Gillie & Wallo | Ep 115 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

hug you. Let's get a group on, y'all. We're not doing man, welcome to the show. You already know who they are. But Gilly and Walla, man, we appreciate you. I forgot when you came from. Forgot where you came from. And he liked to hug it out. But I just like the hunt people. That's as a prison hug. I mean, uh man. We both pretty much got starting this game at the same time. And it's dope to see. Obviously,

people you kind of sell on the same level. You know, we kind of both respectably in our in our categories have kind of risen to the top. When been like for you guys. For me, man, it's just been you know, chasing it, you know, trying to get a use more game with HA got its attention, motivation and education, you know, and just and just really trying to get the coach at the interviews that they're looking for and the content that they're looking for. That's all we we about. You know.

We won't do a lot. We just to be older, so we chill, you know, we we you know, go, We just basically documentary life, you know, turning camera on a documentary life, So get the interviews that people want to see and give them to the world. Saw while where you were sitting at a while ago, um, sitting down got out. Did you ever picture it was gonna be like this? I'm sure you had an idea of what you could do. You think I knew that. I said, I'm gonna go out get with because and I'm just

gonna live. I ain't had I wasn't It wasn't overstructure. I ain't no overthinking. I ain't no super plan. I'm just a doer. Uh and uh. I got came home, was doing my thing on social media. I actually started my my Instagram in jail. I had a wireless hot spot in an I pod touch down. I did from thirty I mean from a seventeen and thirty seven two on Robbie's Too Fine on by Leasia's had got sense to nineteen and a half to fifty two years since

did twenty. Came home and violated twice. Huh violated, I said, I got I since the nineteen and they had. I had two different cases. I got since the nineteen they had the fifty two years. I came home, but I was already doing my thing on Instagram in the cell. They ran in my cell one day, caught me with a five cell phones. I started selling phones and shoot, they got turned into the tech communications. Yeah, so so

uh I was just I was. I was like, damn, you know, ain't nobody on social media because I used to just talks the dudes in the yard trying. This was two thousand and thirteen and fourteen I had the cell phone and then I got caught fourteen and I came home two thousand seventeen. Okay, I mean, really respect your grind, you know, obviously being a fan of getting to know you more. But like you said, you're not overthinking.

You were talking to me and Jack before we got on camera about just how you hit the ground running and your motivational speaking. You're out here running in motherfucking monsoons giving people game My life like worth all that energy and and and thoughtfulness. Cover from one of my homies told me I was the happiest, happiest dude in jail. He was like, Yo, you're the happiest name jail man. Eight jobs, listen, I said after the wrestling team. I didn't.

I wasn't capital. You know, I'm not gonna say all that. I will say this, I didn't listen, Listen. I had a lot of jobs. I had a lot of jobs so I could move around the prison. You know. I worked in the warehouse. I worked in none of the job No, I'm just saying I was. I was a chef in the jail. I didn't do that one. I thought about it, but I didn't do that. That was a little whatever. But I usually just so. One day my home, he said, yo, you always have. I said,

you know why I'm I know why I'm here. I did my crown. I ain't no innocent man. So I'm doing my time and I know I'm gonna go home. But I'm not gonna be here mad at the world because, like I tell people, I wasn't in jail. I was in yail. I wasn't in prison. I was in you know, Princeton. I wasn't in state Pen. I was in Penn State. I was getting my mind together, doing reading, watching things on TV magazines, smut, definitely foreign magazines. That was. That

was a big study of mine. Um, just live in life and just study. You know, you have to be you have to have the gift or gab and be a finessa to have all them jobs and all the connections. You know, I didn't. All I had to do is one thing I had to move the lock in my next move when I went and did a job. See one thing about dude, especially from our culture, niggas don't like to work. They're lazy. I'm not gonna be straight up. I'm the type of dude if I come in here,

I gotta run this joint. I'm gonna run this thing. And if you had the way to get out the way. So my work out there was so good that supervisor tell superviol like, yo, I'm trying to get that at a job. I'm gonna call over this dude. So you know, at the end of the day, you gotta move. You gotta move the lock in your next move. I'm I start off in nineteen cents, so I said, damn, okay, the highs you go with forty two cent. When I get to forty two cents, I'm working for a pay

raise that don't exist. I'm just a grinder because grind. If you grind out anywhere on the earth, you're gonna fucking win. Now if you're gonna bullshit, you want to be lazy, you want to be cool, you want to be uh lit, you ain't got ship coming. So my whole thing is like I don't care where I'm gonna go at. I'mna just grind and anything gonna pay off. You know, for the future of podcasting, what comes to your mind when we tell you, like, you guys are

the future in your genre of podcasting? What does that mean to you? Because I know when me and Jack got in the game, we were at my house smoking in the bag and I was like, you want to do a podcast? We didn't really even know what it was. I'm sure probably similar to you guys, like what is it really? But at the end of the day. It's just y'all being y'all. So when we said, like, you guys are setting the bar for the future of podcasting

in your genre, what does that mean to you? I just think, uh, I think we're setting it because me and Gil came and from people knowing us, we made it look so easy to where do you see us just all these dudes is cutting the cameral. You don't see the side of us setting the company up, making sure s your trademarket, paying taxas, going to be an ate, buying thousands, thousands of thousands of dollars worth of equipment.

You know, me sitting there learning and ship myself. When I came over, listen, we're saying, you know what, we're set in the studio. We're gonna get this building. We're gonna down here, we're gonna build this room. We're gonna get on sign, We're gonna do this, We're gonna get this. So it was like people don't see that part, but we make it look so easy where it is you can take a phone and the app and start a podcast.

And that's our whole thing, Our whole thing that people is just do that ship to me a podcast and that, but people did talking about a certain topic of issue or whatever. That's all this ship is to me. So we're not gonna overdo it. The only thing is different from us even it's gonna be me and him or we will get the people that you like and we're gonna give them to give you a million dollars worth

the game. But based off their experience, you was able to give million illars worth the game because you didn't make millions. You didn't made it happen. You got you got stuff that you could tell, you know, on life on sports. So that's all we do and it's simple. Now you don't have to do that. You can talk about you can you can have a podcast talking about furniture, and I don't think people understand that. You can have a podcast, uh, having fictional stories. You can have a

podcast talking about cars. You can have a podcast talking about anything anything. People don't people people try to from our coach and we looked at the same thing. Oh let's talk about rap, Oh let's talk about sports. Oh let's talk about that. In order to be taken to the next level in this game, you gotta bring something new to where's you can put ads up against that ship to where it's okay. If I'm talking about furniture, you know, many furniture companies probably want to put ads

on that ship table. And I don't think people understand the business side. They're just looking at like, oh, they're just talking. No, this shn't been the side. Baby. We believe in what we sell them right, willing to invest whatever it takes instand whatever and to our ship for our ship to go. You know what I mean. A lot of people be one foot and one foot out. Even the people that got money, they're gonna use somebody else money that. Yeah, well, we don't wait on nobody. Man,

be like, no, that's what we want to do. Okay, let's sign a production car, okay with you'a okay, look we want your TV. Come on, let's go. Let's get it what you want. Okay. We don't play no game because we're living in the world wars though, uh technology cut the middleman out. I'm not. I'm not playing no games and waiting for nobody. We gotta sit here because you know, you got agencies, you've got talent, as you gotta companies. Anybody want to be sitting here wait and

talk about the formula. My life wasn't no fucking formula or no blueprint that somebody else lived My life. My life was me getting up. I'm successful because I got up and I just done all that structural ship. I ain't know nothing about that overthink, overthinking ship. But we don't even believe. We won't even subscribe to that ship. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying. You want to do something to do this because this

and because you think about that ship too much? Man, we just go man, you know, And it's simple as if you want to shoot the movie, you can shoot it on here. If you got a couple of hours, go get with a production company. If you ain't got no money for no production company, who to due to your neighborhood. That's a good videographer, and who now to edit? Listen, man, I got this cover. It's simple cutting the middle man, because you'll sit there and you'll be waiting all this

super deep ship. I gotta get it this, I gotta man, it's more. Motherfucker's in your pocket, man, don on yourself. Put it out. And if you got an audience, the audiences where the money, you know? I mean, I don't care if you got this or this company. No, no, no, they need your audience. And just like M like, I know that should ain't scripted, but that's he did on his own. When you go to the car dealership, when you go to the shirt place, you know what I'm saying,

that's on your own. That's scripted. You know what I'm saying. So that's that's that's the hustle that that that's probably lost today. You know what, you don't understand that type of hustle, but that's but that's people understanding business Like, Okay, you move the needle. Okay, how can we make this relationship work? Okay, I'm gonna need I'm gonna need some of this company. Yeah yeah, it's equity out of it. Okay, equity.

I need some money and I need some equity. So now when when i'm when i'm representing, I'm not representing from the company. I'm representing. Yeah, that's me speaking for all of us. Yeah, because that's my ship too. You feel what I'm saying. So for us, man, we don't. We don't really never overthink ship man, because a lot of times that be people feeling you because you're going to do something. They want to do something to heppen Man, do that ship. And the way to go is you'll

think about it. Okay, this is what I want to do. I'm gonna drink this water. Then I'm sitting back and thinking I'm thirsty. Why they ain't drink they water? Now I'm gonna weight do they drink they drink? That ships dumb? Yeah, yeah, And everybody is valuing a bunch of people opinion. It ain't do nothing. But listen, you're not telling me. You're not telling me how to how to make this table. If you never made no tables, I'm not trying to

hear it. Just because your fears and their securities and your show comings on life, that ship ain't got nothing to do with me. Say that ship. That's huge because people the negativity comes from fear. Fear from that person, be fear on you and turn into negative conversation because they're scared. They're scared to go out there and get it. And whatever you got to say about me, guess what. Yeah, Waller was a dick kid, while a little goofy wall a little crazy. Oh hold up, that ain't none of

my business. If I'm worried about what you're saying. The mind of your business now ain't got nothing to do with me. And I hope that whatever you're saying about me, you're putting that ship out there to the union. It's going social media talk about because hey, this is your marketing team left. Please please don't the work you know

what I mean? So you know, I think people like we're living in the world is technology, whereas though comments got too much power, people fair comments more than they fear guy in this world, I'm talking about comments like you know, they it breaks in my whole light and shadows my whole life a couple of comments. So now we're living in the world where everybody fearful. So it's like, all right, is that the comment could be a sixteen

year old boy in Nova Scotia a fake page. They've never done that, but they put that negative energy or it's just like I like to call it a transformation of energy, because like we could all be sitting in here and we're all happy, were busting it up, and somebody could walk in with some negative energy and it's like, what's up the whole change, the whole room, up, the whole rule up. Now we're sitting here. We ain't he got the same energy because his energy the whole room.

Y'all done a lot of interviews Man Floyd, Kadine, Shock Ice Cub. What's the best interview to y'all y'all done up to date that had y'all all for me? It's got it. You know, I'm um. My first love before my wife and was basketball, so it probably would have had to be the k D or you know what I'm saying because I'm um. Yeah, he grew up, you know, he grew up like a rap groupie. You know what I mean, the loving something that never loves you. You

was a bum you went to D League college. I got was he was a bum like but he was in love with it. Wasn't love with different you like I was. He wasn't love it was I wasn't you see how said that was my O G See I look that rappers as like t D was my own cool you know what I mean? It's easy. He was my own with these dudes, my owncles and ship and cousins and ship. I didn't look at him like y'all did. But I'm gonna just say this, how could you love basketball? Basketball?

You never loved you was a bom. You went to DV College. You went your college. Nobody nobody here here know what your college is. You said you went to shout off to everybody's going to college, educating yourself in Combrini. But you went to college that nobody know you was a baby. If you didn't go to New d one. You keep talking about my college and didn't go to New d one club back and get you. You ain't going to know d one gonna come back again, come back again. You don't go to New d one school.

He man because he was a bumbling let me ask you a question and won't let you. But what up here? He from basketball? That ship? Do we know I'm asking you a question? Yes, dude, Yes, because he can sit him right now when the name a bunch of hood legends in his hood, that's like no he but he got cooled up. I got, I got, I got uh locked up. When I was in college, who's your game? Like? Who's my game? But I was about to I would like that, yeah, yeah game. While you messing that, Why

are you messing that man? Name us chips? Tell him who my game? Like you know who my man is telling Stanley Roberts. No, No, I don't know. I don't even know. You already know. You already know college. It was nice in college, it was you already you already know who. You already know who. Who's your game like in your opinion, you already know. Come on, san Kemp, stop playing. You already new that who you know that you That's when San Kemp is nothing to like was

running calling your prod. That's my Kim got like t kij and you gotta camp you like you just hate on me. Man, Why are you gonna convenion yourself to somebody? You'll have nothing that ought to have been showing Kemp. Kemp got like fifteen and ain't got to do with his kids. I'm telling this game was like that, like you're shooting blakes, Pops won't come out like everybody I mentioned.

You know when I say when I talk about sporting, I'm talking about like Dee Brown and I'm he always said, well that's thing was all right, but like they be his favorite players. Like I don't know, I don't know, I just I just I'll be worried about your hood game by your attire. No, it's a color scheme. Because you know they can't. A lot of them insensitive to colors. So when I come, they thinking straight up, they're like, oh, here,

don't know. I only don't know what's going on. So if I come on and it didn't you did come on the field. See that's what I ain't said. If y'all said the court, now listen, and then it's this too, This is this a lot of teams. Did you see me winning? On? One thing about me? My teams change every year. Okay, like Milwaukee's my fucking squad right now. I've been with every I'm just being straight up. I'm not staying with nobody. That's don't want no championships. The

Lakers is like, that's hound rocking. I'm not sitting there waiting for no team to win. Why does not do stupid this year? I gotta wait to the final shot. But walking I'm still holding right now on the strip for real, because they say my game was like kids too on back in the day. Tip But like I gotta I gotta stay your turn of ship. Let me let me tell you a question we asked right. We had we had a basketball play on the podcast, right, and we asked them who career. Would you rather have

Robert Dory video playing or Charles Barkley? You feel what I'm saying. He was a great player, but he didn't win new rings. You know what this man said Barkley once he said, I don't drinking? Who was on Robert? Or I had? Like you keep getting being a locking those bullish bullish point champagne or you don't point that ship. I'm not a stripper, man, Why would I want that ship me? Mike? You know, I don't know what was going on the blocking room. You're gonna do spring you

down with Champagne? What type of wow? I'm not going to I'm not going through that ship. I'm not going to here spraying the Champagne on me? Man? What the fund is going in? Some players that probably made fifteen to ten All Star games that would rather be round old right now, that that don't have no championship, don't joint, they want to bro It's some players. It's a lot of play to matter you. I'd rather be Barkley to

Parkley to fucking leg you. I don't want to be post career Barkley the way he's shaped, but like it's partner's a legend. People love Robert. I'm not I'm not gonna front. I'm not stuff back in bag. Uh yeah, just dirt. Like if you told me, I got a lot of respect for r too. But if you told me you want to be Barkley or Robert Royal, I say Barkeley. But that's what his reasons. I don't know what it is either, but I don't want thank you. He's with me. But you wouldn't want win the championship

because you want won Champagne. And if I do win the championship, experience of Champagne, championships are amazing. Like I don't get me wrong, somebody spray you now. I got sprayed down a by Tim dr from Champagne. That was the best Champaigne shower. Whatever my kids do it, and I'll take another Champagne shower. I'm celebrating. I'm just saying, if you're looking at what's wrong? I got I got a confession to expected. I got one confession to me.

There wasn't Barkley Barkley. Barkley Barkley especially that one of that's one of my favorite players. Barkley is one of my favorite players. And I was a Phoenix Suns fan. They didn't win. Dan Marley Sais camballis you know the whole team that was my squad at that time. Putting it out there kJ kJ that was my guy because they said my game similar is too. But I'm yeah, he was a lection. But listen, I'm gonna say this too. That's the only team I probably really liked it didn't win.

I liked it them for a minute. They didn't win. They disappointed me. But most of my teams won. Chips. You pick them in the front of the house. Pick I'll pick him. Listen, I'll wait till they win. I just had both of my jerseys prepared, expecially it's going down and if it's I get emotional because I had this attachment with the victory. Remember to the Lakers when I cried, I called you crying. I was happy. Okay,

So moving on the simble. I love the Sember. You guys are gonna start going on tour, and tell us about your tour and uh the cities you guys playing On December We're in d C, d C. Then December, then the Sember fifth, we're in New York City. Then December seventh, win in Baltimore, and it goes when we're going to l A, We're going to San Francisco, We're going to Chicago, We're going to Atlanta. We're getting seven

cities in like two weeks. We're not playing, man, you know I need some v I P. We're not coming. We got you, We got you man, We're gonna be in the trip in Atlantic. What we want be gonna do it up man, mat if that you're gonna pull up, sit down on the couch with it. We have some fun talk about life whatever. So how did you guys come across that? No, we just we we already one

thing about us. We did our own show in Philly, sold out in Philly our first year we did one, the crowd was maybe I think it was seven hundred people. The second one we did, I think the crowd was a thousand people, and then the met was thirty five. Just out right yeah yeah. I had to bring it easy out. Yeah yeah. So you know, we just just trying to keep elevating. That's big though. We might have some ship for y'all. Two are you guys working with a group that does that or you guys put all

that together? Now, we we got we got help put it together. We might have some ship to talk about. Two. We're going on tour and when we're doing we're hitting in two. But we're bringing ourselves a musical act in the comedians, so just kind of making like an evening. Absolutely well, well that's when we did at the met We sold the net out just just on us first of all. But then yeah, it's a problem was magic. So imagine you think you're just coming to watch us

on the couch and didn't get there. And we we bring out Ja, the kids, we bring our fabulous we bring out beanie and free ways, we bring out sm be ready, and then we brought out yeah that's tough stuff me and then with me, this is good. It's Theally sent Kanye the video of me and said I didn't knew you was in Philly, and Kanye said that's iconic. Yeah,

that's up. That's one thing I will say. I just watched his his interview on Drink Champs, and you can say whatever you want, but I just think the more and more I watched him, like the David Man. He was saying some off the washing once in a while, but more times or not, he's on point. He's on point more times than not. His on point Kanye happy both y'all from Philly. I didn't know until we were doing our research, you guys, the first cousins, I don't

even know that. That's dope, my little cousin, my little cousin ship Okay, little bit used to change it, but he's on. No, I'm only right the funk out forty five okay, Okay, So talking about him to the storm, should God give me a solar change something, you guys, influences coming up in Philly in the early eighties, minds was you know Barkley Dr J. You know his was rappers, Okay, Yeah, he always wanted to rap. He knew that since he

was I didn't. I didn't. Yeah, he didn't know if the skills man, he had it on the rap side. He was what I said, he didn't hand. He was nice. He was he was a little key. Yeah. Yeah, he was a better nie. He was a better thief than he was rappers. He was better yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's I'll think. I think growing up in the ghettos of America,

all of us have an outlet. Some of it is sports, whether football, whether it's basketball, few baseball and some of our outlets be the music these outlets is with um. The music be the soundtrack to the struggle and it being release when you're going through what you're going through. Especially in the eighties, it was like to me, my release was when I'm listening to publicanting me or whoever I was listening to, that was the soundtrack to my struggle.

That when we could listen to this music or or you go to the hoop court. Because ship was really in the eighties, I don't think you know now like a lot of kids, I tell him, I say, y'all don't even understand how good y'all got. This Ship is like a like we couldn't even a fan or dream about living in this world. This is just like a different world that y'all got growing up in the Uh How we be how now we ever to be in a position to give them a better life than we had.

You know a lot of these dudes and grow up and see that you know, they mom smoking coke or they or they and got to come over the house because their mom on drugs and she even lost the house. And you gotta share clothes and sharing a bid and turning up you know, the TV with the pliers and the antenna is the cool hangar and just trying to refrigerate and get break down. You gotta put the stuff

on the roof of you an apartment. So the music was That's why I love hip hip hop and just it was the music that had you think of somewhere else. When your mom played that music and she was cleaning the house and she was happy, he was happy. You didn't know what you was gonna eat. You know. The welfare moment was another. He was in another place when you heard your mom playing Luther Vandra. Oh my love, she's sweeping and you mopping. You know what I mean,

She's gonna put it together. She might got the next I was mopping. You didn't clean. I was mopping up. Get my ass whipped. That was a different story. You know. That's when you had an ass. They don't do them joint stuff. You know now you go to jail. Yeah, everybody, I'm just saying it is what it is. But like that, that was that even just to the breaking. I put the heads and feet on one. Motherfu kids when he was growing up. Literally they played hands. If you don't

use small person, shut up. At the end, of the day. At the end of the day, it was like everybody had they released and you know, you know I had to escape sports or music. It was mine just listening. So you grew up in and out of juvie. You know. Obviously we talked about the bid. What was the turning point with the turning point hit you while you was in prison or did it hit like when did it hit you where I was in prison, Because you gotta you gotta think. I first got a locked up June

thirty of nineteen nine. That was a eleven for like a couple of days north North Philly. I got locked up for robbery and uh, mr family because my life, yeah, everyone, yeah, my life. It just went from near June thirty, nineteen ninety, I got locked up, but I got locked up another the week after that. By September nineteen nine, I was sent away for a year and I went on to spend five years in the juvenile system. And uh then when I was turned seventeen, I just turned seventeen in October.

I had got I had got locked up for the cases, and I wanted to spend in the twenties. So since I've been on the planning, I spent more time incarcerated than I did. Freaks like this the first time in the history in my life since I was eleven, since the first time I got locked up, that I've ever been out of prison longer than the year. I make the five year mark on February seventeen, February eighteen, two thousand twenty two. So it's like, this is this is

the first time. So you know, when I was in jail, what happened to me was I ain't shaking hand for not going to jail that long. Shut up like hugs. The reality is he starts that, yeah, my Selly, but that's another story. Listen, but uh I needed to hug sometimes. Selly hugged me. Police, you come up to my I'm spoon, we'll be out of this and we had our clothes when that one counts nothing that wouldn't be bad. But that's another story. But I'm gonna I'm gonna say this.

I'm gonna just say this stuff. Uh what what? What What happened was, man, what really happened was when I was in jail, I realized that I was Uh I was in prison for living a lie, meaning and the in the ghettos of America. If you're not selling drugs, if you don't get no money, if you're not doing nothing, you're square. You're a lane, and you could be prayed.

And a lot of people is out there, they're gonna operate outside of the law to be accepted as cool and put and it fortifies you and make people think that you're dangerous. The whole time. I had a conscience because when we used to do ship, just like, damn, why we do that? Why we do this? While we do that? And uh So when I got the prison, I woke up one day yeah yeah, that too. Yeah, but it was like when I was in prison, I woke up one dawn, I was like, yo, I'm in

jail for being somebody. I'm not like I did all this ship to be accepted by idea, the idea of cool, the idea of uh you know, fitting in. Because when I was young, only the pretty girls in my neighborhood, only people they talked to with the drug dealers, they pulled them to say, these bands with the jury on, and you never got accepted. And one thing that I loved about, one thing that I knew when I understood about America growing up, is that America loved a successful criminal.

They praise him and they put him on the pedestal. So when I watch, if you ask the judge, a lawyer, copper district attorney or United States prosecutor, what's your favorite movie, they're gonna say, guy, father scar Fees. Where criminals is I'm talking about Like they're worshiped and they put on this pedestal. If you don't get caught, you go ahead because they are themselves that too. But it's like corporate yea too. So I'm sitting back as a kid and

I'm looking at everybody fantasize about these criminals. I'm like, I gotta be a criminal. That's the most important person out here. It's not the police man, he don't get no props. But the dude that's selling the dog and got the car, or that's winning, or they come and you know, got the corner store and take care of old ladies and neighbor, take of the people. He got respect and he's feared. At the same time, he's the most respective person in America. So I'm like, I got

to grow up to be. But once I learned that that idea was this, an idea, this and we and we fantasized about that. I'm like, all right, Okay, no, this ain't gonna work because it ain't no in between. It ain't between. You see that and you think it's in between. Ain't in between dead in jail. Yeah, you don't see any old happy drug dealers that my pops with the selling drugs and motherfucker's is either gonna be dead or in prison retired. Kicked my feet up. I'm

a drug dealer. I did my whole list. You don't see that that's gonna happen. So what I try to do is I said, I'm gonna go to Instagram when I go home, and I'm an tell these these young cats you know, learn from my story but don't live my story. So I'm gonna share my story with him on my journey and just put it out there to speak in prison too, though, yeah you know what I mean. So that's where I was starting, in the prison yard. Now I ain't gonna see Martin, but that's where it started.

But it was like, yeah, that's strong handle to take up. But it was like, I mean, that's strong. To see more of the month and that's still strong. But it's like the beat of it, as I said, when I come home, I said, anybody on here is um it's cool. They got money. So I said, I gotta I gotta be able to compete, like I told Because I said, I gotta be able to compete with the timeline, Attention is worth worth more than anything, worth more than money.

Attention is the new currency. So I said, what I gotta do is when I'm coming down this timeline they tend to span is short, so I gotta do something to grab your attention to make you stop. I ain't got no jury on, I got no big car. I know you know, I ain't no Buttoneggi girl on Instagram. So when I'm coming out of that timeline, I might be running across the highway, I might be jumping off the roof and might be laying on the ground with catch up on my head telling you don't wait, but

I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna stop you to give you this message. And that's all it was about. Because everybody wanted to be cool. When ain't nobody want to tell these these kids in the in the cities like that ship ain't cool. Ain't nothing cool about going to jail? It's cool to have a job, it's cool to be smart. Like, it's really cool to be smart because at the end of the day, you know, we grew up in the ghetto.

Everybody was laughing at the dude sneaks was messed up walking to school holds and his pan didn't have it all. But right now, right now, there's revenge of the nerds. Look at me. Now, it's revenge of the nerds. What I'm saying. The nerds run everything. Everybody that we thought, everything that people think the Nerds wasn't cool. But they run technology. They won Facebook, they want testing that everything that we worship and we subscribed to they run that.

So it's like, you gotta tell these young kids in the city, like, yo, man, that cool net list ship, that ship is momentary. You better focus on being smart. Think is running this ship out there. And if you could think, you know what I mean, You're gonna run the game out here. And that's what it's about. Let's talking about major figgers, talking about the group. How you got with the group. I started the group, Um, Grandma House.

He didn't listen. You know, it was crazy. He didn't even want to, Like, he didn't even know how hot he was. I was like the manager of the hype man today. I'm like, listen, cause you're sounding some paper. I came up with the name and a Dandy Basement, so we were Grand Baseman and we because he didn't. He didn't. He just didn't want to rap. And I'm like, yo, I played. I was in college. I played this time. I was nineteen, no earlier, I might have been seventeen

something like that. And my whole thing was this, I'm going to him. I'm reading all the magazines. I'm deep into hip hop. I'm talking about more more West Coast hip Hop rap page more. So I already knew when Master People was coming about a Richmond and I used, told you, we gotta set this label up. We gotta do this. He's like, dude, like, I'm like that ayn't got in the card. It was like, cause, listen to this now, this is nine six. I had to warm up to this ship. Ninety five. This ship came on.

I'm the first game to play. Sound like he's shipping night turning ship off. Man, don't cousin telling you this that ship first. Dude, Like, man, you like this rap ship too. But I didn't go up rap, and I grew up playing basketball. I need to add, what was the record store one? There? So tough? Me? I was a kid. I never seen the rap videos growing up. Did you feel what I'm saying? I never had cable, So for me, it was you go to school. You

from school, you got basketball practice. After that, you might go home, drop your ship off. You're gonna play some more basketball. You and then you the street side of this ship. Yeah. Absolutely, you know. I was born for that's my government, you know what I mean? So I

played it for for us. You know. It was like, ah, I wrote my I wrote my first rap in college, playing around, fucking around with one of my some of my homies who has flipment, and we just used to smoke some weed, wrap some ship, crazy falling, funk out, laughing, and then one day they was like, let's write something to come back and record it. And it just so happened. When we came back, I was the first one to record, and all the nigga was like, Yo, nigga, what the fuck?

I'm literally I'm like, now, ain't a fucking rapper man? I need is tripping man? That ship was hot. I'm like, you know, y'all tripping that talking about I'm not a little rapper. Then he heard the Bruce show. Because this nick was taking me every minute to my cousin. He only got one rap. He only got one rap. That what he needed. But he hot, you're not crazy, that ship said, he always sent the one it was listening.

It was it was a wide. It was the one rap he didn't even know, but he thought he was just so good. So when I played Massive Pene, I'm like listen because what was the record store blowing every tree? Shout out of trek Wallace where he used to work at. What was the record store? I went continuous, Sure that was there was the other one, but it's on board. They had these bins and these bends. They had like tapes that was cheap. They was from all over though, So I used to grab a lot of West rapp

before take so tr you. When I grabbed that, I said, oh, Ship, And I heard Massive Peeple this when they had to draw a mob be through the hood and all that shout out to Master pe the first boy to play you in Philly. He was listening, I gotta get with Massive Pickle. I played, I'm like yo, this boy making his own money. He's independent, these bulls coming out, so

he like, see, that's one thing I can give them. Though, like as a young like Wallow, all of us might we might have been seventeen eighteen, Willow might have been fifteen, but you wouldn't have thought while it was fifteen. You feel what I'm saying, Like he was always tall. Then nigger got a tattoo on his neck. Fuck bitches take money. That's when niggas didn't even get tattoos like this said, right, it was just faded. You can see b TM. That's when I was young crazy. I was crazy, you understand.

I was likeift so glad and you know we all we all young, but he the youngest, but he wanted the trollest. Then he got a tattoo. So you're like, oh no, he ain't. You know, you wouldn't even think he was fourteen. You wouldn't even think he was fifteen. You feel, take money? Yeah, that was my mindset. That's what we was on. Bro. I just wanted to ain't getting money and that's all you know what I mean. So it was like but that music ship, I'm like, yo,

because I've seen something early like me. I always looked to I didn't look to I looked to rappers younger, but as I grew up, I looked at CEOs and I started understanding what was going on when you got Master, Little Jay, Sugar Knight, Tony Draper. I was worried about them, dude, because because when I've seen that was going on, I've seen you go to New York, You're gonna sign to

some label. But these dudes are creating their own opportunities early in the game depend of Ship, so it was like it was like yo, you know, and then you know, then the babies and everybody else came and it was like so many other and so my own thing was like yo, cause this dude is that we're getting to the studio. I'm taking the studio. I got my man to the studio getting samples, and I said, come on,

we got rap rap rap, like he said. Song I Ever Done was number one on the radio and Philly on the Countdown not e do power that the number two Destiny's Child. I was a local artist and my song was number one on the Countdown for weeks on top of weeks. And you gotta understand, I wasn't a rapper, so literally I went to the studio and at this time he didn't got locked up. You feel what I'm saying.

But now I'm starting to believe in this ship. Like whole week, everywhere I go, every time I rap, motherfucker's just losing his mind, going crazy. Like I only got bro I got signed. I probably had like fourteen raps. Man. It was a whole fucking bit war going on between all the record. The third song I ever did that that we put to the radio was called Love for Gilly. I want to the student. I went to the studio. I said what I'm gonna what I'm gonna rap about

the nigga. Marcus Graham said, rap about what you got love for what you don't got love for? I'm a smart motherfucker's that was easy. Yeah, I can do that. Turn some beats on. Listen to some beats. I like this beat right here right wrote my ship. I was always a fast right. I always put that ship together fast. They don't even know what I'm about to come with. I go right in there. I got love for FuG niggas and FuG nuss never want to smoke, move poppers

and dine sippers. Drug dealers, credit card counterfeitis, my niggas locked up and all of my broke niggas. I got love for wild parties and wide bodies, sweaters by money killers like John Gotti, bad women in short dresses, be huge, breastless, the bucky y'all wagon with the triple head, wrestless. There's a lot of time and shine your blind and Gilly got love for other niggas, baby moms and what if they nor lot Gilly was a crime and be no men left head, then y'all get the death chair in

the top three. But I might be the best head little rugby to Berlins and my guess ill roll after that, you know the booth looking at that MoU like what half of that right now? Ye six nineties seven, you see what I'm saying. So it was like, alright, okay. Once that ship hit the radio and he was calling requesting that ship now stop, and I just keep hearing number one love, I'm like, that's hardest fun. And you

know what happened? What's so crazy? It's like the same way major major figures got started, in the same way me and I was with the game I started because I'm the dude that to sit back, me and Gil see one thing that's good about We listened to intermation. Dude, I'm the one that said, I'm the one that's excited about getting the logos done and all that said, shout out the nick Riche for creating man I was with the game logo. I'm like, I'm gonna get the logo Jo.

I'm gonna call the Lloyd trademark. There can the count set up the LLC, go get the band. I'm not all guilt. I just need you to show up. He's gonna do it. I'm gonnadude, that's gonna handle the equipment. Alright, I'm gonna set up anything. Listen, we gotta we gotta call with attorney. We gotta go to the banks. You gotta do this. I'm not dude what you said. We even gotta be in the room. I ain't gotta be

in the room when I'm in the room. Yeah, that's because I called him and I said, Yo, I'm driving from Baltimore. I mean, and when I'm driving, I'm like, all right, I said, listen, I'm gonna say you this sort to read this. Spotify Allocate four and the millions with spots some ship like that. I said, that was like in April. That was in April, just that year. They only probably put four in a million out for I said, yo, we're missing out on the like. He said,

all right, come on, let's get it. I said, all right, bet I called me back. I called him back. I called Gil back leader on that day. This was like eight in the morning. I'm talking to him. Driving from Baltimore. About one o'clock, I called him. I said, signed that docum sign. I had the LLC, I had a trademark going in. I had all this stuff. The stuff was basically already done. I had every think the logo. I locked down the YouTube, I locked down the Twitter, I

locked down the Instagram. I'm talking about all the hours. I said, there anything now that is that simple. I locked anything now, you know, I mean we know our roles. Yeah, we know our roles. You feel what I'm saying. We know our roles when it when it when it comes. See, that's why he's working like that, because he knew he know Gil Gil don't want to do this ship. He's been doing this, enjoy doing so long. He don't even want to do love doing this ship. So I'm gonna

handle that ship. I love it, so you don't even gotta be bothered. But Gil also been in a ship load of rooms, handling a ship load of business. So the experience from either way is you feel what I'm saying. And one thing about him, he's a researcher. You could you can mention somebody right now with as you talking, He'll be googling. M Yeah, because I listened to people. And if I don't know, I don't know. That's what's so good about him. Here tell me ship. I don't know.

I tell him, she don't know. We just listen, you know. I mean, like, one thing about him in the history of life, I'm talking about the human existence. He like in the top He might be in the top fifteen and seventeen dickheads in the history of life. But when I tell him something here listen, that's what I'm saying, Like, you know, this dude has been a dickhead forever you notice do you see them Instagram? But here listen. He'd

like damn, because you're right, I didn't lovable dickhead. You're still a dickhead, though, So I'm talking to extraordinary histories. You gotta understand, all right, that's what That's what great. Everybody that's in our space that's loved, it's a dickhead. Charlemagne's a dickhead. Wendy Williams is a dickhead. Um um, these two are dickheads. When we talk about Howard Sterns the ultimate dickhead, like, what do we talk that's what

it takes to be loved in this space. You know, you gotta not give a funk what number you think I will be out of the top hunter. People don't really look at you like that. But you know me, I know the truth you truth me, be, truth me, be on the dickhead scale. Oh you don't know. You don't A little came from jail just to think this is thing. This is why you say this because I'm the dude like I'm not playing the games. Somebody do some dumb ship be cutting them off gither like he

doesn't hit Like, what's so bad? Is right? I get all the flash, but I'm really the nice one, know the fucking bro. Soon as somebody do something wrong, You're like, he's gonna be problematic, fire him right now. I'm like no, no, like nod up being right though, but try ni but up the three straight bull three. He always go to three. I'm like I told you, I want to be even sleep good at night, so I'm gonna give you more through times the funk up and every time you funk up,

we're gonna sit down. We're going at this, bro, Why would you do that? And I'm like him, he won't. He just saying that in he says, I'm the super Bowl was the one, but did we get out of there? So in everybody in mind? Why looks cool? Why don't even see that? And he just said, Gilly is the one that's getting the second time, why would you do that? You know we don't. Why would you the third time? Listen,

I got nine ship the whole time. He never said nothing of the neating, but behind closed doors he gonna say, I'm the dickhead superviolsable to come through. You've been in the break room three or four extra minutest next time, next time, next time, my man. Listen, man, you right there talking to the girl. May just go home for the day, don't about I've seen you next week, next I see you next week, last time, next time? It would be ye him, I mean, he'd be lying I

am about you. You find out you got this unique ability to to to to make people move. You end up going with cash money, but it never really materializes. To be honest with you, when I heard about you first, because I'm straight West Coast, so when I first heard about you, it was it was you know, writing for Wayne allegedly or it was alleged at the time, and whatever happened with all that. In the cash money situation, I mean, I want the cash money, you know. I

met them backstage. Shout out to them because they gave me an opportunity because I I was supposed to perform a Powerhouse. I went through some issues with some other record labels. I got tooken off Powerhouse. Cash Money found out about it. They didn't think that ship was cool. They let me perform, you know, rock that ship or you know, Stunned told me, you know, get out your situation with Tony Draper because at the time I was

signed with schwave House. You know, he said like, I got to ask for you, you know, to come on over. The cash Money said, you know it is real. You act you get killed, playboy. This is the deal. I want the dome, the bricks, the keys to the wh Come on that that ship. Come on, man's not little mill of me boys man with tripping, don't know nothing about that. But so you know, I'm rapping my basketball player when I when I when I you know, I called Drake and shout out to draper Man because that's

my brother for life man to this day. You know, we talked a few times, you know, the really ceo man I ever met my life man shut up, shout out the Drake Man. But he was like, yeah, Gilly, you know if you want to go over there and let me roll out over there. And you know, it was it was an experience, you know what I mean.

I wasn't willing to sell my publisher, so I never had album come on, you know, but that was God get me to this point, right And you know, it's it's crazy how our life worked because you know, a lot of time, the same people that was was kind of you know, holding you back back then, trying to make sure you don't you know, maybe the same people that be doubling back as you know, and then and I don't even hold it again to him. I'm like, come gonna sit down on the couch me and you know,

you've got some cowboy ship going on. But I ain't mad at you because you can't blackball god. Nig You feel what I'm saying. So it's amazing how y'all soon a katrillion records. But I'm hotter than you niggas right now. Isn't that amazing? How does that work? I don't make mistakes? How does that work? Allows the besttball players feel? So I just look at it as though, No, God didn't

give me that money right now at that time. He didn't give me the what I was supposed to get at that time because I was you probably wouldn't enjoy it. You're gonna enjoy it. I wasn't ready. I would have been in prison or something. I'd have been running around here in super duper creamy out of gets room. So now I feel like I get my jest do now. It took a little later in life, but you just keep working and you keep putting that staying consistent, and

you're gonna get was meant for you. Standing don't want money from shut up man. You know, I'm just trying. I'm trying to labor. We were talking about so you was he was on Breakfast Club and had an opportunity for a group to work with j Rockefeller didn't end up working out. You said that was might have been a little small rift there. What happened that situation? You know, I mean we just didn't sign you know what I mean?

They put together a deal so explained. You know, we were supposed to sign with Initially, we were supposed to sign with Rockefeller as a group. You know one thing about me, Yes, always had my business in line. So I had a solo deal with Suave House, Tony drakeon it in my contract. That had nothing to do with my group ship taking my group somewhere else. You feel

what I'm saying. It was initially supposed to be with over over at the Rock, But you know the paperwork issues when the paperwork come back is you know, they don't say what it's supposed to say in our eyes and maybe in their eyes it said what it was supposed to saying. In my eyes, it didn't say what it was supposed to say. So we just turned the situation down and that actually opened the doors up for state property. Okay, okay, it makes sense. Thoughts on the Dreking,

Kanye squashing or man for me man. For me, you know, when two guys like that is beef and for me, it just don't make no sense because it's like y'all too and the richest niggers on the planet. But then, what's the problem, what what what's the issues? I'm confused. I was chick, I want to say, he said, I'm that's what. That's what, that's what the day it is like, Bro, we're successful, we win and life is in our favorite What the fund are we mad at? What do we

beefing for? What is My house is probably a hundred and fifteen thousand square fucking feet. What the fucking am I mad about? That? Sound like a prison? That's a prison. Yes, that's how big nigga's houses. You start sweating when we walked into it. When we drove into the baby, Crist's longest privacy, he had prison walls. Yeah, you can start sweating. We're going into a nigger house. He starts sweating. You got you got balls? Like a prison? Twenty X fuck

him up himself. It's crazy, y'all. Like an end right now? Me, Who's who got the best record? The Warriors? I'm talking again, I'm not I'm just you know, for me. I'm a Sixer fan, but I think Steph Curry taking the MVP t s he is bacon he bacon ship. Do you think that not to cat you off? Jack? Do you think that Ben Simmons can be uh, the branch can be you gotta go. I think Ben Simmons is an

extreme disappointment. Man. You know when you say when you say you would rather go to mental protocol then step on the fucking court and play basketball what you've been doing your whole life. Let's just keep it real. You're scared to step on that fucking floor in front of them Philadelphia Sixer fans and nigga. That's what it's about.

He's been because if we would have shipped your ass to Sacramento, guess what you would have been doing playing nicka m h. You that scared to step on that Philadelphia seventies sixers hardwood floor, that you would say, bron Send need a mental fucking protocol. He'd been handicapped from the jump, bro because the coach he had is somebody that knew him as a teenager as a kid. So when he got there, they just let him be him. They never they never forced him to work on this

game or a jump shot. So now he's at the point now where it's been talked about a couple of years, but now as at the point where everybody seeing and then you see it's affecting the ability of the team to be successful, right, So not allow Okay, either you're gonna shoot or we gotta get rid of you. But they shouldn't done that when he first got there. Bro, you's know what I'm saying. But for me, it's not even the fact of shooting a jump shot. It's the

fact of always being on attack. At six ten, one of the most athletic, one of the most fastest people in the league, you got the ball, being on an attack and being aggressive. You feel what I'm saying. He don't have nonhing, But you can't be a point guarding on that team with the dominant big man and not be able to shoot. That's what that affects your offense.

You know what I'm saying, Cause when it swing swinging you, you're not you're out on the block and they swing swings you in the corner and you're gonna shoot it. What's the point of the dumbling n B. But but I also knew that when Joel and b and Ben Simmons played together. It ain't another two teammates in the league that is one is remotely as many games as there.

They got the highest WHI percentage out of any two players when they played together in the n b A I'm a status this year at a great six of fans two they won the most games out of in the next and the next duo is thirty something games behind them, step and who might have to fact check that, yes, please, because step Clay won a lot of games, because I mean, I mean, I feel like they had they had a real chance. I think when they had surrounded those two

with a bunch of shooters, that's all you need. But slowly but sure they got rid of these shooters and that exposed Ben in the vility. And then Bro, you cannot, like, how can you not take a shot? Your second best player on our team? You don't take a shot in four playoff games in the fourth quarter. You got who for every game you never took a shot in the

fourth quarter. Bro, to the point where we gave you the ball under the basket, you got a dunke and you pass it to somebody, but you're not holding yourself accountable. You're not saying, you know what, I fucked up. Let me hit the gym, let me get better, Let me get mentally stronger and physically stronger. We've seen Michael Jordan's lose to the Pistons year after year after year. They fuck Jordan's up, and Jordan said, you know what, let's

get the team to come. We gotta get stronger, we gotta hit this fucking weight room we got and then they came back in one. I feel like this new generation and these niggas got too much control. Man for real Niggas, Oh, I don't want to be here no more. I wanna Man Niggas was just happy to be in the league and be making some money and playing basketball. Man for real, Man Man Niggas, Niggas is like, it's it's almost like you use the competition, you use the fierceness.

You lose all of that because everybody honies, everybody friends, everybody's cool, everybody's no rivalries. Really, No nigga Bird ain't like Dot. Niggas didn't like Bird, Isaiah Thomas, and niggas didn't like Boston Celtics. We got real basketball. These things gonna they'd be out there and they'd be team means they out there, I mean they'd be on the opposite team. They got the other team. It's a different Generationia Thomas said, Man,

me and Magic's best friends. Man, they threw the balling year. I want to full lampy body slam me. Yeah. Friends, that's how we was friends off the court, but on the court this war. So for me, it's just like like you got a guy who it's nothing wrong with him physically when he was ten years old, you didn't have no mental problems playing basketball. To me, I thought basketball was our safe haven. When I thought basketball was when we're going through all the crazy ship that life

bring to you. When you step on this court for this three hours, nothing else matters. So that's what I thought basketball was. I didn't even know basketball could give you some fucking mental problems. I thought that was some life ship. I didn't know that. Oh I ain't been hitting my foul shot, so I'm mentally fucked up now. I didn't even know that could happen. Because this is a game, bro, this is something we played since we was kids, that we fell in love with. That if

you had a bad game, if you were. I'm pretty sure you've been in the league. I'm pretty sure your had stretches when y'all had five six bad games? Did you ever say I need help now? So you understand about why go to the State? Is my team right now? I've been there since Latrellague. But I would say this too, shout out to Ben Simmons. I like the game player, I like this game all that. I'm a sports analyst, right and I analyzed body language. Listen, then I know

it ain't you. God River stopped that dumb ship. I believe it's doctor. I don't think it's him. I don't care what nobody's saying. There's some sho ship going on. I've seen him look at me one time, and the look was not nice. It was nasty. Look. I just that's what I believe. You know how long I've been in the league. Listen, I don't care about how long you've been in the league. I don't you know. That's why you're just gonna put that. Do you know how

long leave that young bow along? He messed his game up. Doc Doc Brent Brown, the coach was there, got there, got bullying that bull That's why I got mental issues, doctor mess his mind. Really, doctor, the best thing that happened to him. Really, listen, Doc was on that Pistons team you're talking about. Doc is a tough dude. He was not. You got the SA You got Doc Rubbers over there. That's what he needs on the Celtic, you know what I'm saying. That's what he needs coaching. You're

talking about coaching right now. But he got sound Cell over the winning Doc Brothers and south to Cell. They can really help this kid. Bro, That's two of the best people you can have on your For me, man, I just look at it as a cop out, man, and anybody that's saying send me to a ship, tend me to the worst team in the league. I don't want to leave with this championship team right here. That's just a fun up sixty ain't new championship team. Ain't

got that's just a messed up and championship team. And was playing we only even win't getting paid when we want That's what he was meaning for. Oh, Bro, you mean to tell me, Bro, I'm gone. You mean to tell me, Bro, you getting paid thirty two million dollars to play basketball and you mentally fucked up because they're taking some of his money right from not getting on

the court. He shouldn't be taking some of this that you gave us the hot take earlier about I think Steph's taking the m v P. I can't ask him this question because he's gonna who You feel like it's gonna un the championship this year. I feel like it's gonna be hard to beat Golden State. I feel like when they get the kid wise men back because he's a defensive he's a he's a rin protector, and he can finish a little bit, and he got a little fifteen and seventeen footed that he can can knock down.

I feel like the boy's gonna be up. They already running the ship. Imagine when they get clean cleanland man. Let's be for real, man clean like a lion sitting there looking at goddamn seventeen, will the beast walk up on I'm saying he can't wait to get and they playing. If they come back, they're gonna be on one. And we already knew he's gonna come back because he one

of them kids. He put the work in and he feel disrespected to he didn't at the top sevent He feel disrespected, and I feel do he Probably he's the second greedest shoot of all time in my opinion, no question. You feel what I'm saying. So I feel like if you second to do anything in the league, don't you should probably be in the the fucking top seventy five. And you got championships as well, and you big reason why y'all won the championships. You should have been m

VPN any one of them champions. Absolutely. So for me, it's like, I don't see nobody beating Golden State. What about y'all? I like going to State. I'll go to State nets in the finals. Kyrie there going nets as through boxing Blue Tennessee. I CVS boy, stay boy, you got a cool boy. Fighting was going down Philly Unification. Brandon Figure Rollers, Yeah, we was there. He was killed it. I was gonna tape kid was killing Yeah yeah yeah. I think. Um, I think, man, we just need the

best fighting the best, you know what I mean. But I think the these young kids, man is on a different different level. Man the ground boots and it's the Devin Haines, the till Febo Lopez the Shaker. Steven says that Chris cool boy, I mean the cool boys stuff that Chris Kober's man. These kids is fifteen fights in man, winning belts man. Yeah, you feel what I'm saying, and fighting veterans already dodging Boots all there because Boots hit too hard. Man, Boots to first way, the biggest wealth

the way, the bigger than everybody. Errold's made bigger than all of them. Then he's different. He's different man. Boots always been different man. But Boots dad is different. Boots Dad right now with sixty six years old, get in the ring and sparred his fighters and put hands on him. Yes, he's different right now. So you know, Boots reminds me of Floyd because he was born in a boxing tip, his pop box. His two brothers was professionals. His two

brothers was the ship. You feel what I'm saying. They just succumbed to the hood ship when you get nineteen and no you popping you. Yeah, but this his brothers was the ship. You feel what I'm saying. Don't want to saying everything they did wrong. He was the one that was right there at all the fights. He liked this four years Ludi in the gym five years Ludi and the gym. Then he got a nephew right now who like he liked four years old. If you look at him, I just told Boots in the gym, he's

the only person that's gonna be better than you. He four years old. He already in the gym thing combinations. They got him sparring six years older. Like, so it's like that's the family bro that kid. Don't smoke, don't drink, don't go wow, don't do ship will go to the gym and home. That's it. Question thoughts on that, because I know there's athletes in similar situations. It's just their life mission. We were fortunate enough to make it, but

we enjoyed the process. Not saying these people are not gonna enjoy. But you just mentioned like the kind of regiment he's on. What do you think about that? I mean, some people are just straight, straight, working don't enjoy the pleasures of it. Some people can work and enjoy the pleasures. What's your thoughts? I feel like when you when you when you in sports, when you you know, like y'all, I feel like, man, the most important thing man is

is to to get your money. Man. You know what I'm saying, like like Boots right now, you know, or any boxer right now. You're young. You hope you got the talent. God bless you with that talent. Now it's up to you to put the hard work in and finish the jabballs. This is what we're talking about. This is a thirteen fourteen year thing. That's when it's over. You're probably gonna missed the ship for the rest of your life because everybody missed the de warded crowd, everybody

missed the six eight from the university. Yeah, y'all miss that ship. We all missing a little bit. You feel what I'm saying. So, but but I always tell him, it's these next ten twelve years the most important years of your life. You do these right said from you for the rest of your life. If you want to have four chicks and Mexico phon when you're dick in the Russian headlock, he could do that. If you want to run around here like he was a married many train.

But I'm just saying, if you want to run around her like Floyd Mayweather with twenty two women walking into all your invention, you could do that. Because you work. It's hard to do that. But you first got to achieve your goals to be able to live. So you gotta do what you don't want to do now to do what you want to do later. Feel me looking back from you guys. First episode that aired in April nineteen, Are you guys happy with what you've accomplished in the

progress you continue to make. I'm just I'm just happy with barstool Man, Barto Man, the best partners we could have ever possibly got with, because one thing I liked about them is they know how to measure tomorrow. A lot of people look at you right now and uh, when they look at you right now and they're basic, Oh as you as you as you at the top

right now, and they can't see tomorrow. A lot of these companies, a lot of people they don't have the vision and understand this technology and understand group and say, okay, they right here now, imagine what they're gonna be five years from now. Imagice. A lot of people just say, oh, they're not hot this day. They're hot, they're warm, but we we don't have the resources to make that, you know, to give them they haven more ammunition to amplify them more. Uh,

And they did. They understood. They got with us, We talked to him, we sat down. I think we had one million uh Monday when we went to the office. Then then David erica E money came down to us and we got it done. It wasn't it wasn't no bullshit. I don't I'm not meeting to meet. We're not doing all these meetings. When you got the numbers, are you're doing it. We'll be talking about Jerry McGuire showing me the money power of social media and how vital it

is today. And like you said from the beginning, I mean getting your ship off. Now, you gotta get like like one thing about social media it makes the world small because everybody is connected. But it's also as a tool that you can utilize to get your message. I don't care if you're selling rocks. I don't care if you're selling rice. I don't care if you you're just talking. It's a place where is though. It can amplify anything you got if you're willing to put the work in

the build. It's yeah, it's basically your own thing and it's about building now. It's about you're going to be discipline enough to build whatever you're going it's gonna you gotta service these people every day. You gotta service your audience and understand that you work for your audience. The audience don't work for you. And once you understand that, you you got to build your audience and overserve some time.

Because we're living in the world where's though one minute on social can change your life forever one day and because that minute could turn into a day, and that day could turn into and they can take But a lot of people don't have nothing to land on. You know how. You have people that we hear about they didn't they wasn't putting the work. They just stumbled across

that moment. So by you not putting the work, when they go, the people don't hand them to the double back of land on because you don't have nobody or work there. So you got two types of people. Got the people that go and they stay because they got something to go back to. They're gonna go back to YouTube. Oh this guy they've been doing this. Then some people they go they got a moment and a little hot

people burn them out and then it's over. So you gotta be able to build something and you gotta super serve your audience you gotta take care of because our attention span is like this. They can forget about you tomorrow. If you don't come tomorrow, they're gonna forget about you. You gotta come every day. On social you gotta bring that fire whatever you got going on, and it's gonna help. You know. Social media, it builds you when you when you work on it, it grows you. It's also ego crush,

you know what I mean. Crushes acrushes millions of people's egos every day because people are out here measuring their life man to other. Motherfucker's on in awful illusions. This ship is magical too. It's a lot of a lot illusions that they're using. You will sit there and watch Instagram and use a a lot of these relationships, a lot of the success as productions. You will watching production on Instagram and you will measure your life with what

you're doing and not doing. Yo. You're watching the movie, You're watching the production like they produced that. It took time to get that here on. It took time to they're going bar that car. It took time to take the pictures in that hotel or that airbnbat. It's a time it's a time to the photograph, to get the pictures and edit them and send them back. People do photo shoots just Instagram. Absolutely some time going to And that's like you was getting off the jet, like it

took time for that after you landing the Southwest. Yeah, yeah, it's a time for that. Shout out Southwest, fly Southwest a lot. So at the end of the day, Southwest, plug him up, him up, show me love. Oh, we got deals right there. I'm gonna negotiate that. But what I'm saying, that's what it's about, partnership, know people, to know people, to know people. But what I'm saying is that you'll be looking at the produce highly Hollywood like produce illusion and you would say, oh, I'm not living

I'm not doing enough like me. Oh God, please you you talk. Don't stop taking that ship to God, to stop talking to God about these illusions down here. You keep talking to guy. Leave God the funking you you're talking to guy like you're back to this. I gotta take care to blind, I gotta take care of homeless. I gotta take it a little back. You back. Didn't I tell you about this last week? You're back asked

me about some worldly things that I already put. God put anything on the planning for you, all the twols. You need people the connect with it. But leaving it was alone because he gotta take here to the babies. He gotta take here the elderly, gotta take care the mentally ill. But you keep hinling and be like, oh you're back again. Did I tell you? You keep hidling about you keep finding about you when the Lamborghini people try gonna pray to God for all these worldly things

I wanted. I wanted channel bad. Come on, man, not people they're you know, they're they're worse likes and comments. Yeah, it's a sass and destroying relationships. It's destroying relationships. And like it's destroying relations because anything is a measurement. Oh oh, you know you know Jack but his girl the lamborghine or Jack? Oh, now you've got women that How are you trying to press the dude to get the Lamborghinia? You're read the nurse Shorty and Do is a mail man,

but you're putting pressure? Are you sending them that stuff? At work? He's like, how I post? How you posed to take that? You send a picture? Uh? College sense to buying money back between that anchors and sending that to huh, why why why you? Why? Why you gotta

do that? Why all that? It's a different situation then, and it's like I'm just I can't speak for anybody, but I just speak for the brothers, and it's like we're living in the world now where for so long the system was they had a marketing campaign against us saying we wasn't ship. Then the media had a marketing campaign saying it was a ship. Now the black women saying waiting ship. So it's like, what the funk? Thanks some especially social media, it's like out there, yeah, yeah,

you ain't a ship. That's what makes the world go right around. But it's like, man, a situation now where it's you're in a situation now where's doing is taking up beating out here? Especially on social media that ain't just had some bunch anybody hitting anybody hurt? Oh it's crazy ship. Yeah yeah, I think I think the dig is bad at her right now. Quick hitters, Quick hitters. First thing to kind of up, y'all can work together on these top five rappers in the game right now.

You gotta problem to have them all on y'all show Top five rappers in the game right now. Yeah, I have one of my favorites on y'all showed you recently. Who is in your opinion? Oh with my opinion, in your opinion? The Baby, the Baby, fuck so little Dirk, Little Dirk, Jada kiss He's hot. That's my golly bag Yo on one money bag Yo, s T h R. How you ain't gonna miss Yeah, you can give your list next. Um disrespect man. I'll be representing the young

now run around listening to the young Niggers. Man, s T. That's my dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't get break. Came and stay in my house for two days. That's the only thing we heard for two I don't know who he was. I could see all the songs. Now I look back, my list could be Uh. Of course you went through dreasy drink. Shout out because I still be listening. Shout out to Shout out to your family.

Ainybody back. It came Cree and Memphis. Shout out to y'all. Um, you got that's crazy because I'll be listening to all the types of stuff like the Baby. I've been listening to that new draw. Uh what else I've been listening to new I'll been listening to said right now, right now? Okay, I like you know, I don't wick I like your song? Oh always uh one, I got like the same list, yes, CG. But but I listen. I listen to you, you know, I listen to Drenk. I listen to all that stuff.

So I can't just get fired. But I'm never gonna be able to get fired. There's too many each of your dream interviews past the present, the dream person to happen on your show, and Michael Jordan's you dinel wow do yeh. It's more for you build your own starting five of current NBA players to go head up against each other. Oh no, so both of you guys, you're starting fives to play. You guys are the coaches. Oh I got you, I can kill you. Oh I got steps at the point, right, I got all right? Who's

your point? We'll go back and forth, so you don't what's my man? Damon little? Okay, Okay, who's your two? My two would have to be I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with it, go to stay back court. I'm like shooting, I'm picking old. Let me get what let me get? Uh I need uh durant, you don't even know what I'm not. I'm just picking my time were now we're going back and forth. Who see back when

I played, it wasn't no twos and ones. I'm listen said definitely when it was father, ain't no no understand you're talking about this, ain't no DJ and I'm that you got you got, I got my man and I got damn it little, I'm gonta stand the sext. You got my three, I'm putting um, you got two shooters already. Well know I'm going defense for Connick please as well. Oh no, I'm going to three. I'm going. Um, I'm going Luca thought I just knew he was going bro Yo.

I gotta pick my the man my team last year. Uh my man, honest a team. I'm stacking on him before. I'm going Damn, that's hard. I'm killing me. I'm killing him already. How are you? How are you gonna miss? I'm killing you, Katy. That's just length. I got shooters, man, a whole bunch of buckets. Nigger, that's length. That's fifty points. Twe that's sixty points. You're done. I killed them. He posted no sports hold on my four. You can move him to the four. Bron, who your next pick? What's

the boy? I need to currently hear boy from Atlanta that shoot that. Yeah, I put him on the team too. So you got Tray young dame from Atta. And then I'm going, I'm going, Joel, you're in trouble with your last pig. That's your trouble because Tray small, Tray and Day. First of all, Clay play defense, because locking up Clay, locking up Joel and b play defense. Ron Ron the block shots. Bron play defense. But he used to be

more lazy. That's one of them dudes. I like. On the next week for the playoffs, step Is, I don't know, I'm gonna pick my last one. I think one of them tall boys. I don't know. Somebody wanted them, but my team busted joke. See yeah, damn yeah, get him do him go listen listen, I've seen it get different. Is my team moved the ball? You got all dominant need to need the ball in their hands to shoot. No Steph can come off a pick. Clay Clint can

get sixty points on four dribbles. He don't need the ball so that so that loosens up Lebron being able to have the ball a little bit more. He could facilitate Steph and Clint coming off. Man, you gotta be kidding me. You ain't got a shot. What albums do you? Can't you listen to our repeat No Skills? One album that you were Sampa My greatest album in the world, Process by Sampa Who Sampa Soundpa My favorite artist in

the world. He's from London. His name Sampa as m p h A. No, he just he just's just so genre electric electronic. Okay, okay, he's everything. I gotta meeting One album that I can listen to. I gotta meet Sample. I got you, but I heard him. I got to man. One album I canna listen to front the Back probably would be uh reasonable doubt what I've been on that heavy the past? Crazy said that. Yeah, preasn't heavy heavy knock the hustible doubt. What's some game or advice you

would give your listeners? Are listeners right now? Just do it? Man, whatever you whatever you're trying to do in life, do that ship man, stop watching life pass you by like a fucking him to accord on the E Way man, stop overthinking ship, do do and figure out as you do with it. My thing is uh number one, pick you, pick you, and if you feel it, live it. Don't

double back when you're feeling. If you if you feel it, if you feel that you want to wear this, if you feel that you want to do this, go ahead and live it because you got If you want to be a graphic designer, go on YouTube and learning, Uh, whatever you want. If you want to wear certain clothes, if you want to you know, hey, your hair and line whatever, whatever your thing is out there in life. Don't let nobody put their insecurities and fears of the

idea of the life that you have for yourself. Just go out, especially especially to young kids. Um. I know it's hard because you've got people out there that's that's gonna say something about you on social media or that's not gonna approve. Stop looking for approval from people. You know, we're looking for approval to live like. You don't need permission to live. Get out there and live your life every way possible. I don't care what you are, I don't care what you think you want to do. Just

live it. You know what I mean? Because you feel it, and that's who you are. You know. Last question, man, if you can have a duo on all the smoke, who would it be? But before y'all answer the question, you'll have to help us get y'all answer on the show. Y'all have to bark pretty high with yourself though. So is there another duo out there you can think of that will have? Know what you mean, what that will be on this show? I mean we've got the too, you know, it's only one I can think of that

that we with. Like when you said due, I probably think like two people that it's Nor and FM. Yes, who are you saying? Who are you thinking? Man? Knuckleheads Dash, Miles and Rich? Yeah? What they thought though too? That Yeah, Like you know, I don't know them. That's why I said I can make the call. We can get that done. And and and you know, I just like the fact that, man, we all in different lanes, man, and we all got love to each other, and we're all embracing each other.

And it's it's no competition. Man, we're grown man, right, we actually just so that's me setting away example of how we're supposed to be a lot of them. I was older than you that's crazy. No you O, he's fifty. I'm forty three. I didn't know I was over, he said. He just shut the hell up. He even pithy. Yeah, he got to pull up about to google the ship. He really fifthy. He put that out there too, lying, ain't he got my fucker's really walking up? What say

you fifty on the gram this morning? Funny ship? When you'll see when you'll see people that look like y'all, y'all post it on y'all page. Bro, I don't gotta see it because all my following was sending that ship to me. Gil, I've seen you out here in Buffalo while who did this? Man? Some thirty seven seven on seven said you did that? Like you said. They got new people that knew people that knew people, the thirty seven Gilly the Kid Network and Proper Why Slim from

Cash Money pop up, that's whose face came up. We're gonna say my networks was two million. You got me they the new contracts. Ain't got me fucked up? When ain't push ninety six and we want to thank you all for coming again. Man, We really appreciate what you gotta do it. They gotta collab and do something together. We come in the Atlantic. Yeah, coming to stay. Pull up, We're gonna get it in. Good luck with the tour, good luck with every Go check out this and get

your tickets. Man for the million dollars right now. Plugs where the game go too. It's Sember four, It's going down. That's what we say to Gilly the King on Instagram. Wallow to six seven on Instagram and work for game. Go to YouTube, subscribe, go to Apple, go to Spotify listen tap into what's going on? Man, I was with a game man. We're not playing new game bars too,

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