Michael Rapaport | Ep 66 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

But that was a low key dish. I know I didn't get intri but he said, he said, I see your hands a nice and dry. Yeah. Them used to be first season, the first day swamp nuts hands over here to get to the lights. You know you're a little nervous. Yeah, tell you've done this ship before, so white man. I didn't want to let that just go on. You know what. I'm glad you're here because normally nobody everything. I laugh at everything because everybody miss Matt as Matt

just as sleek as you might. Welcome to the man and one of my favorite people. Man. I got a chance to meet them. Been a fan of him for a long time, although I feel like he played Remy too well and higher learning. We're talking about that ship later and Mike Rapp, Baby, I don't even feel like a guess. I feel like I'm just I mean, I just I love you guys that I love the show and I'm so not surprised that you guys are banging

and doing your ship. You've been in the locker rooms with the uncessed Top with me, so you know what the Big Three, I mean this guy yeah smoking that locker like NBA locker room and we and we had great yeah we yeah, I mean there was me and him. It went viral, had a little ghetto get it back before the game. That'sh I hope the Big Three comes back because that ship was fun. Fun as funk. I

have so much fun doing that ship. Like I said, we're on the bus sometimes I'll take I'll hit you ride with the team and I'm like, all right, I'm in. I'm in the NBA likes and like everybody's just hanging out like this before the game and like what do we do before they get Like I feel like it's like a part of the team. Man, I'm like I'm on the team. Like I'm like, what are we doing today? Coach? At the end of the day, the whole Big Three as a team because we all ended together. It's fun.

It's so much fun, so much fun for me. So one thing I want to start, Man, where we're at currently in this country. You're one of the most outspoken people on social media. Um, you know, you really speak your mind. I appreciate and respect that people laugh. I mean, you have people rolling them just about the way you go at our former president and his family, you know. I mean for me, I've never I'll be totally honest, and I'm sure it's similar with you guys. I never

spoke on politics. I never knew anything. I never gave it a second thought. I didn't I didn't uh speak on uh Barack. I didn't speak on Hillary. I didn't speak I didn't even speak on Trump, Hillary election anything before that. Before I didn't care about politics, and I never crossed my felt It is like, you know, most younger, dumb motherfucker's like, this is just some ship. You know,

some corny ship. Has nothing to do with me. The thing about Trump that has made me well, the one thing that's been good about is I have learned a lot about politics in the last He forced me, and he forced a lot of people, and he forced a lot of people to vote that felt the same way as me. And that's why he fucking lost. That's why he fucking lost because a lot of people publicly and Joe Schmos on the corner who never paid attention, we're like, oh,

funk this ship. But for me, because because but for me, it was just you know, the reason why I talked so disrespectful, disrespectfully to him, and it's and it's people know that it's different than when I'm talking about an athlete or the Knicks is because he's he's so disrespectful. Hey, it's so disrespectful. And and I'll never I can't imagine ever. Like, we have the new administration coming in. They're gonna do some things we like, they're gonna do some things we

don't like. Don't be fooled into thinking I got the COVID test, by the way, don't be fooled in to think that they're not. But but it won't be done in a malicious way. And the the divisiveness, the divisiveness is unforgivable and and the continuing of it to this day where you're playing games where you're not leaving, you're gonna leave. You lost, no bitch, it's no bitch. You did lose, bitch, And you are gonna leave. And if you don't leave on your own accord, you're gonna get

dragged the funk out with decip tize. Okay, And and your people ain't doing shit. There's not gonna be any fucking civil war, um and on mark on January one, you're not gonna be there, so you can continue kicking all the Willie Bobo bullshit your kick until then. It's it's a it's a form of emotional terrorizing. He's terrorizing us. He's terrorizing You're not gonna leave. No, you're gonna can leave.

Your fucking your daughters leaving your two bumbass sons are leaving your fucking miserable wife is leading to a leaving whatever it is, and and and but like the language that I use is because it's just it's just genuine Like I don't appreciate the disrespect that don't appreciate the way he speaks to people. I don't appreciate the nicknames. This is not basketball, This ain't three on three, This ain't football, This is not snapping, This ain't comedy. This

ain't uh any of that ship. You're you're giving people nicknames. No, I got a nickname for you. You're not fuck that like you know? And and and it's not like I think, um, I know, I like, I do know a lot more about politics than I did. I don't consider myself an expert or anyway. But it's like just to be presidential, you have to be at least presidentially. Something is so low he said the bar solo and and some people said, well, you say you you're just like him. I go, I'm

a fucking actor, comedian. I ain't the fucking president. And if it was the president, I would behave in a way that that serves the job, Like what the fund is wrong with you? You're crazy? And so that that's what it's brought out of me. And the first time we were actually doing the Big Three when when I really went nuts. The two things that got my attention when he disrespected McCain and he said, I like my prisoners of war not to be capturers, Like what the

funking you? You're a draft dodger, You're a piece of ship, You're a bitch, yo, You're if if we're playing ball, be like I got this motherfucker. You score. You're a bitch ass motherfucker and I'm gonna post them up. Give me the ball, this bitch ass motherfucker. This guy all day like you're that dude, and and so to insult somebody McCain. I didn't know nothing about McCain. I still don't know anything about it, but I know he went to fucking war, he was a there's a um locked

up abroad on him. You're a fucking draft dodger, so you're crazy. And then the Charlottesville ship, like, yo, it doesn't take much to say these people are fucking crazy. And if you are so desperate to endorse them and you need those votes, fuck you. Fuck you. And then that was during the Big Three when I was like with the charlettes Field ship, because when you start talking about, you know, Jews will not replace us and and and and all this crazy ship, I'm like, yo' I'm not

That's just how I am. Like, I'm not gonna sit there and be like not saying thing. And some people, why are you doing that? I'm like, why aren't you doing it? Why aren't you saying something so that people like President that what the fuck? Who normal person would say that ship like I mean, so, it's just it's just been so frustrating and and and you know, and the way he tries to stir people up. And that's why I just stay on him because I'm just like,

you're getting the funk out January twenty, motherfucker. And you know you're getting the funk up. So package shit, okay, or have whoever else you need to package. Ship. You're never coming back. There ain't gonna be no portrait. So you're fatast. There's no freeway, there's no bridges, there's no airports. You're fucking you're you're you're a ship stain on this country and really on the world. You're an embarrassment in bed to. One thing he did I think is he's

it's almost a line drawn in the sand. Now like before you said, you know, whether you're engage in politics or not. Before, if someone else wanted it was never like, okay, well he won. Now it's almost like the other side. And that's what I don't like, because I really agree. You know, there's still over seventy million people who voted for him. I agree. So and I'm just on something and I'm just like you fuck this funk that fuck him.

But at the end of the day, if we're ever gonna progress, I agree, we have to know what those seventy million people saw a thought and why, And I'm sure they want to know what about us because you know, Biden Hairs both have spotty records, so I think. And then there's people like Jack that kind of feels like the system has been playing us, is always gonna play us, so fucking so to me, those three worlds need to collide. I totally agree up because we're like your damn if

you do, your damn if you're don't. So people look at us crazy because we voted for Biden Herris. People might look at Jack crazy because he didn't vote. People look at people who voted for Trump like so there's no real win here. So to me, fucking everybody that has to be like we somehow have to kind of come together and figure out like what is and to just to dismiss every single one of those seventy million people that voted for Trump as as a racist. You're

fucking stupid, can't you can't. I guarantee you one of them seventy million, I know, and I with I guarantee you someone that I might not know, but I guarantee you it's one of them. Seven million. We have a lot of them. We have to listen. We have to listen because okay, Biden Harris one now, there's gonna be four years, whether it's Tim, whether it's the next person. And and we have there seventy million people don't come

out for no reason. There's not seventy million million people that are like, I hate black people, I hate Jews, I hate this. That's why I'm voting. It's not that simple. And I've said that on social media. People like, well, you know, like they want to castrate me. I'm like, I'm I watch all that ship, I watch Fox News, I listened to Ben Shapiro, I watch all the news places. First of all, they're all the same fucking thing. It's

literally like and and these are my guys. It's literally like skipping Chin and we know that skipping Shannon don't fucking like Skip doesn't hate Lebron as much as he says, and stephen A doesn't. You know. It's like performances, you know what I mean, And those news people are the same thing. But you have to watch. It's like you have to understand. It's like, if you're playing another team, don't you want to see what the playbook is? Don't

you want to hear what their huddlers doing. So I watch it all and and in turn it it's helped me understand a little bit more. And it's not about the people who voted for him. For me personally, it's that motherfucker. It's it's just and like and I'm just like, don't don't you people that voted him, don't you have standards? Like don't you want to hold him to some standards? Like he's just talking crazy? Like okay, you're Republican, God bless you, but you like this is this is your guy.

This the best you got. So you know, it's it's been interesting and and and it's, uh, it's I definitely feel like, you know, I appreciate the the learning about it. And I mean, and like I was saying to Jack, I mean, this year has been so fucking crazy, you know, on so many different levels, starting with Kobe, which we thought would how could anything get so more like shocking?

And then it's like that feels like it's happened ten years ago, Domin and and you know, and all the racial stuff and you know, and and it's just been one thing in the Corona and then not Corona and you know, real, not real, it's just been has been a motherfucker. Man. When we look back, like this is

gonna be a pivotal part of history, for sure. You know, we're we're we're smack dab in the middle of it, and we're still getting killed by police, Rappers are getting killed each other, killing each other, like continuing to get and I mean to think, yeah, I mean, and don't be fooled, you know, because I voted for Biden and Harris and you did that. We think that they're gonna say, mother, they're not. This is gonna be a process, and we

don't even know if they're the right choice. But I think we had to get someone out there, like you said earlier, caused so much division in this country, just some decency because these people are not uh Scott free body track. To me, what would encourage me about these two is because they've had such spotty track rerigords to

the black and brown community. Both of them have had their fair share with the crime bill, and and what Harris was doing up north that I think they're going to try to go above and beyond to write those I agree with that. I think they want to fix and and and and hopefully. I mean, it's a long process. It's a lot of fixing to do. It's a lot of fixing to do, and and and at the end of the day, motherfucker's got to start fixing themselves. You know.

That's where it starts. You know, one thing, it's a controversial thing, and I don't know why it's controversial. I do not know why on social media it's controversial. Why when you only on social media. But we were talking about like the reaction on social which is not the real reaction of the role, but the like you saying, rappers getting shot. You know, black people are still killing black people on the regular, and people say, well, that's a part of systemic racism. Okay, Well that's a major

part of it. That's happening in every city every fucking day. So if they go, well it's a part, there's a bigger picture, because well, we need to fix this immediately because there's lives being lost of innocent, not innocent women, babies, and for some fucking reason, I don't know why. I don't know why if it's because a white person is bringing up or it doesn't seem like anybody wants to

bring it up. I don't understand why this is not something that like if we're talking about an issue that's uh, you know, like a fucking pandemic, that's a pandemic where And one thing, you know, that's the first thing with the whole Black Lives Matter movement that people want to point out black Lives matter, why are blacks killing each other? And they and they have a point to an extent,

and it's deeper than this. But one thing that I know for sure is we just need to get out there and work with people and work on the root called advanced piece. And what we do is we work. We're based in northern California where we're building the Sacramento

chapter up now. It's started in rich Man and it's in Stockton with mayor Tubs and it's really it's a program where we get on the ground and actually talk to the shooters and most people who are most likely to be shot, because all we ever want to do is tell people put their guns down, stop doing that, stop doing that. But then what are we tooling them with? Two if but what are you giving them too? So I'm telling Jack put your gun down? But then what like what am I giving you a computer? Am I

giving you a microphone? Am I giving you a camera? Like? What am I giving you? To better yourself or make some money? You know? I mean? So that's what this program is, is, like you said, deep programming them, getting them in this program, setting goals, and I'm allowing them to after they passed a certain amount of months in this program, allowing them to actually earn money, you know what I mean. So it just has to be more ground roots stuff. So we're in California and we're gonna

start going nationwide. But that is a huge issue in the black and brown community, particularly the black communities. Is us killing each other just over some dung? For you guys like especially, I mean, because I know how you get down. I know how you get down. You've been for some reason, God put in the middle of this at six months maybe five five or six months since to George Floyd passing and you guys both being you know, frontline people, people who people, uh know, our real motherfucker's

what's been the biggest eye opener that you've learned? Just about the way this whole ship works. He was really front line. He started the movement. So I think for me, you know that you didn't know or think about the day you went to Minnesota were everything Everything was new to me. You know, I've never been in a position.

I never thought I'd see people riding and protesting and me showing up and people want to tasht up up in my name and my brother's name like that was a mind blowing for me, you know, just to have our back and for eighteen countries and fifty states all the protests from my brother was mind blowing. But I think the biggest thing that blew me, Mike, this was

the day I went there. To two things. The day I went there to speak up for my brother, how many other mothers that needed to Stephen Jackson to speak up for them right, that lost their kids, that they didn't have nobody to speak up for him. Then to going out when I'm doing these giftbacks and giving back to these areas that need, it's all racist that's in these areas that need, that's struggling, that that don't have

nothing right, you know what I mean. So so I inherited not only just black people pain when I go these ghettos and and and tears coming in my eyes because I see these people living and don't have a thing. I've inherited every race pain in the areas where we

come from. So what I learned most is that there's so many people that don't have Mike, that we don't have no room for hate or no room to to to belittle somebody else and not care about the next person, because there's so many people that need we need We need everybody to to to to end this. We need everybody. Do you do when you're out there doing that the hand nouns and stuff like that, are is it like? Because I'm like I would say I want to go, but I can't funk with it because of the corona.

But when you're out there like that ship has to have a toll on you, right, Yeah, you know it has. I mean I've I've gotten many a text them. You know, bro get some rest, taking time, you know, because for like three or four months to tell I wasn't sleeping. I was just doing off my heart And I still don't know what I'm doing, Mike, but I know I'm

doing what's right. And uh, yeah, I thought about COVID and all that, but I think, you know, my my faith in God and me knowing that I was doing something right, bigger than myself, right, you know what I mean. I I just I just had confidence that he was gonna protect me. And fifteen tests in, I haven't had COVID.

But I'm just doing what, you know, what God asked me to do and hoping I'm making everybody proud, not just my people, but everybody proud, because when you're out there like you, you're not like, oh I can't give you. Your people are crying. You got I think the one thing you know that I learned from a difference point of view at me because Jack and I have talked extensively about this, but just the fact that there are really cops out there trying to terrorize and kill black

people had an alarming rate. Like you said, people want to compare with what blacks are doing. You're right, but black people aren't paid to protecting are you know, they're we're doing what we're doing. But there's police officers who are paid to protect and serve. And you see the swat excuse me, the sheriff team and in Los Angeles County with those tattoos about killing black and browns and doing whatever, and the police brutality that continues to you know,

terrorize our and plague our country. And people always want to say, well, they kill more white, there's more white people. That's why they're by you know, by numbers. But on average, blacks are being killed more. And the crazy part is nothing is being done about it. Like I think that George Floyd's situation was so impactful one because it was a real strong, you know, a celebrity voice behind it

that looked just like George pushing it. But we are all sitting down from COVID to and it forced us for eight and a half minutes to watch a man suffer like normally when they take us down, it's a shot and unfortunately lots of time it's death. But you see someone playing for you know, their mom and doing

what they're doing. So it really awoke people up. But even with that said, and you would never the first thing that I said about it, you would never ever and and people go, you would never see a white cop do that to a white man on Lexington Avenue. I'm saying where I'm from in the on the east side of the head. You just it's never happened, and you would never see it, fucking like a fucking animal

and just wouldn't see it. But then if you think too, I mean, there was still that people had enough nerve to kind of justify, well, what did he do before he was on drugs or he don't like he didn't deserve that. No one deserves that, no color, no nothing, none of that, you know what I mean, Like a normal you don't do that to an animal at all, do it? Vic got you know, Mike Vick got crucified for for for doing stuff to animals that that that you know, and then you see this live in front

of us. But it's just a tough time, you know. Like I said, I don't want to get stuck in this area conversation too much. But you know, I just think hopefully things are changed. Has been a hell of a roller coaster, man, and and I think some good things around the brink for all of us. And uh, you know, we just kind of have to stay the course. But let's Shane, just fucking subject. Let's talk about the fucking Lakers. Okay, let's talk about talk about the Lakers.

I mean, you know, long Knicks fans, you want to talk about the Knicks first, talk about get me talk about the Knicks first. Let's let's talk what is wrong with your your team? I mean as a play word for Jackie Jackie Okay, as a player, Uh, you know, it's it's the mecca. You know, it's it's not it used to be. It's not anymore. No, not not not even close. But my re member when we were first coming to league, it's still had the ore. It's died off by far. And it used to have a real

or back in the day. But the energy of the fans and the city and the knowledge of the fans and good basketball, and it just hasn't been that for some. It's a fucking ship show. Maddie Barnes and the trade things started today, okay. And I used to not be one of these, Oh it's the owner. I I used to like, you know, uh like even with the Patriots fun Bob Kraft. It's not it's not the owner, you know. And for years I didn't even jump on the Dolan is a piece of ship thing. I literally didn't pay

any attend. My father was Doland Dolan. Dolan and you'd hear people say, and I'm like, what, Dolan had nothing to do? What are you talking about? These guys ain't shit. We're changing our coaches every goddamn fucking two or three seasons. Uh.

And now I we've we've we've changed rosters. The crazy thing is right now, okay, the season is going to start the December, right, I will have to look at the goddamn roster again and be like, who the fuck are at least eight of these fucking guys, Like like I'm doing some sort of quiz, like a spelling bee, Like if I was doing like a Friday quizzing. This guy heard Frankie cigarettes. We got I mean, this is not a culture. So you know, Frankie cigarette, Frankie nicotine.

But like you know, this this cliche of culture and all that ship. The culture is so fucked up in New York. And when we talk about trades and we talk about like James Harden, they're they're throwing his name around to Brooklyn. They're not even mentioning the Knicks. He's like, oh, he wants a trade. Whether whether or not that's true, I have no idea. The Knicks aren't even in the conversation and this fuck Dolan, he's infected. It's like if the building has a spestos he put a sbestos in

the world's most famous arena, and and another thing. And you guys know this better than I do. You played in New York right, Okay, when you played in New York, where do you live in the suburbs? Right? White planes? Now, for people that don't know New York City, white planes, no disrespect. Is a great place to live if you have a wife, two kids, and you've got kids that are going to school and all, and a dog or

two dogs, actually for two dogs. But when you're twenty four years old, this is not the New York City experience. You go to the games and then you gotta trug your an hour forty five minutes, hour and a half after the game. If you chill out, get a drink, you maybe could maybe an hour fifteen minutes. You not living in New York City. The practice facility is upstate. There's no way like you're gonna be like I want like, if you're a young twenty five year old basketball player, Uh,

that's not the New York experience. Brooklyn. You could you live in Brooklyn, which is a dope place. You practice in Brooklyn, you play in Brooklyn and you're ten minutes away from Manhattan. That's sexy. That's dope, that's fly. No disrespect to the Sacker moms, that's not dope. Nobody wants

that ship, especially if you can choose it. And it's the place they shooted on Oakley and it's the place where they fired this coach and fired that coach and fucking Phil Jackson and the goddamn Derek Fisher and everything, and that was like, I don't even I can't even keep track of the years, but I'm so sick as a fan of of trying to learn these this roster every year. There's no core guys and and and no disrespect to my guy, Russell Westbrook, love him. This is

not a fix Russell. Now, yeah, he'll light up the guard and a couple of nights, we're we're we're fucked up. And they got the Worldwide West and the Leon Rose. These things all sound good on paper. The fucking game needs to be played with you fucking guys and the tall fucking guys that could play and a coach and we're fucked and and to go into the season knowing we haven't played since March uh and and the twenty two December, and like this is what we were starting

up with him. Like I personally love basketball enough where I go, I'm gonna just enjoy the rest of the league. That's why I'm not gonna sit here and be miserable. People like you're at Golden State Warriors games. I go, motherfucking right, at this is Fun's gonna be miserable with the guarden watching these dogs shit. And I flipped on Porzingis when he decided to leave. He was fucking right. I was like, fuck you, Porzingis. I apologize to him and I and k D. He said, oh, it's not cool,

and I said, fuck you Katie that. I said, he's right, He's fucking right. He was right, he was fucking right. I was wrong. And I've come to terms this is like an abusive relationship, being a FA And I know you guys are you don't look at it the same as now because you're part of it. But as a fan, like growing up being growing up in Manhattan with Bernard King and the Knicks and then the nineties teams that represented I know we didn't get the chip, but at

least you could feel proud. Definitely not teams that we could feeling proud of. We have an owner who sits there with his fucking beard died, you know, sitting there with his fat stomach next to you. I mean, he's a This guy's a fucking joke, and and it's every

fucking year. This is New York City, and we feel but we feel you're paying in a different way, you know, like we not might not be from New York and be that hard fans, but as guys who played in Madison Square Garden, as guys who always wanted to do in the season one to go there and play and play against the Knicks, we understand the importance of it, right. We understand its important than the Knicks make to the important Nicks out to the NBA and how much better

the league is when the Knicks are competitive. We understand that. What's your guys like if you say you're one memory of like a great Madison Square Garden experience that you had, whether you were when you were playing or just a

night watching. I would think watching the nineties, you know MJ Battle as Plane was it one gaming Um definitely me playing Golden State I had a real good game there, but also getting a chance to battle against Alan Houston when I was younger, when I first come into the league, the garden in was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. What year was that. I think this was, oh two or three, right were still had hope they won ninety nine, Maybe

it was maybe it's two thousands, my first year. That's sick. When do you feel like it started going wrong because you got rain your course with like you said, you guys went went to the finals at ninety nine with l joke. Um, what was it was great? It was great. It was great, Grandmama, it was bull and I appreciated it then. I don't know when, you know, I was, I was oblivious for years. I was just kind of like, Okay,

it's gonna get better, and it's gonna get better. I have to say that, you know, the Phil Jackson, I really you know, I directed the thirty for thirty to win the Card of Freedom, and and I was so like swept up in the Phil Jackson of it all and that not going well really for me personally, that really it just disappointed me, man. And I was like a lot of people hope they don't gave a lot of people hope. But I even feel like, Okay, they got feel you know, they got a mind there like

this is gonna happen, you know. And then and then phizz and then they and I'm like, what is going to funk on? Here? Man? And then you know, I just can't get on that fucking train. You know, I can't get on that train. I'm hyped for the twenty second. I'm excited about these young guys. You know, I love

the NBA so fucking much. It's so much fun. And like this year under Durest, you know, and I know you guys were played, don't play, But when they got to that fucking bubble and they were playing, it wasn't because they were so focused. I was just like, I mean, that's, you know, what a fucking I appreciate the weird times of being out here in ten am games. It was like fucking march madness. I was like, this is dumb.

And of course I rooted against the Lakers, but that's all part of the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. That's as a fan, that's what you want. When I was there courtside when you guys, huh when do we believe? I was courtside in front of the the the the the iPhone guy, and I watched Jerky Vinsky his fucking face dropped. Sent that motherfucker home with his envy pet trophy, which is probably in a closet. That's not the way to get an m v pet.

This is what the basketball is about. I love that ship. And I was there with you when him You might have been there too. And when when Deray, when they won the first when they won their first championship, when I brought the fucking the broom to Cleveland and then they and then I brought the plunger to fucking Golden State. They didn't sweak them, but then they plunged the motherfucker's back. But I love it all, so I could take the

winds in the losses. It's just it's just I just love basketball so much and and and you know, as a fan, just as a fan of people get all flipped out when I talk my I'm like, I'm just a fan, man. It's just you just have a platform you can express your opinion. They won't, They fucking won't.

Got stuff. I got fucking clay I even I I got fucking Leberne, I got the fucking I mean, I never in my wildest dreams that I think I would be rooting for the Boston Celtics against everything you breathe, these fucking guys, but like I, you know, but I'm you're you know, and the Milwaukee Bucks like I'm cheering, freezing. But that's what you gotta. You gotta diversify your assets when you are a flyer, doper, sexier team, and it's a sexier lifestyle. If I was James Harden, like you

see Kyrie riding on his bike, that's sick. You're riding on your bike in Brooklyn, fifteen minutes away from your arena, and you probably live in some stupid fucking high rise crap and brook that's fucking sexy. If I'm a star player, that's what I want to do, not this fucking soccer

mom ship up players, fucking Volvo, you know station Wagon. Hey, so we had run our tests a couple of weeks ago, and he talked about his nick experience and and how he thought he was allowed to go to the team, and he got drunk and went to famingos and missed the fucking workout. He went to a draft ship with this nick uniform underneath. That's so run our test. What would that have meant to the city though, to get around run at that time, it would have been a lot.

I mean Ron, you know he, I mean he was such a He's a great player and it built around man. He had that goon aspect and he loved New York and wanted to come by the scared players in the league more Toronto. Why because they knew he had a snap but two before the incident. Do you think he was nuts before the incident when they when they knew, when they knew he was crazy? But too he was one of the best players on the court on both strongest Feet's not giving you ship and you cannot stop

him from posting you up. I'm sorry for for a wing player, yeah, obviously six six, six seven to seventy great hands, great feet, great feet, What do you mean just as full work, lateral movement. Yeah yeah. And even if you get bind with he still knows how to get the ball from you. Even if you get fundamentally sound and guard every position on the court, you're gonna get ten points a game from the guy garden and

being scared of him, scared of him, terrified. I hope you don't fall him too hard, hope, I hope you don't do something still, Yes, fuck Jesus Christ. And then and his team is on the sideline hoping that he don't get us a ten text and they're scared for the Yeah, we're scared for us, or going the stands, go on the stands one another. I remember when I was at the Big Three, uh, doing the game and and somehow this didn't get you do you? And the

Oak exchange went viral. Somehow this one didn't go But I remember going, oh, no, Oak told Ron to come out the game, and Ron said, Ron said no, and was like, you can't, that's coming out the game, and and and he walked on the court, remember he and I was right the Oaks right there, and I was like, this is this is not gonna be good. And I mean, who's gonna what's gonna happen? Here? Are you gonna stop him? I'm not doing you want little fucking frame. You know

these are NBA dude, like that ship. I was like, I don't want this to happen. But they did so competitive and motherfucker's are big and you puture you tried, They don't know who's behind you. I was at a different place then he was. He was a kind of different run. But you saw it for a second, click for a second and on the way of the court, like you thought that wrong, gonna come back, like you thought it was for the class. But now Ron came back and was like, you're not disrespect to me, not

at all. Got in his face at the time. Yeah, and then then but but I was like, oh ship, But yeah, I mean, Ron was a motherfucker. I remember. I'll tell you a story. I think it was at two thousand and four. I was at the All Star Game when he made All Star in Indianapolis or with the Pacers. I was doing some ship for the NBA, uh, interviewing players and motherfucker's all ever. Motherfucker's coming in small

like weed, smelling like drinks all the ship. Ron was there working out what's the coach's name, Rick Carlisle for an hour and a half before All Star weekend, doing his ship, doing his ship, and I was like this motherfucker loves basket. He used to get on the treadmill after games for thirty forty minutes and a boy the four or five five speed after games, every game gonna get on the tradmi regardless he played forty minutes, He's still gonna get on the treadman just just either. I

never saw him left Waite. It was always band work and stretching and all that. I couldn't imagine. He's just saw some ship. He just loved playing basketball and the passion for playing basketball. Some people would never understand. We have that. That's why we get him. You know, when I was on this team, I guy all the other stuff. I laughed at it, and I wouldn't have said some of the things that did something. But at the same time, on that court, you want that motherfucker on your team.

You don't want to be scared of the guy guarding you and and he's busting your ass and you can't. I don't want to say not until fundamentally sound. Let's go back a little bit on your journey and how everything came about. What was the vibe of New York in the seventies and eighties. You know, I grew up on the East Side of Manhattan. You know, my father worked at a radio station in New York City. He was the manager of a radio station UM called w K to You Disco in nine seven, and I was

I loved basketball at this point, like disco disco. Nino was the first station in New York City to play disco and then afterwards because it was disco before and then hip hop. So my father in nineteen seventy nine, he would bring home music our whole life. Seventy nine he brought home. Uh, and we still have an orange promotional copy of Sugar Hole Gangs Rappers. The likes he said, this is called rap music. This is gonna be a big thing. Yeah, this is like you know, it was

like call something. You know. It was like, you know, me and my brother would just fucking wore that record out. But for me seventy nine, Uh, you know, I was nine years old fell in love with basketball. Uh. Like you know when I when Larry Bird and Magic played in the n c A title game, I was like, I'm gonna be in the NBA. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm playing in the NBA. And I loved Larry. I learned how to shoot over my head quick from watching Larry. But as soon as he got drafted by the Celtics.

I was like, this moment, I hated that motherfucker. But you know, playing bowl in the neighborhood that I grew up in, it got old quick. So I was like eleven, told people like, you gotta go play somewhere else. You gotta get better, you want to be better, you want to be better, you gotta go somewhere else. So I would go to these other teams in these other neighborhoods, Harlem, Brooklyn, Brownsville section of Brooklyn where Mike Tyson is from, and

you know, you'd make friends. And that was just my fucking journey from eight one til you know, my my my hoop dreams became nightmares. I was just playing ball, listening to hip hop, chasing Chicks, and it was just white dude in you know, all black neighborhood. But hanging out, sleeping over just but when you're so young, you're not

doesn't even crush your mind. But you know, like that experience when I look back on it, like being in Brooklyn and hearing gun shots and like we're like, what the funk and my friends laughing at me because they're so immune to it. When you think about like twelve years old, thirteen years old, and and and they're laughing at me, and they're not batting an eye from gun shots in New York City. How fucking crazy that is.

But for them it was normal. But you know, when I would go like in Brownsville, I remember in eighty three, I went to play ball in the park and I would hear like, yo, Pearl Washington would be out there, World be Free, would be out there. And I remember going to the park the first time I went to this park in Howard Houses, right after fresh out of the playoffs with a bullshit rubber ball no NBA Bowl.

World was out there playing in the park, playing a pickup game, and I'm like, you know, and it's a fucked up court. I mean, like one hoop is nine and a half feet, the other hoop is ten and a half. You know, But like being out there watching World, James Major's, Pearl, Jerry Ice Reynolds, you know, they wouldn't we would watch them play. But basketball and hip hop and just being in the hood was just that's just

what it was. I didn't want ship to do with these I didn't want ship to do with my what with with bar Mitzvah's with any of that ship. Like, I just wanted to play ball. I was gonna be in the NBA, and I just was outside. I mean we were just outside and outside playing playball all day. And you can hoop a little bit too. People don't

know you went to five star basketball. To five star I was I was good, you know, But the separation from when you're fifteen were you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, I was good, but we're like fifteen and motherfucker started growing more athletic and you start seeing people at a six seven. You're like, how old you? You're like your fifteen and I'm like, I'm fifteen two. How the fun you six seven? Like what the fund is going? You know?

Like crazy ship? But but yeah, I went there, and you know, and I remember um when I went to five star. Rex Chapman was my coach, which was bugged the funk out, and I was talking ship to Rex because I was like, yeah, this is about dunking and ship. And I remember also any big other big name, Christian Lightner, Billy Owens. Billy Owens was the one who he was fifteen. I was fifteen. Billy was six six fastest fund and I was like, what the fuck? Malik Silly was there?

Kenny was there. Kenny Anderson, who I grew up with, who you know, I knew he's so underwriting. Man. People don't understand how good Kenny Anderson was. Man. You know I played that motherfucker one on one. He was eleven. I was twelve. I swear to god, he I wish to his video. He was NBA ready, like he was dribbling the fucking ball, like doing all this crazy ship at eleven and then you saw him like a thirteen fifteen. The whole country knew about him, but that fucking left

handed jump shot. But I remember being at five star. Yeah you noticed stroke. He knows this stroke. It's Chris Mullen, Kenny Anderson and Mike Rap. But I remember sitting next to Sean Kimp at some lecture. Sean has a fucking goatee. He's he's a year older than I mean. I'm looking at the Shawan camp be fucking shoulders and I'm like, yo, I'm not gonna be in the NBA. Like I'm just not. It's not happening. This guy six ft eleven, he got a full God, he probably was twenty seven at that point,

and ship like that. But like then I started thinking, like, this is not happening. This is not happening. Um, And then I started thinking about acting and you know, doing other ship. But the basketball and the experience of of of of playing ball and being in the hood and being amongst people and and being you know, the highs and lows and the winning. And it wasn't even so much the games. It was getting to the games, getting on the train, coming back from the games, all that ship,

you know like that. And then when I started acting, that mentality is what I took into auditioning because it was to me, it was like a fight. It still is a fight when you have to audition for you know, like, funk this ship. Like it was like, yo, funck this dude, fun this dude, Like I'm going to you know, that

was my mentality. But that that New York ship was just dope and and and being around you know, the ship that I was around, and you know, the good, the bad, and the ugly of it was just so informative when I look back and it's who I am. It's who I am, you know, and and you know, like so much of the ship that you know it's going on this year, and I'm sure it's been going on.

You know, when people talking about you know, you know, like this this white privilege and black I'm like you just like when when people sometimes when white people or non black people talk about black people, they talk about it like it's a different like it's like it's like you know, like I'm like, yo, just if you don't grow if you didn't grow up around different kinds of people,

that's that's on you. But don't talk to motherfucker's like they're like you're doing some sort of charity you haven't lived, but but don't like it's not like an assignment, like I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna meet some people of color, Like what the fund are you talking about? Like yeah, like you're not going up to people and just how how you doing? I want to I need

some black friends in my life. That's so crazy. It doesn't work like that, and it's it's not everybody's experiences my experience, and it doesn't make me more righteous or not righteous. But when you talk about the experience of New York in the seventies and particularly the eighties, that was a blessing that I had was to be around that ship. And like I said, the good, the bad and ugly, the foul ship, the violence, and and just the the general ship talk because we talk about the

ship talking and then snapping. The thick skin comes from because after playing ball, Like I wasn't the best playing ball, but I was the best of talking ship. Get your earlier on fighting. Yeah, I never got my ass for talking ship. I wasn't much. You know when I when I started going in the hood, I was, I was, I I was I yeah first, you know, talk talk later.

I mean like I like I knew that, but but as far as you know, talking ship, you know, people get offended by like the ship talking in the snap. And I'm like, when you when you're in the hood, there's either like you're either nice with your hands and no one's funk with him. You're either good at ball, you could rhyme, you're a straight dude, you're like like meaning like you're like a nerd, or you're a criminal. I was the ship talker because I wasn't the best fighter.

I wasn't the best ballplayer, but like I was the funny dude, so I wouldn't you know. That was my stuper from people keep people at Bay, you know, you know, so that was that was my ship. What about you know you got a chance being in the Mecca in the eighties, uh, you know, from Bernard King to Patrick Ewing to Magic and Larry Jordan's who are some of your most memorable games? You got a chance to see in person at a young age, Doc in the Garden in eight one, my father got me tickets for the

for my birthday. Uh And and this is when no one gave a ship about the garden. This is basketball so different. You could sneak down. Especially I was a kid, and I remember watching Doc with with the with the knee braces and he had the extra high converse they were like custom made and and and I saw the Doctor j like in scripture on his ship which I was bugging and watching Doc warm up on the on the layup line. I was that was I'll never forget

that ship. And you know, I remember he had the old fucking geriatric kneepads and it was Doc, you know, like Doc was and everything to me like he was. There was no Bruce Lee, there was no batman like Dr Jay. Seeing him in person like I was like, oh shit, and seeing him. I remember I saw Mike at the Garden his rookie year and we snuck down. Also we somehow got on the press thing. You know, we were kids like for like like the fourth quarter

and watching George. George Gurby was honest in George's but George was like, oh, oh shit, like wal Mike was playing and I was so close I could hear and go oh, like, you know, George's talking ship and and seeing that, and then of course the nineties next games. I was never at any of those great games for some reason. I would always miss them. But those experiences as a kid, like Doc and seeing Mike and one time and one time I saw a pisto. This was weird.

I don't even know how this happened. But I saw Isaiah because Isaiah was my fucking dude. Also Isaiah Magic, uh when those those are my guys. But I saw Isaiah in a preseason game playing the Milwaukee Bucks. For some reason, this preseason game and I ran into There was a place around the corner called the Fund is the name of it. Our It was a steak place. It'll come to me, but I I went in there

to take a piss or something like that. And we're twelve, like, you know, we're in the streets, fucking twelve, thirteen years old at the garden, like my father. It's not like now, we bring your kids and we would take a bus down here and train down here walk. I don't know how the funk we got to the garden. I have no fucking clue, but I remember I bumped into Isaiah Thomas in his prime when he had the funked up from and he had some hardass shoes on. They were

like white, you know, some Chicago Detroit ship. But I remember just you know, like oh, you know, like oh ship, you know, like and I met Isaiah. Yeah, I had his poster on my fucking wall. That poster was making the lamp and ship like that. But I just loved it so much, man, I loved I loved it so fucking much. And it was just you know, it never you know, throughout like getting kicked out of school. I

was a fucked up student. But like have you even I didn't come close to making it to the NBA, Like having that goal was something that was good, you know, like at least I thought I was gonna do something so realizing that that wasn't gonna happen. Um, when did you transition? When did you catch the acting bug? When I was like seventeen eighteen and like I was not doing good in school and kicked out of school public school just for being like like I wasn't a tough guy.

There was no fires being started. I was just imagine me, you couldn't tell me shit, you know, like the whole I was the only one. I was all literally the only white kid in my school in Razamshull High School that I went to Martin Luther King High School. Like it was like, like you couldn't tell me shit. I was like, fuck this, fuck everybody, you know. I didn't

raise my hand to goes I would in. The schools were terrible a Razmas Hall High School, the school I went to in Brooklyn was a fucking like the public school system in New York is a fun It's way better now, but it was a fucking joke. I remember being in an English class and there were a lot of Haitians, Jamaicans, um and and and uh you know, Spanish kids in the class that couldn't speak no English.

But I remember looking around counting It was like forty something kids in the class, which is fucking crazy, and twenty two of them didn't speak any English. And I was like, what the fund is? Like, what the funk? You know? It doesn't pick my ship up? And walked out because I was like, what the fund is going? I don't want to be here anyway, Like what kind

of English this teachers? Terrified people are getting their face sliced by razors and ship like that, yeah, I mean, And I was always looked after like people that oh you was. I was looked after like I was white, Mike, you know you like nobody that fun with me. I could play ball, I could talk ship. I wasn't a threat, you know what I mean At the end of the day, I knew what the funk with it, who not to funk with? But you know, like I wasn't a sucker.

I asked the motherfucker anyway. But when I was seventeen, eighteen nineteen, like I started thinking like I want to I wanna um, you know, like I want to like because I loved I loved Dadi m Raphy, I loved comedy, I loved acting, But I never thought I wanted to be the characters in the movies, like I wanted to be Rocky, I wanted to be John Travolta and Saturday Night. I didn't want to do what they did. I wanted to actually be that person. And I loved Eddie Murphy.

Like I would walk around with a red leather jacket. I was nuts to leave my house with a white leather jacket and no shirt on. He like he was just like, get the funk out, like I was bugging, you know, like I would never let myself walk around with a fucking leather jacket no shirt and leave the house and go on the bus in the train. But then I started thinking, you know, like about doing it. And I had a like an eye opening incident. When um in eighty nine, I was nineteen, I was not

doing ship. I had to stay at extra six months in school to graduate. I was with my friends. I had went to this school and uh a long island called Old Westbury, sooner Old Westbury. I was with my friends. One of them who's passed h one of them who just got out of jail for thirty fucking years, and one of them was stolen jail. They were my man,

boob bet, they were they were. They were rough. They were rough, and they came up to my college and I was like, yo, don't don't do ship, don't start no ship, don't funk with nobody, no, you know, because they were like quick, quick, quick trip, quick trip, don't have no nothing. Please please just funk with the girls and let's get the funk out of here. They came up to the school and I don't even know how it started, but it was literally over some what are

you looking at? Ship? And the next thing, you know, like I just they were like, yeah, we're going outside, and I was like, oh funk, I should go outside of outside, and my man boob Bear had just gotten shot. He had staples in his body. Going outside. So we go outside and three other dudes they wanted to fight them, so outside. So we get outside and somehow they got outside first and these motherfuckers started throwing rocks. It was

at a parking lot. They started throwing rocks, and me and this one dude, I don't have any like like I'm not like a good enough fighter to just fight this guy to be some sort of like you're trying to hurt me, trying to funk with my bitch, something like that like, we're just I'm just fighting. I'm tied up with this fucking dude, and these dudes are throwing rocks. My man's got staples in his legs. One of them's

got a bottle. I'm like, what I haven't. I'm a white Jewish kid from the Operatide, like the white privilege came out of me. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So then this dudeter tied up. I see a guy coming this way running and throw Rocky hits me with a rock boom in my face. So I had this scar here, you see it. So I could feel blood running down my face. I'm like, oh, Ship, So I get this dude who I'm tied up with as my face is, but I throw him on top

of a car. I'm hitting him, hitting him, and somehow another my arms got, my weight was on top of him. His head is next to my head. This motherfucker bit my fucking ear. He bit my fucking ear. Fight that was some while, and I said to him, you're biting my fucking ear, Like, Yo, that's some sucker, Ship, You're biting ears, Like what the fund is you're doing? You're biting my fucking ear, and I got up off him and like, I could feel blood coming in your blood

coming here. I couldn't feel my ear. But at this point I was like, I'm gonna be a stand up comedian. But then I thought to myself, how could you be? I literally thought to myself, how could you be a stand up comedian with one fucking ear? So we get in the car. They're like, yo, these dudes are rough dudes. Like I'm like, yo, my ear, my ear, My man had just gotten shot. They're laughing there, fucking asses off. I go to the hospital. They dropped me off. We're

in the rent a car. They wanted whatever the funk, And I've been in the hospital for twenty I called my father next morning. I tell him what happened, and he because I had gotten in a few little instants, he said to me, I'm afraid the next time you call me, they're gonna tell me there's a bullet in you. And I was like I'm done. Like I was like, I have to I'm done it. I'm done. Like I'm finished. I'm walking around fucking like half a year scar think.

And then I was like, I'm gonna go to l A and make you know, be a stand ud, be a stand up comedian and become an actor. And I started doing that and then you know, I just you know, I was doing my ship and you know it was lucky, lucky. I had a lot of attitude, uh and just luck confidence because it come out here and on the on the dream and a wish and makes you happen. Yeah, you had you had to be focused and confident is confident confident And then when I started doing stand up,

they would call me and for auditions. And then when I found when I when I auditioned, the first time I ever auditioned, it was like to play a white kid in New York who grew up around you know, playing ball, grew up around black kids. And I remember looking at the sides and probably the way sports comes to you guys, where you're totally relaxed. I was like a fishing through a fish in the water. Like I was like, there was no inks, there was no nerves, there was no am I gonna make the shot? Like

it was like this. It just like was like when you like it just made sense and that was like this is what I'm doing. I'm act, I'm gonna act. And then I just got lucky. You know, it was just lucky timing and and and the right parts and tenacity, the tenacity to do it. I mean you came to l A, you know, looking to me, and that's what everyone comes to l A for it, you know, and

for you to do it. What were some of the ups and downs, and and and and roadblocks you hit early on your Carency you really felt like, Okay, I made it. I mean I still don't feel like I

made it, to be honest with you. You know, as as far as like being an actor, specifically an actor, because now there's different forms and you know, I'm back doing comedy and I'm podcasting, but like as far as being an actor, you know, there's a few elite elite the Brad Pitt, the Denzel, the Leonardo Dicaprios, where it's like they pick and choose what they want when they want to do what they have a schedule plan out

for the next few years. For me, like, I know, I'm always gonna work as an actor, but you always feel like I'm getting ready to start shooting this show, uh in January. After the show as of right now probably will be finished in March. It usually works out by by the march, I'll have a next my next job as an actor. But I'm not and that's not a good feeling, you know. And I know she will come because you know, like I believe in my ship.

But but but like as an actor, the majority of us are that, like, you don't know when your next job is gonna come realistically, you do know. When I was younger, I would be like, yea, what the funk am I gonna Do'm gonna go broke? Yeah, I'm not what the funk? You know, And now because there's other ship,

you get more comfortable. But the life of an actor, like you know, it's vulnerable because as many you know, chances that you get there's like once a week at this point during COVID there ship you might want, they're like, yeo, they win another way, Like all right, I don't take it personal. When I was younger, you take a person, it's like getting rejected by a chick, you know. But now you just keep you keep it moving and the

business of it. It's like, you know, most of the time it has nothing to do with you, you know, with with with getting parts and not getting Part two, part question right here, your most memorable or favorite TV role. The most memorable TV role, I mean, shit, who fun knows. I mean there's been so many. It's like, if you know, for you guys, you might have played on a bullshit team and a whack team that sucked, you might have

had fun doing it. So I've done some ship where I've had fun, you know, and it's a the end product is whack, but like we had a good time when we're doing the ship. But I would say, yeah, that was dope. The paper Soldiers are dope because of Dame Dash. I knew my whole life grew up playing sports with Dame. Dame wasn't ship. I'll tell him that to his face. And you know, I literally knowing each other since we're like always talk a lot of ship. He asked me to do that, and I was like cool.

And the funny thing about paper Soldiers, this little motherfucker with his hat come backwards comes up to me talking. You know, man, my name is Kevin Hard is the first thing I do is if my first day working on the film said I was like, all right, cool, cool, good luck, And that was one of my movies that was fun doing that. Um, but you know it was dope doing that because of the Dame and the rock a Fella and the whole you know, and like it

was so much excitement. Never would have known, but he was like, yeah, it's my first day working on the movie and ship. He has fucking half backwards and I was like, cool man, you know, just chill out. But I mean it's hard to say, you know, you know, like what it could be whatever. I mean, this show that I'm doing now is fun. Friends was fun, prison Break was fun, you know, and and and that show I hated doing that. People love that motherfucking show. I

watched a couple of times. But but you know, it's the same thing, like you know, people, what people like, and the time you had might not have been dope. I might have had a fucking ball and paper soldiers. Some people like, you know, I didn't see that ship. You know. Some people stopped me about Friends, like it's

like our Brady Bunch. Motherfucker's ten years old. You're a guy from Friends that they watched that ship like um, and then movies it's it's you know, Copland was dope because to work with stallone and and too you know, like when I had you guys both in my podcast and I was like, Yo, the first time you guarded Kobe, you know you're like, I mean, you guys were contemporaries with where when you when you're actually out there with Mike or somebody that's not your boy. When I'm acting

with Denier. That's why I'm so fascinated with that, Like because it's athletes when you're like you gotta physically go after somebody that you adore, that inspired you to get where you get at. It's different with acting because you're not competing. But like when I'm out there on the set and I remember the first day of that movie Complain and de Niro's right there and Stallone is right there like you know, like you're like, I'm I'm professional, but inside I'm like, yo, this is this is fucking

bugged up. Like we're shooting in Manhattan, where I'm from, and I'm like, this is fucking crazy. You know, I'm looking at de Niro, he got the mole on his face and Stallone's mouth is drooping. I'm like, Yo, this is you have to really be focused when you do it because she's like, you know, I'm going back in the Trump called my Dad. I'm like, yo, I'm out here with these fucking guys, like I just did this scene with Robert de Niro. UM. So that was dope.

Higher Learning was dope. One of my favorite movies. Crazy Cast, So much fun, Crazy Cast, so much Funah, Regina King, Omar Apps, Um, John Singleton the make Grains because it was like going to work with John Singleton. He was John Singleton was was so encouraging of of of everybody on the set, like he made you feel like, you know, you were the most important part of the puzzle. And when we were doing Higher Learning, you know, you know, the first day that I shot was the day that

I pulled a gun on Omar Apps. Oh no, I breaked the I had. It was some skinhead ship and I'm a fucking skinner and I know I'm like, these motherfucker's are probably looking at me like this fucking guy to hang out smoke with these dudes, busting runs and all them like you know, they're doing their little actors ship. They don't know me, I don't know them, Like all right,

fuck them. You know. It's a predominantly black set, which John was really big on that first He got that from Spike because majority sets, especially at that time, it's white. John had black people doing ship. You just weren't used to seeing black people doing on the set. And we we did it take and I'm like, fuck you and we're this fuck you and we're dead and you know

doing it. I'm riffing that's not in the script of people like what the feast is not in the script and just saying wild ship because I'm and and and he goes cut and it's like you can't hear a word, and then John's like, hell, yeah, fuck you, Mike. He just confidence. He made me feel like, gave me my confidence, but also like do that ship. Don't worry about what the people like, you know, I don't give Yeah, like

we're we're doing that. We gotta go in. But I just remember that cut and then that and he was just like that. But that was you know, we were young. You know, I had just seen Omar and Juice. You know, Tupac was supposed to play the reps character. Leonardo DiCaprio was going to play my character. I was going to play the other skinhead. Yeah, and and it was just

and Cube, you know who. You know, I still bug out that I met the Big Three with c because as a kid, I'm like, that's fucking like I never there's always a part of me that a little bit I never like take it for granted, Like you know, I never try to become too familiar with people are up there ship. But like you know, when I had to audition, John make me made me audition with Cube because they didn't have the part cast the Omar Reps part because the Tupac because he had gotten arrested and

they couldn't fund the movie. He said, you need to come to Sony and you need to do that ship with ice Cube and we're this, and we're then this is Cube with the fucking teeth And I don't know this because he is a nice guy, but he's like, you need to do all that ship with him. And I go down there and I'm like, fuck you funk this fund this? And then he cast me. But when we were doing that movie Bust, these dudes had like

they're smoking trailers Bust the Omar Regina. They went to let me funk with it until like halfway through that they let me funk with it. But you know, like the Skinhead trailer was whack you know what I mean, Like I was cooling. I was skin that trailer with Ship. I wanted to hang out, you know. You know Omar Reps had an early copy of Illmatic. The nas tam that ship. I'm like, what you know, outside his trailer and she's trying to get in there. And Regina king O,

who I fucking loved. I've always loved her, and it was just a dope time. But when you know, when you're that young and you're it's so exciting. And John had just done Poetic Justice, he had done Boys in the Hood, and and You're just like, this is the dream and I'm playing a skinhead like I like, I like people like it was fun. I was like that ship was fucking fun because it wasn't that's the dream,

you know, like you want to be an actor like that? Yes, And I'm cool hopping out of it and after but bust the rhymes and then we're like, what the fun would you like that scene? Right? I'm like, yo, yo, when you made that record, we tried, like you know, they were like, what the fund is up with this? Too?

And Q was quiet to begin with, so I'm trying to start conversation right after I'm like, fuck you man, fuck you and all this show like so yeah, when you made uh that record, He's just like, I'm not He's quiet anyway. So it was it was fun doing that. That's what many prison Break with my ship, though I

never got into. I saw a couple of because the girl I was messing with like prison Break, but I never got into the story was that when you were in the league because a lot of ballplayers, because that was early on in your ear late nineties, early two thousand's prison break, No, no, no, a little later, like a little later, but I remember lot of ballplayers like, yeah, I watch this ship when him on the road. What

made you having success in front of the camera? Want to go behind the camera, I'm ready to whenever you get behind, I'm ready to talk about that later. I'm ready. We could do it. I know you could act the

Tribe documentary. I was such a fan of them and like you know, growing up hip hop, like those dudes were so amongst everybody, you know, Big Daddy Kane, Gang Star, Eric b Rock Camp, Krs One Beasts all that ship was just such a fucking part of my fucking life like that, you know, those times and hearing the music on the radio, and there was no fucking you know, you could rewind it like you heard it when you heard it, and if you you caught, and then those

memories were etched in your fucking head. And Tribe was one of my favorite groups. And when they broke up, I remember I flew to New York to watch their last show and um, I was like, somebody got to do a documentary about Trial Question. And then um, a few years later they started worring again and I said the tip because I've known him from for a long time, que two yo, I want to do a documentary about

Tropical Question. He was like, do it, do it? And I was like, all right, all right, and then we're on a Tuesday, I said. He I had that conversation with him Saturday we started doing the motherfucker, and three years later we made the movie. But I just love doing it like I love doing it. I love the storytelling, I love the dynamic, even though it was dysfunctional, the between those guys, the late grade fife, you know, and

and and everything that came along with it. And I'm just so even though we did we had, we got into it making the fucking movie. Me and Q Tip. We we got fucking into it. I'm glad we got it done because he passed away. And uh but but I love doing it. I love doing the when when the Garden was eating thet I love that ship like I was a fucking kid in the candy started doing that ship. You know, I got to go down to uh, you know, down south and interview Willis Reid. I'm in

his crabby got on his hunting ship. I'm like, what the fund is? This is crazy? You know, Marval ba what I'm interviewing Marvel? Who is it? Nick? He's another reason why fucking Dolan is a piece of ship. Dolan is a piece of ship. How could you fire more about he was a boy, he was a ball boy for the Knicks when he was a kid at the old ship Hole Garden. And he made a constructive criticism and Dolan fired him. When I found that out, I was like, you're fucked up. It's not like he said

some crazy ship like me. He just made a constructive criticism. You fire the fucking Marv Albert. That's another turning point where I was like, fuck Doland Dolan, Who I mean? You got to interview some some legendary people for that. The most bugged out one Jerry West. Because Jerry West. Yo. But let me tell you something, I swear to God, like I went to go get him from the practice facility. We were like connected to the hotel and I'm like, okay,

Jerry West, okay, cool. And as we're walking on and this is when Kobe just had the Achilles injury and I was like, you think Kobe's gonna be all right? He was like, I'm not talking about Kobe. I was like, I'm just we're not We're not even in the cameras. And I was like, no, he goes, I'm not talking about Kobe Bryant, not talking about Kobe, just here to talk about the Knicks and Lakers. I was like, Oh,

this is gonna be fun. So when I started talking to Jerry West about the losing to the Knicks, this fucking guy started tearing up. This is forty years later, like he got like it was like he had post traumatic stress disorder or something like. When he started talking about them losing to at the Garden and the you know, I brought it to earlier when they lost to them, when they lost to the Celtics, and they had the

fucking balloons up there. My man was like having flashbacks on me and ship like that to the point it's like are we done? You know, I'm like this Jerry West and he's like, are we done? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yea, where we're done? He just that ship bugged me out. Jerry West told me some ship. And I know you guys know him differently, but but he told me some ship.

I was man before the pandemic hit. I had these this ship that I took up to the Clippers facility and stay for a little bit and we started talking to Jerry West and the ship he told me. I don't even know how we got on and bro, but the ship he told me about the early eighties teams he was coaching with the Lakers and the ship that went down. I was my fucking jaw dropped and I couldn't believe he was just telling me like it was nothing like nothing like we can't even talk about it

on here. It was so you can't talk about right.

It was so ill. I'm like, what it's like, this is all this has happening while you're the coach and these are your this is I'll tell you what, the brother ship blew me away because I wanted him to come on the podcast, but how freely he told me this show, Like, no, I don't want him to kind of spill some ship that might some people people if you're a certain age of like Mike should be the logo, and of course Mike's but was the motherfucker motherfucker was coming.

We went back, I think the words that brought us back for something. And I was walking through the hallway after the game and I didn't even see him, but I see a crowd, so I'm just kind of move to the right, and he grabbed me. Hey, motherfucker. I loved you as a player. My first time to meet Jerry West, he pulls me, hey, motherfucker, and so you know, so you know what that meant to me. I'm like, oh, ships, yeah, you know what I mean. So that that's my only

experience to me. And he's big, he's big, big, and I never saw him play live, but like he got the swag of a ballplayer. He died. I don't think he like how you walking talking? Yeah, he's I mean, fucking Jerry West. You know you look at he was busting motherfucker's asses and ship like that. That that was

cool doing that. And then you know, when I was doing the Try movie all the hip hop dudes, it's just like what I'm interviewing you guys for the ship, Like I'm like salivating, you know, and I'm they're like walking me through. So that's how we all we have a guys like you were learning about our guests as well. We learned, were learned stuff that we've never known, you know what I mean. So and we also a fan of you, right, so you know what I'm saying, I

love that ship, like I fucking love that ship. And and you know, like I just so when when you're doing docs, I mean, it's similar to a podcast in a way. Obviously it's a little bit more there's more ship. But like when you're getting those gems and you know, when you guys are interviewing so and so and you're getting those little this is gonna be. That's gonna be on Instagram. This is gonna be when when we hear

say that was gold. We know the nineties and two thousand's style of play and energy around the NBA compared to now. Listen, things gotta change. Things gotta grow. Things evolved, you know, but I think the defenders are at such the mercy of the people with the ball. And the reason why you're seeing motherfucker's defending guys falling down on a regular basis is because they literally have nothing to hold on to. It's like ice skating. You didn't see

Tim harrowing. I mean a K Sally you'd see this, but these dudes were stupid with it. But you could hang on to something, you know, the no contact the lack of contact um and and I love the steph and I love the threes, but but there's I don't know what the answers. There's gotta be a middle ground

offensive game. Now. It's just fucking sometimes and like I love the Warriors, but sometimes I'm like, or all these other teams, like the Houston, like just you mean, you're shooting threes up the fucking every fucking and from fucking twenty ft behind, Like it's cool. Sometimes I'm like, what the fund is this ship? And you know, these guys get to the basket so freely all the time, whenever they want, and they're all great. And of course James Harden would play back in the days and all these

dudes who play. But you know, but Shaq with motherfucker. I remember playing with Shaq and if a guard was ever killings like let him come to the paint like Shaq with lay something, Shock with l James out Shack with Steff Shoate like that. Yeah, like that kind of stuff, Like it was just known because it was a more physical game. So if someone's rocking, let him get by you. I got him, you know what I mean, And then you'll think twice about coming to the paint next time.

But it's the way different now. It's it's it's different and and and you know, like I said, it's good, it's change is good. But and I'm not diminishing anything because these guys are stupid, but but I just feel like, you know, there's gotta be some something something the defender can do. And and uh, you know, seeing these just the launching of the threes and Joel Ebad, I'm like maybe I don't understand, Like I just feel like if he just committed to being down there, nobody could guard this.

When used to shoot threes, it was cute. It's the same thing, right, you know what I mean, Like, oh, he should get your fucking ask down here and get thirty and twenty a game like or because at this point, like yo, you and your man uh the new captain light skin Ben Simmons down there, like yo, you guys are your career is being defined. You motherfucker's are not winners not. I don't know. If you don't like each other, you up to each other's girls. I don't know what

it is. But to be that good, you're gonna look back and be like I had an opportunity to play with him, play with him? What is this ship? Most of the time, when you have a point guard that that can't hit a spot up three and your big man demands double teams, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard to win. If you had guards with Tim Duggan David Robson, they couldn't shoot, you can just double them. So some kind of way. Either Ben has to work

on the shodow. They gotta switch that up because he's and beat his too dominant to paint to not have a guard who they can just sit in the paint on him and the right JJ Reddy was the worst thing that they let let go. All their shooters. They had ilios over. They had a handful of shooters they let go, and that was their fault, and they made it tougher on being and tougher on on on Vangil world. But how much fun could you talk about the eighties and nineties? How much fun did because we were in

the fucking throws of it? Did you guys have watching the last dance? I was dying. It was like a behind the scenes like not to controp that that was Instagram for us because now either so much access to everyone's life, lebron ship and see none of that from Mike none. You saw Mike the player, that Mike the owner, and then Mike the shoe salesman, and see nothing in between. I was bugging off of that ship. I cried, I got chills. It took me I had I was emotional

rollercoaster on that ship. I loved it, and it brought back feelings because I've tried to bury the feelings you're talking about going to the Knicks. And I acknowledged him to his face. I told Reggie Miller after he retired, I saw that motherfucker in a sushi restaurant because I used to talk ship did and and not like Spike, but I would, I would talk shipped to that fucking guy. And he said to me in a you're done, You're done talking ship. I said, I'm sucking done, man. I say, yo,

it's respect love you. He loved it, though loved it. We made him Hall of Fame. I put you in the Hall of Fame regime, Spike Lee put you in the old thing, because without that, you were good. We took you to the next level, me and everybody in the fucking guarden. But when I saw that my stance and he's up there with them fucked up teeth, and you got money, and you've been on TV and and and I was having flashbacks. I was like, fuck you, Reggie Miller, and I'm not gonna be nice anymore. I'm

just not gonna say anything to him. I can't stand you. I never could stand you. I didn't like your fucking teeth. I hated the fucking pacers. You made me fucking sick. But I had like I was like I had. We made me relive my feelings of hate for that motherfucker. I hated that motherfucker's I hated Mike during because he fucked he sucked my team up. But but I could still I could still appreciate because I did love him. At some point. I never loved that snaggletooth motherfucker, Reggie Miller.

Have you had him on here, he'd be good. He those two shots then against a two threes back to back. What were you thinking at that time? That I just I wanted I hated that. Now. I hated that motherfucker so bad. I hated that fucking guy. And then when they had and he and they made me turn on my guy Mullen, who was like my spirit, the animal, and that was my guy. That was that was my guy, Lefty Slow like that was my like mama was my dude. But then when he went to Indiana, I was like,

I can't funk with you. Can't funk with you or the bullshit haircut? Who was your guy? Who was your one guy going up to playing ball? Like it was your like, that's my guy. If you have to pick one, uh, I would have to say, I think two people. You just got a piping grand hill. I looked at like that. I didn't look at Magic and Jar like like you just were like I was amazed. You love them. I understand,

I understand. I understand, But that fucking that last dance put me through because I would rewatch it in between the next episode. I kept rewatching them. But that fucking when he was up there talking that bullshit, I was like, still man the video when he's when was talking ship in the game, he said, in the locker room the next day, He's sit in the locker room next day with the bat. Don't worry about it, smoking a cigar in the locker room. He said. Anybody could talk. Anybody

could talk when you'll yeah, anybody real man. Hey, that was the scene for me, bro One thing that was ship, Cigar in the locker room, Cigar in the locker room, cigar in the on the airplane, Cigars in the hotel, uh in the hotel like he was, Cigars on the bus, like the Mike. What I saw was like one of my favorite things. Obviously getting a chance to see that, but seeing how competed, like seeing the Kobe ship in Mike or vice versa. You know, you know the play

with Kobe. In the way Kobe approached practice. Now you would fight teammates sometimes man, animal everything. Ever, whenever he practiced, sometimes he was sometimes would get their earliest just get all his work and just watch practice. But the days he did a practice in scrimmage for all the way, there's no coast all the way at it. It's video. It's videos of him talking to teammates. I don't want to practice with y'all. Y'all up, ain't you ain't come

here to work today? You know what I mean? And ship, you see, MJ was the same way he was on that ship and you know people, you know people, Oh he's a fucking ass. I'm like, yo, you think I mean anybody that transcended Marlon Brando, he was a notorious piece of ship to work with, not knowing his lines, showing up, you know, crazy James Brown, fucking shipping on

the band. You know anybody that's that what they do, there's a little bit of everybody like you, right right you just just just any anybody who that's trans Denzel Washington's he supposed to be a motherfucker on set, but look what you get. You're not gonna get that. And I'm sure when people you know, like anybody that's that fucking sick. Of course he was a motherfucker. This isn't fucking we're not playing this then We're coming to fucking He's the goat for a reason, right, He's the go

for a reason. He's coming to fucking bust your fucking ask. And if you don't like it, and you're too soft and you didn't get the funk up out of here, we'll get another. You ain't ship, We'll get another motherfucker passed the ball to when I when I got triple team, so you could dunk it, Bill Wnnington, whoever. The people don't talk about this, Lebron has a lot of Mike in them too. As far as separation, you know what

I'm saying, His dedication to the game. Like people don't don't see the similarities of Braun and Jordan, but I see a lot in dedication to be the best, you know what I mean? They have They have a lot of similarity. How could you? I mean, he's sick. This guy's fucking stupid, unbelievable. Been in his prime for seventeen years. Never another player has been in this prime for seventeen He's doing dunks in seventeen years in the NBA that I can do it in high school this fucking year

was this bubble ship was? I mean, he's a fucking animal man like yo. He dominated the game defensively, offensively, bubble not a bubble, the whole fucking I mean, he's ridiculous. And you know what if if, if they're focused and healthy next year you come in whatever fun playoffs, he's gonna be right there. If they don't win it, you're not getting that win easy. So where do you put Jordan? Kobe Brown? What's that for you? I don't like the skipping over Kobe, you know how just they just all

of a sudden we felt with that. But with that said, I do feel like Lebron with his career still having to be played their stuff, he can do to jump Kobe. I think Michael Jordan's and it's also who we watch growing up. It's like, you know, the sentimentality of hearing this first song when you you know, and the Chris Mullen and the Larry Birds and you know, and Michael, even though I couldn't stand them, and even you know,

the people that I hated, the Reggie Miller's. I would say this, the person who has the best career, we would say he's better or not better. But as far as the best career, it's not even close. To it's Lebron not even at this point, it's not even close to to do it for seventeen fucking years to win the title. There's no astric on this fucking bubble. He's been there in the final them every year. Because I'm eleven years out of seventeen seventeen, that's more impressive than well, um,

than Bill Russell's. It's a different time, much different time. Listen, No disrespect, Uh, there were guys who were dentists in the offseason guarding Bill Russell, who Sell Pstram in the fucking I mean belt, fucking Jewish guys guarding Bill Russell. No disrespect to the great Bill Russell, but in my opinion this is very controversy, the most overrated NBA player ever, No disrespect. I know you guys won't acknowledge that. I know that team wasn't that then gave me a fucking

break man, These guys eight teams? Are you kidding me? You know who would have been a champion back then? Bryan Scaler Brandy would have been a four time champion, White Mama. He would have been transcendent player back then. He he could play. He blocked my shot in the Big broad with viral y. I think you're trying to hard. He has some game, Gonna lie to you. He can

play up here. He's smart. He's smartest basketball and anybody one of the one of the blessings that I've had being a big band on Big Three, going to practices, watching Steph and Clay workout. People that don't know and haven't had the privilege of there's guys that played him big through that I can't even name. When you watch a professional play verse uh and you're watching in real life up close, and you won't say a fucking word about anybody. Scal. I'll put him up against anybody watching

this motherfucker right now. He's probably like, don't put me in this. He'll bust your fucking ass right now. I'm showing up two hours before I played the last game. I'm showing two hours before the first game. Men Scalt, Scott Scal. He's showing up around the time I'm getting his work into and this is the Big Three. He was still still taking to that series. Yeah. I mean when you see professional basketball players, people like go, Matt Barnes was just to go, Okay, I got Matt Barnes

bust your ass too. People don't realize that, like it could be the last man that like you're a perfessional. That's why people like the last man doesn't play. This doesn't matter. You didn't start, like, do you realize like that last he averaged sixty in high school, That last man, that last man would destroy anybody if people understand. But you got that up close and personal personal. You put

that motherfucker against me. He's Michael Jordan's I've seen Grant Green, Gary Gizz Grant, Gary Grant one time when I came out to California when I was a teenager, playing it Venice Beach killing Michael dunking like you, me and Brian Rooks. I've seen him one time randing at a beach shooting threes like people hanging on. He never shot at three.

I mean this guy. Guys play their role. You guys know they don't know to see a professional athletes talk about what that Big Three experience was like for you. I mean you're in the locker room interviewing people, pissing some people off, sometimes hanging out with Jack after the game, rapping. I mean to be over there interviewing doc. I told you what documented me to to to to to be in the hotel and docks in there, you know, with with with his lady and he's drinking wine. I'm like,

I'm never. I'm never you know, to be in there chilling like you know before the games would oak with him with just bullshit like and and to get to also see like you know, like the personalities people with

their families and like that. It was it was so much fucking fun, you know, the interview ice and you know, like I just love it so much and have such a respect for the game and the the the greatness of all the guys, guys that I name I can't remember, Like these guys are sick, and and it just it was just fun, just fun, just just a fucking ball, Like were you crazy, asked Rick Barry. You know that motherfucker? Yeah,

I mean Gary, I mean this talk about an actor? Yeah, this mother he could do with like a stand up comedy tour. Yes, Yes, that motherfucker's funny. And you know, like and when when when it would get really competitive real quick, or when Gary starts talking ship like it's not like he's just you ain't ship, Like I don't remember who he was going after he went like he was, Yeah, he went in you trashing, You ain't nothing. He got so upset, he was at a loss for words. What

was your stats? You playing? What's Gary going at it? He's the best, He's the best, ad the trash the best. And you know with that moment between you and Oak and I'm watching him like you know, like you know what I'm like and Timisland we at the bar together. Yeah, there's there's a few almost near fight situations. Yeah, they're scary, man,

motherfucker's been a big yeah. And Big Baby there was with Cato in them, uh, James White who was Johnes and core mcgetty, uh from he's played for Atlanta, Joosh and White. That was crazy because got hands us Yeah yeah yeah, and Rice came out with a chip on his shoulder like I was like, oh, I'm not going near and seeing the video, he grabbed Josh wrist like I was trying to break it, like like he grabbed him just like get me my own. It was dope. It was fun as ship and and it was just

it was dope. I mean Big Baby, I mean talk about one of one of one, no one else like him. I mean, this guy's nobody pushing four on the pounds can move like that, I'm sorry, like a ballerina. Like a ballerina, yo. You never see no ship like that. You see the ship go viral. Just uniform in Atlanta. Oh my god, I can't believe he's the best. He's so dope. He's the fucking best. And and and I'm like, does he know that it looks bugged? Or does he not know that because he doesn't care. He doesn't give

a fee. But I was curious. I was like, does he know how he has to know that this looks crazy? He's it was happening with the last minute show up. He decided to play league. They're playing in Atlanta, right sways? Uniform, yo, that talk about good feet, That motherfucker's spinner and he spinned through. You're not but in the Big three unguardable, he's a fucking I mean, who's a player. You found kind of new respect for that You might have not have known until you got to see how close in

the Big three? Good question? You know, man, honestly, I mean probably baby the physicale, like the the the movement, a big baby. You think he's just a fucking you know, like you know, because his personality he's crying, he's upset, but like watching him physically, it's one of one, like just it's he's probably like the one that like you'd be like you you would go to watch him just to see like that ship because it looked crazy and to be that close to it, you could appreciate it

on a different level, you know. I mean that the competitiveness of all the dude, like you knew Nate was ready to like you know, Nate's coming in shape and and all that ship. But baby watching baby, there was a couple of seasons where he was really like he was he was he was in shape for himself, you know, his his his in shape is different than everybody else

is in shape. But when he's moving and spinning and shipped like that and shooting like yeah, that should I think he was so underrated in the NBA and and he just went a job. He didn't say nothing. He just went to the job. He came into Big three and dominated bro. Everything that we expect him to come to do, he did it, you know what I'm saying.

And it was good for him for me to see him be at the top of the league and everybody praised him because he didn't get the praise the dessert n and and it's crazy because games, you know, it's as good as you know, when when when you guys get to the point where you're out of the NBA with your skills and you're still still so much better than the rest of the world, it's just a little bit. It's just a little bit. You're barely out the NBA, so you still got a lot of game, a lot

of game. It might be just a little bit of quickness. I mean, you know, it could be just politics, of course, you know what I mean, there's funny people are just politics. That was crazy. Tried it and and that was beautiful and he he was great last year, and I mean

it extended his career. Doesn't get mellowed because you know, you're hearing trades, possible trades, and you hear that there's not very much interest, and you sit back, like, how not Russell Westbrook first by Hall of Famer, Like that's the problem? Yeah, I hope. So you know what I mean, what they did to Ai, they fucked him. It's a lot of guys, yeah, I mean, they push you guys out.

There's a bunch of motherfucker's that they do that too, And I don't like it because you know if it's probably League and Jamal Jamal Crawford, like, you don't want this. This is a class act. He could still give you fifty. You don't want him teaching these young men how to be men. They don't have that no more, though, your nineteen year old fucking dummy who you know it's you don't want him to be around a gentleman who could bust your ass just to see a professional, That's what

I'm saying. And I'm like, you you don't want to You're throwing him in there in Brooklyn and the bubble, get the fun, disrespectful man like, there's gotta be some sort of you know, it helps the teams. It's got to help these these players, you know who there was a couple of dudes like that when I'm like, you know, they don't have that no more. Like when me and Jack came, there was like veteran leadership and O G sometimes and sometimes O G didn't even play. They were

just there to keep ship in line. Look at yeah, exactly, give you Vince Carter, give you the ropes like they don't have that no more like it's it's younger and younger with the average ages, like what twenty two or something. The average age used to be a high with high twenties. I mean, so vets are you look at Steph curry'st one the oldest player on the Warriors. It's crazy. That's why.

That's why a lot of Playerscuse me, that's why a lot of players are picking where they're going to go and play places they want to play instead of being large to these organizations because they ain't law you to you. You know, got trained is all all bets off. You can't be, you can't be you know, they're just they're

just jobs. It's a place, it's a workplace. Different. But like they don't need to have Donnis on the Miami But but when he's screaming at these dudes something he is three or five the mayor he is three or five, You can't you can't send him to no other team. He has to be that. He has to be there. But that kind of guy should be on each team. Agree, I totally agree that you need that. You know, like if someone he's doing whatever the funk, like a guy there,

like they just almost like another coach. Yeah, it's not fair. I don't like when they rushed people out of the NBA. I don't like it's that business of it, disruptive behavior. What I drew you to the podcast space the most. Ship. I did your podcast twice, and that's such a good time. And that's really what sparked the idea for me and Jack. I'm like, yo, I want to Mike's podcast. We smoked and we just talked ship and laughed the whole time.

I love it. Yeah, I love it. I got into you know, before it became like this, everybody got a fucking podcast. It's crazy. Everybody, everybody, you know, you do my Pockets. I'm like, do thirty episodes and then I'll yeah, like fucking my gardeners. I'm like, come on talking about doing But I I just love it. I love the the the freedom of it. I love the the fact that you're not um obliged to talk or not talk about whatever you want. Um. It's it's outlet. It's fun

and it's it's creative. It's fun. You know, there's no rules in it, there's no you know, you guys are doing video, but you know you could do a podcast if we were just doing an audio anyway, you know, And and that's dope, you know, to have something where you could be like, yo, let's just spit some ship, um right. But so I love it. I love it. It's fun and it's it's it's just it's just fun.

It's just fun and you get to really kind of especially through this, you know, I'll be honest, I was nervous when everything got shut down because in your head you're like, we're just gonna be inn House and the rest of it. But this year, especially during those March April, May June through all the the the protesting and everything like that, for me, it was some of my best podcast because it was so much going on. Um so beat shout Out we picked it up to Yeah, I mean,

and so it's it's it's a dope form. And like I said, I mean, you guys are so unique because in regards to life and sports, like your authorities, um in sports, especially obviously basketball, but in life, you know, you guys are respected and you're also young men and like, you know, just even a little bit that I know you guys to see you know, uh, everything that you know to to be spokes to become spokespeople. It's dope,

you know, like, yeah, it's it's dope. And and you know, to have this outlet where you can you know, I didn't think that when we first started doing it, and this is you know, it's just a dope. It's just a dope form. But but everybody got the motherfucker likes to say, you know, we get to control our own story now, you know what I mean. I think one thing we wanted to touch on earlier to you know, with you know, the new silist head coach in Houston,

with James and Rust want to leave. It has nothing to do with him, but that's how the media is going to try to spend it, you know. I mean, so we're actually talking to Kendrick Parkins before the show, like, you know, we have enough people in our space and now to let people know like, no, so this wasn't the problem. It was management in the way they dealt with it is the reason why Russe and James want to leave. But people are gonna try to say like

they don't want to play for silence. So small things like that that allow us to you know, to tell our own story and and the media can't run with the narrative they want to create. You ask any player that know him, have been around Steve size about time? Everybody's saying about time. And his father's Paul, right, Yes, my guy Stevens with us and m me and Charlotte as well, him and Paul. He's ready to go. He's ready to getting ready to go. Let me ask you,

I know we gotta get ready to be done. Well, how what do you think of the Nashum? I like it? You do? I like it? I mean, I like the fact that it's somebody who's actually played the game, who knows the game, you know what I mean? You know a lot of people have to have things to say that, Well, why did um these guys about for a white coach that a black coach? I get why that ain't Jane, you know what I'm saying? Who who understands us though he's been in the Wars, was pissed with my man

and Steve and a's my guy. But I was like talking about I know, I didn't like how they tried to spend that narrative, you know, because it's privilege, bust your ass. Privilege, Yeah, Hall of Fame privilege, privilege. I'd rather him than one of those guys have been in the film room twenty years and now all of a sudden coaching. I'd rather him than that straight because that's what normally happens. You guys know his disposition it is.

I don't know these fucking guys, but are like when when when when I think it was Kyrie or Kady, one of them said Tuesday, that might be the coach, and then Thursday, Steve might be the coach. You Yeah, I mean I mean that. I think sometimes Kyrie just says talking right, But I mean I think obviously they had to get signed off, signed off for those two guys.

And I really think, honestly, if Kyrie is locked in, which I'm hearing he is gonna be, Steve is going to help him more than anybody the most, just from the mental and psychological standpoint in the approach to the game, because Steve is one of the all time great point guards. He's stupid. I think it was a great move for the same fact of what he said, to get Kyrie on page and to buy in and get to respect from the coach. You can find a better player than Steve.

He's gonna respect. This is guy that he looks up to, this guy that he watched play his game. He has a lot of Steve Nash in his game, he does, you know what I mean. So that's just the basket and the same with Kobe would have got coached by m J. It's the same type of thing that the respect that a guy like Steve Nash can bring to the locker room, it's priceless. You can't get that from anybody. Yeah, it's they're gonna be They're gonna be fucking sick with

me personally. I don't think they should bring Harden. I want to see it. I just want to see it for the game. They got a nice team though, they got a crew, really nice, and we haven't seen that. We haven't seen the team they got yet. And you know, I'm just telling the world right now. My homeboy is running. Rico Hunts is running runs over the El Camino College and k D is on ship. I don't I don't know what he's doing with his hair that sometimes you

gotta you gotta fuck you gotta let go. Let me see. The thing is he had he had baby dreads. Anyway, by just brushing it, you let it just I'm gonna tell you right now, you're not doing him a service by even validating that ship. Your guy. You gotta cut it off. Yes now, if I say anything like stay out of his hair, black man's hair and all ship, I'm gonna tell Stephen Jackson you need to tell him you're not doing him a service by explaining or baby dreaded.

I don't know what the fuss he got gone. I know he's got a little bit of that, my man, my man, Jerome Cursy ship, God bless him. Okay, we all got our hair ship. You got the ill, the ill, lucky you. Your ship is strong. My man, Paul George, Yo, he got the ship down, Paul Paul George never got an edge because his hairline is believing die to have that fucking hairline. That motherfucker's down. He gotta fucking his forehead. He got a two head. We got. We're gonna talk

about that. We got him on the show. I'm not him. One time I said, yo, yo, you know, if you got your ship down here, some chea pet ship, keep because I mean, but but but I was saying all that to say, Kad is on his ship the way he is moving in ye get back to you and you have the authority to see my man, My dude, you're in Brooklyn, you've been out. I don't know what you need to do, but you need to fix your ship before you head to December twenty six. Fix your ship.

I'm not telling you how to fix it. If you need to glue it, he's snap on, He's going to see this. K d I busted his balls. I busted his fucking balls, I said when he started talking about the nixt fun with k D Yo. If you show up Game one with just ship spotty, I'm not I'm not. I'm not having it. I'm gonna be on your ass.

I'm gonna be on your fucking as. No Bruno forty with his ship like looking like a seventy year old roster who got lost somewhere and he's never made it back like his ships Like, Wow, what's the difference between Mike Rappaport the podcast host, and Mike in real life? I mean, I'm not on Blast all the time. One thing that because of the podcast and because of Instagram, like people literally come up to me in the street when I'm with my wife. The other day, some dick

staying Donald Trump, and they're they're fans. I'm with my whiz, I'm holding hands like there's a woman here. But they're so hyped and they think that I'm gonna be like, yeah, funk that motherfu. I'm like, we're a brunch man, like I got you and I appreciate the love. That's the biggest thing is that people think that I'm on and you know, we're doing this is a show, right, so I'm I'm amped up, but you know the show cuts off.

We show you guys are not, you know, all fucking amped up all the time too, especially you're low key as shit, and you know, I'm sure people have preconceived notions you. But people think that I'm like, you know, fuck Lebron, Fuck Lebron. Mike. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I know it's the season is not for six months, you know, yeah, like you fucking When I'm in New York, it's you know, Mike rap, fuck the Knicks, fuck the funking. My father's like he's an eight eight seven,

He's like, what what's what's you know? Is there fans or want to fight you? Yeah, you don't know what is going on? What's what's happening, So that that's the biggest thing about I'm in real life. I'm I'm not at all the time. It's what people see on the internet. It's it's a thought. It's a marination of the thought. It's usually when I'm walking my dog and it's kind of like instead of calling somebody, I just you cocksucker, you motherfucker. No, no, and then I put it down

and then it's I'm done. I'm glad you said your dog. How is the videos you make? This dog that trying to bite you every morning? How moved? How are you moving? Moved? The dogs moved? The dogs moved? He made videos and this dog he used to walk his dog and some dogs just trying to bite him through every Yeah, just running out, like you know when you're like early in the morning, you're just chilling it and like, you know, like what the funk? And I used to screaming it.

But I used to be ready for him, and I used to scream at him before you're yelling at the dog. That dog is gonna kill somebody. What's one piece of advice you can give people that we're so set on one career. It didn't work out and they transferred into another career. Would be the piece of advice to be able to continue to kind of transition into that next move. For me, I think that the best thing about any career, whether it's you know, I only know show business or

whatever is you have to have to do it. You can't want to do it. You you you. It has to be something you have to do. Like you had to play ball, you didn't. It wasn't like you know, all ship, I'm gonna go work on my fucking left hand like you just did it organically, and and and the times are so tough right now, you know. Um, You know, for everybody, especially young people, with everything we're going with, you gotta find something. You know, all dreams

don't come true. Unfortunately. I literally thought I was gonna be a basketball player, but then I found something that I was like, that was what I was meant to be. These are also special jobs. We're lucky, right, but you have to have that and and and the grit, and sometimes the grit and the tenacity to keep going is more important than the talent. The talent's important, you need talent, but the the highs and lows of life, the highs

and lows of career. You have to have that fuck you added to whatever however that manifests in your head. Mine is more like a fun gratitude. But you have to have that grit to keep going, especially in in in this business, because there's gonna be highs and lows for for for everybody. I don't get like, there's very few that don't have highs and lows out there, and even then it'll catch up with them too. Um, everybody coming for your job. Everybody's coming for your job. Everybody

gets older. You know that every there's the next sexy motherfucker. There's the next you know whatever, there's the next dudes that are you know, you just gotta you know, the tenacity is the most important thing for me, um, and and and you just it sounds like a cliche, but you cannot fucking listen. You gotta trust your gut. The voices in your head will fuck you up. Sometimes they'll tell you, they'll tell you that you are the ship. You know, you just gotta keep keep going. Home stretch

quick hitters. If you were coaching in a pickup basketball game at the park, or are you taking five guys? Fuck all right, I'm just taking my five favorite guys. I'm taking Doc. I'm not gonna go for this dream team. I'm taking Doc. I'm taking Moses Malone, I'm taking Mike one already I'm taking I'm taking Isaiah. And now I'm just I'm not We're gonna win the game. It's in the park. And though they listen, don't get over it. I have talked to them one game game. You guys

figured this bullshit out because I don't like it. They try to get my man, Isaiah. They try to they try to shoot on Isaiah and Isaiah. Listen, when you six one from the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the hood, you're gonna have that ship on you. Okay, it's still lasted today. Someone was just interviewed. I'm talking about Mike was number five in his on his top five. Like that ship still burns deep between them too. Hey cool

for this pickup game. And they don't gonna have Larry He'll he'll cool him out to win this game. We're in the park. Got Dr Jay, Larry Bird, Moses, Yeah, because Moses was I dude, he wasn't my favorite, but I just love the way he played mom. Did you guys ever get coached by him? Like in Philly? I played up with him in Houston was cool ship. He was like from another era right up fun with Moses maloone. He was on some ship. So that's my team. You're not gonna lose too many games at that time. We're

gonna be all right. Top five hip hop albums ever m I'll go with and to thirty six Chambers Clan, there's nothing to fun with uh Minna, Mary's Trip call Quest. I'm gonna go with um. Man. This is a tough question. I'm gonna go with um criminal Minded b DP, fuck you young motherfucker's you went you went hard with that one. BTP stupid Darren production. Um, I'll go with gang Star. They're there. Um, I'll go with gang Star. And then the fifth album, I would go with man my my

brain is is slipping. But fifth album, I would go with Shit And there's so many good I would go with the Chronic that's a good album. I mean there's so many forget but that that those will be the five today. I mean you could do two or three just ghost Face Killer Records. Uh, you know he's had records and then only both for human links is stupid. But that that, you know, those lists are tough because you could ask me in an hour. You know, people

get so angry. Yeah, and then people you know, you're like, what was I rocking? Uh this morning? And you know, but that that's a good five uh, five dinner guests ship that are alive, shit five dinner guests dead or alive. I'm gonna go with all live. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with now he's not very talkative, but I'll go with de Niro. I'll go with Larry Birds. I've never even seen him in real life. I'll go with I'll go with man Stevie Wonder. This should be

a cool dinner. It's gonna be all men. I'll go with fuck Um, I'll go with I mean, there's so many fucking people. Man. I go with Trump. Someone just said that too, because they wanted to know what he was thinking. Who just said that. One of our other guests just said that he's gonna be like, why the fund you invite me? And we're gonna talk to you fuck and then and then I'll go in. I'll go with my one of my favorite actors. I brought her up earlier just because I'm thinking, I gotta have a woman,

because you know, otherwise they'll cancel me. I'll go with my girl, Regina King, because that's why I say, Yeah, she's dope, you should have her on the podcast. And Regina Hall. Regina Hall's dope to you guys, A crush, a celebrity crush. Yeah, they're they're both dope for the podcast. Like they're both funny and cool and well this my this, this next question might help with that. Jack finished them

all face Okay, right here, Okay, Regina Hall, let me refocus. Okay, okay, last question, who do you want to see on All the Smoke? But your answer you have to help us get that personality. You guys have had some good fucking guests. You know. I would love to see you guys have one because I don't think there's been a quintessential interview with him. And he was on Bill Simmons podcast and Bill Simmons was whack interviewing him, and I know he

loves ball Denzel. Oh yeah, get Denzel on now, me saying it won't do ship to get him on the first and foremost I'm gonna be honest. Oh you motherfucker's yo. But but but you can. Bill Simmons interview with him was fucking whack. But all you gotta do is talk some hoops with him and then you know the acting ship because he loves hoops. They said he had a lot funnier then he portrayed his movies. Like when you talking to him, they say he's almost a comedian. Say

he's that funny. Listen, get Denzel again, me saying Denzel, come on, all the smoke. Nothing that's gonna do nothing. He might have funked it up, but he's my favorite. Like he's my favorite right now because he's just so I mean, there's it's hard to pick one, but to me, he's To me, he's the best movie star ever because he's got the looks, he's got the swag, and then his skill set. He could be a character actor. He's stupid, and he's just he's got that fucking craft down by

the balls. At this point, he's so good and and he's been so good for so long. A funk with him. He's a the number one person who I want to work with best. You know, I just have such respect for that I would be bugging if I worked with Yeah. Well, Mike Man, we appreciate your time today, Man, thank you

great show. That's a wrap all the Smoke. You can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the I Heeart Family Lack Effects all next week, all the This is All a Smoke, A production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime