oh he's of course he is. He's in voss Archolactica, Blood and Chrome. Oh, here it is. He plays Martin Summers on Era one episode the second episode of season one, Honor. They father. And who does he play in Man of Steel? Is he Man of Steel? No, I don't let me let me see. I don't see how he's He was too busy being on Volensar Elastica, Blood and Chrome. New

appearance on Man of Steel. He's in the Tomorrow People with Peyton List this Man the Sky. So he's a Vancouver actor. Yeah, yeah, big time. He's an alien versus predator requiem as is um Dan Turban here. So anyway, he also placed Drulie on Crypto the Superdog. It's good on you man. A hardworking actor if there ever was one. But anyway, that seemed to be like after work that day for them. They had the day shift. Yeah, and then first day on the job and invite the

new guy over the house. That's cool. I like that. You know, they're all bonding and stuff. The way they were talking, it seemed like this is a regular occurrence, but use every day. And they were having conversations about like hopefully were this lucky tomorrow and well, yeah, that's something, you know, that's something the dan Terman's wife says. You know, his last partner, Mike, you know, you know, he always

though he was bulletproof episode title set an episode plus one. But these you know, these guys, these guys are they're shady, you know, they're like, oh man, you know, rookie, you know, put your neck out for somebody you don't know. H it's pretty it's pretty tough. And Clark's like, isn't that what police officers are supposed to to do? This guy? But that shows you, like the uh, that kind of shows you that they're not quite in the right space mentally to to be police

officers. So that was I think that's that was subtle. That was well, that was fine, right. A couple of lines later, I'm like, who but anyway, that that was subtle. That was good. Um. And then all their their phones start going off and the like have another call, and like I thought to myself, well, that's strange. Their

shift is over, so what are the game called away for? But all these looks they were changing with each other and be like, it's it's not real work, right right, it's something else and undercover Clark didn't get the call. No. I thought it was a little I thought it was at odd the thing included him right away. But I guess if you want to bring him into how things should be well and it would be kind of obvious if they if he didn't, right, and also he did, he did

just save Dan Turpin's life. So they're probably thinking, I don't know, but yeah, it's that is that's a big that's a big leap of faith, like, hey, let's let's bring you out on this, on this vigilante justice that we're having. Even ironically, even though they hate capes, right, they're the ones doing vigilanting justice. Well, they have rules and yeah, the Capes don't, even though they're not following their rules that they're

supposed to be following. I think it goes to show more there how cocky they are, how confident they are and what they're doing, because they're gonna bring the new guy in here and they're not worried about him ratting him out or anything like that. And even later on, like they're so confident like, oh, we're gonna kill the green Arrow, so like they clearly don't think they can be touched. Gonna kill the greener good lug with that.

Oh they already tried for the Martianman Hunter. Yeah, but they didn't know they arrested Superman. They don't even they don't even know these things, right, but we we cut the isis and uh, you know, I noticed sometimes when they want to make tests like more evil, they had a little more eyeshadow to her. And that's what they kind of do in this scene. Right. It's it's the Teslana confrontation because you you corrupted Prometheus files and

Alex is going to die and now I'm gonna shoot you. Yeah, I'm like, whoa, Okay, so this is a this is confirming that Tess knows that Lex is alive and is working for him, right, and like, because that had been unclear. I don't know when. I don't think it's ever made clear on the show, honestly, because when she shows up at the ending of season eight, she doesn't know where Alex is, and

I think for several episodes she really does trying to find it. But apparently some time between her last appearance and here, because she hasn't been in a couple of episodes. Now, I don't know, I don't I don't know if she necessarily knows where he is, but she knows he's alive and she's helping him. Yeah, she's helping him. Clearly, this project is important for him. Maybe she got more messages from X that we didn't see my

head cannon for that. As I've said on the podcast now, is that's brainiac working inside Chloe because as soon as she found out that the thing existed, he took over her mind us in those emails to will think. Anyway, that's my makes way more sense than lex reprogramming it. What are you talking about, man? Yeah? Anyway, Tests has some low blows against Lana here she's mentions the miscarriage. Well, Laana says she can't be controlled. And this is a good scene between them though. Yeah, it shows

they're pretty evenly matched. It does, you know, and you know Tests trained by checkmate is you found out next season? But but Rick Flag because who Lana was trained by? As you find out and not see that's the thing. Okay we were just talking about and this is a conversation for power the next episode, Chris. But like the guy who trains Lana the Rise of Chung Lee, all right, yep, he goes on in season ten to play Rick Flag. Yes, a very very similar character by the same

actor a season and a half apart. Uh why not just make that guy? Replied yea, and they should have said like, oh, yeah, you know, I trade lone like under my code name of whatever. You know what I'm saying, Like it's strange, but um, anyway, they're pretty good to fight here, much better than the Clark Doomsday fight right at

the end of the season. Definitely more production value here, like I would have I would have taken something like this, like find a way to because Doomsday is so powerful and Clark prob you don't have to have be like a super knockdown throw off fight like you see Clark having against himself and other seasons and the case. Have it be like some hand to hand combat like this. No, I mean this is probably the best fight since Lona versus Chloe

and Delete back in season like a season three. But how to make the girls fight better than the superheroes. No, you're absolutely right, And they didn't. I think that was their restact, Like they thought they were gonna have like a straw all these city blocks. I just get these two guys like in a warehouse, a guy that I mean you had a very impressive James. They suit and have him and Tom Willing grapple, you know, and do something like just anything more of them. We got but that's that's

a conversation for another day. And uh yeah. So so a lot of it gets the jump on Tests gets the gun and then and then pointing the gun at her, and then we cut the commercial and I'm like, are we gonna get another lot of kills? No, we're not a lot of it's not going to kill tests. Uh. But then we'll come back from commercial and it's revealed what is going on here with the cops. That's forty

fourth precincts. So when when Clark was in the car with Dan in turbine earlier and he like kisses the picture of his wife and kid before he goes, you know, on a call, and there there's another picture behind that picture that Clark kind of take notice of and fell off the the the review mirror there, and it's of some criminal or get some mug shot, right, and you're like, hmm, this will definitely come into play later.

And they arrive at this warehoul. The cops arrive at this warehouse here and that guy is there right like, hey, we got a present for you, Danny. He's the guy that killed his partner, right yeah, and this is or we get some of that, uh, the problematic dialogue. So like Dan Jefferin's going in there to h to beat up this guy because he got off on a technicality, right, and he's like giving any of what you did to me and my partner's family and is really wailing on him,

right. Uh. And then you know Clark, Like Clark's seeing this and he's about to like kind of move in, and Talbert, the head, the ringleader of this whole operation, he stops Clark. He says, we may not control the system, but we control the streets. I was like, like, I know what you're trying to say, Small will fine line that you have a thin blue line. It's a thin there's a thin blue line. You're absolutely right, so that it just it just can't help

but stick out in these days. You get you get what Small those trying to do here. They're trying to show that how far do you go to get justice? What what's right and what's wrong compared to capes doing what they do without their rules or what the cops do. The system fails, right, But well there's no argument that, like the justice system has flaws and people get through the cracks all the time. And I guess the question is like, what is the correct response to that, right, not beating him

up in a warehouse and killing him? Right. And that's that's the angle they're going through with Smallville story here, Like that's what they're like approaching, not like the whole like cops are just out there doing whatever they want, Like, I mean, they're doing that in this context, but you know, it's a different Uh, it's it's a different shade of that than than kind of the what's so much in the in the in the conversation today? But but yeah, I mean you take some of the dialogue like damn,

the more things change, the more things stay the same, unfortunately. Yeah, And essentially Clark gets saved by Oliver show up. Like what was Clark gonna do? Like literally, they throw him a crowbar. They're like, hey, you're just gonna stay in there, fordman or you're gonna man up, give your partner a hand. And Clark's He's looking at this like you know, tire iron and uh, I assume if if Oliver had not shown up, then Clark would have done something with superpowers and got out of there.

I didn't I didn't remember this episode, so I'm like, what is I was really on the edge of my seat wondering what Clark was gonna do. Right, So green Arrow showing up, fantastic timing. Huh yeah, And at what point does he realize that that's Clark? Because he shoots everybody

and Clark catches it. You think he would have pegged by it then that it was Clark from looking from the rafters or whatnot, because he really seems surprised when Lark Clark, when Clark pulls the arrow at of him and pulls the arrow at him and kind of gets in his way, what the hell are you doing here? Right? And speaking of it being cold, I mean this might have played a factor in why they re slieves on the green

Arrow costume this time. Because David Packow and Small of The Fishing Magazine number thirty two had this to say about these action scenes. Quote, there were some stunts that were done at four a m. We use squibs and the whole works. But justin Harley headed worse than me. He was wearing his leather green arrow outfit, which is harder to move in, and it was cold outside too. I was the victim in most of the scenes, so I just had to run around and try not to get shot. So I

feel that that's what it was. They're like, it's too cold justin putting the sleeves back, because I assume they either have like an alternate version of this costume with the sleeves or they can just like put the sleeves on and then he puts the vest on over the over that kind of like wet suit

or whatever they have going on there. So but no, this was this was cool to see him take that on these guys, because this is stuff I wanted to see more of, kind of when Green Arrow being a main character on the show, like Clark is operating and then he just runs in the Green Arrow during his thing, because that rarely I feel like that rarely happened on the show. Yeah, postseason six, you don't see as much

Oliver as Green Arrow being Green Arrow anymore. So it's nice that you get moments like this, and you also get Dan Turpin seeing Clark talked to the Green Arrow. Yeah, everyone else gets electrocuted and goes unconscious to keep Clark's secret and not Turpid. Nope, he's a little bit stronger. Yeah. Yeah. So then we come back to ices and a lot of it has tested gun points, but it's not going to kill her, and we get a big info dump on like Lex's backstory. She asked tests like were you

this loyal before or after your accident? And there was an explosion in South America three years ago for disease samples and I think I think this is during season five when Lex was collecting all those diseases for brainiac said two years ago, well you know your give or take. Well. It also goes into Testa's backstory where she knows that there is somewhere down in South America's when Clarke Heady go get the antidote. Yeah yeah, and being a you know,

oceanographer with all that stuff, like it's it kind of attracts. I mean, this is what they're having to make all this stuff up now because I think they finally realized that Michael Rosamum is not coming back, so they're like, well, I guess we'll just write all this stuff in next position. Because what's what's interesting here is like Lana activates this you know signal through all the ISIS cameras in the computer room there, and it shows that everything Tests

sees in here is being transmitted to lex La says. Lata says, I'm opening your eyes and quite literally literally yeah, quite literally, and it's the whole like you know, infinitude. Look because she's hold her hands up from the TV. It's really cool. It's like whenever we have like a cam quorter tod TV, what do we do? We pointed out the TV and we divide by zero and it's you know, it's bringing it back to Star Wars when Ray goes into her dark side on Octo and but you can tell

that Tess like oh, because she's she didn't know what's going on. She's pretty shocked by this and let lex never trusted her. That's what Lana. This point is with all this, Definitely I loved you use something a bitch roma was here, but I I would argue that I'm thinking at this point they probably still hope they were going to get Michael Rosimhan back, because we see later where they use a photo of him. They're establishing him is an

active character wanting to get a suit to make himself better. And this episode is essentially the turning point for Tests where she's no longer like she starts on her trend to not necessarily be the villain, right, because I see what you mean. Yeah, she wants to merge with Oliver at the end, and there's I think that this was more of a Test turning point than necessarily

closing the door on Lex. Yeah, that's true, because now there's no one to be that nefarious, you know, just serving that role the Legs had through Through or Lionel right for all the previous seasons, and she wouldn't make What makes Test dangerous is you think she is essentially Lex two point zero. She's in and in bed with Lex and not literally, but she's in his league and running his company, and how much does she know? How

much does she not know? And essentially this kind of turns her against Lex. Well, but I think this is a very comm book lex Uther thing to do. Like someone under his control had some accident, so he's, as LNA says, he saved you, but he don't trust you, right, So he saved her, but he put this neurotransmitter, right, nano transmitter inside of her optic nerve or whatever. How many more people does he have this? Who knows? But this is I mean, this is what

Lex does in the comics with like people like my Talo right. I mean, that's that's very on brand for Lex Luthor. So like that's he sees people his resources to be used instead of people for people's sake. One of my favorite Lex with her stories, and I couldn't tell you what comic it's

from. He goes into some random diner and he sits down and he talks to this woman and basically offers her all this money to like just run away with him right now, leave everything behind and leave her family, leave everything and come be with him. And then he just she goes in the back and then he just disappears and leaves her there. And then he's talking to somebody about it and said, basically he ruined her life because she's always gonna

wonder if she should have done it or not. Yeah, you know that Roca told me that story on a podcast I think it was. I think it was on Fracture. He was telling me about that story too. I haven't heard I haven't read that comment. I think he's probably talking to Mercy Graves or somebody, right, But it's just he's just a sociopath man. And yeah, that's that's that's what's so interesting. Like he doesn't he doesn't

care what kind of damage he leaves in his wake. And that's and now that you know, Lex has passed the pointing overturn, as far as Smallvill goes, he can get away with him doing stuff like that. I mean he was gonna use the cyborg on this show, right, Yeah, wipe his memory and then use him as a tool and all those um super soldiers and all that stuff. So probably what we would have seen if Rosenbaum had say that, we would have had Nefarius Lex doing much more evil face.

Well, let's well, I gotta I gotta question, but we'll say it. We'll say WI to the end though, up for for that. But we cut to the hospital and Clark is there and Dan Turpin is there. How I don't know why they're both there? How did how did Turpin know that Clark would go there? Yeah, that's I have no idea. Well, he knows that he was asking these questions about John Jones. I guess that's that's that's how he knows. So because because Clark is there, he's

watching, you know, John Jones. He talks to Hamilton. Hamilton has some dialogue here, like he has like two lines, which is clearly like good on them for setting up Hamilton here and then making you more later, because I was like, dude, is that is that it for Doctor Hamilton? I would have been pissed if that was especial. You cast a guy

like like that and then have him have four lines. It doesn't I know, you're kind of figgy on the later season you don't remember him like singing out this and no, no, no, no, I remember all that. I'm just saying like at the time, like I'm like, oh cool, we have a new Doctor Hamilton. Oh wait, he had four lines? Is he ever gonna be back? Did they waste mister Gaina from BSG No? I remember him very much so in nine and ten, you know,

but not so much in an eight. Well, I think setting the lineup, we need somebody on the payroll, and then having it the Emil Hamilton, you kind of gotta you would guess that it's somebody that's going to be coming back. So Dan Turbine, he confronts Clark here, He's like,

what are you, Joe? You fed AIB right, And I think he connected The doctor just said, like you ask him out, some detective and then I see you because he had asked about John Jones earlier to the guys just kind of put some feelers out to try and get to the bottom of stuff and h and if he finds them checking up on him at at the at the hospital, and Clark's like he Clark tells him that, hey, I know the guy who shot him. It's part of your squad,

you know. And it's not the first time they've gone after you know, just your justice, you know, vigilante justice, right street justice. And then he confronts Me's like, who you're protecting? Right? You don't roll over on a badge, Chris not Ever, That's how I learned from this episode of Smallville. These guys have my back. Ben Well he ever tuned over one of your own sounds bad now, but we still have more episode that I do. Like what Clark says. He says, this is not

justice, and again that is the point of this episode. It's it's trying to say the right thing right, and it's it's some of the phrases they use are kind of lightning Rod phrases perhaps these days, but like it's heart is in the right, it's hard is always in the rice plates, right, even with Subterranean, which is like the everl equivalent episode. I compare this to where it's like, well, and if he's in this country illegally, then he needs to be deported. I'm like, whoa says says the

Hispanic chariff. He's like, well, he should have done it like my

parents did the right way, like God. But again, they were trying to make an analogy, right between Clark being in this country, like as an illegal immigrant for lack of a better term, right, they were trying to do something with that, and this episode they're trying to do something the fact of like, you know what, you have cops who are also acting like vigilantes, but they hate vigilantes, So where's the line there, right, And Clark is trying to juggle all these things and ultimately, again this

is not justice, That's the point. Yeah, Heart's in the right place. Could have done a little bit better. There's also a noticeable lack of diversity in the police squad. Well, they do shoot the one black detective. I was like, I didn't even realize that they even worse, God's sake. And then following up this scene, we get Oliver confronting Clark at the Kent Farm about you know, he throws he throws that, like, you know, one of those Green Arrow darts at him and he's like,

oh, the funk looks good on you. And he's like, they're not all bad, Oliver, like, you're not all bad, like you guys. It's the barrage of all these statements and phrases like all in in a short amount of time that I'm like getting overwhelmed by, honestly, but this is you take a step back and you'rek at it. Just in the small universe. These characters. I like how they have the different points of view on this, Like Oliver's very hard line about this. Superman's little more open

minded. Oliver's like, these guys are doing bad. They need to be punished, right, Uh, we found a guy in the river the other day. Probably your your buddies, did the guy that the guy that John Jones arrested in the beginning, Yeah, that's who they found in the river. And Superman is like, you know what, they were on the wrong path. We need to give him a chance. Like so this is a very you know, Green Arrow is you know what he can't have Batman,

You've Green Arrow. He's the Batman circuit. This is a Superman and Batman clash of ideologies of like how you deal with criminals. I think so on

that front. From that angle, the scene works. But again they throw these probably in those lasts, and you're like, like, hey, Ken, it takes me out of it. So what ends up happening is is Oliver's defending the situation and Clark is basically accusing Oliver being in that same situation and doing the same thing the police officer has done before, and he goes so far that Oliver basically asked him like, are you saying this is right? I thought I thought you, of all people would understand. I think

larger drops one of those, right. What I really like about these confrontations, specifically between Oliver and Clark, is they feel so strongly individually and from their own viewpoints, and they go at each other, and they always end up ending the scene with them still at odds, like they'll walk away without resolution. But as we'll see later in the episode, they both take what the other person said to heart. They actually they actually listen to each other,

even if it doesn't look like it here in these confrontation scenes. It's hard as a viewer because they're they're strap for time. It's a full TV show. They got to get these arguments in. They can't actually sit here and have full conversations. I always feel when these ends, like I would have said something more, like you just let Oliver walk away after he gets that. Last year, I would have said something more. He kept it

going. But I get that they can't always do that. Yeah, I mean that's the thing, Like, this is a an action adventure, young adult romance show, right, and it's not it's not breaking bad or something. They can't sit down. They can't. I mean on a show like that, you would have a twenty minute scene of these guys hashing this up, you know what I'm saying, like hashing these out. Clark stands on this is like, look, justice is not throwing people in a dark room.

It's about helping them find their way back to the light, you know, I think, And that's the difference between a superman and a batman, for example, their points of view on justice. So when you look at it from that termament, From that standpoint, I think it was a pretty

good scene. That's the strength of this episode too, is Clark helping people not necessarily just by using its powers, like helping them to come to the right conclusion, helping them to learn the right lesson and inspire hope, and you know, not necessarily as catching a bullet. Well, Oliver's the one as he does, he's like calling Clark in action, like how many more people you don't let die? You? It's funny that he's the one that says, you sit here and play detective. You know, I'm gonna make

sure your boys don't put another person in the hospital. So's they're they're kind of mixing up perhaps what what what the generic you know, Superman response would be in the generic Batman response would be in this situation. But Oliver and he's pretty pissed about the whole thing. He storms off, and you can tell that they're like, it's it's very unresolved, as you said, and I like that. Well, they're both they're both strong willed, prideful.

They need to take a step back before they can start to really listen to each other. But then, what do you think about Dan Turpin's selling out Clark to uh to Talbert here it fits in line with that how he was early, I mean, his brotherhood. He knows he's not one of them, so he's got to protect his own I mean, he looks pretty upset about him, and he's upset about the whole situation. He's not like happy

about having to sell him out. But he makes a couple of calls and he easily finds out, Like, like, what do you think like the Chloe just invents some fake resume, Right, this is easily and he knows that he is Clark Kent, reporter from the Daily Planet. If only he had glasses, glad they would never recognize him. Chris, but hey, blue shirt, red jacket plus one because clarkson Superman mode. He's at Simmons. There's no setup for this, right, because you're like what, it's

kind of like out of context. You're like, what is going on here? You find out later Clark made a comment earlier on that he had it narrowed down to either Tilber or Simmons. Okay, so he's checking out Simmons's place, but this is something something were like, this was a trap they set for him, gus in the trunk, but now his fingerprints are all over it. Right, Ah, you're under you're under arrest for the attempted murder of John Jones. Right, and he looks at Uh, he looks

at Turpin. He's like, you set me up. So what do they do, like just stake out all of the other cops houses a certain the off chance that the reporters in the show up. Well, No, what I'm saying is Turpin probably called him like, hey, you're right, I got to the bottom of it. It was Simmons go to his house, and then they're all in waiting there. That wasn't clear. No, it was not there at all. No, maybe just like a tax message or

something like. They try to like they probably thought it would be too obvious, right, Well, honestly, what they should have done they should have taken out the scene where Turpin confesses to Talbert like, hey, I found out who he is, right, you should have Instead of that, you have Turpin called Clark like, hey Clark, I thought about what you said. Uh did a little digging. It's Simmons, here's his address, meet

me there, we'll take him down together. Clark shows up, finds the gun, they all move in, and then it's obvious and then he has the conversation because he because because Talbert even says to Turpin like you're the right thing, you know, yeah, it could have been that reveal. It's it's not clear, like they made him show up in a pseudo Superman suit, exploring using his actually a vision to look around. I don't think he was expecting to meet Turpin there, Yeah, because you because he would have.

He would have been the cop he would anyway, even as even when he goes to see him later at the end, he's not wearing You're hey, you're just like the red blue blur, just like my son. We'll get we'll get to that later. But oh man, but this is where he, uh, Talbot tills Turban like your hands have been too clean for too long, anny boy. Because so that's important because it establishes that Turbin has not crossed the line like some of these other guys have. So that's

important. But he says, you're gonna be the man who killed the green arrow Dot dot. Don't cut the commercial, So go to commercial. We come back and they have taken that the junkie they arrested earlier, check offs junkie. They set him up, they're paying him off here. They'll pull him out on the street. They're gonna like brutalize him to get the attention of the Green Arrow so they can draw him in and kill him. They're using him his bait. It's a good thing. The Green Arrow was in

the neighborhood and he calls him the arrow. He's like, how do you know the Arrow is gonna show him? Like, oh, they called him the arrow like the first instance of its mumble always did it first. So the guy's like hell, but he's like it starts beating him up, and

somebody helped me. And then he pulls, you know, one of the dudes pulls a gun out all on him, shoots it, and then they're waiting for for Oliver, who, as you said, they're lucky that he was kind of in the area, you know, because Patropolis is a big city enough to hear the gunshot. I think the gunshot was what's supposed to

draw him in. Right. Well, you know, you say, people don't need a savior, but every day I hear people crying for one, okay, And so of all the crimes the Green Arrow heard that night, he chose to stop this one. And it's funny how like he stops it and the guy runs off and he's like, you're wool, Well, we know we know why he was really there because he was actually exploring. He was actually looking into those officers. Oh you think you think he was just

following them, tagging them. Oh yeah, he told Clark he was gonna go do something about it so they couldn't kill somebody else. I'm sure he was. So they were both trying to you know, he was after them. They were after him fair enough, fair enough. I think that's why in reality it makes sense that he was there. But when you think about their plan to draw him in, their playing sucks. If he wasn't looking

into them, Well they're playing, they're playing really sucks. They're gonna have Danny Hyde in the in the stairwell and shoot the green air when he shows up. But mean while, you got a guy on the roof with who's not going to pull the trigger until it's very clear at the end that nothing's

going to happen. Well, I think it's the redundancy, like he wanted Turpin to like cross the line, because that's the thing, right, It's kind of like you knows Batman begins right, Like Gordon doesn't take them, he's not on the take, so that he makes them uncomfortable, like Danny hasn't got his hands there like the rest of them, so that makes them

feel uncomfortable. Right, so they're like, Okay, we gotta make this guy a cross the line so then he'll be in the same boat as we are, right So, but then the redundancy rights him with the sniper up top. Right. But then, hey, to Oliver's credit, even though him and Clark were at OZZ, he takes the harper Clark said and tries to talk this guy down. He's like, it's not too late for you. You don't have to do this, and you know this is a no

kill finale, if you will. He talks Turping down and he's like, I got a sounder home. He's like, yeah, when you're ask your boy what you did tonight, you tell him he killed him man in cold blood. I'm like, oh, you got him green arrow. Yeah. I like that. I like what Oliver did there, and because sometimes that's what you need. You need that perspective, right Yeah, And it came from a guy that he didn't trust and didn't expect to be a good guy

that would that would do that for him. He probably thought, this guy's gonna I need to shoot him, Quaker, he's gonna take me down. He's like, pull the trigger and prove Clark row right, because he named drops Clark and be a real hero man. He's like, man, if this is what you need to do to find yourself, just just do it right. And he can't do it to their credit, right, I mean obviously it's Dan Turpin's compact character. I would hope they wouldn't make him up.

Like what they could have done was him shoot him and like he had he had his vest on right, his dear point. This whole episode, they've been talking about bullproof vest. Right, are you telling me the Green Arrow to have bullproof vest? Well, you would assume the suit is bulletproof, right, Yeah, but no, we've seen him get shot through it, haven't we. I think you're right. Oh my goodness. Anyway,

but then you know Turpin a size not to shoot Green Arrow. But then we see the red sniper dot on Turpin and and uh, Talvert's gonna shoot him. So Oliver has to tackle him into to the ground. And then and then Talbert calls in. He's like, dispatch the Green Arrow assaulting officers. So he's gonna call everybody and to hopefully kill kill the Green Arrow. But because he calls us in. It goes over the APB and Clark hears this when he's in like the back of the last car, so he just

speeds off. I like that. I like a little bit of dialogue you hear from the police officers that have him to show that there's still it's still people that are also in on it took him. I mean, well they were, they were on the scene. But oh I knew Danny couldn't do it. Well, No, that that's that's good to see. Also that establishes for Clark that like whatever like they wanted Turpin to do, he didn't do right. So when Clark shows up on the scene not knowing what's going

on, he has that information. So I think that's that's an important piece uh there as well. But it turns out there like like Talbert actually just shoots he actually when shoots like Turbin, like in the leg or something or no, in the arms, shoulder arm Okay, yeah, he's wearing the guy's arm in a sing. Later and when he's stupidly just runs out into the open, he gets hit. He gets hit in the shoulder and falls.

But I like this where like we see through the scope. Right, we see like, you know, the sniper in the scope, and then we just see the blue you know, and it's Clark in the way. I'm like that. It's such a Superman moment right there. Right, Yeah, talk about red blue blur that everyone's talking about. You show up in red and blue and you show the guy that you could take a bullet because

you're wearing your vest. You said, always wear a vest, right, because he shoots some like point blank range, and that's not exactly how little proves work. Like you still feel some impact, like he would you get knocked down, especially being in point blank that you're so I didn't even think about Deckers. You're so right about it. He should have just kept in the cop outfit the whole time because they're aware of the red blue blur.

When you see this guy show up like it's it's episodes like this that makes it so much more obvious because he hasn't worn it the entire episode. He's been undercover and he's working. Even when he's at home, he's wearing the gray shirt, white sleeves, and then later on he's wearing a suit just like he was wearing a suit with Lana. He puts on the blue shirt, red jacket just for these moments. Yeah, which would make sense if he's out, you know, saving people and doing his thing. But this

is specifically to explore these cops that he is hiding from. Yeah, Like, if this sort never so to Lowis and Clark, Clark Kent would be the undercover cop and then Superman would show up and do these things right, right, But there's just Clark Kent here with no disguise. I mean we've even seen it Lois and Clark. You've seen him dress up and not Superman too, like he's worn like a ski mask or uh oh yeah, that's

good point. Yeah when what when he had to break into like a jewelry store or something that's funny, but they had that you know, presence of mine, he'd be like, people are going to see who I am? So anyway, um, we get one last it's a you know, it's heart's in the right place, but it just like struck me. When Turfing like has the other cop you know, arrested and all the cops show up,

He's like, whoa hold your fire? Good guys, all right, we understand what you're saying, Smallville, But Clark sees this fro far away and he has a smile. He's like, okay, turp into the right thing, and and there we go. Right, So then we cut to commercial and we come back and Metropolis General Hospital again and Phil Morris gets something to do again. The episode's back. This is a good final scene.

It kind of a it's Marsha, Man, Hunter, Oliver, and Clark all talking and this is kind of you mentioned earlier, kind of subtly reinforces like maybe we should be more of a team because we've kind of lost our way. We need it. We're stronger together, right, Yeah, And this would have been a good final scene. Unfortunately it's not the final scene. But now the conversation between them talking about the contrast of what they said before, like well, we do better on our own, let's go do

it. Clearly that didn't work. If they'd work together, and maybe it would have been resolved a little sooner, or maybe if they'd work together instead of like John Jones working on his own not bringing Clark in early enough. Well, I like who he says that he Clarks, why didn't you tell

us about this? And he's like the same reason, why, I you know, you let your guard down last night, or or why you know I had to wait till last minute to save you Pride, And I'm like, that's a good that's a good answer because you always ask like, why don't these heroes help each other out all the time? And that's a good answer. I buy it. He sells it so and he says too, he's so used to he's had the power, he's had all these powers before.

He thought he was kind of untouchable, thought his bulletproof. But it's hard to hard to not accept that to live a normal life after you haven't before. That sounds like such a great concept for TV show, Chris, did you okay? In season eight? Right, he has lost his powers. We have no indication that he's gonna get him back, did you? I mean, did you assume the Marha manhover when they get his powers back on Small Miller trying to place myself where I was back then thinking about it.

Because he was the main character. I thought maybe it would come back somehow, Yeah, or at least a recurring character. Well yeah, recurring. Well, I think that the problem is, I mean, they running the same problem on Supergirl, where it's like, well, we have Marshian Manhunter around and he's like one of the most powerful, you know, beings anywhere. That's I love that on h I love that line from Supergirl where

it's like one of the most powerful beings on this planet. You know who said that Superman is talking about Martian man Hunter and that really places because he is, I mean, he's his weakness is fire, which is like, you know, I love what DC new Frontier is, like, your weakness costs a penny, so watch out, my Batman tells him. But he's he's Superman, but he's even more powerful because he can phase through things,

he can shape shift, he can read minds. So I understand why they wanted to remove him off get him off the board for small Ville because he's not even Superman yet. So I think that this was a clever loophole to do that. Supergirl never solved that problem. I remembered David Harrd was on Inside of You with micro wasn't mom. He's always talking about, yeah, this has had me in some like necklace or taking away that fires all the

time. It was so true because like you can't have him outshine Supergirl, right, that was Superman problem. Super Bowl they can't have. And I understand it because it's she's the title character, and that painted him in a corner a lot of time. So anyway, I understand why they took his powers away. I mean, at this point, we thought some of them might end this season, so I'm like, Okay, well, I guess

one day we'll just assume he gets his powers back. But I didn't know, and I never I never thought we would see a comic book accurate full of Martian Castle either, even if it was for like two seconds. Two seconds, Yeah, get lem over with that, Smallville. But you know what all that to say, season nine is a good season for Marsha Man Hunter rights. You know, for all all my like that cemented him as being like in my memory of being like man, he was an integral part

of this show because he does. There's a lot of the absolute justice checkmate, lots of awesome stuff for him in season nine. But like, uh, yeah, I think I don't or off the check But this might be the last time we see him before season nine. Chris, I'll be anxious to listen along and we'll find out together. I could look it up right now, but I'm gonna choose not to so Um, but they tied him

so together the hair. Clark's talking about how like you know that that brotherhood they can make you feel like you can do anything, you know from the cops, and he's like, I that's a good feeling, you know. And this is them talking about like maybe we should get back to that. Let me cut to uh Luther Corp. Test giving her a goodbye notice to Lex, this is the scene I've been talking about for so long. It's like, I'd love to use of a bitch. See this would be a

good final scene. Also, well, do you like you prefer all these before the other finals? Yeah? Well, the the actual final scene needed just to not exist, you know, like that would have been fine. But Tests looking in a mirror Um talking to Lex knowing that he's been watching everything she says, and does that you know, then he seems some interesting things, hasn't he? As hinted on by what happens when as soon as she finishes giving the speech, because that's where my mind first goes to,

when do you think about all the things that Lex might have seen? I like how they have this necklace right that she has this kind of like it's a switch to kind of interrupts the signal, and I was like, oh cool, she's got to wear this necklace. And I know she does for at least one more episode, but then they probably drop it, much like Lanta's Kryptonite necklace. Right, we gotta pay attention for a throwaway line where

she had it removed or something. Yeah, let's pay attention. But she she you know, she says like, you're going to see your company fade away and resources dry up and be cut off from the world and goodbye Lex and she hits the buttons like signal jammed, right, And then it's after that she says, I love you, you son of a bitch, And I'm like, wouldn't she say that to him? No, you don't want

to give him the satisfaction now when she says that. When she says that, Chris in two thousand and nine, when you're watching this episode, what were you thinking the same thing I was thinking? In uh, Empire strikes back that they're playing it for romantic Like she's crying and it's like I loved you and she idolized him. Right, they had a close relationship. I

wasn't as tied into the message board it's early on watching the show. I don't know if there was already speculation that she might be related to him right now because she was a miss test Maker. Mercy Graves comment, right, that's the tests Mercer Hello, Right, So, uh, Mercy Graves. Very very interesting character who has been underserved and a lot of versions of Superman unfortunately, and I would love to see whatever the new Lex Luther is.

I hope she he has a Mercy Graves by his side and doesn't blow her up immediately saws nearly. I was like, oh cool, Takamoto from The Wolverine is Racy Graves. I can't wait to see her in this new Superman franchise. Oh never mind, but she's a very interesting character who I would like to see like a proper version of her as opposed to small vel, which is like amalgamation. Um. She has his loyalty to Lex. I don't think it's necessarily romantic or anything, but they had that obviously Miss test

Mocker like devoted to Alex in the Christal Reef films. That's who this character was. So there was no like contributor or trust to Latona Luther. No. That's the season ten total invention well and this one. Essentially she she is murder scret is just with the name tests because she's for all intentsive purposes, she's the the She could be his bodyguard, like like Mercy is like well trained, handles all his dirty business, knows all that's going on.

That's how I saw it. A great timing. Oliver shows up right and uh says Mercy. Yeah. She she quickly collects herself because she's been growing, like Cassie Freeman is so good, Like she is so good in this role on this show, Like I say it every time, but it's like, I like, this could have gone so wrong. Job parallels to our friends and Arrow talking about the actor playing Prometheus about how he carries the show because he's so good. He carries a role that could have failed. Yeah,

this role here as a replacement for Michael Rose, Momlex Luther. You've talked about this on your podcast a lot already. She knocks it out of the park. So Oliver comes in. She's like, we're when her dinner, we're going to discuss a merger. And he's like, oh, a merger, And then she turns around. She kind of has this wicked smile. She's like any kind you want, and I'm like, oh, is this business or pleasure or both? Maybe maybe you take the necklace off or

that don't keep me waiting. I'm like, Yeah, they're gonna merge companies and merge bodies before this night is over, I believe, right, And that works because of the history they have, right, Like so I I that's the thing I realized on the shoe. I ship Oliver with everybody. I think he's great with Lois. I think he's great with Tess. Ironically, you think he's like Chloe and him is probably the least of those three fairings. Right. This is where we tend to disagree a lot is on

what we think should happen to Chloe. You and I. I was never I was never a Clark Hlly whatever, Chloe and Clark shipper. Yeah. I liked her with this version of Jimmy and Persue. I don't know if I see. I don't think she fit well with all of her. It didn't matter for me. Well, no, that's what That's what I'm saying of the ones I just listed off, like Oliver and Tess, Yes, Oliver and Lewis, Yes, Oliver and Chloe I mean, I like you

from Chloe's and like being a Chloe family. Good she did just getting like Chloe getting a happy ending. But yes, with the equivalent of Batman in this universe, which is like the next best thing to Superman um because she is like integral to everything in this universe. Right, but I never did come out of nowhere, you know. But and then but you see all this, like I love that. I just love the chemistry he has with Erica Rantz and Cassidy Freeman and anyway, it just it works with either one

of them. Fast forward to season ten. Who's all around? Still? You have Lois, you have Tests, you have ye Canary, all them Oliver, we we just we got almost no interactions between them, right, maybe we good had something that well obviously justin Harleian his chemistry with everybody, So I'm sure if they had pursued the Black Canary, course, well they had less than plutonic messaging those emails ver just pot But anyway, my point is, like I love like the I love the double entendree. We're gonna

have a merger any kind you want. And they go off on their night and good for y'all. And then we pan down to test his desk and his Lex Luthor declared dead. We get the picture, rosa mom will take a screenshot of that tragic finale to a turbulent life. That's that's for sure, and that's where the episode ends. That's supposed to be damaging for him. But being declared dead wouldn't that kind of give him a little bit of freedom? I don't know. Maybe she can use that to claim all of

his money and assets. Well, I don't know. And this is what I wanted to ask you, So, like you're a Lewis and Clark fan, Yes, how do you think Wilson Clark did with the death and return of le Xuther versus Smallville? Which time? Okay? Well, I think Lewis and Clark did it better because John Shay came back as Lex for a handful of episodes and they carried on that story. It wasn't like a last minute I'm here for a day. Let's tack this on right, right.

And I believe that I believe that that Lex would be enticed to give up everything to have the woman he couldn't have Like this, Lex, I don't I don't see him necessarily foregoing a life of luxury and power and all that just just to have well Lois Lane like and Lewis and Clark so that in this reality. So yeah, so that that wouldn't fit a lot better for me. I think they him in the lat better. But also maybe they didn't have to worry about how are we going to get the actor backer?

Now? Yes, I mean they had an understanding clearly like hey, I'll come back once or twice a season, and that was fantastic and uh the only thing. I mean, I love the Lewis and Clark like. So he's my second favorite after John She's my second favorite after Michael Rosamom. I just his plans devolved into like well, I just want to marry Lewis. Like it's that's that's it, Like, you know, to your point, I'm gonna give up all this stuff just to you know, I guess that's

all he had left at the end. But it's like, come on, man, I was hoping for like higher aspirations, Like well, I get it. I mean, who wouldn't want to, you know, be with Wes Lane. But it's like, look, man, like your Superman's arch nemesis. But still like when he came back like he found out Clark's identity, right, he went after the Kins, right, did all kinds of

stuff. I've been on Lois and Clark's the new podcast of Superman with our friend Matt Trucks, and we talked about that, and so I really enjoyed whenever he came back on the show. And Yeah, ultimately, just having the actor willing and able to come back allows you to do so much more in these because it's like, oh, look, he's his body's in that frozen case over there, right, or he's in jail right now. Like that allows you to kind of keep Luther. Network news is around Luther Corby,

his ex wives and sons coming out of woolwork right. Even though he wasn't around, his presence repels on the show, and it never felt like a cheat because he would come back and right out and then right this in retrospect, this is all of cheat because he was never coming back and they just they went full speed ahead acting like he was. I think I almost

think it would have been better. Everything would have been paid off by and having a bald head with wires hooked up to it talking picture of me if they didn't have the death that they end up having for him spoiler alert, Yeah, that'll be that'll be interesting discussion. But but I see that's what

I'm saying. I'm thinking that, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying earlier about like they're flushing out this test backstory to kind of fill in some stuff because they're never gonna get that explanation they want because I feel like, you know, Requim just a couple episodes away, and Rosamond was the idea was he was going to be the voice at least in that and then that fell through too, So I think at that point they were like,

you know what, he's never coming back. We just gotta wrap this up. Like they probably figured, like it's it's untenable, Like we can't just having these headless Superman cameos forever in our movies, TV shows, you know what I mean. Like it's the same thing. Like they were like they decided they had to do something definitive and move on from it. And I've

said this before on record, and we'll see how it holds up. But of like season nine, maybe my favorit season is so good and ironically that's the one, one hundred percent Luther free season also free of another person that we're gonna talk about more in this episode. Uh yeah, unfortunately we've one more scene. Um and let me I've I've been I've been kind of trashing

this a little bit today. I was all about Clark and Lana up until probably season seven, like the seasons, having having it wrap up there, having them actually get to be their relationship and know the secret and interact some great scenes there. I liked that. I just don't like that it came

back romantically. I would have been fine with I said it earlier. I would have been fine with her coming back if it was as a friend, as someone who knows you can trust, just not the romantic derailment of Lewis and Clark. You know, Chris, you were talking so hard about how this could have been the last scene, or this could in the last scene, or this could be the last scene. We almost skipped a scene.

The wrap up with Dan Turpin his family actually all right, the whole point of this episode, right, So Clark, he's back at Dan Turpin's place. His son is running around dressed up and Clark's like, well, you're the Green Arrow. He's like, no, I'm Robin hood. I thought it was a joke, but it was actually serious. Yeah, he's like he's a bad People think he's a bad guy, but he isn't. Right ties together with what's going on there? Um, they're doing an inquest,

right, Dan Turmin is going to be cleared. Um, but he you know, he asked him. But see, and this leads to the law of scene right, this scene right, because he asked him about like your home life balance, right, and that's kind of the thing you were getting at, right, Yeah, how do you do what you do knowing that you're putting your wife and kids through this like that they might never have you come home to them. Do you have someone like that Clark, someone who

makes it all worth it? Yeah, she's in Star City right now looking up for her brother in law, her cousin in law. Right, Nope, not her, somebody else. Um. But this is much like much like Maxima earlier in the season, like, oh, this is a character that you bring back the Dan Turpin, Like, these are combat characters you're introducing, great, bring it back later. I mean Maximo if he doesn't come back, okay whatever, right, but he kind of the door was

open there, you kid, do something else. Dan Turpin absolutely shud come back. Like how many crime scenes were they at? Right? Oh, I have a I have a contact in the police department, my buddy Dan Turpin, Like, how many times could that have been mentioned? I don't think this guy's mentioned at all the rist of the show. Chris and I'll have to keep our ears open, but I don't think he is. I don't think so either. What a waste this that can blow me away?

Like I wasn't like, oh God, we gotta see more of this guy or whatever. Like the story was cool. I understand the point of it. The actor was fine, Like, but there's nothing like begging to revisit this guy. But knowing that he's a character in the comic books in the future, I was like, well, absolutely, you would bring it back.

And it's just so odd that he was never even mentioned. Same with Maggie Sawyer, Like if next time John Jones shows up, right, have Dan turpret with him their partners now, right, Yeah, it falls in line perfectly the way this episode set up. And definitely get Maggie story back to your point too, like get all these people back. I don't I don't understand it, but but see. So this is why through this conversation with Dan Turf and Clark decides that, you know what, maybe he can't

have it all after all. Yeah, just like when he was fourteen. Yeah, he goes to the Tallenge, she's working the coffee machine there. He's like, oh, it's slack for fourteen again. I'd do like your line where he's like, oh, I couldn't sleep, so you thought you'd get some coffee. That's funny. Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of dialogue. This episode is very witty with with tests with Clark because Chloe's on all the way. They've just they've switched, They've they've crossed

Chloe out, and they've broke culture references. That's the key. How is a lot of have better dialogue than Chloe this episode? Chris, I'm like that, you know that's what it was. Chloe was just in the one scene. Yeah, oh but this is this is you know the remember the season ten trailer for Smallville. We're like with the song from I called the song from Mulant Rouge. But you know there was a boy right all that this dialogue is in there, right, She's like, Clark, the world

needs you he's like, what about what we need? Right, And that's this scene where they're just like, you know what, forget all that, let's get back together and they kiss and it's like, what am I in season two now Smallville? I like that? Why did you do this show?

That's what I like a lot about a lot about Lois Lane is she needs Clark, like she needs him, but she also does it need him as much in a way not making sense here, but she needs him in a way that they that they make each other better and like she can go off and do her own thing and not be dependent on him, but also she internally is dependent on they have that relationship. Lana has always been I need everything for me, like like secrets, and you can't keep secrets to

me. I deserve to know as much as you, be involved in as much as you But then to that point, she doesn't support when they're together. She's not supportive of Clark. She's kind of toxic and reality for it. And then here he's trying to give up his sacrifice for the greater goods so he can have a little bit with Lana, but she knows it's never going to be what she needs out of it, and let's not forget her

objective here is to get a superpowered suit so they can be equals. That this is, this is this next episode of Power goes way into that territory about like what her motivations are, but her thinking the me equals like, oh, we're both super heroes, and like, no, you can be

equals and not be that. I mean, Lois and Clark are equals, but they're different, right, and that's fine, that's good actually that they're not exactly the same, and that a lot of us understands that she thinks that all the reason all this stuff didn't working for is that we weren't we both didn't have superpowers. Like, no, that's not the reason, and that's what I was hoping for, And that's what so disappointing about season eight

bringing her back. Let's have a mature conversation and understanding of why we didn't work and we were young love, but we're not those people anymore unless we move on with our lives and you know, we can still be supportive of

each other. But whatever. That's that should be the lesson of a show about coming of age and growing up, right, But they totally mofft on that, and then of course we get what we get where she becomes scriptinite at the end, and that's the only reason they're not together, and we'll get there. But it's like they missounded her on every parcel away in these these last two or three episodes she was in, unfortunately, and all it

does is add detriment to Clark's character for the pushing up of her. She becomes a superhero from this, as we see in season eleven comics, she's, uh, well, I don't even remember she has She's in like Africa, and she has a name, like a superhero esque name. No, I don't think it's that. I think it's like the I thought she's like like the Angel of the Knight or something like that. I think that. I mean the title of that comic book miniseries was Valkyrie, so that's why

I think that's what her name is. But anyways, but everything is to make Lana better and more powerful and stronger, but it essentially takes away from Clark's character because he the only reason he's not with her is krypton Ite, not Lois, which they've they've they've already gotten to that point in this season a couple episodes ago. But you know, I never thought then we'll be back here in the town and have Clark and Lanna kids saying like halfway through

the season name of smavel right, never say never. A lot of even says you see that, like it's a good thing that they're fourteen. I'm like, yeah, I agree with that sentiment, right, and he right, Clark does say here He's like, all I've done the last year sacrifice myself and everything. I love him, Like the last year, maybe like six months. I think are rounding up Clark to make your point, But I don't know. He has shown so much maturity. But he's also not

really sacrificing everything. He's got a job, he's dedicated to the job, and we know from side commentary and stuff he's doing a lot with Lois, a lot of reporter work. That's not sacrificing yourself for the greater good. He used to sit across from this woman, their love with each other,

everything be real, Clark. He's sacrificed Chloe's knowledge of his secret. I don't think Chloe ever knows that Clark had he remember you raised well, like Lana said, and Bride's probably for the best, because she'd be mad. I would never forgive you for that, but you know, you know what's well, I never forgive you for this, for getting Clark and Latta back together at the end of this episode, and the worst is yet to come.

Jones's fighting for his life. I'm not gonna let who ever did this hide behind the badge Clark can you're under a rescue attempt to murder the check of Joe This Thursday at eight seventh Central. Bulletproof got a seven point eight out of ten on IMDb and Neil Billy from the Superman homepage, you give a day one out of five lava having to do with Lana of course. But Chris on the letter Great Scale, what would you give Bulletproof? Well, uh, I had this on the list of my top ten favorite episodes

a while back when you asked for some input on that. Okay, okay. I thoroughly enjoyed the comic book references, Turpin Hamilton, just all of it. Um. I enjoyed Clark doing things not necessarily with his powers, but of course everyone likes to see some super saves too. I think the test storyline is great too. I love the idea that Lex would do this to her and being a faious that she finds out this way, and it's kind of a turning point. I'm gonna give it a B plus. I

think I enjoyed it a lot of stuff. Trying not to judge on what's going to come just based on this episode alone, that's fair. I'm gonna even be minus so probably Bulletproof gets an average of a B from the duo of us. You know, there's some good stuff in here. Again, him to tackle a real world issue is admirable, but the execution is flawed, especially just some of the terminology they have chose to use back then and what it especially means today. He can't help but have your intended out for

that sort of thing. But overall, enjoyable episode. Again the comic book factors. I mean, you're bringing in Dan Turpin, you're bringing in doctor Hamilton's like, thank god, doctor Hamilton gets more play than Dan Turpin here because doctor Hampton he's, like I said, he's got like four lines or something right, and then he's gone. But I think, god they bring it back longer. What a waste he would have been. There must be two I mean, I still like the first Doctor Hamilton, because I love

Joe Morton. I mean, who doesn't Silas Stone from Justice League fantastic playing the same guy, always building cyborgs and dabbling in technology he shouldn't be. But but no, some good stuff there. And yeah, the test stuff is good. Uh, they're doing the best they can with it. They had to work with. They don't have access to Michaelrosam, I don't have

access to Lex Luthor, so they're the best they can. Her stuff as Lana is actually pretty interesting, I think, and then a lot of being, you know, seeing herself in tests and kind of setting her on a better path. That's great. An episode like this, I guess would somewhat be. I don't want to use the word filler, because there are some main story lines that get driven through, but it's not like the a plot of the series of the season with Doomsday. You're missing a lot of your

main characters like Jimmy and Lois and Doomsday. But for what it does, it's it's not egregious and that it's filler. Yeah, And as I said off the top, John Jones is here, Phil Morris love him, criminally underused over the course of this series so there you go. A B minds for me, a B plus from you. Let's go to the tally board.

We have a plus one for a blue shirt red jacket that brings us day three, a plus one for episode titles said an episode bulletproof that brings us to sixty six, and we have a plus one for hospital visit for Detective John Jones that brings us to one hundred and twenty three. Bechtel tests. We have some great dialogue scenes here between tests and lineup, but they're all about lex so Bechtel tals fail there, all right, Chris Well,

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