Reggie Bush Unloads on NCAA, Getting Heisman Back, CFB Video Game & Texas vs. USC | ALL THE SMOKE

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We were able to track down I've been trying to track this dude down in like two three years, and he telling me, hold on, man, I got a lot of ship coming out. I want to talk about it. And we're finally here. Man, we want to welcome one of the most iconic college athletes of all time.

My neighbors live right down the.

Street, kids going to school again, going to the same school.

A lot going on right now.

This is a really hot time for the nt double a uharticularly yourself as well.

Where's your state of mind right now?

Because you're not a very outspoken person, but I've been seen kind of talk your shit on Instagram a little bit. But so where are you at right now with all this NCAA stuff and trying to right their wrongs and still haven't righted all their wrongs?

Where are you staying with it?

I have an open lawsuit right now against A for defamation of character, So that's what's next for me. When in regards to the nstable A, we filed the defamation character lawsuit a few months or about a year ago, but it was based on a statement that they made about me, saying that I was I wouldn't be reinstated, which I'm technically still not reinstated right now. So I got my heismand trophy back. I'm in the Hall of Fame, but I don't have any stats. So the fight still continues,

And you know, we expected that too.

I expected them to not want to see me, you know what I'm saying, because they understand and they know they lied, and it's only a matter of time before the truth comes out and that's ultimately what's happening right now. Literally as we speak, facts are coming out, the truth is coming out.

And it's all it's all bad.

On the instead A's part, you spoke a little bit before we got on the air. You have a big documentary, six part documentary. You want to speak to that a little bit and and kind of what that will entail.

I don't have a six part series.

It will be, but it will be you know around there, four, six, eight, we'll see. There's so much information that's going to be in this documentary. It's all new information. So it's nothing that anybody knew or thought they knew about my story. You know, there's a lot that was covered up in my story by the Nce double A. There was a lot of dirty shit that they did in the media, you know, just releasing little things to damage my character.

A day of my life.

And you know, my definition as an athlete of a cheater somebody who's taking some kind of performance enhancing drug or trying to somehow directly affect the game in a way in their favor. I've never felt a drug test in my life, you know. So it's just crazy to me that I was somehow labeled a cheater when I never cheated.

And but it goes to show you.

The depths of which the NC double A was willing to go to paint me as the bad guy, to make me public enemy number one, and to really cover up what they were truly doing behind the scenes, which was, you know, continuing to exploit athletes.

Obviously, congratulations for getting your Heisman trophy back, but when you do it dig a little deeper, it came from the Heisman trust, Yeah, it didn't actually come from the NC double A. Again you mentioned earlier, you haven't definitely haven't been vindicated. There's no real trace of you in the sc record books. They took your guys' championship away.

So how hard was that for you?

It was very hard because, like you said that you're alluding to, they had a louder microphone at that time than I did. That's that was the only difference. Their like, their microphone was way louder and much bigger than mine. I have been saying the same thing from day one, from the time, you know, I was rookie in the NFL, and you know they were alleging all these things against me.

You know, they they really didn't like.

That we were flashy as a football team.

That bothered them.

It also bothered them that we were successful and we were also right here in LA at the same time, you know what I'm saying.

So our team was big.

You know, we were one of the biggest, you know teams in collge football.

Your was everywhere, still.

Was everywhere. And it's unfortunate because you know, everything that all the hard work that we put in on the field, y'all know, you put that working on the court, in the locker room, in the weight room with your teammates, with your dogs. There's nothing that can break that bond one because that's something that would last forever and me and my teammates to this day. When I went into the College Football Hall of Fame a few months ago in Las Vegas, a bunch of my teammates showed up

It's like, yeah, we need.

To miss a beat, got right back to cracking jokes on each other, you know what I'm saying, having fun, you know, doing all these different things, and so you know, that's a brotherhood that we built, and it's unfortunate that this story has kind of overshadowed the success and what we.

Really was about during that time period.

Man.

So you know, it was tough for me, but like I said, being labeled a cheater, I think was the toughest part. You know, going through that and also having to go through different stadiums in my career and hearing people chanting cheater liar, you know, all these different things and in my head, I'm just I couldn't believe it.

Nil has been a huge topic over the last few years something we all missed out on. Obviously, they're trying to make a little bit of progress. All the money is not actually coming from the schools, yeah, or the NC DOUBLEA is coming from outside resources. What do you still feel like needs to happen to just write this?

If?

I mean, the NCAA is a billion dollar institution. Football is the main driver. Basketball is right behind it. They're making billions a top of billions of dollars, thinking that a diploma or something is equal to all the money they're making, which it's not. What do you person feel someone who's been through the ring of the NC DOUBLEA and still kind of telling your story, but that what do you feel they need to do to start writing their wrongs overall?

Well, I think the first step was NIL, allowing players to make money off their name, image, and likeness, because from day one you already owned your NIL. It was just that when you got into college football or basketball, now you were stripped of that strip.

Of that ability.

And so that's what really the Supreme Court ruling was over nine to nothing, which basically said what you guys are doing is illegal. And now fast forward to literally a week ago, the settlement that the n SUAA settled with now players being able to be paid by the universities, by the schools. That was the next biggest hurdle because now what that means is players will be considered employees

And also at the same time.

The money that we were making was being used to go pay for coaches, facilities, presidents.

Athletic director, buildings on camp everything.

Yeah, when you see a new building, I mean I'll never forget, you know, seeing the new basketball stadium, you know go up, you know, around the same time period as when we were winning, I was like, I wonder if.

We had something to do with that, A lot to do.

And it was funny too, because there's supposed to be some huge rivalry between that CE and UCL and I think it's more for the students of the fans. But I was a huge fan of you guys because I the football guy first, so being able to see you guys right down the street in what you were doing, it was. It was just always so impressive. And like you said, in the city with the Lakers, Clippers weren't that good back then. But USC was it, you see, was the draw. The celebrities were there, Like I said,

I mean, like you said, it's the environment we created on that football field, like you said, celebrities on the sidelines, you know, stadium packed, ninety three, ninety four.

Thousand rappers rapping about y'all. College. Yeah, it was.

You know, the only thing you can compare that to is the U, right, because the U was that they were that team before us. And I'll never forget, you know, growing up as a as a young kid wanting to play in college, and I was such a fan of everything that the U was doing. The players, they were flashy,

Football can do this of that.

And that's what the nc double A has always been afraid of, because when you start to have teams that start to separate from the pack, now, the NCAA feels like we might lose control, right, and they never want to lose control. They always want to be in control. And so think about those teams. I mean, we were ultra powerful, you know what I'm saying, and we in in a.

Good way obviously.

But again, that's the thing that NCLA has always wanted to guard against, is not allowing the players to understand their true value and allowing these teams to get too big to where they start.

To branch off.

Big.

You unleash something on the n CUBA recently on the Instagram post Jack's Gonna read it, you're sir.

This is what the NCAA was always afraid of. The powers in the players hands now and always been there. They just wanted you us to remain and ignorant and continue to believe in the lie that your degree is a fair trade. The truth is college football is big business. Billions are profit of college athletes every year, while the players are giving bread crimes and left to struggle through

College football is at the top of the food chain. Is it king of the world? College sports? Period?

The NCAA players, university's powerful conferences benefit of college football and basketball, and his players through the exportation of nil. They have always fought hard to keep players from knowing their true power and value. But times have changed and people are starting to finally wake up. The power up information is real and your days are numbered. NCAA and I will be there to watch you bleed out with my trophy in one hand and the knife in the other.

Remember who, Remember Remember who?

With Jack reading that, that's something that's been inside of you for a long time, because, as we stated previously earlier in the interview, they dragged you, demean you, that your family, uh you know, called you a cheater, a liar, did everything they possibly could, and you've kind of just had to sit back and take it so to be able to get that out is somewhat vindicating.

Yeah, absolutely, man, And you know that's obviously been on my heart for a long time. That came from the heart, right, There were no ghostwriters.

No nobody.

I wrote that from the heart, you know what I'm saying.

And that was before I got my Heisman Trophy back. I always knew I was gonna get it back, the same way when I was in high school, I said I was gonna win the Heisman Trophy before I even knew what it would take, before I even knew the workload that was going to be required to go into it, I just knew I could win that. And the same way that I manifested it into my life the first time is the same way I manifested it right back

There.

I knew at some point the facts and the truth will come out it's just a matter of time. You can only you know, continue with a life for so long, right, you can only shout for so long. I mean, the NC was ultra powerful back then. You gotta understand they're the almighty. And the issue is they're the judge and the jury, so very different than you know, when you go to regular court and they have an actual jury that's separate from it. They are the judge and the jury.

Twenty twenty four is a year of truth twenty four.

But you're a true out.

New college football game coming out. He was on two thousand and seven cover with everything going on. You know how big the game is. I can't wait for it to play.

They owe you some money. Yeah, but you know how ironic is that? You know what I'm saying.

You see you look on that cover. You see my picture in n c A A over my chest. How ironic is that? How full circle is that?

Right now?

You know, based on what we're talking about and exploitation, you know that the nuble A was able to get away with for so long, and you got to understand, you know, this is this word that they have been able to create in every single you see it everywhere this word student athlete. So this word student athlete, my literally just heard Snoop Dogg's head on his uh his Instagram posts talking about the college bowl game that he has.

But people don't understand.

This word student athlete was created out of response to two lawsuits our two workers conversation playing one. They're both football related. The first one a guy died from football injuries he sustained, and then the second one was a running back from TCU who was paralyzed.

On the play from the waist down.

And the families filed for workers conversation for the obviously because you know they're trying to take care of the family members and the medical benefits. They probably couldn't afford it back then, and so the NCLA, being who they are, saw this as an issue for anybody that would come after them to try to file a worker's conversation clan.

For so long, even.

Though you got a scholarship to go to college to play basketball, football, they still were selling, you know, they still were saying that you come here to be a student first, and the football or basketball you choose to play.

Is an extracurricular activity. So that's why they considered it an amateurism sport, right. And so this word student athlete was created by Scott Walter Byers out of response to these to workers conversation claims, because they knew that anybody else that came after if there are any other cases that came after them, they would do the same thing. And so this all has been about just exploiting players and exploiting athletes, you know, to the point.

Where they will create words secretly.

In playing sight and not even and you don't even know.

Every time you say a student athlete, you their word is hurting the athletes say that exactly.

I would be remiss without mentioning our brother Ed Albannon man what he's been able to do and the doors he started opening and the eyeballs and the attention he brought to this only helps everyone else.

Such a started process that was the start.

And I mean how many years ago was that? Thirty years ago?

Yeah, I'm not sorry.

No, it was a long time ago. It might have been about thirty years ago.

But and it took them, It took us that long to get to where we are now. Do you know what I'm saying? And that happened thirty years ago, but I mean that was such a big momentum shift, you know for players, you know versus n C double A. But yeah, man, that was that was massive.

No, I don't speak much.

Yeah, yeah, from the video it happened because he saw the video game.

Yeah, and saw.

Like players, big players being put on these video games, being exploited, you know, and you're not getting anything from nothing.

Them games are good. I mean there was never a college basketball game, but the football game was always.

A basketball game. It was decent, it was good ship.

It wasn't about the football. Football game is dope, always been dope.

I don't know if you ever heard this, but you were so cold when the movie Boys in the Hood came.

Out, people thought that was you on that running back, Sae. You haven't heard that. I ever heard that. I ain't gonna lie I heard that. You like, look that was that Younis he was in high school. That's how call You was. First of all, it's one of my favorite movies.

Yeah, love question, but but yeah, that's that definitely wasn't me.

We talked.

We talked about the basketball, the evolution, how the game is growing. How would a young Reggie Bush look in the league right now. I mean, first of all, you look like you know.

Yeah.

First of all, they want, you know, my I was considered a small running back back then, and so in the time period when I came into the NFL, they still wanted a big running.

Back and the small running back to Mike all Stocks exactly.

Yea. And so my o G who was in there before me, was Duce mc callister. Deuce was about two thirty at that time. I was two hundred and five miles soaking wet. But you know, now they want the running backs that can do everything, and that's who I was. I was a running back that did everything I would. My rookie year, I had ninety five receptions as a running back. I caught the football all over the place,

You know, remind me of you Swift. Kind of reminds me of Swift, yep, yep. I love watching him in college too. He was a dog in college.

And you know he had he he had that one that cut, that one step cut and go and get up the field. But yeah, I love watching him, man. But you know, if I was playing in this era right now, you know, saying, just with the way the shift of the way offenses played, it's played more spread out now.

When I was in the NFL, when I got into.

The league, they were still using fullbacks, fullbacks and non existent. I didn't even have fullbacks in the league anymore so that period, so that that position is completely gone. And so now everything has gone more to a more spread out four receivers, three receivers, some tight ends are considered receivers.

Right and single back sets.

And that's that was perfectly tailored from somebody like me who had speed vision, can catch the football, can kind of create a lot of issues for linebackers, and so if I played in this era, I mean mistake, Yeah, it's it's game over. But you know, I'm also a fan of of just seeing, you know, how much faster the game is played, you know, because I do believe the game is just being played faster.

It's some more QB driven league. You're seeing more.

Dual threat quarterbacks come out now, which I love, and black quarterbacks.

You know, I think was it this.

Past year or the year before was the first time we had two black quarterbacks started with super Jalen Hurts and Pat Mahomes. So, you know, I love seeing this, this evolution of the dual threat quarterback. My son plays flag football, but I got them playing quarterback literally for that reason, because I want him to be able to utilize all his skills set. If I can go back to college and do it all over again, I'll play. I'll playing quarterback.

You should see how fast it sub plays basketball. One of my sons. Yeah, on the basketball court. You just tell this in him, he be taking off.

I'm like that.

Even with running backs being a high topic right now and a lot of teams trying to figure out how they can get a key running back to be successful.

They're still the lowest paid. What's your being on that?

It sucks, man, I hate seeing that, bro because eating you know, yeah, because running backs take the biggest beating, They take the most contact on every single play, and.

You know, it's it's a it's.

A very very tough position to succeed in, especially now in this day and age, and stay healthy and stay healthy. That's the other that's the biggest issue, right is staying healthy. You know, most running backs especially you know, we talked about this air running backs, you're always outweighed, always by the linebackers, by the d lineman.

And so you got to think every time you run through that through.

That line, you're hitting this seventh or eight guys that are way bigger than you that you got to run through. And so, by nature, that position is not designed for you to last long.

Just by nature, you know.

I believe though, that there are still some great running backs out there that can carry the load, that can be the difference maker.

And I think as.

Much as I've loved the speed of the game and where it's going and how much is a passing game, I think we also need to get back to running football little bit more too, because that balances out you know what you can do on offense. You know, if you have a good attack from the running back from the backfield, that's opening up everything for the quarter.

Actually that helps the lineman too. Yeah, exactly. The line hate dropping back, exactly, hate dropping back sixty times a game. But they like, you know, they big. They want to put the weight on somebody.

I want to go forward, you know, so when you going backwards all the time, you know that's not that's not fun.

How is your body? I mean high school, college pros. I mean, we'll talk about the accident you had of the slip, yeah, but how is your body overall?

So my body now is great? Man, I feel I feel amazing, you know. But when I when I retired from the NFL, uh, it's going on six years now for me, I might even be here off it might be seven years. But you know it's crazy how time, you know, how fast it just goes. Man. You know the game, it's a young man's game. Game not gonna wait for you. But you know, for me, I played eleven years in the NFL as running back, which is a long time, and I was fighting through my last

I saw a bunch of doctors.

Pretty much all of the doctors I saw told me I needed replacement surgery. And you know that, yeah, exactly, and and and that was the biggest, you know discussion. I was always asking doctors, well, I'm only in my someone to do the gaming, so if I get it now, and knowing how active I am, am, I gonna be back on the shelf in the next fifteen twenty years, and so they obviously all said that's a big possibility, you know. So you know, now I'm faced with this dilemma.

Something that I truly needed.

I needed to put more focus back into my body, getting strong, getting healthy, and so I started.

Doing that.

And I connected with this company, Victory Insols. They have these carbon fiber insoles that I lose that I use every single day. And these insoles are amazing and I would recommend them to anybody, especially athletes. But they've been able to give me some technology and some extra extra lyftling left side that just.

Helps balance out my walk.

And then from there, now that my walk is more balanced out, now it's more about me, you know, getting my body back stronger and healthier. But you know, as far as the the pain that I was dealing with on a daily basis, man, it was excruciating and it was one of the worst things, you know that that I've had to go through because it was a daily pain. And when you're in daily pain, it affects you mentally.

That's good.

You number one player in high school played with Alex Smith. It was like, it was awesome man.

Alex was.

San Diego, y.

N It was awesome man playing with Alex. You know, we didn't lose a football game. We went undefeated every year. You know, we our team was loaded. You know, we were football school my high school. He looked high school to lose a game in high school, didn't lose a game.

Brot home, this is crazy.

So by the time I got to the NFL, my total career, I had only lost three games total.

That's college and high school.

That's college and high school. I lost a total of three games. So when I got to the NFL, and then we went through my rookie year and we went to the NC Championship, game. I was like, Oh, this is just it's gonna be for the rest of my career. You know, I thought I was just gonna be winning every year. And you know, obviously you get humbled playing but but yeah, man, going back to playing with Alex, you know, it was awesome having a quarterback like that.

Way that he he attacked the work.

You know, he always worked his butt off, He always showed up, he always played hard. And his last the last year was my junior year. That's when we really started to throw the football more. And once we started throwing the ball more, we started spreading out the offense. That's when he started getting recruited and you know, the rest is history. He went to Utah had a great, great career Utah with Irby Meyer, put them on the map, and then obviously went.

To the NFL.

He's I don't know him too well, but he says a lot of positive things on our post and all the smoke page in on my page, he sent a lot of positives.

Yeah, man, yeah, exactly, And he went through.

You know, I mean, god, dang, you know, is as tough as an injury can possibly be humanly possibly be. Man, You always hear, you know, I would, I would always hear stories of you know, just different surgeries that went bad.

You know, somebody caught some kind of infection or something, imputators like.

Yeah, and you know those are the those are the horror stories that you just never want to go through, especially somebody like me who was going through, you know, surgeries and injuries constantly in and out of the hospital doctors and you know, knock on wood, man. I was just so happy that you know, obviously, you know, I was able to go through all my stuff, you know, healthy. But but Alex Man, great great guy.

His injury opened up the door for Pat Mahomes right, exactly.

So crazy growing up in San Diego watching the Damien Thompson.

For you, man, it was it was everything for me, Bro it was Washing LTS and with the Chargers. You know, growing up in San Diego, you're naturally a Charger fan. And you know, our two biggest, biggest athletes you know from San Diego was Junior Seout and Tony Gwynn in baseball. And if you played, he's one of those either one of those sports. You wanted to be like those guys.

You know, award ceremonies. He would be.

He would always show up and be the honorary you know, celebrity athlete to come and hand out the awards. And so we connected in high school, stayed in touch in college, and then so my sophomore year, after my sophomoreere finished, I was up at the Heisman Trophy, didn't win, and so I knew that I had a shot to possibly win it the next year. So I was like, man, I got to take my work ethic. I gotta take this thing to the next level. And so I hit LT.

Was ugly. How many people can say that though, And that's when you're in high school.

I on a call LT like to turn my game, but you got I love young fellas, yes.

Sir, but you know I love you know, and that's what I try to do.

Man.

I try to pass it back down to the young kids now. Now we obviously none of us can do it anymore. I'm coaching my sons, you know, flag football teams, basketball teams, I'm coaching my kids in track and field. I'm trying to do everything I can to now dump all my knowledge that I've built and pour it back into them. And you know, it's getting it's getting fun right now with my kids because I mean I'm starting to see, so what's the ages now?

Uh So, my daughter's eleven, y'r ryah.

My middle son is eight, he's about to be nine, and then my youngest olger mind is six, he's about to be seven.

And they all play sports.

My two boys run track, I play football, basketball, Then my daughter.

Is track and tennis.

Nice and but you know, again, it's getting fun for me right now because I'm just seeing the work that they put in and the work I put in with them is starting to show up on the basketball court, on the football field.

I mean, it just makes sense with all the other he'sman running backs from San Diego, you just had to fit in that category home with Williams Solon.

Yeah.

Man, So I uh so growing up my area, just my ten fifteen mile race where I grew up as with Sean Salon, Ricky Williams, Marcus Allan, Terrell Davis.

All from that one a little being all you'll football, Yeah, and so I see, you know, I've had examples in front of me, you know of guys who've done.

It, who come from my great examples, great examples. You know, Marcus only went to U s C. You know, Ricky Williams, I mean he was everything. Ricky was larger than life.

Yes, he was a man. It was crazy.

And so watching these guys and just knowing that they paved a way for me, showing me that a San Diego running back could do it, could come from this neighborhood and can go do it at the highest level, it motivated me. And you know I used, you know, all of that motivation to to you know, try and replicate that, you know, on the football field what they did, and try to, you know, do it bigger and better, try to see it. And so you know, it's it's awesome, man,

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Td so Roy Davison, Markus I went to the same high school, lincol high school. So actually it was crazy. It's Lincoln High School. For a while, it was man, it was it was bad.

It was real bad high school. I went to Lincoln.

All las around the world, east Side high the Lincoln, and.

I can't like that.

But uh but yeah, so Lincoln High School now actually is one of the top high schools in San Diego. They put a lot of money back into the high school. I believe their football program. Yeah, the football programs is competing now. They got state championships football and had that when I was in high school, So they got state now that Lincoln has been playing and I know the basketball team is pretty good.

Baseball team is supposed to be pretty good too. So yeah, yeah, they.

Put a lot of money to that and that's I'm so glad that they've done that because for a very long time that school was always you know, it was always known as the hood school. So now you've seen all the success people pouring money back into the inner cities, and that's what the inner city committees need.

When the last time you ran the forty, it's been a minute, it's been a minute. The last time you ran, what was your time?

You think you my last my last forty four three three. I ran four to three uh at my at my pro day at USC And you know, I was a track guy, and so track and field for me, And that's why my kids run track right now. It's because you know, track is just it translates to every sport. I don't care what sported. Every sport involves running, except

Pull away from God, you're still four five. I'm definitely on the four five. Yeah still, Yeah, you definitely can get Yeah, it'sbably go test this out right out. There's been a many did it recently.

Ran naked for what for nine?

Yeah? Which there you're gonna do right now.

I'll probably pulled something. Yeah, my fastest the fourth three.

It might not be that fast, but I can do it. Ain't gonna be that fast, I.

Could probably still I'm probably five. Pete Carroll, how instrumental was he? Uh As obviously kind of a mentor coach and the leader of that squad.

Yeah, Pete Man, Pete was.

You know Pete, the culture started with Pete. The culture that we created, it starts with the head coach. The culture that any team creates always starts with the head coach. And you know, he created a culture. But you know, the players took it and we just we improved it, right, we made we made it better. And but Pete was, you know he was. He was amazing because he always

Era with the way you cannot.

I don't think the coaches that I had we'll be able to we'll be able to thrive in this era with these with these kids because it's.

Just a different ballgame.

And they they there's a lot more information that's available to him, which is you know, another.

Part of it.

You know, social media is another part of transfer portal. Right now you can just pick up and leave if you want to. And so you know, our team, our third stream was a five star. You won't see that anymore. You will never see another five star player, maybe even sitting second stream, because there's gonna be other teams that are gonna need him and want him.

And he can go and play right now.

Like, hey, we got this for you exactly next month.

We can go make money right now. So now players about college players about to get paid. So now it's it's really open season. Because now, why why would I go sit behind somebody if another universe is gonna offer me money right now, I can go start playing get film on me right now.

So this is transfer portal. It just changed everything, man, And.

You're thinking enough to cut you off in a good or bad way, because I mean we all came up with like ship sometimes you gotta sit your turn. So our freshman year, we didn't really do stuff a second. Your sophomore year, junior year, I mean, what are your thoughts on them because obviously it is beneficial for some people to go get a fresh start, but at the same time, to me, you keep running from the smoke.

At some point you ain't nowhere to run, you know.

It's I think it's a case by case.

We've seen it really benefit some players. So I think the perfect example is Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow transferred, goes.

To l s U.

That next year, the team takes off the.

Jayalen Hurst, they go win the National Championship, he wins a Heisman Trophy first round drafted. They may not have happened if he had to just sit there and wait. And so you know, I love the positive benefits of it and where it can help a player to go and start playing right now, because for so long a coach should get fired and go get another job week two weeks a week, you know, still while still getting

So I thought that was an issue.

So now that they got rid of that, I love that the power is back into players hands. On the other end, I think the players need representation when they're making these decisions, right, So you need some kind of guidance, and I don't even know if your school is the right one to handle that, right. You can't just go have somebody from your vision. It's got to be a separate you know, agent or somebody represents you in this decision about to make because it could make a break

So now where you go, I want to say, I heard a crazy them, Like there's seventeen hundred kids in there with only like two hundred and fifty schools.

You know what I mean. So it's it's yeah.

So so now you got a lot more kids hopping into the transfer portal, and it's competition in.

The transferport in the matrix.

You can get stuck in that matrix.

I like the players having more power, but again, any representation.

All right, so obviously you're you're on the field at SC was well covered and decorated. What was life like off the field for you, because obviously you had again, like I said earlier, you had life.

That's what I'm saying.

It's eighteen nineteen. Your name is up there with Kobe and Shaq. I was life like outside of football.

It was. It was.

It was good. You know, it was fun. Obviously, you get a lot of We got a lot of respect everywhere we went. I wasn't a big party guy, so I wasn't out in the streets like that. I was really focused on trying to get to the next level, and so I didn't have a lot of time for for bs. I't having a lot of time for bullshit, and so for me, you know, I would go out and hang out here and there, but I was more focused on I need to get to this next level

And so, you know, it was.

It was awesome. You know, obviously being at school and winning championships, you know, it was.

It was amazing, man, it was.

College was one of the best experiences of my life and you know, to this day, you know, it to me holds a special place in my heart because I felt like I became a man in college and you know, a lot more responsibilities placed on my shoulders, right, you know, everything about my future was right there in front of me, and I had to lock in and go get it. And so, you know, I really, you know, I really locked in on you know, school. I tried to block

I just tried to block out the outside people as much as I could. Man.

But unfortunately, you know that happened with this, you know, this situation with with the NC double A and everything that happened with that. But you know, for me again, you know, just being around that time period, I had so much fun. I enjoyed it. The co experience was everything I could ever imagined. And you know that was a journey. Yeah, like you said, man, the journey is when you look back on it, you know, yeah, I was.

I'm going to study hall the bus ride.

Where were you two thousand and three? Two thousand and three, I was a freshman freshman, and so that's the last time I seen you in person. Let me tell you why.

We won the championship that year, and we went to a party here in LA for the sp Awards last Yeah, I remember, remind you last time.

I said, we had a good time tonight because it was the time of Bay Buccaneers that the year, and U and we were all in the same part.

I remember that must be nice.

We had a good time. We definitely got you know we I mean whenever we wanted to.

Go to clubs and stuff like.

That's no bigger place here in l A.

You were the best player on the best team in college football, you know what I mean.

So it's just like the world is yours.

Freshman he walked in there. But Reggie Bush, it was, it was all of it, you know.

I didn't.

I didn't at that time period.

I didn't realize how big it was because when you were in it, you were just like, this is what we do.

But when you look back on.

It, man, and and I didn't realize how big it was and how massive what we were doing was and how we were changing the game and how we were affecting you know, people's you know, decisions to go to colleges and stuff like that.

Man, it was it was all you get done with your dog, let's work on the sc dot.

Absolutely yeah.

Yeah. People in Texas USC jerseys and we was rooting for Vince Young. That's my dog, man, Vince.

You know what's crazy? You know what I love about you know, love about the game. You know, you guys understand this, man is you know, you know sometimes.

The players who are your your your rivals.

And your enemies on the field end up becoming some guys your friend and you know, Vince is one is uh, you know, somebody have a lot of respect for it. Because Vince also did something that I'll never forget. And you know, after we played National Championship game, obviously they beat us, one of the things that we did, me and Matt did was we went to their locker room and we sought out vents and the coach wanted to shake their hands like yo, congrats like that was that was a good ass games.

Best game ever.

And after that, when this penalties were happening and the Heisman trust stripped me the Heisman Trophy.

One of the things that they did was they.

Went to Vince and they asked him if he wanted the trophy, if he wanted I wanted the trophy, they were going to take they know they did. They took the trophy from me and they were going to give it to Vents. So at this time period, Vince says to the Heisman Trust, that's regist trophy and I'll never forget that because you got to think, first of all, he just beat us, so now he they're on top of the world, you know, and they just took down the number one team.

Great football game, like you said, one of the greatest games ever.

He would have every right you know what I'm saying, or in that moment, if he wanted to to be like absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

We get that.

And I think that again, we talked about that respect, in that bond that you create on that battlefield, on the football field.

You can't break that.

And there's no outside business people, no n C.

Double A, you know, they won't understand.

They won't understand that and shout out to Vince and that's my dog. A lot of respect for him, you know, not only as as a football player, but man, just as a man and for everything he stands for and for the decision that he made as a young kid, young twenty twenty one year old kid, to make that decision and to say that and to support me in that time, that mean every day to me.

N IL.

Right now, college football is heavy. Some of the top earners Shador Sanders, Travis Hunter, Archie Manning value between three to four million. With all due respect to those young stars, what a Reggie Bush had done at USC and Max Style, he would have took a pay cut to go to the NFL first. And for me, what kind of money you think you could have had in this nil era?

Oh my god, man, being here in La in Hollywood at USC one of the most story programs, winning the Heisman Trophies, national championships, it would have been It would have been amazing. I don't know if I would have been ready for it, you know, being that young and you know, having that much money or just having you know, money like that, you know, because also when you're that young, eighteen nineteen, you're not financially I'm not financially I.

Get thinking about the league. I'm there you just spend it right away. You spend all of it seven senior.

So you know, on one end, you know, obviously inn il is available to players now, but you know, I was also came to the NFL at time period where you got your money up front when you got your YA, and now they don't have that anymore because the the it's been slotted out, you know, towards veterans, and now you gotta go work towards getting your money, getting that big contract. And you know, when I came out, you got the big contract up front, and so you know,

Really three to four years. War kind of you.

The reward is not what everybody else getting no quarterbacks.

Is getting close to guarantee.

Basketball exactly, And so you got to think, as a running back, my career average three to four years, how am I gonna get a big contract out of that? You're not, So you go to spend those first three to four years just trying to get there and they're gonna replace you right away, and so now.

You know, it's it's it's.

Even worse for running backs because you trying to earn it, but you I was just stacked.

Up against you, you know, even more. And so that's why you n I l is great. Now.

I'm happy they got it, but I'm also blessed that I came through a time period where I was, you know, taking care of upfront.

Yeah, and and and.

And I was smart with my money and saved it, and you know, now we're good. So I did my rookie contract was six years, and then I did a two year contract with the Dolphins after that four year deal with the with the Lions. But I only saw two years of that one year one year, Yeah, so what that's but only one of those was a big contract, Yeah, Firson, that was it. Yeah, the second contract was I didn't even see that this last two years.

Yea. So they just they traded me or they released me after that. So really that's why I said I got my contract up front. That was where my big.

Money came from.

But when you got traded, did you feel like when they start trading you a lot like did you feel like you was almost done?

It was just what they were thinking. Hell no, I thought I had a lot left. It's normally like that. It's normally like that.

So so basically what happened, you know, with my I had. I was on a six year contract, year five, you know, and what they do to you in the NFL is they backload your contract knowing that you're probably not gonna see that last year.

And so I never saw that last year in my contract.

But you know, but but for me, you know, getting you know, getting that money up front, like it's set me up, set me up for life, you know what I'm saying.

And so again that's just why it's so much tougher for players.

Now you got to go earn that money now and don't get hurt along the way trying to earn that money.

That position.

So we were thinking before just kind of a little fun thing, the top college star since the year two thousand. So we came up with you, Johnny Manziel, Caitlin Clark, Tim Tebow, John Wall, Zion, Cam Newton, injurw Reese, Mike Viggas or anyone else come to.

Mind, top star since two thousand.

Yeah, just the two thousands, two thousand.

Oh my god, put me because I'm thinking about ten of them as soon as I leave here.

You put me on the spot. This is a question I needed before.

Hey, y'all go down in the comments on this part too, and let us know who we're missing.

You just heard our lists.

Let me just give you my stars.

They're not from two thousand, you know, just my favorite stars period.

Barry Sanders, Prime Time.

So Bury and Prime were the two guys I tried to emulate growing up. Those are two guys I wanted to be like. You know, obviously Bury for just how elusive he was, the cuts on the football field, and then the way Prime, the showmanship.

He will go back return punts to get the crowd hype.

And I try to take a little piece of all that and to molding to myself.

Also another guy, Marshall falk.

Eddie George in college was was a dog state.

Yeah.

Absolutely take a break, ye that the astext.

Some dope jey.

Jerseys, the red helmets, the red hillert with the strike one in the middle of the.

Astext on the side fire Man who else?

Peter Warwick was a guy man I used to love watching Peter and some man.

I mean he he in college.

I think there's nobody that could be better than Peter the way he's stopping the dime? Who else we missing?

God?

Remember a bunch of them soon as But yeah, man, I mean those are you know, some of the guys that you know, I grew up watching and I idolized and I love, you know, you know, watching the way that they played the game. Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes and Mark.

Jackson, rock Ismael Rocket he was big and don't today.

Bro was huge, man, it was huge.

He was he was.

Yeah, she would what was the Superstar used to come? You see Baron Superstar was.

There shout out to see what that's my dog?

You still get it in?

See what we need some whiskey?

Bro?

Yeahs the Eye black you had six one nine on it. All the kids around the world started doing putting messages on the eye. Even t Bow took it farther, put the Bible Verse on it. You are a bigger part of the culture than just playing like swagging all that too. What you think about that? And then and and how that blew up? And then they ended up banning it right there. They ended up banning it because you were swagging.

Exactly because they again, they don't want you to.

Have They didn't created That's why they didn't monetize it.

They can't monetize off it. They don't want you to have the power. They don't want you to understand that you can affect all these kids and the way they watched the game and the things that they want to do. You know, but you know, I loved, you know one, So the way that they kind of came about. So I started actually with writing my area code on my

And one day.

Tino og Tino from He's our equipment guy came in and he was like, wrote he wrote the area.

Code on it.

He was like, once you try it out. I was like, you think. I was like, what you think?

You think? It a little good?

So we try that practice, all my teammates went crazy.

I knew, I knew.

I was like, you got something. So I started rocking it in the games. And but yeah, this is before time period before anybody you know did that thought about that.

And then for me, you know, I.

Love the idea of having my city on my face or somewhere where I can show face mask because yeah, you know, it's basketball players, y'all.

It's different for y'all.

Y'all don't wear helmets, so you know, people see y'all faces all the time.

Players. I didn't even have my name on the back of my jersey. I think about that. I don't even have names on the back of our jerseys. So you think about that.

Like they really want you to just blend, Like they really don't want you to stand out, So you got to do different things like that to standouts.

I feel like game was different from running back to your placement. He was like a hooper around the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it was you.

Know, I've always uh, like I said, I watched a lot of the Sanders, and I feel like a lot of that came from him, watching his swag, watching his style on the football field, the way that he would create his own, you know, persona. He had his own persona and it was very different and it stood out from anybody else. And I always wanted to stand out with the way that I played the game and even the way that I.

Looked on the football field.

And I always wanted to make sure my uniform had to be clean. I always had to have a towel hanging out, and that that really came from watching guys like again like Prime, like Marshall Falk. And then you know, the socks always had to be about calf high, and that came from Marshall Falk. So Marshall would always wear his socks high. And so you know it's it's you know, you when you when you grow up and you watch these sportsmen, you take a little piece from all these

The socks, I got that from Marshall Falk. The towel probably from Prime too, you know what I'm saying.

And so you know, you you take a lot of these pieces from these guys and you kind of mold them into into who you are and always wanted to be different on the football field, and so that's why you would see me jump over guys, flip over guys behind the back, whatever I had to do to get to that end zone. You know, it was you know, for me, it was it was more than just a game. It was about life and it was about you know, I got to get to this next level.

I got to get to being able to take.

Care of my mom, my dad, and my brothers, like because I want them to see the fruits of my labor as well.

When I say that it was forty six NFL players in that game.

Yep, well what did you think about that?

It's crazy, you know, because that's that's basically you got two NFL teams playing in the College Championship right now exactly.

And you know it was I mean, obviously, when we think about that game, you think about just the last couple of seconds, you know, Vince scoring a touchdown, and that's what kind of game it was.

It was a fest.

It was a slug fest. It's back and forth. It's we can't get up from this TV right now. We got to sit here and watch every single play, you know, and that and that's the way that the game also played out obviously on the football field, and you know, it was it was even crazier to be a part of it in person, because you know, we were up by.

Two touchdowns start halftime. Yeah, we were up.

By two touchdowns at halftime even you know, with everything that was going on, and it was such a back and forth game, and you know, Vince just took over, you know, in that second half, and that obviously ended up being a difference.

Man.

But you know, having that many future NFL players on one football field at the same time, that may never happen again, right, We may never see that again because again you think about the trans reporters n i l S players now to get paid. It's a different ball game though.

You Lyndale White and Charles Charles Jamal a hometown y'all all on the field the same time the game.

That's crazy, Vin's.

Yeah, man, But but yeah, you know, being a part of those games, man, you know, as y'all as yah.

Know, those are some games that you'll never forget.

You never forget those games that you know, even if you lost it in the last second, you never forget those close battles where you was dog tired after the game and you fought tooth and nail, you did everything you could.

Mm. You know those are the games that that really build you up on the inside. Uh speak of uh Sean Payton. Yeah. You know a lot of people got they different opinions of Sean Payton.

You know, after some people say he's a jerk, so a lot of people say he's a great coach everywhere go. He finds the ways to find ways to win. You had nearly a hundred receptions your rookie year, five hundred and sixty five rushing yards.

I wasn't how I was my rookie year.

I hated Sean really I did. I really did. And drill sergeant, and you know, I have a lot of love and respect from now, but at that time period, you know, you got also understand I I got drafted t five months after Hurricane Katrina. So we went to a team that was literally depleted literally no energy, no culture, no nothing.

We had to.

Infuse all of that that first year there together.

And I Shawn's first draft pick.

You know, so I l I was obviously more than happy to be there on the team. But Sean was a disciplinarian, you know, and he had a job to do at the time, and so I didn't understand, you.

Know, as as much because again, Sean liked to Yale.

I didn't like coaches that liked the Yale. So if you're coach that liked to Yale, it was already like an issue for me because I always felt like, you know, there's a different way you could talk to guys. But but again, also you know, Sean was hit with this

We were in we lived in Mississippi, yeah, yeah, and.

So we didn't have a home stadium because they were still you know, rebuilding a stadium from the flooded, a lot of devastation that happened in the city, you know, So you know, we we you know, there was a lot of pressure on us and Drew Brees. I don't know if you remember, he's coming off a major shoulder injury, basically toward his shoulder up the year.

Before coming to there.

He's coming there.

Yeah, they still he was coming into a situation where nobody knew what he was gonna be, if he was ever gonna get back to who he was. I'm coming into this team being labeled a cheat, her and dealing with the double A pressures of that, and now all of a sudden, here's an entire city that needs you to help restore hope and face, you know, to the city through playing football, and so you know, we all had a job to do, you know. And at that time period, again, like I said, I hated Sean because of how.

Much he yelled.

But then as we started to progress through the next few years and we started to see the work payoffs, yeah, you know, we developed a very close bond and now to this day Sean is one of my you know, one of my good friends. But you know, there was a time period where I like, strongly disliked this dude.

You know.

And you know, I don't know if you guys ever had that coach before, you know, that coach that yells a lot, and you know, for me, you know, I was just one of those guys where I did not like coaches that yelled, you know.

But Sean is he's a good coach. So let me tell you crazy something crazy about you talk about Katrina. Yeah, a five hour drive.

Doing a regular five hour drive doing Katrina, that drive from New Orleans to Texas, it was twenty six hours. Yeah, that's how bad the traffic was. It's normally five hours. It took people twenty six hours to get there. That was crazy.

It was a or it was such a crazy time period, you know, Oh my god. I mean there was d y when I when I first landed, when they drafted me, they took me on a tour through the ninth ward and there were.

Still houses, dead bodies that had uh s.

What on the outside of the house was a number spray painting on the house with a circle around the people. How many people were dead bodies they found in their house? And so I'm getting drafted, and I'm taking a tour through all of this.

I'm coming from.

La mm from Hollywood, you know, from this you know, y, it's very different here obviously than when you were other places, right, And so you know, for me going to being thrust it into that situation, I right away felt the sense of responsibility, but I also felt the pressure too. Yeah, And so that first year, you know, I think, you know, all of the pressure, you know, I felt like was was on my shoulders to to go and win football games, to restore hope in the city.

And we did that.

So you know, after that first year, like I said, that's when me and Sean really started to I felt like our our relationship improved and I started to see the vision, the purpose. And then a couple of years later,

When you get injured, it throws everything off.

How was that, mic, Cause I know on the basketball side, microfractory guys never are the same. Yeah, Kmark J. Kidd had numbers like a lot a lot of guys. How was that on the football cycle you got a different kind.

Of The doctors told me that I probably had at that time period after the surgery, they told me I probably had like two years left to pay and and so I never forget laying in the hospital bed and hearing, you know, the doctors come in and it was like, yes, herser went great, you know, you probably got you know another year, two three, max, you know, to play in

It hurts, like hell, what to do I'll do for you? Didn't make you did? Did?

Did it go away?

Or do You still felt a little bit of pain with that, because that toward all was superhuman.

For it worked for about the first half, and then that second half you like right back, you know, right back to that pain.

Some people double up, yeah really yeah.

Some people first before the game and then that halfter another one hafter, and so I had to do that a few times as well, just because again you know the pain of getting hit and getting tackled on that knee and it's just not as strong. You're fighting through these injuries, and it's getting swollen after every game, and then you get on planes getting more swollen. You know, it was it was definitely tough.

The lawsuit when you slipped in the stadium with the rams. What happened.

So I was returning the punt.

I was playing for the forty nine ers at this time, and I'm running to the tie line and as I'm running out of bounds, I'm running full speed. I get pushed, so now I'm going even faster, and about it felt like about five yards from the out of bounds was a concrete surface that was slippery as hell. As soon as I stepped on it, my feet went from underneath.

Me slipped toward my ladder moniscus.

I was in your bad knee, already.

On my bad knee. So that pretty much ended my career and that was year ten. I ended up getting another year out of, you know, playing another year, which I really didn't do much, but I was in Buffalo for a year.

But that pretty much ended.

My career because I was already you know, again, it's already the knee that I had been through a lot of injuries with, and then going through that situation of slipping and falling and tearing it again, I kind of knew and I never forget. I'll sit in the locker room when you know, the doctors and we went and got X rays and they were like, yeah, there's probably

They're already trying to replace me. It was tough going through that.

Nobody wants to end their career like that, right, you want to walk out on your own terms.

But you know, unfortunately it didn't end like that for me.

But you know, I I went through a lawsuit with the RAM and uh, you know, we want a lawsuit.

So yeah, that's crazy.

That's kind of a hard way to go out. It is not on your terms.

Your transition post career, You transitioned into media. Uh what got you into that? And how have you enjoyed that?

I always knew that, you know, doing TV, some kind of form of being an analyst broadcasting was was gonna be the next easiest transition for me, and you know, I wanted to do it until I figured out, you know, what was gonna be that next big thing for me, because again I had to I had to get a job at the pay some bills and take care of my family still. And so I had a lot of relationships that I built while I was playing football, and so I would go into Fox, uh NFL Network, some

I think I did that for about three four years.

I did Thursday Night Football with Smedy and with Erv for for about two years, so that was fun. And I transitioned from there over to Fox. We were doing a college football show, Big New Kickoff, and I enjoyed that, you know, I really enjoyed and I didn't think I was gonna like it because you know, when Fox initially came to me, I was like, why would I go

Just pain and trauma.

And they convinced me, you know, to do it, and they wanted to build a show around me, which you know gave me some confidence, and you know, we did it for a couple of years. We got to the point where you know, there are ratings were competing with ESPN game Days, College Game Day, and when you think about that, you know, College game Day is a godfather love all this.

You know, we talk about college football, college basketball. They basically created it.

And so for us to be able to compete with those numbers in our first three four years of inception was great and was big, and so I since I've stepped away from it because I wanted.

To focus on my own projects and one of.

Those projects is documentary also this lawsuit. You know, when they saibl A, I wanted to go back and get my Heisman Trophy and I just had things that I needed to go get done. And I felt like if I didn't put the time and the focus and the effort into it, then it wasn't gonna get done, or it would just get drug out another you know, five to ten years. And so that's kind of where I'm at right now. Man, It's just working on my own projects and and things that you know, I want to do.

Talk to us how you picked up golf and how much you're enjoying that.

Man, You know, golf is has really helped me in a lot of ways. Because again, I can't play football at high level anymore. I don't really have that arena where I can go compete anymore. But you know, there's competition on the golf course, right and you host your own charity golf trman every year, and you understand what.

It's like to hit that perfect golf shot.

Right when you hit that one good golf shot, it takes one bad one that takes that one, and it just captures you, you know. And so I found the sport, you know, through my teammates. We were playing, competing, talking trash, betting money, and you know, it right away captured me. And I think there's also something about you know, being on the grass too. You know, for me, its just it speaks to me. It speaks to it speaks.

To my spirit.

And so golf has really given me something to uh. You know, I always feel like when when we retire, you know, from our sports, you know, you we go through this period of you know, who am I now?

You know? What am I gonna be?

What am I gonna do now? N you know, I'm still young enough to be an athlete, butad of you, but I can't.

I can't play that sport anymore.

And so golf has really given me an opportunity to be the athlete still. And so I play a lot of golf, you know, I I my I trained my kids, you know, I coached them in golf. You know, we have our days per week every Tuesday we go out when golf. We'll go to Balboa golf Course, yup, and just you know, mess around and play golf.

You know.

But it's it's been amazing. It's been it really has. It's been amazing for me.

Talk to us about what you're wearing, this this this partnership.

Yeah. Man.

So by the way, I'm an excel but go ahead ya yeah, thanks too.

So you know, we talking about golf and my passion, my love for golf, and you know, I've been focused on building a lot of business in golf, and one of those is in the fashion industry.

And and so I've I got a.

Chance to link up with Travis Matthew, which is a brand that's f focused in golf, and I think, you know, it organically started from there. They have ah a love and a passion for golf, and so do I. And I saw a space where I felt like I can offer you.

Know, some uh some design.

You know. I want to be able to design my own clothes and design, you know, my own golf clothing. And so Travismanth gave me the opportunity and it's been awesome, man so far. So this jacket has been one of the top sellers right now for Travis Matthew. We designed this, you see, you know, and my whole goal, you know, with our outfits is to design outfits, and so I want to take all the thinking out of it for you.

I want to go in there, I see outfit, Yeah, let me get that right there. I'm done.

And you know it really is it's taking that mindset of you know, let's simplify this thing. You know, for men and especially guys on the golf course. We should also want to look good on the golf course as well, right, and I see too many guys that look horrible on a golf course, no style, no fashion, no sense or nothing, no swag, And you know, I want to I want to build that man.

And so I felt like that was a space where I could create.

And uh so this is the first drop.

We got some new fire.

Stuff coming out though in September. Let me make sure I get all your size on the.

Golf course eights.

Yes, don't even play I look out there.

But also too, I mean obviously something you may not want to touch on, but the obvious thing is just that the explosion in black golf again, yes, and kind of crossing that brand over into that genre.

Yes, that's huge, That's that's huge.

You know, you see all so many athletes right football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, you know, athletes playing golf at a high level. You know, I played in the Americans the American Century Golf Tournament. Every beer in Lake Tahoe, and that one is filled with just who's who, Who's who right the top of retired to current you know athletes.

You know, Steph Curry played lights out last year.

I mean this guy hit a hole in one I cann't and he had that crazy yeah yeah he and seeing you know guys like that you know, guys like him, Michael Jordan's you know, was probably one of the first, you know, big name athletes to to to.

Really step into golf games. Exactly.

That's crazy, bro, that's crazy.

To go play thirty six drinker most cigarsping McDonald's.

Yeah, that's that's crazy.

And go ball out.

Yeah.

What's your handicap right now?

I'm now four point five.

Serious, I'm working.

I'm working on it. You know, I want to get down to a scratch. That's my goal.

And and again I want to I want to. Like you said, you know, there's there's more, you know, black athletes and people of color that are playing golf now more than ever, More than ever. Golf is at its peak as far as you know, the amount of people that are playing the sport. Even since COVID the number went up even more.

Because of that time.

Period, we were forced to social distance, and golf was only sports social distance.

You know what I'm saying.

You can get out, you can be away from people you hit your shot, you know.

What I'm saying.

And and so we've seen the sport.

Really grow over these last few years.

And I just love the fact that there's so much so much more of us on the golf course because we play golf different.

We talked ship money.

Let you know.

Let you know, if you hit a bad shot, we're gonna have.

You know what I'm saying. And and and that's what I love about our culture and the way that we do golf is we.

Do everything different.

We do everything with more style.

Yeah, we do.

We bring styles. Yeah. So that's all I want to do, man, I want to bring some style to the golf. I love it. I love it.

Quick hit is man. First team to come to mind. Let us know.

Top five running backs in the NFL right now.

All right, so let's start with Christian McCaffrey. Okay, let's start with him. Be balling out right, gang.

See.

I still I think Sequon is gonna ball out this year.

I do.

I think with the Philadelphia Eagles this year, I think Saquon is gonna have a year because you match him up with a dual threat quarterback like Jalen Hurts, and that's just.

Gonna open up everything.

Fill the box on him. No more.

Three I'm gonna say, Jonathan Taylor, and this is you know, I don't know if I don't have this particular order I'm just naming the running backs.

But Jonathan Taylor, young guy.

Got to know when I was doing the College Football Show, got to interview him earlier. I watched him a lot in college, and I loved his run game. I loved how physical he plays the game, how decisive he is as a running back. Is one cut and he's getting up the field for the Colts. For the Colts up John Ta Taylor. So he's another good one. Josh Jacobs with Oakland Raiders.

Or Veders, the Las Vegas Raiders. But yeah, Josh Jacobs is a beast man. But he's in Green Bay now.

Josh, He's in Green Bay now.

So he's in Green Bay now.

So I'm interested to see how that plays out for him in Green Bay.

Jones went to the Detroit There's another one too, a bigger one, dude.

Yeah, oh yeah, like skin guy. Yeah, I like to talking about Yeah, how many is that? Four? Yeah?

Four? Josh Jacobs.

Cole's Christian McCaffrey. I said, Kwan, I'm I think Derek Henry is gonna have a year this year.

I think I really do with that. And he's got something that he's never had before with Lamar Jackson. And you know, Lamar Jackson, he's used to having a good run game. You know what I'm saying. He used to used to have a good run backs. But you know, Derrick Henry.

Is a different beast, you a different breed, bro.

And you give him that kind of space that again they playing space. You can't one running one of the linebackers not gonna stop him, right, you know.

What I'm saying.

So it's it's gonna be pick your poison. And I love seeing him team up with the Lamar Jackson. So those are my top running backs that I think are gonna play well this year.

One album, no skips.

Oh damn, okay, this that's hard bro.

One album, no skips. I gotta take it back to Park, Thank you. I gotta take it back to Park. If I'm gonna one album no skips.

Yeah, it's gotta be a what's your guilty pleasure? Okay.

The strawberry ice cream strawberry ice First of all, I wasn't a big, big sweet guy. But I don't know if it's like when you get older and it just somehow hits you at some certain.

Easy to get.

To eat them as much I've been smashing this strawberry ice cream from Oh my god, it's a spot called uh, I can't think of the name of it right now, but it's a strawberry balsamic viniagarette ice cream.

What really salt and straw So you knew it.

You go to some straw strawberry strawberry?

What what.

Strawberry balsamic vineigarette is it?

And know they had this ice cream? We got to pull up there.

Actually kind of mad they got rich they had this ice cream.

It was a bowberry.

It's a strawberry ice cream with banana bread inside of it.

Off that sounds right to me? Won't ice cream is wrong? I don't want to be like so this is what I knew.

I get the strawberry and then I go to the grocery store and I get some banana bread and I mix it up with the with the man of last.

That's my pleasure.

Three pounds, right, I want to pull up one thing. You wish you were better.

At one thing? I wish I was better at tennis. I wish I was better at tennis because right now my daughter is a beast and I can't hang with who get right there? She's nice on the tennis court. And you know, tennis is a sport I picked up with my daughter. I've always watched it, been a fan from a distance, but now that I started playing it, I fell in love with it. And you know, just

Yeah.

Well, now I'm playing tennis, I'm like, I don't like fickerball. Yeah yeah, because it's like, yeah, it's like a short rifle. But ping pong table tennis, that's my game. And we had that in the locker room everywhere. I'm sure y'all had it too.

I didn't play it though, I'm not good, but I played it.

I'm not good though.

One guess, if you could see one guest on our show, who would it be?

But you have to help us get your answer on the show, okay, uh.

I feel like Reggie is Good would be one of the guests that will help us.

I mean, but I feel like you're already gonna have you already gonna know this.

I feel like you got here, snoop, We already a couple of times.

Yeah, uh, he said, A couple of names, A couple of.

Names, Alex, Yeah, what about Matt get Matt here, Lindell.

Even PC, PC, p uhc if you dope? Who else? Great?

PC talk on DMS every once in a while. He's still in the l A.

I think he's okay.

But another guy I played with I think.

Would be great Calvin Johnson. Oh yeah, CJ would be great and I played, uh Calvin in my opinion is he's the best receiver I ever played with. M Yeah, but you see this dude play in person. He's same height as you guys, but he runs a.

Four to three ye four four months.

And when he jumps for the football, ain't nobody. I mean, we we played uh one game against the Bengals and hopefully get y'all can go back and look this play up. It should be on YouTube or something like that. Stafford, I was with the Lions. Stafford literally launched the ball up in the air. It's three defenders around him, three people around him, the safety, two corners.

He jumps up, snagged the ball right over the top of him, and I was like, I think earlier, I think I saw something on the ground wheel was like they shouldn't. It was like fucking Calvin down there somewhere, down there, somewhere, he down there somewhere, And but playing with this dude.

Man, it was a treat for me because you know, I had never played with receiver for one that big, that tall, but also that was also that athletic and that can do so many different things. You know, it was fast and it was just you know, he was I think to this day, one of only receivers that was literally.

Getting double team off the line.

They was playing him like it was a punt, double team and off the line, Like that's crazy to say that were going jam double team, jam.

Guy and everybody else.

Yeah, and and let anybody else he'll still do it. And he was off the tree.

Dog.

That's dog, Reggie man. We appreciate you.

I'm glad that you're you know, you're coming out and and and speaking your truths and and and righting the wrongs that have been done to you because for so long, like you said, you let that ship kind of just go.

Yeah, and we're happy to hear that you're you know, things are going well with the production company.

We didn't mention docs coming that's gonna be fire.

Whatever you want to do a I'm gonna.

Show y'all uh not on camera, but I'll show y'all the real Yeah. I try to see that, but it's gonna be fire. Man all y'all in the world.

That was not Reggie and Boars in the Hood. Okay, I thought it was in for a long time. It was not Reggie, and the dude had him a five.

I think, Man, well that's a rat, Reggie Bush.

You can catch this on the All the Smoke Productions YouTube and the DraftKings Network.

Man, we'll see y'all next week.