John Salley | Ep 164 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

coming soon. Is that like Chappelle's Black Party or just different? What is it? You know? In two thousand and five, Yeah, I took over for You're about to uh show. No, I took over for Steve Harvey in the morning and radio. So I called it John Sally Black Party. But then I registered that name because I just knew, you know, after TV one did what they were gonna do, I was going to I know, television is constantly moving, so I kept it, and so I was doing to John

Sally the blockchain, you know, talking about crypto. So I just kept the block party and I brought it back because it's more than just crypto. It's more than just the blockchain, just it's conversations on health, this conversation with music. I got bumby Chuck, d Ralph Faelsa dick uh. And then I got like legends like uh, Frank Brokowski from the from Seattle and from Santa San Antonio. He choked me, he got hit by Dennis and jumped up and choked me.

And I was like, break it's me, yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't all look at like his lips entirely different, uh, entirely that that bottom lip is just not he would. I don't know how he never had a busted lip. Like as much as he like put his face places, it should just be blood everywhere, but it's not. Um, I love the rod uh. And that's it. I just decided. You know, I started back. It was Spider and the Henchman in two thousand eleven on Adam Corolla's network, and

we were getting mad numbers. But you know, I didn't know. I was just having fun. And then I started seeing I was getting the main views, and I didn't know what that meant. You know now I know how much that means. You've always really been big in the entertainment space. Uh. You know, we were talking not too longer. When we came into the league, it was less talk about business. It was more about cars, women, jewelry, that kind of ship.

You came in the league way before, so who no telling what that conversation was like, but what we'd cause the same thing. When when when the business of basketball strike you? Because you were one of the early as far as I said, like, I started to doing movies TV shows. I played in the NBA just to get into the movies. That's that's what that's what's magic. Hey listen, I'm a O. J. Simpson fan, Fred Williamson, Um, I was. I'm a big movie fan. And then I said, I

want to do movies. And what I realized is that athletes in order to get in front of the TV. Joe Namath, you had you know, if you won and you came to Hollywood, they would put you on shows. That's what I thought. Um, but I n eighty nine. I came in to lead in nine eighty nine. They gave me the microphone at the All Star Game in Houston, and I walked in the locker room like for the slam dunk right before the slam dunk competition and the security wasn't gonna stop me, and inside stuff was just

like on me. And you know I'm with Ron Hopper and you know when he's snapping, he don't stutter like when so I got him, I got Dominique, and I just said, man, I like this. This is the easiest way of doing things is to literally be in front of the camera. Then I was friends with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence and I came out here and I said, this is it, this is what I want to do. I mean you you mentioned both their names. Uh. This is a little later in the show, but let's get

to it now. That the character you played on Bad Boys, And how did that happen and what was that experience? Like, well, I was in Miami and they told me that they were downtown, and I went downtown. I met, uh I piste off Martin really quickly. Didn't know him yet, No, this is my man. But he was engaged to this girl and UM named pat She was MS. Virginia's fine.

She still is fine. Uh uh. She used to be married to Emma Smith and then she no longer went but mind he said, so I meet my girl, and I looked and I said, y'all got a prenup and he got pissed automatically, so we will know you just say, well, some bad said it to me. I said, hey, this is my fiance said, y'all got a prenup. Like he didn't. He said, you know, get the business out of the way, because it is a business contract. Yeah. My wife has been chief of staff for twenty nine years now. Um

uh she manages a small village. Uh. But then I we're walking upstairs and man, you don't say that in funt of my girl. Man embarrassed me like that and all these people. I was like, I don't care about those people, you know, I'm asking you a question to send bad asked me. And then when we get up the set, the director is yelling and screaming and we'll walk in and I said, who's that. He was a young director and he's screaming and yelling, and I go,

you know who's screaming over there? And he bust through the door and it was Michael Bay. And Michael Bay shot my commercial for Nike. And he was like, oh, what's up. Man. I'm saying, hey, you're directly Yeah, I said, I heard you yelling. I knew that voice. And he goes, Mom, he's funny. We should put him in the movie. He said, you're the director. He said, you got a sad card? Oh yeah, I gotta sad. I don't know what a sad car there? Yeah, I got a sad card. Any

kind of card you want? I got platinum, I got gold. And then uh, he said, yeah, all right, we're gonna get in touch with you. And when they got in touch with me for Bad Boys, I got there. He said, so you're gonna play this nerd. And while and these are the lines, and we're talking. As we're going through the lines, were walking, he was like, uh, put these glasses on. And I put the glasses on, and then he was a ripplet, sleeves down and he was like a handcuff him. I was like what. And he knew

how he was going to shoot it. He knew what he was going to do with the camera. Now, I've been friends with Spike Lee since college. Spike an't never he put a basketball movie, didn't put me in. So to get in this movie. I'm sitting around and I'm thinking, I can't curse in my first movie, and I gotta be a nerd. I can't you know, like like Steven said, I gotta be myself, so I gotta I gotta act like I do no computers. I was like, let me

do what I do. And you know, it was four hundred and seventy seven seventy nine dollars that went to my SAG because I hadn't paid my dues. But that's that's another star we don't. Yeah, I didn't know anything, but I did a commercial, so I was in sack, but I didn't I worked it that way. But then that was it. After that it was Eddie with Whoopi Goldberg. Then it was then I got on NBC. I just kept wanting to be in front of it and I got blessed with the best name spot show. Let's talk

about your upbringing the NYSC in Brooklyn. Is that like I'm a Jehovah witness kid that you know helps rob people when I'm not, you know, knocking on your door. Uh? No, I was. I played with the greatest coaches. My first coach is Bonnie Davis. Uh he's recovering from cancer right now. And then Ted Gustus, who I still talked to to this day. Um, Jerry Paul Mona was my high school coach, and I just you know, I was a kid from Brooklyn, and if you know anything about New York, you stay

in your borrow. And I was playing for different soul Stars, then the Gauchos, with with the great Gil Reynolds who had Bena King, Sid Green and uh Albert King, and then I me and Pearl Washington, the great Pearl, we went up to the Bronx to play with the Gauchos, which was a feat in its own, you know, getting on the train and going outside the borow. And when I started playing for Gauchos, I was with Donn Marbury, Stephmarbury's older brother, Henry ham Andre Andrea h Irvin like this,

great great players from all over the city. So I played in every park except Rucker. And the reason I didn't playing the Rockers because I didn't want to run across a kid dunk on me and I lose all my reps. So that's exactly all I did. When did hoop come into play? Though, I'll talk are you? When when did you stretch out? Well? I started drinking toxic waste. Uh. I always say that. Man. I was six when Eric Jones, father had the perfect after for park chop Sideburns. He's

watching the Nick game. He's like, man, basketball players get all the money and all the women, and they got the best clothes. And I never forgot that. Never. And at twelve, my mom didn't let me play, so I was in the park all day by myself. Everybody else had going to play with Dippmos. So I look at it as from twelve, I said, at eighteen, I gotta go So I got six years to become the best.

So I twelve years old and I was. And then when I was fourteen, my brother, you know, Magic Johnson had just gone pro and he goes, You're gonna go pro at nineteen. He's how old you fourteen? He said fourteen about you're gonna go pro? And I just sat there. You know, I gotta go pro in four years. That's my mentality. And then uh it was college and I was like, I'm stayed three years and I stayed four years, which was the blessing because I got to go to Detroit.

But from twelve years old, I was. I played basketball, I think from fifteen to eighteen every single day, whether it was snow on or not. So I was dedicated. Anything else beside basketball. Just played basketball. Yeah, I tried to do comedy. I didn't try to do comedy, you know. I letna tell you. I used to listen to Richard Pryor albums quietly and and try to mimic every sound Richard made. And then I would watch Flip Wilson and Uh but Richard Pryor. I would every every album I

can possibly listen to a Richard Pryor. Uh did Gregory? You know we had albums then they didn't, you know they didn't have Yeah, you had to listen to the comedy album Bill Cosby. I still got the albums too, so I would listen to him to learn timing. Um, I knew I want to do, but I just kept growing. I kept getting taller and taller, and everybody's you know in the l A is below five eleven. But uh, I still did it. I got my comedy timing to a point. I was just telling them last night they

need to go watch Which Ways up Classics? Yeah, that rich Way is up? Is is Richard Pryort his best? Uh? Georgia Tech, you get a chance to play with Mark Price? Um going over to Atlanta? What was that like? Well? When I visit Georgia Tech. It was Super Bowl weekend and they were cleaning the streets. And I ain't never seen that. It was Super Bowl weekend in Atlanta. In Atlanta, and I think it was Super Bowl weekend. Yeah, I

think it was. And they and Georgia Tech was playing against North Carolina against Michael and them that the year after they won the championship. Uh, and I that was it. I was like, I'm coming to Alina. So everybody had a job. Uh. Everybody at Delta were black. Everybody grabbing your bag was black. Everybody at the hotel was black. I got to upstairs, called my mom's and I said, I'm going to Georgia, tex He says, how's the school. I don't know. Black people got jobs in Atlanta. I'm

going here. Uh. And then school was I went to school year round and everyone else, you know, took this. Yeah. I didn't take the summer off. I played in the summer league and I went to class. Uh. I had a plan. I still got a plan. It ain't working, but I got what was your name on that boys Fletcher and my father? Yeah, yeah, man, Jordan Tech was on quarters. It was hard man. So I was like, you know, what I'm gonna take, Uh five classes of quarter like the way y'all are doing it, piling it

up and the Nah, no, you ain't gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna live that life. I'm going I gotta go over the Spellman and clock and enjoyed myself. Yeah, I got women I have to impress. So four years Georgia Tech drafted number eleven overall to the Pistons. Uh, same class as Dennis Rodman. First impression um of that team, Well, Dennis Robin and you know they used to take the top fifty plays the Hawaii and uh they took, but they made Coach Crimmins was coaching the South Tea, so

I knew what the offense we were gonna run. And then Dennis was my roommate, and he grabbed every rebound and threw the ball only to me. He did not throw it to a guard. This is true. I missed three shots in a week because Dennis graded rebound. He gave it to me. I put in the basket. So I loved playing I still I love playing with Dennis Robin. And then when I got there, So you gotta realize, as Adrian Danley Isaiah Thomas as Bill Lambert, this Sid Green,

who was you know my guy? And Rick Mahorn and I'm just like, we're gonna be good. I didn't understand it's a business called basketball. And uh, first day they got in a fight Rick and uh Sid, and I was like, old on, man, you gotta break this up. We are team. And Rick hit me chin and Sid kicked me in the knee and I was on the ground and I realized I was playing in the position and uh, Chuck Dallie just stood there, looked at me. Everybody was looking at me, and I was like, nobody

was helping me. Get up, young man. You know, shut your damn mouth when grown people are talking. And I get up, and Joe Dumars is like and so I realized right there, Um, we are all individual companies working for one company. And it was real quick my education came. It was the best thing because my vets, um, I would teach you something after beating you, kicking your ass. Yeah, keep your left up. Yeah, and uh talk to people from a distance like basketball players. I'm gonna kick your head,

you know you do it. That's how basketball players talk. And uh, that's how you're supposed to keep it at a distance. Was it rookie hazen? No? No, I carried Adrian Danley was my vet, so I carried his bag. What was he like such a talented players? Do you hear stories though obviously we all know he could play, but you hear stories about who he was as a person? What was it like for you as a rookie? And I called him the teacher like I named him, like

when I tell you, Matt, you can guard people? Cannot God Adrian Danny, I'm telling you that he's in his and I'm telling you. And he used to laugh, And I used to say, who who can we can Matt guard Dolf ses No, he's a sinner though, ain't he? Yeah? He couldn't you could? Danny Shad This is funny. Dwhite Howard is one of he does and get his props. I said, that's a question, Jonathan, I mean Fletcher, Um, he would foul. No, That's not what I'm asking is

that I can't believe it's taking that long. Okay, you gotta okay, let me let me hit you with this. This. This is one of the last Jewish players ever. He's playing for his life. He was like it's like they're coming to get Danny Shays was like Joko Joe Jo, I'm I'm talking about I'm talking about dog Shakes. I said it right. He topped seventy five. Oh from the fifties. I don't know, yeah, but he played in Denver, was a player, yea yeah, and then Danny tops five. He

should be. You gotta understand too. But is he better than Dwight Howard in his time? That's let me let me hit you with this, all right, so let me let me hit you with this. I didn't adsw to the argument because I didn't know who he was. This. Let me hit you with this. Nobody does. Man, let me tell you about this. Just listen. They got paid thirty five dollars. They played in Converse, they taped themselves, They taped themselves, and they played all the time. They

smoked cigarettes at halftime with drink Bear. There's just different mentality of people still doing that when you know this is just different, different mentality. Uh, Dwight is amazing, though. I just don't think Dwight got uh the right situation. That's the way I look at it. I'm just I'm just so upsetting with you No, No, I love Dwight. They tell you, I want those shoulders, man, I used to think I had them in ship. I want to show this what was the state of the NBA when

you arrived. A crazy thing I heard it was they said at one time the lead was too black and too drug infests. That's that's what I heard. That was. That was a saying, right, And uh I remember, I mean it was a good time, some good times going on. I guess. I guess they made smoke a cigarettes and drinking beers at halftime look like yeah, yeah, you know. Drugs was amazing. It hit the league just like it

hit the rest of the country. And uh, I'm playing against guys that they say, Hi, man, you could not tell. And some of these dudes, if they were getting high, they were that good and whatever they did in the extra curriculum had nothing to do with their basketball. I didn't see any suffering on that point. Um, so I don't even know noticed that. I didn't get high. I didn't. I didn't drink. I just like women, um, which was a drug in itself. UM expensive drug, expensive drug. But

that that was my thing. I like, you know, y'all go get drunk, and I wait, then I come into a biggie, I come up from behind who with always admitted. I mean you you were in the NBA for or for a long time, So when did you kind of see that start to change. I started seeing the lead change when the money came into it. Um situation. There

was no money. Really it was money, but it was no real money right in the n b A. And then my second year of my third year, it was John Contact was offered that deal and got like three million dollars, and every big man behind that was like, if he gets three million dollars, I get six million. And I happened to be lucky enough to negotiate two years after that UM. But then everything changed. We had the Pistons with the first team with a private jet.

We had round Ball one, and when we won two championships in the road started realizing it because we used to fly commercial. You get there the day before, you have a late afternoon practice, you go to dinner, you go to the nightclub, you go to the strip. During whatever it is you got the early practice, you played the game. You stayed at night, which was detrimental. Right, there's more babies, uh in different cities. There's more chances as you getting robbed, there's more drug used to there's

so much to do. When we got the plane, we flew in that night four so we practiced in the day and we took a flight at seven o'clock, six o'clock, five o'clock, five thirty. And then you know, when we finished playing, were on the plane either watching the film for the next game or the game we just lost. Which was stupid to me that they didn't just always show the next game. They would always like, you know, Chuck Della be like this, you see you see a player,

he goes. That's always said throughout the whole plane, and everybody's watching on these monitors. So we were able to stay focused in basketball way different. Yeah, because you know, and you say that they didn't call out to pick you should have seen it, you know, anything going through it was we we had I tell you, I was driving here, you know, through Topanga, which is a is a canyon here, and I was just looking at all the beauty and I was like, live in a vacation,

but I literally live a dream. I don't remember not one NBA basketball game I've ever played it because they were all that important that at least as the way Isaiah and Bill Lambier had my mind, like each game is important, not just the big games. Every game is important. So I really didn't get to enjoy it because when you win, you got fifteen minutes. Coach, calm down, calm down. You know we won, but you know we didn't dominate. That that's you know, I'm verry up. I gotta get

out of here. I gotta get to teach you at Fridays. That's what the girls are so so I I was, you know, always stuck in. Every game was intense, every single one, So I didn't get to really see it. But when I look back at it now, I look at something people want to talk about. Who's the greatest and the ghosts of all time? Y'all never play against Larry Bird. Larry Bird give you nightmares now if you have to sit back and think about it. Kevin McHale

would smell like garlic on purpose. Rubber Petrovic remember that playing Patrick Man. You can't even punch him and it's not gonna do anything. Yeah, you would have been great because you're back in the day. You can fight and then when they break you up, they just tell you to calm down, calm down, calm down, put them over there and get somebody else in form. And then and then I coached, come by and go. You know, you

don't get paid to fight. Now, I was like kind sometimes yeah with that team ship, where would you put I mean you mentioned Larry Bird? Where would Is he the greatest small forward of all time? Like? Yes, yes, so what do he is? Lebron? A small forward? In your opinion? Lebron? Lebron could play off five position? So okay, so you're not so he's he's like magic, So magic Lebron over here, Kobe and Michael over here? Okay, uh lyve Bird and everybody else over here. But now, King,

can you compare? No, I'm not saying who's better? Can you compare? Obviously a different kind of game? But a Larry Bird and Kevin Durant mhm, Kevin Durand is my favorite player playing now. I've told him not a thousand times, Um, Kevin Durand is not Larry Bird. No, no, Dant. Kevin Durant is six and eleven and shoots the ball above his head. So's bird? But what's six nine behind his head? Yeah? While talking. We'll just talk to you too. I'm gonna shoot this right, and then I'm gonna go to the

other side next time and shoot it again. And he would he would go, I'm gonna shoot this and shoot it and be talking. I told you I was gonna shoot it. And I remember one day he was just talking so much to me. It's go one to I got two quick files, because you know what that means. You gotta sit down somebody else come be a highlight reel and and it would where are you? It would

where are you? And he can dribble pass. People didn't realize he was six nine, So if you thought he was gonna lay it up and he would dunk on you like two thirds, didn't he have a game? We shot all left? Oh he could have left. Yeah, well I tell you this, I tell you stack. You know how you play defense, you lean and then they don't do this anymore, but they and they do a fade away right, Everyone did it right. Guys would bang you and then fade away on one leg. Try to be

like you know, uh will chamber. It would hit you and go like this, and then you would fly by and he'd be like stupid I'm just constantly snapping, saying things like yo, yo, God, I'm gonna give you fifty tonight. You know, he was like, Oh my god, they're not gonna throw you the ball. They're not gonna throw your ball. I would love to play with the best. You had so many different personalities on your team. I mean, I've

growing up. You know, it was the Lakers and the Pistons and the Celtics in the eighties who you know, grew up watching um But you always hear about lame Bier and Isaiah fighting. But there's a lot of strong You're a personality, Rob me came, that's a personality, Lamber or Isaiah or Mahorn Dantley, Like, what was what was it like just on that team, I can go this way. So Isaiah sat here, he's captain. Then it was another person here, and then Joe Dumas is at this end

aj and Dantley was here. I was all the way closer to TV and Rick Mahorn and Buddha and then Bill and Bill Vinni Johnson side over there. So the deal is, these are all grown men, huh. In the locker room, they're all grown men. And when they talked about Isaiah Bill having a fight. Um. That wasn't until um. But they were those two captains like ran it like like you would see on TV. They ran it like that. Um. No one said anything to Vinnie because Vinnie was the man. Uh.

Joe Dumas was quiet. Adrian Danley and him used to whisper uh because they don't talk right. So so you know that guy, and then you know Dennis was Dennis and I were just happy, uh, just to be around it. And it was then we had Marco guide when they d left, and they just grown men. And it's the only way I can put it. These guys were in their thirties and um, chuck every That's why I said it was intense. I laughing giggle until I get to

the arena and then there's no laughing and giggling. And then after I lose, after we win, I'm gonna talk ship and I'm gonna laughing giggle. They didn't like that a lot, but I would do it. Um. But those dudes were Each one was intentive and he was gonna come into sixth man. He was gonna get the ball as soon as he checked in. He's gonna get the ball right away, Isaiah gonna get him the ball bill and Beard was allowed to shoot threes um, which was rare.

Uh funny saying it now. Uh Rick mahon was going to beat if the there's a big man, he was gonna bang on him and talk shipped to him. So we just had we had like literally everybody had that role. I grabbed the ball one time, and you know that's why I love Kevin Durant. I'm driveling down call because I'm in New Yorker. Chuck. Then have a whistle, yo yo yo, yo yo. Hey, you know who that guy is right there? Yeah, Joe Dumar. You know that guy's it's as the Thomas. He said, next time you grab

a rebound, you throw it to them. Don't dribble it again. I don't want to listen. Grab that dude, stop, get him out. One time said all right, get it, I'm gonna pull you and you get paid caught in the minutes, I grab rebounds, no more dribbles. Just like we had rules. We had rules. You stuck to him, and we did in practice something that I never saw anywhere else. We practiced the two minute drill for an hour. We we always practice what would happen if we were down three,

if we're down five? He would practice that practice, that practice that well. As I got older went to teams, I started realizing guys didn't have training on what to do in precious situations, and so our practices were technical. And you post a stay in shape. That's on you. You know what I'm saying. You stay in shape or you don't stay on the team. Speaking of the great Chuck Daily, Uh, why was he a perfect fit for the Dream Team? Oh? Daddy Rich, God rest his soul

because he knew how to handle men. Like I said this, each player is a fortune five company. To know how to make all of these companies work together for one goal is a is a trip because certain guys have to get paid. I have to get numbers, certain guys have to give rebounds. They're doing sentives. When I played, you had to play in order to keep your spot right. You know, they didn't have to play you because they gave you so much money that got to play. You know,

if you ain't playing right, we're not playing um. When Chuck knew how to handle people, Chuck was like like Michael Jordan, loved them like they would play golf, they would hang out. He talked to you as like a man, he said. He said to me one day, he said, you keep playing like this, I'm a trade you to Milwaukee. And he knew I didn't like Milwaukee. He said the O no nightclubs in Milwaukee. He said, there's bars, and it's not Detroit. It's a country town. He said, I'm

telling you that's what's gonna happen. So he had to say to me, yeah, this he talked to me. It's one thing he wasn't and didnt yelled at you at the game. He yelled at me one time on the bench and he was screaming at me and I was sitting and I was like, all right, coach. And then William Berfer said, why are yell at you? I said, because he can't yell at Bill right, because he knew he couldn't yell at Bill Lambie that would shut him down. So he came say everything to me, and I was like,

all I got. You went before you. I know what it was. You played in the era, obviously when that dream team was built. Have you seen a team that we built center can compete with them or beat them, compete with them. No so because that this cock about the Redeem Team and all, like you feel like Redeem Team was dope. But let me tell you Michael Jordan at that time and Kobe Michael was yeah two he just won his second championship. Um, no, no, no, it

was he was a crazy human being. Charles Barkley, he led the team of scoring and he realized he he had to be the bad, mean American in order to get some some camera time. He had no problem with it. Um, John Stockton, No, no, this this Kyrie Irvin would have dribbled all the way until Charles Barkley hit him. I mean Charles would have hit him after a while. Child's Wood just would have ran his ass and then been like stop all that dribbled him. And and it was

a foul that it wasn't a flagrant file. Let's call your mother, let's watch the video. The cops are waiting at the locker room. There was just a file. Um hard fouls what we would call it. But I look back Larry Bird. Having a bad back is one thing, but having magic and Larry On on a squad just negates anything you're ever gonna bring to me. I like here because We always have people talking that didn't get a chance to play in that era. You played right in the middle of that era. Yeah, I didn't get

a lot of sleep. I started balling real early. I didn't know why I was getting bald. I didn't know it was stressed. But but I mean, we had to play against Magic Man, and then I had to guard Worthy. He got forty two, he got twenty on me, and he didn't talk. He didn't say work any time somebody say twenty, it was really about twenties. No. I knew when I looked up and they just started putting the scull like players that was on the board and the Lakers.

I looked up, I said, what eighteen? That comes from night? Oh, I'm about to fail you again. I'm not playing the rest of this game. You're not gonna get me a CBS Michael Jordan dunked at me on CBS man, and all I remember I was thinking, is in my park when you got dunked on, they take your sneakers. And I just sat there and I go, I'm gonna hear it, Like the only thing in my brain is my brothers

are going on when my phone's gonna blow up? When I got home, did you go up and try to like man, I thought I had it, you know what I'm saying. I thought I had He went up so fast and then moved in the air, and I just grabbed his face because I was like, you can't dunk this. And I grabbed his face and he still dunked it, and his tongue was out, and you know, you try to take it out real quickly like a lines on morning. They were like, no, that's a foul, and then the

cameras cameras on you. You try not to be in the camera. I was like, god, my uh funny rookie season. You guys lose to Boston in the Eastern Funals. I played, well, yeah, that that memorable play where Birds stole the ball on a quick inbounds. I heard Isaiah when he's supposed to be taking the ball out um And then after the game, Isaiah said if he was if he was black, he'd just be another good guy. Media wasn't what media is today. But the fact that Isaiah Thomas said that about Larry Bird,

what did you think when you heard that? What was the energy around the game like that? Okay, so this is what happened. What had happened was so Boston. You know, there's so many numbers, right, and all of a sudden, Isaiah being reactive, thinking they're going to file as soon as we get the ball, so as opposed to have it Bill take it out. He took it out to throw with the Bill, because Bill, next to a D

was our best file shooter. Guard's never supposed to take the ball out and right, because you want him that. But Isaiah was looking at and he's looking at Chuck. Should I call time out? And and he's looking at the and he's looking at Bill, and Isaiah said, give me, give me the ball, and he takes the ball and he's thrown it. Now Bill a Bis sees like Bird coming, who hates Bill that beer with a passion. Yeah, he hates Bill that beer. So Bill sees him coming and

opposed to step into the ball at her arms. Yeah, and then Larry steals it. But then it looked like it was set up by the leprechron because nothing was supposed to happen the way it happened. And we're all the way now and A D turns to me and said, what happened? I said, Isaiah threw the ball away. Now that was quiet in the locker room. Right. We get on the plane. We tried to to jet a plane.

We get on the on the plane and Isaiah sitting at the wing just looking out the window, and those guys in the front, the guys like, no, when is sitting there him? So I go and sitting there him and I go, you want peanut? And he's looking at me like yeah, And I go, what's wrong? And he goes, So I lost the game for us? I said, no, we just proved we can beat him in the garden because we had never beat him in the guard, and

we proved we can beat him in the guard. We're gonna kill him at home and then we're gonna come back and beat him in the garden. He shakes his head. We droid of game six. We come back for game seven and we outside, I mean, we're looking up. We had this thing, we had like a walk through practice and we talked about how big this game was going to be and how we could not make any mistakes. And the fact that Adrian Danley was diving out of ball tells you how attention was because he that ain't

in his contract. Diving out of the ball, was like, don't pay me to dive, and they hit heads and you know that carting them out, we hang on, we lose. Dennis Rodman said, if Larry Bird was a black guy, just being another black guy and then they run over them to Isaiah, who's sitting here, so it's you know, Thomas Sally Is Rodman Rodman, thom and Sally. So I'm sitting here and all to me, that's all let me

move and they go. Dennis just said, if Larry Bird was Isaiah said, I guess he's right, right, like if it's a sensational thing that he's a white guy and he plays as well because it's you know, the lead is full of you know, black people. Um, he wasn't saying anything. No, he was like, right now, we talked about we talked about McCarty. What's the kid the running back for the Titan McCaffrey. Right, We talked about how this white kid is unbelievable. We literally say that, right.

We talked about we put his color in front of it. So him saying that I was not saying, he wasn't getting anything about Larry. Larry plays good for a black eyed white guy. A Martian. You know what I'm saying, he's no matter the color. They brought the color into it. Isaiah not disagreeing. If Isaiah would have said, no, you know, he he's great no matter what he is, right right,

it would have been dead. But he said, and I say it to this day, if you think about anything they say when you see, uh, when it's a white guy and he's a champion, they called him the great white hope. Uh. When you get a wide receiver who is fast, they like, this kid is as fast as this black kid. So in a way they're not right because we're predisposed, or we're prejudiced by default because in this country, black people do one thing, white people do

a different thing. And when a white guy is doing is playing ball as well as black eyes that they say, black eyes, Joe, you want to play basketball. That's a racial thing. Black guys played basketball, black eyes dance, black eyes smoke. Well, they're kind of right. Smoke weed um offen. All of I do, all that, eat chicken, black, all the things they say, all the things they say kids. But when you say that, that's that's cool. But when all of a sudden, when the white guys doing it,

then that's out of character. So they kind of put it in a way. There was no way for Isaiah to get out of it except man, leave me alone. Man, I gotta take a shower. But he couldn't do that. He got the bad rap for something he just like he said, there was no malicious tent behind it, none none. Larry Bird and Isaiah are cool, and they did a press conference right after that. What the problem was, Isaiah kept talking. When Larry got up and walked out, Isaiah said,

the guy walked out. But Isaiah said, I looked up the word racist in addiction. Stop, don't let him know you read. Don't let him know you read the chief it to yourself. That's that's that's where it got into it when he was, you know, trying to use it when it you know, should have died where it was around this time. Uh. You know, Jordan is on his way up and you got to beat the bull street three consecutive years. Uh. And you guys have something called

the Jordan rule. Talk to us about that. Um another thing, you would have liked Matt because push him left. That's that's your Jordan rule right there. That's that's all I'm allowed to give away. No, but there the deal is this. You push him left right. If he catches the ball on the left side, push him left. He's not going to pass it right. Kobe is not the chucker. Michael as the chucker. Kobe shot to go in. Michael kept shooting until they went in. But but Mike, Mike was deadly.

So when he caught the ball on the left elbow, push him left. And Joe can do that all day because Joe pounds. And when he picks the ball up, go back to your man because he's not going to pass it. He's going to shoot it. And when he comes in the middle, put him on his back. So if he's on the right side, he goes left, that's when he turned his body this way and stick his tongue out, and that's when his ass was on the floor when he went down right. So soon as he

goes left, soon as he gets a foot in the paint, foulo. Yeah, everybody gets but don't know tic tac files meaning for anybody out there, don't reach and pull your hand back. Foulon right. Foulom hit him and used to be allowed to do that, used to be allowed to you know, even if a guard was coming to the lane, there was a big man, A big man turned and bumped into and you hit the ground. Ref wouldn't call that gouse Yo Ashal not supposed to be in there with

the big men, and he just turned in his body. Um. We also knew uh to go after Scotty. So the other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the ball with Scotty, make everybody else try to beat us. And that said when he caught the ball, all eyes was all Michael, because he's not going to pass to your man. You don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson. And by

your ear, he ain't passing it. So as soon as he puts the ball down, everybody comes, everybody every and they got you watching on film, they would stop, Hey, what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes, He's not passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael would put the ball every which way, not to give it to one of his one of his teammates. That's it. You got a chance to play with him later, Did you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning?

Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you guys ever discussed being teammates at one point? Yeah, when I when I, they didn't have to asked him. But when I came onto the team, Um, he said, uh, you wear a Nike right side. I said, yes, Sir, I got it. He said what side? You were fifteen? He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just making sure you're, you know, doing no craziness over there.

The next day I came in. My whole locker was full of Alonzo more than sneakers, because Alonzo used to get them first and they were red and white, and then I got him. I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah, you know. That was that. And he would always ask us questions. He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and have answers. Um he didn't have answers. Uh. He would ask Buddha and he said, man, when we would come in, and like I said, if if we knew that we

was in his head, we would have never lost. We didn't know how intense or how much we were in his head. I remember we were playing and uh, I go in and I see everybody said after the game, he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the game, I got the Ferrari' gonna show. You can't wait. We beat him. I come out and so what's up? Man? Get away from me? What happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn,

he's sensitive, Like, well, I'm gonna eat tonight. Let's say. Uh. Like I said, I was intense when those numbers was up. I would be very very focused. Um. But when we would talk, he would ask us. He would ask us, um, did we try to hurt him? We were like, nah, if you went left, we hit you. We went left in the middle, you got We stopped you in the paint. Because he can a nite, a whole nation by dunking on somebody. And you can see sometimes he would go and we would all come and then he would try

to get a shot off and hit the floor. We're not catching him, step over him and keep running. And we knew, we knew that his teammates looked at him for everything, everything, And then we would punk everybody. I love that. Back to back Champions and you guys beat Magic, and you guys beat Clyde in the Portland Trailblazers, you know these they called Portland ripped city. I said, it stands for repeating Portland. Dog. You don't know, cocky. We

lost our first home game, championship game. We lost the second game, and we never won in Portland as a franchise. We won three straight and I remember they had Maurice Lucas on the square back when it was three too. Uh yeah, two three yeah, I remember we had They had Duckworth and and Curtsy God rests Souls and Buck Williams who used to give me crazy numbers. Um at least a lot of elbows. And I just remember, man, we just was was like on it and when we won,

it was the loneliest city. We stayed in the hotel. I loved it, but we stayed in the hotel. What was like being the Lakers beating the Lakers. We kicked all the windows out of the bus on the way back to the hotel. The guy just turned it all black. We're kicking windows out because there's people following the bus and giving us the finger, and we we're throwing it out of Rick my horn and l a. Rick is

mooning him and ship with his big ass. It was more like a son in them because it was a big ass and and we just wild and we get back to the hotel. Uh, we couldn't go anywhere. That was another thing. So it's not like we can go out. No, that I found that out real quick. They're serious about the Lakers out here. But we stayed in the hotel, tore things up. Dennis didn't take his jersey off to the next day. Um. I showered, made sure my hair was cut. You know, the holes might be watching. Um

you know what I'm saying. Make sure my hye top was like, my hand was like yours. It was perm but it was like yours. A lot of off the court success with that team, you know Joe and what he's doing now for the NBA, Isaiah and all his ventures. Vinnie speak to him because he does. Yeah, the Piston group. Yeah, and and and they're heavy, heavy, heavy. Yeah. He makes all the plastic for all the cards that you see. But Isaiah started a company. It was called One World

Farmer and I'm a shareholder and an ambassador something like that. Um. I worked some numbers out of him, you know, at the lawyers. No, he owns cannabis. He's the largest cannabis. Yeah, champagne. Yeah, he's the largest cannabis and hemp grower in the world in Colombia, and they were at BMW had literally kind of contracted him to take the hemp and make it into hemp plastic for their cause. But then he is running a three hundred million plus business. Um, I tell

you this man my rookie year. Then he had this gold watch R. And you know, he talked to me because I was from Brooklyn, but most of the time vets didn't talk to me, so they talked at me. And I was like, man, that's a nice watch man, and he was like yeah, man. So I said, how much a watch like that carse watch man? I couldn't believe it was a It was a you know what this watch is worth to this day, this watches they

probably don't even make it anymore. I sat there. Vinny has always been and he was the best dress player I've ever seen in the NBA. And he was so well madd He had he had tall poodles, black poodles. I had never seen a big poodle before. I was like, oh, this is this is a rich, rich black guy. Um. But Vinnie always was so like a stupid so perfect with this thing. So I I'm so impressed with what he's doing with the Piston group, Mannie Joe d and

as he great business man. Yeah, man, you leave Detroit and spent three seasons in Miami. What's the best members in Miami's that's the only that's the only part of the NBA. I remember, Luke. Let me finish this. I was twenty seven when I went to Detroit. I was one of the oldest people on the squad when he went to Miami. Man and these Steve Smith still one of my favorite players that ever played. We would play were the best thirty six minute team in the NBA.

It's the last twelve minutes that we had a problem with. And you know, coming from Detroit, that was what I would see. I would see our last twelve minutes. But boy, they I've never been out in Portland until I got to Detroit, and and the girls came to the hotel and it was just women everywhere trying to get to the Miami Heat players. And I was like, what is these? It wasn't Ronnie Cyclly. He didn't hang out with us, man, it was it was my favorite time. I would I

just was about to get married. Was the only part wrong? With the whole thing. Uh. But boy, if I would have been like mcdonna was was hanging whatever. We're going to Madonna's house and then Donna was having parties. Um, so you know, you just don't talk to any of the girls there because they might not be girls. Uh. So bring your own lunch. Uh my only advice to be in Miami. Uh. But we those guys play golf, they play hard. Keith Keith Askins, one of my favorite players,

Membo Cols. How was my rookie. Yeah. I took Harold everywhere and I would I put Hi on to raise pizza and this is this is tell you when brother got money. We're playing in New Jersey and Harrod was like, man, I like that pizza we got last time we were hearing New York from l A. I was like, yeah, you know it's it's raised pizza on sixth Avenue. He sent a limo to get a pizza, a town car to get a pizza and bring it back to New Jersey. I said, it wasn't your stupid because New Jersey pizzas

as good. But too Uh that's some rich ship. And he had like attend million dollar deal with Nike. So that that was that was a good person. Yeah, and then he went to Cleveland. Uh, you know, I remember how invested into um strip malls in Vegas. So he should be rich, Richard and rich right now he was building those strip malls. Who knew Vegas was going to Yeah? Do he You know when they talk about jumping ability, right, Michael Jordan get down, he would take off and he would.

You would see him take off like it with a long stride, how mine. It would start with two feet and then jump like above everything else. And he was left handed. I love left handed players. Uh. But he also you know, I guess he came. They bought him in the league, expecting him to be like he was in college. What I like about being in Detroit is I have vets to teach me stuff. And you know, they bought how and expecting him to do that. You

should be you should be literally taught to position room. Yeah, grew to be there. You spar there a little time in with the Toronto. I know you like to Ronto. Well, Isaiah brought me there, and I think Isaiah was mad at me. But you know, you never know, Um, you never know, because you can tell I got you know, I had FUNX when I was coming in, I dropped them off so right. It's like when he brought me there. It was me and b J Armstrong and we were in the car. We're in a van and b J said, Zake,

you gotta get me out of here. I don't want to be here. And he was like, for real? He said yeah. He said, all right, I think I can make a trade for you. And he said, sad Detroit, want you back a Lando, want you in Chicago. I said Chicago. I said, no, I send me home, send me back to Detroit. Uh. He was like, then came back, said I can't trade your man. And he said, man, we need to make this city like the place everybody want to play. But I need you to make sure

they go out the night before. So I threw parties the night before all the games. How were you at this point? Thirty? Yeah, So let me tell you where my biggest mistake was. I didn't leave the squad after having it lit. I bought I bought Faith Evans dare to sing. I had a club every Sunday night at Atlantis. When I get traded. When I get I asked to be released, right, I had to give up seven fifty dollars to get out of my deal. So I was

only free slave. I mean I'm free agent in the n b A. So I was, and so I can pick because I didn't want, you know, I owned my waivers. And when Chicago came calling, I left. So we go back and of course they're throwing the parties the night before and I as a bull. Now you're a Bull, and I can't tell these guys, yo, it's a setup. Don't go. We lost to the Raptors and it bothers me to this day, right bothered because I know my setup. And they were like, yeah, that ship works Toronto to Yeah,

Toronto's Toronto's my favorite city. It is. Yeah. I had my daughter in Toronto. My my wife, Uh, we got she got pregnant in Toronto, she got pregnant, she got pregnant. I got fat. But yeah, in Toronto that nine. You joined the Bulls in the midst of that seventy two win season, he readnited with Rodman. What was it like playing on that team? Well, they had a special private jet. They had that MGM jet that had that TV screen here and the big leather seats and the tables and

it was just like a lounge. And uh, player this is this was the most gangster thing because I pay attention to everything. Um, Michael would drive to the joint, there will be tons of people, his security get out, walk with him, walk him on the plane. Guy would take the Ferrari. We parked outside. He parked obviously in a private hangar. The security got on a private jet and took off before we did so they can be there when we landed because they didn't get on the plane. Um,

which I thought was expensive. Uh and gangster at the same time. But like Judd Bushler and Steve Kerr literally showed me how to get to the airport, asked me about restaurants, ron Hoff and Pitt. They were like whatever, Negro But Dennis, you know it's again, you know, he

wasn't talking. And these guys literally showed me, you know, how to get around, which was weird because him when you get to the team, these clicks stay within the click that even though they had clicks, it didn't feel like it didn't when when we got in the locker room and felt like a team even though it was clicks,

Um and Uh, I knew we weren't gonna lose. I don't know if y'all ever had that situation, but when you walk in, you already know you're gonna win when you walk in, because like you see the other guys looking at you. Yeah, it was a trip, but everybody was afraid of Michael. Everybody. We got to play against New York and Derek Hawfer. I love you Derek Harfer. You know he had those big old astros and you know,

and get more a than everybody else. You gotta watch out for that, yeah, man, but he was I know, I thought they were gills that just it knows. Yeah, but I hit Derek harforman uh. Michael said, yeah, man, he's hawking me. Man. I said, I get him off. You run him off me and a boom and I set my pick up like this and it hit Derek Harford. He looked around me and flashes na shows. I said, it was just a pick. He just looked at me and I said, then he gonna hit me in my jaw.

And I was like, I remember the chart. It was just a pick, just pick. He was like, all right, all right, and I was like, he's gonna get me. Then again he didn't get me. But MJ loved it and it was a trip because Ron Hopper then takes me out after we get home and go, you know, that's what we expect you as as a bull. And I was like, you're talking about He was like, yeah, we expected you, you know, to bring some of that toughness.

I was like, why are you talking to me? Like why is that we haven't we you played for Cleveland. What do you mean Michael should be talking to me? Go get the boss. But yeah, it was. We wore suits. Michael was shot everybody else. We smoked some guys on the on the bus one time that we were smoking to guys and the guy turned around and goes, hey, hey, no smoking on the bus. And Phil goes, when we're on the bus, they're smoking on the bus. And then it was and had us a guard in his hand.

The dude couldn't say anything. We popped like the events. I was like, oh, this is the best thing in the world. It was best. Steve Kerr would be like, I hate these cigarettes. It was just freedom. It was freedom. Well, I mean you got the I mean you big personalizy again, MJ. You know, Pip Phil Rodman, you haven't really tells you keep saying robbing. Doesn't say this rob me to that man? So what was that robbing? What was he like? I got to meet um, I get to Chicago and he

makes me meet him at a steakhouse. He already know I don't need steak, but that's okay. I'm Dennis and me and the steakhouse and uh, what's my man's name from? Uh? Jerry Springer and Jerry Springers at the at the dinner and I'm like, oh, this is bombed. So I'm sitting there and talking to Jerry Springer, Jerry you know he likes girls too, and pointing by all these girls. And then Dennis is sitting next to this blonde who's bodied out and you know, glancing down at me, glancing down

at me. Well you're kicking with d Rod, I know, stop glancing at me. So Dennis said, so, yeah she find huh. I go, yeah, she's good, all right? He goes, you don't think she's fine? I go, she's all right, she's cool. I laughed at that. If you say so, you know it's cool because you don't want to kick it with her. I was like, nope. He said, why she don't have a vagina. I was the only one he said that knew that there was it was a dude and and was he looked like Matt. No, I'm joking,

he was. I know, Matt must be triple because people been calling you pretty, you know, he said, why would a guy called me pretty? You know, you just let it go. But but this here, yeah, yeah, and I go, that's funny, dude, I wouldn't say that. You know, his eyes matched. It's cool. But like everybody, everybody. And then he had his birthday party was at the crow Bar, and everybody came except MJ and a couple of other guys. But I don't think they knew the Crowbar was a

gay joint until they got there. And uh, there was a whole lot of trans women. Uh there, but dudes was literally hollering, not even understanding how you know. I came in with two of my friends. Uh. And then this girl who knew me, she told my wife, she goes, yeah, I saw John he had these two girls with him, because oh yeah, those just two best friends, you know, takes them everywhere there it damn bother you. And she was like, no, there's his friends. Yeah, stopped talking to her. Um,

but I did. I used to hang out with these two guards are Robbing and Bobby, two gardens women, and they would go everywhere with me just my you know one. They were unbelievable attractors because all the girls want to come by and then um dudes to be like, so come and talk to me about said he wouldn't talk to me any other time to right now. Yeah, I used to do it all the time. Phil still, Phil will give you a book. Phil will give you a

book to read a book. I tell you the best I don't know if you heard the story, but the best thing to ever happened is we got film and we're watching film, and he said, I do film a little different. It's fifteen minutes of one fifteen minutes of another, because I found out humans can't really focus past fifteen minutes. So all of a sudden, the movie kicks in and it's Friday, and all the brothers like, oh, yeah, we're watching Friday. Explain it to the white guys, what Friday us?

And uh, we're watching it. Yeah. As soon as it got the debo, Deebo, he said, what's up, Craig, Like that, it clicked and it was Alonzo morning, and then we watched fifteen minutes of film and then back to another film that wasn't Friday, but each film was getting us, telling us about a point. There's gonna be a bullet. His name is Alonzo Mourning. We're gonna call him Debo. And so he would mess with you after Man, you sit there, you're there for two and a half hours

watching film. Not realize that you're watching film. Yeah, and he and big thing was preparation. Phil does not yell in the game, but in practice, if he got to, let you have it, anybody right, anybody, everybody would get to because I used to go to Cold Crazy and run on two. He used to go to run on test run tests to go right back at him. See that was we didn't have to do that. Dennis Robin said nothing, Dennis. You can you can call Dennis all kind of names. He would say nothing that Phil said,

run through that wall, Dennis through that wall. Um. But he expected us to be professional and and he would he would say that. He was like, I'm not expecting you to lose, right, you shouldn't expect to lose. You it's going to be a competition. But if we if we this is our only defense. You can't let your man get in between you and the basket. Now, if you jump over me and dunk over me, that's one thing. If you shoot over me if I'm in front of you, that's a good defense. So he didn't make you feel

crazy about doing anything. Uh, but I love Phil Man. Phil. You know, I came back. Phil had that meeting with me. It's called fifteen minutes for Phil. He said, well, said, I have no real estate for you. What you're gonna do? And I said, well, I guess some smoke weed the summer. Um, I he's no real estate now, and I was gonna go to Golden State probably say yeah, I got something for you. Yeah, he would have, but he I wish I had and I could have gone and kept playing.

I was thirty six two two years ago, and then I made that decision. I did him. I did three movies that summer, and then I started hosting BT Live and I knew I was at that was what about Pitt? You know, I mean obviously super talented. You know, last year on his book tour, he was saying a lot of different things. Um let me tell you man, um. Yeah, just so that's why I said it's over. Um he uh, Pitt literally with me. Uh. We went to eat. When he first came in the lead, I would trade tickets

with him. I met larsa uh when he told me how he met her. I mean it was this was it. And he was always different. Quiet stand office. Now when I see the interviews, you know, it seems different. And then he was selling his weed and my boy put me on FaceTime. He's like, hey, uh, I don't know what that is. You know what I'm saying, so I keep it moving. But Pitt, I used to say, was the most skilled player I ever played with because one of his arms come to here. He can dribble it,

shoot it. He had an unbelievable basketball I Q and everybody thought. I was saying it was better than Michael Jordan's. No, it's what Michael needed. Um I played. You know Michael needs a lot, you know, because it's one basketball and it was five guys in a way. But I used to think he was so scared. Phil Jackson used to say the same and then he said Phil was racist, um, which I thought was crazy. Um I did. I still

think it's crazy. I don't think Phil is racist. I think, Um, he's a white guy born in South or North Dakota and born in the forties, So you're gonna you're gonna get a remnant of somebody born from that time. But it far from being a racist in my opinion. Um, I like his uh, I like his dreadlocks kinda kinda. He's trying a lot of looks trying to I don't know. I don't know stack about the dreadlocks. I can't do dread That team best team ever by far, the best

team ever. Even though Golden State won seventy three, they lost chip. So um to get that far and not win the chip not good enough? They win the chip? Did the best team ever ever? Yeah? Because a lot of focus. Yeah. Gary Payton said one time that in the nine finals that if he would have guarded mj the whole time, it would have been a different story. Who said this friend of the program? Any truth to that. I'm gonna give me my Michael Jordan's impression. Gary, something

is my is my guy. If they spread out, which we didn't do, and let Michael do with it, he would have been in foul trouble. First quarter. You're not God and this guy, Look, we we had to have rules when he caught the ball, and no one got mad when their man scored. We just knew that if Michael wasn't scored, he was going to implode that squad. So we knew that when we went up to play in Seattle and uh we lost. The next day, those guys were out on the boat playing cards. You know

what I'm saying. It's like, oh, Okay, we lost the game. That's that's it. That was a game. So these guys are probably at home watching film. Michael was relaxing, chilling, and we lost a second game game game five, he was like, okay, let's go home. Let's not stretched us any further. And I don't know what they were thinking, but Michael was thinking of killing everybody on that squad, and he did in game six. So him thinking that he can guard Michael, he would have been in foul trouble.

Fair enough. After winning the ninety six, you played, you had a few years overseas. What was there like? No? Man? I had six weeks six weeks, yo, man, I came here. I shot a pilot the John Sally Show for Born Investa was coming on Fox. I was gonna make I was gonna make NBA money now. And I was produca. It was a late night show. It was it was on in Popping And then um Jerry Cross told me that he can only pay me three hundred and sixty. Michael was making three hundred. I was in the game.

I said, dog, I can't go to dinner with him. He's gonna he's gonna kill me for taking three six Even though I knew they were gonna win, I wouldn't do it. So I took uh the money to go to Greece. I should have should have gone to Italy. If I would have gone to Italy, I would have never left. YEA would not be I already knew that.

I knew if I went there, I wasn't leaving. But man, I get there and this coach was Tony uh Uh, Tony Coukos's coach, and he told me that if Michael Jordan played in Europe, he would only average sixteen points. I got a flight. I was like, oh, yeah, they're doing crack over here. N the crack over I know a crack at it what I see And then uh, but we went to eat and they would eat as a team like I was in college and so I'm sitting there looking at these I just want my third championship.

So U I did some amazing things, and I was like, why did I come over here? Like why did I do this? It had to be just for money and you know, and I wanted to see Europe um, and I knew I was going to start my show in March or in April. So I said, I can play here until March, make three million dollars and do my show. And after six weeks, man, I was like, yeah, I gotta get out of here. So I escaped and as soon as I got back to America, I kissed the ground.

I remember getting on my knees and you thought I was the Pope. Man. I kissed the ground and got up. I was so happy to be back, um. But it was an experience. I literally had to sneak out of the country. Yeah. I mean, you know, I act like I was picking somebody up from the airport. Uh, And I had my driver. I said, yeah, I'm picking this girl up from the airport. Man, you're amazing. Your wife just left. Yeah, you know, you gotta keep them coming, you know. The next day and I said, man, she

should be let me go check this out. And I had sent all my bags back already with my wife, she had left two days earlier. Yeah, and then I flew to London. I stayed away because I just knew there was gonna be some Greek guys beat me up in the hotel. And then I got back to Miami and I was at that six weeks. Um. It was, it was, It was a trip. I'm gonna tell you, if you ever go to Greece, Uh, the most gangster place you ever go is Egypt. Um, David, David, you

look Egyptian. I don't know if you ever heard that, but you look Egyptian, Spanish for the rig he looked. There's a lot of nations he can pass for take him to Egypt, and they gonna start talking to him in Arabic. Uh. But this is how gangs it was in Egypt. I was a suddenly I looking and I don't have my ticket, but I'm you, they don't send in your ticket ahead. And I get there and I go,

what's up? And there's this one place you gotta take your bags through, and the gangsters there, there's no cops. The cops are gangster. And I wish your ticket I go at the counter. He goes, you know, you gotta have a ticket. I was gonna cost you twenty dollars for the ticket. So I had to pay twenty dollars to get my bags through, then go and get my ticket. And I sat there. I was like, oh, this is the way it is. It cost me a hundred dollars to get on the plane was on top of my ticket.

It took me the guy taking the bags. I'm trying to push my own bag like no, no, no, no, you don't do that, hesse so no, I gotta go. No, took my hand off it, gave it to this guy. He caught it, he said, tipped him. I tipped and I was like, what's the deal. He was like, that's the only way you get out of Egypt. But it was like that in Greece. To Greece was gangster. They were like, if they can get it, they would get it.

They're gonna get it. I went the miking Ons one time in a little kids on the street come up to you and packs looking for money, patting your pockets and ship at the end one Yeah, you would have been back handed. You would have looked like like Bernie Max walking through that joint smacking people for real. Two thousands joined the lake. Was first impression against that all world team that you joined. Well, my favorite players, El Gambler. That's why I was twenty two one of the reasons.

And so I told him that was a lot different. But I see him being your favorite player. Man, he was totally different. And I had that twenty two on and I don't know what happened, man, John Black wasn't paying attention I, so I knew it was hanging in the rafters and then he then he was like no, no, no, no, no no, come on. And then guys had to make me a new jersey and gave me number sixteen. And I was going like this, and then uh, I called my brother and I said, yeah, man, I had my

jersey on it. That he goes, how does it feel have yellow? Because in my brain in Detroit, you know, those are ye backs like their punks. They do you wear a yellow like you're wearing yellow, Johnny? And I was like, yeah, man, and when when yellow? Can you believe that? I said, to some purple in it, But it's yellow for real, it's yellow. And we used to say that in Detroit, like if you see a yellow when they take their jersey off, they offended you, like you want to hit every single one of them. I

did the same thing with red, red and white. I could red and white just when I put it on. I just kept looking at it and I called my brother again. He was like, I don't know, man, you're changing. I can't. I can't believe it. Yeah, Like, what are you gonna do with that red with that yellow on? I thought they were white jerseys. I just remembered they were always yellow. Um. My brother lost old my jersey after we won the championship. Though I was looking for

it and my jersey was missing. I know where it's at. It in Detroit twenty one year old Kobe I told Michael Man at seven, Kobe was unbelievable. But twenty one we would go to we would go, we would go eat and then he had a VCR and we would watch. He would have just everything, Kobe. He would have everything cut up of all these plays, but he had everything on Michael, every single move. Um. He would watch. There was guys like Michael Ray Richardson, which they won't talk

about in the NBA. He would watch all the dudes who would who would do things and and I remember saying that. I was like, you should just watch your pops play because jelly being to me was was the only thing that happened with jelly Bean was Dr J. And if Dr J was not there, we'll be talking about Jelly being bright. He was. He was gangster too, So I would watch film with him. I even I went to the studio with a man to hear his record overhead the Sony studio, and uh, he was the

first person I saw with a Matt black car. Everybody else thought it was dirty. I realized it was. It was. It was wrapped and it was. It was black on black, and he loved everything black. His room, his bedroom was black and black on black. Um, so yeah, he was. He was a different cat man. I thought the record was good. You know who dom I? I thought. I thought the kid did a good job. And then he

got clowned and stepped away from it. But we played one on one every day and I beat him because I'm seven foot and the game is to seven and I get the ball first because I'm older, and I would just back him down, score, let him score back until he realized, I said, dude, I'm never gonna lose this game. It's like, we can't. You know. A matter of fact, when I was on the Best damn Sports show, you know if your wonderful studio, I heard show time got some money, Um, if they want to pay for it.

I got him to say it on camera. Yeah, I got him to say it on camera. He's like, so I beat me? He said he seven four. I said, yeah, but I ain't beat him every day. How was the Shock and Cober's relationship. It was great. I got so I was filming behind the scenes and when Kobe twisted his ankle, you know, Shock was carried him. I just think, uh, it got to the point and Shock said it was his fault, like he was listening to people who Shock

no longer listens to who that. They were saying things like he's getting all the commercials, he's getting all lessens. That wasn't the true. Yeah, I didn't see it, not the first year, and I don't think it it became something until the third year. Right now. Man Matt talked about this all the time about how how it's important that these teams have a vent or somebody that played in the game on these sidelines. You was thirty five

at the time. How important was it for you to be there and to and how it important is it to have vets on the sideline of young guys, especially because you had Kobe at the yade. They called me since because I was literally just took over for what a d was teaching me. I remember I had Devin George. I took him to get a facial I said, those little black marks and there's no freckles though, that's called black head. And then he got braces and you couldn't

tell him and he already had green eyes. You could tell him nothing. Boy, Yeah he was. He was. Devin was my guy. But um, when you have a vet that I would say this too. Hey, we're going to the club, you got twenty minutes like they would want to. You are staying all night, we're doing were hopping and um, you know we're here for a reason, not a season. So get what you're looking for and we're back out

and watch what you're doing. Don't sit around buying drinks because people see you drinking, they're gonna do what they did did Charles Bockley. They're gonna say something, They're gonna they're gonna get your face. Um. Also it's just keeping them focused the way everything was, uh, and how and like hey, because Phil was so like he said, they expect you to be professional. So when guys would seem like they were moving to certain way and like, nah,

we're here to win a championship. And it was from the beginning you say, we're here to win a championship and out here we're gonna play hard. No, we're here to win a championship. But then it's the only reason we're here. You're getting paid so we can win a championship. Um. My first time smoke weed was in Sacramento, obviously, and uh, it was the first time. I slept eight hours too. And I got up and it was so you tried this year? My senior Yeah, my senior year, my last year,

my senior Yeah, I was a senior citizen. Uh and my last year. And I mean I got on the bus with five minutes to go without a jersey, just just to sweattop on. And they were like, yeah, what's up Va, what's up that? And I went to my teammate, I won't divulge, and I was like and when he gave it to me, he was like, wow, this is the chronic now. I was like, man, give me that, and man, my left leg became my right leg. And I was feeling on myself. I was outside doing yoga.

I was in Warrior posed, I was bending backwards. I was like, man, if I had this from the beginning in the NBA, it was that Laker team, man, but it was there. Was It was cool because I remember Kobe proved the A C Green he was not to be played where they went in a shower area and had a wrestling match. Yeah, we got him in that headlock, and that's a big gass head to get in the lock. Yeah, to get activated in the sign. I don't know how, but you got a C in the headlock. And he

was like, alright, alright, cool, I'll leave you alone. Uh. It was that kind of thing we did. There was no punchers throw, nothing like that. Checked that year m v P thirty points, fourteen rebounds. Well, I mean, I think you know, with all due respect to Will, Shack was the most dominant player because he went up against more bigs. There were bigs. Thoughts on Shock and just that season in particular with him, Let's go back, Let's go back. I saw his face when you said that

the most dominant player seven ever was World Chamber. Let me tell you why he's going to hunt it, bro, that was I was gonna say, it's gonna hunting three and they told him he couldn't done magic. I'm asking you this though, but Shaq is the most talented big man I've ever ever seen. And this was a trip shock to me. When he was mad. Everybody was in trouble and Phil knew how to keep this dude piste off. Yeah, but you know, to push them, but it's different for

everybody too. Yeah. He he would mention, Wait, he would mention. He would say all kinds of things slide and then uh, Remember I were coming to him and I said, hey, Shock needs a break today, Like you need to break for what? He's not a ship. I said, not today, not today, because you could tell Shot come in and he didn't want to hear it. You know, me and Travis Knight was going to get the butt of him backing up an elbowing and trying to dunk on people.

And I just knew when Shot would need a break, and I was like, you need a break, You're all right, You're gonna play tonight. Not that much of a break. You paid me a mere thirty minute play him, but be nice, you know that kind of ship. I got a question though, back to the Will thing. I feel numbers don't lie, but they can be. The tour from a standpoint out on a consistent night, every was he playing against someone who was close to his size, at

least bigger than six eight, bigger than six ten. Every because you think of the era that Shock ran through, with all the big body guys he had to go against. I don't ever discredit Will because it's incredible, but I don't feel like I don't feel like distant basis. He

was playing against real centers. Yeah, well you used to be allowed to remember, these guys are playing with canvas and rubber on the bottom, and you never played in the Boston Garden, and so in the Boston Garden before they became the new Boston Garden, it seemed like they just put the parcae wherever they wanted. It was. It

was the worst thing to ever play off. Yeah, it was the worst cart ever to play and you play I just look at their life was different and rougher, But I look at like Will Chamberlain had this unbelievable fade away and there was no way you're gonna stop his finger roll, which looked to be the worst shot ever, but it worked all the time. Yeah, he would he would do all kind of and he was like this still he'll go to bank. Was long and length he

and and strong as as hell man. But like shot, if we ran a regular offense, Shock would have scored forty game. Like we needed to tryangle so everybody else could get the ball and so they wouldn't just focus on it. But the Shock. I remember I went to Kaie practice every day. Me and Dr Tom Mayron I were best. But like after practice, I go right third Street. He would put my neck and back and border and then I go home. He would just leaning against him and I told him I was behind him each time

to fill with call out certain calls. I would just stand behind him and hold them and then move them in the position right. And I was like, he was like, why can't I just when they throw the ball there, just back right here? I said you could. It's not to play, and that became shocks play. If you came down and you threw it in the corner, you was about you were about to fail him. There was no way of stopping him. Um when I saw shotgunk on, yeah, Ming, I stood next to y'all ming, I don't know. I

don't know what I would have done. I probably did all my pension ship, you know, trying to you know, pull your job, strap popping and all that kind of ship. And I would I would literally like grab guys under air, underhair, arm ship like that, anything anything to get you to throw a punch. And if I if you miss, I'm just gonna look at the ref like ref, what's so angry? Um? Well, I studied martial arts for a long time and I boxed for a long time, and I'm a non violent

um jokester. But no one ever threw a punch at me. I remember I told one guy. I told Linzo, I said swing at me. I said, I promise you you should swing at me. I said, you will, you should swing at you? My half something. Yeah, And I remember we just thought of messing with him. I said, Dennis thinks you're cute, and Dennis with you know, Dennis had asthma, so he you know, he's breathing funnier and he was like, what's wrong with y'all? Said, he thinks you're cute because

I've seen the video. Uh. Den Ron was standing straight behind him and he goes and as Zoe comes out of the game, he looked at you, sick motherfucker. Dennis is like, anyway to get He was like, I don't know. Look at his calves, got great calves. Look at his calves. Calves are great. How did you get calves like that? Lines of was like, y'all, that's sick. But like Oakley, Oakley. Oakley would want to fight me all the time too. Uh, but that that guy you have to he would punch

you in the face. Watch yourself. Keep that left up, keep that left up. And his fingers are already ready to fight. He walked like this, he's ready to make a fist. Yeah. Man, I've been around too. I talked to him yesterday. Accident. Oak was, Man, you call it quits. In the early two thousand, reflect back four Rings, you got to play on the bad Boy Pistons, the Great Argue with the greatest team of all time with m J and then you got to see shock in Kobe.

When you look back in your career, what do you think about I think when I look I do this a lot. I go back, I would have done more push ups, more pull ups, more chin ups. I would have started yoga earlier. I would have literally God bless Adrian Danley for working on my diet since I was a rookie. Um, I would have shot more jump shots. Um, that's what I would have done. I would have I would have literally made my outside game to the point

where they had to let me shoot. Um. When I go back, I should have made Phil signed me for the second second time around. Uh, I should I should have had a conversation about that. But I looked back at my career and so my said, Man, if you would have played harder, you would have been an All star. I was like I was a champion. Plus I got to go to the parties and sleep in on Sunday and sell my ticket, I mean give my tickets to

someone else. Uh. Always was the hustle. And but I looked back at it, and I go I I had really good teammates. Um. I loved I loved every team I played. I learned something each time. Uh. In my career that's bettered me in my adult life. M hm, yeah, acting I know you're good at it. Let me just tell you, I watched your show and that time you did that scene for who called me? I called you?

I did you called me? That was? You have no idea that people go to acting class for five ten years and couldn't do what you did in that second. I'm telling you, it's like that can't do it. So I've gone to auditions and I walked in and I'm looking and guys look at me and look around, and I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna get this, and then Terry Crew will walk in. I would walk out because I was Terry's gonna get this and he would get every single role. But I loved that. To me, that

was the closest I got to basketball. Is that competition. Going to work with my acting coach, Ivana Chubbik, who was the greatest, Go work with her, get something and then go and do a piece. And whether I got it or not, I'm thinking, well I killed that one. They should have picked me. Like when I did Sneakarella, I they told me it was Kevin Garnett and and Mari Started and all these other people. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. I'm about to go and

kill this piece. It took me like three days to work on it and then I just had to relax. But but in acting, man, the cool thing about acting is you playing the character. And I just heard Denzy Washington say that one time. And so I never walked in as John Sally, so I have no ego with the role. Remember they were talking about Will Smith playing in Six Degrees of Separation and Will said his biggest

mistake was he didn't go full. He didn't do exactly as a strip set because he was more worried about being Will Smith than the character. But then you run into halle Berry and months the ball. Who wasn't halle Berry, she was the character. And when you give into being a character, that the great right, the great stuff happens. Jamie Fox, like y'all have, Kevin hard On, I love Kevin hard. Kevin hard is my favorite entertainer right now because she's doing more than just acting. He's being an

entertainer and I love that about it. What has been your favorite role? Do you love playing yourself? Up? Playing Fletcher? I love playing Fletcher. So in l A's Finance with Gabrielle Union and Jessica alba Um, I got to play Fletcher on l A's Finest I think seven times. So I love playing a character because I literally can take it as far as I want because it has nothing to do with me. Um And I tell anybody want to act, be the character. When you and I did

what was that show with Laura London? No? B two? We don't remember the name of the show, but we're sitting there and Matt was like, yeah, the game. And we were sitting there and you were like, uh, we got notes. I was like, no, let's just we'll know when the cameras on when they tell us the camera's on us. Let's just act like some something we heard

a scene. Uh, and it's going in your brain. Just make sure you hit the marks and and you watch and not like you hear Jamie Fox sitting around talking about when they're on set and there's Leonardo the APO and this Samuel Jackson and just watching guys go through there. A great movie to watch is Once upon a Time in Hollywood, because that is how this acting thing is. It's if you want to get out. And every time you watch it, you said, I should have done it again,

I should have done I should have done this. I don't like that. So I go in and my and if I know we're gonna shoot it, and how many times you're gonna shoot it, I know when the camera's over here, that's my PLV when the camera and I'm giving it to you every single time, the way I wanted to come out and when I look back, like, I love sneaker Rella because in my brain that's on Disney Plus uh, in my brain, even though I was playing an X ball player, that's how I think the

character would have acted. So it was easy somebody who's starting and acting like myself for other people, and they actually put some advice. What would what would you give? Um when you get on set when when it's your turn on set, that's your turn. When it's not your turn, watch, sit with the camera guys, sit with the focus pullers. Um, don't touch anybody, don't give anybody hugs, bounce everybody. That's a that's a hint for now. Just because a hug chick may have a bad day. He touched me wrong.

Now to everybody. Respect everybody, but literally know everybody's job. So like your cameramen here are terrible. But besides these horrible cameramen, there's some really good ones. Now we'll ask them questions like why is that a seventeen? Why is that thirty five? What's that one shooting? Uh? Danny Danny DeVito. Man, it's been a friend of mine since I got to Hollywood.

He let me come watch him direct and he had three cameras working at a time in a movie which was they didn't do that a lot, and I had to watch him control all that piece. Then when I was shooting Eddie Whoopie Goldberg, we shot that in um in North Carolina. They watched the dailies that night before they sent them out. After shooting fourteen sixteen hours, they go back and watch what they shot. I went sat and watched them. They go, why are you watching dailies?

I was like, let's see if I'm gonna get better as this movie goes on, and like there's great writers. When the writers are sitting around and you see him in the writing room and you keep seeing the script change going the writer's room, like ask them what they're thinking about because you might get more lines too, especially if they think they're writing for you, and this is how you would deliver it. The script is a living thing.

You may have one line in the beginning of the movie, and if they see that you're a character, you might end up with way more lines. So it's competition too. Don't think it's not. You're competing against every other actor there, whether they want you to believe that or not. And you're this job is only an audition for your next job. You told me you've got some stuff from me too, I do. I got I got a movie for you that is excited. And that's another thing. I always think movies.

I love sports movies, but I like uh, I like movies that literally take you out of what we're known to do. Like like, that's why I love Kanye because he proves me. He said, I could be a designer. I don't have to just be a rap star. I can be I can be a rock star and a designer. I like that piece. Fatherhood. Yeah, what's that like for you? It's a It's amazing. It is an amazing thing. Two literally have kids and then watch them make their choices

in life. And I'm big, you know me when my my daughters that they know not to come with me with anything because everything I tell them is a choice. Happiness is a choice where you go as a the choice who you're around, who you who you with, It's all a choice. I try to give him as many as much wisdom as a sense they would give him. They obviously only one or two listens. But uh that's that's that part. And I think every day. Man, I used to sleep hard. I sleep like because now I

gotta keep my phone on. But uh, I love my daughters. My daughters are probably the best daughters of anybody's daughters. Ever. I think the thing with my really, Yeah, your daughter is not as cool as mine, So I think we need cool off. Yeah, the space you appreciate. Now, talk to us about what you're doing in the space. Uh. My daughter, Tyler is the CEO of Deuces twenty two. Um, we can't call it that in Detroit. One guy got my name. He's tough on it too, so it's called

Spider twenty two in Detroit. And uh, high Time says she was in the top fifty women in cannabis, which is cool, m man. So I got we We finally found the grower out in Cathedral City too far our weed, and we own a packaging company. Uh it just happens to be the package that the weed goes in uh. And that's the way I had to make it a packaging company because you can't put weed money in the bank. We ain't make no money yet, but we're about to God willing the creek don't rise, and and we only

do flour's going We're gonna start with pre rows. They dry it out. And I don't want a bad product, um, And I don't want my weed to literally taste like everybody else's. I want you literally to get in where'd you get this? So I believe in boutique growers. And what we get, we get. If I can get thirty pounds of great weed, that's what we put in a container. If I'm going only get ten, that's what we're putt

in the container. And we literally developing the brand to sell the brand from when the Canadians come in and buy it when it when it But we had to. I think brands are the future of cannabis because there's so much out there and there's so much trash out there. I've never gotten bad weed from Steven. Always say that you've never Yeah, I've never got bad weed from you. That is that is a wonderful thing. Um. And then everywhere Viola went remember I would show up and I

guess I guess Harold Dion realized. I was like, yeah, you what you're doing? And when he did it, I said, how's that going. No, man, ain't doing it. I wouldn't do it. If Viola didn't do it, I wouldn't do it. And so we just decided, let's make it simple, let's just be connoisseurs of cannabis, and then my daughter's show comes out. We put a show together of the making

of this brand. I know how to do TV, so you know, I grabbed the cameras like I'm gonna grab two of your cameras out of here, and uh, and we just everywhere we we could go and film. We did just so we can help destigmatize cannabis. Important. Yeah, you gotta title for the show my daughter's show. Um. I was gonna call making a brand, but so many people had that name of it. Um, I think we're just going to call it Deuces twenty two to making a cannabis brand. I think that's that. Yeah. Check. I

got my own streaming service too. I've been watching y'all and watching everybody, so I hooked up with this company called Altered My man black. Mike introduced me to him, my boy Josh, and uh yeah, and so I yeah, so I yeah, I said, Uh, that's what the block is, right, So I gotta I gotta one that deals with would

on What are you talking about the CTV stuff? Yeah, I got when I started realizing I could make my own that if I put it on another network, I'm not gonna say the name because they don't pay me YouTube. Um now, if I go on there, I'm not gonna make any money. I should control the ads. And at this time, every every rap artists can control a chance to wrap it and control everything. Why do I have to submit to anybody but my own thing? I try

to get with showtime. They just never called me back sometimes. Yeah you know, they said, we got this show called All the Smoke. What do we need with you? What kind of shows do you watch in your spare time? What kind of stuff are you into? I'm into everything that deals with Egyptology. I watch which was developed by the Greeks, uh, by the French long story the anything would redo in the house. And I watched football like a maniac. I because the Cowboys just just puff against you.

We won last night. We won we're two on one. What's wanted to opposite? I love Debo. Debo is my favorite. Just go get him the ball. That's the problem. There's only one ball. H I like any team Tom Brady is on, but I'm a fan of Aaron Rodgers. So watching the game the other day, I was like biting my fingers like I had something to do with it. But I like I like everything Tom tom Brady does. Yeah, he makes you better quick hitters. Piece of advice you

would give your young self. You're younger self, excuse me, become vegan earlier and do yoga two hours a day. Two hours. That's a long time. So I'm gonna have I'm dealing with back stuff and everybody telling me you gotta do yoga. Yeah, you gotta. Also, I can stop your back pain. Um, you have lower back page. My bottom dis is gone. Oh who told you that? I won't got to the doctor, so it's it's removed. Yeah, so you should get calonics. I know it sounds crazy.

The reason your bottom disk is gone is your lower intestines is full of crap. So all the water that your lower intestines is looking for, it starts grabbing it from the closest places. That's why you're lower. So your disk is only water. Now, once you clear your body and it's not leaching water from that disk, and you extend your back by doing yoga, the disk will fill back up with water. Okay, m hm, gang, you committed to get to come? All right? It's six dollars drink

of water that's gonna make it work. So if you drink water, they gotta be spring water and you gotta put bacon solder. So remember when we drink water, we don't absorb it. Um if it's just plain water. If you have sea salt, a little bit of bacon solder in it, then of kidneys because you only want to drink water to absorb it so your body can use it. But if it doesn't have anything in, it goes straight to your bladder. If it's gonna make me healthy, and

I do a clinic, I ain't tripping. No, Yeah, you're gonna feel great. I may not like how it feels, but I know I'm gonna feel great. So you need at least three to kind of get the man. How you know, because I've done it before. Oh wow, slatting your stomach, Why are you acting like, this stuff new to me. Give me some information on it. They don't want you to live. He don't want you to live. You're looking for a new code. He's trying to get

new codes. He goes, you know, I carried the show, and you know I've been me and my group have been watching it, Like, why do I need anybody else? Even though it was the second time he said it, that ship was still funny as hell. When I went to Chicago, He's like, I was hoping you got robbed. Shout out to his episode is gonna be amazing? Can we tr se that? Top five comedians over Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, UM, Lenny Bruce and uh Cat Williams. Nice.

That's a nice five, boy, do you tell me? You tell well, you know, let me go back. I gotta drop Lenny Bruce out, Bernie Matt Bernie. The reason I said comedian because Bernie Matt was it didn't seem like he was doing a bit. It just seemed like he was talking. But Cat Williams is Cat Williams brilliant and uh,

I love and right after that would be earthquake. Corey Holcom literally had me laughing so hard on my pocket he said something and I didn't want to laugh on camera, and I just because it would have been unfair and I would have getten canceled, which I got anyway. But uh, Harry Cory will make you. Uh he is. He is brother comedian for real. I like the young Cole too, hilarious. I'm doing a comedy roast for my wife for a Birthday'm gonna have mad A is one of the roasters,

so you can have to pick the rist. Well one of them got a smart yeah, but I want him to like me. You know, I turned out every roast they brought to me because I said, you know, when people watch it, they think you really saying that. They don't know what's written for you, and they heartless. Nah, this is gonna be real. I got mad Mike Elp so far Mike eft is gonna kill you. They gonna do it. You can say it be doing. He'd be talking about me and all this, he said. Stuck on

the Island three shows are movies in rotation. Stuck on the Island, which island the most incredible one? No women, though, then you shouldn't be You didn't kill me. The most incredible island. No women, what it was on the wife ivo? Oh yeah, uh okay. So if I were to be on an island with movies first, either three movies or shows, oh shows, man, I would get Sanford and Son, I would get good Time and I would have Martin classes. Right. If I was doing movies, I would do The Godfather's Saga,

Star Wars Saga and all the Spike Leads movies. Starting a lot of including yourself of your past teammates in their primes. Isaiah, uh um, this is what you're gonna have a hard one. Who would my teammates be your all time? Starting five? You can need to include yourself or not. Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas, Dennis Ryman, Bill and Bill Um, James Edwards and myself whatever to join the Kobe Oh because I did. I just did too. You asked me from my So we can win games with

people you play with. Well, one, you got to realize when you play with Michael, you don't get to shoot. When you play with Kobe, you don't get to shoot when you play with Shot, you don't. If I'm if Shock is on my squad and somebody else shoot, I'm kicking him in the fucking leg, throw the ball to big period and the discussion. But if we're playing, I've I've literally won games and the five I gave you so I know it. But when if I had Michael on my squad, just you just had the best record

of ball. So if I were to pick, if you were to say, if you were to say to me, but that was the problem because Cob has to be on the squad, they can't play together. That that would be that that'd be overkill and they wouldn't be able to perform right. But if I had to pick it that way, I would have Shaquille at center, me and power forward Michael Jordan's um. I would have to have Isaiah handling the ball and then who I'm gonna have a small part, I play small forward. I would have

Scottie Pippen. Yeah, my favorite squad would be Brian Shaw, Glenn Rice, Steve Smith. Uh. You know I have this one dude that that played on the team with me, Uh, Willie Burton. He was He was the most fun to go out with. Sweet sweet sweet will It was the most fun to go out with her. They call you sweet dick, Sweet dick. With the first thing you're doing the morning, last thing you do at night. The first thing I do in the morning is uh wake up and UH drink. I drink about a leader of water

with a little bacon solda in it. I stretch and then I go to the bathroom. And before I go to sleep at night, Uh, I smoke up a drone to guard and I have some Elevate tequila. We're switching this up this time. Go ahead, on Big Fellow. There was something I want to ask that we missed earlier. UM favorite teammate Brian Shaw, one of the coolest guys is the best. I just want you could have any guests on All the Smoke. Who would it be? Jamie Fox?

Adam already great interview. Jamie Fox is the best interview and television want. Oh who you haven't had? Yeah, you said his name already. There's a lot of names. He said, Zeke. You don't have talked to him. Oh yeah, let's call him right now. He ain't gonna smoke weed now we know that. Yeah, but he might drink some champage, drink something with us. Yeah. Yeah, we just want to have cloth. That's a rap, John Sally. We appreciate you man, thank you,

thank you for because I made it. He's official. Now finally we got a little gift box for you. Oh y'all got gifts now? Yeah, come on all the smoke of power. Oh. I get to smoke Dot Store. There, you mean I smoke Dot Store. But you know we had to show you some love. And I know you're gonna rocket. Yeah. I get to be a walking billboard for free business of Hollywood. Yeah, you can catch up some Showtime basketball YouTube and the i R platform Black Effects.

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