Chris Bosh | Ep 57 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

bro um Man. Hey, it's all it's always hoodie weather, hoodie weather out there, so I like it. I mean, it's it's getting cold. It started to get cold in the East Atlanta. We get it. We get a little bit of every season, but you know, when you get into the cold in l A, y'all start to panic. One thing about Atlanta, Bro, they don't give a fuck about masks. U y'a don't get nothing, no kind of regulation, no nothing. Y'all just out there ripping and running like

the pandemic don't exist. Uh, this is wa condo that this is for real. Wakndom Man, Thanks, hey man. We got a special guest. Man two time, nbah Chimp. Chris Bosh is in the building today. Chris, how you doing man, Thanks for your Timeue Man, good to see you, guys Man, Texas boy, Texas boy. Yeah. Yeah. First and the foremost, how's the family doing? We were talking before we started, how homeschool is kicking your ass? I was telling you what I did with my homeschool. But how how are

you in the family doing right now? Everybody is good man. You know, um, I didn't think I was gonna have to do the third in the first grade again. But the work is, the work is harder and different. They break down problems different. Now everything is different. Yeah, I look at it. You know, my kids go to private school, and I look at their problems and the way they do stuff. I said, yeah, we didn't do that, you know. And you know, my favorite, my favorite classes, back to lunch,

you know what I mean. Now, I told you I had to hire up the fifth grade math kick my ass at the end of last school year. So I heard my kids like a full time teacher that's in the house, at my house and at their mom's house. Like so when they're doing their zoom work with their theirs two school teacher. They got another teacher right there. I'm like, don't even bother me at that no more. Man, I got yelling on your own with that, but that that school work is just different, man, it is man,

it is. Man. Teachers, God bless you all. Miss you, to miss you. Man. I love my teachers before all this madness started, you know what I'm saying. So, you know, I hope we figured this out, man, because this is crazy fact politics, social justice, pandemic. We're you know, a new president elect. The kind of seems like the world is somewhat in shambles right now. What is your outlooking? What have you been thinking of later? Just about between

all that, what's been going on? Man? You know, I guess the overall general thing I've really been thinking about first, starting with the pandemic, um was just kind of falling back in the family, um back into really learning how to be on top of each other and exists. You know, I got five kids, and um, you know, a big house can seem very small. It seems like it's not much space, you know, And we had to learn how to respect each other's space, you know, we had to.

I took a lot of the time to kind of do the small stuff, like, uh, teaching the kids, you know, how to sit at the table um, you know, because usually when you're ripping and running, you don't get to that. I'm to that part in parents parenting where you know, you can get mad at the kid, but it's like, oh damn, I gotta teach you that. What what what's the age range of your kids? I got a twelve year old, I got a seven year old, I got an eight year old, and to four year olds to

four year old. You got twins, that's right, Yeah, yeah, I got twins, so it is the range is big. My twins just turned twelve. So I just had thirteen, eleven and twelve year olds over here for forty eight hours straight out. Almost died when they even sent the twins back to their mom half of the earlier, like you gotta take I can't do kids no more. I need to break man. But it's a it's a beautiful thing, hey man. That is all. That's a part of it, man, And that's that's kind of the part that I love.

It is just you know, because growing up, I went to a lot of summer camps. I went to a lot of a lot of times over my grandma's house with six cousins in there once, or my uncle's house. So you know, I'm used to that dynamic. It's just it's funny. I'm just changing roles and just kind of being more more a parent um and you know, with the election and all that stuff. Man, it's just chaos really, to be honest, I just want I just want things to be in a position where people are talking. You know,

it's kind of it's kind of weird. Anybody you talk to is mad and pissed and and something needs to be done, and there's some kind of conspiracy, you know what I mean. I think it would be healthy for the nation to kind of, you know, at least get some kind of dialogue because there's none at all. You know. You can watch your channel and you can follow, you follow on social and that's it, you know. I agree. I think the only way to move forward is conversation,

the hard conversations. You know, they need to on both sides. But I completely agree that. How do you feel the the NBA did one with the bubble, but continuing to keep their message their social message, excuse me, social justice message alive during the during the bubble plag I think

that was that was very important, very interesting. I mean, um, it obviously takes endurance, um to uh to keep a message going, and they did that every day, um, you know, allowing the players uh to you know, choose from the pool of social justice acts and put it on their jerseys things like that, having the Black Lives Matter on

the court, Um, that was huge. And I mean, you know, even one of I mean most importantly sticking by what the message should be and supporting the players, and I mean especially um, you know, with it affecting the players, you know, with Sterling Brown having, um, having a situation he had, um, you know, prior to all this stuff. So I was just happy to see the guys continue to do that because it's not easy. And at the

same time, you're in that bubble. You can't go anywhere you're used to going, you know, packing up your bags and going somewhere every week, and and then they were just stationary and still having, you know, to play at the same time try to perpetuate this message while chaos is going outside. So you know, I mean it's not easy. And then you know, you guys know how it is, you'll be in there and and everybody will be like, ah, well you paid, you find you're an athlete, You're okay,

Like you know, your mental health isn't important. So I really commend those guys for for doing what they did. They did a wonderful job. And and you know, the message will continue. Seeing Lebron in your seventeen someone you came in the league with, someone who was a friend of yours. You got a chance to play, win some rings with. What are your thoughts on just his How do you say, who who has been in their prime

for seventeen years? No one, No one comes to mind. Yeah, I know, I know, man, You know, we all have our dreams and how things are gonna go and how your career is gonna be played out. And I mean to actually watch him do it, I think one we're not going to appreciate it until until he's done playing. UM And it's gonna be a dangerous new norm for any other player who wants to be the goat you're

at least gonna have. You're gonna have to have eighteen years of prime, Like come on, man, like, come on, bro, I mean even looking at my um, you know, my career, great career, you know, very long. But as far as like playoffs are concerned, you know, I didn't only went to the playoffs two times before going to Miami, you know, and then we had the four year stretch and that was it. That was all the playoff games I played.

He's consistently played in the playoffs, not just oh yeah, you know, take your lumps and go home and have a five month summer like that happened once. He only missed the playoffs one time or twice with the Lakers as well. But I mean just just being able to play and being able to hoop at a high level for so long and still getting it done. I mean, it's amazing doing the the NBA Bubba basketball. He was able to see your former team that he played against,

your former teammate Lebron. I know you had I know you had mixed emotions. What was that like? It was tough man, to be honest with you, um, because I know how much I know how hard it is. You know, you guys know how hard it is to get there. And I'm talking about winning, you know, just getting there and the toll that it takes, the focus that it takes,

and you know, I have friends on both sides. You know, in both the front office, um, you know in Miami, n l A, the coaching staff, the players, um, the gms. You know, you build these relationships with everybody. I mean it's tough to watch you You definitely always want to see your guys compete. But the toughest part was kind of watching the heat deal with injuries, seeing my man go around tragic, finally get there and not be able to play. Man that you know, they kind of broke

my heart. Man, he was playing well too. People don't People don't realize he was leading the team and scoring. He was an avident almost twenty one points a game. He was as a big piece for sure, man. And I mean not to say they win, but it would definitely be definitely be a different series. You know if he plays, and you know, just to be able to play in the finals, Uh, I don't care where they're playing. If it's the finals and it's the NBA, that's a dream come true to to you know, for him not

to have that full experience, that was tough. But you know, with that said, they still went out there and and and fought. Um, I know what the message was definitely on both sides, but specifically with the heat. I know a lot of a lot of people were writing them off and kind of really not paying much attention to him. But you know, when you get there, you don't get there just to lose. You don't get there to say, well, hey,

good season. I knew for sure they were gonna prepare, they were gonna fight, you know until the last man standing, um, and you're gonna you were gonna have to beat those guys. And it happened. But you know, pain is pain. Um. I know they'll be able to get over it, um and it'll make them a better team. And you know, to the Lakers, man, you know, one down, let's see, uh, let's see if they could keep it going. Yeah. Absolutely, There's a lot of talk about who's coming and going there.

So it'll be interesting to see next season. Texas raised you uh leak in high school? Uh decided to go to Georgia Tech. You or a one and done there the number four kick? So what was it? What was it like going from Texas to Toronto? You know anything about it? I knew nothing about it. All I knew is that they played at the Air Canada Center. Um, they had played in the the Dome before. That's all I knew in the Blue Jays played there, you know, Joe Carter knocked one back in ninety two. You know,

that's all I really knew. Everything else, you know, I knew nothing about the city. I worked out for him, and it was just, you know, it was a different experience. I mean, one one of the things I didn't anticipate was, you know, being different was how like little things you'll go buy a speed signing, it'll be kilometers per hour, or the McDonald's will taste just a little different, you know, And what was it? What was the McDonald's coming to America?

What was that ship called McDonald Yeah, but just a culture shock. It's a different place. And and it's cold. You know, it's cold. Man. I thought I thought I saw snow. I hadn't seen any snow. I thought I was cold when I got there. Um, that's that I had to you had to get used to it. And at the same time, you know, the league league was a little different than man, it was. It wasn't as young um as it is today. I mean, you you

you go directly, I'm a nineteen year old. You go directly to a team with grown ass men, you know, with kids and you know, part time jobs and ship. You know, you can't you you can't. You can't be getting that Texas though. You know I went to Linkol too, but Dallas Lincoln and put off the Lincoln. You can't play high school basketball and not know about Dallas Lincoln and put the link talk about that Texas, that Texas, man. You know, that's one of the that's one of the

things my dad he misses most. He misses going to the games. You get him talking about basketball. He always goes back to high school basketball every single time, you know, and in room only. Yeah. Man, just just just wanted to be able to have a good team and then you know the whole hoods, you know, giving you support

and showing up. Um. I've been talking with a lot of my old friends and you know we were we were just saying like, damn, that was like to me, to us far our generation, we feel like, man, that was that was that felt like that was you know, a good year in South Dallas. Nothing happened, you know what I mean, Everything was all good, people celebrating. The news cameras was there. Everybody was having fun. You know. Overall I mean it was just my My experience was great.

I think, um, I think we played par we played Jefferson, and we played Lincoln. Yeah, yeah, yeah that we always you know because you yeah, you hear everything about p A. I thought it was fascinating. I'm like, oh ship they linked to the Oh damn you got played him one day. I mean, and you know, it being a powerhouse and you know, we always knew, uh, you know about the best players in the UH, in the country and in

the state. Rochard Lewis, you guys pretty much where kind of like the barometer of what's possible because you guys went first and it's like okay, damn LJ going like okay, a damn we can you know, more people can get in and and and once it got competitive, you know, I mean Texas has athletes. You know, once you put guys on the court and get get those uh, get

those folks to working hard. Man is you know, sky's the limit and you know our our round was magically we got to go down state because yeah, from from six to like two thousand and two, around the time you graduated, you wasn't going to Austin to the state championship. And either Datas Lincoln or Port Arthur Lincoln was there. One of our schools was that every year represented state championship four A, five A. And people don't know how

big that is in Texas. You know what I'm saying, That basket football is big in Texas, But that state championship high school basketball where you get to see one A, two eight three five A top school all day, That's that's a great experience. Bro, Yeah man all day and um one of my favorite teams that we got to watch. I thought they were unbelievable. I don't know if you got to see uh t J. Ford and Daniel you and they're singing yet willow Rich. Willow Rich is always

good to know that yeah team. And I mean they not that they was messing with the game, but you could tell they had to toe we're not gonna lose. They could be down five with two seconds left, they still believe they're gonna win. You know, two thousand three, I wont INBA championship, but you got drafted in two thousand three. Draft class was unbelievable. Let's talk about the draft class, man, the old draft class. You know, it's

funny like me Brian and Mellow. Um we had probably been playing playing against each other, slashed together in that AUTH circuit for two years up until that point, you know. Um. I met Mellow for the first time in Colorado Springs in two thousands and two, right before college, and uh we played on the USA national team I had always heard about. No, no, no, let me take that back.

Met him and the McDonald's All American game. Before that, I met bron Um in ABC D camp and in two thousand and one, yeah, in two thousand one, summer two thousand one. So like, you know, having those experiences as kids and then getting to accomplish your dream and seeing the same dudes next to you that was you know, crazy.

And then with Dwayne, we had the same agents. So we're both kids and you know, we're we I think it was I met Dwayne in pre draft and so you know, sitting down meeting him, this is like the agency team, you know how it is, and they pooled us all together and it's like, all right, you guys are friends now. You know. I had only seen him

play on TV and all that stuff. So really, and I mean even with t J too, because t J was in there too, I mean watching him playing high school and um, you know, meeting a couple of times, just passing by, you know, playing ball. It's it was. It was crazy, man. I mean, we knew, we knew, we wanted to do special things and stuff. Of course, looking looking, you know, back on things now, we know how the story went. But at that time, it was just cool that you had people that you knew and

were familiar with along the journey, which he saw. It didn't make it too too weird or too too tough, you know, because it was. It was tough enough. Arguably one of the, if not the you know, shoot, top two or three classes of all time. Considering everything you know that you four accomplished in your careers, and you look at Kobe's draft class and somewhat you know some of us all it might throw in another drift class or two, but your guys drift classes definitely uh up

there at the top. You spoke on your experience being a rookie with grown mass man kind of thrown in the fire. You got a chance to play with Vince Carter for one year there. Uh you know, I remember first seeing him there and he was just he took the world by storm, you know, wouldn't be in sanity half man, half amazing, you know, kind of hit hit Toronto and put them on the map. How was it your one year playing with BC. It was tough. It was tough, but he did an awesome job, you know,

looking back on it. He was only like twenty five years old, you know. And he took me under his wing. He um. You know, he take me out to eat on the road. He even came over, you know, with dinner with me and my parents. You know that my parents and stuff, and um, you know, he showed me, um, you know things. He took me under his wing, you know. And uh, I don't. I'm not sure if people knew my capability coming into the league. You know, I had supreme confidence in myself, so I knew I could help

the team right away. I knew that he wanted to win, um, and so did I. So I wanted. I always wanted to be that rookie that showed up in the game, you know what I mean, because it was so much pressure and he was so good. I mean a lot of people don't know how much talent he possessed. God, I trying to tell people. Man, one of the most physically gifted and skilled people I've ever seen in my

whole entire life. Yeah, he was incredible. So just just to be able to see that and just I mean just to see the insanity factor to be at All Star with this dude and just watch him just walking people reacting to him, and it was it was amazing, you know, even you know, a couple of parties, even couple of parties, just a couple, just a couple. We didn't have a game the next day, you know what I'm saying, But he took me, did a great job, and just just like really just being around him, man,

he was. He was awesome. That he one thing that I used to love bro to me. I was just like, Yo, this dude is crazy, but I respected it was when you used to do like your pitch to become an NBA All Star. I mean all that. Now you're in the loving time All Star, but you really used to do your little pictures and act. And where did that ship come from? Because that ship used to have me

wrote you know what it was brother, not boredom. I don't want to say boredom, but to be honest, the only reason I had that idea times weren't like they are now. Um, the voting system for All Star was just a little different. So if you played, which is still the same now, but if you played in a certain area, you're more likely to get votes, right. Um. And I always at the time, I thought that Toronto was gonna be able. I thought everybody was given Toronto

a tough time, you know. And then I remember looking, I'm trying to be an All Star that year, and I'm looking at the numbers, and I mean KG and Brian there, their voting numbers are just it's another level of Superstartum, you know what I'm saying. And all I only did that just to kind of bring the votes up and make it a little closer because it was

embarrassing being way and third way and third bro. But like I always, like I always mess with the camera, always did videos and stuff, and you know, just my brother and my friends, we'd always make each other laugh and do do my crazy crazy stuff. But you know, funny ship and you know, really just have a good time man. And and really, I mean another huge influence on me was like me and my dad and my brother,

we would watch and Living Color every Sunday night. We're watching Living Color, and we watched The Star Trek the Next Generation and then the old School Start Track with with William Shatner, you know what I mean, and Richard Nimore and we would we would sit there and our favorite, of course, I was watching and Living Color and watching those dudes. I mean that was kind of like the early influence. Yeah, and so I always love that stuff, you know, and that was pretty much just like my

imitation of it. Keenan every Waynes doesn't get enough love for all the people we had were lucky enough to have Jimmy Foxxon and we discussed, I mean how pivotal Keenan and every Waynes was to a whole nineties movement. Yeah, they should talk more about that. Um, I mean, he gets no love, like none at all. And I mean just really did Wayan's family as an empire Maybe they

wanted like that. I don't know, you know, but they should definitely get more credit, just yeah, for for everything or most of the stuff we saw visually in the nineties. They definitely need to get a lot of credit for that. Man, absolutely, you yep, you battle against some of the best force to ever play in the game during your time. Dirk

Tim Duncan, Rashid, Chris Webber. I know, I know it was some nice when you couldn't sleep before and after games, talk about talk about battling with those guys man, my yeah, I mean that was the thing that inspired to be. You know, all those guys you name KG, you know,

they they pretty much set the tone. And I mean especially out west, you might, I mean you might go Dallas, Sacramento, Minnesota, you know, and and um, if you didn't bring it on any particular night at that position, or if you couldn't guard, or if you couldn't score, you know, you're probably gonna get embarrassed. But I loved it. I mean, all those guys are my heroes growing up, so I wanted um to really put myself in the position like them. Um, you know they set the model for it. And I

mean a lot of Knights not sleeping. The team I used to hate playing the most was the Pistons. Bro when she was with the Pistons, man, I you know that. I yeah, I couldn't sleep. Those were the Knights. I couldn't sleep. Could not sleep for sure, man, because they're gonna be physics cool. Yeah. I need my team needs to me to get twenty five thirty points, I'm probably not gonna get it, you know, because they're gonna put

a lot of bodies on me, you know, get it. Yeah, I wasn't defense wasn't wasn't that strong back then, you know, And that was always the worst thing to hear if you in these games. Flip Saunders, you know, the late great man, he wasn't shot about anything. Third four comes here, we go nothing and it's nothing I can do. Yeah, we a man, but you know, now, you know how we felt. Now you know how wep at with me and Matt wasn't going to state we had to guard your ass. Man, you know, I hated that was the

one thing I hated. You give me a big guy, I can I'm okay, but you guys guard me if if a smaller person was on it. I just didn't know what to do. Man. I hated it because my game was face up. I wanted to take advantage of man. You take that you're getting in my ship. I can't see. I don't want to pass and we done with and we done with, done with. Hated I hated playing you guys. I was with that team. Hey, out of the people you name, you know, KG, Duncan Weber was she Dirk?

Who was your toughest personal battle? Okay, g by far, it's not even close. You can He's gonna talk big ship to you, dude. I had to get over man, I had to. I had to get over it. I had to, like, you know, go to the temple and like do some meditation. Bro. He got me one time, so good bro in the game, and I had a terrible game too. He called me a mama's boy. Oh my god, and this is on top of her forget all the curse words, you know, m f M, back and forth. He said, wait, I mean you know what

mean you a mama's boy? And I was like, oh my my bro, my mind was gone. I probably I probably scored five points. I got dominated and embarrassed. I was just like, Bro, I'm in my sheet, I'm in my bed, just can't sleep, just like he mean mama's boy. I ain't, no damn mama. You know that's KG. K Hey. KG walked on the court in the first his first five minutes, he talking to himself. Come on, motherfucker, that's cool.

Like he talking to himself the whole time. Dog bro and I let him like, man, who, Man, who are you talking to? Bro? And that woke him up and shut me down. Bro. And ever since that day, I said, I'm okay, I'm not in a trash talk. I can't even I'm trying to think of comebacks and the game's still going, you know what I mean, I'm gonna say this to him, like you got five b Yeah, that's crazy. Who is someone? Uh? Growing up? Because you were known as one of the most versatile force in our game

when you were able to stretch your game out. Who are some of the people you looked up toward, maybe one in particular who you kind of tried to patting your game after. Oh it was cag as well. I think that's why it was so. I mean you can pretty much put him across the board I had, you know, and I definitely appreciated everybody's game. I wanted to say, wanted to say my second favorite was she, you know,

just because I mean she was she. But I was looking at somebody that looked like me, you know, so right away you know he you know, when I saw him as a rookie, he was thin, fast, long, you know, playing both sides, both ends of the court. That's you know, that that was who I identified with. So that face up game, I had never seen anything like it. You know,

at the time, I had those old school coaches. You know, if the big if the big man puts the ball on the floor, you know, it's one of those things. And I watched him put the ball on the floor, shoot the j um, block a shot, get the rebound, you know, start the break. Once I saw that Um, that opened my mind to it. Then I saw Lamar Oldham, Then I saw Darius Darius Miles. Yeah, And once I saw that, I knew it was nothing anybody could tell me. I had seen. I had seen the future, you know

what I'm saying. So I say those those those are the three guys, you know, KG, l O H and D. Mouse. When when I saw the Mouse, yeah, D Mouse, bro D Miles, I saw hello. I was I was one of those crazy weird kids with college basketball. I watched Llo at Rhode Island and and then with the Miles um it was the two thousand McDonald's All American game.

I had never seen anything like that. I mean he was getting the rebounding and beating the guards down the court and just dunking and hanging all rom swinging off. I mean, me and my homies, we we wanted to be exactly exactly like that, so you know, and they had the appeal to him and him and q Rich out there the knuckleheads, I mean, come on, still going now, you know, just uh boys, Shout out to the knuckleheads, Shout out to the nut Yeah, those are the main influences, man.

People miss Deep Miles Man. Knee injuries definitely cut him down short man in his back, but he was a motherfucker boy when he was young out there running in l A. We had like game game. It wasn't just the Duncan d Mouse had the whole package. Man, Yes, sir, two thousand eight Team USA. Let's talk about that experience. And did that time in two thousand and eight with the USA team did that create the talk for the big three in Miami? It actually didn't. Man. A lot

of people asked that. I mean, I can't speak for Lebron indeed, um, but for me not not not really. I mean I was still my focus was on playing UM and really hanging out with the guys, and I always wanted to be like them. I wanted to be seen in the same light, you know, mellow uh d, Wade and bron I mean they they had the the things that I wanted. They had the endorsement deals, they had them, you know, the regular season success, the playoffs success. I was able, you know, to to still um be

an All Star and all that stuff. But I was always trying to be on that level, you know. So being in that situation, I just wanted to play, you know what. I wanted to be out on the court, um so. And and to be honest with you, ill, wasn't that social when I was that age. I one thing I wish I would have done more of make more of an effort h to be one of the fellas.

You know. I think I tried pretty decently, but just talking back and forth, enjoying the time, or you know, um I was at the car games, but sometime I was just a fly on the wall, you know what I'm saying. I wish I would have talked a little more and just picked their brain and just be a part of the conversation a little more. But um, you know what that said. They they might have had conversations. I did not. So now fast forward, you know to

seasons two summers later. Uh, you know you're you have an opportunity to, uh, you know, make a tough decision whether or not to leave Toronto. UM, walk us through the process. Obviously you didn't have a big announcement in an interview as as as as your brother Bron did. But what was your thought process on, Man, do I want to stay loyal to the place that drafted me or do I want to go in in Miami? Man,

I wanted to stay loyal, I really did. UM. But with that prior statement, Uh, I wanted to be like those guys. I mean d Wade had quick success. I mean just seeing how quickly they wanted I mean it was three years after we got drafted and it and it was in Dallas. I was in Dallas just watching the TV, like what the hell, bro? We didn't even make the playoffs. We weren't even close, you know what I'm saying. And it made UM, it made me want

to work harder. UM, and through that hard work, it just we just didn't have I didn't have the success we wanted to. I mean we were in uh, we were in a position where I was in a position in Toronto. Of course I wanted to win right away, but the kind of twenty ten free agency situation kind of made it to where I know I can play in the States and win now and have a or have a chance at winning now. And that was like the main important thing. I mean, you know, Michael Jordan

and Kobe Bryant, where are here eurods? Man? You know that's that's eleven rings. You know what I'm saying. So I don't I don't have none. I've been playing for seven years. I'm behind, you know. So. Um, and I talked to I talked to a lot of O. G s as well, and the main thing that I got was guys saying, no matter what, you want to play on that stage. You know you want to play on the big stage. That's what you want to do. And that just stuck with me. So that was that was

always in my intent and the decision I made. And and don't get me wrong, Toronto made it tough on me. I mean that was that was home. All my friends were there. I loved it there. Um, I could shoot it whenever I wanted to. But you know, those uh, I wanted to win, man. I'm I've always been a competitor and winning. Winning has always been first and foremost, and that's what I wanted to do. What's how was it getting recruited by pat Riley? Did he call you and uh, I just text you a picture all the

rings and say what you want to do? Found, I got all these rings. I can show you how to get one. Come on over. Yeah, he except he showed it to me right then, right there, because we had all that means in Chicago. So, I mean, it was it was crazy just talking to packers, Pat. You know how you know people have an aura. Pat has an aura. You know what I'm saying. Pat has an aura and the mother boss you know what I mean? He come in, Yeah, you just stand up at straight, you know what I mean.

You know it's sir, it's sir right, Yeah, you know he just carres my grandfather pressure. Yeah, you know, he's one of the greatest, but he is. And like to see him telling, you know, having a message to you to win a championship and to have pat Riley tell you, yo, this is what it's about. I mean, my dad, my dad when with me to the meeting, he was fanning out before and I'm like, yo, right, you know what

Riley man. You know, my dad watched my dad, you know, he was growing up in the eighties and had me in the eighties, so like you know that showtime all that, you know, and um and then even in early nineties with the Nicks, so you know, just just uh, just the thing that Pat brings is uh is that championship aura And you can see it, you know what I mean, you see it and then he starts talking to you, and then like you know, it's always a good point, you know, So I just uh, you know, I just

enjoyed it. Really. I wish I wish we would have taken it, but it's uh, it's in here somewhere, right. How challenging was it for you? Because similar to KG when they got their Big three, he was of one that kind of stepped back the most and sacrifice to make sure everything went in. From the outside looking in, it looks like you were the superstar that sacrificed the most for Braun and d Wait. So how challenging it wasn't for you mentally to kind of find all right,

I'm here with this team, We're gonna win. But to find your footing in your identity with the Heat team, Man, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. It was difficult. It wasn't. Uh, it wasn't. I thought it was gonna be a lot easier. I thought it was just gonna be one of those things where we just go out there and play and things are gonna happen. But basketball doesn't work like that. Um. And you know, just just as far as like my what I brought to the

table was concerned was different those two guys. I mean, the things they could do, I knew right away, like, okay, I can't do that. You know, do you get the euro stepping going two hundred miles an hour? And then Brian, I mean, I you know, I watched him like, you know, get the block, get the rebound, kick it up, beat everybody down the floor, and catch catch a lot with his head at the rim. I can't. I can't do that. I'm not even gonna try to do that, you know

what I'm saying. Um, you know what I mean. I'm a little different, But in that situation, I knew where I could function, and you know, just in that dynamic of that team, UM, it wasn't necessary um as much. So I had to learn to play the game a different way. Which was totally fine, but I had to I had to learn how to play more of a team concept. The toughest thing was really the social everybody on the outside looking in, you know what I mean, you know, the jokes, the mockery, all the stuff that

comes with it. I didn't really see that coming. And so usually to defend yourself on the court, in my instance, was if somebody's talking on the sideline, all right, cool, I'm gonna like you up for thirty you know what I mean. And in this situation, I really couldn't do that. You know. It was just a different dynamic. But it made us pour, uh poor ourselves more into the team. And you know, I found so many different as fastests of basketball that you know, I'm so glad that I

picked up and got to experience and it worked. You know, we want a couple. We got to compete for four years and you know, I can't take anything away from that. It was a hell of a ride. I mean, d Wade obviously they appreciated. D Wade made a quote that he was the piece that me and Lebron needed to make everything work. So obviously they knew, Uh, you were the one that kind of kept everything moving, but that you know, entailed a huge step back from what's something

you're accustomed to do. The one thing you said before in Toronto, shoot that bitch whenever I wanted to, you know what I mean. Once you get to Miami, it's a little different and kind of find your spots. And then one thing you're able to do was really consistently, you know, stretch your range out. And I think when you started doing that consistently, that's when you kind of found your inside because no one could get to deal with you on that admit that that turn and go.

But then when you were able to step back and start playing more on the perimeter to and open up the court more for the team. That's what, like I said, as an opponent and outside looking in, that's to me, that's looks like when you kind of found your rhythm a little bit. Yeah, I wish I wish I would have done that earlier. I wish I would have went ahead, as you know, the blueprint was there, but I wish I would have went ahead and changed that next year.

That first year, all right, I'm playing behind the three point line because one that's where the game was going. Anyway, you know, guys like Dirt pretty much established it and said, Okay, you know it's out there. It hasn't like you haven't seen it before. It's just that I don't know. I just was too scared to take the leap, and I think the whole team was scared to take the leap. But yeah, I should have. Yeah, I think if I would have stretched out, you know, to the three point

line along sooner. I think I even was too late, because I still watch film to this day. I always watched our series against the Spurs, and I'm just looking.

I said, Man, all I had to do is saying behind standard the corner three, just to make it a little I mean, goddamn, it's Tim Duncan you know he has probably you know, he's got a lot of block shots, you know about top three, you know, and ever, you know, if I would have made it a little tough one him just stepping behind that three point line of being a threat there and make them kind of make an adjustment.

They never had to really make it a defensive adjustment on us, not a lot, make him close out, make him clothes. I would have been a problem. And then you know, with the rules, you can't know hand checking no this, no that, and then you know you can. Yeah, And so that's one thing I wish I would have done, was just make that, make take that one and a half step back, you know, steps back a little earlier, and start functioning there. But you know it's still went well.

You know, I have no complaints. So to start that season, obviously so much hype, there's a big parade everything. You guys are crowned. You guys want to win a hundred and eighty seven championships in a row. You guys start the season off. You gotta start the season off at nine and eight. And man like you said that, outside media,

the fans, the heckling. When was there a pot the moment that season you felt you guys kind of came together, had a meeting, or found your footing through a particular game. What what made you guys turn the corner that season? So it was that week, uh we lost to the Mavericks. Yeah, that when we were nine and eight. That eighth loss

was to the Mavericks. We had just lost the night before, I believe if I remember correctly in New Orleans, and I remember d coming in and just like you know, having one of the moments he he blows up at the team, but it was like it was one of the most positive rants I've ever seen, you know what I mean. He was he was like, Man, this bullshit. We gotta start talking to each other. Man, my name is d Wade, I got two kids. You know, He's

just was going off. But it was that and then I can't remember if we um went on if that was in the middle of a road trip or we went to I remember being in Chicago and I got hurt and we had our first game West Coast road trip. I think that West Coast road trip was when the group really really started jelling, because that's when d Wade and Brian I don't know what the hell they were talking to each other about, but that's when they start doing that full court steal and all that. Yeah, you

know what I mean. And I remember being I didn't go on that trip. I was hurt, and I watched that and just being able to take a step back and see that, you know, it kind of really helped me and say, Okay, all right, when I come back, this is what we're gonna do, this is how I'm gonna fit in. And things started to pick up. After that, we still we still hit uh, hit some blocks, some roadbumps, But um, I think that's kind of when we found

our identity as a team. And then really after that, it was really just about winning and losing playing our style, you know, lose winning like a man ship, losing like a man. Um. All those things had to had to kind of help us jail as a team throughout the rest of that season. Losing to the Maps in two thousand eleven finals. What was the biggest lesson that y'all took from that, man, that's the good biggest lesson. Don't count your eggs before they hatch. I guess, um kind

of one. The one thing I learned for sure was don't watch TV bro. I thought we had it. I thought we went up to one. I was like, yes, sir, you know, but it didn't happen. And I think as a team, just just having that toughness, understanding that they're they're a great team too, and and it's gonna be runs and stuff. I think we hung our heads way

too much. Um, we weren't alert. Um. It was some simple things that they did, you know, just those team building kinds steps, the small things like make calling that switch under five seconds shot clock. You know what I'm saying, that's when they that that last four or let the last three and a half seconds to where you know, you'll see the good teams continue to make the next play and make the next clothes out and they're gonna keep making the right pass. You know. Yeah, they had

to trust. Psychologically, we weren't prepared for that, you know what I'm saying. Um, we let guys get off and and we let that, you know, kind of damage our psyche. I think after that we understood, like you know, it's a it's a game of runs. They might have a run, we might have a run. Let's keep playing, Let's go on to the next play, Let's get a stop, let's get a bucket. We need to do that, you know what I mean, those intangibles. We got way way better

at that. It was a huge lesson learned. So two thousand thirty or twelve and thirteen, you guys go back to back in two thousand and twelve, were injured in the playoffs, and you come back during the bronze Game six when you guys are down three to the Boston what do you remember about that night? All. I remember. I remember a lot. It was a terrible smelling locker room. I don't know if you guys, yes, look I'm a TV guarden, y'all. Come on, now, they share with they

share with the hockey players. I'm telling you, man, we all we knew it that day. It was no questions like it was in here last night. That's what it smelled like. Bro, you know, oh my god, I just remember kind of it all came down to that, but just kind of loopen to what I was saying earlier. With the Mavericks, we just we just said, hey, we didn't panic. We let's win. Let's win this game. We need to. We're gonna win this game by doing these things.

Of Course, you can't hang your hat and hope that Brian has you know, forty five points in three quarters, you know, but it kind of nice to happen. Yeah, it's nice to have it. It just happened. You know. I was I was hurt, you know, I was hurt more than people know. Um, So I was just concentrating on what I can't even do today, you know, I was. I was playing with a lot of pain, and so I just wanted to do something. You know, um so

about man about midway about right. I want to say, at the ten nine ten minute market in the second quarter, that's when I kind of realized, like, damn, Brian hadn't missed, He hadn't missed. Okay, damn everything he throwing is going up. That made it easier on us, because all we needed to do is get a stop, you know, so it motivated us more on the defensive end. We get the ball to Brin he is pretty much I don't know where where he's at, but we need to keep him there.

And you know, the next thing we know, it's like, man, it's three minutes left. We up twenty eight points. Damn man, we're gonna we're going back home. Hell yeah, we survived it. And then, you know, I just remember how focused Brian was. He was. He was not nervous, you know. If he was, he didn't let on to be. We were. We were getting loose in the back, um about to you know, run out there for warm ups, and you know how it is, it's pretty much you have a quiet conversation.

There's nothing to talk about with the coach. We watched the films, you watch the clips. We go out there, everybody's getting you know, kind of focused, and I just remember him kind of looking up saying, damn, David Sterring here today. Huh. We're like, yeah, he's here, and they brought the trophy. They brought the trophy here today too. Huh. It's like, yeah, I suppose the trophy is here. And then he's like, all right, cool, let's go out there

and do it. And that was it. Yeah, so you get past them, you guys beat young up and coming case in five. What was it like to finally get to the top of that mountain? Man, it was a relief, I want to say that was Yeah, that was a relief. We knew we were gonna do it. It was kind of an unorthodox road. It never happens the way you wanted to happen. But you know, just getting over that mountaintop, having that feeling and being in Miami, I mean, it was a dream come true, to be honest with you, Um,

it was. It was a great feeling. And it goes by so fast. It goes by so fast. Man, It's like, oh, yeah, you have all these dreams, it's gonna be like this when in the locker room. And then yeah, at the parade. I'm gonna do this this It's just like you blink three times and then it's time to go because you got you need to get on vacation now because training camp is in nine weeks, you know what I mean. So we just uh, I know, for me, it was

you know, words can't even describe it. You know, just uh just seeing how much the city, um, where you're living and where you're competing, how much the city gets into it. You know, a lot of people unless you've experienced it, you you can't even understand. But the whole the whole city is in it. You know, you feel a loss if you win it. I mean everybody's happy, you know. So just to just to kind of share that with the friends, to bring that to Miami, um, you know, to do that uh with some guys I

consider brothers and friends. Uh, it was. It was super special. The first one, second one was just like a relief. It was more just like, dude, you know, you understand how even more how hard it is to win. It's harder to defend it. I mean, planning a series like that was just mentally, spiritually, physically exhausting. You know, I didn't want to I didn't want to play basketball anymore. That was like, that was the first time basketball was fun. Oh,

I mean it wasn't fun while I was playing. It's like I'm getting ready for Game six, and I mean the knots in my stomach are just you know, you're fighting some nervousness because it's all on the line, you know, so um we've on the way to pull things out. But those uh, those uh, those times were real special, man.

Well between you know, obviously in in thirteen, you guys played, you know, Tim duncan Man and Tony Um a huge game six and someone asked you what was one of your favorite moments at one point, and it was you said it was the rebound you grabbed in the kick out to Ray. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean there's many points they cut me, Matt, Matt, they cut me. Matt, sur cut me. I would have boxed Chris's ass out and got that rebound. Man, they ket me. I thought to be in that series. That was that was a

held of a series. I wanted to be in that. Damn you Pop. I'm still mad about that. I'm still mad about that. Dog. Hey, real quick, I remember because we were we had just played New Orleans and we were leaving New Orleans. We were on the bus and you would call me like, yo, I just gotta pop cut me da da da. They're bringing in t macadda da and then just go to then and even remember that being that year. Bro, Damn, that's crazy. I mean,

you know what's funny, Yostack. Me and my guy, Me and Shane, we we always talked about it, and we really we you know, we've watched the play a lot, you know how you know Shane, he don't get hit. Boy. That's like his best move is a box out, you guys, Yeah, box out, That's my best move. He told me, he said, off of that one, I would have I would have cracked your ribs, bro, because you know I watched the flight of the ball and man New was the bottom guy.

You know, it's one of those boxes out where the big is going like this, Oh this was open, you know what I mean. So he could have he could have he could have took me out, you know. For NBA. He was like, Yeah, for NBA Championship, I would have gladly done it. Cleaned your grass out was easy. I would have just been at the hospital and and and we would have lost. You know, you know that's how shan't play. Shane was just shan't did anything to win the game. He wasn't. He just played by the rules.

If I could slide upon you last minute, I get a charge, that's not on me, it's the room. Yeah. Yeah, he was like, oh yeah, I would have put my hip right there and that would have killed. But you know, yeah, that was that. That play just kind of really just happened fast. Um, I'm glad it happened the way it did. And I mean still even after that, we had to execute, we had to you know, play overtime, another overtime, we

had to play with five arders. You had to play overtime in another game, so then you got But also the big block in that that was just like it was the small things you did in that game. You know, obviously you played well, but it was two It was a rebound in the block shot that you know, secured the win. And then obviously, you know game seven is a classic and it's going back to back and you know,

you guys get the championship. But it's so small things that people don't think about to realize and for you to accomplish everything you've accomplished in career and say that the offensive rebounding to kick out to a teammate was you're one of your favorite players in your career. That It really says a lot, man, for sure. And I didn't score in game seven. I tell people that all the time. You wanna know something even funnier? Me or Ray didn't score in game seven. That's a fun fact

for you. Really that was I don't want to know. It wasn't his last bucket, but he scored a couple in overtime, I believe. But yeah, we did not score one bucket in game seven. Zero points between me and Ray in game seven. Man, So you look back at it when it's all set and done, it's four finals appearances in two years, two titles. What do you take away most? Obviously the championships are important, But what do you take away most from this? You know, you leave Toronto?

Are you leave Toronto and have this four year run that's gonna go down to the history bucks man? I think? Um, I think overall, I'm just happy that I was able to kind of roll with the punches in a sense. Things worked out, um, but not in a way that I thought they would. I always thought if we were gonna be winning an NBA championship, I'd be like MJ,

you know, holding up the Finals trophy. You know. Um, but you you realize how how much it takes to do something like that, I think, man, I mean, I'm just proud of the way how many times I was able to transform. I was able to try to carry a franchise. Most people don't even get those opportunities, you know, So just to have the opportunity and try, um to to be able to participate. I mean in damn there

every NBA sanctioned event like the league. Boy, I don't know how many stones I left unturned, you know, NBA growing up, man, So just to be able to continue to participate in it. But as a player, um, to do all those things and uh to be successful, um, you know with my friends, it was amazed. And and to really get to know people at great organizations, both in Toronto and in Miami. Um, you know, with Toronto winning last year. Uh, I have man equipment, guys. I

went to a couple of finals games. We was having we was kicking back, having some bruise before the game. You know what I mean in the same spot, you know, just being able to be proud of those guys and and and for that city to have for my friends to have that experience was great. And then in Miami, I mean, you know, that's such a special place to be able to knock on pat Riley's door and and have those meetings, you know, and just to be able to talk to him and talk to the guys and

talk to Spoke. I mean, it was it was a special time, you know. And the further we get removed from it, man, I mean, even people in Miami, you know, they'll come up to me if they see me walking around on the street, you know, before all this stuff, they they talk about it. You know. Man, remember Bro, do you remember? You know, Um, it was so electric,

It was so much fun. Those are the times I missed, you know, everybody at the games, seeing the fans at the game, especially now because we don't know what the hell I am to happened in the future, you know. So I'm just so so glad that we got to have all of those moments with the uh, with the entire city. Yeah, that's dope. Lebron decided to head back to Cleveland. Was that a shock to you in d Wade, was it talked about amongst you three? How did you find out he was decided to go back to take

his talents back to Cleveland through a text. Through a text, I thought it was bis and and then you know, about ten minutes later, it's everywhere. UM, I understand it. I get it at the time. At the time, I didn't understand it. Um. At the time, in my mind, I was ready to put the team back together so we can you know, because we had just lost UM, so we wanted to put put something back together so we could win UM. And it really didn't go like that. Uh.

You know, I took offense to it. To be honest with you, at first, UM, I was only thinking of how I felt about it. And you know, me and

Brian talked about it. But you know, I'm a competitor, and you know, to be honest with you, ship, when you go back to the locker room and Brian ain't in that chair, and then everybody's kind of looking at you for that twenty five points and looking at d for that twenty five points, you know, it's like damn man, you know, like but uh, you know, you you you realize how we really did realize how special of a player he was. But at that time I was you know,

I'm super competitive. UM, I was upset. Uh. Still it's still worked out for everybody, UM, but I was upsetting. It took some time to get over it. I want to say, it took months to get over it. You know, me and uh we had to be in the same place and talk about it. Uh, you know, nothing deep, but just you know, just talk and get back to the good terms and you know, get back to where we were. And you know it's uh, I'm glad we did.

And you know it was tough to deal with. But at the same time, we uh we had to get back to a mode of not rebuilding, but you uh, getting more out of ourselves and out of our team and you know, not always having that easy thing to rely on number six to do his job and you know you're gonna get twenty a Nate, and and all

I gotta do is this. You know, it shuffled things up, you know, right, So now obviously Bronze gone, that's giving you the way more responsibility back on both of you guys place because I'm sure what you're accepted with open arts. But then shortly after that is when you start dealing with your health issues. Did you know how serious they were at the time initially or did they continue to progress?

Talk to us about that it continued to progress and went from a problem or it's like, man, I really do feel kind of as weird when I breathe, Man, what's going on? To fully debilitated? I can't even it hurts to move, you know. And then I went to the hospital. Uh, and yeah, I was there for about two weeks. I thought I was only gonna be there about five six days. On the fifth on the fifth day, I can't remember exactly when, but on the fifth day, uh,

they told me I needed surgery. They dreamed my lung and then if you ever had the lunge drain, it sucks, and so they dreamed my lung. And then I thought I was gonna go home. But then more doctors came in and told me like, yeah, we're gonna have to go in there, and you've developed these things, therefore you need surgery. And I was there for another week and a half pretty much. Um, and you know I didn't leave. You don't mind if you don't mind, explained to our

viewers and our fans, what exactly had happened to you? So? I had turns out. I went to the doctor. I had to collapse long and took me to the emergency room. They performed CT scans and all these things. I had pulmonary embolisms, uh in my lung. So that's a blood cloud in your lung. And um, pretty much I went from playing an All Star game on Sunday too pretty much, I think Tuesday them telling me the next twenty four

hours of critical you know. So I was like, all right, you know, I got the thing in my nose, you know so, um, and then I didn't leave that place for a couple of weeks, you know. Um. You know it put things into perspective for me. And then even after that, we still I was able to bounce back. Then again it happened again, same time and All Star weekend, and that was the last time I played, you know, so, and I didn't have any pain or anything during that time.

It really was difficult, you know, rehabbing pretty much. I had not had to learn how to walk again. But the most I could do was walk down the hall and back, and then I have to get in bed. For another twenty hours, you know. Um, you know, Um, the hardest part the second time was just me trying to do the right thing and saying, oh, man, I feel this or I feel it in my calf. Man, let me just make sure I go. Let me just get checked out, just just so they could tell me

I'm good. And then I didn't play basketball after that. So and it was tough because I was in good shape. I mean, me and Pat we talked about it. We

had man, we had a squad. Man. I felt not to say that we were gonna win it all, but we could have competed still still still too Hall of Famers, being as competitive, being as competitive as you were, How hard was it coming to the realization understanding that, you know, thirty thirty one, you still got another eight the way you played probably ten years later your career and you had you had to decide like, like this health is really gonna remove me from the game. Like how did

you come to grips with that? Tim? That's really it? Just time And uh, I was so mad and frustrated. Um, all those guys that we were talking about earlier, I wanted to be like them, you know, in that thing and in those guys thirteen year career, it's kind of like the bottom tier. You know. I wanted to I wanted to establish myself in the record books. I wanted to establish myself without Bron To be honest with you,

we wanted to win without him. To be honest, it's like he you know, not he wanted to win without us. But I think it's something to say, you know, Shock one without Kobe, Kobe one without Shock. You know. Um, I wanted to put myself in that category and on that pedestal. And uh, I wanted to help d get back to that status as well. And I mean we man, we had a really I really felt really good about our team. We were like in second and third place.

We we had a round all start break. We said, okay, we do We played our cards right, we do were suppos to do. We could get it at number two seed ship if we get to the Eastern Conference finals. Hey, you know, let's let's let's play some ball. I'm not worried about it at all, you know. So we were very very confident. Um, it just wasn't to be. But I eventually just came to the realization that what else do you want you know, don't be greedy. You did everything,

bro Um. I was talking to me and my man, Maverick Carter. We're just talking and I, you know, I said, man, it didn't happen the way it was supposed to happen. He said, it never happens the way it was supposed to happen. And when he said that, I was like, oh, damn, you're right, and it kind of put me in the mode to where I have to figure something else out because you know, heaven forbid if something happened while I'm

on the court, which has been plenty of times. You know, I feel like I got away with enough because people have died for way less. You know, Once you know what I'm saying, I was like, right, cool, I should be here because usually the people that have the thing that I have, you know what I'm saying, they're not here anymore. So I kind of took that to heart and just you know, just really moved on, got it out my system, and just moved on. Was it a

difficult transition with with all that being said? Known, you still had a lot in the tank while you're so you're thirty two years old, now thirty one years old, Um, what was that transition like just to go in you know, now you're in the house every day with your family and it's just you're watching your friends continue to move forward. Was there a mental block there or mental frustration or anything you went through having to watch that, So that

kind of I knew I wasn't gonna play after that. Um. And then you know, d got traded back to Miami later that year, and I was so happy for him, but I was so hurt at the same time, you know, just just you know, him being able to get that chance, um, to to go back and have those moments. You know, Uh, I felt I deserved them, but I wasn't getting them. And it is what it is. You know, a very small percentage of guys in the league get that. You know,

you realize how special that is. And then really, um, you know, you know, I gotta get credit to my family. Man, they held me together. We we had just had our twins. Um, they were super young. Um, they needed me. My wife needed me to kind of focus on the family. UM. You know, I had a lot of things I had to clean up from from things in the past, you know, so you know, you don't know that, but when you're done playing. You guys know, you got a lot of stuff,

a lot of free time. You don't you don't realize how much time. You don't realize how much time basketball takes until you're not doing it no more. And in the summertime, when you know we're working out two or three times a day and were such creatures a habit, we don't realize what avoid that field when we remove ourselves. I mean, if you think about it, we play our seasons eight or nine months if you're lucky. If you're lucky, then you take three or four months off then you

start training. So we're really on eleven out of twelve months a year. We're on. Yeah, all of a sudden, it's just not there and them, it's just like, holy sh it, I got a whole life early thirties, you got a whole life that in front of you still. Oh yeah, am I am I? And you know, my

babies were babies. You know, I had babies. We had babies, you know, and that was that was a challenge, um, and especially for me, I realized how much my wife did you know, Like I remember one morning coming downstairs and all the kids are playing and I'm just like, Damn, they're loud. They're so loud. I looked at my wife and they always just last you know, every day. IM usually taking me, Yeah, I'm usually playing my you know, taking my pregame nap and she gets them into the

into the playroom so they could make noise there. And you know, those things, uh took some getting used to. But I like to say, I hope hopefully I fell into the role of dad pretty good now and and I've got a pretty good sense, uh since for what I'm doing. But like at first, um, it was a challenge kind of readjusting everything and at the same time, I'm trying to figure out what the hell I'm gonna do with the rest of my life, you know, and and what kind of uh, what kind of message I'm

gonna leave and all that stuff. I mean, I never saw myself not playing basketball at thirty two, you know. I wanted to play at least until thirty six. I just turned thirty six, you know, so it's like, damn, all right, well I'm in this position. I just have to, you know, learn how to how to be a civilian and figure this thing out. M M. It's a lot different um thoughts thoughts on the twenty twenty Hall of Fame class Rest in Peace, Star Brother, Code, KG and Duncan. Guys,

you had battles with thoughts on that class. I got to say, amazing class. I wanted to be a part of it. I know, you know, people were like, oh, I agree, but look, let me tell you something. I wanted to be a part of it. That's all I say. But, um, you know, one of the best classes ever. I mean, you know, I hate that Code isn't here to to be able to experience that and for us to experience

his presence. I mean I got to go to the Hall of Fame induction for Ray and just to see I mean, it's a special thing just to see all the greats, you know, show up. It was like the Basketball Avengers every year. You know what I'm saying. You see like Damn Bill Rugs, Bill Bill in this Joane. Do you know what I mean with it? Back? You know, everybody's there and and I know for sure it's still

will happen. But um, there's just the amount of people that those guys inspired and and and and how they I think if you take those three guys the way they change the game. Um, for guys in my generation. Um, you know, it was, it was, it was really really amazing. So I mean, I'm I'm you know, unored for those guys. I'm very happy for him. I hate that Kobe's not here. It will kind of be a dark cloud over it. But still we should we should appreciate those, uh, those

guys accomplishments. Nonetheless, it's a lot of that's a lot of it's a lot of hardware in that in that in that uh, in that group right there, And that's just the individual hardware. We can get to the team stuff later. Just the individual hardware. You know, it's uh, it's amazing. Yeah, all right, man, we're almost done here. We got quick hitters. Um, you're starting five lineup from

port former teammates. Yeah, you're all time starting lineup. You can include yourself, you can come off the bench however you want the slice, I hopefully you know gotta have you gotta have a three in there. You already know, yeah, you gotta have the three. Um man, you know what, to be honest with you, about to just go with the five that we had not with like teammates on

the quarter, teammates like just great teammates. No, don't just people you played with period, anyone from Toronto, anyone from Braun. You gotta play a game. We gotta play a game. Yeah, you gotta battle somebody. Gotta battle somebody yet, Big three, Vince for sure, and uh, you know, if we're playing the day, I suppose I played the five, give me Shane for that, for that to be that glue. You know what I'm saying. We need that glue. So so you bron d Wade, Vince and Shane. Yeah, solid five.

Jack skipped the next one and go to the artist because he already top five? Are they of all time? Oh? Boy? Artists? Artists? I mean, you know you gotta put uh you know, you gotta put Mike and Prince in there for sure. Man, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put baby Face in there too. And and he's more than just an artist. I mean he's he's an artist too, but he's a monstrous songwriting I mean I want Grammy party. Yeah, dude, this bro,

he got like a hunting Grammys or something crazy. Um, yeah, you're definitely gonna go go ahead, Teddy, you get your connection ready and I'll sing to the ladies. I'll sing to the ladies, Teddy bro. I'm I'm gonna have to go with Jay z Uh because he's elongated wrap. Nobody thought that you could still wrap uh. But he's continued to put our projects and stuff, and you know, just his cultural impact. You know what I'm saying. Um, you know, I gotta go with you, Oh, old kanyeah old Kanye

old yeah earlier, could you be solid? Hey? I tell people, man, college dropout Kanye could have been president. Yes, yes, I drop out man, straight up, straight up college college dropout. Kanye could have definitely been president. And I just had to go and one more. I'm had to go with Usher, my man Usher. You know what, I had to go with my very underrated that's just definitely an all time great. Yeah, definitely gets looked over. Five five dinner guests, dead or alive.

I'm a Barack Alpaccino, nice scarface, my grandfather, Okay, Daddy Jack Bosh, Daddy Jack Bosh Uh, Malcolm X and Martin Martin Luther the King. You gotta solid. Let's go be put some wine, a couple of guards, maybe a couple of joints of ain't come out. Oh Okay, So this next question, who do you think we should have on all the Smoke? But before you answer, you have to help us get this guess. Oh, shoot, who I think

you should have on all the Smoke? Man? We we we had, we already had one of the big We already had one of the Big three and will be nice to complete it. We're missing one of the Big three. Gang gang came. Man. I don't want to make no premises there. Man, I don't know. Man, that's a good as question. Man, I shoot, who should you have? Man? I want to want to say somebody outside of because you guys do so it's such a wide net, you know what I mean. How About I'll give you a suggestion.

How About I'll give you a suggestion because because I know you know this person? Yeah, pat Riley, Oh you should have you should have. That'd be dope. That's a gold episode. That's a gold episode. But I'm about to say, Hey, between Bron and Pat, I don't I don't know who's harder to Yeah, Pattis. Pattis, pat got more rings than anybody. Man. I just when we have dinner, it's like, Man, it's so good to see you. I appreciate you man. You know what, I got to see you man. It'll be

a while. Let's get everything in down and our lunch. You know right. That's a rap. Chris, thank you for your time, my brother. Appreciate you man. Thank you guys man, oh yeah, oh yeah, don't talk about it. Thank you to our guests, Chris Bosh for his time. You can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube in the I Heart platform under the Black Effects. See you all next week. Chris. Thanks bro. We appreciate it, man, appreciate take it easy. Good to see you bro. Thanks for your time, bro.

Good to see you bro. This is all a Smoke, a production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime