Yesterday, we received news via Deadline about a One Tree Hill reboot coming to Netflix, with Hilarie Burton Morgan, Sophia Bush and Danneel Ackles producing the series and reprising their roles from the OG. Of course, we had to record an emergency podcast to unpack this! We chat about our complicated feelings about this. Will it do the characters justice? What about Haley? How would it continue if some of the original cast were not to return? How are they navigating the fact that He Who Shall N...
Aug 31, 2024•45 min
We’re ready to PAR-TAY at the Scott house! In our discussion of S4E14: Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers, we unpack Dan’s motives in getting close to Lucas and Karen, Nathan’s visit to Deb in rehab and our conflicting feelings about what he says to her, Leyton’s healthy and trusting relationship, and Peyton and Brooke’s slow reconciliation. Kaitlyn swoons over Leyton’s redo of the scene from season 1…but they still get interrupted and she desperately wants them to finally have their moment! We also dis...
Jul 02, 2024•1 hr 17 min•Ep. 91
Content Warning: Many tears are shed during our discussion on this fan-favorite episode, S4E13: Pictures of You! We unpack all of the labels and even label ourselves as how we would’ve been seen in high school. We dissect the heck out of all the different character pairings, including how fun it is to see Haley and Skills together, why Peyton doesn’t get to share anything with depth, and why Bevin and Rachel are even included in this episode (although, we do love Bevin’s speech!). We also touch ...
Jun 18, 2024•1 hr 45 min•Ep. 90
IT’S TRICKYYYYY! In our episode on S4E12: Resolve, we discuss Nathan’s strip dance to raise money, how refreshing it is to see Leyton so happy, and Brooke’s new experiences with Chase, which are so different from any other guy she’s been with before! We also unpack the Clean Teens crisis, the calculus test scandal and why the student council president (aka Brooke) is called into the meeting, Deb’s mental health crisis, and the fact that Dan is the absolute worst. We also reflect on the beauty of...
Jun 04, 2024•1 hr 2 min•Ep. 89
Join us as we enjoy some chicken noodle soup with extra noodle and discuss One Tree Hill S4E11: Everything in Its Right Place! We unpack the Clean Teens slut-shaming, Gigi’s breakup with Mouth (and wonder about the writing behind her character), Peyton’s fear of being left again, and Nathan’s big confession to Haley and the nuances of this storyline. We also share our frustration with Deb’s portrayal and her lack of character development and of course swoon over the Leyton scene at the very end!...
May 21, 2024•1 hr•Ep. 88
It’s an alternate reality in One Tree Hill S4E10: Songs to Love and Die By and we have very different opinions about this episode! Kaitlyn likes the episode’s structure and overall message, but Jeremy questions all the plot holes and whether another character would have worked better in Lucas’ role. Are you Team Kaitlyn or Team Jeremy?! We also discuss the heck out of Craig Sheffer’s return (yay!), Max the record store guy (ugh!), and Brooke and Peyton’s heartbreaking moment under the bridge. Be...
Apr 30, 2024•54 min•Ep. 87
Folks, we’ve FINALLY made it to S4E9: Some You Give Away, aka the State Championship episode! We discuss Lucas’ reaction to Peyton’s confession and the extra line that was added to the scene, Brooke actually failing calculus instead of Rachel, all the campy cheerleader scenes, and our two different views about Karen taking Deb to rehab. And of course we unpack the heck out of the Ravens’ win and Lucas making the final shot, Lucas and Peyton’s epic confetti kiss, and ALL of the action in the coda...
Apr 16, 2024•1 hr 10 min•Ep. 86
We may be a little unhinged in this episode on S4E8: Nothing Left to Say but Goodbye, but there is so much to unpack! We discuss if calculus is really a requirement in high school, our conflicted feelings about Dan and Karen finally making amends after all these years, and the growing divide between Brooke and Peyton, including the directing choices used with their characters in this episode. Kaitlyn shares that she’s officially over the love triangle between Lucas, Brooke, and Peyton, BUT Brook...
Apr 02, 2024•1 hr 19 min•Ep. 85
Join us for a rather loopy episode of Always and Forever (we apologize!) where we discuss ALL the icky storylines in S4E7: All These Things That I’ve Done! We continue our conversations that we’ve had all season so far…Peyton is traumatized and desperately needs therapy or support from her MIA dad, loan sharks should not take advantage of teenagers, and the fact that Mr. Chavez is a predator, but the show refuses to address it. On a lighter note, we discuss CariDee English’s guest role on OTH af...
Mar 19, 2024•1 hr 6 min•Ep. 84
We are coming in hot with the hot takes in our discussion of S4E6: Where Did You Sleep Last Night? First, we wonder where the heck all of Peyton’s friends are after the traumatic event in the previous episode and why therapy isn’t a critical aspect of this storyline (yes, we are a broken record!). We call out the real Derek for needing to have more empathy for Peyton, but appreciate the twist at the end with Derek secretly watching out for her. We also unpack the cringiness of the Brooke and Mr....
Mar 05, 2024•1 hr•Ep. 83
Kaitlyn and Jeremy provide an update on their lives and on the future of the podcast. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch ( @MissIReads ) and Jeremy Rodriguez ( @RodriguezJeremy ) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook @alwaysothpod or email us at alwaysothpod@gmail.com . Always and Forever is on Patreon! Join our community to gain access ...
Dec 05, 2023•2 hr 19 min•Ep. 82
Friends, buckle your seatbelts and get ready for a One Tree Hill horror show because we are discussing S4E5: I Love You But I’ve Chosen Darkness! We unpack the Psycho Derek storyline and how effective of a horror show it still is, the real Derek surprise, and Jeremy considers if the episode would have been even stronger if the WHOLE episode had horror themes, similar to what Dawson’s Creek did. Kaitlyn shares her hot take that it’s unfair that Haley tells Nathan she’s pregnant at the same time h...
Nov 21, 2023•1 hr 5 min•Ep. 81
It’s in the water, baby! We’re discussing One Tree Hill S4E4, “Can’t Stop This Thing We Started” aka the one where we learn that we have been gaslit into thinking Brooke (Sophia Bush) was pregnant when it was actually Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz)! It’s also when we get further confirmation that Derek (Matt Barr) has far from brotherly love for Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan); get introduced to Shelley (Elisabeth Harnois), the Clean Teens and some problematic anti-choice narratives; and DebRoe (Barbar...
Nov 07, 2023•1 hr 13 min•Ep. 80
Big news but keep it on the BLT! We are discussing the 69th episode of One Tree Hill! In S4E3, “Good News for People Who Love Bad News.” Everyone is really mean and annoying in this episode, especially Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Mouth (Lee Norris). As Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) connects with her half brother (Matt Barr), Rachel (Danneel Ackles) reveals that she knows who is pregnant! Meanwhile, Skills (Antwon Tanner) is doing incredibly well on The Ravens despite Whitey (Barry Corbin) keeping ...
Oct 24, 2023•1 hr•Ep. 79
Cooper (Michael Trucco) is alive and well…but your podcast hosts are not during their discussion of One Tree Hill S4E2, “Things I Forgot at Birth.” Listeners, we are not loving this season so far but we promise our discussion is great! As Brooke (Sophia Bush) celebrates her 18th birthday, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) tries to win her back. Meanwhile, Dan (Paul Johansson) is rattled with guilt and Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) is back on drugs again. Also, why does Karen (Moira Kelly) still have a crib...
Oct 10, 2023•1 hr 9 min•Ep. 78
Tree Hill is just a place somewhere in the world … maybe it’s a lot like your world. Maybe it’s nothing like it but if you look closer you might see someone like you or someone like Haley James Scott (Bethany Joy Lenz). If you’re married, a senior in high school and not sure if your husband is still alive, then I’d say your world is a lot like Haley’s. THIS IS RELATABLE! OK! We’re back with One Tree Hill S4E1: The Same Deep Water As You! In this episode, someone is pregnant; lives hang in the ba...
Sep 26, 2023•1 hr 7 min•Ep. 77
On Sept. 23, 2003, One Tree Hill aired its pilot episode on The WB and we were introduced to rival half brothers Lucas Scott (Chad Michael Murray) and Nathan Scott (James Lafferty) as they compete for a spot on the Tree Hill High basketball team and for the affections of Peyton Sawyer (Hilarie Burton Morgan). We wanted to celebrate the occasion by returning back to the beginning. In this audio commentary, we are rewatching season one, episode one along with YOU, the listener. While listening to ...
Sep 23, 2023•51 min•Ep. 76
Take us away because we’re celebrating the 20th anniversary of Freaky Friday (2003), the iconic Disney flick starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan as a mother and daughter who swap bodies and are forced to live in each other’s shoes. Throughout their day, they have their run-ins with school bullies, interesting therapy clientele, and love interests while navigating talk show appearances, wedding rehearsal dinners and band auditions. Buckle in for this episode because it starts off with Kai...
Aug 06, 2023•8 min•Ep. 75
We're excited to announce our first official book club, where we will be chatting about Hilarie Burton Morgan's memoir, " The Rural Diaries "! In our Discord server , we will have a dedicated channel where we can share our thoughts as we read (or re-read) and it will culminate in a video chat on Thursday, Aug. 10 at 7pm EST/4pm PST/ 6pm CST/2pm UK (which means, we can say "We'll be seeing ya" and mean it literally this time!). This club, which is available exclusively to our $5 patrons, will be ...
Jul 11, 2023•3 min•Ep. 74
We’re here, folks. It’s the end of the season that got Kaitlyn hooked on One Tree Hill and the end of the season that both of your hosts call their favorite season of the entire series. But our journey through this amazing teen drama is just beginning because S3E22, The Show Must Go On, leaves us with so many cliffhangers as Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) head to the altar! Will things ever be the same between Brooke (Sophia Bush), Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) and Lucas (...
May 30, 2023•1 hr 45 min•Ep. 73
It took longer to edit this episode than it took Brooke to make Haley’s wedding dress, so we hope you enjoy it! In One Tree Hill S3E21: Over the Hills and Far Away, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Karen (Moira Kelly) return home to Tree Hill as the gang prepares for Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley’s (Bethany Joy Lenz) wedding day. And Brooke (Sophia Bush) is somehow able to organize a rehearsal party (with skits!), make TWO wedding dresses, fight with Haley about the dresses, and go shopping w...
May 16, 2023•1 hr 25 min•Ep. 72
Hope we can alleviate the Sunday Scaries for you with our discussion on One Tree Hill S3E20: Everyday Is a Sunday Evening, a very strange episode that wants us to think that Lucas (Chad Michael Murray, who did not appear in this episode) is either super important or not important at all for the show (at least those are Jeremy’s thoughts). It’s the playoffs and Nathan (James Lafferty) tries to lead the Ravens to success against the undefeated Oak Lake, despite pressure from the team’s lead player...
Apr 30, 2023•1 hr 3 min•Ep. 71
Since this is our episode on One Tree Hill S3E19, I Slept with Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me, let’s write these show notes in the style of Fall Out Boy song titles. Here we go. This is the one where Hot Uncle Cooper (Michael Trucco) and his biceps return to Tree Hill and so does his sister Deb (Barbara Alyn Woods) and it’s super interesting for both of them because Cooper is apparently dating a 26-year-old model who is house-sitting for her parents b...
Apr 18, 2023•1 hr 5 min•Ep. 70
CW: Brief mention of suicide at the 17:20 mark. It’s a weekend full of riding ATMs, hot tubs, Brooking ourselves, marriage proposals, and making out with Pete from Fall Out Boy in One Tree Hill S3E18, When It Isn't Like It Should Be. Rachel (Danneel Ackles) brings the gang to her parents’ cabin in the woods and we finally get some fun moments with these characters after several episodes of trauma. Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz) repeatedly loses her wedding ring but little does she know that Nathan (Ja...
Apr 04, 2023•1 hr 10 min•Ep. 69
CW: This discussion on One Tree Hill S3E17, Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them, features themes of gun violence and grief. Please take care while listening. In the aftermath of the school shooting, the students of Tree Hill High grapple with the stages of grief (Or do they? This episode’s structure is v. messy!). Brooke (Sophia Bush) is feeling insecure about Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan), while not having a clue about the Leyton kiss in the library....
Mar 21, 2023•1 hr 55 min•Ep. 68
CW: This podcast episode includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying, mental health and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7. In this extension of our previous episode, we are joined by Gavi Kovacs, a forensic psychologist and fellow One Tree Hill fan, who helps us unpack the deeper themes of S3E16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept. ...
Mar 09, 2023•1 hr 12 min•Ep. 67
CW: This podcast episode on One Tree Hill S3E16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept, includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7. We’re finally here for one of the most important episodes of One Tree Hill. This is the one where Jimmy Edwards (Colin Fickes) brings a gun to school and holds variou...
Mar 07, 2023•2 hr 9 min•Ep. 66
CW: The spoiler segment features discussions on gun violence and mental health. This mix could burn a hole in anyone! Turn up the volume because we’re discussing Name Brand Orange Soda: The Musical aka One Tree Hill S3E15: Just Watch the Fireworks. We have so much to discuss with A Simple Alias ’ Bree Leach, who is joining us once again to discuss this full-circle moment! The time capsule is mysteriously released and the video recordings stream throughout Tree Hill High. While Whitey (Barry Corb...
Feb 21, 2023•2 hr 1 min•Ep. 65
Welcome to Act 3! In this special Patreon-exclusive bonus episode , we’re talking about the amazing “requel,” Scream (2022) from Paramount Pictures, which was shot in Wilmington, NC and yes that is why these One Tree Hill podcasters are covering it and celebrating 25 years of the Scream franchise! Twenty-five years after a streak of brutal murders shocked the quiet town of Woodsboro, Sidney Prescott (Neve Campbell), Gale Weathers (Courteney Cox), and Dewey Riley (David Arquette) ended Billy Loom...
Feb 10, 2023•14 min•Ep. 64
We are living in the moment at the Sparkle Classic and we have so much to discuss in our episode on S3E14: All Tomorrow’s Parties, written by the amazing One Tree Hill writer Anna Lotto! We chat about Lucas and Nathan’s storyline with the Battle family and wonder if it’s necessary, Brooke’s decision to go to the Sparkle Classic instead of staying at Rogue Vogue, Rachel tricking a drunk and grieving Peyton into bed with Lucas and Brooke later finding out about it, Skills paying back Bevin for Not...
Feb 07, 2023•1 hr 27 min•Ep. 63
