Julian Edelman | Ep. 136 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

but where they get them? Jay's that I can't get them? Stock Mark, They probably can't. They won't be free anyway. Man. We had a special guest today, three times Super Bowl champ, just all around good dude, Julian Edelman. Welcome to the show. The world needs to know that me and you had a long night out together. We'll get there, get there, We'll get there. Bowl. You recently played an April Fool's joke and said you were coming back to play with Tom again. Uh, obviously a joke, but any doubt in

your mind that you still want to play football? No, I mean it was a joke. April Fool's joke target market, you know. But you know they say they say, they say jokes, hold hold a little bit of truth. Yeah, I mean, you definitely have competitive juices that are always flowing in your in your body as an athlete, especially

if you think you could still do it. Last year it was tough because it was still very familiar in my mind, like the agony of being an older player in the league having to do so much more to take carry your body. Now it's you know, I've had that year to like get over that, and you know, now I'm in the mindset where like, all right, my body feels kind of good. You know. Hey, yeah, it's not hurting like it did in certain ways. I know, I'm not putting the same amount of loadage on it.

I'm thirty five, thirty six. It's still olds. It's not to us. I mean football years, football years is I mean what they take. You can't you can't. You can't even you can't put Brady in the conversation. It's like an oxymoron how old he's. It's different, especially to you're you're out there running routes and and and and catching balls and taking big hits. Yeah, it's I mean it's

still hard blocking, that's very tough. I think it's more of the constant grind of like practice, you know, cutting and really working on your craft and redlining your body so much to get the best for Sunday and for the season and for like longevity and staying healthy. You have the redline so much that it breaks you down. So you know that that's what I was dealing with. So how has retirement between you? It's been good? Um, you know, I transitioned to inside the NFL, which streams

on Paramount Plus. Of course you guys, you guys know that Paramount Plus. Uh. In the family. In the family which has been good. Uh, great group of guys, Ray Lewis, Brandon Marshall, Phil Simms, j B. You know, I can't forget about Mike Irving and and to get to sit down with legends of the game and and talk ball and keep your mind in the game. That was a great transition for me. It was very new sitting in front of the camera and having to learn how to

you know, perform. I didn't have any prior experience, you know, B. Marsh she was doing it while he was playing, like then he transitioned into it you know, the other guys have been doing TV for ten plus years, so you know there was an intimidation factor. But then it got me back to like that rookie year mode when you're trying to make a team. You know, it's a new craft.

You gotta like get back into that rookie mode where you just gotta work hard, work on your ship and you know, go from there and try to put it together. What are some of the other business things you're in because you've got your hands all over and I just love for for fans to always hear you know how versatile we are in the business space. We're not stuck to any one thing. We're all over the place. So

what's some stuff we got. I have a production company, Coast Productions, were in development with two shows, a scripted comedy and then a docuseries. I can't get too far into it. We're producing a podcast which I'm doing with Sam Murel, which will be really fun. It's like a historical, uh sports podcast, which it's gonna be a fun thing to do. We're developing that, which you guys gotta come

on sure because of some basketball stuff. You gotta get your take, you guys, you know, you guys know how to get the ratings, you know kids, and I've been I walk into this place. I'm sitting here like, look at this, this is professional, this is so. This is d One, not a kid. We used to say, man, you d one because you wanted to go on. But no that I got that. You know, we got a merch company that we still do. We're very heavily um involved with, uh you know, the Boston market still we

still I still love and support everything Boston does. And then uh, you know, put me in as a charity. Charity organization that I'm working with that I partnered with, which uh you know, we help kids that have incarcerated parents, you know, mentor them to get you know, sporting goods, mentoring, you know, trying to get these kids, you know, on that right schedule because of the cars they're dealt with, you know, you try to help them get their's right.

I love to hear that you touched on something, uh that I want your perspective from, because I'm sure it's unique. Uh the sports fan in Boston, Yeah, and just the culture of sports. And I know you're someone that jumps to Celtics games and obviously you're running with the Pats and the Rings. But what is that to people who I've never I'm I'm a pro athlete, and I gotta taste of going in and out like the people that will never experience what that sports town really means and

what it's like. Yeah, Boston is you know, it's there's no like regular seasons like summer, fall, winter. It's Bruins, Celtics, Pats, and you know that's how they had to go by the seasons. That's how they go by seasons, you know. And Red Sox can't forget the Red Sox, you know, I know, I know, uh, you know. I grew up in the Bay Areas, so I was very accustomed to pro sport team city area. You know, we didn't have big college football. We like the Niners, the Giants, and

the Warriors. You know, the Sharks were expansion team. So I kind of got that in back in like those early nineties, late eighties with some of those really good baseball teams. The Niners are the Niners, you know, so I got that. I'm a Niner fan, and then I moved over to Boston and it was like a whole

different level level. I mean just the history that each and every one of these proteins have like they're from the start, you know, and then being in a dynasty team as with the Patriots and developing their history and their their footprint and being a part of that, like you know, it's been an unbelievable experience. These people love

their sports. They expect winning. I mean, you got like twenty year olds that have seen championships and every every single sport, which is ridiculous, you know, and now you know it's spoiled, it's re reshaken, and you know how how it goes in sport, but uh, it's been an unbelievable place to play. People love it. Blue collar, finger in the nails, you know, it's it's been crazy. You can run from Mayor out there if you wanted, Mighty Mayo Walsh, no, no, no Mayor here. Red was city bringing,

like upbringing. Had an older brother seven years older than me, so he was always with my ass. So I was like a real small kid. I never took ship from anyone because of you know, I had an older brother. Wasn't scared of no one, and you know that kind of created a chip on my shoulder. Played baseball, basketball

and football until high school. Was a late bloomer, had to go junior college when to Juco College of San Mateo to get re recruited, played quarterback, balled out there, ended up going to Kent State after that, played three years there and then ended up getting into the league. You know, I was always the the tough white kid that was more athletic than anyone thought that that he was.

And I was always the only only guy there, the only white guy they're hanging out with all the fellas, you know, So like I grew up around That's what I know, you know, and then dipping into you know, getting in the league and you know, being in that kind of locker room and having to reinvent myself and become you know, a receiver that was like a whole different,

you know category. So that's that's what my upbringing was that helped me get to where I'm at right now, because everything that I had to go through as a young kid, being a guy that was overlooked, wasn't big enough, wasn't fast enough, wasn't strong enough, but was always the best at you know what he I was always there, you know what I mean, So I having to deal with that it helped me in my future to deal with getting in the league and hearing those same types

of things. So you know, I think everything happens for a reason, and uh, you know, everything is laid that foundation to get me to where I'm at right now. You said other sports it wasn't nice and hoop. Now I wasn't nice. I was athletic. I was a football player basketball. Huh No, absolutely not absolute Billy Hoyle out here, bro come on, no, Uh, you know I played a bunch of au when I was really young because I was just rat athletic. And then you know, I was

a football player. I couldn't play basketball, didn't have the vision. I didn't know basketball like I knew football, or you know, baseball. Baseball too much a d d for it was too slow and probably should have played that would have been a lot richer and a lot less pain, but lost less. You know. But Party nine is growing up a port of Nina fair. You got any Party nine of members, because I'm sure he wants to hear him. I the

one that sticks out like real hard to me. I remember watching you know, the Niners are the Packers in the division round or the wild card every year they will beat us. Every year they beat us. And then that one year where Steve Young trips in his drop hits uh Owens over in the middle and on middle read splits the Safeties puts it in there, catches it and he was dropping ball game. That's what people don't realize, crying on the side. That's one that you know, I

remember that was a big win. I don't know, man, I remember a lot of like the Jeff Garcia days where it wasn't very pretty. I remember. I remember remember Jerry Rice day when j hades not a fans. We both said the same, you know, we just become best friends. We did Scotty gun shots, will do it. Yeah, I remember,

I was so hurt. It was Jerry's day. It was Jerry's day, and jo went off, and then Jerry went to the Raiders, and then I love Ki became a Raiders fan because everyone loved Jerry, and he went for a thousand in his forties. He went for a thousand and went to the Super Bowl, right. Yeah, they went to the Super Bowl Rich Game and they lost to the Center Center. But that's when Gruden left the Raiders.

When they went to the championship lost the Buck or the Pats in the tuck game, and then he flipped sides, went to uh Tampa Bay and won it with Tampa Bay eat the Raiders. H the next year, good old days. Enough of this segment, Enough of this segment. I was just in Jerry's world. I don't want to come from Jerry's world to hear this. Yeah, I don't want to hear this. Who are you any role models? Growing up?

Role models? I'd got to say, my pops, my pops, you know, looking back on it, Uh, you know he came grew up, you know, in the trailer park without a dad, and uh he was always the example for me. You know, a five to five guy, get home from work, take me to go practice baseball, go practice basketball, go practice football, didn't matter. We were practicing everything. But he was also like a Dudley do right, you know, a guy that you know, had his own little business, came

up from nothing. Uh always just always was a good example. You know, he had his fireside back in the day, you know, but like to overcome that and do what he's done to give me my opportunity and allow me to you know, leap frog our family. You know what I mean there's always like that, that parent that has to do that grind that gives his kid the better opportunity. So then you that kid hopefully takes opportunity and makes his family even higher, you know what I mean in

that in that whatever um an opportunity. So you know, he's been a huge influence on me, you know, especially after having a kid. You know, I got a five year old girl and all those things you heard your dad say that, You're like shrugging off, what is this guy? No, you know, you're young, dumb, little kid. You know, you're starting to see those when you're interacting with your kid and you're like, man, he was actually doing the right thing,

you know what I mean. So to have that which I don't know where he learned that, because he didn't have a pop, you know what I mean. So like learn on the fly, learn on the fly, self made guy that that's always been It's something my respect. You touched on fatherhood. Obviously now being retired, you have more time and you have a daughter. What's that like? It's awesome? Uh Jack, you got what four daughters? Four? Five? Yeah,

the little little girls. Hey, we're all the statistics. Um nah, it's been awesome because you can actually get in her environment and and do the things in her environment. You know, as as a parent that I lived in Boston for twelve years, you know, first three or four years of her life, and I was in New York for the last six months doing inside the NFL. She comes out for a week a month here. Yeah, she's out here in l A. So she come out for a week

a month. It's not really the same, you know, it's it's tough and you don't see your kid for three weeks and then you know, to have the time where even if you don't have her, you can pick her up from school, take her home and be in her environment, be around her friends. Like that's been like a huge eye opener and an awesome experience for me to get to see that, you know, taking her to soccer, practice piano, getting her to tennis and and you know the whole

you know, parent life. It's it's fun and to see the progression from each week when like gymnastics or you see here that she struggled on the beam and then the next week like she gets it, you know, or like soccer, you know, like scoring goals and stuff that stuff like that's pretty fun, you know, it's awesome. I mean, that's one of the reasons why I left early, you know what I mean. I signed a three year deal the year I ended up retiring. It was for those reasons.

I was missing school stuff. I was missing sporting activities, birthdays, holidays. It's just like damn, like those are the days you can't get back. You can't, you know. And and it's just crazy. You know, I grew up from I grew up in like my fan my parents were married. I'm not married, you know, with with my daughter's mom and like to have that that whole it's it's a it's a hard life, you know what I mean, you got a burden of you know what I mean, I please

don't take me back. Yeah, it's hard. So and and it's a learning experience, you know, it's a learning experience. And it you know, if if you're willing to learn, and when you're green and you're growing, you know, that's that's always the best, you know, And that's what I've been learning as this has been going on. So it's been an awesome experience. Yes, there's ups and downs, but you know, as long as we're going up. I think the best thing about us is we don't get credit

for our hearts and the people we are. Like a lot of people don't see what we really go through, you know, being a father that's not really there, you know what I mean, it's it takes a toll on you. I think that probably the most I've ever cried in my life has been over my kids and not being there and you know what I'm saying, And and that distance and the friction that it may cause, they may cause, it's not even really there, you know what I mean.

So that that dealing with that alone and be able to still be a father that provides a protecting all that it takes a lot, and we don't get credit for that. Hey, you know it. It's very tough, even when you don't like for when you don't have your kids, You're you're thinking about your kid, you know, constantly, you know, whether it's something that you see, something comes on the TV. You know, there's always something mind your kid. And so that's you know, and then you have to you're being

a provider. You gotta go out and perform and do what you have to do. But then you got like a natural guilt or you know, it's there's a lot of things. There's emotions, and that's I guess that's parenting, that's life. We're trying to just bottle these things up. And right. I remember my mama said, used to tell me all the time I was a kid, that's when you know yours. You know, that's where he just like didn't realized the rise off, didn't realize it, kept the conversation.

Remember my mama told me, she used to tell me all the time, and I used to stay out the house for like weeks and don't come home. She'll be like, one day, you're gonna have your own kids, and you're gonna see why I'm sitting in his room stressing. I just stay going for weeks. Why are you not? Why do you ain't tell why you didn't call it? Check in? Nothing like that. She's just I'm stressed and missing work

and all that. And I'm like, you know, I'm alright, I'm a grown man now being away from my kids and know how things happen. No my kids traveling, playing sports and all this stuff, and I know how dangerous things are, you know what I mean. So now I'm going world, world, World, transitioning. You said you were a late bloomer. How tall and how much did you weigh going into high school? I was like four eleven a buck? Oh five buck? Five? Yeah, that's little. I was little.

I was a little kid. So like, so how tall are you know? How much you right now? I'm five ten? Probably? Like what was your playing with? Okay? So you just you just it's just a coincident. You're playing weight, but I'm two pounds under. I'm just saying, I'm like, I'm s So it's just a coincidence. You've been having all the time off are you still playing with? Got here? It's up to it. Stay in shape, l A. It's always sunny facts facts. So especially as a retired guy,

you know, I'm my body clocks all fucked up. You know, you're like right now it Coachilla just happened so over like guys not in good and that was always like all right, we have the next day. You know, you gotta be a month before that. You know you're not working out as much, so you feel, you know, it just feels weird. You're you know, because you're so We're all creatures a habit, especially as athletes and the routine

that we've gone through. And if you've played you know, ten plus years or something, I mean, especially from when you were a kid, that it's essentially the same go to school, fucking practice. Now school was just you know, go to like film and and installations, which is like a class of its own, and then go to practice. So you know, my body has been all crazy. But I was a late bloomer. It was full late bloomer. Can we do coach Heller next year? Come with us.

I've never been this, I've never been. So we just said Chandler Parson yesterday and he drove back the morning of and he was I don't want to say on him. He had a tough time just getting through the morning. Yes, he's just like bro. I had to pull over and the rest stop and take a twenty minute power naps as he went hard. Yeah, you got you can't drive that. Come on the first time. Next year, we're gonna get a Showtime house out there. Next year, we're gonna Showtime

how at a Showtime jet and a Showtime helicopter. They're gonna helicopters here from l A. Should we get the show here in l A? And then we'll go do the show there for two or three days and we can and it will go back. Lucky the boss Man is here right now, so it's just crazy. Yeah right behind the camera. Yeah, target market, target market by target market market, run the car. Do you said we're in Hey? So when did you feel like was it sa mateo Kent or was it finally when you made it? When

you feel like you were on the radar. As far as I know, I could really play this ship. I've always known that, but now I have a chance to take it to that next level. My whole life, whenever I played football, I felt like I was best football player in the field, and I always had to hear people say no, there's this. Like even until I got to the league, I felt like I'm the best. I was always the best football player. I didn't care if he was faster than this. I felt like I knew

the game. I knew the vision. I know how to set things up. I knew how to run the open field. I knew how to make guys miss and how to break tackles. I knew you know where they were going to out tackle us. Played DP two d be in the NFL for a little bit for like a coffee, A coffee, a coffee. I mean, it will get into that,

you know. So I was never always the guy, So I was always having like proved myself, and I was always a guy that had to like worry about what was on my plate at that time in my life. And so it was like that until like five years into six years, seven years into my career, you know, where you you constantly have to prove yourself. And I don't know if it's like that or if I just think like that, or if I'm just fucked up in the head where like I had to like train myself

or like make myself think things. But that's how I've always felt. I never always thought like I always thought I could play football. And of course you always got a little nervous and certain situations like your first college game or your first pro game. But after the first player, after you zone in and you've been prepared for the opportunity, you know, once the ball hits your hands, you get that first hit, you know, you're like, all right, it's football.

This is the same ship I've been playing my whole life that I you know, I know this ship. You know what I mean? So I've always felt that way. Um, and then like in my career, throughout my career, when I like the question you say, when did you feel like you were there or something like that, I remember any time I felt like that, I ended up getting hurt or something. When I remember, like in two thousand

and fifteen, we just want our first super Bowl. In fourteen, I was going into that year like I was balling out, having career year, and I remember just sitting back like, man, this is pretty easy, not like easy, but like like sh it's good, you know. And we were like ten and oh end up going breaking a foot, you know. Then something happened. So then after that, like I became like all right, I can't think like that ever, you know.

And and that's how I had to think. And that's how I had to have my mentality in my mindset in order for me to prepare my best. You know, I wasn't always the I was an asshole, you know, but I had to do that. I had to psych myself in a certain mindset. You guys have all played with someone like that, you know, and I'm like that, you know what I mean. I had to do that to keep my play up right, I'm not mad at that. I feel it. You started your career early on as

a quarterback. How would you explain your quarterback and style kind of quarterback where you terrible? I just do that, can run and kind of throw. No, you know, I was. I was a decent college quarterback, dual threat guy. Um, you know I I look back on my my throwing days and my quarterback days after playing in the league and learning a little stupid things here and there, and what you if you eliminated certain things, how much better

you naturally could be? And I I just I was like, yeah, I was such a dumb quarterback, Like all security was terrible throwing picks. I'd have like four or five plays You're like, oh my god, what's going Oh that's a bad motherfucker. But then you have like ten plays where I'm throwing the ball, interceptions, ball security putting the ball down like I was running around that thing toning like

a loaf of bread. So you know it. I had some good plays, but I wish I would have took care of the football more more gratifying, like a dope pass run or just a picture perfect pass for both for touchdowns. For me, it was a past because everyone expected it. As you know, I was that guy where I could take off and run on guys. Uh. But if if I got like a good pass, that was always that was my thing. That was him for you.

I got you. You always want what you know what you always want to do the thing that you was you weakness, and that was a weak thrower. So I couldn't be in the NFL quarterback, but the British Columbia Lions did ask me to come and play quarterback from the the CFL. The CFL after retired after my my last year of college. Okay, so I was like debating that because I didn't I never played receiver. I was like,

I don't know, man, how did that transition happened? I was just talking to my pops, and you know, he's like it was like a super incentive based contract where it's like a hundred grand you get like another hunter grand if you start you lead top five and PASSI like fifty grands. I'm over, You're doing a math and I'm like, man, it's like two hundred grand. It's two thousand nine. I'm you know, coming out of college, like

that's a that's a good money. Six figures, and then you know, I thought to myself, like I didn't grow up dreaming. I wanted to plan to see if I at league. So that was it sounds simple enough. That was it. Seventh round draft pick. Thoughts going into the draft. Uh, I just wanted to get drafted period, period. I was like a late round guy athletes. So when you were then in the combines, what did you I didn't go to the COMBA. Okay, yeah, so I had to add a Pro day as a receiver or as just whatever

the funk they needed so I can kick too. No, yeah, I did receiver drills. The Steelers made me do like dB drills, like safety drills. They made me catch punts, kicks. It made me do a lot of things. You know. It was crazy that the Patriots worked me out like three times because the draft process, you go, you do your combine, then you have the pro days, then they have private workouts, then they have visits, and then the draft.

So like I started getting I ran some good times, so I started getting a lot of calls for like these workouts, you know, and then like the Patriots calling and they sent out their running backs coach and Ivan Fearce funny ask guy, and uh, he made he put me through some drills running back stuff, and so like then I go out and work out for like Chicago.

I work out for the Miami Dolphins. Then the Patriots sent over the receiver's coach and usually teams don't work out two times, and so I do a bunch of receiver drills they and then they leave and I go work out for another team, and the Patriots send their special teams coordinator Scotty O'Brien, and so he makes me catch punts, does all these drills. I'm dropping balls left and right because like catching a punt, there's an art to it, you know, like and I didn't know the technique.

You know, if the ball turns over with the right footed punter, if you know how they turn over, then it's gonna go to your left. So you played on your right titty. You know, if if it doesn't turn over and it stays up, it's gonna die and go right victory of the other one, you know, and then vice versa for left kickers. And I had no clue. I was just over here trying to judge punts. And if you know that, it's different, So I dropped a bunch of punts. I'm sitting there like I'm not getting

drafted by the Patriots. I thought I was gonna be a dolphin and these these jokers can't pick me up. So it's crazy. What was your first introduction to that team? I mean you play. You said you had a cup of coffee as a dB. When did you because Welker was well before you? Was he still there? He was there? I played for four years, Okay, so when when when did you kind of find your spot? I had I

had to make myself versatile. Uh my first year, I had like thirty six balls forty three balls with playoffs, and Welker got hurt and I had some production and so like I was thinking the next year, I'm gonna I'm gonna ball out. Well it's coming back from the A c L. And that didn't happen. Welker played, Randy played, we traded for Dion Branch and I was kind of

like trying to find my way. So I was doing special teams, returning punts, uh, covering kicks and doing that, making plays in the kicking game to earn myself opportunities down the team because they kind of moved on uh and you know that next year I had like seven balls, and next year I had like seven balls, and then like my fourth year, you know, I competed well in camp and I got a lot of time. At the beginning of the season, broke a foot, broke a hand,

so it didn't really get going. And it wasn't until like the next contract. I signed a one year deal. After that, Welker ended up leaving, going to Denver. I signed a one year deal. They wanted a two year I wanted a one year UH League minimum. And in thirteen and had a hundred and five catches for you know, a thousand yards when Welker departed, uh so, and then I got paid and signed like a four year deal

with him again. So that's when you know, I kind of got my break and my opportunity on the offensive side of the ball. But for the first like three or four years, I had to grind and I was like playing DV was playing fucking special teams, and you know, I loved it. You know, I was a teamer. And then that's like a different player, Like those guys are usually you know, they have to back guys up, you know,

for roster spots. But they have to be a badass motherfucker on the special teams in order to make yourself valuable enough to be on a team, because there's only fifty three spots, you know what I mean. So you know that that was my career. I had to grind and grind and battle through injury, you know. And then once you know, I got some more opportunity and earned more opportunity, that's when you know things went well, too good with Randy moss Man. I was about to motherfuckering

asked that question and he was good. How good was he? And what was he like? Because he just sounds kind. I never got a chance to me and he just sounds so Country's still country. He's still the best thing about like Randy, Like in practice, you'd see these crazy catches, you know, he was just like it was so easy to him and one on ones like and he had

really good judgment skills. When the ball was in the air, he would run and at the last second he would just go boop and go because the dbs are waiting for you to put your hands out to hit your hands and Randy would just he would It looked like he wasn't even going and he would just rainbowed in and just keep it and keep moving, or he would just moss dudes. But like you know, he had the one handers all at the time on the sideline. He was always really good at that. But it was always

the best when Randy. Randy would fucking come in on Saturdays, which is like walk through day, mental day, day before game. Get you you start a little later, everything's kind of like we're just mentally turning up, got to travel or whatever. Meetings. Randy would roll in and every week give us like a breakdown of what happened on sixty minutes the night before.

He would it would be so funny the way he would say ship because his country as fun He'd like this bitch over here thought he could kill his Like we would sit in our whole receiver meeting and Randy would he would tell us like we're supposed to be watching ship, but when you're vet, you know, he runs the meeting, and he would sit there and he would tell us about it and he'd be it was just so funny, and we'd all be dying our receiver coach.

He was a rookie at the times. Chat o'sha he's with the Browns Now He's sitting there like, yeah, Randy, can we get our meeting started? But he was like in pre pre practice lines, Randy was always funny, like he would just we would line up in lines offense, defense. Randy would be over on the defensive side making fun of Willfork the whole time. Will works over here making

fun of him. Bill roll around swagging his damn fucking whistle talking to Ship to Randy, Randy talking Ship the Bill Like he was fun to be around, you know what I mean. That's that was Randy, and he was a bad dude. So you said your first obviously a few years you were on the grind. When did you feel like you started really developing a relationship with Tom. I started developing a relationship probably the second and third year.

My second and third year, because I found out he um trained out here in l A. And we were represented by the same agents and doing sports, and I was like, Yo, let me know when he's out there, so I'll fucking pack up. I'll move to l A and train out there, and so he needs me called me the first year, like one time packed up the middle of anything, fucking left, everything went out and threw

with them called me more. The second year, they started calling me, you know, regularly, and we started working out. And that's how we learned each other. You know, because I I as a receiver, you're so dependent on a on a position with the quarterback. So let's be honest, you can't you can't burn the hand that feeds you. Whatever he says goes because he's the one who's gonna

get you the rock. And the more I know what he wants me to do while we're doing routes on air, and the way he's learning my body language, he's learning how I get breaking and out of cut more. You know, that's when you start learning, guys. And then I already know. You know, in the middle of a play, you would say middlefield closed and we run. I had to change my route in the middle of the you know the play.

You know, then I'm I'm it's training you. You know, your your your mind and then you're you're figuring each other out, and you know, that's when you know we we developed a chemistry. Was always in the off season. It wasn't until I got my opportunity because he had that,

he had that chemistry. Welker welcome was sucking due. Welk was really good and I learned a lot from him because similar though you got similar sizes, he was a little smaller actually, he was like he was like five eight, about eighty three, but he had he had these releases in his fast twitch was so insane where he like he could do like three or four little steps in front of like a dB that's pressed on him because he had such choppy feet, and the guy would commit

in churn and his hip and he could just go and get by. So his routes were really good and I got to learn a lot of stuff watching him, you know. So you know, but that that chemistry that he had with Brady, I had to develop that in the off season and that's when, you know, once I got a lot more opportunity. That's why I clicked and we were able to keep it going. Yeah, he should step right in, he said the first year Hud catches. Yeah, yeah,

I would say, what's he like as a person. He's I think obviously starting to come out and talk a little a lot more. But the day to daytime we only get to see the game time. He's one of the boys, you know, he's He's a really cool dude. He's fun to be around. He got like dad jokes, you know, like he because he's like forty three, you know, so he'll be like throw a little joke out or something. You're like, all right, that was like funny and two

thou three bro. You know, so like there's banter always, it's just soccer talks. He talks hell is ship. Yeah, Brady talks ship. Brady loves to compete in anything. We go play knockout because Brady, you know, golf, Brady's competing ping pong. You know, He's gonna do everything he can to win. He's not letting up. If he's playing his kid swatting him. You know, there's gonna be a time where little Jack's gonna be able to beat him. It's it's not Brady's, Brady's breaking his heart, you know. But

you know he's that's what he is. He's a competitive dude. And it was always funny because you would see these young ass kids that get in the locker room. And I was a young kid when I got in the league. He was like thirty three, thirty four, and then he played like another twelve. He's still playing in fourteen years. So like there's like guys that were like not even born playing with the guy that they saw their whole

life as just a crazy freaking god. I mean, he's a Michael Jordan of the sport, you know what I mean. You see a kid who's twenty two, twenty three. He's been doing that for like the last six years, dealing with these kids. Like so he goes in the locker room and he doesn't get to feel a lot of the you know with the older teams that you know, the we're boys type ship, you know, because guys are like this dude's famous, you know where like everyone he's

had an order about him. When you walk around him with the young guys, like they're like scared to talk to him, you know what I mean, But he'll try to joke, you know. So it's it's changed, and you've seeing how it's changed, and he has his you know, he'll link up with his guys or something, you know what I mean. But now he's he's always very inviting to everyone. He's he's like awkwardly nice, but he's definitely an assassin when it comes to competing, like in anything.

That was always the funnest when when like the best was always when he fucking ran for a first down. Like he would get up so fired up. It would be a it would be a six second three yard game, but it would be like a third and three or something. He would get so fired up and he would getting guys faces. That's that's when that that was fun when like, or you play the Steelers and there was some ship talking going on, he'll single out someone after you throw a touchdown and go up to full What do you

say about that? Like his touchdown wasn't pretty though? No, absolutely, He's like a Clydesdale, you know, like Cadillac. The thing's gotta eat go. But it's crazy he's but that's he's a fun guy. Man. What was one person always wanted to know not to cut you off? What's Gronk like? He just looks like animal. He's a big kid, and people forgot it was crazy not to catch you off.

I saw something maybe like three weeks ago on early Gronk and how but he was a cold People forget how good he was when he first got a athletic and strong and running over people, and dude, Gronk was insane. He looked. I've said it so many times. He looked like an eighth grader playing against second graders in the league. Like there was a five, like a four year span where you couldn't tackle him. And that's why guys started going low at him, you know, and then he blew

out his knee when they went there. He can't get him down. Guys will be hitting this guy and he bouncing off, and he was so athletic and fast and can make catches like he I think he's the best tight end that I've seen, not just you know, in this era, but I and Gever, like what the what makes him so much different than other guys is he was a monster in the run game. Great blocker, great blocker, great. I mean he he like ended vander Bosh's career, like he hit this guy like and that's not good. You

don't ever want that. But like he was like a little last kid like he was, and this was Vanderbosh. She was like one of the baddest dudes. I remember that in Detroit and that's when I was like, man, this guy's fucking beast. And then you saw him in like Washington where he's like dragging people like his early clips are insane. I mean he's still I mean, he's uncoverable still because he just he's got naturally great hands.

He can judge football and he's never really covered because he's still big, but he's not his you know, like those earlier gronks. When you get older than football, you're smarten up, you know what I mean. There there's like these little things that you would do when you're a young player. Probably in basketball too, you're like, instead of like yamning on someone, you all right, we're good on

my knees, you know what I mean. There's these little calculated things that when you're young you just go, and then when you get older you're like, man, that's that's a four week injury. That's a four week sprain ankle or knee. If I make this. You know you're not thinking that, but you're you're definitely a possibility. You have the rare, rare opportunity of playing for the same coach your whole career, whole career legendary to go to Bill Belichick.

Was there any bad moments in that time? I wouldn't say there was bad moments. There was learning moments. I mean I learned on how to be great just through example of Bill Belichick, you know, and also Tom Brady's a lot of the players, but Bill, you know, with with his formula on what he thinks is best for his football team and how disciplined he stays to that formula like year in and year out, and it's it's amazing.

I've never seen like, I haven't seen complacency kick in with him on on a lot of factors, you know. And you know, it's been it's been a crazy, crazy, crazy like moments. Even think about you got to play with probably one of the best coaches of all time in all sports, you know what I mean, This, dude, it's nuts. I'm interesting. I'm super interested to see how he's gonna do going forward in the new league, because this league has changed. It's it's it's it's completely different.

It's more like basketball. The spacing, you know, and and the playmakers on the outside is just changing the game, you know what I mean, Freedom and wrapped and all that ship. So it's gonna be it's I'm interested to see how uh you know, he evolves. You do you do a good impersonation? I heard, and he gives us something a little Belichick. He's like, just demoralize you through like the simplest way of saying things. It was with his tones and like his actions. He had Bill too.

It was like low lights after practice he would throw on the next day in the morning, or something a bunch of shitty fundamental plays or something that we would do in practice and like if you dropped a ball on the flat or something. He would sit there and he would rewind it. And this is in front of the whole team old team, fucking you know, sixty guys regular season with practice squad and all hunter guys because you got coaches and all the people upper division. There

he was sitting. He would rewind it like three or four times, right where the you the drop is, right where the drop is, right where the drop is, and then he would fucking he would look at like the crowd of the team because it's like a pavilion and be like, you mean to tell me you can't make a wide route catch in the National fucking Football League. We got kids in Foxborough High School that can make this play. And then he would rewind it like four

more times and he would chime in again. He goes like me and fucking Ernie can make this play and then he rewind it, and then you go back and you assholes can't make that Like that's and it wouldn't It would be very subtle, but you you would be just sitting there like if it was on your Fuck Jesus, can we stop it? Just the embarrassment, like I've just seen three thousand fucking guys make this catch in this league, three thousands, Like it's just that's how he is. How's

the fun Bill? I mean you said he was running around talking to Randy and lines like the ship talking fun side because we only get the short answer, Bill, Bill's fun man, He's he's a competitor. The better you were, the more you could get away with them, you know, especially with the defensive guys's defensive coach, So d guys are always talking ship in a happy mood because they will be backing them up and call it in practice.

But like we would be talking ship, you know, and you'd be like fuck you in the middle of like stretching and stuff, because you kind of know we have like a third down period. It's Thursday, it's third down, and we've been emphasizing our third and short boat team as a team are like ones versus their ones, like that whole you know, they used to call a competition period.

You're not going against the scout teams and so like we'd always just talked shipped to each other, and you know, he his the way he makes fun of guys is like it's extremely funny, you know, I like, and demoralizing because he can bring in like facts and players like you think you're fucking LT. I played with the best, I coached the best. Fun Like he loved LT. You

know what I mean. There's certain guys you think, like he just seen so much football where he could just demoralize you with like something he says along those lines. I love it losing to the Giants, unbelievable season, getting to the super Bowl. I wasn't playing that much then. That was like my third year in the league when we had both the tight ends and we kind of that's when the change of like re revolutionized offense when we brought in Gronk and Hernandez. Gronk was beat up,

ended up losing that game. That was that was terrible. That was that was you know, going in the off season the next year after a loss and then you know when you get the Super Bowls as a team, you lose a lot of guys after the Super Bowl because contracts, everyone gets paid, you know, you win it or you get to the ball, everyone's getting paid, aid

and leaving, you know. So then we were in another rebuilding stage going into thirteen, which it was like a lot of turnover, and then fourteen came and then you know, we went and wanted it, and then you know, we kept it going for for a while, like I went to eighth straight. Like AFC Championship games. We talked at so you get your first ring h nine catches one

on nine. Uh. I had another show before I did this, and I got the rare opportunity to sit down and talk to Marshawn Lynch on that you know, money two yards from the goal line to win the Super Bowl and they decided to throw it, you guys. So he told me how he felt and how all the dudes and the huddle were stunned. Even Russell Wilson kind of hesitated for a second. What did you guys think watching that?

Like you, everyone in the world knew it was going to him, and when it didn't, what was your immediate thought before even before the interception. Put in context, we got smoked that fucking play all week in practice, all week in practice because like Super Bowl practice week, everyone's like tense, everyone's flying. You know, you want to feel good, play good, and so like when the defense is out, usually we'll be doing things, we do, our work, our sidework, and then we get in and we want to see.

I want to see if the defenses have been studying, you know what I mean. I want to see where they're at, if they're feeling confidable. And Josh Boyce was running this little rub route like twenty times, smoking us on it, smoking us on it, and right when they went to that formation we had to like to play. I'm sitting there like we're gonna fucking throw this thing, you know, and then it happened. I didn't know it was picked, like we couldn't see on the sideline and

then he picked it. I'm like, oh my god, we just want to sucking super Bowl. What the they fucking through it. I'm sitting there like money is gonna go in. I'm going through, like my how much time we might pretend actually have. We might have thirty seconds, you know, twenty six seconds? What are players we have time outs, you're going situation football. You're thinking about it, and then

it happened. You're like, oh my god, thank god they threw in that moment, you ain't stopping playing the game. Dante Hie Tower the play before he fucking got him down, and you gotta watch the replay like he got him down when he was down with like an arm and he got Marshawn lynched. I went that arm. That was a huge play. And then you know, obviously Malcolm made that and then he made the play. I mean, it

was in it was in their head. I remember that you gotta beat up, you gotta jam the first guy, and you gotta break and that that was the coaching point that they were trying to get all week, all week. At one time it mattered the most, and then boom so got it. That was nuts Gate. NFL spends twenty two minutes to investigate, y'all. It's the spends Brady for four games. But you just looking because like I said, I'm a huge football's first for me, I was a

football player playing basketball. So I love hearing the inside side of this ship because I'm a football player. At hard you think it was bullshit. Yeah, uh uh, I mean there's some bull Like if you look into the facts of this whole thing, like both teams balls were deflated. Well you know what I mean, like there's a there's a whole I think it was, there's a there's a

witch hunt hunt. I mean that was ridiculous, not to the point where they went like you know what I mean with with all the facts and on both sides this that as much as everyone wants a bitch and a plane and and that pissed me off, honestly, was it? Uh Baltimore something said something? Then then Indie and then Indy you know the next year we played them. I was so pumped up. I was so I was too fired up. It actually made me not play as good.

I mean I balled out. I had some some plays, but like it took me out of my game because I was so fucking at it and it was like trying to rain up my guys paray. This was four, So this was a big super Bowl. This was like he just tied Joe, He just tied Terry Bradshaw, you know, all the quarterbacks that had four you know, and then like this and then he goes out and the whole

next year it's gone, We're good. And then we in sixteen he fucking suspend um and then we go out when the Super Bowl, like I don't know it was, it was it was crazy, man, I don't know. What they were doing was have a preference uh no, more of the tack attack of the ball and like because like they put those balls through like a huge Each one of those balls is like probably hour of men work like a game ball with how they rub them.

They put like the leather conditioners on them. They'll get like a a bin of grass and they'll rub them in the grass. They put them in the dryer. They want they want to get that that like you want to beat up kind of broken inversion. And that's what like a lot of those like that's what most of the quarterbacks do. They're all like very close to their their guy. So you know, I don't really care. But the tack and like the humidity outside or or you

know that that's all huge, especially with what glove you're wearing. Everything. I always liked a little humid with like a little tack on the ball. That was always that was stickies money, We need the stickies out. Actually want the money in their game. Yeah, y'all down in the locker room. Actually one of my friends house and everybody I'm to my is in Atlanta. Everybody going for the Falcons have time down, which I was thinking in the locker room, I'm talking

a ship. Still, this is Tom Brady. I'm still talking cash. In the back of my mind, I'm like, damn, I have lost my money, you know what I'm saying. But I'm talking ship. I'm still ride with you, which I think in the locker room, I was like, fucking it. I was embarrassed, you know. I was like, man, we can't go out like this. This is ridiculous. That was like my initial to myself kind of moment, and then you know, you get into like, all right, this is

Super Bowl. No one ever gets blown on a Super Bowl Denver Broncos back when the Niners did, remember or the Chargers of the Charger score the Chargers, you know, so they're all you know, as long as we kind of just play one play at a time, you never know, like let's just kind of focus up. The things that we did in the first half were like the three things that we said we couldn't do. We couldn't turn the fucking ball over. You gotta score points in the

red area. We threw a pick six in the red area, and then you know, you have to score touchdowns in the red area. We got you know, we got stopped twice when we crossed their forty. So like little things like we were driving the ball. It wasn't like we weren't doing things. We were getting things done. It wasn't as clean as we wanted it, but that's how super bulls are. This was our second one at the time, you know, as this team was going on, so he kind of felt that, and you know, then one thing

led to another. We were just making plays and just trying to stick into the game plan, you know, and and tighten up the stupid mistakes. And once we did that, you know, that's when you know we started playing well. And I think a lot of that had to do is they were running us all week that week, Like even after the Super Bowl, we were still doing condition and Bill will be trolling as fucking his whistle and he just yells, put it in the bank. While he's

while we're running up we have uphill runs. He's like, just put it in the fucking bank. You gotta deposit the hard work, like you say, ship like that when we're running and we played like a hundred and five

plays on offense that game, which is a lot. That's a lot of play ace and like we tired him out, you know, and then we were able to execute when we were tired, and and all those little things and and playing one play at a time, and those all led to like the most unprobab will come back, which is still crazy for watching if you watch it, like I'm I'm sitting there like, damn, we had to do everything right. I missed halftime in the third quarter. You

guys are getting blown out. I took a nap and woke back up, and then in the fourth quarter, no bullshit, I had people at the house and it's just too high. Um, but woke back up in the fourth court, like what the fund is going on here? You know, came back and went it crazy. Uh a c L injury, Um, you told us before. Interesting aside. I asked if you didn't mind share in this. You were trying to obviously

come back from that injury. Uh take take it from there. Yeah, I ended up getting popped for uh unknown substance unknowned substance, you know, so you know went into that I had to get I got suspended for four games, which in you know, in the grand like looking back on it after an ah L at thirty two wasn't wasn't particularly bad to have four extra risks, you know, and have more under your belt. But uh, you know that that

was a shitty situation. But in order to keep my routine, I don't even know if I'm about to share this, but I got to go to the Celtics facility and and they took me in and let me rehab their use their facility, sitting you know, like keep my routine like a professional athlete. And that's when it was. They were in training camp. So like I was around there, fellas where for the Kyrie was there, Robert Williams, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Tye, Uh, Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart cos he's

been bawling, man, he works hard. Yeah, first guard to do it since Gary Payton. You were in the locker room too, right, I was in the locker room with so yeah, So what's the difference because like in the basketball locker room, we're all in they're talking ship. It's a kind of a tighter circle you obviously, and I asked you before, like your NFL locker rooms or defense, offense, special teams, kickers, what's the How did you like the

basketball environment? It was awesome because they were all on like they're on like their own little schedule, you know, like each guy had their shoot time. You know. It was a little more laid back. It was less intense. I'm not gonna lie, but I think that's because they have more games and there's more you know what I mean.

It's like baseball slow grind, you know what I mean, like ours, Like in our training camp, we have ninety guys on there, and and you've got guys trying to make the team, and guys are like walking on glass because you got the turk walking around cutting jokers left and right. You know. So like it was just it was it was different, but like it's also a different sport, Like it's more individualized where you guys are sitting working on your you know, your your craft seven just boom.

Everyone had their own coach and you know, like it was a lot more player driven, like you know what I mean, we're like cattle over here. Get a bunch of mother you know what I mean, like, get the big guys over there, get the little guys over there, you know what I mean. So, like the I thought that having more coaches for more like like less guys, I thought that was probably an advantage, you know, as

far as you got you know, a receiver room. And the beginning the year, we got sucking eight teen guys with one coach. So for the younger guys, you know, it's harder for them because they're really catering to like the guys that are gonna play, the guys are making the team. So like, those are little things I thought about, you know, when it comes from basketball to football, you know, because we don't have like a minor league, we don't have a G league. So like it's don't get in

or you're out transitioning. We're almost finished here. Um. You've been a big advocate fighting anti semitism. Jack was in an incident about a year year and a half ago. Um, and then you guys have since talked hung out and actually talked about actually doing something in the space together. Yeah, we definitely did. We gotta get something going. Let me tell me what tell me, tell the world what is

about what's going on? I mean we're right here at showtime, so I mean there's no we gotta make something, you know. It's basically, you know, we had we were both here for Super Bowl and be him and Espinos, and we all went to dinner and after dinner, me and him and us one had a good night out shipping back on Grandpa's old cough medicine. Maybe yeah, the Devil's letter. Yeah, we had, we had. We had a good time. Man.

We got a chance to actually talk about a lot of stuff, uh, dealing with all that, man, and we want to We came out, we start talking about when you do a show together, Yeah, you know, do something just like you know, everyone's first instinct when something happens to their people their community is to like put a

guard up. Like instead of putting that guard up, let's put a hand out, and let's like understand that to understand what's going on, you know, just have a conversation because like half the time, like when we look at these things, and I don't want to generalize or come off is wrong, but like both the people are usually like the same, right, you know, and there's like a

miscommunication just a different color. And I think that's something belief or you know what I mean, It's just something's different. But like when it comes to like personality trade similar fucking the same thing, you know what I mean. So like that's always been my thing. Like let's like try to educate each other on on our communities because the more we know is that's when you start to grow.

That's it right there. Everything is just a conversation. You know, when you're green, you grow when you wripe your right, when you think you're done and you you know everything, that's when bad ship happens. When you when you're green and you want to grow on something, that's when like you learn right, and when you learn, you grow absolutely quick hitters coming down the final stretch. If you could pick one receiver that you've never got a chance to

play with, uh whatever, Terry Rice, Terry Man. Could you imagine him drawing Jerry Rice drawing the coverage and I get to work inside. I'm just saying, when when I get a cowboy on here, everybody like questions, I love, Hey, I would play with Mike play thank you. I'm mager. That's my guy to excuse moment he comes out. You just don't know, yes that I had to hear U c. L A. Ship the whole day. Now I got to

hear Party nine and Ship the whole day. Like to rub it in, what would you want to play with if you did that, you had never got a chance to play with like all time, all time Montana John, just get it, get it. I mean it would be pretty Uh. I think it's pretty fun to play with. Like Aaron Rodgers too, from the back from from the Bay. He's from Butte Chico, Yeah, up north. Yeah, I've been working out with him, yeah, saying he's so cool. Really yeah,

he's super cool, dude. There's some guys that just have it, you know, like that that wrist or whatever. It's dude, It's like it's crazy to see how he delivers the football like so nonchalantly and it just goes thick at the wrist. What's the difference to him and Brady Ah that you see, Brady is the same guy always. I'm saying, like as far as quarterbacks, same guy always. Yeah, no matter the situation. Yeah, he's gonna get the best out

of his players. That's all I really know. You know, So what I mean, Like, I mean, Brady's He's won seven super Bowls. Yeah, that's the You gotta play your best, but you gotta play your best football in the playoffs. And we've seen over the last few years with Aaron Rodgers. You know, he hasn't been playing his best football. You could say how it's know the team or this. Hey, I'm not reading minds. I'm reading mannerisms, and the mannerisms are telling me the last four years, these guys are

number one seed or whatever. I don't have the actual statum. IM a crazy stack guy, but they've been up there where they should been representing the NFC and they haven't. But who he want? I want to see the Packers, you will, I want to see it. I thought they were gonna take it last year, pre season last year, I took the Packers to win it. But then it just went down this road again and then they're now we're losing. We're losing. Adams Brady shows way more emotion

to me running into the Niners. You got to stay, that's not question. Brady shows way more emotion and passion during the game before the game and all that. You know, like you just said, and Rodgers real noncellant and I'm gonna go through you know, his wh Yeah, that's his way. We're still great, still great. Top five then I guess dead alive. Top five five people you want to have a meal with. Man, this is like a tough one. I think Clint east Wood would be pretty cool to have,

you know what I mean? Clint east Wood would be really cool. I knew that, Huh. I like Blues and Ship Muddy Waters. I want to hear stories. What was that Cadillac Records? Is that the movie? You saw? Cadillac Records? No? I just I have my Spotify. Have you seen cad Records Muddy Waters? I mean I would I would be pretty cool to like talk to Steve Jobs, you know, just kind of get his perspective. I heard he was like kind of big asshole. I want to see I

want to see it. I want to see it, you know, because you know a lot of a lot of like you know, big leaders are like that, you know what I mean a little different. You have to be cover boys. So what am I? That's three four Marilyn Monroe. That the stories and the conspiracies that I've heard, and I would want to feel her energy to just like what she's like to be around. Like that's Kim Kardashian. That's

modern day. That's modern day Marylyn Monroe, like if you think about it, like and also there's so I'm sorry I can't agree with that book ahead how she's like the big the biggest thing really in the middle world. That's a great comparison. I'm not mad at I never looked at that. We wouldn't make sense. Glam girls. They're glam girls. I'm not saying, but like wanting Monroe get on c sext type I mean by you know, Joe Dimagio, a bunch of like like you said, I want to know.

That's why I wanted to have the dinner. I don't know, but I want to. I want to know the conspiracy. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of ships. Four that's four and then the last one. This motherfucker' said a sex tape. I think Denzel Washington is pretty cool man because I I hear his perspective on social media and like like interpersonal communication skills and how we're so like different now and like I think he I would learn a lot and like be inspired and just like like a pregame speech

to life. He's the guy, you know what I mean When it comes down to it. Like you see a lot of his clips on social where he's like, like I'd rather enjoy a moment in so to take a picture and have that memory or something, you know, Like I don't know, but like that. That's a different I like the group a lot of different types. First thing you do when you wake up and the last thing you do before you go to bed brush your teeth. M fundamental. You gotta wake up, brush your teeth, throw

a child, and get a coffee. You know, sit down, get the day going, Get the day going. I'm gonna ask this question because we talked about it. I think we kind of talked about who hits you the hardest in your career. I got uh, I got smoked by ray Lewis coming and we talked about it and we do a show together on inside the NFL streamoun Paramount plus Shame was plug and I've told him like three

or four times. He hit me once where he like knocked me out, and I think he was kind of he was kind of feeling it too, and like I walked over to the sideline and it was someone I thought it was Felodi Nada and he's like, hey, buddy, your sidelines that way, and so I started walking another way and then he hit me so hard another time in uh in the playoffs in two thousand nine, I scored a touchdown and he like tackled me in the end zone and like kneed or elbowed my ass and

I had like j low butt cheek full like ten times bigger than my left I had like a hematoma and they had to like go in there. I couldn't sit down for like a week. We got leiminated. I wouldn't have been able to play like. It was so bad. I couldn't fly home for like a week and a half. So thank you Ray than you know, keep me in Boston more time. Landry, he knocked me out of the

game one time. Ryan. It was when he was on he was on the Denver Broncos for a little bit the end, and he knocked me out so hard once I had a star for two weeks in the top right corner of my eye. He hit me on a crosser came down and he was so polite after he hit me, He's like, you right, young fella. I'm like, yeah, am I still on Earth? I asked questions, who would you like to see on our show. But before you answer you a question, you have to help us with

your answer. Oh, that kind of knows a lot of people too, Yes, he knows a lot of a lot of goats. We gotta get we gotta get Brady on here. Thank you. I'll take Brady your boss or Randy. I'm gonna try one or the other. I'm gonna try both both. Why not? Why hey Tom, get on on, Tom quick playing. We'll come to you. Tom will come to your house, Come to your house. We'll go on, man, anywhere you're at, anywhere you're at. We're there, Baker's Bay. Brandy'll pull up

to he said, he'll pull up. Randy would definitely come. Yes, well man, we want to thank you man for your time today. We have a gift box for you. What is this just a little uh goody boss for you with some merch in there smoke. Yeah, go ahead and check it out real quick. And then Julian and Jack show coming, Shoot coming, Jack, Julie, catch your nice little sweats fire Jack has on. It's like shattering but with smoke. Basketball. So you're in way, you're in space. Yeah? Is that

actual smoke? Yeah, that's pretty I picked that up. That's Jack. Where can they get that at? All the smoke that motherfucking store. But O the motherfucker some white guy. Yes, that's tight. Yes, that was that was. That was Jack's idea. I gotta get for this stiff. Yeah. That's walking on the beach with your daughter. Yeah, Yetta, get her little one. Yes, a little little little smoke man. That's a rat with Julian Edelmand. You can kiss us on Showtime Basketball YouTube

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