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Welcome back all the smoke man excited about today's guest. Uh got to meet him before he hit and now he is a hit. You've been on him before you start. You put a lot of people on. You put me on, and really, I mean with the show, A lot of people even on our staff didn't all watch.
And I think a lot of people around the world was pushing that start saying after you brought your name up, man, when y'all getting him on the show. So shout out to Matt for really really pushing for you.
Yeah Man, without further ado, Man, welcome to the show, Simba, appreciate.
You, Broth.
Pleasure to be here with you that, you know, man, like like Stack was saying, bro you it was very very early in the career. You know, I came to the crib and you know, we had some food and we kicked it and got to play some music. Yeah, and then you know, he came by the studio when I first got my deal, Like the first song, first two songs I put out, I played him for you in a room full of people before the world even heard him. So it's always a pleasure.
Brom I appreciate you, but let's get to this shit because we have some good energy. Yeah, Kobe, Kobe, mike Lebron rank him.
Okay, I'm going to go Kobe one m M. That's my all time personal favorite. Kobe Brant is the reason I played high school basketball and thought I had a chance to make it to the NBA till I ran in the Niggas y'all hip. So Kobe's my number one. Number two, I gotta go with Bron. Brian is my second favorite of all time, just because I feel like he played a game from every position. Brown could play every position from the one of the five. He could be the GM, he could be the coach, you know
what I mean. Like he could be the defensive guy. He could do it all. So that's my favorite. And uh, number three, I'm gonna go with Alan Iverson. Oh, I'm gonna go with Alan Iverson. This is my personal know, my personal list, just because Alan Iverson has so much cultural impact on me as a kid.
All of them.
I didn't really grow up wanting to be like Mike. I wanted to be like a Yi, you know what I mean. So that's that's my top three. What year were you born nineteen ninety Yeah, right.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, we just I think people would be up in arms but with your list. But at the same time, like we have to we only know what we know, you know what I mean.
We can go back and.
See, but until you really see it, Like it's hard for me to judge what happened back in the sixties and the fifties, Like it's hard for me to judge, you know what I mean. With all due respect to those players, So you on in the nineties, you know, Mike's run was.
Like I lived with them players, Like Mike was something my uncles talked about and everybody told me about. But it's like I didn't live through the mic there, you know what I mean. I didn't watch games on T and T of Mike like I'll watched Ai, Kobe and Lebrun.
You just knew the shoes was fresh.
Yeah, you know, everybody wanted to mic you know what I mean, Like we had to have some jays on like you know what I mean. But as a player, it was my favorite three right there.
Yeah, yeah, I ain't mad at that. Uh man, how's life just really? You know, recently released results take time Yeah, some heavy features on their pusher two chains. Uh, Roddy, what was that experience like? And what's life like right now?
Man? Making the project was dope because it was, like, you know, I always grew up watching a lot of interviews trying to get information on how to get to where I was trying to go. So I never me personally when I listened to a lot of rappers, they don't never tell the other side of success sometimes, you
know what I mean. We always talk about the cars, the party in and like a few struggles that we didn't been through to get where we're at, But we don't really talk about the program directors who didn't play your record and certain shows you couldn't get on because you know, you didn't have a big enough fan base. So I wanted to approach this project to give people who's in that space to like trying to figure their career out, like the motivation to keep going. And that's
what Results Take Time was about. And every feature that's on there is like a product or Results Take Time. If you listen to Roddy verse, me and Roddy kind of got a relationship. I mean, you had we knew each other before everything took off same thing with two chains, you know what I mean. So it was people who was a part of my come up and I got to see them go up as well. And as far as life, bro this shit.
Lit straight up on everything you thought it would be.
No, I'm not gonna say that because I feel like sometimes we have it like a perception of what our dreams look like in our mind and we get there and it don't look like that, you know what I mean, Like it's it's what you thought, but it's in.
A different way.
I was just telling one of my homegirls on the way over here because I'm going on tour Friday, and I was like, man, I really don't even know if I want to go, like cause I just got this new studio. I'm trying to make new music, right, I'm in a whole nother mold. But then I have to think about it, like, man, I used to dream to just make some money off music, dude, you know what I mean, pay my bills. It's like, why would I not go right, you know what I mean? Like, this
is all our work force. So I'm finna go hit this road for the next month and half. Where you at it everywhere. We are twenty four cities from New York, Philly, Houston, Vegas, LA, We everywhere, Virginia, everywhere.
What's up?
Reckingging by the Who's Who? The lebron shacked Doctor Dre. Your freestyles really resonate. My personal favorite was the one you did on funk Flex with your Tupac Shit.
What does that mean to you?
To be recognized by the names I listed and then any conversations or friendships grow from those type from those people.
Definitely. I just ran in the Drada the other night. We was actually in the same restaurant. We were just talking about Lincoln back up. But that should be validation. Bro. It's just like when you get in the league, you know what I mean, remember your first game and you looking at somebody used to watch, like, damn, I'm really guarders. You know what I'm saying. It's it's the same feeling.
So it's validation, but it's also like motivation to just keep going because you see how far they went and it's like I don't never want to be the the rapper that like could have did this, could have been that could took it this far. It's like I'm trying to actually go that far. So a lot of my process these days is like taking my time. Like I ain't really moving with social media. I'm kind of moving to the beat of my own drum because I could rush some shit and fuck everything up, and I ain't
trying to do that right now. So it's just everything I'm doing right now, it's just like strategic and taking my time with it to just master before I offer it to the world.
Your upbringing, yeah, talk about that. You moved around a lot.
Yeah, grew up in the Bay from the Bay, was born in the Bay. And you know my mom, my mom was like a female me or I'm like a male her, you know what I'm saying. But she moved around. My mom was a hustler. She did a lot, and she got into real estate. And when she jumped into real estate, she just started like copping cribs at different places, Vegas and you know, Texas, just all these different places, and we were moving around and being a key. All I knew was the Bay areas. All I know is
my culture. So I'm going into these other cultures just like popping my collars, like trying to pimp and shit, you know.
What I mean.
Doing shit I had no business doing, you know what I mean. But it taught me, like everybody don't move like this, you know what I mean. Like it's different cultures. Like you go to the South, you see you know, strippers, chicken wings and niggas getting fly all day. You know what I mean. Like you come to the Bay, we just hustling. You got a white T shirt, blue jeans, as long as your kicks fresh, and you get in to the bag. You got a car, you straight, you
know what I mean. So moving around seeing like different things of like what the world got to offer open my mind or you know what I mean. And that's why my music's so broad, because I tried to speak to different audiences other than the demographic I come from.
You who you balled out in your teenage years talking about being the d one hooper.
Yeah, and I ain't go d one Oh. I got caught chee no man say team. That's what happens why I started rapping. Okay, I got I got this theory though, like most niggas who raped didn't make it to the league because you like you talk too much shit about making it to the least. It's like I can't go Getty story man, Broh.
So I didn't pass SATs either. I thought it like nine times my niggas, So I feel you.
I had a similar situation. It's just somebody extra in the house and the person who brought the test wasn't paying attention like that, so he has to turn around and I was caught. So I ain't past clearing house rules, right. So they wanted me to go to a j C. And I was like, I didn't talk too much ship to go to the thirteenth grade, you know, like everybody from my high school friend to go to this junior college. I didn't talk too much ship. I can't do it.
So I started rapping, bro like that's how.
I became a rapper for just not for everybody.
I couldn't do it, bron, I talked too much hoop ship, and it was like, I gotta go do something else.
And the GQ you talk about the fight with your basketball coach.
Yeah, uh, so I had a coach. He played for the Lakers. I think he had like a ten day in the eighties or something like, what name rich It's rich or Rick Mixing. I'm gonna look that up, rich Mixing Mixing. Yeah, but he was one of them coaches that was like, I feel like he just had this like extra ego because he was like the first coach the school had that like actually played in the league, you know what I mean. So he came in with just like this cockiness on him. So one day we
in practice and he just starts singling me out. He just liked it because I used to love to dunk. I always just go for the dunk, no matter where I'm trying to dunk on somebody, right because I was hell athletics, and he'd just be like it, this game is not about athletics and jumping and you gotta be a skit. So I'm just feeling like he's singing with
me out, you know what i mean. So we getting to this argument there and I'm just like fucking, I'm I quit, you know what I'm saying, like I ain't coming back, but I'm doing it to try to get him to be like no, no, no, no, no, hold on, he ain't say that. He ain't say that. So I had to stand on it. I stand on it, and you know, that was the end of my high.
School basketball around. That was it.
It was over. I got into with two different coaches him and it was another one called Eric Bamberger, and I quit because I was Bamberger bam Burger.
I was.
I was about to play varsity my freshman year. He brought me up to me and him got into it, and I was like, I ain't gonna play next year, like trying to get the same reaction being dumb. It ain't work, bro.
So that was you know, you gotta throw that tactic away.
I've been through that. I left, I left that one. I left that one. In high school. I started listening ship and sixty first, there he is, Okay, there he is coach.
He was. He couldn't talk no ship to nobody was trading.
He was talking that ship stack. He was talking that ship.
Like I slapped a couple of coaches talking ship. Yeah.
And he was one that was like a try to get on the court and play you too, Like I.
Definitely would have slapped the nigga getting drafted one hundred ninety seven.
I definitely slap your head. Who would you compare your game to?
I was like Alane Stevenson. I was like.
Dance one of the funniest I ever had in my whole life. We were traded for each other one year and somehow he ended up I'm back on my team.
Yeah, it was crazy.
That's the type of player.
Last I fuck with Last shout out Last. Yeah.
I related the lance a lot because it's like I feel like we the type of players to where it's like our game come from our energy, Like we get fewer from what's going on in the game, you know what I mean. So talking shit and tagonizing somebody, you know what I mean? It just bring that that spark out. You Warriors fan, yep, I was there for than we believe. They talk about it that. You probably don't even remember this, and I'm a finer. I think I showed you this
picture before. Remember the year when they honored y'all. I think it was like twenty sixteen and the Warriors was playing the Jazz.
It was seventeen seventeen. I went back to the Warriors.
Yeah, twenty seventeen, Remember they honored do we believe team in playoffs?
Media? Yeah?
Remember that night? It was j Rich, it was you, it was uh, it was two more. But I was in the car with y'all. We was freestyling and we went to San Francisco that night got.
That's we was burnt that night he was there.
Yeah, we was in the car freestyling word. Yeah that night. That night they got love, but no, I grew up with holol.
Please do you remember Bead? How was his verse?
You know? BD got that? Yeah, Old Bed got that cool ass. I'm coming through, folks, So you know I'm getting close. All was small. He come through it, that laid back ass. I'm too cool to wrap, but I love to rap around.
I'm too cool to rap. I can tell you this.
Baron Davis has the most unreleased music.
Any human being.
Hear ten songs together, and none of them, not one one. He called me one day. We got this little called Sweet. He like, yeah, I just wrote the treatment, but you know, I'm thinking about shooting a video. I gotta run to do something for T and T. And then I got this Hulu show I'm working on and me and what's the other dude? The hoop? What's the hoop?
Dude?
On Instagram? Beat Out? Beat Out and beat Out? I got a show were doing, so when I get back, we go shoot the video?
All right?
BD?
Hey BD, It's just he's one of the most If you need an idea, sit down and talk to him for ten fifteen minutes. He's gonna give you twenty ideas, and I guarantee you one of them gonna work.
So I'm gonna he.
Might not be the guy to get it done. You might have to go off on youall execution, but he gonna come up with it.
For sure. Shut out to B.
Yes, Sir, my brother b D What did that we believe time mean to the to the Bay in particular?
Man, it was so turned bro, because it was like always say, like when like Stephan them came like after Monte left. It was like a new culture that came in. But I felt like it represented a different side of the Bay, Like it represented like more like the Silicon Valleys and like you know what I mean, y'all five was the Filmo five y'all represented. Yeah, y'all represented Bay Area culture, you know what I mean? Like BD Dunkan
pulling the jersey up, you know what I'm saying. Like it was just that's that's how we was in the base. So it's like being a kid getting to go to some of those games, bro and then seeing y'all win that first round, you know what I mean? Versus the Mavericks like it made the city just feel like shit. We could win too. Anything we want to do, we could win at it. Like I remember going to twenty four our fitness just going on a run when y'all want I was doing crazy on my teeth.
Yeah, some of the dopest shit though for me. I remember we used to be we used to play games. We uhould go out rose and we in the club. It is our whole team. But all everybody who got the tree in the city, they all with us.
So we didn't pay the tree. Not one time. I got like two three ounces a night. Yeah, all smoking in the club a bottle I'm talking about. She was unreal.
They all fight, Yeah, when they take care of you.
I remember how you not to cut you off the I remember how it used to be, like when the like the Raiders in the in the forty nine would happen to be like if we go to the city and they would be in the club first you would see everyone in their section, and then our team would come in.
And what happened, Jack, everybody's the whole the war. Ye come and this is where it's real.
It was back in the JaMarcus Russell days. When he kept getting hit for his ship. It was during them, Mars Russell. I want to hear his I want to see what happened to him. That's my boy, man, I want to hear what happened.
We need you biggest.
He's sports one of us fail ever, it's unfortunately he was so good man and then this.
This is why I have sympathy for him, because I'm a I fuck with the serve hard. I had I o D twice while I got in the leaguefore I turned eighteen, I d twice, So I know what he could do, you know what I'm saying. So I hate that because it could have happened to me early. You know what I'm saying, because I grew up around it. You know what I'm saying. So I just hate that. What that was the determining factor for him to not be playing football Atimore?
Stack, I hear you facts. I'm just saying I hate it.
But I don't know about that, man, because if you JaMarcus Russ.
Was number one, right, yeah, number one pick?
Number one pick?
What pick was you Stack? Second to last?
You had a reason to be slippings and servin. You was stressed out, brother, You had a reason this nigga was number one broke dig. You're right, he didn't have no business sipping those serve broke dig no business. I can't out with that one.
Dig. I feel you on that, I feel I feel you.
Second the last you stress it ship going on? If I'm gonna make it listening to know he won? Yeah, man, come on the hell up? Come on man, you get him on the show. We need to get markets on the show. I want to watch that episode. Bring your ass on the show, JaMarcus. We want to hear from.
You music scene growing up in the Bay. Yeah, it's his own world. You know, you grew up in the Hyphi era, but obviously the tradition of pod to forty the short the list goes on hieroglyphics, mac Ma, What was that like for you and who did you gravitate to as a youngster.
Man in the Bay I was a big E forty fan too short of course, But the person that I was like a fan of outside of the music was mac Dre. Like mac Dre was like the first time I've seen a Bay Area rapper like really brand himself, Like the Heifhei movement is mac Dre. It's everything, Mack Dre and bodies. You know what I'm saying. But growing up, like I said, with my mom, I moved around a lot. So through moving around a lot, I would be hearing jay Z's over here, Lil Wayne's and I just fell
in love with different type of music. So great music is my influence. I don't just have like one influence. Like Mac mal influenced me, you know what I mean with songs he may keep the Sneak influenced me. Zero from Houston influenced me, boom p. You know what I'm saying. Out in New York. He influenced Murder Mook influenced me. When I watching battle rap like it's just great shit is what I'm influenced by.
E Stevenson too. Man with Earl Stevens the collection, shout I ever see her everybody on the set forty Yeah, you blessed me with all his sparkling wines, all his we got twenty different wines and.
The staff was able to you and Doug and down. Yeah, so you blessed. Shout out to Earl Stevenson.
I need some goon on the spoon or going with now, Earl Steves.
I'all gonna get his wine and he got that tequila into and he got that Yeah, so he got it all.
Yeah, that's your plug commercial.
What is it like growing up analyzing these people and then being shouldered to shoulder with him?
See it be cool? Will motherfucker's be like? Y'all right? I grew up watching y'all Doctor Dre. Everything I thought Doctor Dre is is more than what I thought, you know what I'm saying. But some of these motherfuckers gross, Like I thought they were something totally different, and then you meet them and it be like, oh, this motherfucker's batshit crazy, you know what I'm saying. Like I don't even want to be around you, Like like I don't want to take a picture with you. I don't even
want people to know I met you. How about that? You know what I mean? And it was once upon a time I wanted to meet you. So it's a fifty to fifty thing because everybody ain't who they say they is, right, you know, And you realize that as you go and it's not to be uh spoken down upon. People got their own things they go through. It's just me personally, I don't like to be around it. So I rock with who, I rock with you, right, Yeah? And when I don't, you know, rock with somebody, I
keep my distance. I ain't going under the bridge. It's somewhere to say that wrong orders, just say you do what you do. I'm gonna do what I do.
We had another barrier product or brother yours the Russell.
Yeah.
We went to the Pergola. Yeah, shut out the Pergola. Yeah, almost cafe. We was in Valley. Joe Potato.
I just seen him last night, which is crazy.
Talk about you guys, relationship and and and obviously your paths being signed to a major and everything he's pushing. He's on this independent path, is telling his story now, but talk about just your relationship and in the way he's moving.
Definitely. We were just together last night. We actually got a song that's about to come out that I've never even told no one, But you got a new song coming out. It's called one Hell Level Feeling.
Yeah.
But yeah, we got a very unique relationship because we want the same thing, but we go about it two different ways. And that's okay, you know what I mean me personally, Like I always tell him, I never was great at assembling teams, right, He's somebody that's very good at that. So I could never assemble the right team around me to like flourish independently. I needed people at a higher level to kind of like show me the ropes and like introduce me to people that can help me get it right.
He not to cut you off. He introduced that's as like seventeen eighteen people on every one of them had a job. Yeah, this is the song. So this is the song. I was like, you call the home. He's got a job like that. Shit is incredible, but go ahead.
Nah.
And that's like something he I tell him all the time, like he's scared special. Yeah it's a skill, you know what I mean. I'm more of a firecracker. So it's like I ain't got patience. Like he got a lot more patience than me. So it's like if somebody fucking what time, I'm like, fuck this motherfucker, I'm going to
I'm do it myself. So me personally, I like the major approach more because with the major approach, not only do you get more resources, you get a lot more opportunity, you know what I mean, to do things and you're getting your money up front, you know, So it's like versus independent. Full of Russia is different because, like I say, he is simple to team. But for the average independent artists who are trying to that shit is difficult, you
know what I mean. You be doing a lot of work to just make fifteen hundred dollars or something like this, And I respect the work that goes into it. But for me personally, I'm finna go get this half a meal for a couple of projects. You know what I'm saying, Give them what they want and come back and get some more, you know what I mean. That's just my way of doing things. So shout out to bro Man because I truly like saluting in his path because that's a tough journey.
Stage name symbol. How did that come up? I come about? How you think? Yep?
That's my favorite movie.
That's your favorite movie.
That's my favorite movie as a kid, and all my cousins in the neighborhood, my family just all will call me little symbol, a little simble little symbol. So when I started rapping, it just stuck with me.
Easy. That's something your favorite rapper? Hole? Yeah?
How oh that nigga? Like the pops I never had? You know what I'm saying like he was just like telling motherfuckers like about LLC's and you know, how to start a business, how to put your money into certain things, just early and being a cool person like that has influence that you want to be. You naturally want to
listen to somebody like that. A lot of people be telling you shit and it's like they ain't even done this shit they telling you to do right, you know what I mean, This somebody that really didn't done it and explaining like back to us, like hey, this is how.
You do it.
Change is cool to cop the most important as lawyer fees like you know what I mean, Like he was teaching us this early. So I just grew up like wanting to, like in my music, like be informative that way, like give people game, because it's like, don't just telling motherfucker Like I think like Nip said that if you're sharing your success and not your struggle, you was a fool. You start to look like food, you know what I mean, Like it's I never been I want to just brag
about my success. I'd rather tell somebody how I got here so they could get here as well.
Right, That's how it's supposed to be speaking of that along that journey, Like who gave you that confidence? Like the russ will say, I didn't make it here, I've told your souls and keep going. There's always somebody that like I Olgi that told you, Bro, keep going staut of line, I mean styut of trouble. You got it, You're gonna make it one day. You had anybody like that coming up that you can that you remember.
Shit my mom for sure.
Shit.
But mostly like the music, Bro, like listening the whole listening to Wayne, seeing people out know doing it, you know what I mean. I watch Roddy like take over the world in like six months, you know what I mean. Nick was like the first big artist I ever worked with. Like he just invited me to his studio and went up there and I'm just looking at the books on the wall. He like, take a book. He give me in my camera, man, this book betweeny two Immutable Laws
of Brandy. You know what I mean. That started making me look at myself as a product, not just a person. So all these little things play a part. Doing a show with ten people and somebody coming up, like Bro, I cried to that song. You know what I mean, keep going, like, don't ever give up. It's like that one person turn to three, three, turn a nine, nine, turn to eighteen, Like it's just a matter continuing to continuing to do the shit.
Keep inspiring. Twenty nineteen, you signed with Atlanta Records. Yeah, how did that opportunity come about?
Man? I was in the studio. I was freestyling on Instagram for a while and Donny Meadows, who I'm actually signed to on my production company, he had hit me in one of my Homies casts and he was like, Dallas Dallas Morton over at Atlantic is having an ox core party. Y'all should go through there. So Dallas party. Dallas used to throw these parties at the Warner office where he had let people pull up and they jump on the ox you know what I mean. And whoever
got some good shit? You ended up going to New York for a meeting, you know, And that's what happened for me. So I pulled up and everybody was just sitting there playing the same shit, you know what I mean, Like everybody had the same music, and I just set in it back. I ain't say nothing, And then Dallas looked at me, like, can't you be rapping on Instagram. I'm like, yeah, like play some music. Play some music. Three days later we was going to New York to
meet Julie Craig and Kaiser Shit. About a few weeks later, the deal was done.
Mmmm, that's dope. Product set itself. Yeah, shout out to Dallas the homie. Yeah, man sell itself.
In the midst of the pandemic.
You dropped, don't run from rap, responsibilities and principles. Yeah, talk about that was what was the feeling in the mindset you was in. So the whole lot going on.
Yeah, the whole concept with that project was like I was in this space where I didn't really know who I wanted to be as an artist, right, and like when you want to come up sometime I was like, sometimes you get influenced in it. Sometimes you just start copying motherfuckers, you know what I mean, Like you start doing with other people doing it because you see them winning,
so you trying to do it. So I was at this point where I was just doing anything, and I was sitting with my homie one day and we was listening to like a bunch of different music. He was like, bro, like which one are you? And I was like, Bro, I love the rap, but this was people like to hear. He was like, man, don't run from rap. He was like, that's what you're good at, bro, don't run from rap. And that's when I just stopped doing everything and just focused on being a good rapper that can make good
rap songs. And that was, you know, that phase of my life. But Don't Run from Rap was like becoming a rapper again and watching them documentaries and getting expired again and just writing raps every day.
What's that process like to write a song? For you?
So for me, it's different every time. Like songs for me is like moments. So it's like most of my songs come from just like moving around in life. So it's like I'll just be walking around, I hear somebody say something, I write it in my phone right or I think of something, put it on my phone, and I'll be in the studio here be pull that up, look at it like, oh shit, just work here. That
end up becoming a song. Sometimes I'm drunkn shit off costamigos, and that shit just come right out in ten minutes, you know what I mean. It's just two verses just right up, right up out of there, you know what I mean? Hook everything, So it changes, it changes here and there, but for the most part, it is a lot of me going through life.
Can you speak to your preference of in person versus over having to send it?
Yeah, it depends who how much?
How much it is, not how much.
Not how much.
Let me give your example.
You like working with people and getting that vibe in the studio, right, yeah, the bad crazy man. But I really ain't got time to sit that shit over. Yeah that's my point. Yeah, that's my point saying that ship.
It's like sometimes he ain't got time to link it with him. And then sometimes some people work better by themselves. Everybody don't work good together, you know what I mean. So it's like you might be doing something that's throwing him off, or he could be doing something to throw you off. But when you got good chemistry, it's nothing like it, you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's nothing like when you got good chemistry, like me and dre b in the studio, Like we ain't made
one bad song. You just got good fucking chemistry. I come in to beat, gonna be hard every time, So I'm gonna say some hard shit every time, but it's sometimes you in there and it's just like like pulling teeth, like you don't know what to do.
Who's been that? I mean, it could be the person you just mentioned. Who's who's kind of left you in awe. After working with him for the first time.
Kanye Kanye, I had to opportunity to go to the Mercedes ben Stadium when they was working on Donda living in the stadium, and I never seen nobody like orchestraight so much shit at one time, Like this motherfucker.
Bro.
He'd be over here designing a house with some people, right and it's like a million dollars worth of Balenciaga on the floor, Like he designing this and this for this fashion show, coming out of that room, jumping in the room to go lay a verse over here, lay the verse in the hook, come up out of there, go to the field where they doing choreography for the
show that's coming up. He telling changing this, take the lights out, just everything, just all in one, and it was like I was just watching him, like God the fuck he got all his energy to do this, you know what I mean? Like he being a rapper, the signer.
Year the highest level all at once.
Though, you know what I mean. He had come in rap on the he coming went up. He came in on the phone like this, boom. You know you got the voice memo. He on the voice memo, start rapping some shit.
Boom, he dropped the phone.
Y'all make that work. That motherfucker was busting.
That's crazy.
Came back. The whole song was done. Beat change. He'd do a song, bro, and take his vocal and send it to eighty different producers, and he'd like one part of this producer thing and one part of this one. He'd just start connecting shit and just bringing this here, moving this and change. It's like, I'm mother fucker genius.
Bro.
That was the one time I was like, god damn, Like I was amazed. I was amazed, And it takes a lot to amaze me. I didn't been in the lab with some of them boys, and I'm like, oh, I got him. But that day I had to sit my ass down. I had to sit down and see what was going on.
If you had a three joint album to produce with any artist pastor present, what three artists are you choosing?
One whole, two future?
Three Thames Tams she tough this you cannot die.
Uh speaking to Jay, your favorite artist, You got a chance to meet him, talk to him at all?
Jay? Hell no, Bro, I went to the Grammys. Bro, I'm in there. You know the whole day. I'm like, today gonna be today. I'm about the meeting today. I called my mom. I'm on the way to the ground. I'm a meeting today. I'm on the red carpet and I get in there. They like, yeah, jay Z and Beyonce's late. I'm my god, damn right, So I'm in there. Watch I'm moving around. So they get ready to do the guy did performance all or whatever. So I'm thinking
they about to do a live in person right. So when I seen the video come up with a prison, I said, damn, he gone. They ain't meeting. I thought I was gonna meet him at the Grammys. But I ain't never met him yet. Man, I can't wait for that day.
What's gonna happen for sure?
From your point of view, why does sports and music go in and.
Man? Because it is the music motivate the sport, you know what I mean. Music motivate us in the gym, to motivate us to go work. Out, you know what I mean, and motivate us to just push harder. And just as athletes, we all got a competitive drive right the same way as rappers we competitive. So it's like a sport, you know, Rappers like a sport, just like
hoop is a sport. The football is a sport. So that competitive the nature just wanting to be the best in something, you know what I mean, having to get up and go grind and work for that. Music fuels that, you know what I mean. It helps you get up and go do that. So I think it go hand in hand for those reasons. What would you say?
I mean? I mean, I agree.
I think for me, music is just basically explained, like I can listen to certain albums and that'd be like the soundtrack of my life.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like I've heard a lot of albums that I can correlate to, you know what I'm saying. So it feels like even like songs when I've been successful, it's a certain song I want to play, you know what I'm saying, that will take me and make me emotional or make me appreciate where I've been. So music is a big part of it because you know they tell they tell stories that you can't tell yourself.
You know what I'm saying, y'all can.
Y'all can articulate and put and put and put stuff together where people can understand it, where we can even understand it. We can live something and go through something, but somebody will rapping and put together like yep, that's yep. I wish I could have put it like that, you know what I'm saying. So you're exactly right. They go hand and in.
Nah, and it's the same thing. We're raped because it's like when we were in the studio, we watching sports, you know what I mean, like and we all dreamed about doing one of them two things, you know, playing sports or making music one of the others. So it's like that shit be motivating, bro, like both sides to go together.
I know.
It was a good feeling to get that call from Braun to be on Space Jam two soundtrack.
Bron ain't actually called me.
I mean, but you know that's that's still coming from it.
Played a part though with him with him posting the thing. Actually how it happened was Donny Meadows. Due to I mentioned earlier, he hit me and was like, Yo, they working on this song with John Legend and Chance the Rapper. They can't figure out a hook. They was trying to see, you can come over there and write a hook. So I went over there, did the hook like shit ten minutes. I was already fired up that day, you know what
I mean, vibbing you know what I mean. Came through there, knocked the hook out, and then they was like, man, you as well try to do a verse, you know what I mean, try to knock out a verse. When there knocked the verse out, they actually ended up cutting my verse short. It was a little longer, but it was too personal whatever.
He took it out, but too hard. Yeah, I was.
Not wasn't too hard. I was really kind of big enough bron for posting me, you know what I mean. And they was like, you know, it kind of go too much with the movie and everything. So but he knocked it out.
Bro.
But I actually met him at the Red Carpet. That was the first time we actually met. And then he came to my show. I did a show at the Roxy in August. Him and Draymond came. He brought Savannah and everything. So it was dope, bro, like he always d and me like when I'm posting shit like keep going, like I'd be like appreciate you.
Like that's one thing about him. Like that's why I said he did go for me for different reasons.
Yeah, he do shit.
Mike would never and you know, like the fact like a basketball players too though, like on some ship, I always say this, he did something that every basketball player that came along tried to do, and nobody got it right. He brought his homies put them in place to win, just just as what they really winning, really winning.
That's the hardest ship in the world.
Man, Nobody I got it wrong. Everybody I know that that brought their homies along got it wrong.
It's the hardest ship. Why do y'all think that's so hard? Let's talk about it.
Because you gotta find niggas that want more for themselves just as much as you want for them, you know what I'm saying.
And that and they was.
They was willing to go to school, They was willing to learn their craft to be in positions that he wanted them in. Most people want you to do it form then you got money, so you just just make it happen for me.
To work for it. Just buy it. It don't work like that, you know what I'm saying. Them niggas was willing to work and put in that work and look at.
Them now, and and then some people act like they're you or you're they're the star or the person that's bringing them along. So I just think a lot of different things. Ship plays into that. But it's unfortunate. But there's a very few people that could say, like I really brought the homies along.
That's why I said, Like we was talking about Larussell, I was like I saluted him because it's like that was my dream to like bring all my homies. But it's like the problem I had coming up was like a lot of my homies wrapped too, you know what I mean. So it was like when they would try to convert to be a manager role or a different role, it's like they secretly still want to be the rapper, right, you know. So it's hard to kind of make that work.
To many cooks in the kitchen.
Yeah, So it's it was real tough for me to try to do that as well. That's why I reached out and got outsource help.
No, like you said, there's different routes.
But obviously, I feel like his route is going to be that much more special when he made Obviously it's special when you make it, but when when he has this whole team with him, it's just like, that's what you kind of because you hear the hew cutthroat and dangerous the business and shady the businesses at time, not everybody, but at times. But he's gonna have his own his family around him, you know what I mean. So definitely
a solute for that. That's gonna be dope state of hip hop in your mind right now.
Man, We're in a unique space right now. To be honest, I know we like the number one genre, but I think that's slowly coming to an end. Not an end, but I think that's changing. I think music's becoming very universal and hip hop artists, we're not making good records.
You saving it.
I ain't cutting you off, but you saving it because the reason why because it's a substance. Yeah, but that's why your music and so is fresh, and because you're saying something that resonates exactly. And I appreciate that from you because, like you say, so many people follow us. Yeah, and the bullshit sells exactly. So you know what I'm saying, It says a lot about you what you stand on, not for sure, you know, to go against the grain and still be successful.
And like what Stack's saying is like he's saying substance. He ain't saying lyrical ability or mumble all this. Like little Baby got a lot of substance, you know what I mean. Therk got a lot of substance. I love listening to them. I was just listening to rich On me Kwan on the way over. He just dropped some new shit. It's it's people out here making good music.
But I feel like us as a whole and hip hop, like everybody just copying was working for somebody else and nobody really being authentic to the No, I'm not gonna say nobody. A lot of people aren't really being authentic to themselves. And we're not like pushing the culture forward. We're just continuing to do what works for streaming or TikTok or something like that.
Water it.
Yeah, So I'm trying to. I'm trying to I'm trying to put that steak on the plate man, you know what I mean. I'm trying to push that creativity as far as I can and really give us something to feel.
When when would you say, what age did you feel like you started rapping, like really rapping.
I started when I was like nah, but I told you I really started when I got caught up the team seventeen.
I'm that's what it's like. It really.
It was still a fun thing. But when it was like I'm a rapper is when I knew I wasn't gonna be a hooper. Yeah yeah, I said, this is what I'm doing. I'm not going to get a job. And that's nothing against a job. I just talked too much shit to go get a job.
You know what I'm saying.
I told motherfuckers, I'm finna go to the league. I'm finna come by the gym and repaint this motherfucker I'm doing. I can't. I can't. I can't. You can do it now though, facts, you know what I'm saying. But it was like back then, it was like I can't. So when I knew I wasn't gonna hoop, I'm like, I'm rapping. That's what it was.
To reflect on your journey, it hasn't been long, but what what have you learned the most about yourself, you feel in this sense that day to now.
Man, Bro, you know what's crazy. I was just telling my baby moms. Bro, he was talking this morning, and I was telling her, it's crazy kind of what I was telling y'all, Like, it's crazy because in your mind, you see your dream happen in one way and then it don't go that way. So for me, I never had like the perfect success story, like my shit didn't happen like I made my third song and that motherfucker went viral and I turned up tour the world, became
the biggest artist. It didn't happen for me that way. It took me ten years to learn how to write good music, you know what I mean. It took me a lot of time to learn how to write a hook. So everything I am today this is like fifteen years and to make it, and I still ain't where I want to be, you know what I mean. I still ain't got a number one album, you know what I mean. I still ain't had a number one record. But I'm gonna get that motherfucker, you know what i mean. Keep
working til I get it. But I never had that story of just right coming out. My shit just blew up like that. My shit was a lot of work and a lot of progress. It's been times, bruh. I been down bad, you know, in studios with people like just learning, you know what I mean, trying to get some information that I could apply to better myself.
Where do you see yourself in ten years with your music?
I'm'a be out of music in ten years, bro, M trying to start this media conglomerate. Man, i'm uh, I'm on some shit. I just purchased you know, a a a property. You know that we getting ready to build out as a media hub that we producing content out of music as well. I'm looking for new producers to sign and artists.
So I'm i'm'a of.
Course always be making music, but I see myself being on mobile bro like this this is just a stepping stone for me.
Doing podcast podcast there too, right Yeah, yeah.
I'm I'm got my sports show coming sooner.
Yeah.
Now we we we gonna do some things together night. Yeah, you know, try to bring the umbrella over to the umbrella.
Yeah. Yeah, as you do so well, my brother Paramount.
Definitely definitely.
Oh man, this has been dope. Man.
We really appreciate your time were heading down the home stretch right now. So first thing to come to mind, Taco, let us know we're gonna put you on the spot right now. Okay, So give us a freestyle real quick.
Oh ho, Pello talking on a hundred thousand beat for him? No, no, no beat, no beat. Okay, it's gotta be heard. Yeah, I'm Pello talking on a hundred thousand moon walking over mountains. That's four hundred ounces. When I was younger, I prayed for this power. I just wish they would have told me this don't come with flowers. I never lived in public housing. Mama always found a way to keep us grounded. Nanny died, my family got divided, my uncle lost his mind.
That nigga never found it. I'm in a generation of valley dation, when niggas always on vacation from their mama basement. These bitches turned these niggas to an occupation. If pussy was running to him, these niggas still are chasing my hunt. He told me back in the day, all that snitching was dangerous. Nowadays, once you glorified, it makes you famous. But I can't fall into the matrix because nowadays doing features get you caught up in cases. Little something, little something, say.
That, yeah that.
Little We got a lot of music on the way, Yeah yeah, no, But I appreciate y'all for having me. Man, you know, this is one of my favorite shows. I remember when y'all first started this joint, you know what I mean. Like, I was a big fan of this show from the beginning to this day. I don't really miss the episode. So Man to be here, and you know, y'all like fellow bear your natives. Man, we like cousins for not for real, y'all did for the for the baden years. Man, So it's to be here for a circle.
Bro to pull up four years ago and be in an audience here.
He watched the show before. Like it's crazy.
Like I said, from the time we came through the house, we smoked, we ate good, we played some music.
I'm like, Bro, you got it. We just we clicked and then was it last year?
The year before ward, we licensed some of your music for something ship we was doing, and he was saying, it's like, Bro, he's like, I forgot exactly, like something like I'm gonna be on your show soon, I promise. I'm like, I know you are I know you are. And then come full circle. We're here today and it's just the beginning. Man, y'all know you like to talk sports, so you gotta come on.
What's burning? Ship?
And just that's where we know I'm coming on there, y'all gotta leaders Michael Jordan's ship alone. I had enough for this ship.
It ain't gonna happen. I'm getting these boxes.
Depending if you could be a fly on the wall, and and and while any album is getting made in history, what album would it be?
Oh these boxes?
I would say Kanye West College Dropout.
That's my favorite. That's one of my favorite albums of all time.
I would say Kanye West College drop Out. That's actually the album that like made me like start rapping, like about who I was.
Like.
I used to try to rap about ship that would like please the hood or like please the homies and ship like that. When I heard Kanye, I was like, nah, he talking about himself. I need to do the same thing. Let me beat me.
So that's one of my favorite show.
What would be what would be yours me?
Uh?
Probably me against the world tupac Oh Okay, yeah, I would love to.
Be yeah because I feel I feel I felt like that a lot.
I don't know if I would have wanted to be a fly in the room with Pac though, po slapping niggas and ship Like yeah, in the.
Studio, that shit was magic and the ship and the ship he's saying still resonates to a lot.
Of shit with me today.
Oh no, that you know what I think? Honestly, Like to me, Pak is one of the greatest songwriters ever. And I'm not just talking about rap songwriter. I'm talking about storyteller. Yeah, Like, I think he's one of the best because I tell people all the time, like people be like Tupac Biggie. Tupac Biggie Biggie was a better rapper than pop. Like when it came to cadences and
metaphors and lyrical ship Biggie was a lot better. But when it came to like the songs of what Pac was saying, it's like you crowded a ship, you know what I'm saying.
He had a song for every emotion.
It's like Pac will really make you gonna punch a niggas Like you be listening to like Troublesome, you know what I'm saying, and like hit him up and I'd dared to see somebody I don't like it that ship. Come on, I'm about to beat your ass wherever we are on site, you know what I mean? Like it's it's just different, It's different. Broll on me. That's a classic right there.
I ain't gonna lie.
I ain't gonna lie to just let me say this from because I guess because I'm gonna put out the Texas. If I could have heard PMC and be first album, you know what I'm saying.
You know one I would have loved to be in the room for two Dream Love Hate? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's one of the greatest R and B albums. Really listening to that album. Yeah, when y'all chilling today, everybody here put on Dreams Love Hate and just really listen to that ship.
Is that the album the one he got out there living the live of Rihanna album.
It's the one with like Kenne falsetto play and really listening to that album, Yeah, I.
Mean, he's just he's a He's a monster behind so many people today.
Yeah, with fast.
Fast call that Rihanna song on that album, Oh yeah, it is, that's on there. It's on there. I know my ship now, yeah, you know what I'm saying, especially.
Rihanna on it. That's Rihanna, that's it. That's a great album. I think that's a real underrated. No, it's a classic you can't find. I don't think you could find five R and B albums better than that album.
No, fact, it's not that hard. Listen to you. I agree that.
Listen to that ship. Bro, that's a classic right there.
Pickup game you plus four other hip hop artists.
Okay, right off the back, I'm picking up Drake. This is my team. I'm picking okay, Drake, future young Boy, and I'm gonna go Kendrick for more.
Hold on, you've seen them, hope.
Oh I'm thinking. I'm thinking, like we have to verse people.
I know you didn't get the question, okay, because I'm saying.
You just kidding. What rappers have I seen? Who that I would pick the play basketball with you in the real game, scrap all fishing my partners. When you say finish, I'm thinking, like the Wizard is too damn cool.
Scrap ball. But he said I was like what he said.
I was like, no, not the Wizard, scrapball, not the Wizard.
I was gonna say to play basketball, but then Ice he kept talking.
I figured it wasn't basketball. That was his rap group.
I thought you meant like pick up like rap basketball, that's your rap group. I like that wrap that rap crazy. Okay, that rap.
That it's going to break every record known. And they's good. Yeah, them boys good.
The boy's good. They got okay basketball Number one, I'm going a little dirt, Okay, now be talking. Number two. I'm gonna go with Kavo. Number three. I'm gonna go with Waka Flocker. I see see Walker guy like that junk yard dog dog like you know what I mean, you always need a dog. Indeed, Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Walking. I need one more Jacob.
You can't perfect Jacobs one.
I'm gonna run with that. That's my five.
Yeah, he might be the nicest.
What's your what's your five?
Mmm? I go Chris Brown number one? Pick he said rappers and he rap a little bit. He wrapped to that. Nigga is an icon rapper.
Mine would probably be pretty similar years. I would just have Chris Brown on my team for sure, because I see I've seen him play, so I was.
I would switch all that up. Who would you do?
I would go Davi's he could play okay, ill, I will go snoop, oh, snoop.
He got a basketball, I.
Q snoop came in time out real quick. He came into a Legends event Quevos event and legends out of the Mamba academy. Uh and some chucks played hard for a quarter, have buckets, a couple of rebounds, came late, played the quarter, and then left.
Commercial.
Go ahead, Yeah, I mean he was. He just blesses with his presence. He came in hoop for a quarter and then.
Bounced snoop babies and snoops, Davy snoop, Chris Brown, Quavo, and probably the game.
Was okay Chris Brown, game Qua change.
Tony?
Who else was?
It will be my number one pick because I yea, I will pick up changed me my number one pick because I would hear this ship for the rest of my life. Let me go to change me my number one pick, y'all, I will never live the question.
Edit that dog, Well, I say to change yeah, because I'm telling.
You that I never y'all know that I never heard I never here. Go ahead and my pott and the Dogs.
So I like I was just he abused that ship heed that change changed change.
If you can have one guest on All the Smoke, who would it be?
But before you answer, give us your answer, you have to help us get your answer on the show.
So I got it, said it again?
Who would you like to see on All the Smoke?
Before you give us your answer, you have to help us get your answer on the show.
He wears bell bottom jeans. That's a lot of people these days, man, You know he wears the old school bill bottom gan old school bill with leather boots, with leather jacket Halloween big leather jackets. And he got a bald head with brown eyes. And you played for him m J.
Yeah, oh no, you got to know answer. You heard the question. You got to help us get it on the show.
I ain't help you get that. I thought you said, I gotta help y'all get that. I gotta give.
Whoever you think that should be on our show. You gotta help us get them on the show. He was giving us trivia. Yeah, no, old.
You think you think make you lose your boxes, You make you lose your endorsement, simbl.
You lose your boxes with m Jack. My face hurts.
Oh man, I rock with Mike though, Man, I just think you get too much credit.
Can make you lose your boxes, make you lose your box.
Jack tell you, hey, be the simple stops and not Jack.
Worry about Jackie. Get you some bronze. Man, you know what I'm saying.
Come on over here to going champion.
Separate that, Mike, Like my homework came without saying, this is the male bloot, this is the female blood.
Separate. I didn't say it.
So if you can see a guest on the show, but you have to know this person well enough to help him come on the show or.
Her that I had some when you got your phone.
Oh man, doctor doctor, I was just about to say that, doctor to huh, I actually asked we actually we would actually appreciate that.
And you know what, we would even pull up on him. Absolutely. But it's on Yah, it's on the on the plane forever.
Ask for sure, because everybody else I always say, besides.
Right down, stop right now, doctor d That's all we need is good, he said.
Bron I was going to say, Katie, but you probably could get bron on the show before, No doubt that. Yeah, Matt cam before both.
Of us and we ran.
I ran across him a Draymonds when he told me three times he was coming on the show.
Like I didn't even imprompted if he told, you know time, but you said right, I asked for sure for yours. I don't know if you'll do it right because he's not, but I should do his ask.
Tell Jack and get him some boxes. Just say what's up?
You know J only rock white air Force ones, but.
Then it all black, all white. We got gifts.
Okay, you can't leave here without getting something from all the smoke and man escape.
And all kind of business.
Okay, now you know what I'm saying. Keep my grass cut. Yeah, ye, so you got a lot more two point.
Oh you my brother since we have the croppers over, yeah, he also has the body of Okay, okay, all the smoke. What about the ball whites? He didn't get any ball whites. All the smoke, all the smoke down store. That's what you can share. He appreciates if you you you can get. Hey, man, this has been a good show, good day, happy for you. You know what I mean.
When I met you, I heard it and I started just telling everybody like he's coming. And you know the fact that you're from the Bay. Just happy to see you continue to grind and and and like you said, inspire others to do the same.
Definitely keep doing it the right way, bro. So appreciate you.
Appreciate.
You know that Jackie got your hands, he got sweaty. Stephen Jackson got it smoked. You know you got smoker's palms. I'll give you a past. But Jack, she used to be Jack.
I'm good now. He used to kill me. Jack she used to have swamp hands. How you figured how? How did you fix that?
Uh don't I don't know, but probably tomorrow next show, my hand's gonna be sweating.
Just because you said that.
That just means we're finn to get some money. Yeah, goes, stick to.
Your mother hands. Well that's a wrap, man, Simba l A. It was a pleasure.
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We'll see y'all next week.