Vernon Davis: Mike Singletary Clash, Colin Kaepernick Drama, and Peyton Manning Praise

Welcome back all the smoke. Our next guest is one of the greatest tight ends of all time. He played on the team that used to smack this shit out of the Cowboys, super Bowl champ, two time Pro bowler. Welcome to the show. Vernon Davis here.

I say, man, I just want to say this. I'm glad my boy had dog. But every time the football players here, the Cowboys don't need to be in their introduction, bro, they don't have to. Damn, they don't have to.

Hurting enough, Jack said, you take a lot of heat from a lot of UCLA energy, and forty nine of energy. Forty nine is of the team I grew up loving and to this day are my favorite team, and you for a while held down that tight end position. We actually seen each other yesterday. I just on some random shits so the Sundance Festival throwing bar brother Deon Taylor, and I found out some interesting news I didn't really

Roughly, yeah, thirty somewhere around there.

So well so acting, directing a little bit of both. I know you like to write, like where did that passion come from and that drive after.

So, when I was playing in San Francisco, we have like off season training and I would I would sneak away and I took this class at the Shelton Theater of Art downtown downtown San Francisco, and from there, I think I felt like this love and his passion for film and television. After I retired in like twenty twenty, I decided that I wanted to do film, focus on acting, producing, just everything that has to do with like filming in general. I didn't stop, but just putting my foot on the

He works with some really big names, I mean, Morgan Freeman and Bruce Willis, John Malcolm, I mean, what kind of obviously a champion in your profession and an all pro in your possession, but then you're going into another space and another craft and getting a chance to work with legendary actors.

Was that like?

And did you got any cool stories for me there of those guys.

Yeah, I think it was. It was dope, man. You know, I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of like I was star struggling when I met Morgan Freeman. I grew up watching this dude and be able to share the screen with him, right. It was just just amazing man. But his work ethic at eighty something years old, it tells me why he is the way he is. Who is I mean, he was on set, he was he

We got a chance to sit down Ryan Coogler about a month ago, and he was just telling us, you know, as athletes, we have this innate ability to you know, focus and be at the top of our craft. And if we're able to take that focus into another space with that same hard work and dedication, we were successful in it. Someone spoke on it on the panel we were on yesterday, just about the dedication and getting those hours in. I mean, this is something you felt fully

True passion, desire, love that I have. It's kind of therapeutic for me to be able to tap into different characters, whether it's acting or writing or just you know, just tell them the story in general. And you know, when you go through so much in life, you need that healing. Yeah, and uh, that's what it That's what it does for me. I was actually having a conversation with with Destry Destriy Spielberg.

You also a trained painter and a sculptor. With all these sculptures getting made for players and stuff these days, what's your opinion you think you can do better?

A better AI shuit? Was this big?

The way it looked like a little African baby.

Like, I don't know, bro, we need some help. What's your opinion on that?

You are to train painting and sculptures, so we need your opinion on some of these statues over the place, man, they're all over the place. Yeah yeah, but like, like, how did you get into that? Well, just just a sculpting and painting.

That's crazy, I know, about that. I don't even really talk about that too much, but it's started in school at University of Maryland, I took a class I changed my major from criminal justice. You know, let athletes take criminal justice. We don't know what the hell we want to do, so you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I was a criminal justice. And then I saw my teammates coming in with these canvases and sculptures, and I was like, damn, I want to do that, and I just changed my major.

And I saw d Wade to try to justify this and said they worked on it.

I just they worked on with them, Wade.

Don't let them do that to you.

Bro that right, you're my dogs. You're also obsessed with Caroland the Olympic sport. Talk about that. How did you get into that?

It's talking to my grandmother about that when she was when I was a kid, to kind of give you the backstorm. When I was a kid, man, I was. I was involved in so many different things, man, from soccer, baseball, back basketball, football. I just started playing football to tenth grade. Damn. I was always playing basketball. Me and Kevin Durant, you play played against him. He was at Montrose Christian. I was at this public school called Dumball.

I mean, keep your thought. But what were those battles like, oh.

Man, it was he and Patrick ew and son Patrick and they had they were too good for.

Usuh huh, Like in high school, was just cold that same way.

Skinny cold shoot, very fundamental and just he was just a hooper man since day one, going back, Yeah, I was my grandmother. I was just involved in so many different things. And I think what happened when I got drafted, you know, my my true personality and like who I really was started to come out, and I just took a lik into so many different things. One of the writers in San Francisco came to me, she was like, you should try Caroland. And I didn't know anything about Caroland.

Are you nice at it?

Though?

I'm okay, yeah, okay, there's nothing more where they sweep the brush right in front of it and they slide the thing down.

You gotta landed in the area, right, you know, Carland This is all I know. I ain't never ain't no ice in the hood.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I didn't know nothing about it. You think the DMV got the best hoopers. It's a lot of talent come out of it. But I wouldn't say the best. Nah, I don't know. I wouldn't say the best.

Now, a lot of talent, A lot of time. We all got into little trouble growing up. You got into little trouble as well. Yeah, did that help keep you straight? That experience?

I think my trouble started early, though. I mean it was for some reason.

You know.

I got arrested twice in sixth grade, and uh, you.

Got to be doing something to get a wrestled in sixth grade. I mean you know, I went to I went to the principal's office a whole lot of times.

I wasn't Yeah, exactly too.

Yeah you're not talking about for stealing cigarettes.

I was on for It was a kid that stayed behind my house and we were just some dumb kids and was walking home.

I just didn't like him. I hit him in the hour. I had a lock on my hand, hit him in.

And his mama brought him to my house afterwards, and told my mama and self that press charge on the Yeah, drug tests all that. Yeah, probation's probation. I don't give for what your wage, you is, it's probation.

Got in a little bit of trouble when you.

Was younger, Yeah, a little trouble. And then I, you know, I started to get my life together, man. But it's you know, I come and y'all too, I mean, especially you for you know, being able to be in that environment, using an environment we both were, but we were able to change our focus and change our mindset and do something bigger and better. You know, And and I talk about this all the time. If we can be in

He had it in this house though. That was a difference. It was around me. It was in his house.

But I always felt like, and that's what I did, grow up around drugs and violence, but I always felt like, similar to you, like it wasn't and people could be around me doing it, but I knew it wasn't.

It wasn't me.

I mean, the only thing I ever wanted to do with smoke. We went out because I like to smell when I was younger, and it stuck with my whole life. But I didn't seen a lot of shit happen around me where it was just I ain't judging, do you You know what I mean? But I could still be in that environment and still be myself and be fine and make it out.

Yeah.

So you've always been notorious for your work ethic. Is it true that you can catch tennis balls?

Yeah? You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I got I got a tennis ball. I used to keep a tennis ball machine because I felt like hand eye coordination was really important. So after practice, I would go into garage and you know, kind of just catch with one hand and just kind of keep the hand eye coordination.

That's crazy, I'm just coming. That's dope. What's this video?

He's curling?

You know what? Man? It's just as it's interesting.

It's touch.

I think anybody to get out there.

I mean like when I first saw too, I was like, man, this is this is probably the craziest sport I've ever seen in my life. But actually being out there and and just being just it's kind of like.

It's like playing golf or anything else something we know you don't play. You didn't grow up playing golf, right, don't play it all the time, but just the just the joy of being out there and once you once you like laying that stone on that spot, it's kind of like you achieved something.

And you can have a bad day and then have one good toss and want to bring you back the next time.

Exactly what's more important? The people with the brooms at the end are your touch from letting it go.

I think they're both equally important. Broom. What the broom does? It melts the ice. The ice is like pebble. So when you when you're doing that, you're speeding, speeding the stone up that it might be sliding too slow, but when you sweep it speeds it up and then you can carry it a lot further.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

High school teammates with the legendary tournament Josh Cribs. What was it like as you guys are a combo in high school?

He was probably one of the most talented players I've ever seen. I mean he played everything. He played safety, he was playing he played basketball for three years. He was actually one of the one of the one of the best players we had on the team. So basketball and football, play quarterback, he could do it all. So just you know, just being around him and his energy was like, like really it was.

Was he older than you?

Two years two years old?

So little brother again pro bowler. Big brother did his thing. You take any credit for a little bro doing his thing. What were the battles like when you guys are younger?

He was.

He was four years younger. So growing up, it was never it was never really, it wasn't really any competition because I was always the older gap, big gap. But I used to I used to really, like, you know, put all I could and in him to make sure that he was prepared and ready, you know, to achieve greatness.

What are some of the Titans you looked up to as you were coming.

Up Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, all hoopers. Yeah, h yeah, And I looked up the t O t O was like he was a wide receiver, buddy. I still felt like he has something that I you know, He's just very inspiring to me the way he played the game.

How do you feel basketball helped you on the football field?

My ability to be able to get in and out of transitions as a bad basket I mean you you never really know how to shape you until you play basketball. That's a different kind of I mean just cardio, but just the mobility you need to to be a great athlete. I feel like the best football players are basketball player.

So there was a it was probably last year where there was a big debate on it would it be easier for a football player to hop into basketball or a basketball player to hop into football at the pro level. You've played both obviously pro and football. What what what do you think would be easier to.

Do basketball hopping into football? Yeah? Sure, yeah, football player, unless you I mean unless you like it.

Just you gotta be different.

Different.

There's some dudes out there.

I watched Travis Hunter.

It's something.

But it's some basketball players that feel like that about football too, that.

They just think it's easy man.

Motherfuckers.

I know, I know a lot of the motherfuckers saw they couldn't go out there and get pushed down and face man one face mask. They're gonna be flopping and ship and doing like this.

Man. Look every face mad.

Right flopping football?

Can you They'll try it? Maryland Football two thousand and three to five? Stayed home? What was what was your choice for doing that?

My grandmother raised me and my six siblings, so I wanted to stay home, and you know, kind of you're the oldest I know this ship, so I wanted to help her out and just just be around in case she needed anything.

You was super freak at the combine four three in the forty two and foot broad jump, thirty thy reps on the bench, prep on press.

Bro You're just just be compared.

Yeah, bro on, you just run through them numbers like nothing, bro A four to three? What a two fifty to sixty fifty two fifty crazy, thirty three on the bench, ten foot broad like them numbers are off the chart.

Also, you you was a what was your max bench?

I did two? I did two twenty five like thirty three times. Yeah, it was.

What's the most what's max though.

That's how I got my money.

I think I can max you up most of the thirty five.

He said that bench press got you paid.

More than I had those days over with. I just I just think about it.

You're right, what was I mean? You were at the peak of athleticism and strength and skill boxing a big ass body.

Yeah, that was for some reason. I was able to like maintain my speed and and just put on put on weight, and I just I just kept it, always been able to run. I just kept it for some reason.

Speak to how important it is to be a tight end that can catch and block.

Being a tight end that can do it all is is very important because now they can utilize you in so many different spaces. You can line up out wide. I know when I was playing, they lined I would line out about wide, I would get in the backfield, I would be at the point of attack online on the line. And you know, just it makes you very versatile, and it makes it instead of like when Antonio Gates was playing, not knocking his game or anything, but they

In giving me your welcome to the NFL moment, Like did a linebacker d Lineman bring your bell where he was looking at stars?

I think John Lynch. He hit me and I went to that sideline.

Said I want to be on your team.

That's one of them guys too.

That's one of them guys.

Man hit me so hard, man, that's crazy.

I remember that day.

I remember that day barely, but I remember. Let's play a game. Build your perfect tight end. Who would you pick for blocking? And don't you throw yourself in there whenever you feel fit.

I picked George Kittle for blocking.

Okay, route running.

Tonio Gates, nice speed, Oh to put me in an easy call? Hands hands, I'm I have to say, Travis Kelce iq IQ, Tony Gonzalez physicality, Shannon Show.

Oh that's a hell of a list right there.

God damn great list.

Two thousand and six first round pick by the forty nine or so, you from the DC area, went to college there with your first impression, coming all the way across the country to California.

I was like, man, this is far. I was like, man, this is far. But I you know, I was ready. I was just so excited to play with the team, and I was you know, I saw the houses in the hills. I was like, man, I gotta get me one of the houses. And I was just I was just motivated, man by the by an environment team and just you know, just trying to, you know, make a name for myself as far as sports goes.

Coach singletary, legendary linebackers. Sometimes great players transition into coaching. Well, sometimes they don't. I think there was mixed because I was I mean, I was a huge fan at the time, and I always meant the media some people love them, some people hate him. Here's a viral clip of him calling you out.

No, no, you don't want me to go much further, go out ahead, ask the question veron vernon just it was something that I told everybody at the very beginning of the week. I will now tolerate players that think it's about them when it's about the team and we cannot make we cannot make decisions that costs the team and then come off the sideline and it's nonchalant. No, you know what, this is how I believe Okay, I'm from the old school.

I believe this. I would rather play with ten people.

And just get penalized all the way until we got to do something else rather than play with eleven. When I know that right now, that person is not sold out to be a part of this team. It is more about them than it is about the team. Cannot play with them, cannot win with them, cannot coach with them, can't do it.

I want winners. I want people that want to win.

So when you see that, obviously taking yourself back to that moment, I mean that's a that's an attack of public attack at that age and then now being removed from the game for a while and being in your older age. Take us through both mindsets seeing that, and take us through your mindset when you're hearing that as a player at the time.

But the time, I was like, man, this dude throwing me under the bus. I was like, man, this is crazy. I was like many at they about to get rid of me.

What year was that for you?

That was yeah, that's like yeah three, okay, yeah. And now you know, being older version, you know myself and you know, just thinking back about it, I think it's something that I deserved. I'm related to to be able to have that happen to me, because I think it really helped put me in a position too to have a great career. So I'm just thankful for the moment and thankful for him because after that, I mean, we created we had a great relationship.

I mean, he wrote the forward note in your book. But I think you said something that's profound at the moment. I mean, obviously it takes time when you're older and you see it at that moment. Did it click in outside of it or was it first like damn fuck he thrown me under the bus or from the rip where you able to use it as motivation and kind of find your way.

No, I was just laying back. I was I was laying back. I was in the bill with my kids mom, and it came on TV. I didn't know he did it, and I'm looking I'm like, shit, she looking at me. I'm looking at it, and I was like man. I was like, this is crazy.

Man.

But it didn't hit me until like after we had a conversation, cause I walked into his office. He was sitting there. I walked in and I was crying. He was crying, and he was like, son, you got you got the ability to be the best, the best tight end in the League, you could change the game. And uh, you know, I'm listening. I'm here, and I'm like, man, I think, you know, if I do everything you tell me to do, I can possibly tap into some good stuff.

Now, question, I feel like that's it's it's old Like as he said, I'm from the old school, and we all came up in the old school. Today, I feel like if that happens on any level, kids run, kids transfer, kids jump in the transfer port, they try to change teams. What are your thoughts on just the movement in sports now? And and and I only asked because I felt like all the hard knocks we went through one we just saw yours. It gave us character, he gave us, you know, resiliency.

Yeah, I think players are soft now, you know. I think they saw that when we were playing, Like, you know, we're there at the same time. But you know, during that time, it was hard coaching, man, just everything was tough, hard, and like nowadays it ain't. I mean even I look at my son sometimes. Man, the way they move around and operate is just crazy to me.

They don't want to be held accountable.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's just crazy that that. I mean this the culture.

I mean this, you think do you think it's social media and the instat gratification with the showing on the Highland. You could lose the game and still have a mixtape or show your highlights and your team just got is it is it? Is?

It?

Is it the social media play hand in it? Or we worked our asses off so hard to give the kids the life we never have, so now maybe that plays a hand in it.

Yeah, I think so. I think it's it's definitely the social media. How the way life has changed now. I mean, it's where we're at now with with everything. Uh, they just have I think they have too much access to to things that we didn't have a lot of.

Accent Well, we had to work for ship, we had to work.

Yeah, it's just it's just different, man. It's just a different way of living now.

And I hate to even sound like old people talking like this. But it's weird, Like there's a weird shift. And it's not that we're hating. It's just it was a different grind when we were coming up in a different level of reward each step, you know what I mean. I couldn't matter you. We used to fuck around, like I remember, we get all a little pel grant checks at UCLA for like twenty five hundre. You couldn't tell me shit like I thought. You know, I ran Westwood,

That's that's a good out look. I mean, like I wouldn't. I don't think I would want what they have right now. Yeah, yeah, because like you said, I was, My goal is to make it pro you know, change the not dynamic of my family. Mm hmm, you know, and that's what my eyes when I say, I always say it. And I told my brother, I say, I'm gonna do three years of college. You're going to do three years of college. You're not doing four years, and I'll be in and out.

Our thoughts on college kids being twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven year old now playing like, I don't mind if you're in college, but playing sports, college sports, that the age. What is your thoughts?

Yeah, that's uh, that's different man.

Uh.

You know, I guess a lot of it has to do with nil, right, And it seems as if these college rather have an older guy than taking a guy out of school.

But that's what college is supposed to be, right, College is supposed to be you know that that next step. But to your point, the maturity and the experience of these kids that are damn near thirty years old with two kids, you know, like, do you take a twenty six year old that's played four years and red traded two years over an eighteen year old.

Yeah, let's play back to fix you, my brother.

Is it true that Singatarrey wrote a distract about you and performed in the front of the squad and then dropped the mic like.

District Yeah, I don't know where y'all get on the it's crazy. Yeah it was. I think it was me and Crabtree because me and Michael Krabbtree was like, I don't know something we did. I think we might have bumped heads or it was something that happened, and he, uh, he made a track about us. He freestyted, I say that ship it's pretty bad.

I know it was weak.

Back to fiction, Singletary dropped his pants during the halftime speech and pointed us, but to illustrate what he thought of y'all.

Yeah, he said, we basically pulled our pants down and bent over.

So bad. Yeah. Two facts, that's two facts. Back to fiction.

Singatary built an actual heel at the forty nine ers head quarters to build character.

Two name the pain? Is that true? He named it pa Mike was home.

Yeah, I forgot what he named it, but he did build a hill man. It was a man made hill and we walked out what he called it page.

Mike was a full Kaepernick becomes a starting quarterback midway through the twenty twelve season, taking Alex Smith's job as a tight end. What's that adjustment like, going from something you're very accustomed to to something new. Obviously he was at the time was a run first guy, uh in the offense, So I'm sure your role in the offense changed a little bit.

You know. It's always good that when you build chemistry with a quarterback, but to be able to when that when that shifts and you have a change, now you gotta work with somebody else that could be that can be extremely difficult. But for some reason, Kaepernick was able to come in and and just I mean he hit the ground running I mean literally yeah, literally and passing, So he was it was it was it was a smooth transition, you know, going from one quarterback to another.

What was it like that? Because he's like he's a mystery, you know what I mean, He's one of them quarterbacks that popped up on the scene and really did his thing. And then obviously we'll get into you know, taking the knee later, but what was the aura about him? What kind of leader was he? What kind of worker study or was he what kind of player and do was he?

He was good? Kaepernick was Uh, he was just determined, man. He was so determined.

Man.

I remember when he first came in. He was he just wanted to play. All he wanted to do was just play. Still to this day, to this day, he just he just wanted to play. He he would sit there he I mean, and in practice he was just man, he just went off in practice.

He was killing practice.

Yeah, he was always killing it in practice. So then when he had the opportunity with I think Alex Smith got a concussion and then they just moved him right in. They knew he was Yeah, I was good. He was good. He at first he starts small and slow, and I guess that's because you know all the different offense coordinators. But uh, but yeah, Cap Cap Alex could play. Cap could play. But but then there was this moment where I don't know, It's like it's like he hit a wall. Cap, Yeah, he hit a wall.

I just how far into it you feel like he hit a wall?

Like he had those first two years where he was just playing at a high level, and then something just happened. So it's like he couldn't I don't know, he wasn't doing he wasn't the same Kaepernick anymore. Really, Yeah, it was it was it was, I don't know, it was crazy.

He wasn't seeing the game the same something.

Yeah, it wasn't like yeah, it was just like his throws were off. Just everything was just off man about him. Everything, and then the team, the team just like imploded, from upper management to the locker room. Everything just it was crazy.

Jim Harbor takes over. What kind of experience was that and what kind of coaches he?

Yeah, Hardball came in. It just turned the whole program around. When he came in, we I mean we went to the playoffs instantly that first that first first year he was there. He was a great coach man. He was he was everything that we needed, you know, his charisma's attitude. I remember one time he came out and you know, we thought we had a new a new quarterback. It was turned around. It was Hardball. He was suited. He was out there thrown with the practice squad and he

Uh twenty twelve Super Bowl Niners versus the Ravens. I remember I was playing with the Clippers at the time. We were on the road and we were all watching it in the hotel. First of all, the experience of being in your first Super Bowl, what was that like?

That was like a dream come true, you know because we the reason why we played this game is to win a championship, want to ring, so to be able to make it there, it was, I mean it was. It was a true blessing man. But uh, it's always that bad taste you get in your mouth when you don't capitalize on the moment. And we did it.

Yeah, I mean, you guys were off to a great start in that first half and then what was the explanation with the lights?

Like, what the fuck happened?

I don't know.

The power just went out of the whole stadium.

Yeah, the whole stadium. But it worked in our favor because we were down and then we just for some reason, we came out of the locker room. We won't fly. We should have won that game.

But.

It just wasn't in our time.

What'd you learn from it?

I learned that I learned to appreciate every moment. You'll just appreciate the moment, even if if you win or lose, just appreciate it. And always do your very best.

You went against the hell of a defense, Ed Reid, ray Lewis, Suggs. What was that Baltimore defense?

Like, they had a pretty good defense. Ray Lewis was on his way out the door because he was he wasn't the saying ray Lewis that he once was, but he could still play at a high level. I felt like they were good. But we definitely, you know, if you go back and look at that game, we we we did our thing as an offense. We showed up. Start off slow, but we showed up. But that was they had a pretty good defense, even with Torell Suggs ye playing the end of the line.

They was out there laying people out, wasn't they?

Yeah?

I think, I think yeah. But we had some we had some hitters on dogs too. Yeah. Yeah, that's where we had de Sean Goldsen, the Dante Whitney who changed his name at the end of the season, called to hitting her.

John still work out at the gym with me.

Oh yes, yeah, change the name of what he changed his last name to Hitner Whittner to hit her just due he was hit so he was hitting. I mean, they was they was just they was just laying the wood man everybody.

And it's crazy.

Then, dudes, Jack, when you see them, do they not that big? Yeah, they're not that big. It's crazy.

Yeah.

Were you still playing when the rules started to transition a little bit to really protect the receivers or did you? You got all the old NFL?

I got most of the old Well no, because I retired in twenty twenty, so you know, the rooster I wanted to change a bit.

How much How much of an advantage was that for you with them, you know, taking certain areas they couldn't hit you in and that kind of stuff.

I don't know.

I don't really think it changed too much because you know, football was always going to be football as long as you have had those paths on guys hitting. I mean, you can't stop with collision. Yeah, so you were still I mean that's when I retired. I had a concussion, that's my last. That's why I ended up wearing glasses because of my last.

How many concussions do you think you have? A six? Seven?

Do you feel the repercussions of the concussions that to this.

Day other than wearing glasses? That's about it. Okay, So no, issues like anxiety. I get anxiety.

Maybe that's something anything that has to be treated from those or just stuff you outside of the glasses, just lots of stuff. You could just deal with.

This anxiety stuff that's okay. Yeah.

Interesting twenty thirteen Conference Championship against the Legion the Boom Seahawks. I hated that team. Richard Sermony Camp chance for Earl Thomas. Outside of that team, where does their home crowd rank as far as tough environments.

To play in scale of one to ten, ten being the greatest? Ten're that good? Yeah? You can't, I mean you can't hear anything really, Yeah, we gotta. We literally have to like come like if the huddles like this, we come like this. Yeah it's that loud?

Yeah?

Is that loud? Yeah? It's crazy.

You guys have some legendary battles against them. Man, what was it like going? I mean, those are guys' rivals in the NFC West. What were those games like?

Very intense? Very intense. We I mean, we did not like each other. You know, you asked Marshaun Lunch, He'll tell you anytime. We didn't like each other at all, and we knew that we had to play extremely hard in that game because those dudes are gonna bring it. I mean that defense they had, oh man, you probably can compare that defense to what they had in Baltimore.

It was you had to go.

The road to the championship ran through the Seattle for forty nine ers for a while.

Oh yeah, Camp Chancellor Richard Sherman. I mean they had some They have some dudes over there.

Twenty fifteen, you get traded to Denver. Two questions. What was your thoughts going to Denver? And as your first year of leaving San Francisco that's when the kneel and stuff happens with cap What was your thoughts.

Yeah, so when I got traded, I got traded. I didn't even know I was gonna get traded. Man, I had I had a pretty good game. I mean I let the team and catches that game, and next thing, you know, I wake up in the morning. GM text me and say, hey, you know, come see me. I'm like, oh, so I go in. You know, he got some teams on the board. Denver's one of them. He's asking me, He's pretty much telling me that Denver is the best

Yeah, how would you have handled the locker room views?

Though?

With that going on?

Me personally, I probably would have wanted to.

Uh.

I think it just causes a lot of I mean, you know, I think it's a great cause of what he was supporting for sure, you know what I mean, Like, I mean, everything he's done has been bigger than Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's he's a he's a major, he's a star from what he was doing, you know, he he he sacrificed a lot. It's one of those things though, where you know, if you got a career and you're trying to become the best in the sport, you're trying to win a suit, a championship, I think

Respect.

Yeah, that's what I want.

I was what was your thoughts going on with a great like paid man? Oh man, he was run your numbers up.

He was different. It was different man, he was he was. I mean he was a different type of guy. I mean playing with all the quarterbacks I played with, but watching him he moved different the way he operated. But the crazy parts that when he threw it was a game. He threw like four or five interceptions. They took him out. The only reason why he got his job back is because the quarterback brought Oswald he was, Yeah, he was. He started like tripping, he started messing up, like struggling,

Is during the season, y'all want a super Bowl?

Yeah?

Crazy?

Yeah?

What was it like though? I mean, obviously he's known for the audibles at the line and his work ethics. He was a little bit older when you got him. But what can you see the brilliance? Oh yeah, can you see the brilliance and remember the brilliance like it was yesterday?

Yeah. Yeah. He would take over the room like normally typically the offensive coordinator standing, they going through the plays and things of that nature, but Peyton would be the guy out there. Oh really, yeah, it was like he was the coach.

It was.

It was I've never I've never really seen that out of a quarterback, So to be able to see that was really it was really impressive to me. But it was. It was a great It was a great ride.

Cam Newton against paidon Man and super Bowl.

Cam was on fire during that time.

But but we that was his MVP year, right, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, he was on he was on fire. But I think he liked the discipline. You know, he was out there, he had his Ship Superman shirt on his shoes, flexing and stuff. Just look at me. Our team was just poised. That was the difference. We were just we knew what we're gonna do. I mean we had defensively, offensively, we had everything we needed. It was Yeah, I remember that day.

I does you feel finally getting that trophy? Man?

They feel? Man, it's so hard to get there, man, I mean some guys will play to kill. Spikes was probably one of those guys who played for like fifteen sixteen years, never even went to a Super Bowl. So to be able to to get that, to just be rewarded with that, man, it just it just says it all. I mean, like all the hard work, heart, sweat, blood, sweat and tears we put into like just being great and winning together. You know it. That's it right there? Culmination.

Yeah, who is Vernon outside of football?

I would say, uh, I'm creative, you know, very creative, you know. I you know, I went from playing football to making music to acting, writing. I got an album. I probably don't notice, but I don't really promote it like that. But I got an album that I did, like about a year or two ago. Really, what are you just called show time?

You rap?

Yeah? Right? Rap?

Okay, that's I did something with.

I got some I got some people on that I got, I got Young Droe on the track.

I got remember George our mascot making them Golden State Day because we were we were in the Bay at the same time, Right was your six two thousand and six was your first year? And U uh San Francisco.

Right two six? Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, we definitely crossed the past, definitely did.

Definitely.

Were you someone that went out. I don't remember seeing you out? Yeah yeah, yeah, I was so high jack, but I was.

I was right there with you.

Yeah yeah.

I was always out.

Come on, man, you give it twenty two year old mellis and dollars. Always I used to go out and go straight to practice from being up.

But it was because it was there be spots where the Warriors, the Niners and the Raiders would be.

In yeah, that we'd all be the same.

Yeah, And it was always love to It wasn't really no bullshit. Na, there's a lot of teams together, all three teams, egos, women everywhere was young.

He did see all them, boy, all your boys out treat up.

Right, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us know your top five tight ends of all.

Time, Top five tight ends of all time. Man, I'm gonna have to give you Channa Sharp, Tony Gonzales, Rob Gronkowski, m mm hmm. No, put Travis Kelce in there, Tonyo.

Kates Solid one album you can listen to with no skips, Blueprint Whole.

Rock?

Was that two thousand years Print one O two?

Yeah?

That was all in college. I remember that ship, Childhood Crush.

Hallie bear right you too.

It's Rock Party, is Brock Party, It's Brock Party. A franchise quarterback.

I need to see one or two more years out of them.

Yeah on me, Yeah, it's Dak Prescott franchise quarterback. Man, Come on, bro, I can't ask a former player.

He ain't played for the Cowboys.

He's just a former player, though he played.

He played with Rock Party. Yeah, but he's Fornadian, he said for the Canadian. I don't do my boy like that.

Yeah.

Guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.

You got guilty pleasure. Dang man, I'm an say eating brownies.

Man, we got some brown some brownie up there. I wish.

I want to just be able to freely eat him.

I don't want to.

Man.

One guess you would like to see on our show, but you have to help us get your answer on the show.

One guess I like to see on the show, man, I like to see y'all had Kevin Hart on here, Yes, damn, I know he was funny. Oh my god, I just did coldes balls. He's a fool.

He's just but he's naturally like.

A fazing food. It's like not the whole time.

Yeah, he just like he's really burnt out. Man.

I know y'all was having a roller. Man, he's so funny. Man, am I to give you some Michael B. Jordan's. We've been trying to get Kevin har Ryan Coogler.

We just have.

Y'all Kevin Harshot my acting dreams down.

Don't tell them what I got going on.

He acts a little bit, he's been acting a little bit.

Nice. You gotta get Michael be on here now.

Michael B's dopey. Michael Yeah, are you act oh cool?

Yeah? Cool? Like damn care.

Like well, Vernon man, we appreciate your time.

Obviously.

It's a huge fan of your body and work on the field and it's dope to learn, you know, how interesting off the field you are. Man, so continued success and in all the spaces you are in and man, best of luck, bro.

I appreciate you.

Yeah, that's a wrap, Vernon Davis. You can catch us and all the smoke productions you two.

And the Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.

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