Killer Mike | Ep. 141 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

boy take you too. Seriously, it's my birthday. Fault twining off. Yeah, we got him a haircut in here, you know what I mean. We took here and you know you came, You came and got pamper. We want to take care of you. Forward to man, what y'all did for me today. My goal is to take to every NBA arena. Man. We have a swag shop, you know what I mean, and it's blossoming and Stay Farm arena. But I want to be in all of them. I want to be in Dallas. Talk to us what that explained to people

aren't familiar what that is? Well, usually you know, as a man, you go to barbershop. That's the one hour a week it belongs to you if you're a hip woman, because a lot of women come and get the eyebrows, get their face. That's the place where you ain't got to worry about argue in which points of who's shoving into now, because you're coming in there, you running the floor. Like so, barbershop is a special kind of culture. Really

is a country club of working class man. And I thought that you should be shave Washington groom there total you know. So me and my wife started barbershop about nineteen years ago near the Atlanta Airport. It grew to Edgewood Avenue, which, like the bar Dish in Atlanta, got invited to gore and stay farm. Now I aim is to make that forty five minutes the one hour a week you get just about you come in listening to dope music, get a shot, get a straight raye shaver,

hot tiger on your face. You and your son come in. Add to the culture. Next week you might have a T shirt with something you said on it. You know, do the problem with you. It is made fun the people by the people there. We we gotta buy later. Yes, we got some cusho and ensure people too, so just so we go, oh yeah, you gotta hear the cushat some boys. You gotta do some cushot. We'll give you tick because you're a guest, but we know we'll do it after. We gotta get on. Put you good with

you good shouts out of the big ball, low back now. Man. But the shop, the shop is so so successful, man, you know, I live in Atlanta. It shot so successful that motherfucker's tried to vandalize it and tried to shut it down just because it was doing so much business and was appreciated so much by the community. They tried it. Well, Ama go on saying the devil state business young man. Unfortunately, man who's played with mental illness and he um, he just kind of cracked the kind of fixated on me

and a couple other people. But you know, I just pray for him. But really, you know, I really pray for him because the community didn't appreciate it, you know, and he not as melanated as we are, so he kind of stand out in the crowd. I wouldn't want that to happen to him. We just mentioned you just came back from Coachella. What was that experience? Like, Man, we haven't been up for three years. We have been on post. We are when I say we are in a roup group, some people don't know. So it took

me two years become overnight success. And I just say that because a lot of times a player, you might go to a team you don't want to be with. But you build something in your team and change something your character. It grow you that journey. Then you might peeve it and get traded someone else. So you might bring a championship there and change the culture that My

career was like that. I came out in a real big way without cans and a lot of great things happening early, and then I chose are going to independent around So about two thousand eleven, I met a guy named LP, guy named Jason DeMarco put us together. Um he was at the Cartoon Network at the time where adults whim. He put us in a room together. You just say, man, y'all should be working. And it turned out to be like putting ice Cube in a room with Chuck the in the Bombs card. You know what

Chuck saying? You know you should work with the Bombs Card and me and A L created an album called Rap Music. This is a tenth year that record came out. That record changed the trajectory of my career. You know. The year before that, I had a song called Rick Flair and Rolling Stone that was like top fifty songs of the year, and I was like, man, you gotta keep pushing. That year that album hit and then hit in a way like like this is another killer Mike. It's not just a guy who is a protege of

one of the greatest rap roots in the world. This is something new. Right after that, LP and I decided to do essentially what was the mixtape called Run the Jews one. Running Jules one put us in rooms. What we were doing three to five people, but it was consistent. Then all of a sudden, over a couple of months and three to five hundred turning eight hundred to thousand.

You go back, you do Rund the Jews two, and now you're Mound Juice and Running Jus four brings us to opening for Raging and Some Machine for their reunion tour, which you take us through April of next year, has us on in mid day at Coachella UM both weekend, and it has us marching back out in our own solo shows and festival and well due shows and festivals.

And then ten years after rap music and ten nine years after former you know, Run the Jewels were one of the most tour bands in the world, and it's just amazing, you know what I mean. So I'm blessed happy to be here. And that's why Folks is gonna be a lot more internal with me because we got Coachell after this in a few days. Beautiful. You mentioned during your set we need to change this country. Can

you elaborate on that we do. We don't have to fight twenty years to progress two years, so there are certain things that we could do, you know, with everyone right now raving Oh, the Biden administration is a potentially going to get fed on decriminalization of marijuana. Sanders would have did it in a strugle pin by taking it often. And we need to start insisting that people that we vote for our support from a local level up. So I see a president's name because they get your attention.

Who's your prosecutor, who's your mayor going to appoint police chief, who's your city councilperson who's running for Senate right now in Atlanta? You know, in terms of George who's running for Centing? Who are you gonna support? And why you know what I'm saying, you gotta start saying this. Who's running for lieutenant governor? Everyone knows that camping Abrams are probably gonna fight it out November. This who's gonna be like? But we have a young man running for lieutenant governor

named Kwamie and I mean Quansa. I'm sorry, Quansa is running and Quansa wants to decriminalize instantly. He's for a more progressive marijuana stands. But what does that matter? Like, you get to smoke anyway? You rich? You nobody tripping? Yeah, but more than smoke. Country folks got land. You might have fifty acres, you might have a hundred acres. We might have four acres between us. That qualifies us to get government grants and laws considerations to start growing himp.

So if I never get high again, I'm still gonna need some hemp ro. I'm going to the the time my boat at the fishing port. You know, I'm still have the opportunity to make money. So we should be focused on those things and we should be pushing the line on this thing. So when I say this country needs to change, we can get fast about our ship. You know when I'm where I'm from, if all people told you do something, you got about the business doing it. Fin what switch got hit to you? Then you might

have to walk and get the switch. And what I'm saying the black cooke is and working glass people period. You need to start requiring the pace that your grandparents required of you when you were a child growing up in the South. From the skeeper's bitch. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, called somebody country into we don't have to wait. We live in a country where the states still kills people, and often times we

figure out it's wrong. So I'm just saying, until we get that perfected, let's not kill people, no matter the crime. And trust me, there are people I feel like should be dead. But a man in South Carolina gets to choose whether he dies by a lecture chair or firing s card, and he chose firing s card. We have a record call letter to the firing card. What would you say to them? And that record? I challenge you all to go listen to it's a great record. I

think y'all find some solids and peace in it. But I thought about this two thousand twenty two man. And it's a man sitting here deciding, you know, if I'm gonna die by a lot of people say, oh my, well, that's right there, you know, that's that's But man, it's someone and I family has done something terrible, somebody you love. He's done something terrible enough to die for. About other cultures, they have things, and It'slam. You could die for the

things of Christianity you've died for. Look at the siw You died in Christianity. You hadn't even committed no sins, you know. He just protested banks and seeing human beings, a boy the state. So when you start to really think about our country, how christian we claim to be, how tolerant we claimed to bring, how liberal we claim to be. If you hold it up against the mirror, you can you can say we probably need to change

things by ourself. And I love, you know, I love the country I've you know, my people have been a cornerstone to be on this country. So you talk about me going to Frederi Dugald's high school and understanding the importance of that makes me very proud to be a part of the lantage of this country. But doesn't mean we can't do better immediacy. Let's go talk about the Atlanta. Yeah, you're growing up in a TIL. I've been living in a Til. It's when it's something pleasures. I didn't grow

up there, but it's home now. I love the city. But tell, but tell, talk to us about the Lanta of your brain. Man. You know how you on your press, your media runs. You know you from me where you're from, so you go on your meteor and you think everybody everything. I didn't realize being Southern was major difference, and I didn't realize being Atlanta, you know, intensify something difference. Tell us a lot of a lot of folks in the South, they don't they don't, they don't bother with won't make

people to accept them. They accept themselves. And I don't mean across color, right, And we want my grands about your color. You're kind of He knew who he was. He didn't care what you thought on you know, and if if you insisted too much, you was gonna get some pushed back. My grandmother they say when she was a girl, she preferred working in the field. She didn't want to be nobody's cooking stuff. But I realized how much we meant to when I realized she cooked for us.

You know, so she said, I have a responsibilities children. But I grew up in the neighborhood kind of car your Heights. It was found in the nineteen forty six by black people for black people. Everybody lived there. Dr King's parents to working class folks like my grandparents. And what I learned was when Dr King said the content of your character, I really understood it because my grandparents and the people who lived around me didn't give me a booget man to be afraid. You know. Now, we

knew we were competing because we got told. You know, y'all, I didn't have three white teachers in my whole life. That's how black my world was. So we got told very early. You know, their kids in North full thing. You know it's called for wife, and they're there right now. They're not playing in their classroom. So we have a sense of honor about being when I say we you know, I went to school with n n C A Champion U C L A Cameron Dollar now coaches and Seat

don't want school. Stanley Pritchard played for Miami Dolphin, Atlanta Falcons. Robert Hicks, my best friend, says kind of going. I played with Buffalo Bills, get past off of Athletics Chief Judge Arser Jackson and the cav County Dean rah and be Yard Georgia tech like I went to school some heavyweight man, but we were just working class kids. But we got a healthy sense of being competent and confident

really early. So for me, when I blossomthing got out in the world, I didn't realize how black folks didn't grow up like that, and I didn't realize the world and operate like that. So it took some adjusting for me. Once I started getting famous, I guess and started moving around. But it's been cool. It's been a cool ride. Man. I appreciate Drey and being you change in my life because I got into Moorhouse, stupidest thing I could have done.

Drop out, and then I found myself, you know, looking around working at all those are like ship I fucked up and toying, you know, in particular big Boy Champion to me, to Dre and Regina Davenport, who was like

the product manager at the time. They gave me an opportunity to change my life and the ride started, and I've been on a twenty year run thanks to mentorship with people like Pamp and Bunn, you know, Balling g. I just want to show a lot of reverence for people like you know, Tony Draper, j Prince, Like it's a whole history of when people say, Mike you small, You're not like southern Southern. I was kind of country

ship they say this. I think that's it's almost assulting because I didn't grow up under the tutelage of some of the greatest people, like you know. I challenge people just man, go back and listen to old Southern discographies, like the music has been one hunting. You've been getting lessons in the music, like the ship you for sucking around and learn listening to you know, even at that time, like what too Short was saying on right, too Short saying be about your money like a million you know,

even one from the South. It was linked. The Bay Area was linked. I just think I think the South and you know, the Third Coast movement of that so had a lot of do putting me here. You know. I love the music, love my upbringing. Just proud to be here today. Probably stone and talking a little long. But how was it growing up with young parents? Man? Thank god they didn't raise me. I tell them, yeah, I told that later that thenice, I told it all

the whole. On the other side, listen, y'all kids out there sucking many slow down, man and show you a lot. Going to say, stay child as long as you can. I my dad would say, say, you know he's child. Put you back ten years find you know, man, So you have to you know, I said I messed around. My dad had folk children. I did the same thing. I ain't mad, but the amount of work I've had to do to support him, and the time it took

away from him. Like I'm bringing all my kids out the Coachella for the first time this week, the youngest when he is fifteen years old. Her name is Michael. And then I have a son named pony Boy he's twenty years have a twenty four year old daughter named a nine year boy. Leave. Okay, you know the thing about it is you you get to working so hard you you missed part to the growth. So that's why I just want to tell young men out there that birth control by see if see if you can get

on County services, get yourself for free. Ye out here to tell you, boy, they would have control. Whatever was ship out of it A fucking fucking yeah. The game a billionaire what you're talking about touched the billion right now. Man, I don't pay the half a million, so I know that light wunning for you. I might pass out. I did a half I got five girls, two boys expensive, so I know you. Oh my god, please don't remind me. Make to That's that's the whole that's the that's the

whole downfall there. Yeah, man, you can't get Yeah. I will say this, though we we understand the tactical advantage to the advantage, when when we be advantaging. You know, you know were I told my daughter my daughter ex boyfriend told him. I liked them both kids, but you know his child. You know, you don't never think he's gonna last. Were you telling me they're gonna last? Because

usually don't, but you're gonna remain friends. But I told him, I said, hey, man, I say now, I'm gonna tell you she in a great situation because she got me. She got a auntie. She gotta love it. Mama, Grandma, I say you messed around and get a pregnant, she's gonna be straight. I'm gonna here to tell you know,

she don't get pissed because you got good health. And if y'all ain't you gonna go down there, she's gonna put your ass on the You know, I talked to like a plate like a home water, don't you know? So he Thank god they didn't ever do that. But you know, I tell my children, stay my child as

long as she can. I don't before you have because my parents were sixteen and nineteen when I was born, and my grandpa my grandparents were fifty four and forty four, and thank god my forty for your grandmother wanted another child, so I was just hers. By the time my mom married, I have two dads. I'm blessed with two fathers. By the time she married my second father, you know, and my grandmother just told him go figure out how to

be a wife, and I'm gonna raise him. And then when my sisters were born, she actually my sisters be heaver to be raised me. So we've been on our grandparents all right. We had an RV. We got to go to Florida and Tennessee. We gotta going to church trips. You know. Our mama, man, she was you know, she was young and working. We was like, man, thank god, we have to be you know, we wanted to last. Key to nothing. My grandfather asked my grandmother, she was a nurse. This is a lot of women. I'd be

hearing all of the arguments on online. But all my teachers were married to working class man. So all my teachers had degreed but to me, and they were married to with plumbers and carpenters and locksmith owners and stuff. My grandmother was a nurse. My grandfather troll dump trumps, which was good money. You know, you're driving trucks and whatnot.

But I just want to encourage us, you know, do that, do some of that, you know, look outside your level or whatever I mean, because my my my grandmother could read right. My grandfather was functionally literate and could count any money just spread on the table. So they balanced each other well. But I remember when he came to it, he said, hey, you know, and this is like we watched no fall. This is when the crack era was starting exploding. She said, I want I want you here.

When the kids come out of school, I don't want you. I don't want you gone. And she did that until we were old enough to kind of see after ourselves. But I really kind of learned a lot from them, and I'm glad at all I saw that. Because my parents were so young. My my dad's might say, yah, y'all really was good at was sucking and fighting, that's what y'all did. But my grandparents, I got a chance

to see two people statement, but beyond the stability. I got the chance to see people tease each other, disagree with each other, but love each other every night, you know, love each other. And they were united, you know. Whatever you asked, my grandfather wasn't talk to my wife about it first, even if he had his mind made up. You know what, I'm just gonna tell the hey, this what I decided. You were never gonna get them, you know, ununified. And I've tried to model my own life and marriage

has that. I tried my wife like this wee Sunday. I tried when the music coming to play, nine years old, sat Boys run DM seed cool Ruky not what you know. I'm fat. I'll talk on man, Man, I remember, man, I missed the fat human man. I saw a little I couldn't break that. I couldn't figure out the back spin. I was like, fun, this ship I ain't rerun, so I said, man, I could probably do that cool rock ski though, but when I've seen running, I've seen run.

Don see though, man black down them suits which which run the jewels. We rocked them black denim suits and I'm chained and they looked like like what I was liking outside. I was like, that's it. That that was it, and just the whole depth day and run with what they was able to do. When they wrote out l cool man curse blowing stuff, I looked at like my mom stuff, so like all the Pepper curse blow Hudini my mom was. She was like she was a hustle

like her home girls, the fly girls. She listened that. But when it came to light, just that stuff that was that ain't ohay. He was hitting there withssy. That

was just like, man, it's me. And then when I heard six in the morning, I was like, this is like I six in the morning police had my door Freshda squeaking across the bathroom floor out my back windows where I made my skate, when I was like the funk like it was a movie and end up of course iced T and then when I heard a Cube and then the greatest rapper all times, scar Face when I heard Brad Jordan's changed, like like what he encompasses is an MC is so underappreciated in terms of he's

had a year Chris has eight seven and never dropped the Wag album, Like not even debatable. You know what I'm saying. When you are in scarface, you are in scarface against Scarface. I've argued with scar Face about what is his most classic album. We argued over that, like he said, you know one work and I'm like, no funk that you got this recketivity, laughing, like how are you gonna he's I'm a fan, but what he what

he was able to do. I used to battle tapes, me and my me and my boy mark Man and Rico and Kim just to listen to the j Prince and trolls five times the rest of the tape place the wisdom he was getting, you know what I'm saying. So as a kid just hip hop at nine years old, I got turned on to it. By time I was too I turned out it was it was what I was about. I was gonna be a rapper. I was

gonna figure that out. Yeah, me being from Texas to I know how important scar faces not telling me so to the rap culture, but to us, you know, he definitely the guard you know, the Golden Port in Texas. I mean as far as rapping. So many rappers that come up now to to this day that's way younger than him. If you asked them who was the man in Houston, They're all gonna praise one first. You know what I'm saying, Brad Jordan, And now you're going to listen to all your top the people you call your

goats have all nodded to him. It's nodded to him. Drey and Big dalcast and added to jay Z is not a to him, like like man the stuff him Ja and bean Z Like. I think that that every generation should always be reminded to go back and listen to Brad the same way you may know col Trane, but you have to be reminded sometimes go back and listening to that love of Supreme so you really understand like what jazz can do. You know, go back and listen to someone. These moms go back and go back

and remember that it's a culture. It's not just the moment. It's not just hot now. There is literally a culture. Boy Meets a Girl man that that record. My wife, me and her ride sometimes and she plays it like we ride sometimes we're writing her beans we play. We'll play on some Sinatra, we'll play some Dean, you know, we'll play something that we we played, trying to play some alternative stuff besides just what you're hearing on radio

or what even I'm doing. And she'll always on the ride back play that Boy Meets Girls, essentially about a strip on the deep one talking about cocaine and heir man. But it's such a beautiful story, Shakespearean like the way he tells it, you know what I mean. And so I think this as an mc man, he's he's like high art and fine literature even musically what he's on in terms of producing, in terms of you know, we know Mike Dean and many of us for the sound.

He's helped Kanye Cray, Mike Dean. Also the co craft of that corner stone with that rapp list sound was when he and Face when they're doing together. So you even hearing face. In my opinion, you know his his reaching going even beyond lyricism and it's just producing and sound. Yeah. I got a two or three songs with him. That's fun, Like maybe two days in studio with him just picking

his brain. And then we shot the video. And when we shot the video by the Donald Sterling, it's face so nobody want to speak by the time, but he pulled it out. We're gonna do it. You're back to player. We're gonna speak on it. But he dope. Man, don't you touched on earlier about attending more House. What was that experience like? And hel come it didn't last that long. I was the most beautiful, beautiful, beautiful time in my life.

Man on a Bassador andrewyan Form, Mayor of Atlanta, man creating in scholarship to me here and then all I had to do was read his autobiography and get inspired by and I did it, told him what I thought about it, and he and his former wife on his current wife's Carol. His former wife is um She the late Jean child Young who taught my mother and mentor me and was just an amazing human being. As as his andy. They made sure I got him more house um nat and working my butt off and getting my

grays up. My founier year high school and I met the Ceel Reddick there, who's half of the Peat Buddies who produced Kryptonite, who introduced me the Big Boys. I was supposed to be there, you know. I met friends I've had for life there. But I knew after the first year that I was like, this is not what I want to do. Not that I didn't want to graduate more because I promised with my grandmother I would and I still am, but I was like, I don't want to be doing this now. I really want to

be in the music industry. There was so much opportunity growing in Atlanta at that time. You got Eric Sermon down there who tang like. I had a store down there, too, Short was living. It was just opportunity was everywhere, just so I was like, man, I'd rather go about the beings and figure it out. The dumbest decision I could have, I ended up getting a record of the same yea

I would have graduated, you know what I mean. So I encourage your brothers, and if you're in there just sticking there, you know, and if you can't get in there yet, just go to trade school, spending may teen months in there, come out making top dollar and still go. You know what I'm saying. But I just, um, I really dropped the ball and making that decision. But you know I'm stubborn this ship. So once I made a decision, I wasn't gonna quickly. Yeah, I wasn't gonna let nobody

to tell on my grandmama. I told you so. Now. So she got a chance to call all her friends and said, I told you so, and so you see my baby. He got a grammy baby he got You can come see it if you want to, you know what I mean. That made me feel good, you know what I mean, because I know she called some ship for that one. From definitely first impression of big boy and man these names rich they had, Alexis Man, he had Alexis got there rut that all I don't want d D had a cat like first we had like

a land cruiser or some ship. Don't he have nickels wearing the fucking Jordan's like niggas one just these niggas rich man, like God, damn these niggad rich. But you know getting it. I really, man, I'm gonna tell you what I really when I really my thoughts are like Dre was. Dre was arts as fun, he was kind, he was humble, He's very intuitive. He was a good person in his intent, you know what I'm saying. But you could you could tell he was like an only child.

So he went with two munch of all the hanging ship like he would hang out. But then he'll be like Batman, he'll fading out, he'll goes out of sithing, you know what I mean. So you ended up being around big in terms of studio and business more and you gotta I got a chance to see, like, oh, Ship, this is what it's like to be young and lead, you know what I mean? Like because he he had an opportunity to lead, and he stepped up in terms of business. He got business I think before a lot

of us did. And was it was a dog kunnel or now having trailers for movie production and stuff. I was always impressed with his maturity from a business standpoint. Both of them were genius. His money because Trey's mother goblins and dead and Sharon Benjamin was just an incredible woman. And you know it took one mishout or some tax stuff, and they they both tell the story going on the run, getting that money up on you know, and never you know,

falling um in a rearge of any type. And it was because Trey's mom was just a genius about making sure that business were taken care of and I watched her to do that, and I watched big when you

went to a hell of a businessman. So I've always been It's like Jamal Mashburn, like a lot of people can play basketball, a lot of people made a lot of money, but Jamal, watching his interviews, seemed to have called early that there this is gonna end one day, and I should be playing some seeds right now that are gonna grow. So I've always been impressed by that. And from an artistic standpoint, just outc asks as a

collective man, I've always been impressing. I've used it in terms of being a member around the Jewls with don't let ship define you, like I remember Bunning calling me telling me one day, like the beauty of what y'all boys have is is undefinable, So do whatever the fun y'all want. Y'all ain't got to be locked in the sound. And that's what I learned from watching Trey and Big together. And I got a chance to watch them together from e t Elliens forward and and and seeing the way

they worked. It's just been amazing. And I'm like everybody else, like I want to see Outcasts tour like the rollers dollars for the next thirty or forty yells and so I want to be able to take my kids the Outcast concert. I pray. All you can do is as a fan. I hope they did it for us a few years ago. So you know, maybe again Big Big not just doing dogs. He got alls now, yeah he got he got I think he got tigers. Um, he got like eighty thousand all of French bulldogs. Like yeah,

like he was here. Let's see it. Seeing ahead of the curb around the corner is an understatement, especially, yeah, eighty thousand all the dolls I paid it, thou all they better have a motor, you know, yeah, for free the whole world. You want to grant me for that? How did your life change after? That? Took some anxiety off, Like if I'm ever win one, because I want one, and I know I wrapped my ass off, like that's

my type. Like if I've just been like on in the background, Oh you know what I'm saying now, I wrapped, I still it off my mother. I was in the game, so but I want more. Man, I didn't run the Jewels deserved, So that's that's my focus now, Like has run the Jewels, you know, it's killing Mike. What am I gonna do? But that decision to stay in the studio that and that night showed me anything as possible.

When you went to work, everybody was went to the strip club, I think I think everybody was hanging out, and Big was like, um, you might want to hang around and see about getting on Nelson because I seen somebody else was scheduled to get on it. Maybe maybe give or something. And I hung around. I dropped the first and when when they came back, they told me they was keeping it and something else is supposed to be the single. And then they called and told me

it was gonna be the single. When Brian Barber shouts out to Brian shot the video and life haven't been the same since. And I can say with the ups and the downs, you know, I've always there's always been somebody at the front of a restaurant that remembered the video. They're like me and you know so well. I was up a dial Yah. You had a chance to be on Blueprint too with j C. How was working? How

was it working with old Man? I can honestly say I love of God Man whole solid as they come in terms of the times I've dealt with him because I appreciate the way he's dealt with me. He's never dealt with me as over. You've never been kind of sending. I remember after we did the verses on the Blueprint. I remember he called being on the bus sage, I want you to jump on this record with me, and Big said, well, you don't know if Drada he said, no, I want you on the young boy you got over

that might do something. So I was like I heard. I was like, oh ship. I just went to the whatever the flip thing was at the time I just started writing. You know, that was when I still wrote the verse is probably double that. I just used the sex and Night had and Shantadas took me up to meet and chopped it up. Wouldn't want me to the studio chopped up, and I was like, I got the bird. I dropped it. When I get back to Atlanta. Did

In in Atlanta popped up It's on there. But we were in MTV and I've seen him coming a whole bunch of people around him, you know, and he's not like you know, fans stuff, just the people in the office fanning out like it's hold in the building. And I was just learning a while, I don't want to ball, and he said, oh, you ain't gonna speak to me, and I'll put you on my record and everything. One of the funniest moments of my life. Man, you know what I'm saying, because you know, I would imagine it's

like a vet when you were rookie. You know what you're coming out of You're gonna talk to you. I was just overcome with with with you know, with with graciousness for him. He's always been like that, you know what I mean. So I just I like hold of a lot. I really respect him a lot. I respect I respect the inspiration he's given other people to become business. After winning a Grammy working with Hole, you dropped your studio Albumster in two thousand three. When you dropped the album,

you feel like you had already made it. No no, no, no, no, no no, because this isn't you know. I went old, this is in the air on people selling Timillion record. I had flopped. But that's what a guy named David the Globia records tell me about the profit and laws. She showed me that I had actually profited, and Bunna hit me and say, that's a good thing. You don't want to be in the law section. It was the

labor the alley it this way. So bunn really walked me through a few years of trying to end deciphon this to it. I want to stay on a major label? Do I want to? So by the time he came around, I think Virgin made an offer winch Ams over there.

I walked away from the offer. I think they was offering me like a hundred and twenty thousand all advanced and a charger at the time or something right, And I think I pressed the line on about the charge to get a nigga call to you the lead with the boy gotta got a call, you know, sound like trying like I've seen the other lead. But they did it.

But I really didn't want the deal. And I remember Bear coming to me every day like Mike and they offering you, like, you know, they put another third or fourth on what they was on for you listen, and I was like, I just didn't want it. And I was like, I think I'll do better doing it this other way. Now, I didn't know the other way it was gonna turn into the lyard. She was a fucking Greek, fucking illage, you know. Just I didn't know I was

gonna lose people to death. I didn't know one of the first grind time producers gonna get life in prison. You know. I didn't know that friends was gonna show themselves to be folds. I don't know I was gonna lose you know, I fall out with my friends who had changed my life with a record deal and take

years to me. I didn't know all that. Like, but I can say coming out the other side and the opportunity to repair those friendships, get an opportunity to grow as a leader, to to grow beyond what you think abouts is, to really bet on myself and win, and that, you know, to have the pleasure to tell him, you know, one of my trusted attorneys and my friend who says, man, I couldn't believe you walked away from hunting and saying saying, yeah,

that's about what I get on the date. Then I'm like, so I turned away from a show him being proud of saying I'm glad you had afforded to to do it because it's scary. Man. You know it's scary and it's not all you know. I'm not one to say the labels are bag. I heard gonna say something incredibly intelligent man, and he's a smart kid, but you get sold so so used to just handle jam Is. It's a pleasure for me to see him do interviews because

he's a brilliant kid. Him thug savage, like brilliant kids Atlanta. Sometimes you'll be so busy jam and you don't really realize you're listening to a brilliant mind too. But Donal was like, man, you look at the label when you're talking to Lebron, it's like you're looking at like a partnership that's taking a risk on YouTube. And now the artists have gotten more savvy in terms of getting their masters back and things of their nature. Now lawyers are

bullying up for that. But with on Lebron said, you know, you come to the rookie, you take the work of contracts, say it after them three years you will make him dump. You were in dunk truck. And that's that's that's the type of certain type of confidence in yourself, you know. And I had that confidence again. I didn't know what was gonna take for years or two, but man, I wouldn't trade it because of the wisdom of my game.

And on the other side of the person than human being, I am is it's much more stable with what I have than I would have been at that time. Where did your love music come from? Whould like do? Who? Did you autilize you face? Terms of I wanted to be chante in terms of my love for music, though that's just come from being Southern mina grandmother would take us to these small and Pentecostal churches. Ain't got no

ac condition. But the rhythm sections, the same hym section that were playing in the club the night before, you know, the same folks is playing at the gambul And house. Your grandfather got you here with the shot house. So I fell in love with blues and gospel first because that's what I heard, because that's what they played. And then I fell in love past blues and gospel. I started listening like Big Man Chance things of that nature.

But my mom when my mom left, when my grandmother, I'm living with my grandmother, and my mom left me a record collection like Curtis Mayfield, Osley Brothers, you know, Schaft sound track, Superflies. She just left and she just showed me, you know how how to put it on. And I just sit in the dark room and just listen, listen and still do. So, you know, music is it's just in my bones, just what it's what you do, whether you're cleaning up, whether you're getting around, moving around,

you know. Just usually if I get up the first I'm gonna play some gospel of some blues and we get the rap by now Jack got to shoot him up, Bang bang, going to six G K yes t G. That's gospel. I mean blues. I've been get to my pimp you I live, YEA know about PIMPC Then, man, how we call with the name killer Mike, I did the name giving me. I would have been like fly fat Boy. I was battle rapping and dude ain't double d stood up after I went through about like ten

of them dudes. Just like man, these kids are killing say Mike's a killer, and then next week I can't kill at New York, dudes called me killer killer Mike. That was it. I've been obviously, I figured I earned it, so you might as keep it. Yeah, it's not who is double D? Double D's a DJ, some famous DJA. Yeah, that's all about that. Yeah. Then ran through all the strip clubs and then lit them up. Man being one of the most famous names DJ in the last thirty

years in that city. We got great DJ from funky DJ, Cutt Matter Swift whose outcast official DJs my home. What we got Man? We got two many name DJ who created with t I b High but tumping t I created the trap scenes. The DJ is very important from old Miami culture of course, Memphis culture of course, DJ screw Houston culture, texts culture like the DJ is still

very important in the South. Street Man, come on with the legend my friend, my real friend Street to call you at five in the morning to give your life advice. Fishing Man, rest in peace. Yeah, I'm glad I sent him that verse Man back in December when he wanted it. Man. Yeah, what pushed you to joint Tan Grand Hustle? No way, that's my friend, Man, and I just you know how you been on your your asked for a minute, you

start to get up. You're like, man, if I could scale up a little bit, I can do a little better. So him and Jason g I just asked, manuse do some distribution through y'all. I need some help. And Man, I remember telling to like, man, I wish I did this ship a few years ago, and he was like, shoot, all you had to do was asks. And that's really what I started to really understand that you have advocans and the allies in the closed mouth don't get fans.

So if you need something and you know you can do the job, just as you know what I mean. And and Tip has been a friend over twenty years at this point, but that really taught me, you know what I mean, if you need man actual friends. How cool is it to get your pistol on your fist gesture in the Marvel Comics art talk about that? He said, I laughed forever twelve years old. Man, I believe in

keeping that Twitter. You know that twelve thirteen. I'm sure at one point you didn't know if you like basketball, toys, girls, comic but you know what the funk you like the most You're just like all these things like my fire, So really for it with the comics is like that for me, for me like to be featured man and there for like, get the funk out of here. Man, it's like you want to go back and here the

twelve you eight, all this ship canna work out. Yeah, the girl with the big teed you're gonna marry her. The comic you're gonna be an. So it's just a twelve y'all happy. Yeah, you touched out a little bit more, But I want to elaborate. You talked about going on tour with Rage and me will start wind Man. That

starts we out of here in June. Okay. Yeah, we're gonna go over to London, I think, do ten eleven dates over there and in Europe, and then come back over here, take the continual the United States by Storm, take a break in the winter, then get back on there and go through next April to be a whole year. Yeah, beautiful and thank man, Thank Rage Man. You know, they one of the greatest bands in the world, you know

what I mean. So it's it's comparable to someone saying, well, yeah, y'all going out and opening prob it's a beautiful thing. I was put in the position with Georgie, with George Floyd, I had no idea what I was doing. I wasn't educated or nothing. But you you one of those people that I look up to that's always been educated. Always your mind. But the disition between when you speak, you know what you're talking about, you know what I mean.

I just I just admired you from that standpoint. I want to know what was going through your mind doing that whole process. You ain't ever met me, but we have text before, the publicist before and you gave me some some great advice. But what was going through your mind in the whole time again again again, you know, again and again and again. You know it's first of all, man, I think we just I just want to appreciate you

for your transparency to the process. I want to appreciate you for being willing to stand because you know, people think a lot of times because you don't speak a certain way, or you don't know a certain thing, or you haven't come up through certain channels, you don't have the right to family. Blu Hamer wasn't taught to speak in college, But you don't know you know Google Fanily. You know Reverend James Orange, who's my personal friend and taught me to organize. Who was played by the brother

olmartin the movie Selman. You know it's who talking persons student the stock Can taught me to organize. You know, brother was a brilliant brother man, was a statesman, a spoken but was salt of the earth Alabama. And I just say that because you have people like Testling Figura out there that are working their ass off. She's right down there in Houston right now. You know, she's Air Force trained, veteran, yet big and and and and she's solid to earth and speaking educated. You know, she can

talk up or down. How many you know what I mean? You know, but the brother Cronk is doing this thing, but testing them particularly um I look at because she's a person that we need to be surrounding. Like Debora in the Bible, we saw talking, she starts talking, we all need to be paying attention. We all need to be supporting her. Because the beautiful thing about brothers like you stepping up and bringing the capital you bring from being an admired athlete is if you look at this

like wrong, you look at a movie like Gladiator. The people that are running us. So the people that are the Caesars and the senators. If you notice they closed, don't get there. They don't give a fuck, they don't They are an oligarch. Look that word up. In this country, we are the people in the stands cheering for you guys on the behalf of whatever nation state, kill them killing. We're in Texas killing, We're in Georgia, who runs the

Southeast Conference? All that ship. But oftentimes the oligarchy of that class tries to get us to forget your individuality. You're just supposed to be beast in a in a member of a team that I'm cheering for blood for. But what you do, what Jim Brown, did you know what athletes do when they do this is they stand up and they bring the attention and focus to what

needs to be focused on. And then what we have to do is what they did in the sixties, what they did as far back, is wrong, and what we should be suing now is that after we say our truth that this is wrong, something must be done about it. Past that motherfucker like a no. Look to people like Tesla because she has the facts, just the numbers, and she's gonna nail their motherfucking as of a cross, because that's what organizing is. You are a mobilizer. You're supposed

to be there. Your heart and conscious told you to be there, and you're doing the exact same thing that Dr King did when he had become so big he couldn't be there on a weekly meeting every week. That's what Snick was doing, That's what stokely called Michael John Lewis was doing. King was going around rallying and making sure bread was getting bread for the bread basket, making sure that numbers were up in other places. Still an organizing, but his part of it was the mobilization of getting

people there. And that's what your presence does, that's what your voice does, and that's why we need more athletes to be properly informed by the people who do the work first. So get informed by your testlin is getting informed by your organizations that are doing the work. Then we know what our points are to say us as athletes and entertainers, we say that, and then we passed the by all like a no. Look that the people was supposed to be So I think you did an

amazing job. And now I've always wanted to tell you that too. You know, you you don't you don't know. You brought a seriousness to it that didn't allow people throughout the South to bullshit and people paid attention, you know. And I say that because what we're from, we've seen that a lot more a lott than people. You know. That means that, that means a lot, bro Because like you know, Bunning bunts up said some of me, some important words. He's something in text before I went to Minnesota.

He was like, everything you've been through builty for this moment, and he wanted to talk about brought uthor. He was talking about the brawl and everything. You know. So just to hear that from guys like, yeah, who, I look up to it and a lot absolutely what y'all well done man and everybody y'all follow testing figure on and she yeah, she don't take no, she don't say no. Super ship climbing, y'all need to get on here, y'alla.

She was gonna get on boys podcast. She's yeah. On Instagram, you said you have you have you feel like you have to be politically active? Yeah, you say that because because politics affect now I pay top a lot of taxes. Don't we pay by having when we're making taxes? So yeah, already athletes make a hundred million dollars, Like then they can bring home fifty for himself. You started telling my child, I support ALAM. Yeah, so because my money pays My money pays for the suits. So I want to know

what the fun is going on. And I mean that on a very local level. And you know, the best news I woke up to last week was to see the mayor of Andre Dickens, who's from my neighborhood. Um, that really was a ground swell that brought me over to support him. Brothers like Zach who got the restaurant Local Green down there. You know what my man Famou famous artists down their both friends was like, check this guy out. Already knew him and loved him as a

city council person, got down with him. I was whiskasine at first, Casine got knocked out of primaries, gotten hind Andre, We got on bringing there. The first thing he was one of the first thing he was doing was taking care of parks and filling potholes, Like like, you don't know what that means to a neighborhood, that that really came out and for years had been acquired peaceful neighbor with all of a sudden potholes, handing up your grandmother's man on cousin with the rims man. But he started

to fulfill the promise. You know, he started, and that's a very little thing, but he said he was gonna do it. That's a big thing, and he did it. You know, when I look at our Republican governor who appointed a Democrat over a committee that is specifically in charge of making sure that people who are getting out of prison have basic minimal needs so they're not increasing the recidivism rate, that program comes directly out of a black Democratic judge named Asha Jackson went to school of

me Superior Superior Judge UM in the Cab County. That young woman created a program to direct people out of jail and through a system over nine or twelve months that put them back on a course for a solid life. Got picked up statewide because a Republican saw the value in it and appointed another black woman. You get what I'm saying. So for me, it's pragmatic because locally you're just making deals. You're trying to make it work. But to make sure the community gets something out of it.

So for me, all politics is local. It's sex. See the argue of who the president was and who you think is racist and all that Trump as ship. But I'm from the South. We've dealt with a lot of races. You know, Linda Bade Johnson was act but in the South level, yeah exactly. I believe that locally that some things can be done that are that are gonna make

places like Jackson, Mississippi, Birmingham, Alabama, Tampa, Florida. When you start what Jackson, Mississippi, Jacksonville, Florida, I think you can start seeing those places get more progressive and to become more equitable in terms of money. And I don't mean giving nobody no money. I mean giving us contracts. You know, if if if I don't tend tractor trailers, I can own a hunter tractor trailers. And if I can home the toun of tractor trailers, I can get the government

contract and moves oranges up and down Florida's coast. And why shouldn't it be one of us. We don't lay it on the farms picking them. Our fathers taught us how to drive a truck. All we have to do is be organized enough to have a collective to say, now, if we make up this percentage of Florida, then these percentage of truck should behind us. In Georgia the thirty five. You know, we get less than two percent of the

statewide contracts in Georgia. Now, in my lifetime, i'd like to see that move to somewhere between seven and a half of ten percent. But we gotta target those things too. You know, I put up something on my Instagram last week. It was a brick and mortar class. All the students and it were white. So that means we should be

bringing back brick and mortar classes. We should be bringing back carpentry class and mechanical drafting to school's named out the book to Washington for school's named after Frederick Douglass. For school's named after CEO Harper. We have to start thinking that intent. When they talk about building infrastructure, they're talking about building highways, they're talking about refurbishing curves and talking about building roads. Your sons, and I'm talking to

black people right now, can do this work. Look Jr. May not make the pros, but his strong ass can lay some concrets and he's gonna get paid a hundred thousands better for doing it. He's gonna still have be able to buy you that car. He's gonna be able to take here of them chilling he made because he looked like he's dressing like a dope boy. Even though you're going to drug. He's gonna be able to have a stable woman and in the house and married at

Girlly had him. He is back, but he's only gonna do it if we start make sure these boys in trade schools early six teen. I noticed the other day, Uh, I follow god name Mr Checkpoint and always the police. Good dude man talked to us a little bit about that because he had he was so proud when he had you. He posted what you said about him on his thought following this little crazy white white of caliphrazy.

He's crazy at and I mean that in the best and it's I think maybe his honors grand on her grandmother would feed the meters when he was younger, though someone taught him justice early that. You know, citizens do non't matter what you think of your politicians government. It is always the government against you to some degree. Well, Mike, what do you mean by that? The government dude, any time you get a speeding ticket and they just said what you We're gonna charge you and pay you for that.

That's not about saving lives and make you slow down. That's about adding additional taxes to your life. In my opinion, if we know you gotta part, do you want to stay building? If I gotta park, they go see us to my county commissioner, Why do I have to pay? I already pay taxes. And if you set up a punitive system that makes me have to pay a hundred bucks or twenty five bucks even because I didn't feed it with two dollars, you're making twenty three dollars off

my mistakes. So someone in his life was a justice warrior and he has turned into one of epay proportions. He does everything from feed parking meters to ask police but why they don't have their video camerazon police of having to literally come up with counter ways. And this is me, you know, sitting here just like amazed that he's been able to cause this much routing, this with just a camera phone, but showing people how unjust the

laws can be. Well not even just the police, the rule because a lot of times cops don't want you know, cops just got to write to smoke weed and something. I think you know a lot of cops that feel like locking things up. But if you got to make that quote to keep your job, you gotta make that quota to keep your job. So from for me, I see a lot of times it's less about the individual in the uniform and what the power of the uniform grants you that unif the states should fear the people

and not the other way around. And right now we we we we got that turned around, especially in communities that look like shut up, Mr checkpoint and always always feel the police check him out. We shouted him out from the stage and shout two you running Glover and a former mayor, Andrew Young founded Greenwood, a banking system. Talked to us how that thought came about and where you guys currently are with the process when the cards are rolled out. So if you signed up, your car

is gonna be coming soon, please use it. But in the fintech world, everybody's everything is coming here. Our kids listen to music here, my kids. You know it's PayPal, cash aft and the fintech thing. So Greenwood was a part of TOAs Oklahoma, where free blacks win. They built a thriving community themselves, and it was destroyed and encouraged the destruction by local menis path all these in government.

And it was this bank, in the spirit of doing for self, created a platform with working class folks, be you black, Latino, poor, and working class white people. It gives you an opportunity to have a real banking system in your hand, to have a real bank account. It's federally insured. It gives you an opportunity to build credit, gives you an opportunity. Um they're gonna roll out a

loan system soon. And what it did was Andy went to India and he got a chance to see instead of getting paid paper, women get a card to be paid on, Whereas if they were cashing for paper, they would have punitive things. Jet cashing places you get charged. These women, because of the money they saved, were able to start saving silks, saving fabrics, making garments, just creating extra income for themselves and lifting themselves out of the

dirt and wretched poverty. And this can happen here if check cashing places aren't literally swiping and taking, you have an opportunity to save, to put away money. You have an opportunity to single mother or young father, the head of a family, to start to build your credit, to start to look toward owner ship versus rental. So I just wanted to be a part of something that actually helped our people helped themselves. Because you can't save and charity us out of the whole we're in. There has

to be some real economic interests and viability. That's why I believe in things like reparations. Whether it be when do we get them, I don't know, But until then, what I do know is you can reparate yourself by spending less than you earn, by focusing on by ownership, by not having children before you ready, by further in your education, be that college or trade school, and by partnering with other people so that you're not taking off

the financial risk yourself. And that's just commons working kind of ship switching gears. Do you keep up with NBA? Yeah? I like it, but I've been on the run. Man, have we been rehearsing? I like my guys. I like the Hawks. How do you feel about trading hawks right now? Now? I like trail a lot, I like columns a lot as well, and they're gonna get out of this series. If we don't get out of this series, we're gonna come out wiser and come back stronger. You know. I

think that all. I think that we're gonna become a better defensive team in the next couple of years. I think that I think that Atlanta hasn't had a true superstar um since Dominique. But I also would like to say, man, I want to tip my hat to a lot of a lot of old Hawks from you know, Jamal just got out of there. You know what I'm saying, Like, man show it's amazing shots, amazing Atlantic and Hawk. So we've had some We've had a lot of people of

good integrity. You know, Trade sound special, he's crazy, he can throw that thing from anywhere. He's Yeah, now I agree. I agree. We met trying to get the right small for the two card and it's gonna it's gonna go stupid. And so you do know you you do you know what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, y'all, I'll just get high rounded. Yeah, you said Kobe is your favorite player? You have any Kobe stories? Okay, so we we till

called me? He said, Hey, I said what's up? He say, fat, Well, I'm in the studio Kobe up here, Come come come meet him. I was like, hell, yeah, let's do it because everybody who knows we know, like I really, man, I really loved Kobe, you know, really, So I get my wife with me. Man, you know I'm very attractive white man. I married married a girl looked like man piece carrot cake. Man. I mean, no surgery needed. She came already sing right, you know what I mean. I

know she liked tall nigger that can dunce. I had to hate you know what I'm saying. But listen, no man, especially so we were that. I asked the con I said, I say, I say, you say, dog hold him like who I got to watch? I say, dog, I've been I'm the dude in the room talking about he better, he better than anybody like on that dude to them and he said he's summon tells his kid on watching he said, he said he really thin. He's small though, if he can stay healthy. Now I'm for people, so

call me on TV. He had on the cape and a mask. But I'm sure you got some tensities when you've seen him. He thin, like not frail, but just like man, I could not like yeah, like he was thin. So I'm like, who the fund is he talking about? Because I'm looking at him and I'm really tripping that he's not huge. Yeah, And I'm thinking, so, I'm like, I'm this much of a fan that I'm read playing plays in my head like this motherfucker did that. And

I'm a Trail s Freewell fan too. Down the Trail has some size making a movie, but I'm just like this stick up compared to a trade, he is not even that. And as on process and that he says, as this kid at Golden State, Steph Curry, m hm, And I said, who he says, Steph Curry. I saw the scene him player, I say, but he the one he said. I'm telling you he don't want all they gotta do. Stay here that day, start watching step He has never disappointed it. And that ship was like Yoda

telling you about this kid, and ain't Luke. You know what I'm saying, He's gonna Koby Man. Meeting Kobe was a big deal. And then when it was time to take pictures, met him, tipped meet him, tipping my wife just like my wife smiled a little too hard, I said, you know this, she read it like Lebrons, you don't. I hate it. I hate it like and she was pissed. So I was like, so heye, But that he was. He was man, he was he was such a you know, he was really you know, I just believe in heroes.

I don't want to well it's comic books, parables and stuff. I believe in heroes. And Kobe really was a hero. He was a guy who, no matter what where you are on the Jordan debate, he had the audacity and the tenacity to want to be better than his master. Like when you think about that on some Kung Fu movie ship, you know, he wanted to be better than

his master. That is that, you know, the type of self discipline like I'm still trying to have the dup discipline just to do it every day at the morning. But the self discipline it takes to want to be better than your idol, that's that's something. That's something you know, that's herculean ship. You know. When they asked m J about it, he said, the only person that can beat and probably Kovid. Yeah, still all his moves, you think,

I don't know, I want my guys to win. Of course, I know it's a long shot, but you know, I don't I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But you know what though, if my guys aren't in it, I do want to see I want to see Chris Paul Walker. I love Chris Man And yeah, I hate it when the leave blocked him from going out to play with Kobe. But I really think that he's he defines character, you know what I mean? So, yeah, like he is the point guard, you know, he makes the

team better around him. He's clutched when he needs to be. And just like he reminds me of like when you watch those old tapes of Kareem and An interview or Jim an interview, just once he's done playing the character some man, great leader. Yeah, I really I really respect and I'd like to see him get one. Yeah, you're on the board of the Homies in art I am talking about that. How did you come about man? Rand Suffolk who is the director and Mukol who's an amazing artist.

They approached me about it three years ago and I agree that. And what was amazing is I came out of Frederick U those high schools Arts and Talent program. Little y'ally's father is a photographer who also comes out of that program. Little John's person who comes out of the arts program, arts program, you know. So it's like it's a it's a big deal because all our teachers wanted to us to find something we can attach to

and take us all the way, you know. So getting an opportunity to be on the education board, not only just on the board, but on the committee that specifically deals with education to make sure that a museum and a major metropolitan city that has an over fifty percent African American participation ship stays like that in grows. It's

just an amazing opportunity. And I think that you know, you hear what rappers aren't doing from people complaining on a daily basis, But you know, I think that's something to be celebrated, you know. And not only am I on the board of the high I make sure my daughter gets to the Apex Museum and learns about African American coach and make sure when I'm in cities visiting, you know, we go to the museums. So I'm just

a believer that the arts can inspire children. You know, if you want a cheap date or great out in as a parent, go to the museum. You know, take your day to the museum. You don't tell us out let let let that currently we even the last should be seeing something. Artists again. Take the babies. There many grass grass on hot wing. He's out the words, sir, you collect hot wheels. I do love the must the cars. Hello, Hello,

a death story. I just made my grandma. I remember she was taking to kmart when I was a kid, and if I ain't no food, I got a hot Yeah, I'm saying, if I had the food, I gotta ask for him. So I figured the hot wheels was the

easier way to go. But at my barber shop, when we first opened our shop on the south side of thirty sixty one Roseville Highway in Atlanta, the old shop, the prodect shop that had been there, hadn't left the best reputation, so when we were trying to attract new customers, I remember one day, just sitting there, me and the barber's I was like, man, I got an idea, say

everybody give me ten dollars. I ran too, the like the dollar story, got hot wheels, and I said, all your kid customers when you cut the hair giving this at the end of the I said, the one dollar investment, it's gonna bring you nilars every time, and after that it's just are flourishing, start growing, and then you know, I love real muscle cars. So you know, I put my cars in front of my shops. I just bought

about thirty thousand square foot house space. We're probably do something cool in the car world with that, you know, with its villains. So you know, I just I mean, I love cars. I love going fast. Um not teen seven put g n x is is one of the ones. It's called to me and all the car Now you know, I'm gonna have one before I get out of here. And I think I'm gonna finding by myself a demon this year. Like I was thinking the other night. I

was like, man, I could die. The kids didn't Want'm gonna spend all this goddamn and I still ain't gonna be Then got my demon opening the restaurant. Yeah, bank Head seafood Man, fifty year old restaurant. It was the oldest restaurant on that strip or bank Head. Miss Helen Harden owned it from Mount Olive Baptist Church. Shouts out to Miss Harden and we bought it till called me like I said, you said, we want to do something together, let's do it. We got it. We don't went through

a lot of ups and downs getting cleared. We don't went through a lot of fights. But man, it's coming and I'm proud of us. You know. See, I've been in the Lanta a long time. See it's hollow way on. I've been out of that projects and all that knocked down. Now you know what I mean. You gotta be from

the eight you do. Now we call some help to I want to tell athletes and entertainers man like, and the lawyers out there, and you know in the cities that we need to start sitting down with some committees and figuring out your to me in cities, especially through the South, your athletes and entertainers should be looked at as a wave of potential business people and if we partner with them, then we have an opportunity to build business into communities and brands that are gonna be better.

We got a lot of pushback from people who weren't legacy restaurants in the community. At some point um the legacy people, the people have been in fifty sixty years, were like, we're proud of y'all, like, like the community really arranged you guys, y'all doing this, And then we got some pushbacks some other places because of rappers, because

of reputation, because of other things. And I just thought that was shameful because in in my opinion, when people are heroes from a from a local place, whether it's the athletes that are brought there to perform athletics or the people that grow out of there and perform music, if cities and private sector partner with these people and you create a business class and an economic class that creates jobs and creates more opportunity, you create stronger cities,

You create strong economics. And I think that we have the potential again to create more Jamal mash Barns, more Magic, johnsins more Shaquille o'neils. And if we do that, we'll hear less stories of who lost it all, and we're less complaints of what rappers aren't doing. But that only happens when everybody buys into it and everybody does it. So you know, I want to challenge people to do with Atlanta is doing, because it seems to me that people in Atlanta are are cooperating in the way that

Andrew Young wanted us to. He's doing an amazing job him ask him and his business partner Suit you know, shouts out of them, Jeezy, you know, you know, amazing jobs. So I'm just I'm just I'm happy to see you know, even if you look at man, what what Gucci has been able to do in terms of record deals people like, you know, people have been really really generous with the opportunity What what Thug has been able to do operative people, you know, and the people that that he's helping now

opening and you know, babies opening restaurants. So for me, Man, I just want to see more and more on a plethora of that. And I want to see another seat. I want to see them because I want to see them Dallas, want to see them, want to see it in Austin, want to see it in places so that there's a whole new fifty year economy that's created around it. Like people see this side of the camera, there's three

people talking who entertain y'all. On the other side of this campra that dozens of people that are making this happen. So that's a bigger economy. And I think that I think that when this country understands, especially when the African American community is strong economically, the entire country is stronger. That's to me, that's hard Achilles Hill. And like you said, it's getting better. But we never learned to do this. We've always been for fighting for ourselves and surviving, so

we've never thought to come together together. We're so much stronger, so much stronger. They gotta do it, like you said, they gotta do it in the hometowns like where we're from. A perfect example Bun in Houston. They showed Bunn the love and Houston that pulled author should be showing him. You know what I'm saying for them for what he do. You know what I'm saying. And I think that's why people go elsewhere, because they get more love and appreciate

from other places than where they come from. But but it's it's it's amazing because it comes back because Bunn is caught. He inspired you. You're inspiring someone. The legacy continue. You know, if you never if you don't have big Boy one half of out cash from Savannah, do you get camouflaged, get a growing you know, music scene and Savannay and so for me, man, I'm just I just say, man, if you escape in small towns in your mind, don't forget to go back and leave the expation. Don't forget that.

Like Andrean James is one of my Euros forever because he has never left. He's always planning and inspired. Whether it was that he talked about the activity center he started three guys who playing the pros and now came through that center. You know, man, come on, man, that's that's his own private y m c A. You know what I mean, that's a that's a beautiful thing. Well, Uncle Luke has been able to do with football and

South Flora. Forget what he did, you know, we often forget what we did rather in terms protecting our First Amendment rights in the nineties, but the amount of young men whose life he's touched through athletics and just you know, and what athletics you had to be doing good in school, just making you incredible young men and me and fit to marry going out what Snoop has been able to do.

So I just applaud this man, and I think the more we grow because we've only been free sixty years, I had sixty years of free so you know, when you think about that's not a very long time, you know, So don't let don't be too hard on ourselves. Let's support the things that we know we're gonna grow like viola, you know, and let's let's keep pushing shouts out down. Definitely, definitely, man, We appreciate your time. We've got a quick hitters, first team to come to mind and let us know. But

I'm gonna let you start. If you could be remembered by any bar a lyric that you ever dropped, what would it be if any man the first verse of untitled you were witnessing elegance in the form of a black elephant smoking white rhine on terrorists like slang like my king by terrorists? Will my woman be caretta take my name and cherish it? Or wish Jackie yell Trump to Kennedy remarry it? My sister say, is necessary on some clear patrickship. I tenued to agree because the thought

is so disparaging. My grandmother says, no, never that exactly. Then I say, Then I say no, I tend to agree because the thought of so disparaging. The Lord, give a load you got to carry it like Mary did. That's why I'm giving honor to all these baby mamas. It takes a woman's wound that to make a christ of dollar Loma the world. I take the child, turn the challenge to a monster. The world had taken, I'd say the world might take the child turned the challenge

to a monster. The lord to take a monster and fashion him a saint. I present you Malcolm X was older saying that he can't, saying that he won't when I know he will. But you usually don't know what you until you being killed. Real. That was my thoughts of what I thought Dr King would be thinking as he laid out down. That's tough. I'm gonna put you on the spot right here. You guys have your own unique sound out there in Atlanta. Who is your round

Mount Rushmore Ever letter artists, Oh black, it'll be. It'll be a hundred people on the when putting forehead the whole mountains like a big super faith. But I will say I'm honored to be on the arm on the cover that Slam magazine. But they put up something like a basketball team. They had me down there looking like powerful and I got a weight loss goal now including your Body of Work. One album you can listen to from top to bottom, no skips excluding My Body of

Work Man, any and every scar Face album. I'm gonna go with. My favorite s car Face album is to Fix. He always says that are you Mine is on I would say a man made is potentially Yeah, yeah yeah. One quote you lived by man, do what you want to do because you're gonna wake up dead one day. Do what you wanna do because you're gonna wake up dead one day. Man. That's that's solid. Five dinner guests dead are Alive. I generally get Dad all lie, deep conversation,

some good free let's see drinks. Say that dead all live, I go, I go dr King, Frederick Douglas, Eugene Davis, Patrese from Mumba and Hurston. Three women at the table, Well Zoro Zoros. It was the only one. But I think she's just toughest ship she We don't be mostly listening to her and she wrote like her for Riddy and so I just love to hear our top country. Last question, if you can see one guest on All the Smoke on the show, who would it be? But before you answer, you have to help us get your

ass on the show. Oh man, I just called to your roman. Tell me need to do y'all show. Yeah, yeah, we need that. He's about to call him right now. You can't turn that down. Hey, so you don't get no realdy to kill Mike. Mike depicts the pall. Yeah, do we call him right quick? You see, I gotta see. I mean he might be working. Tell tell Joe we did we did with Joe broken up sports podcast. Let's see, let's see, let's see you Joe come over here smoking joint.

Willers talking about when he said niggah man, Joe didn't killed man working, damn Joe. So I can ask act. I love to see y'all talking, So I can ask me to say nigger, nigger? Which one did you say? Don't that I want to I want to say this far. I want to say this far. I'll be triguing, like because white folks ain't got that. We used to be taught that the turn cracker came from a whip cracker that black people made up. But we didn't make that up.

Real white folks made up nigga and cracker. When I say, real white folksy a lot of folks. If you know about the landing, you know about cabbage Town. Cabbage Town, they gentrified, pody fled in the black neighborhoods. Cabbage towns are all white neighbors. I don't pull working class white folks. And the meals would bring them up and use them, pay them a meal, money, overcharged them at the store. They mean they didn't pay them in American money. They

pay them in like a food stamp. So the first people to get gentrified and pushed out the city weren't even black. It was white, but it was poor. They put them out in, pushed them further down to Clayton counter places like that. But the term cracker comes from the master class in the South, these real white folks, the folks that was related to the folks they were breaking away from. So the people that first took the Thirteen Colleagues and ship, a lot of them was cousins

the Royalty and ship. They just weren't high enough on the royalty ladder, so they were still against ship. And also they just found them another land to take. And we're falling off away from a military standpoint. Y'all got across this ocean, we got most sniper rifles because we are and funck y'all, you know what I mean, We took it. But crackers was a term given to those people who weren't cosmopolitan. They weren't very learned that with

gypsy slights moved around. So white folks named y'all crackers, the same white folks that named us niggas. And the thing they had in common is they used cheap and

free labor from niggas and crackers. And because niggas and cracker has been fighting so long from everywhere the South, Mississippi, East Alabama where's Georgia, Niggas and crackers predominantly have stayed poor in places like Mississippi, places like Alabama, and now the federal government and local municipalities fight over slave label. To see, you're gonna cut the grass for free, because

niggas and crackers still fighting against one another. But we're both doing that fighting for the people that name us both. And that's the real white folks when they were all the planter class. So that's just for y'all, niggas and crackers. And know something, thank yall, Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the Heart platform, Black effects Man. We'll see you all next week,