Udonis Haslem | Ep 77 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

I can't wait to get out there. Man. We got we got a big celebration for your birthday coming up. I'm ready to pop my column, Man, coming up, coming up, Come up, man, Man. Our next guest is someone I came into the league with way back in two thousand two. Was our draft class, someone who's been grinding. Uh this your eighteen season if I'm not mistaken, Man, Welcome to the show. Uh NBA Vet and World Champion Udonis Haslem You dat whatever? Bro? And hey, helldo we got you got?

You gotta start saying this when we introduce him, future Hall of Famer Bro, future hall All It'll be It'll be honest man. But yeah, not only did I come come in with you though, but stat Jack, you don't remember when I was playing in Summer League with San Antonio. Yes, sir, that might have been like your first a second year with seven year came you came to watch us play in Vegas. You showed you showed me some love. And you don't even know who I was, but you showed

me love. I already remember. I remember. Ship like that, like ship like that, go a long long way? You feel me, yes, sir, Yes, sir, Hey, you know a funny story before I knew Jack who who? Before me and Jack were friends. I remember Jack came to Vegas the summer they won the championship and we're all a girl's run. Jack, I don't know remember this, but you came in there with a big old throwback jersey on and and your I think it was I think you got a ring on or just a bunch of jewelry.

I knew y'all just wanted my motherer. Didn't come to play at all. You just came to say what's up? But everyone else in there about to work with nigga. Jack became then with a big old Remember when the throwback Jersey's ring ship how to do it? When I wanted to touch your basketball, I ain't touch your basketball when we want on smell smelling like a pound of dope. Yes, and you probably can tell you everybody know the party keep going out if they say, right, hey, man, well

let's get to it. U D was a disaster, um. You know, obviously starting with the loss of Kobe and g G and everyone else on the helicopter, to the pandemic, to a crazy presidential race. What was one thing you took from good or bad? Man? Uh? You never know what you're gonna be called a step into man, and you just gotta be ready. So you know, one of the things I always said was stay ready to you don't gotta get ready. And that always applied to sports,

but that kind of applied to life. You guys shocked a lot of people, obviously believing in yourself. But your fifth seed made a run to the NBA finals. What was different outside of playing in the bubble? About the run you guys made to the finals, um, and your three other uh excuse me, two other championship runs? Man, To be honest, that that bubble we had before we even stepped down there. Man, I had the mindset that we gotta beat the bubble for we even step on

the basketball court. So people was like, yo, you're ready to go to the bubble. I was telling people may not been in France, man, I'm gonna take my id, take my own ankles for a game, like I ain't. Always had no training staff, Like I remember getting on the phone calling Mike Miller, like, Yo, send me some anchle bracons. I can't keep taking my own ship, brother, it ain't. I can't. I can't. So like the bubble, man, that was nothing. I was already locked in for that.

I already knew what it was. So for me, I took the I took the approaches like, Okay, I'm will be a leader, so I'm gonna be extra crazy with it so my teammates can follow. So I'm in the room eating soup atter militantant ship. Jimmy already crazy. I could barely get him out his room. So for me to get it, to get cool with Jimmy, to kind of understand Jimmy, you gotta get on Jimmy level. So I'm in the room taking but rest the classes and ship learning how to make coffee and ship like that

all that. So for me, like I took, I took the approach as a leader. They're gonna see me and they're gonna do what I do. So that's really what I did. Man, stay in my room, stay locked in, tapped in with everybody to make sure everybody was straight. But for me, I was pretty much, you know, in that leadership mode the whole time. So you're the last real o G in the league. Like people that have runs like you, it doesn't exist. And we were talking

about this earlier. We shot a show for West Burning earlier. There's no more O G vets. You know what are you forty right, forty years old, eighteen years in the game, and you bought into it. You know, we talked when I when I seen you at the presidential thing back in November, I think it was or right before November. How you know, it was tough, but you understand what your role is. You know, you definitely want to be out there on that court, but you know what it is.

So you've really embraced that O G leadership roles and like you said, it was important for you to connect with Jimmy talk to us about the connections with the other players that you know you had to make, and what kind of things you kind of had to do to first of all connect but then bring everybody together. I mean, like, so to clear the ship up, everybody needs to understand. And I don't. I ain't content with sitting on a day bench like that. Ain't that ain't

what it is. But evolution is a part of all this ship. Like, evolution is a part of all this ship. And at the end of the day, I don't own my own team yet, you know what I'm saying, Maybe one day I don't own my own team yet. That's the goal for a lot of us to be in a position where we go on our own team and make our own calls and do the ship that we want to do, or control the ship that we feel like we need to be controlled because we know sometimes

it ain't right. But I don't control that. So for me, how can you impact winning without being on the basketball court. That's the next phase for me and ship. You gotta tap in with these dudes. Man, if you don't treat these dudes with respect. See a lot of these people come in and say, oh I can do this. You can't do that. That's what I did, and that's what I do to me. Young boys don't want to hear that, nor do they respect that. M I don't want to

hear that. Man, they don't want to hear that. So you gotta get respect to get respect to these young boys first and foremost. Man. So I tap in with these young boys first on the level of like, yo, I saw what you did in college. I respect that and I appreciate that. Let's get doing this and let's get to work knowing that, man. So I get to know their families, I get to know their kids. Man. A lot of work I do with these boys be way before we even step on the basketball court. Man.

When people look at the situations in the relationship I got with Bam, and I know Bam Mama. You know what I'm saying. People don't know that I know Bam Mamabama. Girl come to my own girl house, my stepmama house, and they eat and they chill and they kick it.

You know what I'm saying. So all these guys that came through here, man, all the way back to the JJ's and the Dion's and all in my homeboys and Wayne Allison, Man, we still tap me in this go way beyond basketball because I tell all these dudes first and foremost, man, get your money. I don't give a damn if his hill or something else. I just want to see you get your money to take care of your family. So I tap on with these dudes on the personal level. I create a personal relationship before I

created a business relationship. Man, because if they don't respect me on that aspect, ain't gonna listen to me on the basketball court because I ain't playing. I ain't on the court. I ain't not there, so I can say what I want to say, but I ain't not there, So they don't respect me as a man and like off the court, and they're gonna listen. They're not gonna listen to me when when we step out there on

that battle field when it's time to go to work. Now, I think you made a great point because leadership, most of the time, they're not gonna And if people who play won't understand this, but if you've got someone who's always preaching that's not playing, it might go in one year out the other. But the fact you connected, like you said, before the basketball ship even came, earned that respect. Got that respect. You know, like you said, once it's time to go to war, you guys are all on

the same page. And like I said, you're in the bubble. I saw you taking over the huddles and I really, like, I just thought it was dope, because I mean, I know you another competitor and you wants to be out there, but you knew the next best thing was to do was to keep these dudes locked in. And I would see you, you know, spoke would let you take over huddles sometimes and you do all the talking and the

pointing and directing. And I just want to commit you, man, because I think that ship is dope that you've taken that role. But to be able to put your ego and pride aside, because we're all competitors and at the end of the day, the last thing we want to do is be sitting on that bench, regardless of what the the circumstances are. Man, So definitely shout out to you man for playing your role and doing what you could do to help the team get to the ultimate goal.

And we'll get it twisted. Now we still get our ones upstairs. Now I still get get it. I still get eat and that's that jack. I still get eat they talked that ship we boys, I still get eat it has heard. So tell me this mate, how strange was it playing huge games in the playoffs with no fans and the bubble. That was crazy. It was crazy. But not now all that this here, All that got cut out in the bubble because now who you're talking to, what you're saying, like, you can't be all that room

would be a lot of wrapping. And when it's a hundred thousand fans and all that ship going on, you can't really understand what somebody is saying and who they're talking to. A lot of that ship got dumped down. A lot of that ship got dumbed down in the bubble. And no misunderstandings. You can't say none of that ain't no misunderstands the bubble. So it's a lot of humble

ship going on in the bubble. Man, But there was a lot of hooping going on the bubble because he just took it back to the open to the gym. Ain't no fans, you know, crowd. I know I heard a lot of people saying that a lot of people played better in the bubble individually. I know a lot of people say we played better in the bubble as a team, but I heard a lot of people saying people played better individually in the But man like, if you could take it back to the gym and go

play pick up and you would sailed in that. And I mean that's where we all started that anyway, and that's where I think it ended up going in the bubble was everybody just said, man, we're just gonna go who you know. The one thing I was disappointed about to finally have a Miami, the city of Miami in the City of l A play in the finals, and if it was just a normal circumstances, both of them cities would have been jumping. And the fact that you

guys were in the bubble. I'm sure the cities were still jumping, but not like they would have if if the series were going back and forth. That's the one thing I missed and it was really disappointed about, was the fact that Miami, a dope city l A were both in it and we couldn't do nothing about it. Yeah yeah, I told him, boy, as soon as we got to the bubble, we're the home team. Every night, though we read home, I don't care it down. If we're in Orlando, we're the home team every night in

the state of Florida. I don't give it. Damn every night every night, every man were the hotel give it then before in Orlando, every night we're the home team. And that's how I felt, Man that Jack shout out my man, Keith. You already know what it is, old town. You know what the old town Markeys. You know that the Circle boys lamb bone Y's up, Yes, up the boys. You feel me? Hey, take us back to your childhood and your upbringing. Uh, in Florida? What was it like, Man?

I moved around a little bit man, So you know, um, I mean, you know, the typical I can't say typical, but you know, father, mother separated. You know, mother went through you know, a drug addiction, homelessness. Um. I didn't really get a chance to, you know, really grow up with my mom. I grew up my stepmom. Angel. You know what I'm saying. Uh, you know it's it's hard enough nowadays to get people sometimes to raise their own child, So to raise the child that's not yours, you know

what I'm saying. Um, she was a blessing in disguise. For me. So thank God the Barbara whooping always. You know, she knows I love her the death. So you know, my mother and my father went through this situation and my mother struggled a lot, but you know, towards the end of her path, you know, me and my mother

really created a strong, strong bond. And you know, I really didn't know how great you know, if a person my mother wasn't too she had passed away, and I think that you know, people talk about the flowers when you're gone, situation and different things like that. I never had an opportunity to even understand, you know, the power, you know, the type of person that my mother was. So she's definitely always been my motivation. Um coming up. Man,

never really had you know, things given to me. Um. I was always the underdog, you know what I'm saying, chubby, too small, not fast enough, whatever the situation was for me. So it was never really like an easy path. Man. Figured out I could play this game in basketball a little bit because my dad was the day kind of play the year in Miami, Man, but that came with expectation because the old boy was never happy by ship. But they kind of played a year. But it was

never good enough for the old boy man. So Um, I moved to Jacksonville, Man, and that's when I really blossom in the game of basketball. Is when I had a chance to move to Jacksonville. Because down here in Miami, man, it's all football. And that's all I played with football, football, football. When I moved to Jacksonville, I had a chance to pick up basketball, man. And for four years all I

did was played basketball. So when I came back to Miami after playing basketball in four years in Jacksonville, I came back to Miami. I went to Miami. Hi. If anybody know anything about Miami, how man, the expectation in Miami has a win, win, win, and that's it. You know, the great Frank Martin and Shaking Rodriguez god less have did you know what I'm saying, mafioso, Like you know what I'm saying when you talk about the Shaky's and the Willie Folcons and the South Folkons, and you know,

you go, you go read up. You understand what's really going on with mind behind the tradition. You know what I'm saying that that that followed with us, Um Frank Martin right now in South Carolina. You see what he was able to do as far as turning that program around. Man to this day, Um, a life sale, you know, a mentor. I know people that Frank don't picked up the phone and when it got four five in the morning, now together, you know what I'm saying. He's that kind

of guy. Um And to this day, you know I owed him a lot. So you know, for me, I've had a lot of angels in my life, man, that have been able to catapult me to get to this point. Man, there's no way I would have did this by myself. There's no way. You know, the chips are stacked against us already. And without them angels, man, I wouldn't be here. Who did you grow up watching and rooting for? I mean, I know, being up being right there at home. You know who did you grew up watching the room for

as a young basketball player, Man, Tim James. So people don't know the people think. People think that I'm the original first player from Miami to play for the Miami Heat. And I always shout out Tim James. Tim James when the Miami Northwestern from my hood Liberty City. Yeah, I remember Tim James went the University of Miami stayed at home. Um, and he was the first player born and raised in Miami to actually played for the Miami Heat. And he

actually wore number for they. So when I went number for the for the Miami he I'm repping Tim James, but I'm also repping my Pops, because my Pops ward number for they when he played for Northwestern as well. See, everybody went to Northwestern and my family, Northwestern was like the spot of liberty, sy that's the place to go. Um, I chose my own path. I went to Miami Hot. Man, it worked out for me. But Tim James was who

I watched. Man. He was like you had your pee wee Kirklands in New York and you had this, that and the third Tim James superstar. I mean, motherfucker high jumped like seven three or some ship. You gotta read about Tim James, Like that ship was crazy, Like Tim was like legend. Yeah, bodies, that's what's up. What was your recruiting process? Like played a little bit of football foul basketball to be your sport, But what was your recruiting process? Like it did you have someone locked in

from the beginning you want or somewhere you wanted to go. Man, Brent right, my homeboy man, my best friend went the University of Florida. Man, they had amazing recruiting class man, and they were recruiting me. But I never had a chance to meet, you know, Billy Donovan. But what sold me was Anthony Grant. Anthony Grants, the universe, the coach at University of Daton. He also went to Miami with my my ma alma mater from over town. If anybody

know about Miami, you understand what overtown is. Anthony Grant came in, pulled up and he'd been with he'd been with Billy from day one, since Billy was at Marsha with the Jason William day. So when Anthony Grant got involved, it made me feel a little more comfortable about really putting my trust in somebody who I weren't comfortable with because once again, growing up in Miami was black, a Cuban or a black Hispanic, whatever Hispanic you want to call,

Puerto Rican, Dominican. We really had too many white people. Man. So when Billy Donovan came and sat in front of my sand in front of me and let me see that at my grandma house and he went to fast talking. I ain't really I ain't really responded that, you know what I'm saying. It was different. Was somebody coming from New York and they're sitting down fast talking, and I'm like, yeah,

it sounds good. But then when I had a chance to sit down with Anthony Grant, somebody from where I'm from, and like I said, over town, and he really understood me, understood the process and what I was really dealing when they're going through. That's what made me more comfortable going in versity of Florida. I never took a visit anywhere else. Man. I commitis straight the Florida and I stuck with it. My daddy probably still mad with me to this day

because he wanted me to travel all around. You probably won't try to get a bag or something, but I stayed. I stayed last about there with gays be other man, I went to Florida. That's a up Who who else was recruiting you during that time? University of Miami recruited me, man, But I was a kid from Miami to understood I needed to get out of Miami. UM, UM, Syracuse, Clemson, UM South Florida. Uh. Maybe a few of schools, not not, not a whole lot. It wasn't I. I wasn't one

of them dudes that had fifty schools recruit me. Nor was I one of those dudes that said I always knew I was gonna make it. I know people had those stories. That just was never my story. I never wrote about the house on the on the corner and said one day I'm about that for my mama, Like, yeah, get people. I get people had them stories and that's good for you. That just wasn't mine, Right, What was that experience like being a Gator? Oh? Man, that's probably

the best four years of my life. Man, the best four years of my life was the first time I had an opportunity to really engaged with different kind of cultures and really understand, um, you know what life was about. You know, something bigger than what you see every day. And I think that's really been my motivation outside of basketball, is letting these kids know it's something bigger than what

they see every day. I think the first thing that kids do in the first mistake we all make growing up is that we think the world is just like what we see every day when we come outside and where we go we think that's like the whole world. Like when I got to school, I never really I never understand, like you ain't never seen a crackhead before.

When I've seen people say they ain't ever seen the crackhead, I thought something's wrong with them, right, I was like, really, like, people like you, like y'all don't see this ship every day. So the first mistake we make, man is thinking that everything is like hood. Everyone's like hood, and that's what it is. So for me, man, just understanding that everyone went like libyc. Everyone went like over town everywhere went

like a little Bena. So that's what I tried to show the kids man, Like it's a bigger world than what you see every day when you go at your house. Man, I ain't never went to South Beach until I got the NBA. I tell people that all the time. Until I got the NBA, I had never a cross that bridge to go over to the South Beach. How did your bond form with Billy Downald? I love Billy Man. Billy Uh. Billy pushed me. He was the first coach outside of you know, Frank Main was to actually push me.

Frankman was the first coach to push mean, Billy was a second before that. Everything came batter Man, But Billy was on some different ship. Bill was on so waking me up six o'clock in the morning, running before class, give me out the class man. It was on some conditioning. Like you know, I wasn't really big on that conditioning. Man, I just go who give me the ball. I'm gonna get a bucket, like you know what I'm saying, Give me the ball. He can't guard me. He can't guard me.

He too small, Like I got funk work. I'm stronger, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't you know that that athletic. But I just knew how to get a bucket. So at that time, conditioning and that part of it wasn't really a focus for me, you know what I'm saying. When I got to college, that's when I really understood that you had to be in great shape. You had to eat right. You know what I'm saying, You had

to get your rest. I think that's when Billy started really kind of like, you know, breaking me in on that aspect, and he wouldn't let up. You know what I'm saying. Every morning you up, you got conditioned. If you don't go, you gotta go again the next day and again at night. So it was like, if you don't go, you gotta go twice the next day. So Billy was the first one to really really get that discipline in my life as far as that, and to this day, I still I still live like that. I

still eat right, I still work out. You know I'm saying, I still train my body in my mind a certain way, just saying I love it so to decorated, you know for your player, which is rare these days. Um, two two you go undrafted. The minute that draft stop, what's going through your mind? The worst best night of my dawn life? Man I had, Man, I had a great college to really you know what I'm saying, Um, I had teams tell me it was gonna draft me. And

that's what people don't understand. Man. Like, It's never been a situation where I've never been salty with the league or whatever the situation was. But I am salty when you look at my face and tell me something and you don't do that and you look you lie right to me and you look me at my face. I was never given it. I was never Nobody never told me they're gonna take me first round. A lot of people look at my face and tell me, if you're there a second round, we're gonna take you. Hm, that

didn't happen. I was just motivation for the next phase of my life. Man. When I got to Europe. Man, I took one night. Man, I tell people this all the time. I took one night at the Bottle of Hennessy at Boston Black and Mirs. I gave myself one night the pity party. Get that ship out your system, feel bad for yourself, and get to work. And that's how I him and that's how I handled it. Man. People, I stayed on I stayed on American time while I was over there in France, I took naps um during

the day. I stayed up and I communicated with my family and I worked out what was that experience? Like, how how difficult was it to play basketball in Florida, then go to the University of Florida and then you're overseas thinking you were going to be in the NBA. Man, I've never seen snow before. I cracked the wind shield. Dog. So I get up in the morning, it's ice all over the car, all over the wind shield. In my mind, he takes some hot water and throw it on the ship.

The met that was that makes sense to me for what like man that ship boom the hold damn wind shield crack. I don't blow the people ship. Now I got it. Now I can't drop the next next. A month later, I'm driving. Now I don't know how to drive stick ship. If I'm driving that, I'm driving, I don't hit this man ship. He jumped out of the car. He of he talking that. I don't speak French. He talking friends. So now it's getting I know he talked to crazy. So now I didn't get one of them.

I leave a car. I go to practice because now I know the car got the team name on it. Man. People come into the jail, so now I'm in France. I'm locked up. I don't did the day in friends jail. It was a learning experience, though, that's what I said. It was a learning experience. Man, I understood like every once again every hood in that your hood. Man, you can't live right when you out when you you a certain places, you gotta act a corney. Man. You ain't

you out of bounds, bro, you gotta act. I'm over in France and not thinking I'm still in Miami and then it wasn't working like that. That's tough. See, all three of us have similar journeys, you know what I mean. Jack and I were drafted but didn't make it. And it's funny you say that. I went out got super high, drunk, and then I went to the d League because I really felt like I deserved to be in the NBA. So I just went there, just on on sucking everybody up and see that you or me, and it was

gonna be me. And then Jack, you know, went on his journey and finally found his funding. But to me, once I got there, it made me appreciate it so much more. Like I didn't take ship for granted because people say, oh, you got drafted, you made it. That's the furthest thing from the truth, you know. I mean it had it was taken away from me before I ever got it. And by the time I got there,

like I I played every gas. Why I played so fucking hard outside of being a football players, I played every game like it was my last because I was in a situation where it could have been not even talking about injury, but just I started on a ten day contract. You know what I mean? So that grind was real? How did you end up leaking up with Miami? Um in oh three? So like I said, um stat jack. Remember So I played some of the Heat and I had a great summer league. Me and the Way we

had a great summer league. Right after that, I got a call from san Antonio. So I go play at san Antonio. I told that ship up. I'm telling my double double machine out there with san Antonio in Vegas. San Antonio offered me off me a one year deal at that time that he hadn't offered me anything yet. About a week later, after the Heat offered me, um, I'm sorry. After san Antonio offer me um did, Heat called me and they offered me a two year deal. I go down and sign a deal and the great

ball I could do a Hall of Famer man. This was something that I never forget, man, because when you talk about throwback jerseys, if you ask at hand, no MA could do it through. If you'll ask, ain't had no macadde throw back jersey. You you ain't even throw back game. You ain't a throw back game. So the Great, the Great Bob Mica do looked at me. He say, Man, I told him, people, once I've seen you in Las Vegas at that at that summer league, you better sign

that boy. And with that, man, I mean, like I said, Man once again, I'm just I'm my dog. I'm trying to eat out here. Man. But you take the time and you hear somebody like Michael Do say something like that, and you take time to kind of like step back and appreciate, you know, the work that you're putting in. But it makes you want to do more, you know what I'm saying. And make you want to do more, you know, it don't make you want to stop there. So you know, that was the beginning of my journey

for the Miami Heat. You know, having an opportunity to go play for the Miami Heat and san Antonio really catapulted my career because you know how this goes. You know what I'm saying, it's a copycat league. You know what I'm saying. How much they how much they offer them, They're gonna know ball, Yes said somebody offer you two dollars, They're gonna offer you two fifty. So it wasn't it wasn't too san Antonio offer me one year and then he came back off of me too. That's how I

worked out. Yeah, that's how I worked out, man, And y'all ground to man always always you know what I'm saying, and I know you know what I'm saying this y'all show. So I ain't gonna give y'all. I can't, you know, take your time, but I do want to get y'all praise. I always appreciate it the way y'all play the game. And they were back down. We wasn't never the stuff for you. Stat used to get your shots up, but we weren't never really people that got a lot of shots.

You got your ship up. Now you got to give up. You can't with your got the gun every now and yeah, but we weren't really guys that had a lot of plays round for us, man, But we find ways to impact winning, Dog, and people needed us on their team. You needed guys like us to win. Like I tell people all the time, Dog, you got drivers of the car, you got people that do all that other ship. But you take away the mechanic. Let that motherfucker don't crank

up and where you're gonna go. Take away the people that work on and take away the people that change the oil, take away the people that change the tires and all that, and see how far that car go ain't going nowhere? That that's that that goes is what what Greg Poppers used to say. He was like, Man, you have a lot of teams. You got your Tim Duncans, you got your Kobe Bryant, you got your the d wads, But they don't win championship without run. I test Draymond Green,

Stephen Jackson. You Donna's hassling always always always impacted winning, bro. And I commend y'all for that, man, because it could go the other way when you when you're only getting four or five shots. We haven't seeing people to go the other way. They can't figure out the way to impact winning. Now they't just a goddamn counsel. Now they're not you know what I'm saying. Now, you don't even want to be around the ass. No, you don't want to ask in the locker room. You want to be

around the ass. You don't want to round you So you figure way the impact? Yeah, man, And if people don't know how tough that is on you mentally just to state and figure out where is the impact winning man. So especially when you commend to y'all, I'm committing. Appreciate that, bro, Thank you, bro. Appreciate it. So tell me that you d what was your welcome to the NBA moment? Oh man, Derrick Kobe, do you see d C d C Filing shipped out of me one game when he was playing

for Filling? And I say, damn you see you try to hit me that hard? You say, y'all felt if I tried to hurt you, you you have been on a stretcher. I said, Okay, it wasn't. Listen, I respect that. I know now, I know if you was really trying to suck me up, I would have been out of here. I get it. I get people don't know. Derrek Coleman one of the motherfucker's when he says something he mean it, ain't know if it's but about it. He told me, listen, ya felt, if I was really try to hurt your

assould have been on a stretching. Respect you know, And it wasn't. It wasn't that I was scared. But he's getting real like, if I was really trying to hurt your ass, I would have hurt you heavy handed. Nigger, big old heavy hands. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I was like, Okay, they on this ship out here, they hurt your ans if they feel that's what they are out here. I get it. But see that's a different game though, you know what I mean. We came in Jack, you came in uh late nineties and early

two thousands. We came in early two thousands. It was real like we was playing with some real big dudes. I remember playing with Shaq early, you know, midway through my career, and he used to say, you know, if so so it gets going, just send him to the paint and I'll put him out. I said, Yo, you know what I mean. Said Shock used to let them let him come to the paint. I'm gonna knock him down. And that was just the of the game, hard fouls.

But the game is so different now. But I remember banging against them O G s. And you never knew what that old man strength was until you ran straight up real talk man got them to this day. Man, old man strength is real. People don't know what People don't think that that is real. Man strength is something else. Yes, man, Gary Payton, put that form on your ass. You ain't going nowhere. Do them. You said what you want to say, You're gonna form and hand check and do all this.

You ain't going nowhere, And we caught the end where you could form and you could grab their hip. Remember when they would try to grab your hip, then you really wasn't moving at all. Like you couldn't even get out of that show. You had to run away to get away. Man, that was a grown man basketball. That's when that's when they found out your ass couldn't play no defense. They go at you times, go at your fifty to turn four. Hey, listen, they will go at

your as fifty five times. That took you out ship real. What was your pression obviously coming in getting your chance on oh three? What was your impression of a young d Way man so green? You know what I'm saying, like man for the Way, Like you know what I'm saying, when he came down to Miami, like I have been overseas, but I felt like when he came down to Miami, like he was real quiet. Um. You know, they didn't

say much. You know, only time you really saw like an aggressive side or or like a side that really was like fourceful was on the basketball court. Man even off the basketball court. He didn't talk much, but we spent so much time together. Man, we were living in uh the Mutiny Hotel, me the way. He was standing in the Mutey Hotel, and o J. O J was standing in the Mutey Hotel too. We were staying down out the Muty Hotel. I see I had the weight

on y'all show. I wish I would ask the way about o J. We stay and get hey, he's talking about you, talking about the juice. The juice that's up. It's up. And listen o J. Listen. I don't want to get off. O J. Woman tried to hold at the way. I say, the way listen here. I said that, and I think that's how many the way got told. I said, listen here, you know that's OJ woman. Boy. I say, you know that's boy. I said, no, maybe

I have to call the people over here. Yeah, man, the way was living in the Mutiny man and and o J. Woman tried to hould that the way man, I told you weight of rip man, listen, man, don't I don't. I don't know that's OJ woman. I don't know if he did it or he didn't do it. But we might have that we might have to we might have to handle him if he come over were playing. But we literally spent that something together. Man. When people talk about Miami Heat coaching, man, it's really a coaching. Man.

You build a bond through the work ethic. You know what I'm saying. And that's what people, you know what I'm saying, don't understand, is we really build our bond through working together and pushing each other so many way spend the whole some of together. Our workouts in the morning was we was at the track at you know, I'm running. We was over that the arena, fire basketball in our weights. Uh. Afternoon we would go over to zo um and uh over town we go to Zojim.

We play pick up a lot of pros in town and summer, and then at night when we go back over to the arena, we would get our shots up. And that's literally how man, you way to spend the whole something. That was it, you know what I'm saying. It was me and him and just like the same thing. You you in my city, man, and I'm gonna look out. You know, you come to the gril crib, You're gonna get something. We're gonna ripe through the hood. I'm make

sure my people take care of you. When the time D Way went out, we ain't nobody tapped one show to say I'm d homeboy. You straight need anything, just let me know. And it's just how it was. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't use that line before. I'm d your own boy. I listen, and I don't use that lie before two stad Jack, everybody knew. And it's real. You really recognize me, Man, you're a certain place you tap in. Man, you already know what it is. Yeah, you got it. You got to do it if I'm

in there, if I'm in that lake. Yeah, I'm at home Boy for show. I don't want no problems home boy. I'm too old for that. Man. I'm man. I got more time behind me than I do ahead of me. Man, I don't want no problems man with you on that one. So what was it like the growth see coming in as a rookie? When did you kind of see him start making his stride? Man? Wow, she I think when they moved him to the point guard. I think when

they moved him to the point guard. I don't I want to say it was maybe halfway through our last season, Um, they moved to I'm sorry halfway through our first season. Um. I think I don't think people remember that the way they played point you know, his first year, and I think about halfway through our first season is when he moved the point guards, when he kind of finally started like coming into his own. Maybe he felt more comfortable just having a ball in his hand all the time.

It wasn't because he was making place for no damn by that tell you that, but comfortab might just felt more comfortable half of the ball in and mans all the time because he was because he started getting to the money. You know what I'm saying. You start getting to the money, started getting his bags pulled up. He was getting to the basket. I never seen nobody get to the basket the way he was able to get

to the basket. You couldn't stop him to get into the basket if you wanted to, Like, no matter what you did, you couldn't stop him from getting to the basket. And then once he started hitting people with that put up and all that ship like that, I mean, it was just a different ball game. And I mean people look at the move that he made. I think you know it always goes back. That took us to our first playoffs for we want our first playoffs series against

Southern New Orleans. Um that movie, he had the ball. We I sold him up top against b D. Shout out to be d um a real, a real one, another real shout out of man. So I at the top of gainst b D. And he made a tough shot. Man. I think you know from that point on, you know the ways, uh, you know, his legend just you know, kept going from that point. Let's do the way. He was the king of rejecting screens man, to reject your ass off to the base, to the baseline and go

dunk that bit. Man. He retired great, he was great at that, man, he was really great at that. Man. Then he started that Euro and then he didn't started, but obviously he took it and made it, mastered it. Yeah, he made it more athletic and started dunking people with it. You know what I'm saying. The Euro was a layup, you're dunk your ass like that was the young d Way was dunking that bitch. Yeah, you're on dunk your

grass man, Who are your vets on that team? Man? Uh, Karan Butler, shout out CB, he backed out with us. You know what I'm saying, somebody who I get to tap in with now, because being the O G, I really have nobody to sit down and really tap in with when I need a voice. So Karan Butler, Um, Brian Grant, Eddie Jones for a lot of dar legend. You know what I'm saying. Eddie Jones was was my was my vet. You know, all those are great guys, man, you know, uh shout out to brand. Grant was probably

at that time the closest you know person to me. Um. You know, he really taked me a lot at that time about work ethic, grinding, this league, being undersized, shooting that little mere Range jumper. You know what I'm saying. I didn't shoot that media. You know what I'm saying. I just thought I was gonna get that post work down there at six seven. That ship wasn't realistic. I hadn't learned how to shoot that MIDI. Yeah. What with b G Man? What b g A Right now? He's

running his own foundation man out there in Portland. Man, he's doing well. He's really real tapped into that foundation workout there in Portland. Uh, today's birthday too, man Man, Happy birthday, b G Man. That's my boys and my love to him to U D that's a real one man. Yeah, the show is Man took me out on his boat, Man and it really took me onder this wing you know down here. Man showed me a lot of love, took me out to the strip clubs with him, Kevin

to Cavin as he should. All I had to do was all I had to do was have his coffee for me. He played by his coffee. Ain't if you wouldn't have his coffee your asses, grass. That's all I had to do was have his coffee. I remember them them rookie duties, and I don't know if that should exists anymore, but they really hates to have to bring the paper to the coffee. The dog dog. We ain't had no uble. Remember that ship. We had to go

get your coffee with no damn Oba. You can't press the button and just have a car pick up and take you there. And you had to figure that ship out. And the investly want to hear that. They adn't want to hear I couldn't get those car. They didn't want to hear no cab ship. You had to have the people ship. These guys got bobus. They could press the but and they're gonna get our ship and come back quick. Whatever we need, we had it. Have shipped for the plane,

have ship after the games. When you hop on that late night fly, you gotta go have the drink ready. Like there was some real rules and regulations that they went down. Yeah. Man, But then at the end of the day, they took care of you, you know, playoff on whatever it is they took m her Dam was everything. When I first got in the league, I'm like, what what's this Like? I used to they used to get to the O G pass the little per DM checks man b mft that ship, boy, blow that ship fast

that ship. But the game? What's that last? Burn a hole in our pockets? Right up? What was it like when Shot came and joined the team? Man? Wow? Oh, expectations. You know, I think a lot of people don't understand the expectations when when they're changing. It's it's different when you're playing with championship expectations and when you're just playing basketball on the team. Big difference. Now we got championship expectations, We got somebody coming to Miami that's talking about winning

the championship. We got somebody that's coming to Miami that has won the championship. So when Shaq came to Miami, actually I started the criticism started for me first before anybody because and I still remember to this day, they the article was written that Shock had never won a championship. That's how they come up with all kind of numbers. See, I remember ship like this, Shock never won the championship with anybody under six nine. Oh, it's a power forward.

So now, so now you're saying, Travis Knight is better than me because he was taller than me. I tell Travis Knight ass upright, Like what are you talking about? So now you're saying because they're tallering to me, to look at the name. I could go down the list of people that have taller to me that he played with, and I eat that ship. So now I'm saying to myself once again, they go with that bullshit. It's always there. You ain't you ain't gotta go far to find it.

They bring it to you that they'll bring it to you. Man, People say, how you still do it at this at

this at this stage, because it's always there. The bullshit is always do you know what I'm saying, it's always do Now You've for a lot of people down, my bad man, But you're a blueprint for a lot of people, man, because like even us, you know, even me, especially like you, you figured it out, Bro, like you figured it out, A lot of a lot of people can't figure it out, you know what I'm saying, through the ups and downs, like a lot of players. And I ain't talking about

people that's never played again. I'm talking about players. Bro. We commend you because you was able to figure it out. Not only did you figure it out, you figured it out at home, at home. You know what I'm saying. Man, I'll tell you this though, it ain't been all good. Bro. We know that, you know, I know that. You know, Bro, yourself and a dog and you don't want to be bothered, and you don't want to talk to nobody, man, and you and you want one. You feel sleepless. Nice man,

I had to pay my dues. You know what I'm saying, it ain't been all good. I love the role that I have and I enjoyed the success, man, But to make this transition, I've been some sleepless, fucking nice bro grund. Just real. I got a chance to play with Shaq a little later in his career two years after Yeah, oh eight oh eight or nine. I can't like he can't, he said, can to Miami with expectation, talking about winning the ring. You guys been able to do that? More

touch on that. But what was he like in the locker room? Because to me, that motherfucker's said, befoot kid always always playing ship and not flushing the toilet, running around naked man all the time, man jokes man, going drink out the orange juice caught and then don't close and ship up. Just Chris wow man on the chain. That nigger used to be famous for running through naked and like grabbing people, like tackling the trainers. And he

tried to pay me one time. I was just like, come on, bro, don't play this game too big like ass playing all the time. Man, what that I didn't when I was young. And when you're young and you're coming from where we come from, man, you're like, go head on with that ship. They fell on that brill

ship man, Like go ahead with that ship, man. But as you get older, you understand the importance of having somebody to keep it light, and somebody playing, and somebody that got you smiling, and then somebody that's cracking jokes. And I ain't saying you got to run around as snaked, but you understand, you understand the important of somebody that keep it light every day when you come in our locker roomcause that ship could get to be it could

be zombie moment. After a while, you get to see in the same people every day, you're doing the same ship, and then it just become a routine, man. And once it becomes a routine, man, you forget that you're playing in the NBA and you're making millions of dollars. You forget because you're just don't fell into that routine and just doing this every day. So it was it's important. I ain't understand that then, but it's important to have

somebody like that. I keep the locker room like, not that kind of way, but I got my way of cracking jokes and you keep you keep your clothes on though all my ship all all the ain't so. Two thousand and four, two thousand five, you guys go to the Eastern Conference Finals, uh, losing seven games, to Detroit. How tough was that Pistons team? Big shot ass up boy Chauncey and they called him big shot. I've seen

it firsthand. When we talk about somebody that just wait till the fourth quarter to put their foot in your ass, I mean whatnot we could do with Chauncey in the fourth quarter, man, Because you talk about I had to deal with sheet on the block. So when it girls down the sheet, I got a sheet one on one, he made the turnaround jumper. So now we're going to the point where I read sheets. So now she can't get the ball no more. Because if you get if you get him first of all the six and leven,

he turn around, you shoot from up pill. So now we make the adjustment the red sheet. We take him out of the game. He can't get the ball in the mom I'm just using my quickness, in my in my strength just to keep him out of the game. Man, when I tell you and shout out to Damon Jones, man, I love Damon Jones. That's my home. But but when I tell you, Chauncey took his ass through the KLC drive through and gave him a three piece and asking what he wanted on the side. Man. Everybody, Hey, everybody

took damnd Jones through the drive through. Man. Listen, that ship was at the end of the game. Man, I love D Jones, man, but it was thirty. Chauncey had thirty. D Jones had a doughnut. Man. That was when you talk about that was all dark meat, too fried, and then it was all flats. It was right there. That ain't even fry. So man, listen, when you talk about that series, man, we was able to come bat a lot of different things, man, but we could not deal

with Chauncey in the fourth quarter. That was. That was the one thing we couldn't come back to keep up with that team. You know what I'm saying. We was able to come bat a lot of different things. There was a great defensive team when you talk about you know the way they had with Tay Shawn Prince and Van Wallace and you know all those guys. But you know we couldn't come back. Um, you know Chauncey because

he always did it in the fourth quarter. I mean literally the first three quarters, he getting everybody involved, he playing the game the right way. In the fourth quarter, come in, I'm telling you know Chauncey went back your ass down too. So now he getting the post and go to Now he getting the post and go on the dam and ass. So now he don't hit it with ship three or four times of the post. So

now staying tell me to go down and dig. I go down and did he threw that ship out and she she hit the three on my face from uphill. I told Stan, I ain't digging no more. He got to go his man. He got to go in, y'all, y'all take that as gonna take that ass what I was staying. I told Stan, I ain't digging no more. He got to go out. Hiss y'all, yeah, because he's crazy.

So this is like we're talking like this is before you switch picks and all that kind of ship like you had to guard your man back in the day if they would send a dig or a double. But outside of that you had to guard like. It wasn't no switching screens or cross like, no, you had to guard your motherfucking man. Yeah, she hit that. Turn around me, I say, catching no more. Yeah, he got he can't catch it no more. He won't catch you. And they

went to putting. They went to putting Chauncey in the post. I dug one time she hit one three on me. I told he got to guard this man. I ain't going down there. That's it. So they end up taking you guys next season, Uh is your guys championship season, But you gotta start off slow. Eleven and ten understand, Uh, Mafia pat Riley makes an executive decision to replace stand with herself. You guys end up going forty one and twenty the rest of the way and go on and

win a championship. What was the turning point for that team? Was it Pat coming down? Were you guys already talking with it? A combination of both? What got what got you guys on the right track? I mean, we really stopped focusing on pressure and winning the championship. We just stopped playing the game basketball. And I think everybody understood what the expectations were, and I think everybody wanted to

get to that level. Um. But realistically, that was the first time, you know, having that group of guys together. You think about the trade that we made that year when we brought in j Will and pose shout out to my dog pos. Another real one. When you talked about j Willing and Pose and all of them dudes we brought in man Um, you know, we were in Antoine Walker, Um, you know, Gary Payton, you know we're

Gary Payton, Jason Capon, Shandon Anderson camponos Zo. You know, it was really the first time we had that group of guys together. So the expectations was there. But you know, you can't rush that, you know, you can't. You can't just make it happy. You know, even with the Big Three we had that run, we started all slow, so you know, the expectations was then we just had to

figure out to get it together. And what you do is, I think a lot of people what people understanding in basketball and then this sport is if you win a seven game series that don't happen by accident, you're better than that team. But you can't get hot in this ship at the right time. You can't get hot in this ship at the right time. You know what I'm saying. You can't get hot in this ship at the right time. And sport team that team got hot at the right time.

We got hot at the right time in the playoffs. Man, we got how at the right time, and it really the wheel started turning at the right time for us. Take us back. What was that journey like, you guys first round with the Bulls six games, Nts in five games, Pistons in six, you got your rematch, and then you guys beat Dallas in six for the title. Talk to us about that run. What do you remember most about it? Outside of d Way being amazing against Dallas Man, I

mean just being surreal. You know, every step that I was taking, I was saying to myself, Man, they ain't even believe I could be here. So every every every step for me was another opportunity to show the world that Udonis hasn't really deserve to be an NBA, you know what I'm saying. So I took every step personal.

I took every every game personal. I took a playoff series personal, and and and as great of a guy as Dirk is, and as much as you know, I love and respect Dirk Man, I got the upmost respect for Dirk Man. I took that matchup personally. You know what I'm saying. I took that personal. You know what I mean. I take it personal from a lot of different aspects. I take it personal because I wasn't drafted and I took a personal because of what he did

prior to that playoff, dirt was tamned. People asked, uh, yeah, I was supposed to be next in line. They had to not already put me on the plate. It served me up, you know what I'm saying, Like I was supposed to be the next to get you know, chop sticks and all. I was supposed to get that. You know what I'm saying, That's what they were saying. You know what I'm saying. I'm just sitting there watching once again, they're bringing that ship to my dough. I ain't looking forward,

but it's the right you know what I'm saying. I specially was to be a part of bringing the first NBA title back to Miami. You know what when I did that, man, that's when I realized that I had been all the way around the world and it brought me back to Miami. You know what I'm saying, That I had to go to France to get back here. You know what I'm saying, that's the first time I realized that I was I was. I was taking around the world just to come back to my seat and

do something different and do something. Being around the world and now yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, feelers don't know about that. When your boys don't know about that, they wouldn't know, they wouldn't know where to start with that. Man. I had to ask one of the young boys other day. Spot asked one of the young boys of other Days, they know who James Worthy was? And he said no. Man, I didn't feel like, oh my god, he take his contract labor maham, how you don't know jas that that

jack out down? I felt out, my chep man, he had pressure to you know who dreams what it was? The pressure said no, man felt like James, that's the man. But I mean, damn, why don't lost my train of thought. Let's see, I had something forty What if we were just talking about. That's that forty old ship bringing the first championship back to Miami. Yeah, bringing the first ship. That was the first time I realized, man, that I was able to do something bigger than man because the

city came out. You know what I'm saying. The city came out, and then I saw how the city reacted to me, and man, that made me just want to do more in the city. So once I see how to recite the reactor, to me, not just the championship team me. It was different when I went back in the You know what I'm saying, I never I never had security. I never had security. I always had my homeboy. I moved a certain way, and that's how I moved, man.

But to see how the city reacted to me when I went back in the hoods, when I went back around my people, when you were a champion, you know what I'm saying, and you want to and you want to ours It's like you damn president in the hood and you want to And I did it the right way, feel me, and I did, man. So I was like I was like I was like I was. They called me the princes of the city. I never called myself that. I never self proclaiming myself that, But people had given

me that name. You feel me, and I feel like they had a lot to do with the success that I had. But I took that success and I wanted to do more with it. Man. So now it's time to go to the next level with the business. And you provide jobs, and you provide opportunities, you do low income house and you do this that. In the third you touch a little bit of everything. Man, And that's the O G s in me. You know what I'm saying. I had to push the hustler. You touch it all

if you can. Yeaholutely, that's what it is. You got a chance to play and we've touched on this a little bit, but you got a chance to play with one of the greatest two guards ever. Not only was he here a teammate, but it was your brother. What was it like watching his run, his greatness, him leaving and then coming back and finishing the right way? What was that like for you as a brother to be right next to him during that time? Man? I was I felt slightly Uh well, first of all, when he left,

I had no issues with that. You know what I'm saying for me. You you right around. You take sides with a dog, and that that's all I'm gonna do. I'm gonna ride with right anyway, regardless the way. You know that, I'm always gonna ride with the way. You know that, And that's until the wheels fall off this ship.

So whatever he wanted to do, I had his back. Um. That's probably the strongest our relationship has gotten because I really we really made an effort that we really had to make an effort to keep in touch with each other. You know what I'm saying. Before we were just at each other face every day. It was just natural, you

know what I'm saying. And you know how easy it is when you see somebody every day just to keep in touch, and then when they trade it or next year theyre with somebody else, y'all don't even talk no more, you know what I'm saying. So when the Way it was gone, we actually talked more um about ship besides basketball than we ever did life. You know what I'm saying. Are you happy? Are you happy off the court? You

know what I'm saying. Because then we started to realize what true happiness was and that ship had nothing to do with basketball. All our life up until that point, we thought they had to do with basketball. We thought it was on the quarter, you know what I'm saying. And I think at that time and the Way's life, you know what I'm saying, we really started to understand what true happened is well, true happiness is doing what you want to do. True happiness is going back to

your hometown and plan. I've experienced that. I know how powerful that can be. I know the impact even have in your city. If you're able to bring a championship, are you able to do that for your city and lead them to that. So I understood him taking that chance and wanted to be able to have the opportunity to feel that. I want to be an opportunity to do that for Chicago. I know what that feels like. And as a friend, you support somebody that does that.

So for me, I was very supportive of him. Fast forward to when he came back. Man, God bless dead, we had we had to go to my agent, our agent, you know, Henry Thomas's funeral, and after the funeral, you know, deep mid way to now on the on the plane and we're just talking man, and you know, I'm just telling him, you know, we we we got we we we gotta finish you know what this ship how we started. We gotta finish it. We gotta finish it, you know, Hank,

we want us to finish it. Um. You know, it's just you know, if you come to Miami and you just seeing you understand, you understand the impact that you were able to have on the next generation as well as what I'm able to have because you will play, they'll put you out there, so you impact would go even further than mind. Um. And you know, we all men and the way laughing, we joke about it. But man,

maybe he hain't heard that conversation from upstairs. Man, because literally about two weeks later, Um, you know, the way it was moved to move down to Miami was traded from Cleveland down in Miami. And I think that was a reservation for you know, our team, and I think that was a reservation for him. You know, things didn't go the way he wanted it to go in Cleveland,

you know, or Chicago. Um. And I think that was also a resuration for me, man, because you know, I was probably on my way out man, And it had nothing to do with the heat, but you know, for me, it just wasn't as fun anymore, you know what I'm saying. And I think that my brother brought that back to me up take us back, Um, the Big Three comes to Miami. What was your reaction when you heard it was official that Lebron and Bosh was coming on y'all ship.

I was on my way out of here and ain't had that money, right, Yea, I ain't had that money, right. I ain't like I a as much as I lovething about what was going on, the part that I didn't like. They had my money right and I was on my way out. You know what I'm saying, And that's no knock on the heat. You know what I'm saying. You gotta salary cap, you gotta make your decision. You gotta do what you gotta do. So I hit the way like yo, you know what I'm saying. Once again, as brothers,

you support your brother Yo. I love you boy. Y'all got a chance to do something special. I'm out of here. I'm on the e Way driving Bentley. I never forget because many way got match with Bentley's Um. You know when we won our first championship, you know. So I'm on the way in the Bentley Man and uh. I get off the expressway and I get a call from my agent, UM and he said, you know, uh what, uh what what? You get ready to pull in? I say, yeah,

I'm right, I'm I'm righting it from the arena. I'm about to pull in and say, wait five minutes, don't go in yet. So I pulled him to the outside of the arena. I wait five minutes, and he called me back he said, all right, you can go in. So now I'm thinking I'm walking into tell Pat thank you, I appreciate you, I'll love you. But I ain't playing for no minimum right now. I'm in my prime. I can't do that. Now. I've taken pay cuts, but I

ain't no damn food. So at that time, I'm ain't every way to tell a Pat that I'm out here. My agent car, he said, going, I go on with Pat, my agent on the phone. The way he got on the phone with Bron CB, he figured it out. He took a little less. Bron and CB took a little less. They made a little little cut for me. I think we got it to like twenty um. I think I had thirty on the table. Um. So it was a

timmy and dollar pay cut. But for the opportunity to ring another championship to the crib, to play with those dudes and understand what my role was. You know what I'm saying. I understood my role. Let's take nothing away from their greatness. But once again, you need somebody to change the oil, and the mother for the car ain't going, you know what I'm saying. So I understood what my role would be and that was unique to everything that was brought together to that. You know what I'm saying,

That gumbo. That part of gumbo. When you talk about CB, you know what I'm saying, When you talk about Brown, when you talk about the way you talk about me, that's gumbo right there. Man. It's all different flavors and spices and personalities and egos. And I understood there was nothing like me in that park, you know what I'm saying. So I understood what I could bring to that, and you know, I just felt like it was the right thing to do. I never made decisions based on money

that ain't high moved. You know what I'm saying. I gotta be it, gotta be what I feel. You gotta be what I want to do. Shout out to them dudes for doing that though that's happened. You know a few times where I remember Gilbert did that for somebody and that was dope. They did that for you. Um. You know, on paper, you guys look like the team and and and ship. In real life, you guys look like the team. How difficult was it getting everybody on the same page, because I mean, those are guys everyone

is used to be in a star. You know, d Wade is a star, Braun is a star, Bosh is a star. You're a star in your role? How was it getting those three, uh and the rest of the team to kind of understand what it was? And the hardest thing was getting dude is not to step on each other toes. And nobody wanted to step on nobody toes. You know what I'm saying. Nobody wanted to be too aggressive and be a ballhog. Everybody wanted to make share,

everybody get comfortable. Meanwhile, ain't nobody getting comfortable, you know saying? So I think that's the hardest thing was, you know what I'm saying, just getting everybody to adjust it, just being yourself and then we'll figure it out from there. Um. You know, once we got everybody to be theirselves, then the next hardest thing was for the role players. You know, how can we impact this? Your ass might get three shots, You might get three and you got it. Might it

could be the biggest three of the night. It could be the double team. He got the spread of your ass in the corner. You ain't shot in thirty minutes. You better make this one. So as a role player, you're expected to make this one. Ain't nobody looking at

you saying, oh, he don't get those shots. He ain't got a shot if your ass is open for the game when the people expecting you to make it so as a role player, you know, how do we adjust to being in this role of you know, understanding that opportunities might come fuming fine between, but we still gotta make our shots. We can't wind about it, and we still gotta impact winning some shape from a fashion or on the business side. Yeahsses out of here right, you

know what I'm saying. They ain't gonna move the Big three. They're gonna move your ass. But people don't understand you. People don't understand you tossed out of earlier. Obviously Jack got the green light. But people like me and you, you know, sometimes we would get five shots and when you know, you gotta make at least two of their motherfucker's you know, I mean, you get seven shots, you

gotta hit at least three or four. And that's the kind of outside of all the dirty work we did, we always had to keep that out of our mind, like, oh, should I miss my first three? I got in the next one. You know what I mean, like, you put that pressure on yourself and sometimes that ship is hard to play under, but you know you're able to embrace it,

internalize it, and understand it and make it work. But it's a big difference knowing that I'm gonna get five shots, that I'm gonna get fifteen or twenty shots, and I know I can start off over five and still have a good night. You start off for five, You're in trouble. Yo. Let me tell you something, and it's gonna be serious, and it's gonna be games where teams are gonna scheme to make them ball find you because they know that motherfucker's like you ain't like, they know you ain't getting

fifteen twenty shots in the game. They know you want to get four or five shots, so they're gonna make sure your ads get twenty and say, make him beat us. They want make him beat us, make him beat us. You've been, You've been a situation like that. The whole Indiana series. People at the in the end the series, how I how I shot the ball and how I played against Indiana motherfucker's they just they said, make has them beat us. Like you know what I'm saying, I

just was prepared for the moment. You know what I'm saying, Stay my ash ready, stay ready, so you ain't gotta get ready. I was in the gym, so two games straight, I went eight for nine. I wasn't shoot no goddamn you know what I'm saying. I wasn't like I was shooting all contested shots. A couple of was contested, but for the most part, they said, make him beat us. I wasn't a guy that was accustomed to getting nine twelve shots a game. I was a guy that was

accustomed to getting five six shots a game. And in that game, they said, make him beat us. And they put me in a position they have to make shots. And I was able to make shots, and I can make shots. But that's not always the case. Man, when you got to get four or five shots. Man, you could be put in a situation where you took four shots. But you gotta make the motherfucking money shot. You gotta make the money shot, no matter what, no excuse what. You guys get off to a slow start, um in

that first season, What what turned you guys around? I got hurt. That was a tough year for me. Man. My mom's passed away. I got arrested on some buds shit. I got. It's always some bullshit when you get arrested, right, I got it always fitted, you always followed up. But I got arrested on some bullshit. But I got arrested on some bullshit. Man, my mom's passed away, and then

I got hurt. You know, I told I told my third, fourth and fifth metatarso Um playing against Memphis man Garden, you gotta keep you gotta move your feet guarding Zebo. Shout out Zebra, another real one. Moving my feet trying to get around Zebo because Zebo, see you hes gonna jump this high and your asses Grass, it's a bucket. You can forget about it. So I'm moving my feet trying to get around Zebo. And I told my third,

fourth and fifth matter tarso Man. So I missed the whole season, never never even heard of a list Frank injury. I didn't know what the hell that was. So I spent that whole summer. I'm not that some of that whole season just researching my injury. And I was able to come back during the playoffs. And you know, that's why a lot of people remember that series that I had acaut Chicago. UM. The first game back was against Boston, but we were to take care of Boston series with

at me UM. But they needed me in the Chicago series. That's when Chicago had Joe Kim, they had Boozer, they had Todd Gibson. They was young and they were stronger front. They were beating the ship out of us on the buys. Man. So I had to come back in that series. And you know, thank god, man, I was able to, you know, impact winning once again. You just impact winning, man, Yes, sir. So you guys make your first run in eleven, UM lose to Dallas. What did you guys learn about yourself

during that time? We had work to do, man, we had work to do. Um. You know they they mean something simple as a and I mean don't take nothing away from you know, Dallas at all, but something simple as a zone. They really hit us with his own They really hit us with his own dog. We could not figure out a damn zone. I mean, as great of as great as a team we were at that time, as great as basketball minds as we had, we had no answer for their own And obviously, you know they

were a great offensive team. You know, Um, they were able to sco points when we weren't UM and I think that really, you know, bothered bron. I think that summer UM, that's when we were able to play Brian a lot of different areas and he was able to be a playmaker from a lot of different places on the basketball court for us. And I think people saw, you know, a new um, you know, a new focus you know from Brian, you know going into that next season.

But you know they literally just really put his own on that. So we couldn't get a bucket. And once again, I love dirt, shout out the dirt. But if you look at the numbers the NVP that series with Jason Terry, I'm gonna keep it eight one with you. You. I ain't gonna tell people what they want to hear. I'm gonna tell people were really happening, right the NVP of that series with Jason Terry. You go look at the numbers. It's not I'm speaking facts here. You look at Jason

Terry's with every MVP of that series. Man, he told I asked up, he killed us. I was with the Lakers. They swept us on and ended up playing you guys. But I remember one game at ten or eleven threes. He was hot that whole playoffs. Cooking told, he told, I asked up, but he had to because remember, you gotta think that motherfucker got the championship trophy tattoo earlier that year, so he definitely had the back ship up.

He got it before the States even started one, didn't he Yeah, yeah, but he but he backed the ship up. You gotta respect it. And J. J. Burrell J J. Barrell played well off the bench, but the m v P of that series with Jason Terry Man, he told, we had no answer him. You know, I was able to do my thing on dirt. He made shots, He had a couple of decent games, but you know, nothing crazy. But you know what we couldn't account for was what Jason Terry was doing to us. What changes when it

twelve that made you guys ready to taking that step? Man? How happy people was we lost? Damn? I ain't never seen no ship like that before. What we did to people. I don't understand why everybody and this I love Golden Statement for what they're doing, but why everybody loved them but they hated us? I think real quick because I

was gonna ask you too, and I forgot. I think that it pissed everyone off when in the introductions with the teams came together and they were talking about how many championships And I was gonna ask you that because, like I said, you guys are always you know, d Wade was loved, You was love Miami was a fun team. You guys became villains, you know when when the Big Three was formed? And how was that? I want to ask why? I wanted to ask how was that for

you guys? Because none of you guys have really ever been bad guys, but you guys were painted and as crazy. You said that everyone was excited. You guys lost. Man, I tell people this all the time, man Like, it's all about how you deal with it. Man, if you're real, when you can handle it, if you solve, you can't. There's a Lebron James effect when he comes to your team, there is. And if you if you solve mentally, you can't handle it. You know what I'm saying. People ain't

gonna like your teams. People probably gonna want you to lose. There's gonna be expectations to win. You're gonna be expected to take and make big shots. You're gonna fail. Sometimes you're gonna have some sleepless night. Sometimes that's all part of striving to be a great That's all part of when it's when you're trying to get a championship, that's part of when you're playing with the greatest player in

the game right now. You know what I'm saying. When you're playing with the greatest player in the game, there's affectations, you know what I'm saying. And everybody can't deal with that. You know what I'm saying. So you know I mean for us, we I just had We had to figure it out. Man, Like I said, it will sleep as nice. You know what I'm saying, figuring out how cannot impact this team. How can I be a part of this winning process. You know what I'm saying. You gotta be

You gotta be a supporting cast for the dude. They're gonna do their job every night. They're gonna do their job every night, and now you gotta do your job, man. So you know that that was just the hardest part. But the little twelve man Eddie house. You know what I'm saying, Mike Miller, You know what I'm saying, James Jones, you know myself. I mean, the list goes on and on, and those guys shot Sean Lewis. You know what I'm saying, shout out the shot another real one. We kept each

other same man. We pushed each other every day. We played pickup man, and we understood that value on that team. And shout out to the Big three. D way braun cbeat them. Dues also understood that value. And that's another thing man for the superstars out here today. Man, you know what I'm saying, Just showing value and love to

your teammates that do the early work. You know what I'm saying, The guys setting the screens for ya, the ones that get the rebound, the one that's gonna take that take for you, the one that's gonna take that take for you, because you know you ain't like that, that right, show him showing him love. Hey, I got a lot of those motherfucking texts. Goddamnito, motherfucker's wasn't like that. Yeah, he got your back because you ain't like that. No

doubt on you guys. Final run in two thousand and twelve to get in your first championship, What was the Eastern Conference Finals battles like because Boston Miami. You know, Boston had success against Braun and Cleveland, and you know a lot of people say that's why he went and did what he did. What were those games like in

that Eastern Conference Finals? Obviously bronze game six stands out when he had forty five and then the closed out game, But what was that intensity like between the Celtics and you guys that still last to day, It's still it's still in the dog it is, man. And then I tell you the only reason they got squashed with the way they rode because they played together in Chicago. See, they had to call you this. You know what I'm saying.

But if you look at like a lot of the comments that Paul Pierce makes, you know what I'm saying from you know the position he's in now, I don't know him say too much good ship about Brown. Ain't gonna say too much good about Brown. You know what I'm saying. When I look at the position here and I hear him talking about the way and he said some crazy ship trying to hear compare careers, I'm like, man, come on, man, what is you doing? Man? Like? Why

are you you tripping? You know what I'm saying. I got great respect for what KG has done as a basketball player. How he'd be talking out there. I don't play like that, nobody, do you know what I'm saying. I don't play like that. So and so, I don't know. We might be sixty years old in the grocery store and might have to get it on at something like you talking by like you feel me like, I don't play like that, man, you feel me so like, I

don't know if that should ever gonna be over. I got respectful him, But that ship is still out there. Look how they can't When Ray came for us, they came for Ray. That out out of that man. We beat you with Ray and then took it from me and beat you again. You know what I'm saying. Let that ship go. We got kids now, we for it. Like I said, I got more time behind me. They're not do in front of me. And that ship still out there still in the head like I said, I

ain't looking for that beef is still real. Still it's there. Man. I'm just like, man, come on, man, come on, I'm like, come on, Paul man, that ship you were saying about Brian. That ship don't even make no sense. Man. You gotta get credit with credit, dude, Man, you gotta get credit with credit is due, Yes, exactly. But they pushed us like no other and I'm gonna get them credit to that man. They pushed us like no other. Man were we were scared of Boston. Not scared like shaking it out, boots,

but we were. We were threatened. Boston was a threat. Boston was a threat they were. I don't give a damn what you did defensively, come out of time out, Dart Rubles, gonna get somebody a shot. Yeah, Boston was a threat. Brow twelve NBA Finals, he visits thunder. Take us back to that matchup in the young Katie Russ

and James harden Man. That might have been the first time we ever lost the game and being confident, and that was nothing against them, but we just understood that if we played a more mentally aware basketball game, um, that we could we could win that series. We lost Game one and okay see, and we walked in the locker room and said ourselves that we're gonna be all right. Um. And they were young, you know what I'm saying. They

had a lot of growing to do. I think the advantage that we had was just the mental part, and I think we we we we used that. We used it as much as we could, you know what I'm saying. We trapped James Harden on every pick and roll, you know, on the side, and he read a lot of flats for him to come off the sideline in his left hand. As mobile as I was at that time, it was so easy for me just to trap his ass on that sideline, you know what I'm saying. So we were

able to get the ball out of his hands. We understood that Russell was gonna do what he could do. We understood that Katie was gonna do what he was gonna do. I main focus in that series was to stop James Harden, and I think you know that's that's why we were able to be successful. We was able to take him out of that series by no fart of his own. We just trapped his ass every time. That's what we should like. Yeah, he was the focus. Man.

You gotta get credit to what credit due to our coaches that man, we could have focused on trying to stop everybody that was that was supposed to be playing y'all. That supposed to be us playing y'all. They beat us in the Western Conference finals. I saw that. I saw that. I remember that. I remember that. They beat you all down. They what y'all take them now? We want We won the first two and they want fall straight after that. Yeah,

so they called what hey, what we call it? We call that a sweet gentleman sweep, a gentleman, sweet nice to me, take care of hey. So you d you talked about the Lebron James effect, you guys help him get his first ring? What was that experience like for you guys? I was happy for him. Man. I got close to brown Man because so many people have so much hate in their Harford Bron And I remember who was out in the restaurant one time. Man, we're eating as a team and somebody walked by and was like

Lebron James. And he turned and looked and he was like fuck you. And I was like, fuck you right right for me. For me, that made me one and that that this mother game no, Brian Brownie said, none of this man ain't bothering this man. That made me want to be close to to Bron. That that made me say, man, I see what this man go through every day and have it, and I'm a damn show have his back no matter what, through hell the hot wood. He could call on me, because that's the bullshit he

gotta deal with every day. Nobody don't deserve that. You don't even know this man. You better than me, broncs out of sight up shade his ass straight right up, straight up. That's funny. I had a similar situation with Cole, and Cole was the only player that used to He was the only person that paid my funds when I got into some ship for him. The only person got rested soul to my dog. But I didn't took up

for a lot of motherfucker's. The only player to pay my fine when they came to him was called that ship was that ship meant a lot to me. And they don't understand that goes a long way man, and the way in the same thing we do way. Man. He when I when I had my situation with Handsborough, man, he was the first one that the you know, handle that situation. And now I didn't take it, but you know, he offered and I was like, na, you know, we're good,

my boy. You know they't come back around. That's so the following summer, Ray Alan comes and joined you guys, Um, how did that whole situation happen? Oh? Man, all I remember just picking up the paper reading that Ray was coming to Miami. Man, I was shocked, you know, after just playing against him in Boston and the relationship that he had with those people in Boston. I was shocked.

But then our hood having asked, right, but then but then hey, but then I read but once again, once I once you started to read, you know what they're saying in the papers, and you know what they're saying about the situation, then it just makes Ray one of your brothers even faster, you know what I'm saying, because now he wants us and they're coming from him. Whether I know what's going on or not, he with us

not you feel like, well, I know what happened. And hey, even though you ain't laying the ship, you over here with us now, so we gotta protect your ass. Yeah, your ship is my ship. Now you get explaining to me. Maybe your ship is my ship now. Maybe you can explain to me what happened later, but right now, we gotta deal with this. And then when Ray came that before I even spoke to Y even knew anything about Ray.

I just was reading the articles, and you know, everybody was upset and frustrated with Ray and now and that made me he want us. I ain't even met Ray yet. Ray with me, Ray with me, I don't that's that mentality you need it. So we've been you know, throughout this this process, you got a chance to play with a lot of great players, win championships, very selfless team. First, November twenty one, two thousand twelve, you become the Heats all time leading rebounder. How much did that mean to you?

That gotta go to funk that that gotta mean a lot, bro, You know all the Hall of Fame centers and play for this goddamn team and you're a little shot asked it's the all time to leave rebounding my nigger. Definitely definitely a show that the rest of the motherfucker's that definitely, man, You know what, you know what I've learned to start doing, man as I got older in my career. Take time to appreciate this ship, though, Take time to appreciate this ship, dog,

because man, I kept my head down working so much. Man, and I never really took time to appreciate myself man, or appreciate the things that I've had time to accomplish. And you always say to yourself, one day it's gonna be over, and I'm gonna sit back and look at it and appreciate it. But you don't know when this they're gonna be over forever, forever. You might not get up in them talk. You might have a situation you might not get out of. So you can't keep pushing

back those opportunities to celebrate yourself. Man. You can't keep pushing back to my opportunities to be in tune with your star player, bro, because you don't know how much time you got out here. Man. So at that time I regret it, but I didn't celebrate it like I should have. But now the person I am now and where I am in my life today, yeah, I appreciate the hell out of I appreciate the hell out of it because I wasn't out there. It wasn't supposed to happen.

We talked about Alonzo Morning, who was a Hall of Famer. You know what I'm saying. I broke his records and then I get a chance. They have these young dudes telling me, Man, they're gonna come from my record, man, and that's motivation for them. So now I'm just motivating the next generation. All Bam talking about is breaking my record. I tell Bama if I get it, I tell Bama, if I get in the game and grab one rebound, that's another record you gotta chase. Mother, just all another record,

well that you gotta chase it. You kept talking, sir, hey real quick since you brought up Bam and then we'll get back to this. How tall is Bam Man? About a good six nine six teen? Is that big? Yeah? He looks he looks small around this year. I wonder how big he was. Yeah, yeah, he won't be. He's no taller than six nine. I'm gonna give him sixteen. He's about six d six jumping board too. Alright, back, so two thousand thirteen, you guys are going from back

to backs. You guys have a twenty seven game winning streak. What kind of group for y'all in y'all was on another plan of but inside your guys locker room, in your world? What what was y'all on at that time? Man? We was? We was? Everybody knew they roll you didn't have to think about what you remember. I tell you that first year, but you don't know how many shots with you was gonna get when it was gonna come. We was. Everybody was in tune with they roll. I

was playing the first and the third. I was starting off the game. I played at the first six minutes or something like that, and then I come back in. I played like first six seven minutes. I come back in at the end of the second, I started third. Like, everybody was settling into their role. It wasn't no jerking. You were in and out of the rotation and all that. So everybody was settling into their role. Man. We were

just we were just in his zone. I think the one thing about that twenty seven game win streak is that everything became about the guy Street. Everything became about the street, man. I mean, the smallest games became about the street. The biggest games became about the street. We're going to lunch, it's about the street, you know what I'm saying. Everything came about the street. Everything became about

the street, bro. And I think it just it warned us mentally and shout out to Chicago for break and that ship. You know what, I'm saying, they beat the you know what I'm saying, and that that had nothing to do with us, you know what I'm saying, being mentally fatigued about the street. Yeah, warned us, but you still step out on the floor and the game played in between the lines, and we went into Chicago and they beat their ass. We tried to turn it on

that the end, but we couldn't do it. I remember hearing and reading you know, since you said, you know, everyone will kind of struggle the first year, not stepping on each other's toes. That the way kind of handed the keys to Braun, and I think that free everyone else's minds up. Speak to that. Yeah, he did that, he told him. I remember that, Hey man, listen, this

is your team. I remember that. I'm not sure, um at what point of the season, but I remember in the locker room the way standing over to Brown, he said, it's your team, and I figured out, you know what I'm saying, And I think that was a huge, huge confidence boosts for Braun, you know what I'm saying, because once again we got three great players. Three great players. Um. But I think a lot of people don't really get Chris Bosh credit he deserved from that team for what

for what he was able to do. Talking about the cold motherfucker m he was cold. She he was cold. Yeah, I don't understand that. You talk about patient, you talk about you know what I'm saying, That's the first time I ever seeing somebody with jab your ass untill they get the shot they want. He will jab your ass till he get the shot. He won't. And if you fall asleep, hand down, man down that CB all day

because that job is money. And then when you talk about when you started flaring back to the three, people don't know there was games but Braun and the way they ain't playing, Step could go for thirty or five and we will still win. He was that guy, you know what I'm saying. So I mean to play with those that that calible of talent, and to compete against those guys every day, you can't help but raise your standards. Man,

that's dope. So the thirteen, you guys hit the Eastern Conference Finals and I have a tough seven game series against the young Paul George Lands blowing in bronze ear d way Roy Hibbert. Take us back to that series because I think if I'm not mistaken. Wasn't that the series that PG dunked on Bert Man? Yeah, they bang them, man, I'm bikes bird my guy. I want to talk about that he speak shout out birth for real. But that's one of the coolest white boys I've ever been my

whole time in life. But I got a chance to play with him in Memphis. That dude is so fucking cool Man, great guy, great my dog, my dog Man, bird Man. Them dudes was tough. Man. It was tough man in that year. People don't know that they got I think home court advantage the first year we had it. The next year they had it. So we had to go in today place. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it was a tough place to play at that time. It was a tough place to play at that time.

And they were ready for us the second time. But what they weren't ready for was the same dumbass game playing leave has them open. I don't understand why you thought that ship was gonna work. If it ain't work the year before, why you thought that ship was gonna work next year? Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, and you see what happened. You see what happened. And I don't even and I didn't even play that much that series, man, I didn't. Man. My thing was to

come in and rebound and play defense. Um, Shane, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that's when they figured out that Shane was a little bit undersized and David West going to work down now, so I was actually called in to play at that time. We went into that series playing small ball. We went into that series playing with Shane at the four. Once again, you never know when your numbers called, man, stay ready, so you got so you all gotta get ready. We went into that series

playing small ball, and Shane started at the four. And to combat that, Indiana went to the post on Shane with David West. We know David West big down there, got work, yeah, and he got work down there, you know what I'm saying. So I moved to come back. That was to bring me in off the bench. And now Shane goes on from playing and playing every game and starting to not playing at all, and now I'm

playing every game and starting and playing the mins. And to these young fellers out here being professional, you never know, Yeah, it's gonna be called in playoffs or whatever the situation. Maybe I ain't even played the series before at all. He was playing small ball the very next series. They come back that and bring Shane down to the post and go to go to work. Now I gotta come in and I gotta be ready. No, nobody want to hear he didn't play the last series. You nobody don't

want to hear he ain't in rhythm. They up and played the same scheme or offense, and that like they asked up again. But at the end of the day, I wasn't. I didn't know. I wasn't even play that series. Yeah, but that's that, that's that. It's crazy you said that, because that's what I tried to teach, you know, coaching my kids that are twelve years old. You know, I could teach you everything, but if I if you learn anything, I want you to know how mental this motherfucking game is.

Man so mental to not being able to not playing in the series. You know, all you can as players, we can't wait to get the playoffs, so to not play, to stay mentally sharp and still put your work and still stay prepared, and men, like you said, go from not playing to get a majority of the minutes next round and still be effective at your job. Man, that ship is mental. And then shout out to Shane too, because I know he took it like a chance. You know, he's a team player, so he did what he had

to do to stay ready. But that ship is as a mental grind boy next year because he came back the next series and and and gets San Antonio shot shot shot well, you know I'm saying, shot, Well, you know what I'm saying. He shot really well, and you know what I'm saying. So he came back when his time was called, his number was called, he came back and he did his job. You know what I'm saying. Me and Shane had we had a great one. We had a special handshake and uh we say strengthening. We

shid stay strengthening on it to each other, strengthening on him. Man, every night. That what's up. That's what services. It's for the greater good. So we get to two thousand and thirteen, the NBA Finals against the San Antonio Spurs epic series. Looking back on that, now, what stood out the most to you? Oh man, pop man, pop pops amazing. Ain't even that's not a take, That's not taken nothing away from the town. But damn, man, Pop is amazing. You

know what I'm saying. You know, I know, you know, you know. I don't know if in this league how to work how I work. You supposed to give shout out to other coaches if you ain't playing from I don't know how that ship work. But were on all the smokes, So we make y'all boys make the rules. Y'all boys make the rules. I ain't on TNT and none now all good pop Pop Pops amazing man, and I've always had great admiration for the way he's been able to not just coach the game in basketball, but

manage just players in the personality. Man, dude, the dudes love him, you know what I'm saying. And I've always been amazed by the way Pop Pop has been able to manage all of that translate that ship also into winning, because none of that ship matters. If you don't win, you don't matter if your team like you, it don't matter, none of that ship if you ain't winning, you know what I'm saying. So I've always been amazed with what

Pop been able to do. So you know, just the first thing that stands out in that series is just a ball movement, man, and just how Pop out the motherfucker's prime. You know what I'm saying. They're ready and it's just like a well or machine out there. You know what I'm saying, Ain't no hiccups, ain't no speed bumps, that ship running. Everybody buying end. Yeah, yeah, everybody buying in. But Jack, you were supposed to or should have been playing in that final, so not mistaken, right T tell us,

uh tell us your Tea Max story during that time. Yeah, I would probably got that rebound all to block the ship out of that week as three race shot. But h but he but I was. I was supposed to be on the team, and Pop cut me right for the playoffs. Man, he cut me right for the playoffs. He put me in the position Pop want. The smartest people I ever know, He put them in the position to where he knew I was gonna respond to where I was gonna seek off the team. Yeah, he knew that.

He knew I was gonna cut myself. You asked me to say somebody better than me, fuck you and everybody around you. That's gonna be my response to anybody. Okay, I like that to nobody, and Pop knew but they but but but before he even asked me that question, they had Tracy Grady already on the on the plane, already in town, so they knew what they were doing. And that's why the ass lost to y'all because the

real higger wasnot to get the rebound. And that's what happened, bro, because while was my boy where he needed a real one on the side of him. But now all bush the side that I was supposed to be on that team. Man, it would have been great to be in the finals a getting play against youall on that finals. That was a good series. That would have been great. Yeah, you would have You would have loved that. Man. Would have been a hell of an environment and we would have

been able to hang out while you were down. He would have been no COVID boy, and the finals in Miami with U D Ship would have definitely been at something. We definitely do something. Everybody had been on the South Beach would have been on the other side. It was that when you was at. It was on the other side of the know nothing about that. Y'all had that beach ship. We don't want none of that. Your sir, Hey, so game six, the Spurs have the title in hand

and UH can't secure rebound. Ray hits that shot. Take us back to that night and how that, you know, reduced you guys for game seven once again, I wasn't even playing that serious. So I had front row seats to the whole goddamn game and that shot from Ray. Man, I just remember sitting over there and they're bringing them down, them down, rope stop, and I'm saying, I'm saying, you know that, I'm saying, I'm like, I'm in disbelief, like I'm looking at this ship like and I don't city again.

The marriage got us like that before. Man, Man, man, it's like they that came in the house and took our food and walked out. This motherfucker. Man, it just you couldn't have told me that we weren't gonna win again. And when that where see he got that rebound the way the angle that I had, I was directly on the other side of the shot from Ray And when I saw Ray let that motherfucker go, I knew it

was good room room. Man. People don't know you watched Ray he do some drills when he lay down on his back like he's taking a nap and jump up and runt to the corner and shoot that motherfucker man, rayb It said all kind of ship. He'll sit down Indian style and run to the three point line and shoot. You do all kinds of little drills like that, so for you have the backpen and get to that three point line and know that line at He practiced that

every day. That's that's a mental exercise that he go through. That's one person I used to always try to lock up. Brother. Let me tell you one thing I used to hate with Ray When he got the ball, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm good money. As soon as I see a screen or two, and I got to chase him off the screen. You think you on him, you think you're right there on him. But as soon as he gets them feet set, bro, that's your ass. Man. Listen. Part of Boston offense against

us was got them the way chasing Ray Man. They know that they way, and they had running all the ground. It got there the way, like man. That was part of the goddamn offense for Boston. Just run his ass, get him tied, yes, sir, So you guys are able to come back get that game and winning games seven to go back to back? What does it feel like to be back to back champs, something that rarely happens. I don't think we appreciate it the way we should have,

you know, the whole gun. You know what I'm saying, And that's just the gods on the truth. You know what I'm saying that the team that we had, the run that we had, the success that we had. That's not to say that we we we didn't appreciate at all, but that amount of success in that short period of time, four straight finals, you know what I'm saying, I don't think we appreciate it the way we thought the way

we should have. I think we got to the point where we thought we were just gonna do that ship every year. You know what I'm saying. It was just like it was just expected that we were just gonna keep going back to the finals and we're just gonna stay together, We're gonna stay healthy, and it ain't gonna

never break up. And I think I think that was that was probably a mistake, and I think we should have probably just you know, probably you know, I loved it a little more, you know what I'm saying, especially when you look at yeah, enjoyed the process. Man, We just focused on working, working, working, and next year we're gonna do it again, and just then and third, and I think we never really took time to enjoy it.

I think everybody had. You know, you had your one little party, you had your parade, and then you think you're gonna do it again, and it's just that's not reality, you know what I'm saying, It's not reality the thing that you're just gonna keep going back to the finals and just doing it again. I think we really should have took time to understand the position that we was in as a team, you know, as a group, you know, as a quote coach is that organization everything, and that

was something special that we was able to do. Man, And you know, Go to Stay obviously came in and they had their run and they duplicated and they took it even further than did they was able to do. But anybody that's been a part of runs like that, you understand how special that is, especially when you get towards the latter part of your career and you start to get you know, start to see yourself walking away from this man that's a team and the situation in

a run that will always be remembered and always talked about. Yes, sir, so, so you guys is for your run comes to the end the next season? Uh, with a rematch first san Antoni, they were able to get you guys, Lebron exits. What's your first reaction to here? And Nebron was going back to Cleveland? Did you know about it? Or you learned like everybody else that Jack? Let me tell you what you play the san Antonio? What the real when the reality of the condition going out like that is that happened?

He said? Who pay the white? Who cut the court? Let me let me tell you this, who cut the court? You know, I'm always keep it funking with you? You did? You, my guy? Anything that going on in the arena san Antonio spurs practice, sittling pop got something to do with it. Yeah, that's right. Was cramping all up in that ship, right, wasn't that that? Man? That's how the fish greasing there? Man, that's with how the fish greasing there? Man, listen, they had fans in their locker room. We had no fans

in our locker room. Man, held up, don't get me it's already in Texas that admitted they already ship. Man. Listen, I ain't saying it happened on purpose. I don't know what the hell, but they try to bubbeque. I ask something that Man, we're sitting in the locker rooms. Were sitting the locker room part water on each other. Many man, come, okay, we need you step out of snap out. It's hot up in this mother. I'm I'm sharing my water with him. Go ahead, man, come on, crazy as hell. So, like

I said, you guys fall short. Pop has something to do with it on and off the court. But what was it like? You know, like I said before your run, you guys kind of not took it for granted, but didn't really cherish those moments. Man, how did you How did you find out Brian left? And wasn't a surprise to you? No, I wasn't surprised. I think I had a feeling he was leaving, you know the way it then? I think you know we had. The thing we didn't do is we didn't take time, like I said, to

appreciate it, to to do the fun ship. You know what I'm saying. All we did was work, work, work, practice, practice, practice. You know what I'm saying, try to get to a championship, trying to get to a championship the shortest summers in the longest seasons for four straight years, and all we did was hit it, you know what I'm saying. And I think when you got when we got towards the end of it, you know what I'm saying, mentally, physically,

you know, emotionally, I think it was always Austin. You know, we didn't know how to handle that. You know, none of us have been the fourth straight finals. We didn't know what to expect, you know what I'm saying, And we just was pushing for greatness every time, and I think that warned us mentally, you know, more so than anything.

And it got to the point where, you know what I'm saying, it wasn't as enjoyable, you know what I'm saying, going to practice as it was every day because at first were playing and joking and having a good time, and then, like I said I spoke about it earlier, you started getting to that zombie mode, you know what I'm saying, where it starts to just become a routine that you following every day. You know what I'm saying that before you know it. You know, I'm saying, you're

not even enjoying this ship the way you should. M hm. Right up. How hard was it watching d Wade leave Miami. I was happy for him to do what he what he felt that he needed to do, and I was happy for him to have the opportunity to go back to Chicago and put on for the city because I've been there and I know how special that is if he could bring a championship to the city. Sad to see my brother go, you know what I'm saying, Sad

to see my brother go. We came in here together and we thought he was always gonna walk this ship to the end. You know what I'm saying, from the beginning to the end. You know what I'm saying, We're gonna do it together. And that wasn't the reality, you know what I'm saying. But as my dog, I'm gonna ride with him. I'm support him. So when he was in Chicago, people know, I don't even watch basketball, man,

because I started critiquing the ship. If I sit down to watch your basketball game, I can't watch it for fun because my mind I started saying this that third do that set the screen while he took that shot. This now I'm starting to not nine even to join the game now nine now my wheels is turning their ship, so I can't even watch basketball. When we left him, Yeah, when d we left Miami, I started watching basketball again. You know what I'm saying that was because of him,

you do. I want to back up real quick before we you know, you just spoke on d way leaving and what that meant to you and how it brought you back to watching the game to check on him. But what was it like with Chris Bosh and once his health, um, you know started kicking in, you know, Braun leaves CB, you know obviously gets the next, you know, a bigger role. But he's definitely looking forward to handle.

We had him on the show last year. I was definitely looking for that playoff matchup, hoping that the keep the Heat got a chance to play the Calves. And then he starts having these health problems. What was it

like being right there and seeing that first hand? And that ship was scary, bro, Because I was in the locker room, you know, for the game before we played the caval Liz and CB passed out you know what I'm saying, Like before the game, like his locker was next to mine and he stood up and then he just kind of failed. You know what I'm saying. You just kind of went down a little bit. You know what I'm saying. Um, people don't know like I dealt with blood cluts, you know what I'm saying. So I

know what that ship like. You know, I had a surgery, um, you know, on my foot, and I end up having blood cluss and I'm in the bed with pain like damn, I can't breathe, like something literally like stabbing me. And you know how he is, Oh, we'll be already. I go to the hospital tomorrow. Got go to the doctor to marrow. Thank god for my wife saying no, you're gonna take your head to the doctor to night. End up going to the hospital. I had blood cluss. Man, I would have never made it to the mar So

I understand. I understand like how serious that ship is. So when I heard CB had it, you know, my first natural instinct was basketball, make sure you're good. Ship them ship to take you out of here. Boy, there made nothing to play with. Mm hmm, yes, sure. And and I and I hated it for CB because that was an opportunity for him. You know what I'm saying. Once Brown left and you know, everything was going on for him to lead us, you know, and he was fully capable of it. He was fully capable of it.

You know what I'm saying. He had done it plenty of times last ship when Brown and the way he didn't play, we were fully confident that CB go step in and lead us to a win. And he did it multiple times. That's tough. So now we're current this new heat culture. Um first impression on bam and and his entry and what he brought in, how you guys bonded. Man. I just had so much respect and love for bam Man before I knew what he was at the basketball player,

because I see how he treated his mama. You know what I'm saying. I see how he treats his mama. Man. You know what I'm saying. If you come from any kind of situation where you know what I'm saying, whether he lost your mom or any kind of average circumstances or whatever, man, you just understand how a little boy just appreciate their mother. You know what I'm saying. Don't say we don't love our daddies. I deal with it

right now. My little boys love me. But they come in the room in the morning before school, the hood their mom, and they leave. I'll be laying right next to her. I'll be laying the same bed, dog, right next to the woman. Dog. They don't hug me, they don't say bye, They hunt their mama and they leave like and that's just what it is. So I understand that. Man. So my first thing with Bama, Man, how you how you love and cherish in this relationship that he has

with his mom. Man, just let me know that this is a different kind of kid. You know what I'm saying. He ain't He ain't out here spending his money. He's out here while and man, and then just he listened and he worked. You know what I'm saying. Nothing ain't nothing. I never told Bam ain't nothing. I ain't never challenged him to do that. He hasn't applied. You know what I'm saying. I spend more time with Bam probably than I do with any of my homeboys at this stage

of the game. You know what I'm saying. Everybody doing ship, everybody busy. You know, it's a pandemic man. You know, literally Bama has been you know all the next closest person to me. You know what I'm saying through all this stuff that's going on right now, so you know just the way he approaches the game. I watched him two years ago, not miss a game, you know what I'm saying, not miss a game, had all kinds of all kinds of injuries, bumps and bruises, played every single game.

You know what I'm saying. I watched his leadership, callit qualities continue to grow um and once again he's just somebody who I feel like, once my time is up, he will be the next Miami Heat guy. When you talk about the culture, when you talk about the Zos, and you talk about the d Ways, and you talk about myself, the next guy in line will be a band, will be Bend. I love to hear what was Jimmy

like once he got to the team. We had the Weight on our show and Do and d Way said that man was a perfect marriage for Jimmy, perfect perfect. I had got a chance to meet Jimmy and go out to dinner with Jimmy one time with d Way Man and just get nderstand the chance to understand Jimmy. Man. The first thing people think about Jimmy is that, oh, he listened to country music. He might he must be weird. Ain't nothing weird. Ain't not weird about Jimmy. Jimmy, listen

to it too. I'm too weird. I do too. And Jimmy want us more as any more anybody. He want us. You know what I'm saying. If you get a chance to sit down and you get a chance to chop it up with jim and you understand Jimmy, you know where you come from. Jimmy, just keep everything coach to him. He ain't wide open with his hain't or wide open with his friendship. He ain't got a lot of friends. He ain't running his mouth fire head telling all his business.

My respect that and I appreciate that, man. And what like. I tell people all the time, if you put a dog outside, he's gonna go around and go on your trash can and tell your yard up, and you're gonna come out in the morning, your ship gonna be in shambles. You put him in the kennle. When you put him in the kennle with other dogs, he's gonna make a pack and that's what he did. He came down here with us and he made a pack. Yep, just how

it looked to question. There's rumors floating around that Jimmy was selected but passed on the All Star Game because he felt Bam was more deserving than any truth to that, I could believe it. I didn't even know you could do that. But if that happened, to believe, I ain't never know. They ain't never said, they ain't never selected my ass, But I believe it. You know what I'm saying that that is the kind of dude he is. That is the kind of due he is. And I've

heard him say that before. But once again, I didn't know if that was true. If that was a room when he first came and you guys, your team got going. You know, you hear people spoke to his work ethic and he was going into two or three in the morning getting working. What kind of energy? How refreshing for you someone who works hard to this day to see another star come in new to the team, but have that kind of work ethic and and and and passion

for the game. Man, that it gave me a new life, because it gave me it gave me more opportunities and more reasons to work. You know, people don't understand like me and Jimmy got a routine that we go through, you know, before the games. Now you know, it wasn't something we did in the bubble because of the circumstances, but you know, it's something we were able to do a couple of times before the bubble, and it's something that we're able to engage in now, you know what

I'm saying. So once again, I've been reincarnated and and just reinvented myself, you know, with these new guys that's coming in and you know, the routine and me and Jimmy got it also helps me stay in shaping. It also helps me stay sharp, so you know his work ethic. And people think that I'm always pushing these guys and these guys are leaving me. But you know, sometimes it's good to be a soldier and sometimes good to be a general, you know what I'm saying. So you know

I got situations where I'm right, I'm following Jimmy. You know what I'm saying, that he leaves me and it's helping me. Last November and I'm gonna quote pat Riley said this on resigning you. His role is so critical to our for our team, besides still being able to play, UD keeps everyone together in the locker room and on the road, teaching and mentoring. I think that's it's the role he's really loved, and we're glad to decide that he decided to come back. Talk to us about your

relationship with mafia. Pat Riley, Man, the first two years I was in the NBA, I ain't even speak to pet. I ain't ever been scared, ugh, I ain't never been scared of nobody in my life. But it was an intimidation factor with a great pat. You know what I'm saying. You gotta yeah, you know what I'm saying to slick back here. You know, he dressed like money. You know what I'm saying. I ain't never had too much I ain't never had too much money. He dressed like money.

He said that motherfucker dressed like money. Yeah, he dressed like money. Bro, I ain't never had no money. Man dressed like little leather shoes on with his slacks and his belt. It was really uncomfortable, man. It took me a while to get comfortable, you know, around pat Um. But once I got comfortable, man, and it just really understood you know, who he was and what he was and I was I now I was able to understood why he was able to get the best out of the Lakers and why he was able to get the

best out of the Knicks and teams like that. One thing Pat Doode man is before he even draw a playing on the board, he created a relationship with you mentally. You know, Yeah, he running ship at you too. He reading ship at you too. Now that they don't play that ship. He ran the ship out of us, like I told you how many way the first couple of years. Was here running like a motherfucker out the first couple of years. But but he really, you know I'm saying,

he gets you to follow. He gets you to follow him mentally. You know what I'm saying. With you know all the stories that he has, You know what I'm saying. When you listen to him, he's just an abundance of years and knowledge and success in this ship. So if you want to be successful in this ship, you don't listen to somebody like that. He coached magic, he coached worthy, He coached you in He coached Kareem like he changed, Like you ain't listening. If you don't listen to Pat

fun is you're doing. But you like, especially if you're young, Like if you're older, then you might you might know something. But if you're young, you coming this ship and you don't listen to pet Rally, you're tripping opportunity. Coach Foster consistent longevity equality. What has it been like learning and growing with coaches since his early days? Oh? Man, it's been amazing. Man. I'll tell U spot this all the time. Man. One thing I've already respected about supposed that he's always

kept real and he hasn't been afraid to evolve. And I think that's one thing that we've taken from each other. I think we've evolved together. You know, we both had evolved to relate and be able to lead you know,

this next charge and this next generation. And you know, it's been great, you know, being a part of this process with spoke Man, the knowledge that I would watched him obtained over his growth process, not just basketball wise, but you know how he's been able to have truth and passion because I think the thing that a lot of NBA coaches lack and a lot of organizations lack it is true and passion for what we go through and what we deal with is basketball players as men.

You know what I'm saying. And I watched Fobi able to Yeah, And I watched Bobi able to be successful and have true and passion for the players in the locker room and the players that come through here, and a lot of people and a lot of organizations organizations don't think you can do both. They don't think you can have truth and passion and really care about these guys and have conversations with you guys and win championships. They think it's got to be one of the other.

And I think that's where a lot of organizations might go wrong. I think suppose figured out how to have truth and passion and get the best out of guys and figured out how to win. It's tough saying a lot um in an error where loyalty is rare. Kobe twenty years, you're eighteen and counting thoughts on guys like Dames Stephen Janice being able to ride their respective careers out with their team. What are your thoughts about that?

I think they should. I think those organizations owe them that you know what I'm saying, because at the end of the day, those guys could have left multiple times because at the end of the day, they ain't got their range yet, and they can say, all right, I gave you all this, This ain't it. I'm out. You know what I'm saying. You can look at y'all this situation. You know what I'm saying, how it ended last year. He could have been perfectly within his right to make

a move this year, and he didn't. So I think those organizations all those guys the opportunity to finish their careers there if they choose to. You know what I'm saying, those guys, If those guys choose to finish their career, and those organizations, whether they win or not, those guys have paid their dues and they deserve to finish those careers there. You know what I'm saying. I love Dame. I love his game, but I think he's been overrated for a long period of time. Besides him just being

solid as hell out here. You feel me, you know what I'm saying. Uh. So, you know, those guys, if they have success, so bid. But if they don't, I think those organizations have deserved to treat those guys, you know, as if they've had success, because those guys have definitely put those organizations on their backs. Absolutely, Um, we got a chance to kick it. I came out to Um, Florida for the Biden situations. We ran into each other and I was just so drawn back on your story

and your upbringing. You showed me the gas station where there is a shootout. But one thing you told me is no one would have expected you to come from where you came from. And I think we're at a community center in your hood where we were registering people to vote, encouraging people to vote, taking pictures, doing all that kind of stuff. Tell me about the full circle evolution of Udonis Haslem out from where you started and

where you are now a solid vet uh. You know the world is your oyster, as they say after you're done, But the full circle, you know you touched on the low income housing, you're involved with registering people to vote. Who is this new for or not new? But who is the evolution of Udonis Haslem at four years old? Man? Like I told you all and y'all can agree. Man Um, if one thing we know is like you know, you stay ready for your calling out here. You know what

I'm saying, look at what y'are doing. I mean, I don't know if y'all could envision I don't know if y'all could envision this, But look at what you're doing. I mean, number one do if I'm not mistaken, right y'all number one? Right? Yeah? We never? Yeah, bro, yeah, we never. I never would have loved Look that's what I'm saying, Bro. Look at what y'are doing. Man, that ship is amazing. Bro. And why y'all was playing or even maybe a couple of years after y'all finished, I

probably ain't see yourself doing this ship right now. So I would have never you know what I'm saying, imagine myself being a community leader. You know what I'm saying. I would have never imagined myself, you know, building low income housing, affordable homes in the hood. I would never imagine myself putting jobs in the hood. Um, it's just so many different things I'm working on right now, man,

and I would have never saw myself doing it. But as a true leader, you know what I'm saying, when you see when you see situations that need help, or when you see situations that need uh hand or how you can help tap in? Yeah, and you and you tap in and you do it. So I'm here in this city every day. I'm seeing me in this city every day walking around these people. Man, I don't have no security. I'm moving around these people. Man. These people show me love, man. And I see opportunities where these

people need me. And I see that where there's a need in this city. And I have the means to feel those boys in those gaps. I'm gonna do it. So for me, I have so many friends and family man that for whatever reason, they just can't find good jobs just before the pandemic. Man, we're talking about people that have made mistakes, maybe have a record. It ain't easy to go out there and get a job, man. So the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna

put you in a position to get a job. I'm not gonna give you a handout, because that's gonna cripple your grass. And at the end of the day, all you're gonna do is come back and ask promote. We all learned it. We all learned that ship the hardway. Yes, you know what I'm saying. We all learned that ship the hardway they'll be back. They might say they won't, and then they always somebody gonna pay you back. Then they're gonna somebody's gonna pay you back, knowing damn well,

they ain't gonna pay you. Yeah, you money with no job. How are you gonna I promise I got you, I got your all back. But no you ain't. No, you ain't get your ass out of here and take that with you. So I'm gonna put you in position to work, and I'm gonna see if you really want this ship. Now I'm figured out how to figure it out. I don't figure out a lot of people don't want this ship. They want me to just give them ship because I didn't give people jobs and the motherfucker worked for a

week and as you can't find them no more. So like now you see who really want to work, and who really want self improvement and who want we hand eyes. So the first thing for me, man, was to provide jobs in my community. Man. I started with the subways just because, if people know my story, I was a chubby as kid and the only thing I could get that was somewhat healthy for a chubby kid with subway, I wasn't going nowhere. I didn't have no money to go get no expencive as chicken salads and all that.

I didn't even know what that was at. You get your ninety nine cent poach Shops sandwich A Shakers, You get your ninety nine cent poach Shops sandwich that Shakers, and yeah, get your kool aid, and you might spend three dollars, But that ship ain't healthy. That's the reason why I was probably fat. So I started our subway man, and I just wanted to get involved in something that I really really like, just fun with. So I started

with subways, and I started buying subways. Man. I have about five or six subways and anti ans because a lot of them in Walmart, so you know, they got an anti ast into the subways. And that was something that I was able to do to provide jobs in my community. And the next thing was, as we get old and this ship, we started drinking a lot of coffee. So every day on my way to the gym, my asks was stopping by Starbucks. I said to myself, I

spent so much money. This motherfucker's motherfucker always loaded. Let me figure out how to somewhere own or get involved as far as franchise and these things. So I was able to partner with, you know, someone out of Miami that has the credentials to own the Starbucks. But I had the financials on the Starbucks. So UM, with that were not I'm sorry, let me let me franchise Z. You can't own the Starbucks, but you could be a franchise Z. So I was able to be a franchise

z for for a couple of Starbucks. And that was another opportunity to provide jobs. But these are all things that I eat or I was invested in personally. I didn't just go out. I ain't just go out of nowhere and say, oh, that ship looked like it to make me some money, let me do that. The next thing was Erees one Fire Kitchen. Man it was it was. It was a West Coast establishment and mend Win always

wanted to do something together. Um, so we were able to put this in this train station down here, if anybody knows anything about South Florida's train station that they just built. And we're able to start with the train station, and we have another location Aventure. And from that point on, man it developed into the low income house, and man, we all know how gentrification is. They're moving us up out the hood, man, at crazy numbers. We know we're no,

we're no explanation man. And you know some of the people they're moving, Some of the people they're moving out of these hoods, they're moving them all the way down South, Bro, Like you ain't even close to where you was before. We're talking about another We're talking about a whole hour away from where you was at. You know what I'm saying. Now, We've got people who are already dealing with transportation issues moving to get to work. Now now you're moving my

hour away. So you know, the the next step for me is electric cars and different processes like that for people in our hood to be able to get back and forth because we always a last to catch you onto some ship. But if anybody paying attention to what's going on, man, electric cars and all those things like that, those are what the future is. So for me, I want to introduce the hood to these things before it even you know what I'm saying, because we need the

last to catch you on the ship. Everything cut to us last, Everything cut to us last. But if you read about what's going on man, electric cars is where it's at. Man. Every thing it's going electric, man. So I'm gonna introduce our people to that. I ain't gonna wait for us to get to it last. That's my next project in the hood, bring electric cross to the hood, man, where we gotta wait for somebody to do it for us.

I love it. I love it. Man. Hats off to you for for not forgetting where you came from, but also, like you said, providing opportunity for people to succeed. I think it's a beautiful thing, all right, man, quick hitters. First thing that comes to mind. Let us know. Jack started off, if you have a chance to if you had a chance to a live one moment our game from your career, which one would it be and why? Ship?

If I had a chance to live one moment in my game my career would be the Michigan State game, Uh, I guess um. And in my my college the national championship against Michigan State UM two thousand, two thousand. I had an amazing game, a great individual game, UM, but we didn't win. And that was the only level I didn't win it. I won a high school championship, I won NBA Championshi, I just have not one college ship. I didn't get the college I didn't get the clean

sweet yeah friends with Rick Ross, you've collaborated. I just heard some stuff the other day with you and d weight on it, but I hadn't even there was the first time I heard. I know you guys did a long time ago, but you collab with Ross. You could pick one song to having rotation with Ross? Who would it be? M hm, we are ready already. That should go hard as hell? That's my ship. Yes, sorry, that was was that off? Mastermind? I think that was off

the Mastermind. That was off? That was off Mastermind, Rost the big homie, Ross, the big homie Man. Yes, sir, he's someone heavy in the franchise and too Yeah. Yeah man, That's what I was able to do. I was able to watch a lot of these guys, man, and I watched the way I watched Ross, I watched Braun. I even watch what you're doing. Man, I'm I'm I'm picking brains about podcast man to patch you. I don't want people put my shot on somebody else network. We're gonna

talk about something else. I ain't compete with you. It's enough room for all that was bro straight up. But I watched, I watched what y'all doing. Yeah, that ship motivated man. I'm not I'm always I'm always motivated by other brothers. Man, I ain't intimidated. And some people sit around and hurt on the motherfucker about what the motherfucker doing and should motivated me. Brothers win Man, Yes, sir, yes, hey, yeah,

that ship motivated me. Bro s here we go, you plus you plus four going to the park to own the court, blacktop, you plus four? Who you bringing with you? NBA players, my homeboys, whoever you're going. You're going to town. You might have to fight, you might have to shoot, you might have to hoop. You never know what I'm bringing. I'm I'm bringing. I'm bringing the way with me. Okay, I'm bringing the way, my first one, the second one,

my second one. Man. Steve Blake. People don't sa people don't know Steve Blake with the High School with me, Steve Blake with high from the hood. Yeah, I'm taking Yeah, I'm bringing Steve Blake with me. That used to be used, that used to be my Laker smoking buddies. I don't mean to put this business out there, but that's my long step. Hey, Steve Blake was cool as a motherfucker man, like a real man. Yes, like a real one. Man. The Wade the next one I'm going with. We might

have to fight, but we gotta get a win. Huh. I'm going with I'm going with Shot. I can't go that way without Shot. I gotta take picture because I've seen. Listen, big fella, catch you with one of them, hey, making jas out accident on accident. Yeah, listen, listen, if we fell at you with one of the motherfucker's, you're going to sleep for shore for sure. And my next one, man,

it's tough. I gotta go with see now, this is where I got my issues at, my my goat when I grew up on m J. But yeah, I can't. I don't know if he I don't know if you need to go forever because these motherfucker's can go. But I'm taking MJ right now. I'm gonna take the MJ with me. I'm gonna take an MJ with me. That's my go too. But these but but I'm not finished. These motherfucker's out here right now. These motherfucker's can go on his ass. They on his ass Brian and Brian,

you know, and somebody else's era. Bron might be to go. MJ did go to my era, need to go to my era. But the greatest play in league right now, obviously it's Bron. But these motherfucker's is coming. Yeah, facts who would be on your Miami Heat all time starting five? And would be you who would be a six man? Don't be afraid to put yourself in that motherfucker. I'm gonna after I don't put myself and I'm in that

motherfucker first. People gotta look at my numbers when listen, when the Way and the motherfucker's weren't playing, I might have averaged twenty. I was getting my ship off when they was out, when CB came, when c When CB came and we had another option when d Way and Brian was out, that my whole ship up. But we bran with the Way Brian and before CBO came, I used to get my ship off, man. So I'm definitely putting myself in there. I gotta go with the Way again.

I gotta go with the Way again. Man. I'm gonna go with Mario as my six man man because Mario Chalmers man just Mario. People don't understand mario biggest strength was the fact that he thought it should have been the big folk. He he thought, you can't tell him you can you can't tell him ship and that, and that made Mario great for us man, because Mario took and made Mario took and made big fucking shots for us. He always had ever since college, He's always he's always

stepped up big games. I got a chance to play with him in Memphis too. I fuck Rial heavy man, I was. I was sad he got hurt. Man. He actually had some success out there before he got hurt. Yeah, so so so who's your five? So you got you Rio d Wade, Yeah, Rio coming off my bench, Merio everyway, Rio coming out of my bench. Broun Yeah, I gotta go. I gotta go, ship Man, I gotta gonna ceeb CB braun shack you d way scary. Yeah, I gotta I

gotta go with that man. Five dinner guests, dead or alive, Ship Pop, Biggie, Them boys got them boys got to come with me. I definitely got to see them boys pop big oh man, um god damn yeah, my hole boy, Chip, my home, my homeboy, My homeboy Chip. God bless it did my homeboy Chip. He never he never, he never, he never had a chance to see this side. Man. He was locked up and when he when he got out. Man, I was in the NBA. He came to one game and not too much later that he ended up getting killed.

Um So, my homeboy Chip, if he could come to dinner with me, that would be amazing. Big Chi, Yeah, big pop Chip. Uh, I gotta throw a great one in there. Man. I go back and forth depending on what kind of mood I'm man, Malcolm, my depend on depending on what mood man boy, I'll be backing one day and the next day I be like a motherfucker today to day our Malcolm Michael code to take up last Today, I gotta take a queen. You know what. I'm gonna take my mama. Man, come on, we'll take

my mama. I'm gonna take my mom. That's the peace moms man for be a good dinner. Yeah for sure. She might want to cook it s you know that's gonna it's uh yeah yeah, all right. Last question, who do you want to see on all the smoke? But you have to help us with your answer. Ship one of your formers. It's one of your former teammates who already want and we already had d Weight and we already had boss. Yeah, Jackie, see how I laid that

went out there? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. Listen, Yeah, damn, well look well we look not not not only that at it could be somebody on your team now who we haven't had mm hmmm now that you know we need on the show. Yeah, there's a couple of you have a couple of dudes on your team now, a couple of dudes you play with with the Big Three, or what dude you play with the Big Three? There's there's some lists. If I say now, if I say now, if I say now, you gotta go, you gotta go

with you gotta go with Jimmy. We know you gotta go. You gotta go with Jimmy. All Jimmy is the only person. But no, actually I'm lying. Jimmy and Kyrie. I talked to them more than anybody on n NBA, damn the every day and they're the only ones. Ain't been He ain't he ain't doing and listen, he ain't doing nothing but drinking wine, drinking one and trying to charge the motherfucker hunting on a couple of coffee. Sure, mothers Hey, motherfucker's paying that hunted dollars for that coffee. I'm been

there working with his ass. Don't gett my shirt on the house. He's gonna chease me how to make this ship. Yeah yeah, Jimmy man, Jimmy, you definitely got to get Jimmy man. Sir, you'll see the practice tomorrow. I would love for you to have Mike mill on your show. Yeah, I would love you to have Jackson event Mike. Great girl, good shout out. That's my guy, that's my guy. Well you do, man, We appreciate your time. Best to luck. I know you're gonna be great regardless, but we appreciate you,

man and uh man, keep doing what you do. Appreciate you. Appreciate you all boys for having that. Man. I love it. Love everything y'all doing. Man, Keep pushing them with a little homie. Keep leaving away. Bro. We're living through you, bro for sure. For show. We're gonna keep doing. And I'm living with y'all in that aspect too, man. So we're gonna link. We're gonna link. You know what it is? All love homie. Appreciate you all man for life. You

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