DeSean Jackson | Ep 109 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

we're back man season three. Uh, it's good to be back. We're back rolling. We're back in l A. We got family in the building today. Man, last name one of the one of one of our homies, my old next door neighbor, current Los Angeles Ram Deshan Jackson. Appreciate about time. Appreciate you finding time. I mean you're back home l A. Rams, I mean you're going into your fourteen season fourteen D we both play four teens and you're playing at home. Talk to us about that. Man. For me, it's like

everything come back full circle. You know, to be in the NFL, to come from Los Angeles, California, born and raised to play pop wanted to grow up in a sports city. Never really been able to play at home. You know, I didn't play thirteen years in the NFL, and every time it's time to go to season, I gotta go to the East coast, Philly, Tamble, Washington. So for me that this this time back around a special man and it means a little more man. But talk to us about because we talked off air, I got

a chance to play at home. You never got a chance to play at home right close, but not home. Have you got to kind of change your whole mentality because you're older now, you know what I mean? You on you on your last you know handful of years, you know, guy Willing, Uh, you know obviously aspiration, the goals to touch that Hall of Fame with You're on pace to talk to the fans about how you kind of had to come back to l A. But also,

you know, keep that focus. First off, when I first came out, when I realized I was coming back home, because I kind of knew before I got a great relationship with Sha mcvei, so um, you know, when I found out I was coming back home, the first thing I did was changed the phone, then changed both numbers right around, Like I'm going back home. It's Hollywood, you know, the hood. You know, I go hang out with the homies.

I'm like, the first thing I'm doing is changing my number. So, um, I remember Sean McVeigh actually like the next day we signed and then he hit me like dam I can't even get a holdie. I'm like, yeah, coach had to change the number. It's like, man, that's that serious thing. But for me, like coming back home. You know, I'm

thirty four years old, you know, going fourteenth year. So for me, like you know, I know these last few years, I got a real shot at you know, solidifying the Hall of Fame spotting for me, you know, being being able to be one of the biggest deep threats ever, you know, passing Jerry Rice, Randy, Andy mar you get

what I'm saying. So for me growing up, like that's what I had inspired me, you know, and for me to be in the same conversations with them type of dudes, like I had to come back and let people know that I'm not here at the party. I'm not here to be at One Oak like now, I'm here to do my thing on the field and win the Super bo Bro. That's my main focus. So I had to you know, solidify that first. I mean that that that

kind of leads us into our next question. I mean, you have a team that that that that has a chance to a ring, you know what I mean. And you're back at home on top of that, So talk to us what that atmosphere has been like? Uh, you know, teaming up with Matthew Stafford, you guys got a loaded

old loaded defense. What's that environment been like? Man? Honestly, you know I didn't playing on some good teams going back to the year with Michael Vick, Sean McCoy, Jeremy Matt Like, we had we had some dogs back in Philly. But I mean to fast forward everything right now, like you said, Aaron Donald, Jaden Ramsey, Like, I'm playing with some dogs, like legitimate players in the league right now. You know, Aaron know what he was the number two

overall player. Jane Razzy I think was thirteen in the top one hunter. So for me to be on this team, man, like I knew stepping in, like we really got a shot to win the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl here in l A. But you know, we want to pick too soon. It's a long season. Rock Cowboys doing good. Great,

that's a lot of good teams. But we know, you know, if we just keep our head down China mentality and keep working every day, if we look at every week like we want to go we zero zero trying to go one and know at the end of the season, I think you know that I have a stand in the last one you mentioned coach McVay, you had a prior relationship with him. Speak to how you guys relationships started. Man back in what was that two thousand and fourteen?

I remember when uh I got released by the Philadelphia Eagles. Everybody you know who knows me knows about that situation, and uh, you know, I had a chance to go to a few teams, but it was it was personal. I had to stay in that division, NFC East. Like I'm like Eagles just coming like there's only a few Thames I already wanted to go to. So I'm like Washington with the team Jay, you had j Gruden, you had Seamanvey, who was you know, Jay Ruins, the head coach.

Samany was the office of coordinator. So right when they realized I was a free agent, day like we gotta figure out the way to get this little bit her tape, like whatever we gotta do. We've been seeing him torts us for years, you know, just playing Washington and you

know for doing all that. So our relationship really started early. Man, Like going back to I played three years in Washington, Like I think out of the three years I played there, two years, I want to a thousand yards, had like nine touchdowns, like sixty, like we was bowling, you know, so flips. I had to come back now and seeing

his progress, Like the dude is a genius. Bro. I really look at him, like on the Bill Belichick, Andy Red, I mean Belichick, Andy Reid, like he has the smarts and the way he puts his players in positions to always beat the defense. Bro. It's like he would go for what he do. How was it growing up in the Crishaw neighbor l a man you know, you know,

arrest of Peaceni neighborhood, nip man up. You know, for me, I think to get kind of instilled, you know, that that greatness, that like that competitive nature, you know what I'm saying. Like we really didn't have no hope. We ain't really you know, we had dreams and desires, but we didn't really it was only certain few influences we really had to look up to you know what I'm saying. Yeah, on some positive like you know, you you're going to the store. You know, it's dudes at the corner store

hanging out, game bang and selling drugs. You get what I'm saying. So on a daily basis, you know, I was lucky and fortunate to have it pops around me that like seen you know that side of and he's like, no, I'm gonna take youlo. We're going to football, basketball, track, like everything, every sport because he knew if I was sitting at the crib or at home, what I would be getting into, you know. So for me, I think it just installed me to just go out there and

want to be different. Like it was something about looking at the ogs looking up to him, like, man, I want to do that, but it's like I really wanted to do it the positive way where I could go be on television where I can all my dudes back in the hood see me Sean Jackson on national television. I'm rapping from my city and where my hood is, you know. So for me, that's what made me inspired and I really wanted to go out there and do

good from out my city. So you can say that the love for sports came from Uh, your parents are from are from you. You attended beach party to party, take high school, played baseball, ran track. The love of sports come from It wasn't still from your pops. Are just something you picked up? Um, I mean, I think it comes hand to hand. You know, my my pops grew up Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and when he grew up, he wasn't really able to play sports. You know. His pops

was worked in the steal mill. He like, we're working around here, like, ain't no sports, You're not doing none of that ship. So my pops never really was able to live out his dream because he loved sports, you know. So he was like, I'm gonna have kids, and I'm pushing all my kids to play sports, Like if I couldn't make it offen had kids and one of these little Niggs making it to the NFL. You know, we in reality was my older brother at first, and then

you know that wasn't really his dream of desire. So then you got me, this little kid. I'm like, sh I was a majority around my Aposta most out of all, you know, our siblings. So for me, I just installed like just growing up and just like I said, just be in competitive industries playing sideline pop, throw up tackle Like I was just wanting a little fastest, hardest dudes, and I was the toughest. I was the littlest one, but the toughest one. So I was like, man, you

know and started me at an early age to be great. Bro, you was a major league prospect. Of what position in baseball? Did you play? A lot of people don't know that that. Man. Yeah, so that's an interesting story too. So my pops he actually loved baseball. So this's the story about the baseball. So my pops love baseball, and he like, I'm taking you do all these sports, basketball, football, you rent a trade,

you doing it? You gotta play baseball for me. So it's like he almost like forced me to play baseball. So I was good at baseball, but I ain't really had a love for it like I love playing football, love doing everything else. So for me, I was really good at baseball, but I just didn't had that love foot. But looking back at it now, I'm like, if I could do it all love but I probably would have

did they get three hunder guaranteed? Like man, but you know, everything happen for a reason, bro, But ya was actually have a baseball. I played center field, second bag, I played everything. I used to be like left fielder, right fielder. Don't go in the gap, like anything hitting the gap and everything down, Like for real, you mentioned Nip earlier. What was your relationship with him? Like man, Nip Man.

So I remember back and probably like two thousand, like two thousand one, like I was a freshman of high school, and um, you know growing up in the Murder Park. You know, Crenshaw Slawson was literally ten fifteen blocks down the street, so you know, going up Cranshaw Audubon, like I used to know that. We were probably like thirteen fourteen years old. But back then it was just a pretty boy curly here. I ain't had a long here

back then, he had to curly here. He was just always had the white long t on, you know, back then, the pro cluse everybody you feel me. So it's just like just knowing that back then he was just like the little player, like pretty boy, do you know? And then it's like I remember like around high school he started rapping, and I'm like, he re wrapping all right, try trying to figure out if he's hard enough. So you know, back then, really nobody really knew about him.

Then you know he got lost some boys and you just start seeing them out on Crenshaw out the back of the bends, Trump popping the trunk, giving out CDs. Like I'm like, man, this isn't really taking this ship serious. So for me, I saw his his work. I saw what he put into it, and to look up to you know, what he did inspired everybody and just how he tried to you know, provide jobs and just you know, changing the community. Man like me and Nip go back, bro.

But you know, he definitely inspired for the Crenshaw community. Rest in peace, Rest in peace. UM high school football sixty catches, over a thousand yards, fifteen touchdowns. What was it like out there playing in high school men, like on Friday night? Yeah? First of all, ship, I mean high school like Long Beage probably went to the number one high school and all of America, like literally probably put the most people in the NFL. So growing up,

ol ways, see I'm not from Longbies. Everybody thinking I'm from Long Bees, but I'm not from Long Me so I grew what, like you said, Crisshaw South Central and as a as a grade, I'm trying to figure out, like, man, what high school gonna go to? Now? My pops he was like the biggest scout of America, Like he already had deals and broke it in with this high school coach. He's gonna vantage, he's going to crush. Are you going

to doors? You know he's going to wear Chester. So I was sitting back like trying to really figure out what high school and go to. And then my older brother was like, if you really want to go to the best high school, and you know for a fact they're gonna have scholars They're gonna have scholars they're gonna have coaches coming in like the best of the best. You know, we're going to Long Beach party. So I'm like thinking about I'm like, all right, ship, let's go.

But when I went, literally we had uh Herschel, Dennis Darnell, being Mercedes Lewis manyor right, like it was literally like seven dudes. It was going Division one. I all had top scholarships from s c U C l A. So I was a freshman going into that, so I'm like, sh all I gotta do is even if I'm a

halfway decent, I'm gonna go get a Division one scholarship. So, you know, coming out there from l A and being one of the best to play part Warner and come to party like I already had to earn that, you know what I'm saying, because it was really dogs like long bees probably, like I'm telling you, they're the best of the best. So for me to come all the way from l A and come to Polly like I already came from outside in it was like really insider, you feel what I'm saying. So it was fun, man,

it was. It was big games though, like I was prepared to play on a big level being in party because once I got to college, that ship was like it was next next, Yeah, like NFL was next. Like I'm killing that ship just because the mentality and being around people that was like really good. I mean, you talked to your high school creer off with the m v P of the All American Game. Uh, who was recruiting you? And why did you end up going the

cow Man? I had ship. I had all the schools Florida States, the Miamis the Oklahoma's the L. S Shoes Like I had partly of a hundred plus offers and uh, you know I was close to going to L. S. Shoe. That was Nick Saban was there. Man. It was son about that that culture out there, man, that food and women. Like I'm like, man, the South got me Louisiana half

I took. I took I think folk trips, like I went to Oklahoma, went to L. S U. And then was like I said, when I went to L. S U was just something about like just how they treated me, the food, and I'm like, man, it's something about that South, you know, Like I'm like I almost had it. But then Nick Saban ended up leaving that he went to the Miami Dolphins. So when he left, I'm like, man, that's out. And then um I had s C. I committed.

I was a year sc one. They uh shoot who they had Reggie Bush, Lynn del White that they just had won UM the National Championship and I remember they called me out of the game, had Peek Hero on there. It was all hype on the bus turned up like yeah you coming. I'm like, yeah, I'm coming. I'm committing. So I commit and I just felt like, man, they they like giving these dudes from out of state like extra Like I wanted number one and they didn't give

me number one. So I'm like they started like showing dudes out of stay more love than they showing interstate because they was like, oh, Poli, dudes used to go into SC We're gonna tell you for granted, like he'd coming here. So I'm like, you know what, I'm shaking in the year before that cow just beat at See when you had they have mare Shawn lynch Uh Aaron Rodgers they beat him in the in the college seam upset. I'm like, you know what, instead of joining the best,

I'm gonna go somewhere and beat the best. And that was just the mentality I had, Like I didn't want to just be labeled as somebody that just went there just because they thought they had me in their back seat. So that was my decision. What was your record against SC man, don't do that. I was three, But how did you do every time we played them? They had like three dudes. I mean, there's like, we're not letting

this a little dude kill us. But now I had some good games versus Obviously, I was a vocal point when I played against him, and they definitely was like, yeah, we ain't gonna let him go. So I did cool though, but it was on three hurt. Did Aaron Rodgers kind of was recruiting you two or kind of the guy that showed you a little bit? He did? Man, and like so, So Aaron Rodgers was a junior when I was a fresh or no he was. He was a junior when I was a senior high school. So when

I'm committing there, you know, my ship. Aaron Rodgers one of the best quarterbacks in college football, I'm like, I'm going there. So the minute I commit, he entered the NFL and the league, so he left his junior year. So I came in and he wasn't even near in them. But you know, we had like I said, we had Marshawn Lynz just before I said, we had some. We had some good some good dudes. Can you imagine though, you and we didn't weren't win that because that that year.

That next year was actually like it was number two in the nation and we end up losing the freaking like Oregon State or crazy Fluke ship. But man, ye'all think about that, I'm like, damn, just imagine if we were if he had to stay and we were to play like a full year together. He was number two account Yeah, yeah, we was a highest rank was number two. We started like five and oh we was on a college game that we played Oregon. At Oregon, I went crazy,

had like three touches down. I was like a hundred and eight yards like, I went crazy. So I remember that game. I came up, you know they do the uh the broadcasting after the game and bring me. I had a big gass suit on. That was back in the day when you know we were Harvey. Yeah, we went our was big shout. I went there talking and ship and but it was like and we went on the downhire After that we lost like the next like folk games bro. We was never two of the day

at one point down here. Um, if I'm not mistaken, that was during the We Believe time too, right. It was out there while we was rocking right over the way. Yeah, because I remember I checked when you guys games at one time. Yeah, that was that was a big game. Were you guys able to get out to any of those games? Are you watch them on TV? Or what? Was it like during your college experience out there? No, it was. It was definitely big for us looking up to to y'all, man, what y'all used to do back

back and go to state. Like, man, that y'all was really like a culture man, like you know, b d obviously respect, you know, shout out big bro, b d um bro was there. I mean, you know y'all, y'all had a wave out there, man, and for us like y'all the culture bro. You know, I'm not even gonna sit here and act like it ain't big like what y'all did and how y'all carried your game and just like what y'all meant for the for the culture bro, like we we all looked up to that. You know

me like growing up, I'm a smaller dude. So the guys that I really looked up to is the Michael Vicks to Alan Irasons. You know, the Kobe is the dude with your child are respected and respected you vice versus. So that mentality, man, Like, it's much respect to what you're doing and continuously still doing, how you're tapped in with the youth and you know, your your boys, your twins.

You know, I respect everything you know, with them. But I'd love to see it, bro because it give me something to look up to when I'm done playing ball, you know, appreciate what was your relationships like with Marshawn Marren Shaw. So, so it's an interesting story about Marren Shawn. So obviously Marshawn Oakland Tech Oakland, California to the full, you know, northfo Olkland family. First, you don't shot my brother.

But uh so coming from l A, you know, l A is a little as I ain't gonna say that little. It's a lot different than the Bay Area. So you know, me growing up, you got games, you got blood, you got cribs. You know, you've got different sets. So for me growing up in the in the l A culture, going to cow, at first, I didn't understand what was going on because you gotta due saying blood and cousin one sittence. It's like they know they're basically saying your

blood and they don't even care. They just talking. So it's like they culture out there is just total different. It's like and they're not even in tune, like they're literally you don't even think they from California bro out there because they're not even in tune with the l a culture. Bro. They got their own culture. So for me, I'm like, marn Shawn was just himself, bro like he didn't really care, like he was straight, but he was smart,

like he was intelligent. You know, he did good in school, like a lot of people don't know how good he did in school, like he them there was graduated before he left Calf, You get what I'm saying. So the respect level me and him. I remember I was a freshman and he was a sophomore and I came and I was one of the fastest on the team and He's looking at me like who this little niked thing? He's that nigga line up, Nia, let's race like this big he bought two twit six ft looking at me

like really like that's race. So I'm like, you sure you in the race? You know I'm cocky. I'm like, you sure you're in the race? Like you lined up? We got out the every race. I beat him, but he put up a fight though he wasn't slow. Watched out all that stuff, and I'm like it just gave me a respect for bread different because he knew he was he knew I was fashioning but he was like anyway, bro,

So it's like much respect of money man. So decorated college career, Uh, one of the top receivers in the country. You make your jump to the league second round pick. Did you have a chip on your shoulder for sure? And the reason why I say I had a chip, it's like all right for me college, right, Like every every step of the way from high school college like I've always been the best, always been you know, stats,

they're proven. Everything was proven for me. So so coming out my junior year, I actually put in a little note and they was like it came back and it was like guaranteed. They didn't say guarantee, but they give you a projection. So they said anywhere from first round to like the end of the first round, so like the first pick to So I'm like, ship, all right, I'm going. I ain't no point of going coming back to college for my my senior year when they're already

solidified that. So I'm like, I'm gone. So I entered in the NFL, and I remember back then my coach it was Jeff Teffer. At the time, I had like a little personal relationship with you know him, him and my dad like had like a little beef and my apostles becussing all after the game, like if my son don't get tent catches two on the yard and I'm cussing you out after the game. So post was turned up after every game. You know, Paul Draget turned up he I ain't had a game. He wanted me to

have coach hearing about it. So I feel like that kind of hurt me going into the to the league because you know, Jeff Teffer was kind of asked about certain situations and was like, yeah, I think his dad could be a problem with Woo And it just was like they kind of hurt my draft, as you know, and I took a personal because all the teams have passed on me that first year when I was in Philadelphia, every team to pass on me. I made him play

my first year. We we went to the NFC Conference championship game where I thought I'll scored to win a touchdown and we're going to the to the Super Bowl, but Larry Fitzgill came down this crazier. That was the year. Uh the Steelers played um Arizona in the in the Super Bowl. But yeah, that was my rookie year, bro, and it was lit, man, it was lit. What's it like stepping on that stage? I mean you all about

five nine? Ja, yeah, give me my five tim by telling you right now, I'm like, but when I first came in, I was one sixty nine. They gave me it was like five nine whatever, like seven corp whatever it was. I geet like the average height of an average man. And to think that Jack Jack made a joke like you played you gotta when you say NBA years in the NFL for your size though, like no one. I mean, it's really really hass off to you, bro.

I mean, obviously we're homies. And when I think people kind of take that ship for grandaboall for for you to accompany and you're not done, but for you to making fourteen years in the league at your size, that that says a lot about you, man, a lot about you. Definitely done. I appreciate that, but you know, I just take it back to my mentality just growing up, how

I grew up having the pops around me. You know, they really just didn't really care about anything, like if I if I wanted to envision myself or I wanted to do something I'm gonna do it. And that's just been my mentality the whole time. And always I ain't the biggest, but every time I step on the field, I feel like I'm the biggest. You know what I'm saying, Like I feel like I'm lying hearted And it's like I don't care how big you is. I don't care.

My pop said, never fair man regards how big how small he put his pants on, just like you, you know what I'm saying. So for me, that's just always been my mentality, bro. But uh, I definitely speaks to numbers. And like you said, I'm still not done, still playing at the high level, and uh you know, I take PROBLEMSIP every every time I wake up, every time I step on the field. But I want to be the best doing it, you know what I mean. I am who I am for a reason because that's that mentality.

You know. It's just like that that mama mentality. You know the facts y'all played against the y'all know what? Uh what it being stamped by Jerry Rice when he said he had this kid has all the talent in the world. What does that mean for you to to be the greatest re siver? Of all time to stamp you like that. Yeah, that was a special moment because I was. I was before I even played the NFL game.

Like I was. I had an opportunity because at that time my agency that I was signed with he was signed to him as well too, so um I had a chance to work out with him out and we ran routes. He was like, I want you to run every route. I ran ligurly every route from route one to the go route, and he was like, I only got one route. I want to work with you him. I'm like, I just ran like routes and you're telling me just one route. So I'm trying to interested to

what he's gonna say. He was like, you're just running too fast on my speed out. I want you to slow it down and get under control, and you master that ain't nobody's gonna be at the message. So from day one, I'm like, I'm thinking he finna critique me. I'm thinking he was the speed I was like a quick out, fire yard out. But he was saying, I'm so fast. I need to run that in under control and still be fast but not unting too fast round like out of control. Renting a route so that route

is like one of the easiest routes. So that was the only route he critiqued me on something like I could be special, bro, And I knew that from the day when I'm like, I'll do my ship and stay on it and work. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a good rod. What's the fastest time you ever ran in the period for the fastest time, I uh, I ran before it was I was in I was in college. I want to say, like my junior I ran four to four. That's that. Don speed talk about your rookie,

your rookie experience. When I came in, I just had the mentality like I didn't really care who the starting re series was, like I'm coming in. I'm taking somebody's spot. Like that's my me coming in. I don't Sometimes these young dudes they come in, they be asking questions. I'm like, bro, you can't make the game bigger than it is. We've been playing this since a little kid in the park.

Just how I'm sure it is for basketball, Like, once you got to the NBA, you can't be like, oh my god, the lights and all these fans screamed, no, we gotta tune in and play ball. So me I had the mentality was the game ain't gonna be bigger than it is. It's still football. And I think these young dudes come in, they'd be like a deer in the head, like because they don't understand, like, it's still football. It's still bad. It's a sport. It's a game that

we love growing up. But don't make it bigger. If you make it bigger it is, then you're gonna always be behind the eight ball trying to figure out them. How can I make the game not as big as it is? Like, No, I'm the game, I'm the moment is big. And that's my philosophy on that ship, bro, it's it's not it's a game, bro. We have fun with the ship and play at the high level. Sure, who are your vests that you leaned on the rookie year? As soon as you got to leave A good question, man.

So when I came in, I had some real old g s man special I'm gonna give you the names first, and I'm gonna give you a special story about a situation of my rookie year. But so I came in, I had Diminly that was my quarterback Brian Westbrook the running back. UM sante Samuel Uh. Brian Dawkins said about to say with Brian Dawkins. Brian Dawkins, UM a few

a few dudes, but um the special story. So I was I was in like my seventh eighth game and we was playing in Chicago this one lads Briggs Uh, Brian Urlacker like dogs like you know, Brian, like your legitimate could be one of the best, you know played the game. So We're playing verse these dudes, and I'm like this one of them games where I'm like, then I'm really playing versus some dudes that them They're killed me if I right across the middle right, so I

score touchdown. I'm balling in the game. So it becomes a point where they punted the ball and I'm back putting the ball and I had like clown and had the ball in one hand. I fumbled, but we ended up getting the ball back. Well, Al must have came to Silline brown Dog and must to grab me up. Snatched me up because you know, he didn't really cuss. It was all about God and like, but he came at you on a crazy way. You know what I mean. If you do that again. I'm like talking to me

like my daddy. Shoot, I'm like, man, I ain't messing with that, dude, But you got only But it was just the respect, bro, like you got real O. G's when you're messing up and you're doing wrong, they're gonna create that, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, that's what it started in greatness in me. You know he guys like him can do that though, because you know he about to die to win the game. He he putting his body everything, doing everything, literally legitimately popping his

neck out of soccer shoulder. I didn't seen him like Craig like he was. He really was Weapon X on the field. He wasn't Brian Dawkins like he turned in the Weapon X on the field like he had a Brian Dawkins locker room and he had a Weapon X locker room and the Weapon X locker room and all the X Men and all these characters in there. And when he went on the field, he was he really had a locker, bro. He had two lockers, bro, Like I'm telling you, bro, dude was he was in a

special Dude the best. Yeah, what was your welcome to the NFL moment, that one moment that he was like, damn, I'm here, I'm really here. Off the block, I'm here. I think I think London Fletcher man, so we just playing. I think it was early early in the season, rookie year. I think probably, I want to say the second and

third game. London Fletcher was a linebacker for the back Then theres a Redskins Washington Redskins, and uh, I had caught like a little fire yard, quick little route and I was right over there like the middle of the feel like guys, my side wound like to go that here. So it was like a little fire yard pass diamond like hit me. I caught the ball and all I remember was like walking to Silin and everything was just like spinning. I'm like I was out for the rest

of the game. I ain't go back in the game, end up having like a concussion. But I'm like, buddy smacking you like he had me, Like I didn't know where I was at. I ain't gonna lie, but yeah, that was that was one of the moments in London. He's a big, big dude, bro, and he was he was small, but he was like a stock big dude. Linebacker. That's like he like bla all muscle all I've seen you know how that little video you got the Birds tweet, Like,

where am I talk about the game against my corboy? Yeah, no, I don't do that while you're gonna do that. Man, the first touchdown you're talking about that dropped the ball too early, feeling yourself. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna let you had that one, but I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna speak on that momentary and I'm gonna come back and hurt your heart with something too. But I remember, I know what you know I was. I was young, and I was a rookie year. Just just at that

moment of time, I'm gonna get out of philosophy. So for me, growing up playing sports, you're not really able to allow the clown and dance and do all this crazies. So once you get to the NFL that allow you to, you know, having fun and do some crazy shit. So for me, I can remember that night before the game, like if I scool, I'm just going crazy, like I don't care about nothing. I'm getting the ends on them dancing.

I'm doing every dance I'm trying to just go crazy and have fun Monday night football or Sunday whatever it was. We was the primetime game. So once I caught the ball, I'm them there close to ENDZ and I'm like, I don't even care about this ball. The morning, I'm gonna get his ends on the dance bro. So that was just on my mind. So obviously dropped the ball a

little short. But uh, yeah, that's something that happened. Ain't happening again since the and then I did it in high school too, But you know the one the high school I was trying to beat the record. Uh, Reggie Bush jumped from like the fire yard line in the game Versu. You see it first the Bruins and he flipped an ends on. So I'm in the All Star Game. I'm like, you know, he dimmed from the fire Let me try to jump from the six. So I tried

to drop six. When I got in the air and I'm like, oh, shut off for the bus glass and I just dropped the ball because I was bracing the impact of how far I tried to jump like a bonehead. But yeah, you know that happened. I learned, but it ain't gonna happen Yeah, let's talk about that ninety one. Your touchdown on the side of ends on the cowboy he turned around on it. Yeah, I remember that that was that was hurt for the punt return, right. I

got some players versus Cowboys. I literally back in my early days when I was in Philadelphia, Man, I looked at myself as a Giant killer, a Cowboy killer. I killed the Redskins too, But it was just like it was some personal because I know that the rivals, like being an Eagle, the rider was with the Cowboys, the Giant like it's it's it's real, bro. And I had a lot of good years man on them. You got to taste the playoffs and oh eight, what was your

first playoff experience? Like, Man, the game moved way faster. Man. It was like things was moved like, you know, being a rookie adjusting to to my rookie season. I'm like, you know, it's fast, But the playoffs, Bro, it moved like and I'm talking about the first playoff game, like the wild card game. Bro. It was like you would just think everybody just turned up like twenty notches more and it's like, I don't know why. I guess everybody's

trying to win the Super Bowl. But it was just like the game was just moving faster, bro And for me, I just feel like we went on like every game was away, like we were. First game we played it was in in Minnesota. Then we played uh damn it. I don't remember. We played one more and then we

went to Arizona. But yeah, every game was on the road, and it was just like for us to not have that home field advantage, like, you know, playing on the road, it's it's tough, but that's that's what Bill's character, you know, like what you wanna do when everything is against you, all adversity or against you. So for me, I just

love silence in the crowd. But it's nothing like you're going to somebody else's house and standing on the couch and doing whatever the hell you want, walking out and saying we want like with better feelings that working with Donovan from that, what was that like? Man? Donovan? Man? You know, Donovan was interesting, dude, man, Like you know, you hear nothing cut you off. You hear a bunch of about him, and to this day don't get along. So I always wonder what he was like. They want

to scrap. It's real. They they had a real personal situation, and I could kind of understand it, you know, with with the sense of I I never really try to

talk about people to put people down. But it's just like he he was more like on on some selfish like he was about his self type ship, you know, like you could tell, like with certain quarterbacks, when you're the quarterback and you you the vocal point, like sometimes you might have to just take it on your shoulder, like my bad I missed that through or my bad just as a captain of the buildment for the team,

you get what I'm saying. It was just like certain times he didn't really want to take that up on him, you know. And not to say he wasn't a good player a good person, but it's just like certain times you could tell it was a little more a little more selfish, you know, And it was just like as a young dude, you really you're not looking for your quarterback to be that. You're looking for your quarterback to

embrace you and and really uplift you, you you know. So I could kind of see while him and Teo is how they are, you know, Andy Reid, what you learn from him man, father figure man, and Andy Reid for

me was like really like a second father man. And you know a special story about that was like I said, when I first got drafted, you know, uh, Jeff Teffer told told Andy Reid, you know some some hurtful things for me because you know, for me, I I know how my dad was, you know, heavily involved and you know how he used to go off on my coaches, but I knew it was always coming from a good place in the heart because at the end of the day, that's his son. He wanted his son to be the best,

and you know, he wanted to do the best. So you know, for me to hear what Jeff Teffer told my dad, you know on draft day, because right when they drafted me, he got on the phone and was like, basically, we don't want your that to be no issue we heard about like he was basically all the ship that he heard that my apostles doing the college. So for me him and then Andy Reid is from Los Angeles too, so he grew up in Los Angeles, so he knows the young kid coming from l A. He knows the

temptation and how it is growing up. But he just respected me like he was like, you know, I know how it is for you know, I know what your dad meant for you. But he was just like, you know, he was there for me, and he was. He was one of the coaches where he didn't really care if he was being too hard like you know, you you had them coaches read like, he hard on me, but it's only for the best, it's only for the betterment and me in my career, in my life, so you

can respect that a little more, you know. And he was he was really like, you know, a father figure in my life. It's a big difference between being on you and critiquing you and actually knowing that they care about you. Yeah, I know I've been to that situation to playing where coaches being a dick and mad at me because you know, his wife being friendly to me or something like that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

I'm just saying. I'm just saying I was. It was a situation for really, I ain't gonna say nobody's names, but I was. I was young at the time. You know, you can't help. But she said she knew I was young, and she was like a mother, like because my mother wasn't around. I was there young and you know what I mean, And he basically used that against me after I made the Rookie All Star Game and didn't play me. The whole second happen before, after you kissed her in

the mouth. Neither. You gotta be preparing for Matt's question about two thousand nine. Uh, your father passes, Um, what is it like? I had a situation from Golden State, and that's when me and Jack became really close to the beginning of the season, my mom died on cancer and died within twenty six days trying to play through the season. The whole ship was sucked up. What was it like for you being that your father was so integral in your development and becoming a man, and pretty

much right when you get to the league you lose him. Yeah, man, I mean for me that that was a tough I was a tough part of my life. I was. I was twenty years old. Like you said, everything my dad meant to me for me did for me. You know, the relationships, the bonds we built together. You know, it

was one of the things. I'm like, that's my first year in my NFL career, Like everything we planned everything we dreamed about, envisioned, like all the ship we talked about was gonna be doing, Like my dad was one of them. Was like he had all these these Moneys millions and all these women. I'm about without cars like traveling, like what nothing you can't do. So for me, it was just everything he envisioned to see how Possible went out like that man, Like, uh, it was hurtful man though,

So it was. It was actually, I want to say, like October and November, so during the season, it's early before the playoffs, so he just you know, Pops like, shot, you gotta manage. I'm coming out to the manage. I'm staying with you. I'm chilling like you know, I'm driving your cards like Possible. Really like he was like my brother, you know, like we had a great relationship. So during

the season. I remember he came out there and stayed with me during the season, and uh, he kind of like just got sick out of nowhere, like he had diabetes. So like he's always kind of like naming on the diabetes, like I just checking when I go back home, like I'm straight. And it kind of like became normal where he was like sleeping all day, wasn't really eating and it was like this was like right around when he

was about to make the playoffs. And then I remember my older brother, I think my sision came came to fitting flew him back to l A and then um, you know, he went to the doctor and they basically diagnosed him a pincer at the cancer. When they diagnosed him what it was staged four. You know, it was like two late. They was like basically getting like four or five months to live. And uh, this was at the period of time where I was in the playoffs.

So I'm I'm playing games like I'm at the highest of my highest rookie season, balling like killing like you know, the top of the world like and came nothing else going wrong, and you know, at the same time, you know, for me to be losing my pops in the hospital on him struggling, I remember him watching the games and ship like my brother, they're filming him, I'm on TV and he just just everything, you know, they're just kind

of meant to me. Bro. So it was tough man that it was, you know, still to this day, Yeah, rest in peace to pass. And people don't understand because they think because we're athletes to run in different stage that we're not affected by anything, and it is the furthest from the truth, you know. I mean to try to play with that kind of heavy heart or with you know, the second you're not in action, your your mind is there instantly, you know what I mean. So

it's rest in peace to posts for sure. Man. You know he's looking down and proud of you. We as athletes. People think expect us to be so strong and be able to take all types of stuff. But my father was I didn't have a relationship growing up with my father like you, but I it grew as I got older,

became successful. My father is dead as well. I missed my father, so I can imagine for sure, you know what I'm saying, being able to be raised by him, taught by him right or wrong, and all that, to get to where you want to be because of him, and not be able to enjoy fully with him. I can imagine that, bro, because I didn't grow up. But just the fact that I made it and I was able to share a little bit of success when my father kills me. Now the man I am to date

that I can't share that with him. You know what I mean. Yeah, I think that's the most hurtful, Like you said, just the moments and you just know that what we're doing it for, like our while. You know, you always talk about the wire, like what's your wire? What are you doing for? Is this your mother? Your kids, when your homeboys, you grew up with your granny. You know, it's like everybody got that wire. So within that wire, it's like, that's what I'm doing for. And for me,

that was what I was doing for. You know, it wasn't like he was the only reason, but you know, he installed who I am today. Like without him, I wouldn't be sitting right here hot on that show, just not saying my mom and other people don't play their parts. But you know he takes it. He take a lot of Summer December nineteen ten, the only game winning punt return in NFL history. Talk to us about that playing what's going on the game, blouses. It's just I'm gonna

just say that. I know I got a lot of people to hate me for for that play, man, And uh, you know, for me, man, I was just doing what I was supposed to do. Man, I was doing my job as anybody else would say, ship, I had an opportunity to send the New York Giants home. They punted to me, which I don't know why the hell they would do that anyway, but uh, I mean, yeah, I know that kicked it or that punty that punted to me. Right to that game he got fired. Uh what was

the name coughing whatever? His first they were conflin was create throwing his them. He had Tim Carughing throwing his uh clipboard down, and but I don't know, man, that play was huge. Man, I don't think I didn't think he was gonna pick the ball because she was looking up like I guess she was looking at how everybody. I don't think he was gonna pick the ball up because you let it roll for a minute. I listened, bro, when I when I tell you, I didn't think they

was kicking it and bouncing me. So of course when they kicked it, and I'm thinking he going to kick it out the stadium, there ain't no way it's standing between these white lines. So once I realized it was coming to me, like you said I was, I wasn't spooked, but I was more surprised, like, damn, this ball already coming to me. So in the midst of me dropping the ball, I'm trying to already set up what I'm

doing before I even got this ball. Yeah, as you see, I dropped the ball in like a couple of yards to the ride of me. Now I'm looking up and I'm like, I already knew where the ball has picked it up, and I kind of already had an invision what I'm doing hitting and sticking my foot in the ground going up. Jason Leavant made a killer block, declared the dude he out knocked out. I'm running an end zone like man, I was really, honestly, Bro, I feel like I was on wings, like like party picked me

up and just flew me into the end zone. That's how. But the way the way he looked though when the ball was coming, the way you kept looking up, like he was looking at his path like you do. Just put to run their motherfucker back. Man, That's one of the things when you know, when you know, you know, you know, And that's one of them times, bro on

top of the world. Imagine if he has social media back then, what man, I tell these young all the time, Bro, they made these crazy play and it's like bro, I would have been something. Not to say I ain't big, but I would have been away like crazy more. But if they had that ship when I was coming out of a rookie your college, what like big? Yeah? Man? For sure? Though? Is there art in the punt return? Like it's a certain mind frame you need to be

in ship? Is there an artist shooting a three pointer? Repetition? So how do you get reps at pump returning? We also know we're not gonna get killed from punt return that's a great come back? No, man, for me, it ain't. I mean, it's an art in it, but it ain't like you can get better by repetition. Like how you said there's a three it's one of the things that first of all you knu it's it's like a cat because you're looking in there and got to be a cat. Bro.

Like for me, that's like people ask me like how am I so good? And how am I so quick? And why do I do what I do on the field. It's like I'm not thinking about I don't when I go on the field or when I'm lining up to be receiving. It's a dude, gardener. I don't have no plan in my mind that oh I'm about to do this. I react off of everything. So that's why I like,

if you do something, I'm gonna react off it. So if you think you show me down, that's why I'm an react off and go the other way bro like anything. So it's like me, I al really feel like I play like a cat, Like I'm just got count for everything. You know what I'm saying, like agile and whatever you do, I'm gonna react to it, and I'm gonna beat you, counterpunching everything you're swinging and I'm ducking. That's just my mentality.

I'll take the start. Um. Everybody knows, you know, the Ben Simmons situation with you know, contract negotiations and not reporting and this is and that you had a similar situation like that in two thousand and eleven. Um, speak to that and speak to knowing your worth and believing in yourself. More than anything, I think it's important as a as an athlete. That's as athletes first, how we look at ourselves as a business and how we take our mindset of everything we do when we put into

our body. If it's you know, like nutrition, you know, uh, studying longer taking care of your body. The stop like whatever it is you invest into your body is what

you're gonna get out of it. And I think sometimes us being athletes, people were just assumed we just all these and an a list, and these people sit back and you know, critique us for who we are, Like they don't really understand we have to invest in ourselves just as well as like the teams, the gms, the owners, they're gonna do what's best for them as a as an owner. When it's time to give a person money or to cut the person, they don't think about that.

But the minute we want to take care of ourselves and put ourselves first, we're in trouble or we we asked whole or oh he's not a bad team, you know what I'm saying. But it's like, we're just doing what's best for us. So for me at that point in time, I'm like, y'a've been promising me a contract and y'all haven't rewarded me with my contract, So why am I going to continuually put my body on the line risk getting hurt injured. I go to practice and I tear anything, and it's like, now my contract is

I'm not worthy of my contract. So for me, I feel like as athletes, when we stand up what was right for us, we we looked at as the bad guy. We're labeled as a as a cancer. You get what I'm saying. But at the end of the day, you're just you're looking off for the best in yourself. Now, I'm not saying if you already rewarded with the contract and you post a show, it's different, you know, like

certain situations Ben Simmons, certain situations is different. But when you're due for something that you didn't put that working and you have been rewarded for it, you gotta you gotta right to stand up for what you deserve. Fact two thousand twelve. Uh then the franchise, franchise, tagg and you resigned a five year contract, uh north to fifty

million dollars. How did that make you feel? Well? Well, when I got franchise, that was almost like they just did that one kind of year, just get them back in the Yeah, like we we're gonna get you, because I think that that was one year for ten million, which in reality the five years I will still end up getting the timber and something like all right, I'm gonna come in there, but in my mind, I'm I know, like, I'm not gonna play on this one year, ten million

dollar deal because if I get hurt, then it's still like I don't have no solidity. I'm not solidifying in my future for the next three years. It's not guaranteed, like you know what I'm saying. So for me, it was just like one of the things where they was like, all right, just sign it and come in and let's try to work out a deal. So basically I kind of knew that, so I signed the franchise and then, like I want to say, like a few weeks later,

we end up getting the deal done. So it was kind of like, you know, I pat you on my bag, you pat me on mine, like we're gonna get this deal, and I took the word and it actually worked out. But for me it felt good because I find a

guy what I was deserving of. And for me at that time, I remember they used to promise me like my second third year, they was promising to day was gonna redo my contract because back then Philly was known for getting their players that early and locking them up, like giving them some money earlier and locking them up for later in their career. So for me, I was like, man, it was rewarding, bro, And it was like, you know

all the work I was putting into it. It made me feel good two fourteen statistically, Uh, your best season, your third Pro Bowl selection? Uh? And then you released after everything you would have been through with that team. What was that experience? Like, ah, yeah, he coaching the ul A right now. You know what's how about? It was? It was personal, man, for me coming off my best statistic year, I mean with eighty three catches over thirte yards,

nine touchdown. Like you you're releasing the dude after him being a Pro Bowl receiver, Like what are you doing? Like in my mind, I'm like, what's going on? And what kind of with mind? Bothering to me was the allegations and the stories they dug up and made up that It was like that was the reason why they released me. Oh he's a game and where he hangs out with does criminals he's doing you know what I'm saying. I'm like, Bro, I have no felons, I have no

no record, I ain't never been the jail. Like you're saying, you're mad at me because I grew up where I grew up and hang out who I hang out with,

so it's for me. It was kind of like a staff of my back bro And it was like everything I did for y'all and coming off my best years, like y'all just come like if y'all didn't want to pay me, just tell me you don't want to pay, but to try to tarnish my name and who I am like, and then you got other teams looking, damn, do we want to take a risk of him doing like is there something that's gonna come out like he had to come out here going to jail, you know what I'm saying. It was just like it was a

situation for me and I took that personal. That's why I did go to to Washington. Every time I played the Eagles, I made him regret that decision. Let's I mean, I want to touch on that a little bit because obviously he is the head coach we're talking about. Chip Kelly is the head coach U c l A. And there was a lot of racial allegations um swarming around the way he moved and and perceived m A handful

of you guys, some of the better players on the team. Uh, you know, can you speak to that a little bit. When he first came in, it was like, you you you you're doing something that professional athletes shouldn't have to, you know, go through. Like when you when you first the head coach you come in, that's like coming in telling your starter, you playing bed stag whoever y'all starting five is. And you got a new head coach to come in and say, from the get go, none of

y'all starters. Are you telling me pro bowlers or All Star player, tinton whatever, Michael Vig, Sean Coin me all the start, like no one was the starter. He basically said, everybody gotta earn their spots. We're looking at this dude like, bro, you know what he's talked to Like, Bro, we pro bothers. We hey way more than you like you talking about

we all basically don't start. So we like from that gig go, it was like and she came in and was trying to do like we really felt like we as college players, like we really felt like he was trying to control us on some college and it was like, Bro, we've been through that phase already. Bro, we professional athletes, and we know what it takes to get it done at the high level. We've been doing this ship, So

for me, that ship was kind of personal. Bro, just everything he tried to come doing, you know, like you said, like you letting go of players, this legitimi the best of the best me McCoy, Michael Vicks. Like, Bro, if you would have kept that team and the other Bro, that team could have, especially Bro, we could have legitimately

won the Super Bro. And it was like he broke that team up and brought people in that he wanted to bring in and probably was going yes man him or listen to every command he wanted, and it was like us, we really we really felt like we didn't have to do that because we already gained our respect and we were who we were. Is he well in the Urban was he doing? Was he Urban Meyer before Urban Mind? Were Urbans doing in Jacksonville? Kind of trying

to bring that college. It ain't gonna work, Bro, Yeah, I mean that, don't get me wrong, his offensive scheme because we're bought like we had Like I said, I had my best as statistics from the offensive side of it. But it's the outside. Yeah, it's like the day to day like he wanted us to put a heart money on going to sleep and see how many others people slept. Professional athlete, Like, we're not college, bro. He asked people

to pay in the cup to see how hydrated you is. Like, Bro, if you can't come in and performing the best of your ability and you know you're a professional athlene you getting paid all this money? What are we doing? Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it's like he almost had like people on the least, but it's like, you can't implement that in the professional level. But it's the same thing they're saying about urban mind. That's not gonna work. The same thing. It ain't gonna work, Bros. It's hard

to do. You gotta like the Andy Reid's the bill better ships, like the coaches that the mar respect, but give respect and understand you got a player mentality relationship. Like if you can't go howle at your head coach? Like you feel like you can't talk to your head coach. How are you gonna put put yourself on the line when it's in the game and you gotta go on one? How are you gonna put yourself on the line for your coach? You feel like you came do the same

for you, you know what I'm saying. So that's just the mentality that I feel like it was went wrong with him. What was it like working with Michael Vick? You got that a special connection man, Michael Vick. I feel like it's one of the best players I didn't

ever play with, but we we had. We had the most of the most Like if if I look back and you know, do all the statistics, like we me and him had some of the biggest plays, like legitimate, so many players we could pull up and look man, and for me, like growing up, he was an eyder than me, you know, on the first Black quarterbacks taking first round everything he went through, Um, you know it's one of his cousins. Boys he grew up with end up snitching on him. He's trying to take care of everybody.

Had a hunt of dudes rolling with him, taking care of everybody lifestyles. Like I learned so much from you know what I'm saying, Just from me being younger looking up to him and being able to have a chance to really sit in the same rooms and have like a big bro little bowl relationship like and when we first met, he was like man, I see a lot

a lot of you and me. And it was when he told me that ship kind of fuck me up because I'm like, damn, Like while you said that, he was like, you know, I just see all your boys, you're taking you doing this, you're doing that. Like I was the same way, but he was like, you need to cut that because if it really comes down to it, I ain't gonna have your back, you know what I'm saying. If it comes a situation where issuing them, they're gonna

choose them, you know. And it was like he really learned like betrilled, like people really stabbing on his back for people he took care of, you know what I'm saying. So he kind of like taught me that early. So for me, I was able to see like, you know, let me start cutting back, let me stop doing You get what I'm saying, Because everybody loves you when you're on top and you're hand the money and you shopping and you're taking spreeze. You know what I'm saying, Like,

everybody love you. But the minute you don't do something for somebody, how they feel about you, so you say, now are gone? Anyway, I hope he get hurt. I hope he getting cut. You know what I'm saying, just a little ship like that. But on the field, I mean one of the best deep balls. I mean, you've got a nice deep ball through right now. Uh in Stafford. But like I said, you and Mike's deep ball connection

was under the level, Mike, Mike Vick. Ye as far as now, Like you know, I'm intrigued to see how it's gonna work out with me and matth staff Matthew Stafford, but right now you're to date, Mike Vicks has been the best quarterback I played with it just as far as the deep ball, the home I'm balled through the deep passes like his arm was effortless. Looks just slinging. He used to be like this and throw eighty yards. How can man doing that and throw the ball like

you ain't even doing that. He's doing it like how you throw the ball at eighty yards just flicking the rist Mark's ninth my birthday, by the way, two thousand and seventeen, you pick yourself up a nice three year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh. What was it like being out there in Tampa? You had a young Mike william Or. Uh Mike Evans, right, yeah, tample weapons. Yeah,

Tampa was a It was a cool vibe. Man. It was actually my first time I think I was just turning thirty thirty one over whatever it was, and it was like my first time my career where I could go playing some good weather. I'm like, I'm used to being in the code. He's oh phity Washington. It was like I had a chance to go to Florida. So when I first went to Florida, I got out there and Temple was hot. I ain't you you know, I'm

a category. I ain't used to that. Tampa. When I went out there hunting ten degrees, hunting, uh, present humidity, I'm like, bro, this is gonna be brute. I remember the first year. I remember the first game I'm playing in the game, Like if I knew it was gonna be this, I probably went to sign. But I'm about there. I never had a heat strug brother first game and I'm about to die. But now it was cool man, it was good aws. Uh you know Jamis Wilson was there.

Like you said, we had Chris Godwin, Uh, Mike, Mike Evans, you know the team with the team was five. We we really didn't had too many. We had good players, but we didn't play that good. You know, two years went five with five and eleven. So we never really end up. You know, Jamis kind of struggle a little bit. Me and him really really never connected like that, And uh,

that's kind of the most of that story. It was, so you head back, uh to Philly where you were sucked in with that situation getting there or what was your your approach heading back to Philly. So heading back to Philly in twenty nineteen, it was honestly at this point, chip Kelly was gone. They had brought an old coach back when I was used to be with Andy reid

Um Doug Peterson was the head coach. So I had like a good relationship with Doug Peterson, so I could remember when I was in when I was in Washington, it was like they was trying to figure out a ways to get me back, like literally like four or five years and they was trying to get me back because I was killing them so bad, like every time I played, and we gotta fire away to get back, like chip Kelly gone, Like let's figure out a way

to get him back. So I was in the talks, you know, not not a lot of people suposting to it, but yeah, you know we talked here and there. You know how ideas when a team wants you and you know they ain't posed behind that, they like, we're gonna figure out the way to get your ads back. So it's just one of the things. But the reunion was actually it was good. It was good because you know, I felt like I really should have never left in the first place, and it was like the person that

really made the decision, it wasn't there no more. And even though the GM was there and certain people was there, like when Chip Kelly was here, they literally gave him the key to everything, like he was like the general manager. He was bringing players in, like it was everything that was him. So I kind of really didn't feel that much of a weight towards the owner in the GM.

But you know, they all ended together. You know, at the end of the day, they first game back, you break a record, uh to get you into I think second place, Uh ship you surpassed Randy Moss. I mean, that's the hell of his name. First and force, when you hear yourself knowing where you come from, what you've been through the journey you've been on. When you start passing people like Randy Moss and lessons of the game

like that, what does that mean to you? I mean, honestly, man, in the midst of it, you know, you feel good about it, but it's still like I ain't done, because you know what I'm saying. It's like I I still know I got a lot left in the tank, and I feel like I'm continuously still putting on, man. And it's like as much as I feel like I've arrived or I've accomplished something, like I ain't done yet, bro.

So I'm still I'm not really content with that because I know I still want to push that that that bar I want to push that you ain't You ain't sat back and just thought about really, I mean moments he was here and there to hit me like I see something like damn. You know, But when you're in the midst of it, bro, you really really yeah, you don't really get too much caught up in it. Because if I sit back and get too much caught up

in it, it's gonna take me off my ground. I don't want to get off like I'm still on the needle. Uh first touchdown with the Rams, you're tied for the most uh seventy five plush yard touched. That's sucking crazy to say. If y'ard touched out, you tie the record the most, Like what's that like for you? That that one right there was special And the reason the reason why I said that one special because it happened back home, you know what I'm saying. That's that's where I started

playing that, you know. So for me to come back home like literally was so far Stadi was built, was where I played part wanta ball. That ground up, that soil, all that dirt right there is where I used to play ball. That being a little hard hitted, snotty nose boy like I was in the backyards playing over there, bro So for me to come back and score my setting with ninth, serdeni fire, like you said that that number is. I didn't ever really know about that stat

that one kind of caught me yard. I knew about the fifty yard or the sifty yarder, but when they said serdny fire, that might be hard for anybody to be right there because the last person that had I think it was like one or something crazy, you know, what I'm saying. So gotta say, Man, I'm still in the midst of I can't. I can't get content. Bro. Maybe one day we'll sit back and you know, do what we do and talk about it. But as right now, Uh,

toughest defenses to come to mind. A couple of defensive come to mind over throughout your thirteen plus your career. Mm hmm. I would probably have to say I had to go back to the early days, like my my rookie year, I would probably say, like the Pitchburgh Steelers, Troy Polama, who, uh, Joey Porter, Uh, what's the what's the big Harrison Harrison? Yeah, James James Harrison still bench pressed the house. Um, yeah, that that defense was crazy.

Casey Hayward, Oh, I can't forget about air reading and Ray Lewis. It was called Boston Moore was called back then too. It was something. It was something about the AFC back then towns and yeah, towns and they they had according to I can't remember his name, but yeah, they they were them two defenses was called back off the field. Uh, you're part of the Tupac all Eyes on Me project with our man Lt. Hut. I saw the cameo. I didn't know that, yeah, but you behind

the scenes. But our man LT talked to us how that came about, and uh some some of the other business stuff you interested in off the field shit. So I mean the LT situation obviously, you know LT. Just the relationship with you know, Snooping. You know, since I've been a young kid back and going to high school college, you know, I used to always just be around him,

hanging out with him. So, you know, me and LT kind of, you know, just genuinely, you know, built the relationship where I knew he was in the music industry. You know, I was dealing with some music stuff. You know, I got a record label. He was kind of helping me on and you know, LT us always be like, you know, I know you love his music ship, but he was like, this movie stuff is where you need to put your money. And He's like, I could guarantee

you get your money back on the movie. He said, the music, I can't guarantee you come back your money back on the music, but he said this movie I could. I could guarantee that. So you know, we came together and uh, you know, I invested in the Tupac film and uh, you know, he had the company called The Program Pictures where you know, he had like a lot of projects, you know that he was working on. But yeah,

the Tupact. You know, growing up, I'm a dollhard. Tupac is one of my favorite he don't know what any of course, you know, Tupac is one of my favorites. You know, getting through when I was young and just hearing gunshots and just living in the hood, like I should throw Tupac on it. He would help, you know, relieve like certain situations I went through. So that to being able to have a piece in that Tupac movie,

that's like, that's a legendary for me. That's like one of my goals, like you say, a pet p or something you on your bucket list that you gotta have before you die, Like that's one of the things. To being connected with something that had to do with Tupac being a producer in this movie. That's bigger than having a party and yeah, now you're right, And then for that to be saying like yeah, that was that was

crazy would even be a part of right. You know that you have a weekly podcast, Fade the booth Um, talk to us about that you got to cut, you put a couple of episodes out, You've got something the bank. What were trying to get across with that? So so fade the booth man. Um, So I got hurt, I wannestly. I got hurt about like the two thousand nineteen and I had like a growing injury surgery and I was off for the season. So I'm sitting back, I'm like, man,

you're twelve. I'm like, man, I can't play football forever, Like, let me figure out something knocking, you know, do where it's like fun and it ain't hard for me, you know what I'm saying. So I'm sitting back thinking, I'm like, you know, my brother always had a camera in my face that had documentaries. He still shoots out now. But uh, I'm like, man, I was always, you know, in front of a camera. It's like this ship is easy to me. Bro.

So I'm like, let me, you know, bring people and there y'all to y'all inspired it, you know, getting a kid willow like you know, seeing young brothers kind of doing their thing. And I'm sitting back like, you know, let me, let me get into the podcast industry. And for me, I just really wanted to open up and you know, give you know, my platform and you know my viewers just the inside to me, you know, and

not only me, but you know my guest. You know, I had a little Wayne come on had uh you know, Mark, Shawn Lynch, Michael Vick, Michael Rubin, just give him a different perspective, you know, Like I had an owner on here, like a billionaire owner, just talking about like lifestyle things like what made him who he was at early because he was twenty years old, thirteen years old, had a

billionaire mentality. You know, people invested in them, you know, him taking out money like things that me, being twelve years old, I wouldn' thought about, like how his mind was programed. Like So it's just for me just opening up and talking about situations that people can sit back and know that like we all might be celebrities, we all might be who we are, but we still went through ship that it was that defining point in our life.

Like you know, so for me to fade the booth is really just letting people know it's possible to make it. Like everybody that's successful, we go through something and I know a lot of people be sitting back at home, Like, oh, I tried this and it didn't work, So let me give up? No, like, keep going, like, figure out what it is you want to do. So for me, I love inspired, man. So Faith the Booth is really just inspired. Man.

Where can they find that? So Faith the Booth you can find on I g then you know it's on you know, YouTube, Spotify, it tunes, you know the whole time. Shout check man. I love for y'all to come on mind to you know, we gotta cross promoted man. Fatherhood. You got two little guys. How important is that to you? Man? Fatherhood? Man, It's huge to me. I'll look at fatherhood as you know, what do I want my kids to hear about me when they when they grow up and they become older.

You know, what are people gonna say about their dad? You know? And for me, I'm gonna stand up. Dude. I'm a respectful dude. You know, I'm a hard working dude, and uh, you know, I just want them to know that, you know, they pops as a real one, you know, and they got something to look up to. But then then my kids gonna be real is they might not grow up and live. I live, but I'm install that and and have them understanding like you know, you gotta get you gotta work for what you want on here,

you know. So I think me and a father for me kind of you know. Let me know, it's not all about myself. You know when you before you have kids, you put yourself first. And it's like, now that I have kids, I'm not first anymore, my kids, but first, you know. So that's all I look at it. Quick hitters, final stretch, first thing to come to mind. Let us know. Top five receivers are all time, Top five receivers all time. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Jerry Rice, uh

Randy Moss, Michael Irving, Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson. Who's I'm up there? I ain't put me in there, but I'm up. The Top three artists, Our songs on rotation on Game Day. Top three artists, Our songs. I got Um, I got Nipsey for show, Nipsey hustle on there, um Tupac our lives on me. Third one probably would be I like the young jeezy, But when I knew, I was thinking about just say geez, why jeez, Yeah, you're the old

man one. Yeah to be on there for sure. If you can go back and relive one moment in your career high school, college, NFL up to this point, where would it be, man, high school? Bro? I would probably say if I could rewind time, and I would want to go back to my high school days. Man. I used to really have so much fun in high school, being being like a junior senior, having all them scholarships offers, being a dude. You know, back then, I had a car, like you know we used to just you ain't had

no I ain't got no bills and mars. Give me a little money here and there. I'm going hanging with the homes. We're hanging out, hanging with ain't no telling wore doing? Man, I used to have fun. But I think about now thirty fun Like damn, we're all the time ago. But it's like, if you could relive it like high school, if I like some good moments from the top Top three favorite NBA players to watch Top three? Uh,

number one, I'm wrong, Na, he don't know. You know, you know I argue with a lot of these dudes on this Kobe Bryant thing, man, because I feel like I don't get me wrong, Lebron is freaking nation like he's really one on one, but he don't. He don't got that killer instinct. I say the same thing, he don't got that dog, And I'm like, it's it's times where you know, took over. He did his thing, but

he got dog. Just ain't the Kobe dog. A lot of times he passing the ball, Like I don't want if you're the dog, you know, man, two or three minutes, I don't want to see you passing. You're taking over. It's just for me, y'all. You know, I know Kobe gonna take over. He might shoot them up a hunt of times. But but yeah, so Kobe um Ai Chuck and uh my third man, my third probably be uh. I like, damn man, Yeah, five dinner guests dead, are alive,

Five dinner guests chopping it about life. Hmmm. I would have liked to do pack shit Kobe, Uh, I say, Eli Muss Beyonce and probably the last one I'd probably go with h m hmm. Man, I'm talking last seat, last seat. Who can I say the comedian that you might want to laugh a little bit, said they Chappelle. He on the hot seat right now. It ain't even to be honest, it ain't even hot. Mother's who had something to say. I wish you motherfucking would right the

ground love it. Last question the goat. Okay, the last question is remember your answer. You gotta help us get your answer on the show. Right. Who do you want to see on All the Smoke? Mm hmm. He's gonna that's easy. But he's gonna do that without it. That's easy. Ship Bron. So. I just ran into bron last night at Westbrooks. They had the premiere last that I've seen Broun. I said, Bro, it's time in season three. He's like, I'm ready, I'm ready. I think everybody can do It's

a good thing about it though. It's a lot of podcasting, a lot of shows. But everybody waiting for him to sit on that couch, no question. You know what I'm saying. They waiting for him do it. Y'all could do it? Come on, man, come on, can do it? Wait on? Well man. That's a rap for Sean Jackson. Last name, m l A's Finest You cast us on Showtime, Basketball, YouTube and the Heart Platform Black Effects. See y'all next week.

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