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10. America Didn't Send Its Best

Apr 04, 202340 minSeason 1Ep. 10
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When the FBI closes its net, several activists are arrested. And Zebb enters a criminal justice system that’s stacked against him. But has the FBI ignored a much bigger, much more real threat to America? And finally, Trevor tracks down the man in the silver hearse. 

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It's July twenty twenty one, and zeb Hal is going to work. Get out of my car, you know, working a nail net for a contract thirty bucks an Arrow'm fucking happy. It's been nearly a year since he's seen Mickey Windecker or really anyone involved in the protest scene. And walk back to my car because I forgot something came back out. Then I saw those letters as he's walking back to his car. Zepsi's a man wearing a blue jacket with three large yellow letters on the back.

He said, zebadiyas Hall. I was like, yeah, FBI. It was hard for me to hear anything else after that. And I'll just put my hands up in the air because I'm thinking these dudes are gonna just fucking straight up shoot me. I'm freaking out and shaking everything in my I'm like, fuck, you know, I'm you know, I'm no, I'm getting arrested. FBI agents search zeb and his car, they take his belt and his shoes. Then they take me to like this holding sale and I'm freaking walk out.

Zeb has just one question, was it Mickey. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and I heeart podcasts This is Alphabet Boys, Episode ten, America didn't send its best. Among the racial justice demonstrators in Denver, Trey Quinn is the only one who was really onto Mickey. I think he's

I think he's fucking suspicious. Trey had proposed a hypothetical idea to Mickey back in August twenty twenty, what if a neighborhood were set on fire, and Mickey told Tray that he knew some guys who could make that happen. Trey was smart enough to suspect that that's the behavior of a FED, but Trey never has definitive proof until the next month when he's arrested. I had the day off, and when I went back to work the next day, one of my courses like, Hey, yeah, the cops came

here looking for you and you weren't here. And I was like, and I was like, oh shit, here we go, Here we go. At the time, Tray's working out a

Sherwyn Williams. From inside through the windows, he sees a police cruiser pull up right behind his car in the parking lot, and I see two cops walking through the doors, and then two more walk through the doors, and then one more walks through the door and stands out the door, and they come up and they like to trade Quinn, you got one for your risk for insighting Ray and so on and so forth. And so I was like no protests, saying I lead no protests, which was true

at this time. What Tree means is that as the protests had become more violent with the attacks on the police stations, he had backed away. So Trey wasn't technically leading the protest any longer. And so then they cuffed me. We get outside and there's a Shillottle cop cars out there and tossed me in and whipped me away, just voiced me away. He and five other organizers are arrested

that day for activities during the demonstrations. In twenty twenty, Trays charged with inciting a riot, engaging in a riot, false imprisonment, and obstructing government operations. When I was being detained and questioned, they passed me off to the FITS. Trey is taken into an interrogation room. And so when the FETs came in the room and introduced themselves to me, Mickey was the first name that they dropped for Trey. Hearing the FETs mentioned Mickey from the very beginning. He

knew what that meant. They were trying to gauge his suspicion. I mean, why else would you do that? And so I said, what do you know about Mickey? And they said, well, we're trying to figure that out. And that's obviously a tell right there. And so I knew right then and there he's working with these guys. Prosecutors, after deliberating for nine months, eventually dropped all the charges against Trey. The five other protest organizers who are arrested also have their

charges thrown out. Their cases were bogus, but the damage to the movement is done. Mickey's operation in Denver is coming to a close as the FEDS, with the help of local officials, start hauling in some of the people he's been secretly recording. Well, they showed up at my house, they showed up at the park that I was at with my girlfriend and her daughter, and they showed up

at my best friend in's house. This is Bryce Shelby, the guy who discussed with Mickey and the FBI undercover agent a plan to assassinate Colorade as attorney general or was it the district attorney A vague plot that ultimately went nowhere. They said I was under investigation for pretty much saying that was gonna murder the attorney general. This was on November third, twenty twenty, the same day of the presidential election. The cops seemed on edge, so they

patted me down and shit like that. And it was really light first off, Like for your listeners, I'm not trying to be amusement and poke fun and no ship like that. But it was almost like they were still scared in whatever way. It was like they were still afraid, Like this motherfucker, he's still got something still, you know what I mean. It was weird. They take Bryce's assault rifle from his home, but they don't arrest him. Bryce

isn't being charged with a crime. Instead, local prosecutors use the evidence the FBI collected to ask a court to take away Bryce's gun for a year. Under Colorado's so called red flag law, Bryce is a potential threat to the community, prosecutors argue. Local media run with a story. His name is Bryce Jordan Shelby and this is his mug shot from twenty eleven. Law enforcement officials present Bryce's case as if the assassination plot was something a lot

more than it was. This is from the local Fox affiliate KDVR, as accuses Bryce Jordan Sidney Shelby I'm surveilling Attorney General phil Wiser's Hall. The twenty nine year old is now accused of plotting to shoot Attorney General Phil Wiser in the head, Planning to shoot the state's top law enforcement official in the head and quote does not care if a g Wiser's wife, dog, or children have to die in the process, and adhering to take away

Bryce's firearms. A Denver police detective testifies that the FBI had reached what he called an impasse and had not been able to build a prosecutable criminal case against Bryce. Probably gets a little blurred because I did say certain things. So that's whatever they're in some way to put it for intent and shit like that, you know what I mean. But yeah, not going through with any kind of plant payments and shit like that. Yeah, no, you know, I

mean no, zeb Hall isn't as fortunate. After buying a gun for Mickey and being there that strange night when Mickey recorded the video making threats and saying he wasn't a snitch, zeb backed away from all of it, and everyone, including Mickey, things had gone too far, had become too dangerous. The revolution that can wait, police say. Shelby, who self identifies with the Black Panther Party, also said he wanted to I woul eliminate the mayors and police chiefs of

Denver and Aurora. Zeb see's on the news that police have taken away Bryce Shelby's guns. Zeb's been very slow to come around to this conclusion, but by now he's finally beginning to suspect that Mickey's an informant. So and this is kind of bizarre given that suspicion. But Zeb sends a link to a local news article about Bryce to Mickey, and you know, that was when I text Mickey out of nowhere, gonna say that, you know, I guess fuck around, I'll find it out. And he says yep,

and kept it at that. That was in November twenty twenty months pass and in July twenty twenty one, out of nowhere, Zeb gets another text from Mickey. According to an FBI internal report, agents asked Mickey to reach out to Zeb an anticipation of securing an indictment against him and to determine his whereabouts, checking to see how you're doing, Mickey, writes. Zeb text Mickey that he's surprised to hear from him. He also says he's distanced himself from everyone who's participated

in the demonstrations. I think you're paranoid, lol. Mickey replies, nothing against you and your crew, but the past year was dangerous, Zeb writes. At this point, Zeb is scared of Mickey. Is he a snitch as people have claimed, or is he just some crazy, badass motherfucker? What if he comes looking for me? Zeb thinks I even bought a gun because I was just afraid of him. I was fucking terrified of this guy. Always kept it up

in my closet and everything. You know. I took it out with me a few times just because I was fucking afraid, kept it in my car. I don't know if that's legal or not, but I was just fucking terrified this human being. About two weeks after that out of the blue text exchange with Mickey, Zeb's at work and walks back out to his car. He sees a bunch of guys wearing FBI jackets. They're waiting for with

a federal indictment. Zeb's been charged with transferring a firearm to a felon, an offense punishable by up to ten years in prison and a fine of up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Zeb is about to enter a criminal justice system that's rigged against him more after the break. No doubt, the FBI was hoping for much more with Zeb, some sort of headline grabbing criminal case related to a bomb plot or a plan to kill a politician. But Zeb never moved beyond tough guy talk,

and tough guy talk isn't a crime. The FBI got Zeb on what's sometimes called a backup charge. FBI agents will often entice targets to commit lower level crimes, in Zeb's case, buying a gun for a felon, so that if the big case doesn't work out, at least they have something to show for all the work and all the taxpayer money poured into their investigation. In Zeb's case, there are two problems, and I think they highlight the

fundamental absurdity and unfairness at work here. The first is that Mickey and the FBI had engineered a relationship with Zeb in which Mickey was the alpha. Mickey portrayed himself as dangerous and violent. He had pictures of dead ISIS fighters on his phone when Zeb bought the gun for Mickey. How much of what he did was driven by fear of Mickey? And I'm thinking, oh, yeah, this dude is fucking crazy, But I don't think it hit completely that

he was complete fed at some points. But when he asked me to do that shit, I was like, whoa fuck. I knew I wasn't safe if I said no. And second, what Zeb did only happened because the FBI secretly enabled every step of the process. They gave him money to give to me. You know, right, so you use the So you basically use FBI money to buy a gun that essentially went back to the FBI. Yeah, your tax moment, Our tax moment. Zeb ultimately decided to plead guilty to

his felony case. This is not at all uncommon for an American in his position. The federal criminal justice system is designed to produce plea deals. Over ninety seven percent of all criminal convictions in federal court are the result of plea agreements. This is due entirely to the horribly lopsided risk of taking a federal criminal case to trial.

If Zeb had presented his case to a jury, pitting his overworked public defender against the limitless resources of the Justice Department, he would have risked spending up to ten years in prison. But if Zeb takes a plea deal, the Justice Department will recommend that he not spend any time in prison. I felt that if I fought it, they found some way to label me as a domestic terrorist, and so I figured, yeah, it's better to take the plea. Zeb has no real choice here. He's screwed. The house

always wins, well, maybe not always. The summer of twenty twenty, all that anger and fear, can we really say anything changed? Maybe? I mean there's been some accountability. In Aurora, Colorado, the police officers and paramedics responsible for the death of Elijah McClain, the unarmed black man who was injected with a lethal dose of ketamine. They were indicted on state criminal charges,

now a thirty two count indictment. Officers, a former officer, and two paramedics each face account of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. Four of the five also face assault charges, and a federal jury ordered the city and County of Denver to pay millions and damages to demonstrators who were injured by police during the protests. Denver has to pay up big time fourteen million dollars to twelve people over the police department's use of force during protest over the

murder of George Floyd. This civil case was the first in the nation to take to trial accusations of police brutality during the summer of twenty twenty. A jury ruled in favor of protesters today who say dept violated their civil rights and used excessive force when officers used tear gas and fired pepperballs at them back in twenty twenty oh and remember Colorado Springs gendercover cop with her pink hair.

Those activists got some results too. The city ended up settling a lawsuit with the family of the Von Bay who's fatally shot in the back by a police officer, for three million dollars. No doubt, public pressure and all those demonstrations played a role in making those small changes. In that way, Zeb and the other protesters accomplished something,

but it came at a cost. For Zeb. He's pleaded guilty to a felony charge, and with his sentencing hearing coming up, he's concerned that, despite assurances to the contrary, the judge could sentence him to prison for using the government's money to buy a gun for the government's agent, who then gave it to the government. On September seventh, twenty twenty two, zeb walks into the federal courthouse in Denver for a sentencing hearing. An hour later, he calls me, Hey,

what the d are you doing? Hey? Zeb, how are you add all right? Got a three years probation, They says, I could probably get off after one the probation, and the prosecutor they argued for three. My attorney argued for one.

But they kind of tied it to political events coming up, maybe the twenty twenty four election and any other events, because they directly brought up the January sixth incident, saying that, you know, it's the potential that if something like that happened again, mister Hawker just just swept up into it. So do you feel Do you feel good about it? Uh? No, dude, I don't. I don't deserve it, and I don't feel good that they want to cover up the fact that local, state,

and federal law enforcement caused violence here. I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good about it. So here's something interesting. During the hearing, Zeb's judge mentioned January sixth. Direction It's interesting because as the FBI and the Justice Department were focused on racial justice groups, they turned a blind eye to right wing extremists who ultimately stormed the

US capital. David Bowditch, the FBI deputy director who compared the racial justice protests to nine to eleven, had said just days before January sixth, that the bureau was ready to respond to any problems. Boutich and the FBI were, of course, proven very wrong. After January sixth, Boutich quietly retired from the FBI. The immediate reaction among right wing news media and politicians was to tap into the same narrative they'd used during the summer of twenty twenty that

Antifa was the boogeyman. We really don't know who is behind this. I guess you could call these, for lack of a better word, antifa like tactics. We don't know if Antiva is out there. January sixth, maybe it was Antifa. If Antifa was there, we need to root it out and to make sure that that's called out because it shouldn't be blamed on groups that weren't responsible. The last couple of times we've seen these rallies, it hasn't just been the President's supporters. We have seen Antifa, We have

seen Black Lives Matter. These claims and many others like them, had an effect exaggerating the threat of anti fascist activists while downplaying the threat of right wing extremists. Even the FBI, from top to bottom, appeared to be influenced by the Antifa boogeyman claims. Here's Michael Jerman, a former FBI agent who regularly testifies before Congress. How can you not have seen the way the Proud Boys have committed violence all across the country in the four years prior to January sixth.

They had committed violence in Washington, DC at Trump rallys in November and December of twenty twenty. Agents had fallen for the false narrative about Antifa activists, and that allowed for a deadly bias that somebody in a position authority of the FBI could have such a divergent view of the necessary preparations the FBI should be making for a Black Lives Matter protest versus an increasingly public white supremacists and far right militant violence, I think highlights that bias.

In Senate testimony two months after the insurrection, Jill Sanborn, then the FBI's Assistant director for counter Terrorism, was asked why the FBI was unaware of social media communications concerning planning for the attack on the Capitol. Under our authorities, we cannot collect First Amendment protected activities without sort of

the next step, which is the intent. And so we'd have to have an already predicated investigation that allowed us access to those comms and or a leader or a tip from a community citizen or a fellow law enforcement partner for us to gather that information. That isn't true. It's total bullshit, because that's exactly what the FBI did in Denver in the summer of twenty twenty. The issue in stopping January sixth wasn't the FBI's lack of power and authority. The issue was that the FBI was blinded

by its own hand. It was running around trying to create bad guys in the racial justice movement while ignoring the very real bad guys who would soon bring violence to the US capital. On top of all that, the FBI helped us roy the racial justice movement. Just look at what happened in Colorado. Racial justice leaders like Trey Quinn began to disengage following the rampant mistrust that Mickey

had created. The Denver chapter of the Young Democratic Socialists of America imploded after Mickey used the group in its members to bolster his credibility among the demonstrators. There's no longer a y DSA in Denver. Eventually, the mass demonstrations intended to call attention to the deaths of young black Americans at the hands of police. They stopped. Some of this,

no doubt, was a natural occurrence. All political movements eventually stopped, but the FBI's undercover work in Colorado hastened that collapse. Mickey's work for the FBI follows a long pattern. The FBI did the same thing in the nineteen sixties. We had congressional investigations reforms, and we told ourselves, this doesn't happen anymore. But it does happen. It happened in Denver in the summer of twenty twenty. That summer, President Trump and right wing media told us that we needed to

be afraid of the Antifa boogeyman. It turns out they were right. There was an Antifa boogeyman. He drove a silver hearse filled with guns. He advocated for violence and destruction, and he was created and controlled by the US government, by the FBI. And now I need to find Mickey. I'm parked near some rundown apartments south of Denver in the city of Sheridan. There are two square, white buildings. Each building is split in half, with two units on

each side, one upstairs, the other downstairs. The apartments are designed in what's known as shotgun style. If you were to fire a gun from the front door, it had passed through the back door, a straight line from door to door. This is the apartment that Cassie Windecker shared with Mickey, the same one where Mickey was arrested for grabbing Cassie by the neck and slamming her against the table.

I had long assumed that Mickey wouldn't talk to me, after all, remember his life rule fucked the three piece, the politicians, the press, and the police. I mean, we know now that's not exactly true about the police. Mickey was a professional snitch, but I figured he was likely serious about at least one of the other peas. Still I want to find him to try to talk to him. While reporting out this podcast, I met with a lot

of people who knew Mickey. Most were terrified of him, and many didn't want to be recorded or have their names revealed. Several of these people told me the same thing, Mickey isn't in Denver any longer. But then I did get this one tip. My best chance of finding him go to his old apartment. The guy who lives there, i was told, is Mickey's close friend in journalism. Doorstepping his industry slang for an unannounced visit. It's a last resort,

you doorstep someone when other efforts have failed. And I've done this enough to know the likeliest outcome is that no one answers the door, even if someone is home. So I write a note, leave along with my business card, and say I'm interested in speaking with Mickey, but it's worked for the FBI. Hello. I can see inside through the closed screen door. The apartment is a mess, piles of stuff everywhere, with strangely several vacuum cleaners lined up

against the wall. One of the bedroom doors is closed, and no one's responding. I placed my note in business card under the door, and I leave, and later that evening I get a surprise when Mickey actually calls me, but I missed the call and it goes to voicemail. Yeah, this is Michael Vindecker. This is the voicemail and its entirety. L you know now that address you went to a post in that piece of paper saying that I worked for the FBI, and shit, I don't live there. I

haven't lived there at months. But if you post something a story about me saying I suppose I worked for the FBI, will sue the shit out of you. I will take you to court and I will break you off in court for declamation and character as slander. I've already notified my attorney about this. My previous land or notified me and seventy of these papers that you put on the old door I used to live that stating that I worked for the FBI. I do not work

for the FBI. I've never worked for the FBI. Do a proof of me working for the FBI, then I'll say otherwise, but there's no proof because I didn't work for them. Don't be posting stuff on my old apartments to are my neighbors. My old neighbors are thinking that I'm an FBI consultant or whatever the hell it is. Okay, if you do that again, I promise you I will sue you. That's a guarantee. Don't fucking do that again. Don't come to my old house. Don't be posting stuff

that's not true. Twenty minutes later, I receive another voicemail from a block number. I'm just letting you know. Michael Winnicker has not lived at this address for probably now since midfall last year. Remember, I had heard that a friend of Mickey's still lives at the apartment where I left the note. So I asked that you'd please not come by my address again. I do not need heat on my house. If you do come back by my house or apartment, I will notify my local law enforcement.

Do not send anybody else in your police I do not mess around with stuff like this. Thank you for your time, good look, and goodbye. It doesn't take a master of deduction to figure out what likely happened here. I left the note by the door. Mickey's friend found it and he called Mickey. They then come up with a plan. The friend will call me and say he doesn't know how to reach Mickey, leaving me at a dead end. It's a solid plan, honestly, if Mickey's looking

not to be found. But if this was the plan, Mickey screwed it up. This voicemail would have been the dead end. But Mickey couldn't stop himself from calling me first, and he does what we now know he does when he's cornered. He lashes out and makes threats he's going to sue me, Mickey claims break me off for defamation, as he put it. And Mickey didn't call from a block number, so I call him back and he answers, Hello, Hi, this is Trevor. I'm sorry I missed your call. Yeah, Trevor,

this is Michael Bindeck. I got a call from my landlord that you posted a note on my older partment that used to prove that state and I was an h console or something like that. Yeah. So, so I'm a journalist and I'm doing a story on your work with the FBI during the summer of twenty twenty, and I've been trying to reach you, um twenty you did. I have records in video and audio proving this. Records in video and audio, will be working with the FBI.

That seems kind of weird because I didn't work with the FBI. You were paid UM five thousand dollars every two weeks during the during your work with them. That's not true. Well that's what the records say. But I would love to talk to you about this. UM, I let to interview you about your work during the summer twenty twenty. No. See, the thing I don't do is I don't talk to the press. I don't talk to politicians,

and I don't talk to police. So Mickey then threatens again to sue me for defamation if I report that he worked for the FBI, and he hangs up. So I call back. Do you reach Commandard your major Smokey at the tone? You know what to do. Hey, Mickey, this is Trevor Aaronson. I know you're probably surprised you have gotten my call, so I understand why you would have reacted the way you did. I just want to make clear that I have definitive proof that you are

working with the FBI. These include records, these include audio, and these include video. And this is absolutely unambiguous. So what I'm hoping to do is to get you to kind of tell what happened. You know, getting your account of what happened is very important. I understand that you would have various reasons to not want to be exposed as an FBI informant, but that's likely going to happen

no matter what with this project. So I would very much like to talk to you, So give me a call and let me know how he can how he might arrange this. Mickey has never responded. I followed up with text and additional calls. I've also sent them screenshots of some of the FBI undercover videos to prove to him that I'm not bluffing. Still nothing. He clearly doesn't want to talk to me about his work for the FBI during the summer of twenty twenty, and the FBI

doesn't want to answer any questions either. The FBI's press office declined to make anyone available for an interview and refuse to provide written responses to a list of questions I sent. The day after Mickey calls me, a head over to zeb Hall's apartment in Denver. It's a three story building. Zeb's place is on the top floor. Inside the kitchen and living room are together a single room. It's sparsely furnished. ZEB has a large desk in the corner and a couch facing a television. What did you

just doing a sound check? Okay, I set up my recording equipment. ZEB is setting in a chair next to his desk. I'm on his couch. So the first thing I wanted to talk to you about was I finally got a hold of Mickey. Oh yeah, and he left me a message. One to play it for you and for your reaction. I play Mickey's voicemail for Zeb. Don't be posted it stuff on my old apartments for are my neighbors. My old neighbors are thinking that I've an

FBI consulting or whatever the hell it is. Okay, if you if you do that again, I promise you I will suit you that the guarantee. Don't fucking do that again. I don't come to my old house. Don't be posted stuff is stopped? True? What do you think of that?

But he got paid though it wasn't a donation. You know, it's like, you know, hey, man, I didn't work for him, but you know they gave me some brid for like you know, yeah, the payment records I have for Mickey appeared to be incomplete, but what I have shows he was paid every two to three weeks, sometimes five thousand dollars, sometimes a little less. I can confirm that he made more than twenty thousand dollars working for the FBI that summer,

though I suspect Mickey earned significantly more. FBI informants can make an excess of six figures a year. The fact that was paid a lot of money by the FBI is significant because FBI internal reports suggest that Mickey wasn't motivated by money to work as an informant, but instead by a desire to be a good samaritan. Who is going to believe or want to work with a good samaritan who has all these charts, It doesn't make any sense.

Zeb's talking about Mickey's many criminal charges, including assault, sexual assault, and menacing with a weapon. American incident is best at the end of that point, I'm pretty sure there's some good people in the FBI. Well the FBI and sitting there, you know, it's a yeah, yeah, America didn't send its best in Mickey Windecker. I don't know if Mickey's still working for the FBI as a policy, the FBI will

neither confirm nor deny that anyone is an informant. One of Mickey's friends had told me that he'd stopped working for the FEDS, and then he's now living in Nashville, clocking hours as a motorcycle mechanic. I called as many motorcycle shops in Nashville as I could find, and no one had heard of a Mickey Windecker. And it gave me chills just now, because he's a bad guy. Bad guys are tracking bad guys, and I feel like he's

gonna keep doing this forever. Cassie, Mickey's third ex wife, had told me that Mickey is such a master of deception and has so many people who will cover for him wittingly and unwittingly, that it's impossible to know what's true. If someone claims Mickey's in Nashville, Cassie says, then it's a good bet he's not in Nashville. Cassie believes her ex husband is a kind of dark force, riding into town after town to extract financial game from the suffering

of others. She thinks Mickey is out there, still working for the FBI and still trying to set up unsuspecting guys like zep Hal, Bryce Shelby and Trey Quinn. One thing I've learned is they will use a little fish

to get the big fish. And I think in these cases they use the big fish to get all the little fish, because Mickey is he's a shark and not on the good, bad assway and nasty sharks, and you know, if they can get a bunch of little fish and a bunch of you know, just just just get people, you know, and hurt them, and you know, especially the Black Lives Matters thing. You know, when you told me about that, I was just like, great, this is like a carnival for him. He doesn't give a shit about people.

He doesn't give a shit about helping people or you know, making their lives better. No, he's doing it to make money. And I don't know how much longer he's gonna keep roaming. This reads, but it's almost like talking about the night Stalker or something, you know, or Jeffrey Dahmer, like when are they gonna get caught? You know, they're out there and they're gonna do it again. I too, think Mickey's out there somewhere behind the wheel of a silver hearse

secretly taking orders from the FBI. Well, I guess not so secretly anymore. This was Trojan Hearse Season one of Alphabet Boys and coming very soon season two. So you do personal security all over the world. You're connected to all these different people. It's an alphabet soup with the CIA, the d EA, and the FBI all mixed up in the same case. And you had to somebody call you and say, can you get grenades and nuns for this

guy in Columbia? Specifi A lot of Ammunians Ammunisian. It's the story of a jet setting Romanian businessman, a brash Columbian drug runner, a call to the CIA, and a seventeen million dollar arms deal that goes really really wrong. At the center of everything is Flavia. But who is Flavia? When I land, there's Flavio in a suit, It's like follow me? Is he a secret agent? And he slams down his badge in my passport and they just stamp it, and I'm like, something's going on here? Is he an

arms dealer? You have your friends because I have right now in my n or is Flavio something else? Entirely? This college from an innate quis in Alphabet Boys Season two coming soon. Alphabet Boys is a production of Western Sound Nightheart Podcasts. It's reported, written and hosted by Me. Trevor Aaronson. Bennett Dare and I are the executive producers. Colin McNulty is our showrunner. The producer is Nicole McNulty. Original composition in mastering is by Alex mckinnis. Sound designed

by Alex and Dan Leone. Eleanor Knight is our production assistant and fact checker. Additional production help from Victoria Sefflett Installa Hartman. Additional research by Marco Williams. Sam Pearson designed our cover art. Special thanks Brian Loma. Executive producers for iHeart Podcasts are Nick Stump, Bethan Macaluso, and Lindsay Hoffman. For more information about this series or to drop us a tip, head to Alphabet Boys dot xyz. You can

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