Scream Ranking with Horror Dads - Ep. 123

Welcome to Act Three. In your dream. You have to turn a bit more! Three of the Alone in the Dark Maddie. What's going on buddy? Mikey, we are here, Scream Ranking. Scream Ranking. And we are joined, this is like a tradition now. We are joined with our good guys John and Jamie from the Horror Dads podcast. Guys, what's going on? Oh Jamie just starting shit with Ghostface already while he's fishing on the Ghostface. Guys, thank you uh

For having us here. Honored. No no worries, dude. We're always psyched to have you guys. It's just uh a pleasure and we always have so fun with these ranking episodes. Um the last one was what, Halloween? Halloween. Yeah. And that was super fun. Yeah. That was awesome. So yeah. We're so we're gonna rank these films seven to one, right? Which is gonna be super fun and we got some tricks up our sleeves and some fun things happening, so it's gonna be good. Um

Couple things, Patreon. We have a Patreon and uh we have a new thing going on where if you join our Patreon, you can be a part of the chat while we do our episodes and we have the chat going right now, nobody's in it, but hopefully we'll get some people joining us.

uh by the uh throughout the episode which is gonna be super fun and we're doing sort of like a um we're doing a fun episode with you guys after this, right? For a bonus episode that we're gonna share on our Patreon and you're gonna share on yours. So Matty, what are we doing? Yeah.

Oh we are reading um a portion of the script, the end of the original Scream Three script. Yeah, and that's gonna be conversation that we'll be talking about tonight once we get to Scream Three, but That's uh, you know, a film that there was a kind of a big change at the end and we're gonna sort of talk about that tonight. And then on Patreon we're gonna we're gonna act out the screenplay together, right? That is truly terrifying. It's gonna be super fun. It's gonna rock. Jamie's gonna do all of

Parker Posey's parts in her voice, he's been practicing. I love it. I practice every evening. She's so funny. We're gonna get to her. But um, so guys, scream. Where w like how were you guys introduced to Scream? Like what was the first movie you saw and like what do you remember most, you know, before we get into the ranking it? You know, it'd be kinda fun to hear. I don't have a great story here. John, yours is amazing, so Do you wanna do your uh lame one first and then I'll do my

Well do you remember the first one that you saw out of all the first one was Scream the original. But I don't like have a great story about it. I didn't see it in the theater, you know. Did was it like at a friend's house or something during that? It probably was. I don't even remember. It was just like in a stage of my life when I just like forget. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. I was awkward and weird and fuck it, you know. I yeah. I did not have that. So I was let's let's see, I was

This came out what, ninety six, December though, ninety seven if you're watching it at home. Yeah, it was ninety seven, so I was ten. Uh when I saw this first time and all my friends had seen it, right? Right. And they're all like Dude, you gotta check it out. Poking me. Gotta check it out. Gotta check it out. And my mom was like, I listen. I'm gonna watch it first. Then we're gonna watch it together if it's cool, right? So my mom watches it first.

Comes into my room the the next morning and she's like, All right This is gonna really destroy you. But here we go. It's before school. She's like, I want you to watch the opening scene. before school. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I'm ten I'm eleven, right? Ten, eleven years old. Holy shit. So we watch the opening scene of Scream before I go to school, and then I'm like just

probably look like Ghostface the rest of the day, right? I'm just like chalk white. Just totally like gob smacked. Yeah. And uh I remember that night I could not wait to get home though to finish it and and I stay home by myself. My mother took my sister to dance class, I think. And um I stayed home by myself to finish it and it it's amazing. That's so cool. Can we take a moment here to appreciate

Sean's mother Dude, the fact that your mother allowed s watched it and then said, Oh yeah, well I'm just gonna yeah, my ten year old might let ten and a half. Oh. Yeah. You think I should? Yeah. Alright, hold on. Hello, John and Jamie. Holy shit, ghostface. And he's calling for you guys. That's strange. Mikey and Maddie. Yeah. Congratulations on twelve years of horror podcasting.

Holy shit, Matt. It's been twelve years. The first compliment we got was from Ghostface. Congrats. Uh John and Jamie, I'm a little nervous for you guys. Yeah, yeah. I mean Ghost phase two. What's up, dude? So, John and Jamie, I want to see how well you know the Scream franchise. So I'm going to ask you three questions. Ready? Oh. What happens if we get'em wrong? Uh okay. Yeah.

Seriously. Jiffy Pop, let's go. Let's bring it on. Question one. Uh oh. Who were the killers in screen for? Oh, fucking easy. Oh. Jill and Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. Who is it? Jill Charlie. Jill and Charlie, right? Jill and Charlie? Good, good. Name one film that Randy mentions to Ghostface when he is on the phone in the quad of Windsor College.

Showgirls ghost face, suck it. Not even a horror movie. Yes. That's true. That's true. You guys know your stuff. Oh. Congratulations. That's good. You guys are killing it. Now for the final question. If you get it wrong, I'll be waiting for you after the episode. Oh shit. In Scream 4, during the big stabathon hoe down, there's a little something hanging in the barn. A mask variant never used by any real ghost face, but sold as merch back in the late nineties. Tell me, which mask was it?

Oh boy guys. Let me confer with my partner here. Let's think of the variants. Remember the one that had uh uh you could like pump blood through the blood, yeah. Or maybe the metallic one. Is there a metallic one? Maybe green? Isn't there like a devil mask one as well? There is a green. Green face. I'm sorry. You're wrong. You brought up the green take him. Greenish eyes, decayed face, a cute little collector's item.

Too bad you didn't collect the right answer. I'll be there, knife gleaming under the projector light, ready to slice and dice and carve my name into the finale. See you soon, John and Jamie. Goodbye, Maddie. Goodbye, Ghostface. Bye. Oh guys, I'm sorry. Like I didn't realize asking you to be on this podcast would be your demise.

Yeah, ghost facing Ohio. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Well actually he was there first. He was there. Yeah. Yeah. Windsor is very true. That's true. Yes. Was it Windsor or is that Windsor. Windsor College, yeah. All right guys, so we're gonna get into our list and uh the way this is gonna work just for people that don't uh haven't listened to our rankings before, we're gonna go down the line and list our number seven, then we'll go down to one.

And then uh once the film has been mentioned by every single person, that's when we kind of have a longer discussion about it. Right guys, isn't that how we do it? Yeah. Yep. And before we uh get into our list, we did a thing where we sort of predicted, we wanted to predict what each person's ranking was before we went, and then we'll sort of see who was the closest in the end, you know what I mean, which would be kind of fun. So I like that.

Yeah, so we're gonna give our our picks. Uh I'll tell you the order that we're gonna go in for the ranking. It's gonna be John, Jamie, Maddie, and then me. Uh so that's the way we're gonna do the ranking. So prediction wise Uh we can go uh we can have John predict

Um you know what I might be easier. I think it'll take less time. Let's each pick one person and we'll give our prediction for that person. I think if we do all four, it might take too long. So we're gonna do that. So John, you pick somebody and predict Their list. Alright. It would be unfair for me to pick Jamie'cause I'm pretty confident I'm his. Okay. So Mike, I'll go with you, man. How about we do this one? Okay, sounds good. All right. Mikey, I think um do you want me to go uh

Go seven to one? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So uh least favorite down to favorite. I'm gonna go five is least favorite for you. Okay. Six Seven three four two One. Okay. That's my guess. All right. Cool. I'm not gonna say anything. I don't wanna do you? Does he have it down? So we can check it afterwards and see how close it was? But he has a perfect. Yes I got that on film. Don't mind if I do, sprinkling some lines here.

All right, Jamie, so I guess you're probably gonna predict Matt's then. We're gonna go across we're gonna do a crisscross applesauce here. So uh go ahead. What's uh what's Matty's what do you think Matty's ranking is? Instead of going what I assumed would be too obvious, I'm gonna try to mix it up. I'll probably probably be terribly wrong, Maddie, but here's what I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with six dead last. four at six. Next up number seven. Mm-hmm. Followed by part five. Then part three

Part one and part two. Oh shit. Interesting. Okay, so that's Maddie's guess from Jamie. Um Can I do Jamie? Yeah you can do Jamie then. Sure. I'm gonna do Jamie. Well y it's your turn actually. So you're gonna predict John's. I'm gonna do John's, I guess I'm being told what to do, so here we go. I'm doing John.

Um John, this is just me like kind of doing what Jamie just did. I'm kind of firing uh blanks here, I guess, in the in the dark. So I'm gonna go with six being your last, followed by seven. And then four, and then five, and then two, one, and then three is gonna be your number one film. Wow.

Okay. Man, okay. Good. Uh I actually forgot I left one off my list for myself, by the way, so I'm glad that you counted from one to seven because Okay, good. Oh, there you go. Perfect. I watched Sesame Street. The Count was always inspiring. Savan! You're just like the Count. Yeah. We should do that between between Just the way he said Seavon. I just love that thing. Uh Jamie, all right. My prediction for you is

And I'm gonna explain this. When we were talking about part seven, you were awfully quiet via the text thread. Like John was John divulged like that he saw it and you didn't we didn't really hear from you. So I'm gonna say Six is your is your least favorite, then seven, then four, five, three, two, one. So down the line there. So that's my prediction for you. Okay. Very good. Alright. So guys, so we are gonna get into it now. We have

Uh John's gonna be going first. And Matt's gonna keep track. And we have a special thing, and I'll preview it here. Once we keep track of our rankings, we'll check in every once in a while and on the screen will pop up a ranking tier so everyone can follow along and see where we're at as we get closer to one. But that's kind of uh what we're gonna be doing moving forward. So John Your first pick, my friend, for number seven, your least favorite scream movie.

Alright, let me preface before I answer any of these with This is like picking your least favorite child, in my opinion. It's tough, yeah.'Cause John, your middle name is disclaimer anyway, so just go ahead, disclaimer one. He always has something before before the before. Before the before, correct. Yes. My least favorite rank is number six. Scream six. Okay. All right, how do you know me, buddy? So it's your first fit.

John, I just dr I just dragged the screen six six poster up right there, number your number seven. Mike devised the absolutely simplest thing knowing that I was gonna be operating this. I I this is how much Mike loves me and I know he does now just by this. But the how simple it is to to perform. Thank you, Mike. No problem, buddy. No problem. Yeah. I'm glad to uh to help you out. All right, cool. So moving forward here, we're gonna go to uh Jamie. Jamie, your least favorite scream movie.

All right. My least favorite is part six. Oh, we got another part six. All right. So let's see, Matt's gonna drag those up. Yeah. I'm removing it. Here he goes. Yeah, I have to say that my list this this like my list last year before Like right when part six came out, my list was drastically different. Yeah. Uh in the last half. Yeah, my last half has changed a lot. Man. All right.

Because Scream Six, Scream Six is off my list. No hollow notes fans. All right, fuck it. I'm not gonna be stern anyway. All right, Maddie. Um, I guess we're gonna be talking about this pretty soon because Scream Six is my n my least favorite of the uh franchise. All right, Matt, throw it up on your uh on your board there. So Matt's going with Scream Six as well.

Did you see how fast I did that? You did. Look at you, dude. I'm so proud of you. All right, guys. And guess what we're talking about? We're talking about Scream Six because that is my least favorite of the franchise as well. So scream sick. I just removed it. I seriously just removed it. Did you really? Are you dead serious? As you're fixing this, uh so we have some bold statements to inter inters through these, right? Do we want to start with those or end with them on the on the film?

Oh just select it. I moved ghost face from you, Jamie, so you don't have to do that. Matt, that's seven, bud. No, it's not. It's Sirium Scrim Six. This is seven down here. Yes, I say. Oh shit, I just dragged five all of our fucking things. I'm gonna kill this guy right now. All right, put the fives all back.

Put the fives all put the fives all back. It's like, you know, Matt was like, Look at me, I'm so pro look at what I did, guys and he totally messed it up. I freaking love it. Well, anyway, it's it's gonna stay in the episode'cause it's super fun. All right, Matt. You're gonna throw he doesn't even know his screen posters, you know. Uh so there you go. We're gonna watch this live. Let's bring this up so everybody can see Maddie. I just removed No you didn't. No I didn't.

I did not. They're all on there now. Okay. So there we go. Scream six boys. Scream six. Here we go, guys. All right. So Scream Six. Scream six. It's the it's the Matty technological part of the ep episode of the series. Yes. So this this is the uh this is the the Sydney list Scream, right? Yes. She didn't sign on. You know what I mean? I don't think they paid her enough. That's pretty obvious, right? Um, and I think.

I don't know. I I you know, Matt and I figured'cause you guys are younger than us that you might like five and six. Well, you know, don't don't give divulge too much, but I just There's like a younger generation that's really into five and six. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Especially totally. A lot of my high school kids and like middle schoolers like love five and six. And I think it's just their generation, right? Now Jane John and Jamie are high schoolers now? They are.

Well, my dad's gonna come pick me up soon, so we better get we better get Well, I have a c I have a question for you guys. So Samara Weaving is in the beginning of this, right? And and she talks about how she's a professor and you can examine the culture of the moment by looking at tropes because the guy asked her over the phone, Why slasher? Why why you teaching about that? Yeah. So what what do you think what do you think the tropes are of right now? Like what do you think the tropes are?

What era are we in? So I guess we're in the what, the era of the twenty twenties, right? So I guess the the tropes I would say that we see probably most would be I I think they're kinda more character driven than anything else. And making sure that there's some sort of representative nature of And I don't think this is like

prescriptive across all films and I don't think all films do it the same. Uh but you know the whole boy band ensemble thing of like, hey, you have to have the funny one, you have to have the smart one, you have to have uh the flirtatious one, you have to have this, you have to have that. So I think the tropes that you see when movies are not done well are the ones that do that too hard and too obviously, where it's like you're you're being instructed to

understand why something's funny almost. It's like, hey, don't tell me to laugh. I'll laugh when it's funny you know? Right. Right. So I I think that's a big one currently. Yeah. If I had to pick one trope that has been kind of plaguing us the past few years, especially like in the last not not this year as much, but like the two years prior. I'd say like satanic cults. Okay. Uh especially religious.

You know, like we had first Omen and then uh the Sydney Sweeney. Immaculate. Immaculate Immaculate. We just had like all these we even had that Alexandria Di Dario movie with where she was in a cult. Johnny Knoxville was her dad. Remember that fucking one? Oh yeah. Yeah. So I think we have We had a lot of those going. That's the trope.

That I would say is was most notable for the past few years. Yeah, cool. So where are you going with that? No, I just I just wanted to bring it to the times. Like you know that they she mentioned.

That's where this movie was, right? In two twenty twenty three. Right. She was talking about examining the culture of the moment. So I just wanted to kind of get the pulse. I I mean I was thinking of liminal horror, like the skinema rinks and those type of movies. Yes. Ooh yeah. Um in addition to the into the in addition to the thing that I most hate.

Um, elevated, which is just a death knell of my I just hate that word so much. Right. It's so pretentious. But you know, those kind of like heretic. I think of like a heretic movie with a Q Grant, you know?

Which I love. I love that movie a lot. And I hate that they call it elevated horror. It's just a really well made good horror movie, right? Yeah. It is. Yeah, it's like it's almost you're almost being penalized if you're being smart. Yes. Yeah. I don't even know if elevated is a is a bad word. Yeah I know but I just think it's a little bit more than a little bit.

Elevate like like we have to put that on top of a horror movie. Like horror movies aren't good enough by themselves, so they have to say elevated. Right. They have to attach that to the beginning. Like characters and how do you guys feel about the I feel like the New York angle of this movie could have been played up more. Like they film this where? In in Canada, I think, or something. Uh uh it's definitely not New York. Um

Mm-hmm. But to be honest, like I feel like at least Jason Jason takes Manhattan. They like put Jason in Times Square for that one scene. Like, I wish for this movie they would have taken taken like Ghostface and and Sam and Tara and and had a scene where they're like Going to Times Square or they're running through Times Square or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. I just think there's a train sequence, which I guess. Yeah, the the subway scene I guess is the closest thing. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Which was a c I really enjoyed that scene. I thought it was a very good one. Me too. No, I like that Jason was there first, but you know. Yeah, Jason was there first, yeah. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I like the faces. Yes. Um What about the intro? So they they they're they're always trying to one up, right? It's always this innovation, right? So five

You have we'll talk about later, but it's you know, Tara surviving. Then this one you have ghost face revealing himself in the beginning of the movie, which has never happened before obviously, right in in the beginning. Right.

And I thought that was kinda cool. When I saw it in theaters, I was like, wow, that's really neat. You know what I mean? Um that's actually very funny. Uh but I I loved the intro to this movie and Typically like I don't need a uh super smart payoff to your point, Maddie, to be something that I like, especially in in these movies, like Motive and who it is is not

a a driver for me on whether or not I'm gonna like a film. Right. Um it's more about setting and feeling and pace and chemistry and the characters and whatnot. So and I I I'll even go as far as to say as like I like the characters for the most part. It's just the whole the it's the police officer Kirby coming back and they're like they're acting like these like war veterans that are like

Yeah. Gravelly voices, and they're like, You wouldn't want to go in there. And it's like, what why are we doing this? Like, is that the Jamie and Curtis 2018 Halloween effect? Yeah, it kinda I felt that same way.

You know, Halloween kills. It's like nothing happened. We're happy. We we're good on our meds now and like every day is good. And it's like, wait, how that's not how this started. So I I don't know. That's my issue here is is the It's I think it's the they try and like overlay this n almost like noir hard boiledness to it. And I don't know if it's'cause it's supposed to be New York that they're doing that but

That's my issue here. I can't find a place to get comfortable. I just don't understand. Like these set I th I want to bow our heads for a minute so we can just mourn the death of the creative set designer because why? For the nine billionth time when Jason goes back to his apartment. Why does there have to be I mean, one of my favorite movies of all time is Vertigo?

But every fucking set designer it's like, let's just put vertigo on the wall, make him look like an intelligent uh film student. Like how many movies? Like put Lawrence of Arabia, put like there's a billion movies. Like why does it always have to be vertigo? Because it's the number one movie on the AFI in the top one like it's just I don't know. It's just it's too obvious and too like we could be set designers then if that's what they're doing. Sure, sure.

I think there's so many plot holes in this movie too that really that really dish out really bothered me. Please dish. Well, before we get to the plot holes, I don't know if you caught this. I caught this l preparing for this episode, but there's like a news report right before Quinn's fake death, uh when she fakes her death or whatever, where the reporters are like talking about the sale of ghost ma ghost face masks.

And then the guy and the girl reporter, the you know, the the anchor say to each other, Did you get your ghost face mask? I got mine. You know what I mean? Like they're like joking about it. And I'm like Would that really happen? Like on like a news report? Would they be joking about like a vicious murder and they'd be like, hey, I got my mask. You know what I mean? Like it just it was so like took me out of the film like and I don't know why I didn't notice it before but

Now that I see it, I'm like, God damn it. But they have they have a moral code to uphold on on the air, right? I mean they're you would You know what I mean? It was just kind of ridiculous, you know. So New York's full of potholes and Mikey's talking about the plot holes. I do love the symmetry to that. Yes. Potholes and plot holes. My God. Yes. Yes. Uh Quinn's death, uh or fake death I should say, is probably the biggest plot hole.

Opin of Quinn's death. Yeah. Because how is that possible? How is that possible? So she's on the phone with her dad, right? I think. Uh her boyfriend or fuck buddy. She's in the bedroom, right? Right. She's in the bedroom. Her fuck buddy's like in the tub or something. He's like, Yeah, I was gonna ask you, who is the corpse in the tu i is that supposed to be her fuck buddy? Yeah, because she's yelling to him from the from the room. He's like

Like he has something and she's like, Don't use my good face wash or something like that. Um so I'm assuming that this is her brother, right, who's coming in. Um Charlie. Uh not Charlie, I'm sorry, the guy who looks like Ethan, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. This is Ethan, I think, is playing Ghostface, comes in. I had Econ. Yeah, but he was I was in a full class everybody was there. Don't be mad at me. But so they fake this death, right? And this is all happening while

Everyone else is out, like right outside the door there. Yeah. And what's his name is across the way, the guy that's kind of with Sam, you know that's yeah, so she's the she has she's the hot guy across the way. Yeah, he's watching through the window. Are you telling me that When she comes out of the room, I don't know if you guys notice, she's got this like amazing like neckslash prosthetic on her on her neck.

You tell me in that amount of time that she applied that like fake prosthetic on her neck to be like thrown out into the room where everyone was convinced that her neck was slashed, you know what I mean? Like It's funny because in the middle of this plot hole it's like

the greatest scene in the whole movie. It's cool. This whole set piece with the ladder across the thing and everything. I mean, this whole set piece is br it's honestly like the this in the train sequence is probably my two favorite scenes in the whole movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I agree with both of you. I think it looks amazing and it should be should be better than it is, but but Mike, like think of how many

Medical professionals are in and out of that place. Yeah. And you're gonna tell me right now, like not one is like, oh, we have a pulse. Right. Yes. Because even if you're a co even if you're in a an executive level police position. Right. Right. This entire movie, by the way, my my bold statement, I'm just gonna say it now, Dermot Mulroney fucked up this movie entirely. And it's not even I think he's a good actor and that he's just not the right person for this.

And his eyebrows at the end really pissed me off. But um his eyebrows. Oh, he just uses them too much. It's like a it's like a a Batman villain. It's like is this Mr. Freeze here at the end? Oh my gosh. It's so funny. Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze. Kiss my ice. Yeah. Kiss my ice. Oh my gosh. You're not keeping a paramedic away from a uh a a body, is what I'm saying. So that's the end of my But Yeah. Well there's a fake body, right? They get a fake body from somewhere. Correct?

Oh yeah. So how the fuck did they do that? Yeah. Where were they hiding the body? Like, you know what I mean? Like where was this body? Like was it in their fridge? Like where the fuck was it? And how does it get on? Like when they do an autopsy, they're like, Oh, we cut into it and it's cake. Is it cake? Yep, it's cake. Like, what the hell?

It it it's crazy. Like we're did they like drag her on the elevator? The the the dead body was like, Oh don't mind me, I'm just delivering some food, you know what I mean? Like Like how the fuck did they get the body up the up to the to the apartment? You know what I mean? It's crazy. We were in the theater and she was like I called it. And I was like, You bullshit you called it like this bullshit. I will say I will say she leaned over

She leaned over to me at one point before the end of that movie and said, I think there are three killers. She did say that No, I know she Oh really she even in her mind I'm not saying it's bullshit that she called it because I think she did actually call it. But to me it was total bullshit.

that she could still be alive. I was like, there's just no fucking way. She was like, I knew it. I knew she wasn't dead. It was like to your point, Mike, it's just impossible. Yeah. It is. It is. It totally is. And I I I gotta this is my other one that drove me nuts. Towards the end of the movie, right? Or this is like halfway through past act two, I think. Gail walks up, she's like Hey guys, I was just wandering around the city and I found the lair.

Explain that it's not a three records or something, right? I I don't know. They she never explains it. She's just like, Yeah, I I I did good detective work and I found the layer. How the fuck did she find a layer? Can we can we talk about the shrine since you brought it up? Can we talk about the shrine? Yeah. Um so it's it's a fanboy's dream, right, to see this shrine.

It makes no fucking sense. Yeah. It makes how does Dermot Moroney make enough money to rent a theater? You know what how much fucking space costs in Manhattan? He rented this whole thing so that he can ha his son could have a shrine. No, let's talk about preposterousness. Yes. He had an OnlyFans. It was called Only Brows.

And Jamie to your point, no other no no other cop no OnlyFans. No other cops. Every time he goes, Hey, can I have that piece of head? Oh can I have that one too? Like nobody no cop is going, What the fuck are you collecting all these original screen? Murder shit for. Does anyone see that? Like on every one every murder scene, he's like, No, I I need that. I gotta take that. Yeah.

It's it's I mean fucking every little fucking piece from the past you have T V the T V from Mocker House? What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I this this this it's cool, like as a fan, it's cool to see all that stuff, right? But It just doesn't make sense. It's just ridiculous. Like yeah. When he explains it, I laughed. I laughed out loud. Did you really point John I love suspending belief and not thinking too deep on this shit? Um This one didn't let you do it. You look back.

Even if you're just not looking back, it is preposterous. Yeah. Don't look anywhere. Yeah. So the other preposterous thing is oh god, John, just finish finish your thought, Jamie. I'm sorry. I was just gonna say I wanted to really love this movie and the first time I saw it I was I just let myself get immersed by the the subway scene and uh little things like that.

Echoes of Maureen, um what's her name? Maureen the um Jada Pinkett getting stabbed in public a little bit. A little echo of the part two there. Yeah in the train. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Definitely. Chad and Mindy being back, which let's not even get started on Chad.

Th the guy shouldn't even exist. But oh you don't like Chad. Well no, how many times he's been killed? Oh but this guy shouldn't have survived part five. I completely agree. And how many times he gets stabbed in this movie I don't even know. It's insane. It's a goodbye. He's saying goodbye to Tara in this movie. So why don't you just like I get it, the fans like him. Yeah, let him go. He's literally like go.

And the knives are like plunging in and out of him. Wait, do that again. No. It looked like you were like doing like a shake weight or something, man. And by the way When you have ghost face down, you don't go and lift up a a glass jar b gumball machine as high as you can and expose your fucking porso and go, now I'm gonna kill ya because of course the fucking knife's gonna come up and stab you in the stomach.

Again ab after the nine hundred other times he gets stabbed. Right. Yeah. That's it's just like Ooh no I'm gonna do the Oh it's too much. It's just too much. It is. Pathetic in this movie. Yeah. And you're right, John. Dermot Moroney's the reason. He's the reason. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I my biggest fear is one day he hears about how much I hate

Him in this movie. He's gonna come after you. Because I again like the dude is a he's in a like he's a good actor. He seems like he's a really nice guy. He's a good looking dude. He's great in rom coms, but like he It maybe it's not even his fault, maybe it's the editing. I don't know, but like yeah, his presence made this movie worse.

Right, right. Yeah, I think he oversells it a little bit, especially at the end. Um speaking of not dying, yeah. He gets stabbed like fifty times and he's like thank you. Uh thank you for not killing me. What how are you not dead already? Like Like what's her name? She what's her name? Uh Billy's daughter. Uh Melissa Barrera. Sam Sam stabs him like thirty times.

And can we talk about the way Sam stabs? It's kinda badass, but it is. She's like fucking vicious, man. She's just like She's like all over the place. Well, I think they were prepping fucking flipping the knife and shit. Everybody was kung fu fighting. It's like a it's like a new New York City like workout routine. It's like The stab routine. Check it out. Yeah, exactly. It's like Tybaux, but it's like Stabo or something. She was supposed to be the killer in Scream Seven, I guess.

What if they kept it together? So I think they were probably setting up for like, oh, you really enjoyed this. I would fucking hate that. It's like Halloween four. But if you look at the end of this movie, this this movie is the end. Like she drops the mask on the road. It's over. Like you don't need more than this.

It's a perfect goodbye to her character for now, right? It's it's it is, yeah. It is. But my my bold statement was just simply whatever the ra lamest reveal you could think of, still better than this one. Yeah to your guys' point, uh Melissa Brer might have done us all a favor there. Yeah I think so. As we get to it. This is the second ratest high highest rated movie on IMDb, by the way, Screamfilm. Is that due to the the the how recent the rec and there's not enough people that

Com it has to be right? Yeah. Yeah, we're about to be a big thing. Yeah. Also to your point. One last thing I want to mention uh about the just the ridicul ridiculousness of this movie is Uh Wayne tells Taryn Sam at the end that he's gonna plant the masks. Like to blame the murders on the girls, right? Yes, yes. Dude, they've been wearing the fucking mask the whole fucking time. Like, doesn't he know that like DNA stays on shit like that? Like, is he like the biggest fucking idiot detective?

Like that exists to be like, Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna plant the masks on you. We've been wearing'em but we're gonna put'em on you now. Like he dude, he's a fucking idiot, dude. Makes no sense at all. That's bad writing, right? I have one last thing I have to say. Yeah. Some things are just better left in the past, like Kirby. Yeah, Kirby's character. Like I I was glad she was back, but I hated what they did with her. Yeah. It's like well again.

Have you been just like ripping sigs in the alleyway and fucking like like Where does she disappear to in that third act? Where the fuck is she? Smoker's Lounge. Yeah, well I think they were Smoker's Lounge. Trying to make her a red herring, I guess, and they were hiding her, but like I just hate it when she's like Kirby Reed, FBI Like

That's not who she isn't screamed for at all. No, no, that's not who she would be. She wouldn't be not even remotely close. We got the Jim Carrey iteration of Jim Carrey at this most recent award show when everyone was complaining. Yeah. We got Kirby the diner waitress. That's it. What do you want him on that too, honey? Like like the idea of Kirby being back was awesome. The execution Yes. It was not good. No, it was not.

Um all right guys, are we ready to move on and see what our next picks are gonna be? I'm excited to move to fuck this up. Let's go all right. Matt's gonna fuck this up, but we're gonna pull up the uh let's pull up the ranking here and let's see. So Number six film, John. What is your number six pick? My number six is Screen five. Ah, okay. Matt, you know which poster it is. Thank you. Here we go, Matty. Look at you. He did it. Good job, Matty. All right. Jamie, your number.

Oh, okay. Interesting. See, I was way off. All right. Maddie. My number six is part five. Wow. Oh my gosh. This is surprising to me. And guys we're talking about part five'cause that's my number sixty. Holy shit. You're right, John. We did lose a bunch of uh viewers. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. Well, there we go. Part five, guys. All right. Again, these are all kids that we have that we love. So like it's not that I don't like these movies. Yeah. Well that's the thing. I feel like

Besides six, I feel like I would say there's really no bad screen movie. But even six like No,'cause I think this is better than th than six. I I well obviously it's you know, what's the next on our list? But um, you know, I would definitely say that I had high hopes for this film. I don't know about you guys. You know, when when I saw this in theaters I was expecting oh I was open to like the new era of Scream and I was like, you know what?

Let's do it. Let's see what happens. You know, I like some of these actors, you know, let's check it out, see how they take it. Oh just roast me now, because I've seen I saw neither five nor six in the in the theater. I know. Just roast me now. Neither of them. Yeah. It's bad.

Right. They weren't in the theaters where you live. They were there. They were right down the road. They were there. Yeah, I don't think it was by choice, Matty. You don't have to you know. Yeah, Kirby wasn't in it, so I won't bet them on Yeah. I don't go to the movie unless she's in it. So I was skeptical of this film. Yeah. It it it's it's got some decent things and you know, we'll definitely point out some of our favorite parts, but um

I was skeptical when I was seeing all those photos of Kevin Williamson on the set of like Stu's house and they were shoving in our faces. Mm-hmm. And

The fact that Kevin wasn't really involved was worrying me because Kevin Williamson, I feel like obviously he is Scream. He's the father of Scream, you know? So I was nervous because I was seeing Kevin and just the look on his face, I could almost tell that he was just kind of like Yeah, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'm gonna I'm gonna not say, you know, I'm giving my blessing, but I'm just gonna pose here and take some photos in front of the Sioux house, but

I could just tell something was off with the other thing. Well speaking if you could tell, I think Tyler and Matt, those are the two directors, right? Yeah. Radio silence. Radio silence, like Jamie on the uh Scream Seven chat. Um so they're um I think they set I think they set the tone for this this Uber violence by the intro of this scene. Like how does how does Tara not die in the beginning of this movie?

Right? Yeah. You're setting the tone for Scream Six, what we what we talk about how being so preposterous. It's set right here in this movie, in the beginning of this movie. It's like I she she survives this. Like he's violently stabbing her. Yeah. Yeah. Several times. Yep. And it's crazy. And I think a precedent that exists in both these films is that

the way we did for Scream One through three is because you were worried about your family. Right? Like which of these characters that I view as one of my best friends in this world is gonna die, right? Yeah. And Five and six really sh did a culture shift here, and maybe this is a trope, perhaps, I don't know. Uh right. But they they didn't take anyone Uh like we lost a core character in this one, which was devastatingly sad, but I'm gonna venture to say that

David Arquette drove that decision and was like, I'll do one more. I don't know this, but I'm just guessing. Like that's your guess that he I see I I don't I feel like David really wanted to continue. I I don't think he'd want to be killed. I think the you know, Radio Silence knew they had to kill one of the original characters off and they had to choose. And that was their choice, you know?

Yeah, in in six we really didn't lose anyone, uh, core character wise, right? Uh and in this one we lose one core character in in Hugh We. So That was I and I don't even want to say that was a problem for me, but I do think that's a reality and Scream five and six is like Don't don't be anxious about losing someone that you love because you're probably not gonna lose someone you love. Yeah. Could be. That's I mean, with for him. He's like the he's the original Chad. Like Chad is supposed to be

The the new do, I guess. Maybe. Yeah. I think if it wasn't for the old double slice there. Yeah, yeah. I think that's what they want. Yeah, Jamie, I think that's what they want you to tell but knowing who the killer was, I don't I don't buy it, knowing who the killer was. Also a little plot hole there with the like what do you think Richie would have done? Like Dewey's going back to kill Am Amber, right? And so Richie is just like in the elevator like All right, well, I guess Amber's dead.

Yeah, I guess so. I don't know. Well well yeah but I guess what can you do? But look at part two, right? Anybody for themselves, you know? It's like I feel like Richie cared for Amber though. Well, to your point, John um Jamie, I to your point, is it did they give it away too soon in the does the little interactions they have between Richie and Amber, does it is it a little too much?'Cause they're like

They're accusing each other, right? Yeah, yeah. It's a like, come on. Really? Yeah. We could go with the Netflix alibi. Just give me one second here boys because when when Sam pours her emotional heart out to Tara in the hotel and she closes the room in the in the hospital room and she closes the door. And She tells her that I am Billy's my dad, right? I wanted so badly for the door to swing open.

And for Mickey's to stand there and go, Billy's daughter But you didn't see that one coming, did ya? Yeah. I wanted so badly for that but that would have been a scary movie like territory, not scream territory but man, if Mickey only would have just oh man. Can pair up and did anyone. Yeah. Did anyone else cringe like I did every time I saw Billy on on screen and just like the the like the trying to make him look younger with the I don't know if it was AI or you don't like the force ghost?

I I'm not a fan of that. I don't know I don't know. It's it I it's a blend of Hamlet and Macbeth and like a force ghost. Let's look it that's exactly what it is. Do you see what I like, you know, you just keep that's what happens in Shakespeare in Macbeth, like the tragedies when it's the guilt, right, or something. But this I don't know wh why they went that but that i after a while it doesn't really bother me as much. I don't know why.

Yeah, I don't know. For me it was just it was a hard watch every time he popped up on screen. It just like the first time it was, I have to admit. Yeah, it was just so like it just almost made me laugh a little bit. I don't know but John and Jamie, what did you think when you first saw that when Billy popped up? Yeah, I agree. I I think I said like oh it's Billy.

It's Billy. You know? It's like yeah, it's cool that he's here, but what the fuck? I don't think I felt anything, honestly. Like I this was the one for sure. I was just so happy to have it back where I went in totally willing to give concessions on everything. Yeah. Yeah. And I I remember just sitting there smiling and this was this was the one where my sister leaned over and said, Who do you think the killer is? And I was like, I

I forgot that I'm supposed to be thinking about that. Like I'm not I'm not thinking about that. And I don't have anything. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and I I really don't do that. in general, but on this one for sure I had like not and it wasn't I didn't even it was not even intentional. It was like my body just f like froze me in time and was like, You're just gonna enjoy this. Yeah. I really was.

I I was shocked by the end. I was surprised by the killers, honestly. I didn't see it coming. I had you know, I think I was thinking that it was who was it was Chad's girlfriend? Amber Richie and Amber, right? What are you saying? Uh well no. Talk about the killers? Yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is I thought that it was who was who was Chad's girlfriend? The one that like ran off for a while towards the end when you were at yeah. She has like the red streaks in her hair kinda deal.

Oh yeah, yeah. I think she shoots her in the house, right before Yeah, she's the one that she says, Welcome next year. Yeah, which is awesome. The big reveal there. But I thought it was her and somebody else. I I didn't really see this one coming at all. You know what I mean? Like

They did do a good job of sort of tossing these red herrings around through the whole movie, like juggling them until the very end, and then I was kind of shocked. So you talked about Billy's ghost being something that bothered you? I'm sorry, Amber living in the mocker house is just a st it's a bridge too far for me. It was just like no, no, no. Well no. I think it would have been cool.

And the way they played it in the movie was it was like remember like they they had all these tight shots and like they didn't reveal that it was Stu's house until like that one shot and they're like, oh my God, we're in Stu's house and they like dolly out. And like you see that it is seven does that Stu's house right. Like the right. I mean I just think this they wanted like, Oh look how well look how we right we got the kitchen. Like look it looks the same, doesn't it, as the first

I don't know. I just feel like they were like trying to like recreate something. But my point is they they revealed all that in all these promotional photos and Instagram posts and TikTok videos. So all like Fans and even non fans had seen that this is gonna be in the movie. So it's a spoiler before it even came out. Right. So why why build it up in the movie like it's a big surprise when it wasn't a surprise at all? And that really drove me nuts. I was like I knew it was coming.

And like as soon as they were there, I'm like, they're there. You know what I mean? Like it's no fucking surprise. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it would have been cooler if they if they kept that like if they made all the actors say, like, you can't reveal any shit about the mocker house at all, like keep it a secret, you know what I mean?

That would have been cool if that was revealed in the movie the way it was without anyone knowing that they had a set. You know what I mean? I'm gonna go right to my bold statement if you don't mind. Um Let's hear it. Amber Freeman. Um I think the way she kills people is by annoying them to death. And um Mikey Madison may be an Oscar wedding actress, but she gives a razzie-worthy performance in this movie.

You wanna do you wanna know what my bold statement is? Yes, sure as well. Amber is the worst killer of the entire franchise. Mm. I like that. I can I can agree to that. Oscar winning actress. Sorry, she runs this movie. Terrible. Terrible. Oh her at the end? She annoys the only telling that's just a the only person worse with the reveal is Dermot Moroni.

That's the worst reveal of any movie though. Yeah. Like not even a screen movie. Just like any movie. Oh man, she is so bad. Gail and Sydney p teaming up though is freaking great. It was Can we say that I love that. When she goes When Amber has one good ledge, she goes, Fucking hand sanitizer Great life. They smash it over her head or face or whatever. I think that was the funniest line of this entire oh, it's so I w I laughed out loud when I saw it. I I couldn't believe it. Yeah.

But do we really get Sydney in this movie? My bold statement for this movie is it's not really Sydney. It's like Sydney's there to like kind of be there as support, but it's not Fighter Sydney. This is just Sydney like trying to keep keep the girls safe somehow, but not really fighting Ghostface. You know what I mean? Like it's not like true Fighter Sydney. It's just like Some other version of Sydney that's kind of like washed down. You know what I mean?

I feel like that's what it was supposed to be, was her handing the reins over to Sarah Tara. Oh her kinda giving it away. I think that was the old requel Which I'm so glad that that that trope is kind that's another trope Maddie was like the requel thing. Um the the legacy sequels.

No, just sort of like let's let's have the original characters in there just kind of as a ad lib handoff to the other yeah. Correct. And that's what this was for sure. Yeah. And thank God that's you know, that's not a thing. I I I do Good good kills in this one though. But even there are some good kills. What pissed me off about this is they give us Gail back in this movie, and she has regressed into her form from Scream, the original Scream.

So it's like there's no way she's this not even still this person, but this person again. No growth. Because it's like, Oh, you're not even still this person'cause you grew out of this already. Like we were beyond this. And now you're quote unquote back to this and it's like how

So the th they do that with Gail and then for Sydney, they're like, All right, we're gonna have this like meaningful little kind of like handoff for you, but Gail, how about we just uh just put your Gail mask on real quick, please? Don't think too hard about this. That that part really pissed me off. Um but what I will say I actually

I'm I'm fond of this movie. It's a good movie. It is a good movie. My my bold statement is this this was one of my top five theater going experiences for me in my life, I'd say. And it just be it's because of Um Mike, that popcorn bucket you have in front of you, man. That was the first time I busted that thing out. Like Jamie and I walk in, I was like, Can you feel my head? I hand it over. I still bring it to every every movie I go to now. That's so funny.

I I like refuse to put popcorn in this thing. Like it I don't know. Does does yours like is it hard to clean? Like uh well I did find it in the dishwasher one time. My wife said it in there. She didn't run it. I honestly I was talking to her like I talked to my kids. I was like, Brittany, you cannot she's like, Okay, fuck, I didn't know. It's just a goddamn popcorn bucket. What was it, five dollars? I was like, This was forty.

Oh yeah. And dude, that would have dishwater would've melted the shit out of that dude. It would have been like it would have been like a crazy molded ghost face or something like that. That would've been so sad. That would have sucked. Yeah. It is a pain, but nice. Yeah. I I think for me guys wrapping this movie up, it's you know, it was a fun

Theater movie for me. You saw it twice, right? In the theater? I think I did, yeah, because I went with my son uh after I saw it initially. It was fun, you know what I mean? I wasn't crazy about I I just I don't the cast. I don't know. I'm just not like connected to this cast. It's just

To shove like a brand new cast of all young kids it in this movie sp specifically, it didn't work for me. You know what I mean? It just didn't work. I like Ch I like Chad in this movie a lot actually. I like his character. Right. Um I I I don't know about the whole their their Randy's nephew and niece. I think that's kinda stupid too. It's kinda forced in there. It's forced. Yeah. I mean whatever whatever. Yeah, I do that scene when Chad's with his girlfriend

And she's like, All right, I think I'm ready, let's go upstairs and then he's like, I just don't know if you're not the killer Right. That whole setup. Yeah, that was great. That was really good. I that was that was the moment I think where I was like, All right

I'm here. I I like this character. He he was the most relatable character I feel like out of that whole cast. You know what I mean? Like he he definitely played it really well and you know, his acting's really good too. And to Jamie's point, they needed to pass the baton from from uh Randy Randy was niece, I guess. But it's jumped in our face, you know what I mean? It is. Yeah. And I feel like they wasted

They wasted a huge red herring. The guy that what was the guy that was like stalking uh uh Chad's girlfriend or whatever? Oh, the dude in the beginning. Hit um somebody. Kyle Golner, yeah. I love that scene. That was such a waste like wifey or something.

Uh oh yeah, it was supposed to be Stu's nephew, but like they never drew they never like called attention to that at all in the movie. Yeah. Really? Yeah, I didn't even you're you're revealing something that I didn't know. I think in the original screenplay that's like if you look up his name, I think that his last name is Mocker or something like that. Um but what's crazy is don't you think You should we should have kept him around longer, just to like

He's such a good red herring, you know what I mean? Like why wouldn't you keep him around longer to like Just play with him a little bit. You know what I mean? And then kill'em like before the third act or something like that. So Mike, let me ask you let me let me just f put a button on this here. So the fact that you got knew about the mocker house beforehand and everything and then they really didn't deliver on that, can we say that they

They kind of cabin boyed that a little bit. Is that is that accurate? They did cabin boy that shit out of it. Did they do it, John and Jamie? Did they cabin boy that sucker? John, I should just ask you specifically, I guess, but uh just wait till our next episode of the cabin cast. You're you guys are gonna love it. Did you guys notice I'm just trying to find a way to fit that into the episode somewhere, so that's it. Did you guys notice the continuity error?

The big time continuity era I I won't let it go. I just will never let it go. Uh it's right after uh Wes and uh Judy's Uh kill. Yeah. They're at the house. They're in front of the house talking. Great scene by the way. Sam's there. Yep. Great scene. One of the best kill scenes. Uh and then it's like broad daylight. It's like fucking four PM there. Yeah. Then they're like, Oh right, we gotta get to the hospital. Well, my sister's in trouble. So they drive there.

Uh Deputy Dewey and Sam. Yep. Pitch fucking black by the time they get there. I don't know how far across town this hospital is. Right. Uh and then they're back at the hospital like after the death, they're back at the hospital.

Sydney's there, she's talking with with Gail, like sitting there by the window, broad daylight. Yeah, that's just bad editing? Was that like scenes that that were shot like supposed to be like different days and they're like fuck it, we'll just jam these together, you know what I mean? Like Nobody will be able to do that.

Two hours three hours to get across Haddenfield. Well that's right. They they they're talking, right, about Ben Tramer and then all of a sudden it's like mid it's like mid morning, mid after like it's like two o'clock or something when they're we go to the hardware store and then suddenly it's dark by the time they get to their babysitting. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, I think they were just

stone driving around in circles they couldn't find house they didn't realize they were but yeah to wrap this up to wrap up six and five I feel like the radio silence focused a little too hard. It was like forced nostalgia. Would be my summary on that. I agree with that. Yeah. I totally agree. So what did nostalgia better? Halloween, the last the trilogy or the five and six of Scream? What do you guys think? I think Scream. I'm gonna say Scream still, yeah, but just not not great execution.

Yeah. By the way, I think the words evil dies tonight, I think they're actually uttered in Scream Six somewhere. I swear I swear to God in the shut up. I I think some street people like on the I'm not even kidding you. You got do me a favor, go on a treasure hunt'cause I'm telling you in the background somewhere. I think it's at toward the end when they trap

When they want to trap the killer in there and they're like, Okay, we're gonna do this and they and Sam like locks the door and shit, the trap goes face in the thing. I'm telling you, somewhere somebody it says evil died. I'm I'm gonna watch it. That's absurd. Why why? I don't know, but anyway. That's messed up. All right, guys. So we're moving on to our number five pick. John, your number five.

My number five. Alright, uh also I just validated this. Maddie you're a hundred percent correct. They're chanting it in the subway. What? Um yep. That's what the Are they really? Yeah, that's what it says. Oh it's in the subway they're doing it? Yep. That's where it is, the subway. Alright, my number five. My number five. Sorry to take us off the rails there. So my number five is scream four. Maddie's. All right, Jamie, you're number four. Um number five.

Number five, yeah. Number five, yes, sorry. I had screamed four in my mind. Oh see, we were right. That bastard didn't text us back and now I know why. Wait a minute. It's not his bottom. It's not his bottom, it's up there. My number five is also Scream 7. Fuck Maddie. I can't podcast with you anymore. Are you gonna add it again? All right. I have enough, so. My number four, John, you and five, number five. My number five, sorry.

Just scream for stuff. John John and I are gonna podcast now. We're gonna we're gonna fire. Let's go. J and you buddy. Hell yeah. We're just gonna swap. Podcast swap. All right, guys. So we cannot so Matt's adding seven back in because he messed up. Alright, there you go, Matt. Good job. All right, so we have to keep moving, right? What are you doing? Yep. To number four now, right? Now we're to our number four. Yes. So go ahead, John. All right. My number four is Scream Seven.

Okay. Alright. My number four is part four. Oh shit. Wow. Maddie? My number four is part four. Oh, look at us, Maddie. Alright, so we could talk about part four officially, right? No accounting for taste, James. Should I give mine pick though before we talk about it? Just or no? Do we talk about it first? Oh we c we can actually talk about screen four now, right? Yeah we can. Yep, because we got it all. Oh, are you not gonna give your number your pick?

Should I or should I not? I think I should just do it because my my number four is Uh. Okay. Yeah, because now we can talk about both. I assumed... Yeah, we can. Yep. All right. So let's talk about uh I guess we'll talk about screen four first. Yeah, let's do that. All right, sounds good. Screen four, guys. Mm-hmm. Alright, I got a I got a real simple way to sum this one up for my reaction to it. Mm-hmm. I the things I love about Scream are setting.

Production, sound design, like all of the things that you feel when you watch a movie. I even if you did it with like the sound off, for example, the way it looks. This one was shot more like a soap opera. Especially those outdoor scenes feels like there's Vaseline on the lens. It's so bright. Uh and I guess they're trying to evolve past.

the older trauma or whatever it might be. And this isn't all the scenes of course, but I feel largely a lot of the way this movie looks is like too happy and too out of place and Not in continuity with the entire like even one through seven. This one looks different than the other six, which is wild because West you know, West Craven did it. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. What happened? You know what I mean? Is this the first one shot in digital? I'm gonna ask you that.

Just the first one shot digitally? It could be. It could be the easy one. I'm just saying maybe there's there not that it was brand new or anything, but may it's possible that there was still they you didn't have a total. There's definitely a weird like uh like film wise it's like a weird like softness to everything and like things sort of like

It it's almost like a boca, like on all like the lights and everything. It's just very like soft and the edges are soft. Like it doesn't have that like crisp. Like film thing, which doesn't that that actually should be the opposite of digital in film, but I know what you're saying. It's definitely it's the one that stands out the most is like the way it looks is very different, you know? Hey Jamie, do you feel like

John and Mike are are like had conversations before this and they're like trying to actually merge them to two of them and like squeeze us out. It kinda feels like that, doesn't it? Fuck John, they found us out. I know. The Alone and the Dads podcast, they know about that. Oh my you didn't just say that. Oh my god. Alone with the Dads

Um so I was so excited for this movie because of the reason that Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson were back. Horror horror dark, John. I'm Jamie. Horror dark. Horror dark. It's more like horrid dork. Wow. Just kidding. So eleven years after Scream Three, right, this movie came out?

I don't know, Mike is eleven years. Did you calculate it? Did you do the math? I did suck at math. So when you did so you're right about that? I actually calculated it. I couldn't do it off the cuff, but I d definitely calculated it. It's good stuff. Mm-hmm. Um, what did you guys think of the whole intro?'Cause again we've talked about them trying to like up the ante and do something different, you know, like pull the rug out from under us. The you know, the stab sort of like

you know, reset every single time the kills. I think it's pretty creative. I don't think it's one of the best intros at all, but I I think it's creative what they did with it. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I like the actresses they got too. I just But I will tell you this, every time I watch Scream Four, I skip the opening now. What? I do as well.

Yeah. Because it's too it's too long. Like I'm just like, all right, let's get to the other characters. Like Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's it's too fun. Like it feels like too whimsical almost because Scream You know, up to this point has just been really mean. Like think of all those other openings. Those are all like really aggressive and mean and like Savage. Like you're like skipping down the street and you're like, All right, I you know, I wanna

I actually like that. You know what I mean? The last real one is kind of dark. You know what I mean? But up until that point it's just like you said, it's a little goofy because I guess it's supposed to be a stab movie, you know what I mean? So I feel like a lot of people don't like this one.

Oh, I know for a fact a lot of people don't like this. And I I guess so to me I have a couple of bold statements. One of them would just be that at this point it's bold enough just to say I think it's a really enjoyable movie'cause I do.

Um I honest I honestly love Kirby in this movie so much. It's which is I know ironic'cause we're talking about Kirby from part six first. Well she's supposed to be like the new. I l fell I almost fell in love with Kirby in this movie. Like she's awesome in this movie. I think. Yeah. And she I think she's cool too. What what was that show, Heroes? Was that yeah, Heroes. She was on that show.

She was Hayden Paneteer, yes. Much like Sarah Michelle Geller in her heyday of of of being in Scream Two, like they captured that again here. Like this is this is the Sarah Michelle Geller of two thousand nine I'd say is like that Yeah. That person whose career is just like really taken off and

It she did such a great job, I agree with you. But it yeah, it's interesting though, because Wes and Kevin made cursed, right? Yeah. Which blew up in their face. Well, bec that's not their fault. No, no, no. I'm not saying it's their fault. But then they made this. And it's now getting kicked around. So I I mean I y this movie could almost be called Cursed.

T-O-O, like cursed two. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you think about it, it got changed so many times or something. Yeah, like fucked with this movie. Yes. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. They fucked everything they touched, man. They just had to They had to change something. They always had to like get their fingers. He had a bad taste in his mouth. Yeah. He's like, I need a b I came back for this? Yeah. Like, screw this. Yeah, this is my baby and you're fucking, you know

Messing around with it, that sucks, dude. I feel bad for him, you know? Yeah, I I I agree with that. I like Jill as a killer though. I don't know about you guys. I think she's a pretty creative killer and her reasoning I think is pretty interesting. I don't know. That's just me. Um I think in the original screenplay that they fucked with, Jill was supposed to it was supposed to end, Kevin said it was supposed to end on a cliffhanger. Jill was supposed to get away with it.

Oh yeah, yeah, I heard that. And Scream Five was gonna be Jill going to college and a ghost face killer is Attacking like going after her like she's Sydney and all of her friends, saying, I know you were the killer. Oh. So it's almost like a reversal

Last semester. That's it. Yeah, totally. So I don't know, but I think again, we're talking about intros that are different. To have an ending that ends like doesn't end and it's like a cliffhanger, then might have been cool. But John, that goes exactly what you're saying. It's like a soap opera almost. See what I mean? Yeah, and then the other thing because there are a lot of things I actually do like about this movie, but let's get off my chest what I don't like. That's the same thing.

In addition to The what is it, Anthony Anderson and that other dude that was on the OCD? Yeah, Adam Brody. Adam Brody, yes. Yeah. From the O C. And it's not that I dislike those guys. I think they're great actors. And isn't Anthony Anderson also in fucking the remake or the Town that dreaded Sundown Reboot thing. Yeah. He's also a scary movie, isn't he? Yeah, it's like I just I that type of comedic authority presence. Does not work in horror for me.

Well it's like Holly Five with the bumbling cops, right? It's like the similar thing. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I they sh they should have had him playing crazy eights in the car or something. Slapjacks whatever they're playing in Halloween five. Yeah, no, in Halloween five. But I'm I was they were doing s I guess they were just talking in the middle of the thing. I know they talk about how medically accurate it is if somebody gets stabbed in the head, but it looks

ridiculous. Yeah. He's like like a freak dance. He's like fucking Chaplin. He turns into Charlie Chaplin outside the car. We are gonna we're gonna have some good gifts that result from this. Maddie doing different dances. I know. It's all madd. But dude, Olivia's death scene though is do you you tell me that's not a callback to the original nightmare at Elm Street? It's brutal. It's not like Glenn's it's like Glenn's death. The shit, the gores all over the wall. It's amazing.

It's it's almost like it's funny, like it's like pre terrifier, you know what I mean? And when I think of that one scene too. But that kill is fucking clever, man. It is amazing. It's cool'cause they're on the phone with Go's face, right? And then he says And they think it's in her closet. Yeah. And he says, I didn't say your closet. That's fine. That's fucking you just bust through. That's fucking cool, man. I thought it was great.

about the characters here and connecting with them more so than in five and six. Like the when they're across the street or across, you know, the house over watching Sean of the Dead and Ben together in their laugh and stuff like I love that felt so much like high school for me. Yeah. Those that's the kind of stuff, you know

That's just what you do with your friends, right? Like you're sitting there, you're playing a video game or you're watching a movie for the fiftieth time in your living room, sitting there laughing about like

These characters were much more relatable. Uh and that scene is super Yeah, I just felt it really connected to to the Nightmare On Street. Like it really connected to West's past. It was like a nostalg nostalgia scene but not but very much in disguise as something new and cool, you know? Yep. But can we start can we talk about the set designers again? Sure. Here's a 17-year-old girl, Jill. Okay. This is 2011. So maybe I don't know, Bruno Mars posters, Taylor Swift. She's got

She's got a Joshua Tree poster from you too from nineteen eighty seven. Why? Who is dressing this girl's room? There's no fucking way Jill is a U two fan and if she was, she wasn't listening to the Joshua tree from nineteen eighty seven. We we have the answer to this. Do you remember you got your

When you got your iPhone and you two was on it and you couldn't take it off. Oh yeah, when they forced it on everybody. It was probably Psalms of Innocence or whatever. They forced it into the movie. Yeah. They signed an agreement with Paramount. They said one of our posters has to be in every fucking movie for the next ten years. Oh my. I I look at the things like this, like things like that really bother me. I like I hyper I think my good point might say I hyper focus on it, but

Give us that uh trivia question. We would have been screwed, Jamie. Yeah, that's it. Mm-hmm. What about how do you guys feel? Because we didn't really talk about this too much in when we talked about part five, but I feel like this is the last true like Dewey movie. Like Dewey is playing Dewey in this movie. It's like he's grow he's grown up, he's like the new sheriff and he's he's still kind of goofy and like you know, he's not super confident. Yeah.

In part five, we didn't talk about it, but it's like a different person. Like it's not Dewey at all. It's like

Some like badass guy that's like, you know, drunk and like it just it's just not my Dewey. You know what I mean? And I feel like it's the last Dewey. You know what I mean? This is it. Gail's amazing in this movie. Yeah, Gail's great because she's fucking related. Her lines in this movie, like When she's talking to Charlotte and she goes, She's Daniel Radcliffe to my JK Rowling and he goes, Yeah, well without the book sales in the box office.

Like the w the just the way the the repartee between her and Charlie, even when they when they bring her in, but they also have to bring Sydney like that's the whole thing they want. Sydney really and then not her. She is so like bitter and just like funny in this movie. But in the scene where they're at the barn and she has the mask on and she's dancing with her thumbs out. Oh my God, it's so funny. Yes.

And she's doing like the thumbs up. She's like, Yeah, where's this circle jerk gonna take place? Oh that's great. That's great. So Yeah, and then she's also like Oh, if you do this I'll come I'll come speak I'll come speak to your little your little film club or whatever. They're like Cool, can you get Sydney again? So again, just the same way we talked about Richie.

And Amber being obvious in five. Yeah. Charlie's a little too excited for this Stabathon marathon. Like and regardless of the murders that are taking place. No, no, no. This is tradition. We do this. Like this goes on. I don't know. Do you feel like Charlie's a little like flown out there as like maybe he's I'm just I kinda feel like I was really close to I graduated college in two thousand nine, so shortly prior to this.

movie coming out. So I was still kind of in that mode in my life because all through college, like we didn't have Sabathon of course, but like we had shitty horror movie Thursday every week at our apartment, right? And that's where everyone would come and we'd do like So that was a pretty relatable character for me at the time this came out at least. Um but watching it in retrospect. I just th I wonder if they spoiled the I wonder if people could guess it's him.

Yeah, but that's his thing. Like the whole st they started Sabathon, so it makes sense why he would be excited for it. Yeah, I mean, like that didn't bother me. have a crowd of people, victims that are just wait in waiting. Some in scream costumes. Yeah. Walking around. It just doesn't seem like it's very sensible.

That he still wanna have it because hey, he might he's ready to kill again. So obviously he wants to have victims or whatever. Yep. And Gail being obviously one of them. Sure, yeah. No, I can I can see. What about Judy? Judy.

Uh she's alright. You know her lemon squares, you know what I mean? Like, Oh Judy oh officer uh yes. Yeah, but I would be cheating on my dad. Oh that's honestly one of my favorite exchanges w when she looks at him and she says like you're not cheating on my w on your wife if you eat my lemon square Yeah. You know what part I loved her in was when she's in the hallway upstairs with

uh Sydney. Yes. And she's like really creepy. She's in the dark. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Like that was cool because it really I was like, oh fuck. She doesn't know who she is. She's like, I I went to Woodsboro High with you. You know what I mean? Like they're setting her up as red hair. They were setting her up, but it was a good red hair. It really was. It was good.

It's great. And then they kinda like I feel like they set up these red herrings and then they're like gone like really quick and you're like, God damn it, you know what I mean? Like I really thought I wanna know how Kevin Smith got his claws into the Scream franchise. I know he worked with the Weinsteins. Okay, cameo and scream three at the studio tour. Yeah. Him and Silent Bob. Now there's a clerk shot, a clear shot of a clerk's

poster or a video cassette in Charlie's what is the cross promotional bullshit? I don't know. I really don't know. I had read about this. Um it was some sort of connection with Kevin Smith and West Uh Craven. But I don't remember what the connection was. But like even in uh uh which scream is it where Fucking it's Scream Three where Jane's on a bobber outside. I think that exists.

Kevin Smith was filming something on the same studio at the same time and it was just like Wes was like, Hey, you guys should jump on set and And then I think Wes is in one of his movies. I think he's has a cameo in one of his movies. Oh. Uh so it's something. Well Scream Three would have been uh James Sandpop strikes back. That would have been the movie that's we're filming for that one. Yeah. But

So that's what it was. So maybe Wes has a cameo in that movie. I don't really know, but it's stupid. But I think he's the Walrus and Walrus and Tusk. There you go. Oh god. Fucking movie. Don't get me stuck. That fucking movie.

five has six survivors and Scream six has seven survivors. Interesting. I don't know if it held up in seven if it has eight survivors or not. I d I don't I didn't count them, but I'm curious. There seemed to be a pattern establishing that. That's not just a coincidence. I don't know. Maybe it is. Ma i it's a weird coincidence of his, but kinda weird. That's crazy. I don't know. That's nuts.

All right guys, we done with Scream Four. The reveal's good for this though. The hospital scene's incredible is insane at the end. It's cool. I love the fact that we get that well, we do get sort of like a false ending, right? She's a Jill's bad though. She's she's unreal. Like she's scary. Yeah, I'm not sure. I love the one shot I do Yeah. Yeah, she w she did a great job, Emmerin. She's awesome. But the when they're like they they show

Jill's dead at this point, right? And they cut to all the reporters outside and they're like, We're waiting to get a quote from Jill. You know what I mean? Like the survivor, this teen survivor, and they're saying all that shit and she's fucking dead. That was fucking cool. Like I do I do like that ending. That was kinda neat. You know, it was kind of like a'cause no one knew that they the developments. Yeah, and they were about to find out. And I love how we don't see that, but we see that.

Sort of saying like, Oh, we can't wait to talk to Jill, the survivor. You know what I mean? That's awesome. Yeah. The audience are going on. Yeah. It was kind of cool. It was. Alright guys. So to reach Scream Seven. Yeah, we're gonna be talking about Scream Seven. So here we go. Here's our rankings. Scream seven is now on the board. Um so guys Did we see this on the meeting night?

Jamie's Jamie's gotta go first here because we Yeah, let's let Jamie we still don't know how Jamie feels about this movie. Well it's his number four film, so it's he he obviously thinks decently of it. He does, but yeah. You've seen it twice now, right? I have seen it twice, yeah. Me too.

I saw twice. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's his number five film, same as me. Yeah, that's fine. But it easily could have been uh four, by the way, used to be at one point like dead last for me. Uh and it kinda jumped. It's crept crept up. The more I watch it, the more I like it, yeah. Honestly, the reason I like it more is because of you guys, because of Mike and Maddie. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

That's cool. They've ch they changed my perspective on it a bit. Yeah, I feel like the more I watch it, it's like what do I not like about this? I know. Uh like it looks you're I I do I will agree with you the the look of it, but I think it's that. Sorry to go back to four here, guys. Um to seven. Hit us with seven. All right, so seven

So we're gonna burn it all down. Uh they they they cribbed the Halloween ends thing here. Why why why tribute Halloween ends here, burning it down? Wasn't much fire by the way, beyond the uh beginning of the movie. But that was it. That's the proper way to use the mocker house in my estimation. It's very scream way to use the mocker house, right? They set it up because it is a museum, right?

And it becomes a killer room in essentially. I think that was a really smart thing to do. It was cool. Well, that's like a thing, right? Because the Mauger House really ran out. Yes, and they showed the shit out of it in the trailer. So you're assuming, okay, this has to be the beginning of the movie. Yes. They're not going to hang out. And they did the work. They did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, did we get cabin boyed with the burn it all down? Was that actually in the movie?

I mean they just they they Well you burn the house. No no I mean no I mean that line on the Oh did Ghostface say it in the movie? No, I think that's on the it's uh no it's the it's a tagline on the trail on the post. But like I thought this entire thing was gonna be like him just running around starting fires. Well, that's for sure. But the way they the way they prepped it in the trailer. Yeah. It's like only death by fire. Yeah, fire, fire.

Well, when Matt and I we did our last Patreon episode, we did like a Scream Poster ranking and we were saying that the Scream Seven poster looks like Chicago fire, ghost fan. I mean like it's like Like the poster looks like a fire T V show, you know what I mean? It's like a terrible poster. It's like my least favorite, but Yeah. Right, exactly. Yeah, totally.

Um but the intro was cool. I thought it was really neat. I like the fake ghost face, you know what I mean? That like animatronic ghost face that was cool. Um everyone knows that actor. I don't know him, he's like a comedian supposedly, but I have no idea. fucking annoying thing I ever ever in my life. Couldn't wait till that guy died. People love him now. Wow this is so rad. Oh it's fire. I'm like, I'll flee somebody fucking kill somebody. Do you guys know who he is and like

He looked like a famous comedian, supposedly, but I have no idea who he is. In fact, I think I leaned over to my wife during the movie, I was like Well first off Know your audience, man. Like this isn't like a a two hour day pass to it. Like d you rented a fucking Airbnb for the weekend? Yeah. And she feels this way about it. It's like I know. Yeah. And he has that one moment where he's like, Oh, we're just going. Oh, check this out. Oh, oh you gotta say oh

Oh I'm like, oh my God. Honestly, I feel like that's the way I would react though if I was there. I would be like that. But I wouldn't bring somebody that wouldn't I wouldn't bring my wife. I wouldn't film it. No. No. Yeah. Yeah, he's doing all those like selfies on the floor. Oh yeah. Well I mean I think he's just supposed to be a total douche. And then she really does punch him in the face. Hard. So I think you're supposed to get that like gr gratification of like Yeah, I Yeah, you suck.

Right. Exactly. Exactly. So Kevin Williamson directs the first time, right? Yes. And then director's chair. He's a co writer. And he's a co-writer. Which is that's I'm psyched. I think loosely because uh if you look at the writing of this movie on a whole, it's good. But it's it's not like

There's no lines in here that are like, Oh my god, that was like awesome. Or I I I just didn't feel that way writing wise, like, oh my god, I was so blown away by it. Right. And it's good. It tells a story, it moves the story forward. I like it. Yeah. But I was so much more impressed with with His callbacks d in the filmmaking of what the way he filmed this movie. I thought the f the the scene with I know you loved it, you were smiling the whole time.

When they play Gus's Don't Fear the Reaper. And it's the exact they didn't you need to use the dialogue too, man. Come on. It was too much. Yeah. The song's enough. Now you gotta have them saying the same thing that billions uh it's too much for me. See, I was a stuffed animal too. Well he was supposed to he was he was supposed to be portraying Billy though, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Wait, yeah. So it's I were I was fine. They were recreating Scream One? Like that they were I was did I miss something? No, they weren't recreating. They're like, hey, let's create Scream One right now. He was he was creating Stab, basically. Stab yeah. Yeah yeah. He was like he he was like coming into her window knowing that her mom was Sydney and he was just like

I'm gonna do this as like fun. You know what I mean? Like the song gave me nostalgia. The rest of it I was like, okay. See, I loved it. I loved that. I thought it was great. I'm with you on that, Mike. I was good with it. Yeah, I was fine with it. I think the filming was good though. Like I nod the nods to Mighty Bloody Valentine are just absolutely brilliant. By the way, Mike and I talk about this all the time. Mike lived in this apartment next to his parents' house.

Kevin Williamson in like ninety eight, somewhere around there in Entertainment Weekly, had this thing where he talks about his biggest influences. of movies. He has Don't Look Now in there with Donald Sutherland and and Julie Christie. He has My Bloody Valentine. Yep. And he has a couple other movies on there. And you can we we talk about this. As soon as we walked out of there like Mike. That's that.

Freaking little thing.'Cause Mike had it hanging on his wall. He he thought so highly'cause he loved Kevin Williamson. And we did so much, but He put it on his wall like Maddie, these are the movies that we have to find because Kevin says they're like his inspired him. It's like his Bible. And he comes full circle in this movie. He does, and it's fucking cool. It's amaz not only the kill, the k the beer the b the bar taps, which is Sylvia and the shower scene.

The way the water comes out of her mouth and this is the beautiful. I don't know if you guys did you guys catch that? That was so my bloody valentine. I don't know if you realize that. It was like it was brilliant. But then you think about that honestly. Oh my god, dude. Go back and watch my bloody valentine. It's it's incredible. Call back. I I watched my bloody Valentine like nine times before going to see this movie'cause you know, February fourteenth was just a few weeks ago, right? So

Yep. Yeah. I was definitely my bloody dollars. It's beautiful. It's amazing. And then when they the next shot you see after that It's Bob in Halloween. It's the pullback wide shot of him hanging there, and it's a two-shot, and it's unbelievably brilliant. It's it's

It's a it's juxtaposed because Bob was on the left but now the kill the kill the the victim is on the right and the killer's on it's it's phenomenal. Just the way he constructed that to be a tribute but in his own way is is was absolute brilliant. I got I got one more for you. I got one more for you.

The uh the I thought the best film scene was the one in the garage with the uh the sheets of Visqueen hanging. And that was very similar to the filming that Wes Craven did in Cursed. I know that's not a great movie, but um the mirror scene in Cursed. Yes. It's like that and it's very like I know what you did last summer too with uh you know, Shivers Department Store with all the the kind of covered mannequins and stuff like that. It's kinda similar to that too, which is kinda cool.

But the other my bloody Valentine thing that I don't know if you guys caught The Shadow? No. It's the whole the thing sort of about leading up to like is Stu alive or not? Like we don't know. We can't find his body. Oh, like the M Harvey uh what's his name? The the killer in in My Bloody Valentine. My Bloody Valentine when they're calling that you know the Did the the what's his name? I can't remember his name. Yeah, Harvey Danger, I want to say that. No.

But yeah, Harry Warden. Harry Warden. They're calling the the hospital where Harry is and they're like, We can't find the records. They fucking say that in this movie too. They're like, We can't find the records on Sue. And I was like, Holy shit, dude, that's fucking my bloody Valentine too. It's fucking cool as hell.

Yeah, it's cool. And and the callback and it's so Halloween. The shadow when he's following her in the out when they're in the middle of the town. Yeah. And she's calling out for everybody the same way Jamie Lee Curtis can't get any anybody like the one guy turns the light on but then turns it off.

She's screaming, Help me, help and no one's helping her. It's like she's in the middle of this town and there's probably people around her if there isn't, but she's just it's by such a cool callback, man. And what about when the girls are like at the beginning of the movie, the girls are like walking down the street and then uh Uh Tatum's boyfriend pulls up in the car, do that.

That seemed to remind me so much of like Halloween. It's the most Halloween movie of the Scream franchise by far. Just them walking and talking and stuff and having a conversation. Yeah. No, I entirely. Yes. Oh, it's it's cool. The setting in this this is of all the films, I think my favorite setting. Like I'll fucking wherever this is, I'll move it I'll move there tonight. Like I am there. This feels like a

Uh I think it's Georgia. I think this is Georgia again. I think they moved back to Georgia. I can't I can't move there. But yeah.

It it's it I agree, John. It's very cool setting and location. You know, just like you guys, I think that's why you we all connect really well is because we're always talking about locations and this location for me was It was bringing Scream back to like a small town environment again and It just it was reminiscent of a lot of towns that Maddie and I grew up going to and I'm sure you guys in Ohio there's probably similar towns like this with the small coffee shop and a downtown street and

Um it just had that really cool feel to it, you know what I mean? It was it was beautiful, you know. I I really liked it. And this the cul-de-sac and the neighborhoods, you know what I mean? It was it was very cool, you know. We just needed Yeah, I there could be if it's a drug right on the corner. You know what I mean? Um

What about the shot? Talk about Kevin Williamson directing this film. When we get uh what's her name getting killed in the theater. The theater, yeah. That fucking shot of McKenna Grace, her character Hannah, right? Hanging from the fucking thing. From the back of the stage, right? Yes. Yeah. That's gorgeous.

Gorgeous. Dude, I was like I was like, holy shit. Like d They spent all day getting that shot. That fu it was fucking gorgeous. But that whole sequence was really cool too. You know? I thought that was really cool. We're not like fifteen minutes into the movie when that happened. So I was she was talking about having a party like yes I know two minutes ago. She was like, Yeah, I'm gonna have a party tonight.

And I was like, Oh, there's gonna be a scene at a party, Ghostface is gonna go to the party and there's fucking no party. The party's gone. No, there's no party. Nope. Holy shit. Let's batten down the hatches at the coffee shop. Yeah. And then to go from that, they go home.

And fucking Ghostface is in the fucking house. You know what I mean? I was like, holy shit, that's it. That scene in the walls, man, is something Holy shit, Ghostface comes out from the fucking ceiling. I was like, holy shit, yeah. We're going there already? We just got fucking ghost face like two minutes ago. It was like it was like boom, boom.

It was really, really well paced, you know what I mean? It was cool. Yeah, the pacing was awesome. And the wall scene is cool, but also like your panic room connects like somebody could just buzz through the wall and go into your panic room? Like what the fuck is that? I know, it's more hidden than panic. Yeah. Well yeah, Gail smacks him with the car and they take the mask off.

What the hell is that though? What what does that work into the narrative? I'm just wondering. Well the yeah, well the three killers work together. You know what I mean? They all met in this hospital. So that's that's where that comes from.

Um Chad and Mindy are you have to admit they're wasted. They're absolutely waste products in this movie. Yeah, I don't know about you guys, but I as soon as Waste products. They're the Kirby's of part six. What are they doing in this movie? I was like, why are they here? Why? They are there for PR purposes entirely, I would say, because Kevin Williams was going

Okay, so they they they they did that to my legacy characters. Fuck them. I'm gonna see what they do with the pretty new characters. Fuck'em. That's what they're gonna get. Nothing. Yeah, my biggest ambition is to be Gail's shadow. Yeah, that's what I want. Really? That doesn't make any sense. Come on, you were w I mean way higher than that. Yeah. I think it I think they were shoehorned in because They c had to be due to the

to the collapse of what this movie was intended initially to be. Fans were so pissed. People were talking about boycotting. Everyone's excited that g uh because i if you s stop and think about it, like there was a lot of shit talk around even Melissa Barrera's character before this happened, like people didn't like her. I liked her, quite frankly. I thought I thought she did a nice job and I think she's a good actor.

Um, but I would say the general population had some like so people were really showing up for Chad and Mindy. And plus I think After you have a character like Chad that's been stabbed a gazillion tim like to not use him at this point is almost a disservice to that character's story. Um it is but but why make'em like I'm I don't disagree. I don't think they were used properly.

But I mean, it's like when you watch a Scooby-Doo episode and they go to a haunted castle. They're like the characters that you see for a couple of minutes that just kind of explain a little bit of the backstory. Hey, here's the castle and all right, and then they disappear the rest of the thing at the time you don't really see them. Like it's waste. Yeah. It's just wasted. It was. It was a big waste.

They had to connect the last two movies to this movie somehow so those fans would come over too. They should know. We're gonna be spoiling the ending here for for sure. Um The ending was my least favorite part of this film. It's the worst part of it. Agreed. Yeah. It just didn't make a lot of sense. Um, I can tell you, you know, you know guys, I'm a huge fan of like alternate scripts and endings and stuff, and I do know the alternate ending of this film. There's actually two. Um

But uh what's her name? Anna Camp. Anna Camp's character is Whatever the fuck is her name? Jessica? Bowden or yeah. Yeah, the neighbor. Uh initially when she was in the hospital She talked to Ethan Embry and that other dude. Um that guy that girl smashes. Yeah, that guy that got killed at the beginning. Yeah. She told them that she was Randy's sister.

and she wanted revenge on Sidney and her family because her brother was killed. And they were big fans of Stabs, so they were like, Oh great, we'll help you kill her. So She gets them to do that, but the whole time she still wanted what she wanted in this film that we saw. So after she gets there and she's with like the I guess

I don't know if the other guy survived, but Ethan Emory was definitely there. She reveals that that was all a lie. And then Ethan Emory's like, What the why'd you lie? And then she kills him. You know what I mean? Kind of like almost like uh Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know if that makes it better. What do you guys think? Would that have been a better ending for you guys? No. Just the connection to Stu? No. No, it doesn't matter. No, because that doesn't change her motive.

No, it does. Adds a wrinkle with her with those other people, which I don't give a fuck about anyways. I actually have a not a theory, but the an interpretation of the motive that I think is better than what most people heard. Yeah. I like your interpretation, John. It makes more sense. Because she doesn't I think that they they rush. the the reveal they rush like the explanation. Yeah. Uh and they don't explain it enough. It's just kinda like

You're scratching your head like what the fuck just happened? I wish you would have been in the theater with me and Mike was tell Mike was shushing me so bad. I spilled into the lobby after this movie. Oh he was so loud. And I just started going up What the fuck was that revealing? What is she yelling? What did she want? What the s what she killed her own son'cause it was annoying? What the fuck like

This was Thursday night, like you know, like the opening night before Friday, and people were coming in. I'm like, Matt you gotta stop. I'm like, Matt, there's people coming in, dude. If you ruin it for somebody, I'm like and I finally I I Mike, you understand, you understand. But finally I I got into his head. I'm like, Matt. Imagine if that was you and we were coming in and somebody yelled a killer and you were like, All right. And then he like then he shut up. But it was it was bad, but

I you know, from beginning to end, I like I was smiling through this whole movie. It was like such a fun movie for me. And I think that's why I love it so much. Well let's talk about the one the last big thing we really didn't talk about, which is Stu which is Stu, right? Yeah, the Stu, yeah, connect. I am personally glad I don't know where you guys stand on this, but I'm personally glad that he wasn't alive. Honestly, more than anything. I I would have preferred him to not be in there.

Not being there at all. At all. Yeah. If they were I don't I don't like the way I d I didn't like the AI aspect. If he's used if his presence is the way that it is and you have to choose it's the way it was and it was AI or he was real, which would you pick, I guess, is the question. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's in it in what you saw, but suspend reality and say, but the outcome is that it wasn't AI, it was real. Like where where do you fall on that?

I I don't I don't know. I don't know. Because the thing is it's like it's crazy. It was cringy. Yeah. Well, do you guys know they shot an ending that Stu actually came back? It was a post credit scene and Stu was like walking down the street. And they tested it with audiences and the audiences hated it. Yeah,'cause in the background uh they have Fonzi on vacation jumping the shark.

Park in in Hawaii or wherever they are. That's that's and they stopped and they said, We can't fucking do this. The series dies right here if Sue X comes back. But Kevin Williamson said in an article that they actually shot it and they tested it and people hated it, so he took it out. But so listen to what we talked about in five five, six and seven. The scream the scream have an act three problem.

Lately. All right. I mean let's think about that. Lately. Yeah. Since two thousand eleven essentially it has it's had had a for the last fourteen, six fifteen years, it's had an Act three problem. I would say yeah, but it has there's only so it it's like trying to you're in a a swimming pool that's only five by five and it's like, all right, how do we create something new in here? I need to create a new stroke and it's like, Well you don't have any space.

Like this this you can do one stroke. And there's already six other people in here swimming. Yeah, so I think it's just it doesn't It to Mike, he could still enjoy the movie so much even though he didn't like the ending. That says I guess that says everything, right? I'm with Mike. Like Mike, yeah, I think Burton's gonna move out on this. I mean I agree with that. And I do too. And this movie in particular. You know what I mean? It's all the other elements of the movie, like

made me even though the ending kinda sucked and like the reveal was kind of stupid It it didn't I could let that go because the rest of the movie was so good and we got We got Sydney. You got the setting. You got Sydney's a fighter. Loved it. Yeah. Yeah. Gail was great. Gail's like show up where she fucking just smacks the truck in a face. That was so great. Priceless. Yeah. Um you know what I I would have wished two things.

That the killer reveal would have tied back to the original somehow and I know we've done it a couple of times so I don't know how that's possible, but I think Kevin Williamson could figure that out, find a way. But I wish the the killers would have been those kids because th those kids were such a great group.

of red herrings and they set them all up like they were gonna be red herrings and then none of them were. And that kind of that kind of pissed me off. Yeah, I guess but my assessment of the end of this movie. So my my understanding of this reveal is that that particularly the neighbor, I think she wanted She wanted from Sydney what so many of us

Not us, but the proverbial us want from things that we love. Whether it's a new movie, a new album from a band that you love, you want version one point one. You don't want version nine. Right. Because version nine, you've changed dramatically. You're not the same person. You've had this arc and you're now over here. And I think that the intent behind the reveal was like, uh I'm gonna try and manifest The Sydney that we love.

Right. I wanted to bring you, Sydney, back to a time where we all revered you and you were trauma or whatever she was saying. Trap you in your trauma. Exactly. So I think I think the intent the meta-ness of this is like We're now X number of movies into this franchise. People are p constantly shitting on like the hate around this movie in general has been wildly it like pe I feel like largely people hate this movie, which is weird to me. Yeah. Yes. It's true. And and I think it it it

The hinges to that, right? It's like I I I I think it's like, no, no, we we we want the we want the old Sydney. We want the the thing that we've seen a hundred times before. Yeah. And the point of the movie is like, well, you're not gonna get that. Yeah. So good try. Yep. Mm-hmm. So that so to answer your question about the third do we have a third act problem, I wish we would have tied it back to the original. I think I do see a tie back to the original and it's that, I guess. Okay. Yeah.

Scream thing to do in Scream Eight would be actually to bring Stu back now. After all the dust is settled and everyone is hated on everything. The most meta thing you could possibly do is tease it. Say, oh, it wasn't it, and now fucking Stu's back. Like if they were gonna I'm not saying I would like that. I'm just saying that would be a very scream thing to do. It would now that that it's kind of

Everyone got teased and now they're like, Oh well I guess that's not happening and then bam, right? Yeah. Here it comes. I would accept that, honestly. You really would? I would. I really would. I'm such a fan of, you know, the first movie, obviously that it it it wouldn't bother me if they did and they figured out a way to make it work.

I saw a stupefying interview with Anna Camp speaking of that, where she said basically she didn't have a script for the end of the movie and she She said she had a very loose idea of what her explanation was supposed to be. I'm sitting there going, She's basically saying that not that she didn't have a script, but she didn't have a lot to go on.

Interesting. So if people are blaming the reveal it was almost like she's explaining, well, if you hate it, don't blame me. Like'cause there really wasn't a lot of story there and it wasn't a lot for me to draw on. Wow. Meaning I guess that maybe you should have put a scene or another scene or two in the movie.

Of me and possibly that would have gave her a little bit more backstory or a little bit more substance. You know? That just should be. And I don't I don't hate her. I actually really like her. I like her too, and X. You remember X? That was great. She's great in that movie. But like my reaction to that is like, well if this was you ad libbing and improving then I think you're the one you're maybe you are the one to fuck the Yeah. What did you guys think of uh Mark?

Uh well his Mark Hill is awesome. Is what's his name? No, no, no, no. He's Sidney's husband. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's not the mark from part three, by the way? Joel McHale. Yeah. Yes. Community Joel McHale. He's from community. Exactly. Yep. He looks like he looks I don't know. Weird? Jamie said to me straight up, he goes, Look at that fucking turtleneck, he's the killer.

That was a sentence he said to me. Oh, you thought he was gonna be the killer, Jamie? Well, I was I was like, What is this mark switch up thing all about? Like that that was sus to me. Well it was sus because what's his name didn't want to But he didn't die he didn't die either. He did it would have been a great death scene too. They had the plastic rows. Yeah, come on.

But there was no reason to chat him, honestly. Just kill him. I agree. Newest trope get him out. Newest trope. Maybe he's the killer in Scream A No one does. Get him the fuck out. Uh but n but yeah, no, he he was fine. 'Cause when I first saw his name attached, I was like, Oh no. Yeah, I felt the same way, Jamie. But he was he was legitimately like if they if he walked in the room they're like, All right, we just need you to be a dad.

Yeah, he was fine. He was a dad. Yeah, he dadd the shit out of that. She is. I I know Mike explained this to me, but I don't I don't know why Dewey's in in the end of the other than just to see his face. I I don't know. I I just don't know. Like I love seeing Roman. I love that Scott Foley came back and I love seeing Roman's face. Yeah, we just forgot that happened. I don't

I don't know why that I still don't know why the Dewey's that's a good thing. You know how I feel about fan service, Mike. I I It's a little bit jerk a little bit too much jerking off for me and I don't know man. I think I agree. Like i if you just did the killers that would have been great, but like

Why do we? Why why do we? Yeah. Yeah, Mrs. Loomis and you had Roman quest. How about Randy then? Fucking Randy. How about how about Jill? Just fucking bring Jill. She's a badass. Bring her back. I know. That would've been cool. But Bring Sam and Tara. Why the fuck are we not in this movie? Yeah, I I agree. Yeah, so there's definitely some weak spots, but for me overall this movie is I really like this movie a lot. I'm buying it the second it comes out. By the way.

I know I'm like the last remaining person that may well not physical media because everyone likes physical media, but I go to Walmart and buy them because they they sell'em brand new. Amazon Maddie. No, I bought weapons in Walmart when it came out. Now I'm gonna go when Scream Seven comes out and I'm gonna get the version. The first date gets released. I'm going to Walmart. I'm buying it from the store. I love it. I think it's a good thing. Are you going at midnight?

I don't know if I'm gonna go out Midman. I'll probably go the next day. They're probably not gonna sell out. People hate this movie. We're gonna come to New Jersey. We're gonna go we're gonna be awesome. Just witness Matt and you know what he's gonna pay with cash too. I am gonna pay with cash. We go out to eat, Matt's like Matt's like here, here's cash. He just like throws money at me. I'm like, Matt, still he's offended by cash. What the fuck is that? Just Venmo just Zell me.

Right. So Mike, I think you're I think you and I are the only two that saw this uh twice. Did you what was the second watch? Did it reinforce like did you like it more? Yeah, you didn't hear that at the beginning when we started talking about it. You saw it twice. I took my kids a second time. Did you? That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. They loved it. What did they think of the beer tap?

I don't think they even really thought about that much. The kill that concerned me was the uh um the theater. Yeah. So what was your question, Jamie? Uh did it did you like it more the second time? Because I did. It I don't know if I liked it more, but it reaffirmed that I really, really liked it. You know what I mean? Like so I don't know if that makes sense. It it it it reaffirmed but it also erased what I didn't like kind of disappeared.

You know what I mean? I I just like I focus more on what I like. And what I didn't like just kinda like, okay. I already knew I didn't like that. So it's Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. By the way, Sunday Mike asked me to go again just when he was on the Thursday. I probably will. I'm I think I honestly I'm going to.

I'm going to. I think it's awesome. Yeah. It's fun. It's just a fun movie. The score was great. Yeah. I mean it just Marco Beltrami's back, dude. Just music's cool. That fucking that song The Kill, dude. I literally I play that at my car. Every day. Like I just put it on. I still like Still Alive better. Yeah, that's a good one. That that's an amazing end credit song. Yeah, it's good. But fucking the kill dude is so good. There's something about that song, I just fucking love it.

And we're gonna hear it again before the end of the night. Oh nice. Yeah. What'd you guys think of the so after the intro, John and I were talking about this. Um after the intro it's always like an iconic song that kinda um Yeah to get you into the opening world again. Yeah. Yes.

And I thought this song was good, yeah. Yeah, it's the kill. That's the one. Yeah, I thought it was good. I didn't know the name was, but yeah. Yeah. It sent like a vibe, you know what I mean? Is that uh this sorry to be stupid, but is that the is that the song Mechanic Race is on? With No, that's the No, it's not. No, that song comes later.

Uh I think the kill is the one in the it right after the the opening kill. I think it's that song The Kill'cause it likes it sets up the town, right? That's like when they show the town. Yeah. Well it's her on her phone. It's it's the Billy scene coming in. All right. Gotcha. I think it's the kill, unless maybe I'm wrong. I could be wrong guys. I'm not sure.

I'm almost positive it's in the end. The kills in the end no. You sure? I'm telling you it's like when you're seeing it twice, I wouldn't know. It's like when they're showing the town during the day and they're like jumping it's like a little montage scene. It's it's that song. I'm sure. So I think the very first scene after the opening like burn it all down shit. Yes. It's that hard as well. No, the Gus song No, he's saying she's laying on her bed. Well yeah, they they do go into that once

None of us have seen this movie, by the way. If anyone's got to be a little bit more than that, we're just all farting on each other now. Yeah, we're like that song. No, what the guy the guy the song that you're talking about though, the one that with McKenna Grace, like I don't know the guy's name. I I keep I can't get Mac the nights out of my hand, but it's not a good thing.

Yeah, knife. It's like something like that. It's just nine kills. I just nine kills, that's it. I don't want it. Let's piss the rest of the young people off. Shut it, guys. They're like, fuck these old fuck. Yeah. Oh god. But the millennials like Ice Nine Kills too. Well they I'm sure they do, but I think everybody loves Ice Nine Kills, John, so shut it. Yeah. All right, guys, we ready to move on? Yeah. All right. Our number threes, guys. All right, so my number three is scream three.

Scream three, number three. Jamie. Uh mine is number three. Ah, another scream three. Three dads. My number three is Scream Two. Interesting. Damn. My number three is scream one. No, I'm just kidding. It's scream three. I honestly I my mouth is still what the fuck I was like planning this all along. I'm like I gotta throw throw that in there somewhere just to fuck everybody up, but yeah, no.

One. So there you go. All right, excellent guys. All right, we have to go to two, number two. Yeah, we're doing it again. All right, my two is screen two. James? This is gonna be fun. My number two is Scream. What? I was just sitting here waiting for the for you to say two and I'm like, Are you fucking with us again or are you not fucking with us again? No, I'm dead serious. No, this is a Halloween forte. That's legit. This is a Halloween forte. You know me, guys. You know me. Yeah.

Just was double checking. I knew one of you had two as one and I pegged the wrong person there. Not criticizing. Well and like I'm not I'm gonna do I'm not gonna do disclaimer, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna channel John a little bit here. And really and this is absolute truth. Three

And two could easily, easily, easily be switched'cause I love two so much. Um but when I watched Scream Three this time, I enjoyed myself so much which that the next night I put it on again and my father, who's 80 years old, watched it with me, and he fucking loved every minute of it. Even though he said he you know, he was like, Oh w this w what is this? Okay, but he kept it on, he loved and he was asking questions.

It was the most fun I had in a long time watching a screamy with somebody. Yes. Watching your reactions more than I was watching the movie. Yeah. To see how you react. And I had such an enjoyable um time with it. So that's why that's cool. Number two. I think we're talking Scream Three first anyway. So we are. Yep. You just keep keep rolling with it, dude. All right, Scream Three. So

I think every Scream movie is known for its humor, but this movie, other if you take out the intro to this movie, which as Jane Jane said before is savage, yeah. This movie's a horror comedy. It's absolutely a horror film. More than any of the other films are. The intro with Cotton Weary you're talking about? Yes. The intro is nasty and awesome and amazing. It's I love it so much. One of my favorite. Absolutely. Yeah. But when you remove that scene and and you see Parker Posey come into it.

And we're gonna talk about it. Parker posies, yeah. There's other characters that just make this a funny ass movie. Sure. Yeah. Without a doubt. Absolutely. Yep. I love Sydney in this movie. You know, her progression of her like the way they've written her from Scream One to this movie.

Is like perfect, I feel like. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, the trauma that she's feeling and But she's not shooting like dummies' faces off of shotguns and shit. No, she's not Jamie Lee Curtis or anything. But you can feel the progression of like Fighter Sydney for sure. I love her exclusive residence. With the property. Yeah. I I'll say this, man, like I agree with you, Mike, that

This is a th this is the most genre blending of all of them, I would say. Like comedy is is much more of a presence here. Oh we got our first we got our first comment. I'm so sorry. I have to mention it because we've been waiting. Slasher Steve. Ice nine kills is lame.

Okay. He said Steve said it so that I didn't have to. Thank you, Steve. Yeah, I trust Steve for sure. Well Jamie doesn't agree with that. That's fine. Yeah. That's all right. Oh, well actually I I do agree with it. Oh, okay. I didn't want to be I was trying to be civil. Yeah. You know you like Mac the knife. We've

What's so civil about war anyway? And Steve, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you and I were bonding over twelve tribes. Please correct me if uh that's incorrect, but I still Twelve Tribes is one of my favorite bands. Uh in that Midwest pandemic album I absolutely love, so I'm with Steve on on the music choices.

That's cool. Maddie, I just have to say real quick that I've been listening to the Use Your Illusions one and Two over the past like three weeks. Pretty pretty hardcore, so that reference was apt for me. It's beautiful. James he's I mean uh Johnny says yeah, tribe tell tr twelve tribes rules. So he's he's right there with you on that. Of course that still made me.

So the so the genre blending though, I def I absolutely think this one blends a ton of of of genres, but the M most particularly I would say the the like police uh mystery thriller element is much more like that's obviously a a a factor in all of them, but here it just kind of feels different, you know? You have these Да.

the cop duo, though they introduce humor, they're still like I I'm not repulsed by that one guy being really, really funny, right? Like oh that guy's right here movie called Stab. You I want to talk about Stab. Yes. You know like Yes. Can we talk what's this talk about later? Yeah, he's a great counterweight. Like this this this movie ri just does it well. Like they they balance all that so well. So the next time they show that guy, yeah. Lance Henriksen's

Well he's the he's on a set, right? And he and he's like, Well, you don't think that he had anything to do with this? And then John's John's right, he's like The movies cook made he made a movie called Stab. He was stabbed. Yeah. Just the way he says it. But then but then the next time they find the next Maureen thing, he goes Ten moreities and we have a we have we have a calendar. I was like, You fucking guy's killing me. And then when they're on the set and they're driving, he goes,

Fucking aliens They almost they're driving into the set and they almost knocked the people who are walking in the ha alien headgear. Oh my god, I almost lost my mind. That guy is like ba he is throwing A hundred and five mile an hour fastballs in this movie. That's right. And no one's appreciating it. I love that. But it's it's different than Anthony Anderson and Oh, completely. You know what I mean? It's like it it It's interspersed so much more in a such a it's more balanced. He tells Roman.

Weird. This is the scene where you come with us. Yeah, this is the scene where you come with us. Yeah. Yeah, that guy's great. He's talking to him like he's like a kindergartner. I fucking love it so much. Oh, it's yeah, that guy's funny. Yeah, that guy doesn't, you know, he's like the Joel of you know. He's absolutely gold in this movie. Yeah. He's really good. So this is the movie Stu is supposed to come back in, right?

Yeah. Originally? I think so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Uh-huh. And it was supposed to be like the high school stab club and he was training them or something. Like some kind of weird. But let's talk about the beginning, because Jamie talked about how to cult of Scream kind of. The cult of Scream. Yeah, which is kind of like he'd

Kevin Williamson did that show the following, which was that concept. Exactly. Exactly. That's what he turned that over to. So Cotton is amazing in this movie in the beginning of this movie. Yeah, he's great. Yeah. He's got he's got a show, you know what I mean? He's got his thing. Everybody likes him again. One hundred and ten percent.

And and using the Creed song when when Christine's being stalked, but to do but they use the thrashy, like almost mosh part in the beginning, the vocal the instrumental breakdowns like It's all the tendency to find out. But they use the best part. They cut they cut Scott's death out.

And they just use that power part in the beginning. By the way, I want to I need to talk about wait, do she not step again? Do that again. So good. You have to do all the rest of your picks in that voice the rest of the night. Every time I watch that movie I'm like, do I like Reed?

I kinda do. Honestly. That song's fucking cool as hell. I mean the new metal list for sure. I mean he's singing about God, apparently, because he always does religious as well. It's a great place. Well yeah, I think there was a religious aspect. So Christine in this movie, right? Christine in this movie clearly says when she gets the call from from Ghostface. Okay, Cotton, you know I don't like your stab games. I wanna know what the hell she's talking about. Yeah, what? Is this a kink thing?

Where does cotton like make her put the mask on? Does he rail her and like she's dress she's dressed with ghost face? I wanna know what's going on. What's your favorite what's your favorite dildo? What's your favorite hairy movies? Jesus. Either that or like

Yeah, I don't know. But then but then ghosts. Yeah. I was just, you know, try when he then then he channels Cotton's voice when she traps herself in his office or whatever and she goes, I was just trying, you know, to take the game to the next level. What? Your stab games game to the next level. She just said that.

She goes, The game, what are you talking about? You just fucking mentioned the game. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Now you don't know what game he's talking about. Now you're confused. What's going on? I I'm very confused in the scene because Christine, maybe in her fear she's forgotten that she literally three seconds left.

I mean three seconds ago I just mentioned the stab game. Yeah. But this voice changer was kind of a cool thing, right? It was a cool thing. It doesn't really make sense for the time that this movie was made. There was no technology. Yeah. I don't even know if it makes sense now. We were saying that like this technology might have been available like a week ago. Like yeah, but it certainly was available.

Process it, then it spit it back out. I couldn't do it live, you know what I mean? Like it that wasn't a thing, you know. So yeah, that'd be tough. This has always bothered me. Yeah. Right before he's on top of cotton. He's just about to do the kill thing. He takes the voice chain. There's some voice, I have no idea who is it who it is. Oh interesting. Do you do you know this right before he kills him? Right before it goes to the SAB three the Scream Three credit sequence.

He does the thing, but then he takes it away and it's some voice that's not even it's nobody's voice. Interesting. Where did this where I don't know where it comes from? I have no idea. I'm so clear. What's he say? Yeah, I have to rewatch that. I'm not sure what he says. Whatever the last line is before he kills him. Well it's I think he says you lose.

Maybe. Why would they use that? Yes. Why would you think that's a good one? I think that's like the last line he has. You know what? It's because it's Christine under the mask and she's like, Now we're gonna fuck. I can't believe we're screen theory. We're finally talking about this and you're talking you got you got dildos flying around the world. Well hey man, I'm just saying they got some kind of stab. What do you do with the dildos?

So what do you now we've talked about ghosts before? Yeah, that's it. What's your take on Sydney's mother coming back? Oh, it's very nightmare in Elm Street. Isn't it? Those are the sc First off, my my picture window in my living room looks exactly like that fucking one. Jamie, does it not? Dude.

And okay, so I saw this one in the theater. It came out in what, ninety nine? Yeah. Two thousand. Yeah. Two thousand, yeah. Two thousand, all right. So I was thirteen, you know, thirteen, fourteen years old. And then when it came out on video, I remember watching all my friends are over in My best friend at the time I remember he's like, Oh my god, dude, that window, it's the same thing. I was like, I know.

And even to this day now, sometimes I look out there and I'm just waiting for Maureen. Um but that scene is scary as hell and then the body bag scene. I think that might be the scariest scene in this entire Franchise. Franchise. Yeah. That is the bold statement I made. It's that's the greatest that's the greatest set piece in any stream film. It's a perfect

So perfect set piece. And as we're gonna find out, I mean you wanna talk about the significance of it? Yeah, a little bit. Magni, my bold take was scariest uh the a scene in that house is scarier than any scene in Stu's house in part one. So we're on the C that's true.'Cause it's essentially Tina from Nightmare North Street. Talk about the Nightmare North Street callbacks again, right? It's Tina.

Yeah. Yeah, and they even use the body bag in the original Nightmare on Elm Street in the hallway. Stop your hall pass or whatever she says. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Parker Posey is so funny in this. We're talking about the comedy comedic elements.

When she jumps into uh The guy's arms. Yeah, Steven Stone's arms. It's like come on, it's a comedy. It's it's brilliant. That's proof right there. Brilliant. Yeah, it's so good. And Scott Foley at the end, you know what I mean, with his Roman Bridgers like lines and just the fucking Jenny McCarthy does a the little memorable little thing that she does kind of. She does, yeah.

Shower's been done for. Hello, Vertigo. Speaking of vertigo, we talked about it before a couple of times. Now it actually comes up in the movie in dialogue. I mean that i that's a fantastic scene too. That whole scene. Oh great scene. Yeah. The way he comes out from behind all the other stream costumes that are sitting there, kinda comes out and you see his

Is it the close up of his foot coming off the thing and then the coolest yeah. Yeah, it is. They also make it where like you almost are ready for her to die'cause she's so grating in that scene, to your point, Matty. Yeah, yeah. I love when the but when the head flies off. Is there another script change? Has there been another goddamn rewrite? Yeah, another goddamn rewrite? Yeah. She breaks his award. That's a bizarre scene though.

Because she's talking to R well she's talking to Roman, but she's not really talking to Roman, right? Yeah. Well yeah. Yeah. But that has to be the only time that's a big thing. They almost tell you before beforehand. Oh well Roman but the ghost face really veils himself, but he's disguising himself as Roman. So essentially it's telling you a little bit of like hey, here I'm giving you this if you find it in in time. Yep. You know. Man. It's kind of interesting.

I I I never really thought of that fact. But yeah Roman's response by the way, before that cops like this is the scene where you come come with us. When he's like and and and to boot, I think I'm the next victim and he pulls up the thing, he's like, You don't think this is a sign? And it's the fucking trophy.

Trophy, yeah, with the head yeah, the head fell off. That's great. Yeah. I mean that's just like those little quips, like Yes. It is it's just filled with those. Like every turn it's just like Like we talked about before fucking Kevin Smith and fucking Jay and Silent Bob are in this movie. Like how could you take the movie that seriously if those two idiots are But then as to so John mentioned the house.

It's the most poetic thing probably in the whole entire series. And where I say, and then Jamie kind of piggybacked on that. I I because if you think about it. She's in her own house, the place that she's most familiar with. But now where she is in her life, she is essentially a stranger in her own fucking house. And that if you think about the depth of that moment for her. It's brilliant. There's just a brilliant there's a l there's a high literary quality to

almost having her show up and be a stranger in the place where she should know the most and be the most comfortable, she's ap is is absolutely her trapped nightmare. I think that's that that's genius. Yeah. Who wrote this one? This is Aaron Kruger Kruger. Yeah. Yeah. With a treatment by Kevin Williamson though. So Kevin Williamson gave him his treatment and he sort of wrote the script based on the Aaron Kruger. Isn't that funny? Yeah.

He's a guy that wrote like Top Gun Maverick and he wrote that movie with Reindeer Games with uh Ben Affleck when from the late nineties, whenever that was. Yeah, he's a good writer. That's a good bangers. He wrote that F one movie with Brad Pitt. Oh, that's right, he did. Yeah. Oh he co wrote that. Yeah, I think he is on the fucking great movie too. Yeah, it's awesome.

Guys, we gotta talk about something though. Because uh we know we were all told that Roman this is supposedly the only scream with one killer, right? Roman Bridger. Correct. Yeah. Uh so he was the sole mastermind, supposedly, uh of the murders in Scream Three. But if you look closely, the movie is full of contradictions. And today, fellas, I'm gonna prove that Roman didn't do this alone. And I have proof at the end that's gonna blow your mind. You ready?

So fact number one, Angelina was originally written as a second killer. And I know you guys know that because I gave you the script that we're gonna read on our Patreon episode shortly after this. Um but this is the biggest clue of all. Early scripts reveal Angelina Tyler was Roman's partner. They were like dating. Um they kept her susp suspicious scenes

Even after cutting the reveal. So like her scenes weren't changed at all in the film. Like they didn't go back and reshoot the reactions or anything. All that stuff was the same. Going forward. They just took out the fact of the reveal. Like the bathroom scene when Sydney sees her before she walks on the set, all that stuff. She wasn't stealing stuff. She was supposed to be

Well, here we go. Right. Yeah, sorry to you're right. Now you're right. Yeah, yeah. Her her behavior like is all the same, basically. All right. So fact number two. Angelina anticipates the explosion at Jennifer's house. You remember this scene? Mm. So if you watch this again guys, then I want you to stumbles down the hill, you mean.

During the script reading scene, Ghostface triggers the house explosion, even though it looks like what's his name lit the match and went off. That's fucking impossible. That wouldn't I don't think that would really happen. But Angelina, if you look at that last thing they're all outside, Angelina breaks away and runs in a different direction before the blast happens. Go watch it again. Right. Well you see her and she takes off before anyone else reacts. Right. Yeah.

Um, so that's pretty huge, okay? Uh fact number three: Angelina constantly disappears before attacks. Think about it. Uh before Tyson's chase. She's gone, nowhere to be found. Before Gail and Jennifer enter the secret passageway in the house, she's nowhere to be found. And during pretty much the whole mansion sequence, she runs away and she's not with any of the members of the group, okay?

So every time Ghostface appears, she's gone. Okay. And you do see her laying at the bottom of the stairs and being dragged, but that's so it's so vague. There's no it's off screen, you don't see a stab, you don't see anything. And to go back To uh what's her name? To uh Sarah Darling's Kill.

The original uh there's a scene where Roman Bridger is on the roof calling Sarah in the office. Mm-hmm. So who the fuck Jenny McCarthy you mean? Jenny McCarthy. Who the fuck is in the studio in the ghost face mask in all those groups? I'll tell you who, Angelina. So they had to cut the C Roman on the roof. They cut it out. Yeah, they cut it out. So

Putting on Roman's voice, the one that's talking to Jenny McCarthy? It is, but they have the changer, so you know what I mean? But it could just be Roman pretending. That's true. That's true. So fact number four, her death is off screen and convenient. Matt, you mentioned that, right? You show it, it's not shown It's kind of rushed, she disappears for a while, and then all of a sudden you just see her at the bottom of the stairs and you just see her body being dragged off, okay? Um

She was supposed to return and they changed it, they edited it for whatever reason. Okay. So the timeline proves that a second killer exists. Several scenes in Scream Three cannot be done by Roman alone. Uh he's pretty much dead inside the mansion hiding in that in that coffin, right? Faking his death while Ghostface attacks outside. So how is that possible? I ask you that question. Uh he's on set moments before Ghostface appears in the hidden passages.

Um, he can't physically move fast enough to be in multiple locations. So the only explanation is that in this movie, I'm not telling you it was in the original script, I'm telling you in this movie there is two killers. Like we're watching this movie, there's two killers, okay? So uh fact six, Angelina's motive fits the ghostface pattern. Angelina wanted fame. She wanted to be Sydney, very similar to uh sif you know, f movies coming after this.

And she wanted to escape her past, okay? Her guilt, her panic and lies are consistent with other secondary killers like Stu, Mickey, and Jill. So this is the biggest one yet, and I'm going to ask Matt to look at this and I'm gonna pull something on on screen so you guys can see. Do you guys own this box set?

No. No. You don't? Do you know it? No. It's the Ultimate Scream Collection. It's one through three. It's a D V D box that I highly recommend it. It's really cool. It's a D V D, so it's not Blu-ray. But it came with this booklet, okay? And I'm gonna ask Matt to go through this booklet. The coolest thing about this booklet is it has all three movies, right? So there's a little passage about each movie.

But at the end of each passage, there is an RIP scream cast members for each movie. Matt, look at scream one. Does this check out with scream one? Do you see? Go ahead, call everybody out. So, yep. Maureen. Steven the guy uh Casey's boyfriend Casey, Principal Hembry, Tatum, Kenny the cameraman, Stu and Billy. Okay.

So flip over to you get the scream too and check out make sure that one checks out. So we got Omar Epps, we got Phil Man, we got Maureen Jada Pinkett, we have C C got R I P C C uh Randy. No Officer Andrews and um what the hell's his name? Richards. Officer Richards Haley of course, Derek, Mickey.

Hello, Derek. Debbie Salt. All right, so we're gonna go to Scream Three. I'm gonna pull it up now, guys. You guys look at it as Matt's looking at it. Matt, read read who's on there. Scream three. Christine, Cotton Weary. Um Sarah Darling, Jenna McCarthy. Uh Stone, Patrick Warburton. Uh Tom, who plays um the good looking guy who plays, I guess, Dewey's the cop Dewey in stab movies. Yep. The stab movie. Um Tyson, Jennifer, John Milton, and Roman Bridger.

John and Jamie, who is missing who is missing from this this RIP list? Yeah, she's missing. Steven Stone doesn't work for Yo. Uh but seriously, I she's not on here. That's wild. This is a wild thing. Dude, that is wild. Yeah. So That's mind blowing. That's mind blowing. I'm gonna put this out to you guys. I love Scream Three even more now, knowing I can watch it back and know that Angelina is alive and got away somehow.

I don't know how it po it's possible, but I believe it. I really do. I believe this and I wanna believe it because it makes more sense to me now that there's two killers and I think it's cooler. And who knows, maybe Angelina will come back and scream eight. This is the anti sixth sense. You know you're you're con you know now you know she's alive and you know that David Dunn in in Stick Sense is dead, so it's like the anti Six Sense kind of thing.

in my mind and I I was probably annoying the shit out of my wife because I kept pointing all this out to her. Right. And it makes so much sense when you watch it back knowing this. It makes so much fucking sense. Yeah. No, that's insane. Yeah, it's pretty nuts, right? Isn't that cool? Yeah. Who knows who texted me while uh Jamie was doing this and said your brother in law's a flat earther now. Wait, what?

Angelina's a killer. No, I'm just joking. Oh, because of the Angelina thing. By the way, the Roman the sibling fight, Roman and and Sydney, is amazing. Oh, the emotion The emotional stakes are through the roof though when he shoots her like five times. Like you're like holy other than other than one Doc Martin shots kicks to the face. Like this is hardcore. This is the best third act, other than that. Absolutely. Absolutely agree.

I disagree. Okay. Okay. I agree. I think it's great. I agree. No, I love that you guys love it. I I do not like you like the one from Screen. No, and that's fine. That's right. So screaming screens. No, people think that Oh I love it. You don't think two drags out two is like fifth like twenty-five minutes? Oh I don't know. I I love to. Yeah, maybe. Wait a minute.

I love it too. I'm not saying I don't love it. I'm saying it's no longer that. Yeah, but it differentiates. This is like m you and me for fucking seventy-eight minutes, just back and forth. I shoot you, you shoot me, I shoot you. Well guess what? Bulletproof vest.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Should we I know should we move to Scream Two? No, because this is my favorite Scream three is my favorite ending in the m in the in the whole franchise. It's my my favorite ending, the door open and she doesn't go and she looks at it.

And she doesn't set the alarm, the door's open, and she just walks away. I think it I no, I really do. I think it's amazing. I think it's I think it's an incredible ending. You know what my favorite part of the ending of this movie is? You don't like the ending of this movie? Uh no. How about when Patrick Dempsey's like Hey we're watching a movie, let's go in the other room Certainly not my favorite, no. No like the ending the very, very end part. Are you good with that or no?

What do you mean by the way? But if you think back to two thousand. They were putting this in the middle of the state of the city. Via videotape that is that the sister on the set shows him that j you know, you you get Randy here, right? You get that videotape of him talking about the trilogy, right? Yeah. This is the perfect ending because it's Jedi, right?

You have the big giant third act reveal. You have every it's it's the end of something, like very concretely, the end of something. So it's this beautiful end where She can now rest that ghost face isn't gonna come. Like she doesn't have to lock up the door. She doesn't have to close it. Fuck it. I feel safe. Like it gives you some semblance of an ending. Which in two thousand they didn't know what they were gonna do at this point. I mean, yeah, they make money you make them, but look, it took

Fucking eleven years for the next one to come out after this. So right. Certainly this took a long sabbatical after this. Yeah. Why did all these people drive six hours to the country wherever the fuck? Mark's there. Fucking Detective Mark is it's like what what are all these people doing? That's the part that I was dying. Like watch him when he's like Hillcrest Academy, they all grew up at the Chris Hillcrest Academy. Watch when Patrick Dempsey like go watch again at the end, he's like, hey.

Like I got some popcorn, you wanna go watch a movie? And he just like he like almost like I like I in my head I imagine him like not w turning around and walking. He like backs out like very strangely like Like he backs out of frame. It's like kinda weird. It's very creepy and strange. Almost like you're gonna think he's gonna come around the corner like with the ghost like he's a robot. Yeah, we read Harrington, but he's just fucking weird.

He's just a big thing. I mean, oh no, it's not him. I'm s yeah, what's it? It's his partner. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And that guy doesn't die, right? He just disappears. That guy does not die. Yeah. That guy should be the killer. He should come back.

Yeah, cool. That's cool. I like that. That would be interesting. That would be interesting. Or that he helped or something, yeah. Uh so to your point, I do like that part where she leaves the door unlocked. Like I'm I can now put this to rest, like I'm good to go, yeah. I do like that. No, you can disagree. I listen, this is I was still thinking with the Roman bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do love Roman. I love Roman too. I love. No, he's not. Oh, he's he's gone now.

Oh now I shoot her, but no now she's gone. Yeah. Jamie's pissed. I love it. I didn't realize you've been thinking about this so much. I know, he really has. He really has. That's great. Um I I love screaming three though. I was gonna say Jamie sounds like he's gonna move four and seven above this. It sounds like it's never a lot of things.

Uh especially the young people you'll see like on i on the internet uh that will say like, Yeah, how could how dare anyone put three above five or six, you know what I mean? Crazy. Three above six. I uh everyone's entitled to an opinion. I totally feel that's the case, but no. Well people hate I feel like people hate the the actor versions of like the the stab actors. Richie just wanted to make movies. And I read him a thinner.

And all this stuff get the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah. Gotta get your eyebrow filter on first there, Matty. That's it. Alright, well we gotta finish our list so we can talk about things. So well it's pretty obvious now, Matt. You can guess. The number one, John. Number one. Screen. Yeah, he's going screen. Oh, Matt deleted everything. No, I'm just kidding. No. Jamie is number one. It's a scream, baby. Number one. Maddie's number one. Maddie's number one is scream one. The OG.

And I'm screamed too. I'm gonna fight to the death. So now we could talk you wanna talk Scream Two first and then we have the Irish twins here'cause they literally came out within eleven months of each other. This is crazy, crazy that we were getting Friday the thirteenth, eight in the eighties quantity with this. I mean and we got two of the best films. Let I mean that's amazing.

I think I saw something that they were two of the biggest blockbuster hits of the of nineteen ninety seven uh because of To your guy's point that Scream made most of its money in ninety seven because it came out so late in ninety six. Yeah, that's great that's that's insane. That is insane. Yeah. Bold statement, I think this is every bit I think this beginning is every bit every bit as good as the first one. Uh yeah. I love this intro that much. I know. That's a that's a good a good thought.

It's it's very clever, it's very m you know, obviously. It's cool. And we get we get stab for the first time, right? So now we have stab. We get the whole point of the movie, what Mickey's gonna talk about, right? Yeah, we get This media, right? That uh celebrating vibe. It's everything. It's kinda cool. Like Yeah. Yeah. And my actually this feeds your question feeds into my bold statement about Scream Two. I would say my favorite

cast is Scream Two. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because of all the Anslery characters, like even Omar Epps and Jada Ping and Smith in the beginning. Like those are our two throwaway characters, right? Like they make so much And they're t it's great. Yeah. Yeah. And and the the opening sequence is is incredible, but better loosen your wrist. Yeah, you better loosen your wrist. That whole thing my wife and I still to this day say I've got my money, I'm I want your money or whatever the line is like

I I got my money. I I asked for your money. This fucking thing. Like I Yeah, yeah, yes, yes. I just love that like I don't go to a movie theater ever, ever and not think about this movie. Ever. Some scared going to the basket. Shit. Yeah. But this this just uh I have a question for you guys. How long have Maureen and Phil been dating?

The two in the beginning. How long have they been dating? Is this four months? This is date number what? I honestly Mike, the number I was gonna say was three months, so I'm with you. Yeah, not four or four months. All right, so this is like date six or seven, maybe?

Yeah, six seven is always there. God damn it. We have nobody young enough, hopefully, that listens to this this time. Oh, I was gonna say you guys are teachers. Well you have you have uh a couple dads over here, so we're familiar, but I think we're way past that trend, Matty. I hope. We're not because I hear it every day when I walk into the cafeteria. I hear it every day from a third grade. He goes, Mr. Billy, six seven. And I go, Scream seven. I guess I so I tell him scream seven.

That's I'm brainwashing'em. And then they scream the number seven. Scream seven. Dude, they've seen it before me. Trust me. Yeah. Yeah. How cool is it when uh Omar Epps is in the bathroom and he hears someone mumbling? But do you know have you guys heard what What it's Mickey, right? This is Mickey the killer, obviously.

I think uh what's her name only kills Randy. I think she doesn't kill anyone. I think she kills Randy. She definitely kills Randy for sure. But that's that's supposedly that's the only kill that she has. Really? Yeah. Really? But so Mickey's C C as well? Yeah. So Mickey No Mickey, th I forget, but there's something about it's almost like a like a a nod to who the killer is, but it's like

Something like mommy, don't do a mommy. It's like something about mommy. If you listen to the isolated audio, it's something about mommy. And it's almost like Friday the thirteenth. Well I was gonna say scream three killer mommy. Scream th three is the same thing. Yeah. Like

'Cause that when she when she floats in by the window, whatever we were talking about before, she says something like you know, mommy, she says something that the same thing. Well, yeah. Like like like in part two at the end. Right. Jason, mother's talking to you. She does that kind of same thing. Yeah, she does that. But there's something that you know, Mickey's whispering about mother, you know. So you can actually just it's audible dialogue. Yeah. Yeah. I put on my my

I have my like my uh AirPod Maxes and I could hear it. You know what I mean? If you have good headphones. Do that. And watch the faculty. Cause you know that one couple they keep coming back to? One the girl and the guy that are arguing on the bench on the t at the lunch table or whatever. And then the one time you pass, she's just hitting him and he's like he's now one of them, right? They're but when they're all sneaking out and everyone's looking at them.

There's all if you put your headphones in, you can hear what they're saying. It's amazing. That's all they are playing some weird shit. Yeah, because they're like fleeing the school. Makes it so much better, like to watch it that way. Yeah. That's awesome. Um, what do you guys think about Sarah Michelle Geller's character, Cece Cooper, what do you think I've said this before, if this was the opening to the movie?

And I'm not saying I love the opening that's that's there in Scream Two, but don't you think it would make more sense if C C's kill was the opening to Scream Two? Oh if you're gonna copy the first movie. Yeah. But they didn't. I know. But the setup I mean the setup like if you if you take story continuity out of this entirely, right? Because I look at uh the way I look at the question is like okay then how

you know, the sequence of events is then clearly disrupted from from there. Uh then Derek doesn't get slashed and all that shit. If you just said, Hey, you've got two scenes, you've got the movie theater scene, you've got this scene, which one would make a more reasonable opening? I mean, I feel like yes. That would make more sense is the answer. Well think about it. They're like playing up the whole college angle to scream, right? So Sydney's in college now, so it's like college.

Like the movie theater's cool, but that doesn't say college to me, that's just a movie theater in a small town. But if you started with a girl in a sorority and she picks up the phone and she's getting fucked with by Ghostface in her sorority

And then shh, you know what I mean? Ghostface. But it's all about media violence, right? And that's what the beginning of the only because it ties into the end and the explanation better. I think symmetrically I think that's why they used it. But to your point, if this was stream one,

And you substituted this for Casey Becker. Yeah, it's a it's a great you could definitely cast this as a cold open, there's no question. Yeah. Because she's an awesome character.'Cause I don't know how you guys feel. I know that there were other scenes filmed with Sarah Michelle Geller and they cut'em out. Um but

It's like she would have she wouldn't have been in the classroom either though. She wouldn't have skills. You have a heart on for Cameron. She wouldn't have got killed in the beginning. But I feel like that's what I'm saying. Like she wasn't utilized enough.

For her to be a character that anybody really cares about. I I care very deeply for Caesar. Well, I do too. But like if you killed her off in the beginning, I felt like it would have made more sense. I said, How about you stay away from her, Matty? She's she's the love of my life. Yeah. You guys are gonna fight for her. Uh you guys know she started dating Jerry O'Connell from this movie? Really? Really? Yeah, I heard you met him on this movie and started dating him.

Oh, that didn't last very long, huh? Yeah, I guess he must have serenated her really well with top. Oh god. That's great. Um but anyway, I thought Steve's kill would have been a cool intro to the movie, but it would have been. I th I think you're right. Mike, I don't know I'm sorry what the audience sees, but we still see the uh ranking.

Oh, I'll take it off. Yeah. Thank you. I I don't know from a production standpoint. The Dewey Randy scene where he's explaining the rules is is absolutely immaculate. It's perfect, right? Did it ever bother you guys that Oh dude so good. He doesn't he never gets to finish explaining Yes, it does bother me, yeah.

So I looked on IMDB'cause it's like you know, because he says the whole thing, right? Um number two, the death scenes are always more elaborate, Carnage Candy, and then number three, if you want sequels to become a franchise, never ever any stops because Dewey cuts'em off. And it's like so it

That would have been some good information. Never ever assume the killer is dead is what is what IMDB says. It actually completes the phrase for you. So I don't know, but that always bothered me. I'm like, what the fuck is it? What like you don't finish the rules, dude? But that's kinda cool because He doesn't know the last one and he he dies, right? Isn't that kinda cool? That in a way? It's like a symbol almost. Symbolic. Just like Halloween.

He's telling the story to Loomis while they're going to the grave. He finished his dinner and then He got himself a hacksaw. Charlie Bowles We're in Russellville. Yep. He kissed his wife and kids goodbye. And then he Well where are we? I love I love that scene where Dewey and Randy though are in the little lake.

coffee shop area, ice cream place in the college. Like that scene is great though. When they're kind of talking about who the killers are. Oh, it's so fucking cool. Yeah. And when he says let's move on, I love that. Yeah, you know what my only problem with that is like

They they go through a list of suspects, which is like a real list, and they write everyone off so fucking quick. He's like we got Mickey, the film student. But if he's a suspect, then so am I. So let's just move on. I love that. I think that I think that's a good thing.

They really don't get much accomplished in there, that's for sure. Yeah, they get nothing. They don't and I think that's the point, you know? Yeah. You were on it. I think it's the point. Yeah.'Cause we're they're fucking with us, you know what I mean? They're just like

stroke in it going and we are we like, Oh please give us more like I want more of that's these two characters are amazing and I want more of this dialogue, like them talking about shit. Like it's just so it's just so cool. Do we eat the ice cream? I love that. Oh, I love it. He loves ice cream. Part one, part two. Yeah.

Does he do ice cream in three? I don't think he does. By the way, I love the way you know the same way. Let me swear. The same way that Jamie Lee Curtis is in the classroom and they talk about And about fate, right? Yeah. Fate never changes. It's like Bueller part six part five. But then David Warner, the the theater director, says none of us can avoid our fate, but as an artist we can face it and fight it.

Right. He's just basically talking about Sydney in real life, not Sydney what she needs to access. In order to play Cassandra, whatever the fuck her name is in this production. So it's kinda cool how they plant

purposeful little pi bits of dialogue in there that kind of foreshadow what's gonna happen. I always like that kind of stuff. No, it's really cool. It's And I like how they try and weave that back in in Scream Seven a little bit. The like, oh you did theater? I didn't realize that. And they have some pretty meaningful dialogue I think that

Is a couple of blocks away from what you were just quoting there, Maddie. Yeah. Oh, here's another thing I noticed. Derek in this m movie, when he goes in the back of the house, he gets his arm slashed, right? Yes. Tara also is Derek his pu w let me ask you a question. Is Derek was Derek an original killer? He was. See

I have a theory about this that the real killers always get slashed in their fucking arm by ghost face. Like it's almost it's like in three or four of the movies. Jill does too. Completely almost identical to Derek. So when I saw this, I wanted to ask you'cause I didn't actually look this up. So Derek wasn't original. It was originally Derek and Haley, uh Sydney's room. Haley? Yeah. No, I wouldn't Derek I would have dug, but I don't know about Haley. I don't know what the reason was, but

Yeah, they were the killers, the original killers. Yeah, and they just the script leak happen and like they had to change like they had multiple like versions of scripts. Oh okay. But I don't know. It's just weird. You gotta re next time you rub just see how many people get slashed in the arm. That actually turned out to be one of the ghost cases. That's interesting that's interesting.

Favorite scene from a screen movie is when um when Sydney and Haley are in the car and with the cops and they get crashed into. I fucking love that scene. That's a that killer. Because I have that written down for mine. Nice dude, when I saw I saw this in theaters with my wife and it was like the tension in the theater was like insane. It was crazy. Yeah. Cool fact.

Is it better than anything in Scream? It's better than anything in the first Scream, right? I think singularly. One of the reasons why I put this as my number one. Do you guys know this? That this scene was originally written for I Know What You Did Last Summer? Holy shit. Helen, he said, right? Helen. You know when Helen's with the copy in their carway?

I mean, I'm not sure if you're something was gonna happen and she was gonna be trapped in the car with the fisherman killer and she was gonna climb over'em before she got ran out to the Helen department store. They didn't have the budget or the time, something happened, and they had to cut it, and Kevin threw it in this movie.

Isn't that crazy? Because it makes sense. That would have been like it totally would have just fit perfectly with that with that movie. You know what I mean? If you write an awesome guitar part in the same key, you might as well use it in the next song. Exactly. That's it, man. Man. Move it to the next. So is that a storm?

We're getting one. Yeah. Oh nice. Thunder and lightning outside, guys. So scream to the end, I absolutely I could watch I could just watch the end of this movie over and over again. I love Mickey so much. I think it's I know people like hate on him and they're like he's so corny and he's he's overdoing it and everything but I think Timmy Olif Timothy Oliphant is so good in the end of this movie. He's anyone that acts like a douche during a reveal is trying to be him.

I was gonna say Derma Mulroney wanted to be him. Yeah, yeah, like that's true, that's true, Jamie. Yeah. No, I wasn't trying to name names, Jamie, but since you did it for me. You've named them plenty. Yeah, we're good on that. Mike and I were talking about this earlier because he had it on earlier. We actually when I come over we were kinda planning in the in his kitchen.

And the living room was right adjacent, you know, the wall separates it, but yeah, I could hear that he was watching'cause I could hear the I think I love you serenade in the that that Derek sings at the city. And um and it's so funny because I was Mickey's the one they kinda throw you off his scent because like

Let's hear all the love, come on. He's like he's like totally brown up Derek. I'm like, Well maybe he's not like they kinda throw you off there a little bit. I mean, he's such a great character, like Yeah. He he truly is like a that's like a guy you go to college with. Yeah. That's a guy you tell stories about oh my god, my friend Mickey No, I don't talk to him anymore'cause he like he used to drink uh an entire thing of Patron, but yeah, like that's that friend. Like Yeah. Legitimate

Presence. And I love how they tied in him carrying the camera around all the time and then they cut to the footage and it then it makes sense. It's like, oh, it's gotta be him. You know what I mean? Like it's kinda cool that it all ties together. And the fact that we get I just you know, anything that ties back to Sydney is a good reveal for me and the fact that

Billy's mother is the main, you know, person that sort of orchestrated this. I think it was kinda cool. You know what I mean? Yeah, and she's good. She's really good. She is good, yeah. I think she's a good actress and did a she's a great actress. Yeah. If if and I feel like they Modified mid-film due to the script leaks that she was the killer? Because I think

What when they pivoted away from Derek and I guess then they must have Oh, y it was supposed to be Derek and Haley. Derek and Haley, so they pivoted away from that. Which is interesting because w I wonder I wonder what the reason, like what was their motive, you know? I'd like to know that as well, yeah. Yeah. That I I have no idea. Like how do they connect in any way to Woodsboro? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean maybe maybe he just wanted to be Billy Part two, like oh it'd be your nother your new boyfriend that's also'cause nobody be maybe nobody would be suspecting

Her boyfriend again. Because Randy even said I think maybe that's a good thing. Like you can't count but at the same time you're going, Why would they do that twice? Right. That would be kinda cheap, you know, if Kevin Williamson to do that. But it would also be on it would also be a little bit tricky. You wouldn't you wouldn't suspect. Who knows? Yeah.

Love this movie. Screen two, man. Screen two. My number one. So yeah, I'm ex I was excited to talk about it. One of my favorite scenes by the way is that m like the music studio. Down the colour. Very cool. Yeah. It's good. It's really good.

the other day and I I didn't my youngest daughter, she'll walk down the stairs um in my office down here frequently and I don't know if she's there'cause she does it quietly. And that scene was on and I turned around, she was standing there watching and I was like, Yeah. Luna, you can't You can't watch this. Yeah.

But I love the the innocence of Dewey and uh Gail right before this when they're like about to like with the music and everything like has his hand on her on her breast his hands just on her breasts and he and she's like Dewey and he's like what? Oh

Is this what you've been looking for? He's like my whole life. It's like that's like the cutest moment. See you see what I'm saying about Scream Five? Like that's not Dewey in that movie. That's David Arquette playing somebody else. You know what I mean? Like Well it's supposed to be the down and out fucking suicidal dewy.

Yeah, but people don't change, right, Jamie? Like, not like that. No, yeah. I don't think he would change that much. We also haven't been stabbed multiple times and been through a serial murderer, so I don't know exactly what I would be like in that position to it. I'll say this, to round this out, I named my cat after this Dewey. No, did you really

Not not that Dewey, not Scream Five Dewey. Oh, Scream one through four Dewey. I was like maybe your cat's like a real dick or something. I was gonna say was your cat like tied ropes around the deck and stuff and trying to put it around his neck and stuff? Who knows? Yeah, he's just re he lives in a trailer out behind the house. That's fine. Yeah. Well, I also read that um Sheriff Hartley in this one is David Arquette's dad.

In real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yep. It is. That's cool. Which is funny'cause that one scene he they walk by each other. And he's like, Sheriff and he's like Dewey and they smile at each other and it's like an obvious like not like father son. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. If you watch it again, you'll catch it. It's pretty cool. Yeah. All right guys, scream one. You're you're all of your number ones, my number two. Well I I assume Mat uh Mike this is a coin flip for you.

It really is. Yeah. For me, Scream Two, I forgot to mention Scream Two is just I feel like it's Scream One but like more fun, more action packed. There's more just like fun scenario and scenes and kills and that kind of stuff. Is it more rewatchable for you?

It is. It is. It definitely that's what sets it apart. Yeah. Yeah. That's for me, that's always what sets it apart. So I would put Scream Two on over Scream One most times. You know what I mean? Gotcha. Yeah. But I will say this, Scream, we've told the story for Five thousand times on here. Matt saw Scream One first and with my dad with his dad and he told me, Mike, you gotta see this movie and we heard about it but

You know, remember the times back then? Horror was kinda. I saw the Rolling Stone I saw the movie review and Rolling Stone magazine. I'll never forget it. Yeah. And I saw it and it had Sydney with with her just a a kind of a medium close or a close up of Sydney talking on the phone and I was just like I knew I watched Party of Five. I'm like, shit, what is this? You know, this is kind of cool. I know that girl. And I and they just gave it such a positive.

Review and I'm like, horror like a horror movie? Getting a positive review? What's this? Yeah. And I remember Matt, you tell me that. You're like, Mike, I really want to see this movie with you. And I was like Yeah, I was planning on it, sure. And he's like, No, Mike, we gotta go. And I was like, Oh, yeah. By the way, that's the one and only time in history where I said to Mike, We have to I've seen something, now you have to come and see me'cause every other thousand times Mike has seen it.

And I ha and he's going, Right Maddie, I need to take you. You gotta get it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So long story short, we go see the movie, Matt's watching me thinking the whole time that I hate it. And then the movie, the credits roll and Matt looks at me, he's like, You hate it? He like literally said that to me and I was like No, I fucking loved it. You turned really slowly in dramatic glass. Yeah.

Like I guess I didn't react enough for you, but like I was literally like in shock of how good it was that I was like frozen, you know, just like so invested in the movie. And that doesn't happen very often, you know what I mean? So yeah, it was a cool experience, you know what I mean.

Yeah, so you guys this was you didn't see this in theaters, this was a rental for you guys? Yeah. Two I honestly I just do not remember where I saw this for the very first time. Well, Jamie was in high school, right? You were in high school, you were fifteen or fourteen, fifteen or something. So you kind of see it in theaters. Yeah. Totally, yeah. Yeah, so I just missed there's just no way. Yeah.

Dump time. So you you guys watched it. Yeah. None of you guys watched this with your mom before school? Before school. No. Yeah, I know. Like I I would watch all my illicit content on HBO back then. Okay, gotcha. You'd have to have a Say a Prayer for the Youth of America, right? That's it. Yes, yes.

Dad, the lyrics though. I gotta see this movie. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be sneaking real sex at eleven thirty PM. Oh my god. You remember that show? Sure do, but the way you said that, my God. Well, and that's what you do. You said you said lyrics, so one thing let's just get this out of the way. The music in this movie. Fuck it. Dude. You know, you guys are you know, musicians, you like music too. Like the songs that they chose for this movie just

made the movie even better. You know what I mean? Listening to Gus's version of Don't Fear the Reaper for the first time. I was like what the fuck is this? It's like this haunting version of that song that we've heard over and over again. You know what I mean? Youth of America Red Right Hand. Holy shit. Like I cannot

Like that song's in pe that show Peaky Blinders that my wife and I are trying to get through. Yeah. And I hear it and I'm like, that's not this show, that's fucking Scream. By the way, it's a trivia question. Is there a Scream movie that that song isn't in? Isn't there one screen film where they actually don't play it or is there is there in every movie? No, I think there is. Is it in every single movie? I thought there was one. I think six would be the only one maybe that doesn't.

Yeah. What about three? I don't know. I'm just putting it out there. So if some somebody knows this, please shout it out. Oh, you're right. You're right. Yes. It's definitely in seven. Yeah. Definitely in some. It's interesting. That's a good question. But yeah, music, guys, I I just that's such a huge part of movies for me. So credit scene, dude. This was the time though that like these these different forms of media were becoming more accessible at home, right? Yeah. And uh at least for me

This is this was the movie that started that kicked off for me of me buying actual soundtracks for movies. Like I had the faculty soundtrack, right? I had the soundtrack. That's another soundtrack. It's astounding. I have my And it became this whole thing, right, of like, oh hey, you you gotta have like this really I feel like this established a trend of like, Hey, you gotta be really thoughtful when you're picking

Like the score is one thing of course, but the soundtrack and you know, what you incorporate soundtrack wise, that's that's another thing entirely. And this was the movie for me that I started to care about that at least. Yeah, I mean the youth that bird bird brain song comes on, isn't it? Like when they're speeding down the driveway towards Stewhouse, like an amazing shot, just like the

They're showing up to the party or something. Isn't it that scene? I feel like in my mind it's that scene. Yeah. But it just it just marries up perfectly to the image. It's like the chip bag. They throw the chip bag out the window. Yeah, yeah. Right, this was like this was na Napster era too. So beyond the C D too, like this was the whole like whimsical like, well fuck it, no less the sc the scream soundtrack rules, like let me find some Lime wire and shit. Yeah. Let me kazah this.

Yeah. I mean y oh I'm so jealous. So this you know what's cool? I got the stab version, but it's just the scream soundtrack on it, but it's like really cool. It actually has a CD and like a fold out and stuff. But um yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, it's great. Screen four and then I have Marco's like deluxe to edition of the the soundtrack which is so we obviously we're not gonna rehash this whole movie. Um but I I do wanna say like as far as bold statements go, I don't know if we need to make one but

I honestly think that the Screams franchise is probably the smartest. And the reason I think that is because you have this S there's so much potential for sequels. Whereas you don't have one killer, first of all, you have a new killer each time, right? So you're restarting. It's not Jason. It's not this supernatural Freddy. Well I listen, I love Jason Freddie and Michael Mars more than anything. I yeah, I don't have to recash that. Yeah. But if you think about the potential in these movies

It's not chained to a single location as this has proven. It's gone to New York, it's gone out of Woodsboro, it's gone to the new the wherever the new movie goes. The killers are different every time. You can you can literally have Now they're not there's the quality dips a little bit, but you can have legacy characters coming in. And then you can have a movie where Sydney's not in. But they could have mil blink they could

potentially bring back Melissa Barrera and and Ta they could bring back Tyrant Sam at some point and like just have them like hey where you been and explain it and have the movie be back and there they are and Sam's wiping that knife off and man she is looking lot lot like a killer now. Who knows? Do you just have I don't know there's just so much you know there's so much.

potential to to sequalize it and keep going with it, you know? Dude, yeah. I think it's ingenious. You're right. That that is that is something that sets it apart from any other horror franchise is that the the killer can be literally anyone.

But it's always someone you know. And the but the runway is limitless. I think you're right. And they don't have to be someone you know until it's a beacon embry with a hairline. That's true. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't have to be you know Sydney though, right? It could be some of you know. They c they could go anywhere with that. Yeah.

It's always someone with some hair. Yeah. With with a little bit of hair. Wait, but you just saw Mike just saw him last weekend. How does he have all that hair? Because his hair I thought his hair was really super short. They I mean they might have just We're gonna see him next week at Horror.

That's cool, yeah. Yeah, he's so cool though. I didn't talk to him. Oh you didn't tell you No. But our friend Christine did and she's so cool. I I love Empire Records. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. So I feel like can't hardly wait. Mark stuck. Yeah. Can't hardly wait. Yeah, it's good. Yes. Yeah. Mandy. Mandy. Yeah.

Um, so back to Scream. Billy and Stu. Yeah, sorry. Sorry to d to derail you guys from your uh Ethan Every love. Sorry, Ethan. Um we're talking about the original Scream here. Um I think when you guys first saw this, were you like shocked by the ending and who the killers were? Because I went like a roller coaster ride of trying to guess. Like I feel like

Scream is the best. The original is the best at really just fucking with everybody being like, Oh, I know it's this killer. Nope. I think it's this killer. Nope. You know what I mean? Like it just took me for a ride and I was like

Definitely in shock because I was like there's no way it's it's it's Billy. Like I was like it can't be, you know what I mean? Yeah and Stu, I really didn't think it was Stu either because he was just such a goofball. I was like, there's no way this guy. So who did you think it was? I thought it was I for a while like I thought it was the um the sheriff. The sheriff'cause the cigarette boot cigar And the boots. Yeah. That was like that's it. And I was like

Is that a detail that a lot of people didn't notice? And I'm like, Am I just noticing it? But you know, I'm an idiot. Um so I thought it was him. Well doesn't the man in black and p in Halloween five stomp out a cigarette with a food too? I mean, yeah, that's true. It's insane. Who knows? Uh so I thought it was him. I also thought it was for a little while I thought it was Principal Himbri at the beginning. Like I thought he was gonna be one of the killers. Um

If there was somebody else. What about you guys? Who did you guys think? You never thought it was Randy though or anything, right? No, I didn't think it was Randy. I feel like I still just watched it like took it in. I like I I wanted to be trying to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. That was cool. And it makes sense now if you think about it with you know

The all the kills that happened and where people were and stuff, it's just And then Billy getting fake stabbed, like it had to be two killers. Once you find out it's Billy, it had to be someone else. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

I'm not being reactionary to what Quentin Terran is going to say about about ma uh Matthew Lillard'cause he did trash him and say he was a bad actor. He genuinely came out and said he was a bad actor. I know. So I'm not I just wanna put that out there. I'm not being reactionary to this but I think if you really think about Matthew Lewis' performance in this movie

There is such a specific character that he plays and it makes perfect sense. Like you could just look at it and say, wow, this guy's just chewing scenery. He's like just going for it. But think about Matthew Lillard's like the doofus. Dumb sidekick to Billy. Like Billy is like The died in the wool killer, right? He is like the the real deal. Every time you see Stu.

He's overreact oh he's overacting because he doesn't know how to he hasn't learned how to be a killer yet, essentially. Like it's almost like he's watched movies that showed him how to be crazy. So he's suddenly he's going like that at a hundred because he's seen these There's movies that where people overplay the character, right? Because it takes a man to do something like that. Yes. All of the things that he says though, you can tell he's a cinophile

And that's where his approximation of w of his of his what he's playing is coming from. Billy's also watched a lot of movies, but Billy is a killer, which is why he's convincing as a killer. Matthew Lillard's just a loon because wait. I killed people but I'm not real really a killer yet. Like I'm not I'm still trying to figure that out. I'm st I'm just being the crazy guy I've seen the moves a hundred times. So it's almost like this crazy, nuanced performance in a way.

Based on who Stu is in the movie. I don't know. I can r you can not have to read it like that either, but that's the way I'm looking at it and I think it's brilliant actually, if you think about it. Mm-hmm. Dude, absolutely, yeah. And he improved a lot of his lines there at the end. Which was a good idea. Oh no, he definitely did, right? I always had a thing for you, Sid. That was an improv. I think he does a fantastic job. Sur Mike, I'm sorry to pull away from screen again for a moment, but

If you're gonna base someone's uh if you're gonna base someone's acting chops off of their performance playing Shaggy from the real live action Scooby-Doo. Yeah, come on. There is not one person Th that should look cool playing that role. Not one. Ever. It's a dumbass role. I love Scooby. But that is a stupid role. Right. So to Like Quentin, like Quentin, what's your fucking problem, man? No, exactly.

Like there's no to me, it's not even in a conversation. So yeah. He crushes it. I think the the casting is so So perfect in this. They they did such an amazing job just capturing all these Pre-star stars. Like they legitimately develop stars through this film and this film being successful, it it was a springboard for all of these careers. I n not all all of them. Of course friends was a thing prior to this, I get that.

For the most part, the core, it's really, really wild. The core four? Core four. No. They struck gold. Character after character after character, you know? Yeah. Did you hear that Joaquin Phoenix was supposed to play Billy at one point? Oh my god. Can you imagine that? That would have been interesting, I think. He's out of his mind. Yeah. He really is, yeah.

Um'cause we always talk about that thing, right? If we if you read Jaws. You always talk about what you said Maddie, I I said don't touch ever jaw. Never you go, Maddie, but what if Maddie What if What if Daniel Day Lewis played? Fucking Hooper. I mean played uh Quint played Quinn. I go Quinn, yeah. Oh shit. You're right. And then I go, Oh sh Yeah, I remember that, yeah. Because I would I would totally watch that a million times over. I know.

I forgot to mention when we were talking about killers that that I thought were killers, do I thought Dewey was a killer. And I'll tell you why. You know when uh Sydney at the beginning of the movie is at uh at Tatum's house and the phone rings and it's Ghostface? And Cindy gets on the phone and she's talking and She's like no and she puts that on the phone. The mom goes to get Dewey.

Dewey like comes out and he's got something in his hand, I forget, because they made fun of it and scared him like the phone. He's like, Hello. But he Yeah, the vacuum cleaner. That's right. Hello. But uh Dewey comes out and picks up the phone and he almost sounds like Ghostface and I'm like

I guarantee they did that on purpose. Yeah, he's channeling Crispin Glover in that scene. Yeah, it's weird. He's a whack in that scene. Yeah, yeah. But I I thought for sure that Dewey was the killer in the beginning and I was like, Oh, it's him you know and then I was like, Nah, can't you know what I mean? So yeah. when she comes out of the bedroom all creepy. Yes. Yes. That always draws me back to that scene of Dewey.

Right, that's like it's on the at the top of a staircase like that. It's almost like denim. Yeah, that's perfect, yeah. Yeah, that's a really good parallel to those two scenes. So where do you s where where does this where does it go next? Where do you see where do you want it to go? Where do you see it going? Scream series? Yeah. I'd love to see.

I'd love to see Kevin Williamson come back and do something w I'd love to see Kevin Williamson write it. Maybe gives give me a lot of people. Uh supposedly uh Nev Campbell has an idea that she pitched him and he's like I like that idea. So I just like to see it go back to the original somehow. And I know we've done that already, but there's gotta be a way to like do it creatively again and make it like a big twist or something where it's something to do with the original again, you know?

I don't know. I mean it could it literally could be principal Hembry's assistant princip like uh there's so many ways to do it, you know? Right. But I I think to to what you're saying, Mike, getting a return would be a a healthy direction to take this. Because I think what people were shitting on about this movie was like Oh, not enough you know not enough people died. Yeah, you had your core thing, it was just a love letter to a character though and blah blah blah like what

Again, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I I don't choose to go into a movie hating it before I even see it and I feel like a lot of people did that here. Yeah, what about the they should bring the movie element back?'Cause the first one and second one are all about the movies, right? And the like pop culture stuff.

They why not come back'cause they've gotten so far away from that. Why don't they go back to that now? Do it for creative direction using different films and some kind of I don't know. That would be my take on it. I'll tell you, you know what I don't want? And this is why another reason why I love Seven so much is they didn't like Five and six were so like stab heavy, it was like stab this, stab that, stab.

Like where in seven they mentioned stab, but it wasn't like in your face and it wasn't about stab. It was back to like Sydney and her family and Sydney surviving and stuff. That's what I want again, but like Like you said, maybe some more like Just make it about horror population. You know, culture stuff. That's true, but it's not is is in your face as five and six. Yeah. It does. But that's but that's

But then it ends there and that's it. Yeah. Like what was it? Five was the one they show fucking ghost face with a flamethrower and shit. I was just like, I don't need this shit. And the fucking podcasters and like video, you know what I mean? Like

I I di I just didn't need to see all that stuff. It was kinda it was too much for me. Oh, with the dead meat. Yeah. You know what would be Dead Meat Podcast, yeah. Would be cool here is if they did a I don't th I don't want it to be shot documentary style, but maybe the next iteration is like Sydney's doing a documentary about

the cycle of things.'Cause that would be very, very meta and that's a very, very popular storytelling format. And it's a sure the found footage element is very like I and again, I don't want a found footage screen movie, that's not what I'm saying. And I don't think they should do that or that they will do that. But right if they intersperse that kind of mentality of like, hey, we're we're gonna

put together a production around memorializing your life. Like Yeah. And this would be interesting. This would go against your stab thing, Mike, but what if they are doing like what if they're producing like a stab TV show? Oh dude, that would be fucking Yeah, and the killer's like st you know. That would be great. Yeah. We did the Scream T V show though already, you know, the two versions. Well yeah, we did that. Yeah.

With a different But you're saying in the movie they're making a staff T V show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a copy of the movie that's being produced. Yeah. Right. That actually would be really smart because that's a thing that everyone's talk talking about right now and everyone's TV is all the rage, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.'Cause the documentary is a smart move as well. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, no, that's interesting. That would be a different take on it for sure. Yeah. I'll text Kevin right now and talk about it. Did you guys have any hot, bold takes for the first one? Is there any to even be had?

I mean I just said generally about the series that I thought it was the when I said the thing about it being the smartest, you know. Sequalizing and it is very, very open to because of the killers die at the end each time and yeah. That that whole thing. Mine was that um I feel like I really could have used and we don't need it obviously, but I feel like it would have been cool.

To like maybe at the beginning at least have like a news clip or something alluding to the fact that Maureen Prescott was killed. before the events of this movie. Right, just to kind of get the audience into the street. Just to get you to yeah, get get you familiar with who Sydney is for a second. Okay. Yeah, that would have been interesting. Because like we just kind of learned that that happened. Hey, get me in there.

Halloween. Yeah, right. And then they just do the newspaper. Well they it's just something, yeah. No, it'd be cool. I think that's I love that stuff that I love those uh it'd be kinda like the my bloody valentine three D. Yes, that that too. Give the exposition It's all tied to dude, honestly, anything like that would have just like that way the viewer knows like, all right, so there's already been murder, like

Right. We're coming into like something that they sort of drop it randomly, you know, at the beginning. Exactly. You learn bits and pieces throughout to Gail, really. Yeah. Gail and Tatum. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, murder since Yeah. Well, it's bad. And I remember watching this movie with my dad A few weeks later'cause I was just like on repeat with it and I remember him saying like

Since what? Oh yeah. Some asshole probably died or something. Like whatever. But if we had that little exposition at the beginning, he would know. Yeah. Dare Jennifer, we're we're getting ready to end this, but I want to do a c real quick rapid fire, gentlemen, favorite killer reveal. Hm. I it's one. I I that's boring, I know, but for me it's one. No, that's not boring at all. Mine's three.

Mine's three as well. I'd say one is for i is it for me, but three is the second. Least least favorite killer reveal. Oh that's easy. It rhymes with Bitchy's Rad. Richie's dad. Okay, we got it. Mine's five with seven is a close second. I actually yeah, you know what's funny? I really you guys were you're trashing on it, so I kept quiet, but I really don't mind. I like the idea behind part six is reveal, but I just don't I don't like the execution of it.

Yeah, sorry. No, no, it's not happening. Worst reveal reasoning I have part seven. Like you just you just can't we can't reason your way out of it on the other. No, there is no getting out of it. It's the worst one. I'm crazy, he's crazy, he was crazy. And Ethan Embry And your daughter I want your daughter to be you now. Does Ethan Embry even say barely anything? He's just standing there like Hey, you wanna see the room? Sure, come with me. Fuck it. Come on down. Favorite franchise kill.

Mine's I already said it. Mine's uh from two, the car scene. The cars that your that's favorite kill? That's your set piece. That's your favorite set piece. Oh, set piece, yeah. Mine would be the house in three on the set of stab. Uh mine would mine would be the two with C C Oh yeah, I got I got the I honestly I got Lucas Bowden in part seven. I think that's just spectacular. I think it's so spectacular.

For Patreon. Uh I I can't remember what my number one was, but I mean it would have to be from the first movie. I mean the Tatum scene. KC or one of those even the original. Yeah, I yeah. Yeah. Casey but the Oh I had Tatum as my number one. Okay I I feel like that would probably be my favorite one too. That one's the most the most memorable for me. Even if it's not the best one. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What about favorite opening? Oh the opening Casey was my number one, that's right.

I mean I don't think you could top the original's opening, obviously. But I think two is is up there and and even three is really, really good. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, I would I really like for as much as I don't like six in comparison to the rest of the movies, I thought the like the opening for that one was probably in my my top three, I'd say. Yeah. It's not one or it's probably my third favorite.

Uh yeah, podcast is back, buddy. We're doing it. I'd say one three two six, probably in that order. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I would have to go with one. That's like'cause shock value, everyone expected her to be the main character and sure, you know. Yeah, and the way it was marketed too, like

Yeah, yeah. She's one of the names that was super familiar, right? She was front and center on the poster. Everybody was like, Oh shit, there's your final girl. Yeah, it was brilliant. Well, it had been thirty six years, but Psycho did do that. I know. And it was brilliant. But nobody to nobody expected it. Yep. Mm-hmm. No.

Yeah. Psycho where she writes down the value of the car and then subtracts like the most easy mental math ever. That's right. Yes. Four hundred minus one hundred. And you're like, what the fuck? You don't have to flush that. No, you don't. This first time they'd see in Toilet Flush was scandalous, by the way, on camera. That's true, man. That is true. I remember reading about that.

All in all, guys, this was to talk about Scream together. This was super fun. I had like a really fun time. This was great. Yeah, it was good. And we have our Patreon episode for us and you guys are gonna use this as well. But we're gonna go back to what we talked about screen three. And we're gonna read. In character, the ending reveal, which is very different. And I know you guys read it already, so join us over on Patreon, either on Alone in the Dark or

Horror dads and it'll be great. You guys got anything coming up you want to mention? Anything you wanna pull you wanna plug? Uh we just dropped an episode with our buddy uh ghoulish Gary Pullen, who's one of the better artists out there. Yeah, we we actually talked about Horror Who Dunnits in the in the wake of Scream coming out, so we didn't cover any Scream films in that conversation, but movies like Scream. Uh but yeah we got a we have a really packed

uh year coming up and we'll be doing more stuff with you guys too. So we were at horror dads. Definitely. All right guys. Well thanks for listening. We will see you guys next month. And Right back. Love you guys.