Calvin Johnson | Ep 56 | ALL THE SMOKE Gridiron | SHOWTIME

wish you could have him in person. But to me, growing up playing football, someone I really enjoyed watching and wish she could have played longer. Wish she could have played for a better team so we could have seen him, see him get a ring. But welcome to the show, Calvin Johnson Man, Calvin, thanks for joining. Glad to be here, fellows, Glad to be here. Thank you for your time. Um current check up. How's the family, you know, considering COVID

and everything that's going on. How's everybody holding up out there in Michigan? Shoot the immediate family. We're all good here, you know, we're trying to uh, you know, maintain our our our guys, I guess you could say with with COVID, even though the whole world is starting to get last. You know, we're just trying to stay tight because you know, we got family members you know that have uh you know, pre existent positions that you know, it could be real,

real troublesome for them, you know, not to mention. I know three people personally, you know that passed from it, you know, two of them being the Foundation volunteers of mind. So you know, I know, you know it's hit home, you know, So it's it's not nothing for me to light song. Really, you know, I'm just trying to, you know, maintain, just remain stringent with the rules that we have in place for back home and at work. That's what's up. You mentioned before we got on the air. You got

another little man on the way. Congratulations with that. Yeah, a little boy, No little knucklehead man. I don't even I don't know we're gonna name them, but uh, you know, I can't wait. We want to have a girl. You know, we got two boys, so you know, we got another boy and we're done. I got three boys. Are what are the ages of your boys? Six and two six and two things too and the new one on the wall on the way, Uh huh. We're definitely a boy. And I feel you I wanted to get I wanted

to get a girl. I couldn't get a girl. Jack, on the other hand, has a house was full of girl, flock full of girls. Girl Jack got five girls. You know, with the current state, obviously, with the pandemic being what it is, and current social justice climate, what are your thoughts on where America is right now? Man? You know you see it on a daily basis. I mean, you're walking around here. I live in the area. You know,

it's you know, it's predominantly white. You know, it's you know, I mean, once you step above eight mile in Michigan, you know, it's that's just how it is in the suburbs. And you know, you know, I go around here, I'm rounding my bike. You know, people are pretty friendly, but you still have the people that that are just nasty. And I think that the climate, you know, it kind of brought that out in a lot of people where it's just okay for them to just be nasty, you know.

And so and I say people, I mean, I mean white people. I'm not just you know, everything the climate is divisive all around, but I'm talking about you know, the white folks just being nasty and not you know, just that racial biases coming out. You know, I'm from Georgia. I'm used to seeing it. And the problem I feel like I have is that, you know, being from Georgia, you're seeing it all the time. You're going to the store, whether they're following you, just weird stupid questions, you know,

you know, you go mute to it. You know, it's just it's just, you know, it's just something that just happens. You used to get used to it, you know, but then when when things like like we see with the thanks to the cell phone, you know, our brothers getting getting killed, you know about police, you know, that kind of brings up brings it brings up all the tensions, and it makes you think like, Okay, why am I mute?

You know, why am I a mute? You know, there this needs to be if you need to talk about this. You know, this isn't anything. This racial, This racial tension has been for a long time and we gotta get to the bottom of it. I mean, we know what it is, you know, but the conversation is you starn't had because I mean, I mean, once one person says, you know, one thing, the other person doesn't light and people shut down. You guys, you gotta be open to

the dialogue. And that's where we're just not open to the dialogue. Really, yeah, I think this is I mean, I'm four years old and I feel we've never been more divided as a country. And I think you make a great point. It's the conversations that need to be had, but they're tough conversations, and we had We had Charlotta Magne on our show a couple of weeks ago, and he's just like, you know, white people don't want to

give that power up. You know that that racial tension, that racial hate is power in their mind because it's always come from a powerful place. They feel, even though they're not more powerful on us, they just kind of have that feeling about themselves. So you know, the way that the world is so mixed up with so many biracial children, now, I mean, the world is turning browner by the day, you know what I mean, So at some point that all this ship is going to have

to give. So you know, I'm hoping everything we're doing now is for you know, your three boys and my three boys and and Jack's kids in the future, because uh, it definitely for the first time they're listening. So now we've got to have some kind of play moving forward. Amen, let's go back to high school where all this amazing that started. Uh, you know, a football star, a baseball star. How did you get into football and baseball? Growing up?

All always played sports growing up t ball. Um My mom wanted to play football though when I was a kid, she said, I'll get hurt. She told me, the first time you'll be able to play football is when you get to the middle school. So, you know, I grew up like in Fairburn, been called the Fairban Flames. You know, I'll be leaving baseball practice day out there the blue uniforms with the orange flames on the hillmet you know,

it was fired. You know. I just wanted to be a part of that because it looked cool, you know, and uh, I really and Mom was like, no, you're gonna get hurt. No, you can't play in two you in seven grade. So I got to play when I was in seventh grade, and I was a straight scrub, you know, I was I wasn't the same. I didn't hit my groth spur yet. I was just you know, just an average kid out there. I played running back,

in cornerback. You know, I was more so like a tackically done me out there on the practice field because I was, I was skinny, you know, I was kind of tall. You know, I was just not coordinated, none of that. I went to high school, hit my groth spur, and uh more so than anything, I still wasn't coordinated. You know, I hadn't trained that all that yet. I mean I could play baseball, you know, I could run, I could hit, you know, I can do all the

basic things, the fundamental things. But as far as playing football, running a route, catching the ball and then you know, while you're running full speed, those things just weren't out in. You had to the point. You know, I got called butter fingers when I was in high school. A lot people don't know that butterfingers. You know, I never man, I just be dropping balls like left and right. You know, they put me on the varsity and I had a bad game, had like three crucial drops, and from that point,

all butter fingers. And you know, I was like man's all right, I gotta resurrect it. I can't have that nickname. So from that point on, just to work that kicked in and I was like, nah, I ain't gona ain't never gonna be like that, never gonna bet me again. So somehow you went from butter fingers to Megatron. How the fund does that happen? Focusing determination and just wanted not just at the time, I was like, Okay, I didn't know what the best was, but I just know

I didn't want to fail. And I think at that time it was more so just a fear of failure. You know. I didn't want to be that guy. You know, I didn't want to be the guy that's here dropping the ball, not being accountable. That's one thing I couldn't be. I did not want to not be account Well, I mean you got to think about it. I mean, you have kids now, Jack and I have kids. Like when

we were younger, we played outside and played like. We didn't work out, we didn't lift weights, we didn't sports specific train like, we played tag until until our mom and dad told us to come in the house, you know what I mean. So it's much different to naturally be gifted and then really have to start working at it. Like I know, bullshit. I played. I played football, baseball, basketball, track. I didn't start working out for basketball in the NBA until I got to the NBA, you know what I mean?

And that like I have kids now that are you know, eleven, They've been training for a couple of years now. So it's just like it's it's a way different dynamic now from when we grew up to how sports and kids and training is now hit the room early now. Man, I didn't crazy, so I got to really got to college. You know, we did some stuff in high school, but

there wasn't nothing serious. You know, we pushed some, but it wasn't still we got the college where you know, I put on like thirty five pounds when I got to college. I didn't do nothing. My name changed at twelve years old from Steven Jackson. Always high. I was just and I was just talented enough and basketball guard just gave me a gift and I just played it. And from the area I came from, it just gave me the attitude to to go out there and not

back down from nobody and just be tough. And that took me over but no, I didn't want to do nothing. How curling blunts was curling Blunt's attitude and what we love many attitude the dog? Yeah, who gave you that nickname? Though? Always high myself? Okay, I talked to myself always high because people always ask now you high? I say, my name is all first name, always last name, high so high school star. What was the recruiting process, Like you

decided to stay home. Did you take any serious consideration about going anywhere else? Yeah? I mean I thought about Oklahoma. They were sending me letters. You know, they were hot at the time. Um. I thought about Clemson because I mean honestly, I was close to home. But you know, they had these They always had tall receivers like twin towers. Know so I admired that. Um. But at the end of the day, I trained to my family build to

see me play. That's why I stayed in Atlanta. What was it like in Georgia Tech though, also you went. If you're at Georgia Tech, you won't know you had cappus. I mean, besides the school being like really hard hard, like really hard man, it's just like you're not there for football. You're not there for sports. You're there for school. That is first and foremost. The teachers. They're gonna make

that known from day one. Like if you get a confused, they once you know, because you're gonna have a DAL Now you're gonna have like a two point oh grade grade point I was messing around and not doing your work there in Tech. But being in Atlanta, man, you're right there by the AUC Clark Atlanta spelling. My mom and sister want to Clark, you know, so I've been around. I know, I know the area. I knew you got focus. Man. You gotta be focused, and I mean, I mean you

gotta be focused. There's guys that came before us, Like I kicked off school there because yeah, like I said, school was hard and they didn't play. But I mean there's so many distractions. Being in Atlanta. You know, it's easy to be, you know, caught up doing not what you're know, know what we're supposed to be doing. M hm. Very decorated college career. I mean the list of accolade from All say a c C First Team to All

American to a CEC Player of the Year. You decided to leave school after your your third year and take your talents to the NFL. What was it like being drafted number two? Overall? I've seen you at Georgia Tech, let me say that. And what I noticed was every time you got one on one, even if you wouldn't open, they threw you the ball. Hey that's my boy regime. Man. Reggie told me all like, hey, you all got to throw you to rock Bro And I was like, hey, man,

I'm gonna go get it. And that's my want. Say, that's what we do, that's my job. But you know, being drafted number two, uh, I mean surreal to me. You know, I just out there just going about my data. That's I trying to stack good days on top of good days, man, and you know, just hoping that you know that the fruits of my labor manifesting in some in some form of fashion. And uh, that's just that's what happened with the draft. And it was just a

quick process. Not quick, but it was so fast. To say. All you're doing to training during that time, you train your train, you train your train. You know, like I said, you're just stacking those good days. And next thing, you know, I mean it's been two months and you're on the NFL team, and they're saying, you know, you know, you're you're you're buying lunch Karen helmets, and you're not doing

You're not the big dog anymore. You know, you go right back to the bottom, so and having to fight your way back up and all the way you do that, it's just by by Sean coming to a good attitude and good effort and just I mean balling out at the end of the day. Did you picture that, because like me and Matt both had like we pictured like the NBA draft and getting draft in NBA, did you picture baseball? Did you play baseball? Draft for the NFL draft as a kid? I forgot that. I forgot mentioned

that going up, I played baseball is my sport. You know, um Bland of Braids. You know, God was they sold? They got Dame lossup today. But man, the Braids was a team. You know, Baseball is my sport. Kingdris cranky Kingdrids with Jr. My favorite player. I want to play field want you know here home runs all that. You know, I got drafted out of high school and play baseball. But it's just came a point where football just took over that team's sport. You know, just kind of took

over the camaraderie. You know, I couldn't get enough of it. Now, that's crazy you say that because I loved baseball growing up to And we got a chance to interview Griffy last year on this show and he texts me at the Blue the other day, and I'm just like, Yo, someone I looked up to and admired so much, just text me to say, hey, how are you doing? How's your family doing. I'm just like, that's that's the kid texting me like griff jery Man. So I feel you

on that swing. Swing, that the picture perfect swing. So you come into the NFL nearly to thirty nine running a four three eight at six four? What the hell is that? I mean, it's I just love hearing it because, like I said, football is my first spart. I love football to death. You know, I let the nation in touchdowns. I'm six seven and I ran a four three nine

my senior year. So like you were someone when I saw coming the league, I wish you to think like, man, if I would have stepped to it, you know what would have happened? Like I used to really watch you, like damn, Like I would see the hit you take, like damn my three inches child, they would have really fucked me up on that one. Or just the way you were able to physically dominate dudes because we had a similar body style. So it was just so dope

watching you do what you did. And I wish, like I said in the opening, that you had a chance to win more, you know what I mean, and getting in playing playoff games and get a chance to really play for a ring, and the fact that you didn't, how tough did that way on you, you know, getting later in your career. I think the main reason I decided to stand destroy it was just because I felt, I legitimately felt we had a chance to win that ring.

I mean, we had an offense that was putting up four to five dollar yards a year on offense, and we had a defensive line. I know, I mean we had the secondary too, but we had the defensive line that featured in Dominan Sue Nick Fairley, a young, really young c. J. Moseley. But yeah, and then we had one of the mean, like a mean defensive line, like like old lines. Quarterbacks are scared to come play you. That's all That's what you need to win the Super Bowl.

You need you need that good the line, You need a defense that could hold up. And you got an offense at the school or I will. You know, we had the makings and then when everything got blown up there towards the ends to rebuild a mode. That's what it's a wrap from Nick. Yeah, that's tough. Early on you. You did something that you know I like to see. And because I'm always pro player and get your you held out as a rookie to sign a better deal. How how did that end up unfolding? Oh? Man, I

vaguely even remember that. Uh. What I do remember is that, you know, I took the advice of my of my Asian bus cook at the time, and he was just he was just telling me, you know, this is this isn't the deal that we need to sign, you know, And I don't have the experience at the time. You know, That's why we brought him on board, you know. Um. And you know it's really just them me um, not not accepting anything less than what I was worth. And

that's that's one thing I'll tell any player right now. Man. You know, if you gotta team by the balls, like keep them there, you know, advantage because once they got other way around, you best believe they're gonna exercise on you. So you you sustained the back injury, UM early on in your career, I'm sure the athlete didn't. You wanted to get you back out there as fast as possible,

started taking biking in for the pain. Was there any side effects from opioids and then we'll obviously transition that into the cannabis talk. Yeah, man, that when I hurt my back and I couldn't it just lacking MOB, I couldn't do anything swelling back there. I took the opioids is mainly Viking and UM, I was taking so many of MI. I was like I got an easy. I was just thinking like that, it's this is even good,

you know, because the pain was always there. Any time I trying to exert myself, you know, the pain was there and that was the only thing that was kind of knocked the edge off. And uh, you know, I didn't want to get reliance on that. I think when I came into the league, I came in wanted to you know, I came in from a holistic perspective. I guess you could say with all my sulflements that I took.

You know, I had a doctor down in the Atlanta Progressive Medical Planics not just a little bit south of Alpharetta there, went there and did all my blood work, you know, found out where I was efficient, you know, gave me myselfing that's based off of those things. All the somethings that I had were claimed. They went through

the nfl p A, you know, and make sure. Um. So I was just really taking the holistic approach, um putting the things derived from the earth in my body and not really want to be relying on anything synthetic. And that's really kind of the same mind frame that brought me over to the one to be involved in the cannabis industry. When did you personally start using cannabis. My first time using cannabis was in college. My first experience, you know, I saw it in high school. I had

new people in high school that used it. But it was just something that you know, I knew if I came home smelling like a league, Mrs Johnson gonna put me upside down and beat me with someone ever saying, you know what, my dumbas took their chance. My dumb took their chance. And got them beats every week I've ever heard. All Right, So you said you started in college. What was that first experience, because I remember I started when I was fourteen, and my first experience, I was

fucked up. I got a headache, fell asleep. But I wasn't a quitter in the second time. The second time I got back to it. I mean, we we've been married ever since. So you know, I smoked all through high school, all through U c l A. And through my whole pro career. And I was someone that looked at it similar from a standpoint of I wasn't much of a drinker. I was a social drinker. And then any kind of even even a vicuting would like twist my stomach like makes me feel like I had to

throw up. And then me having a football mindset, I'm like, I played through everything, you know, broken fingers, sprained ankles, you know, anything outside of me needing surgery, I was gonna play. So cannabis was something that always relaxed me, focused, me, helped and you know, the anti inflammatory. It just really I felt like I was my best me when I smoked. You know, I smoked before the game, after the game, off days you see me, I'm smoking, you know what

I mean. So what did your routine because we you know in sports till the trade you mentioned, you know you you medicated after every game. When did you really start realizing that the plant was working for you? I didn't realize until I got to the NFL when you know, I don't understand what we're like when I'm in college.

You know, I don't you know, you're gonna really suffer the same injuries that we did when we're you know, when we got to the pros for some reason, like you just still have maybe a little bit more band in the elasticity to your joints and stuff. I guess

we're in college. But when I got to the league, man, those hits and stuff, they started to you know, compound and and and and take their and and and take their toll and uh so literally, like I would say, probably my first two years in you know, I started probably to make a have a have a good routine

of like after the game sometimes after practice. You know, I'm getting it in because of me, Like say, it's the only thing that that brought comfort, that allowed me one to sleep, allowed me to relax, and allowed me to you know, uh, focus in and and and and and freed up some creativity as well. I mean there's differently, so many, so many different things that you can use it for, you know, like you say information, you know

that was the chief for me. And but really just the overall emotional feeling of well being, you know that that I got, you know when I was you know, indulge, you know, especially when you when you do tayling. You guys ready to been here? Uh Calvin, is there like a fan on or a vacuum or something? Oh? Ship, Yeah, my bad? Automatic? I don't bad. Was that automatic vacuum? You said you got that much money? You got that motherfucking vacuum. Uh, man, got so much money, you got

that motherfucker walk that walking vacuum. Hey, what was the h Mega computers and all got to get the Mega mega vacuum vacuum? What was What was the testing process? Like you know with Jack and I when we first came into the NBA, we would get tested at the at the very beginning in training camp and then we were free to do us and that was the best type of our lives. And then they started working around and giving us four random tests that I had to

start paying my trainers. Give me your heads up when it was coming, just so I can kind of maneuver by Jack. Yeah, Jack, what tripth if he couldn't have no weeds? So what was your process? What was it one in the preseason and you were free to do it or did you get tested during the season unless you know how messed up it was the day they started on four tent so between four twenty and August. Like, ay, that's like your window for getting tested, and you get

tested any time in that window. But once you get that test, you get until that next year, until that next window comes back around. You got a whole year. Yeah, like whenever you get in that window, like you get it in August, you know, then you got to April. If you get into April at the beginning, you got to April. But uh yeah, you just the Suther Department.

The sus is like you gotta you know, train and be off of the officers like a month you know before you know, give yourself some time where the clear out your system and then you gotta be awful. Then chill whenever you your test and say you if you don't get your tests from you know, something from like March when used to get off until you know the last uh you know the dirty and that test. That's so that's a random that's a random time. Right. They don't give you no heads up or nothing. Just in

that window. They can say, c J, we need your pee. I mean, so they will start, but they'll give you like that like that's talk your position group per se. You know, they're like, hey, we got your group, like this week, we got receivers this week. You know that's that's about the earl. You probably that's hey, I could have beat that. Every time you give me a heads up out of here, I'm good. I was like, man, I think coming out the pores, I don't know about to beat that. You know, so I used to ain't

no bullshit, man. I used to carry my detox drink with me, like I beat test day of smoking the night before, like not knowing the next morning I was gonna be peeing. Sometimes I didn't get their heads up. But if I can give me two hours and I'm gonna give you a clean test. I don't know how much weed I smoked the knife you said that at that Dame brand for an endorsement. Dream I dream, but the detox drinks man, because it's like to me, yeah, to me, there was no other options. Like I said,

we can laugh and joke about it now. And and you know, we've only started gaining traction because there's been medical research behind it, because you know, now we're seeing that, Okay, it does help with this, it does help with that. And we've been saying this the whole time, but we've been labeled as losers, stoners, you know, Dopez, whatever you want to call it, because we knew what this plant from the earth did for us, but it just hadn't

had enough research on it yet. So I'm just happy, Like I said, I'm glad we could laugh about it now, and I'm glad we're making progression and professional sports and across the medical field as a whole. But it really helps people. And then what's the alternative? I mean, as a GM or a president or owner, do you want your players drinking or all piled up or you want them sitting there and at the house smoking the joint,

laughing a lot. I don't know what the culture was in the NBA, but I know, you know, everybody knows it now about the NFL. You know, we got we got to the NFL. You know, you're just going to trans room and get whatever you wanted, you know, you know, just going into the bag. You know. It was like skittles, like skittles, anything you needed, anything you needed. How did you get the name Megatron? And when? When? When did

that stick? When I got drafted No. Seven, um to Detroit my teammate Roy Williams, he was starting ex receiver at the time. Um, it was just happy. It's just tilling me. Everything's time me man. And with this specifically, the movie came out writing O seven and uh, you know, I guess he just said, ay, you're big, strong, fast, you move like when he started to call the Megatron.

But you didn't really catch you on until oh wait, you know after after that rookie season, second season you're on the wrong side of history, going oh and sixteen? What was that? Like a lot of dope that year had to be, man, you had to be smoked out there. What you're doing right? Man? I mean sure you gotta come somehow. Man, you don't know how to deal with that. My home was just like do know how long I want to play? Man? Like It's like you're like we're

in the cold. We gotta finish our season in Green Bay every year, like man, So it took you guys a little bit, you know, it took you guys a little bit to you go into your first handful of years. You know, you guys finally make the playoffs in two thousand and eleven. What was the process like just actually finally getting there? After like you said, all the ups and downs, oh and six teams and two and four teams.

You know, I'm talking to a lot of events that been that played in different places, you know, and coaches and whatnot, you could come to realize, like there's a time, I guess when the team has a has a moment where they have this this chance kind of to like, you know, take it to the next level. Sheep just team together, allowed them build around his team and let them you know, go all the way with it. So, yeah, we got that team together, and you know, that's that's

what that's what you do. You got together the defense line together, we got the offense putting up these numbers, and we finally got their um good coaching. It's really just a team and you know, the team was viving and we had a great chemistry. We're hanging out together off the field. You know, that's the feeling that we had. Guys were playing for each other. You know, there were no selfish motives. You know, we got the cancers out

of the locker room. You know, it's it's it's it's just that filling up togetherness and moving as one unit. You know, everybody's moving march into the same tomb, saying the same things, whether it comes to the media, whether it's just us talking about you know, how we're making each other better. You know, it's it's no big wasn't b s. You know, it wasn't a bunch of off the field stuff. Everybody's focused. Everybody was able to compart with the laws and and and and and focus on

the mission at hand. And that was just what's happening today. What are we doing today? Today's third n day. Okay, we're gonna focus on third down day, tomorrow's reds one day, We're gonna have a perfect red zone day. And just that, let I say Stagno's good days up and as we were able to do um at the best, at the highest level during my time in Detroit, were those latter years in my career there two thousand and twelve. You're rewarded for all your hard work. He signed a hundred

thirty two million dollar contract over eight years. That's why you got walking vacuums in your house still to this day, exact sixty million guaranteed. I mean, for that time, this was something that was unheard of. Obviously, they rewarded you for your for for you know, your your hard work on the field, and you rewarded them with the career year yourself a hundred twenty two catches nineteen hundred sixty

four yards. I mean, what was that like considering still your team went back to not playing well, but you had an amazing season. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm I was so fortunate. You know, my whole time in Detroit, Man I had a coach and Seawan Jefferson. You know, I can't I can't talk about my career without mentioning him because he's the same guy. You know, sand played for San Diego, Atlanta and in New England. I think

you played for thirteen years. You know, played under Bill Parcels, you know, one of the toughest coaches out there, and you know he brought that grid to the receiver locks to the receiver room, and he got to say every year at the beginning of every season, you want to be great, And of course you're gonna answer you yes, but he's like, I'm gonna coach you like you want to be great, and I'll tell you he did that.

He did that each and every day, whether you felt like it or not, he got it out of you. And uh, I mean him just pushing us every day. He helped us. You know, the main thing you want to do when you're practicing is bring that game like intensity to the practice so that when you so that it translates to Sunday or whatever day you're playing. And you know he pushed that, he got that, He got that out of us, and he got it out of me each and every each and every day while he

was there. You know, it was sad to see him going after my six or seventh year, but you know he is still so much of me at the time that you know that that can never leave four and twelve done looking like somebody who had a bad shoes night in the NBA. Oh my god, that's rough man. How is it though, for you, because obviously your ultimate team player to have the type of season you had, you know, historical season and in context, but still your team not doing well, you know what I mean, Like

there's no moral victories. You know, once you get to the pros. The fucking loss is a loss, you know, I mean, but you're still going out there putting up amazing numbers. How did you balance the two situations? Press? Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's just one. Just I'm not leaving me personally. I'm like, okay, I'm out here. I'm just the overall you know, thirty dollars in foot of you. You You know, I'm supposed to have a hunt of yards every day. I just got to do that,

you know. That's what that's my expectation for myself. And I don't get that. And you know, I didn't do something right that day. I was I didn't have my I wasn't at my best that day. But it's just like it's hard, you know. But like I said, if I had that coach, I was pushing me each and every day, and that practice that I put in, all that running and all that stuff during the week, you know, the one for nothing. So I had to let I have let it out on on Wednesday, that frustration loosen.

You know, the defenders had to feel that. You know, they felt that with every block, you know, every time I caught the ball and trying to get the Yet you know they felt that because you know, we had too much on the team to to be falling by the wayside like that. And you know it's like I say, it's just aggressive, and then I just try to find I just try to compartmentalize these things while I'm playing. That pends up, aggression, all that stuff. You trying to

focus it. You know, I let it out on the field, whether it's that's losing, you know, whether it's just you know, just whatever it may be that thing's got me, whether it's just fired up. You know, I just trying to focus that and put in and directed. And I was able to do that and you know, put away put put by the wayside. Yes, we're losing and just you know fall You're never want to just say I'm focusing on on on myself, But I mean, I'm just focusing

on being the best version of myself. And if I do that, you know, that's how that's the best way for me to help the team. I feel like facts, Yeah, you had a job to do. Yeah, we had totally understand that we've been on some we've been on some teams that we would losers, but we still had a job to do. Who did Who did you look forward to matching up with on your career? Patrick Peterson? Um? Yeah, yeah,

LVS Man, I'm aloys to be serious. Man. Um. You know, it's fun playing him because because Pat, you know, you know, he's in your face all the time. He's going to follow you. It's like kind of like the Jerry Rice Dion where he gonna everywhere you go, you know, and you know, I appreciate that, you know, you appreciate that one of that level respect that you're getting because okay,

you're getting the other teams best defender. He's following you everywhere you go and at the time, and you know, I just know that at the time, like, Okay, when I look back on this, this is gonna be like some there's gonna be some o G show. You got to two oldgs battling right here. You know those kind of battles, man, because he's pushing me and I'm pushing him to bring out the best. And uh, you've ever

seen some some some some great plays. You know, from both of us when we got the plays over your career, is there one defense that stood out to you the most, like a particular season, maybe a team you played that ended up winning the super Bowl that year that we're like, god, damn, that's the hell of a defense. Yeah. I hated playing Minnesota Vikings man. We played him twice a year and all I remember hearing man our our the line can

call nobody our old linees, but particularly online. They would hate playing these guys, Jared Allen, those two big Williams brothers in the middle. You know they were resting. They would wreck our defense every week. You know, I think, um, you probably. I don't know if y'all remember this. You know, Daniels Alowski to got it on TV does a lot of comment tab. I don't know if y'all remember he

ran out the back of the end zone from a safety. Yeah, he was literally running from Jared out because I dude was getting after him all game and he just lost track of where he was because he said, out of here, I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that. Oh that I ain't taking that hit. Hall of As as a receiver. Um, you know, you get teed off on. People always get to hit you. I remember I used to love the crack back, the peel back block. Do you have one particular peel back or crack back where

you just suck somebody up? Man, I got one to tell you. It was as a little fail. Man, I ain't I got something that I really like. You know, some people out you know, but I got one where it was absolute fail. I'll tell you about It's actually more fun. We're playing Chicago at Chicago and this is my rookie year and I had to go in and crack um Lance Bridge. I'm just trying to the He's from us, so we played in high school at the

same time. He's from out my way, Okay, you know what you know, he's you know, he's a man boy, somebody you don't want to have to hit. Man. He saw me, and he like, I'm coming down in motion, you know, my little slogan and my little short motion, you know, like I'm about to run round. I'm trying not to look at him, but I'm peeking on the inside of my eye and I was trying to die. Damn. I hope he don't see me. I hope you don't

see it. Right before the ball snap, he looked me up and he looked right at me, and he's just writing and wrapping the ball snap. He just ran right out and he died nose to play. He just ran around me, ran through me. Made too like I get tossed out on Monday. So yeah, that's like I just seen one, like an old highlight. Tried to crack back on Ray Lewis and he blinds oide of Ray Lewis, but still he was the one that still got sucked up. Yeah, bloody Ray that's another one. You don't hit the dirt.

He just he too big out there. Big. What is your action? You still you just said earlier, you're still in Michigan. What's your connection to the Detroit community. How much did that mean to you? In no way. I started my foundation, man, Calvin Johnson jam Foundation just focus on helping the youth, abuse families and just the individuals become better members of the best versions of themselves and better members of society. And so we've been getting scholarships

in Atlanta in Detroit um for the last decade. Now say since the way and uh, whether then I'll do my camps both here and there, and uh, we do you know things with kids, whether go to the elementary schools.

You know, we read to the kids. Just try to be available to talk to the kids, schools and teams whenever I'm available, you know, because I mean, now I might the point where like, okay, the best I mean, the best thing I could do is gore and talk to these kids and just give them as much knowledge

as I can. I hope they hang onto something. That's what's up two thousand thirteen, seven and nine season, Uh, two thousand and fourteen, eleven and five, seven and nine in two thousand and fifteen, and that's when you you was that your final season? Yeah? What was it like being one of the greatest receivers we've ever seen, uh, in such a short span, but never really being on a consistent winner like you You mentioned you guys felt you had what it took to build a championship type team.

Never really got over that mountain. But what was it like being so elite and then not really being able to to shine or really get an opportunity to shine in the playoffs? Yeah, it was unfortunate. You know, you can't go, but you can't help but have the film like we we obviously did in maximize the talent that we had, you know, and all you could do, all anybody could do, is point itself and like, hey there's something,

Well what could I have done better? You know, you know I could have had you know, maybe two thousand yards fifteen hundred yards one year, and maybe that would have helped. You know, look back, maybe there's a ball I dropped I could have should have caught, you know. But you know, it's just just a simple fact that we did maxim as the talent and you got you got me no offense, you got Stafford, you got uh

donal can suit on defense. You know, you got some decent all around the team, you know, and cheap positions that that you should be able to uh you know, be able to have a winning team. We just didn't have the winning culture though. You know, it's a lot more than go go those into it, than just having those key players so tied to a big contract. Um. I'm not sure if it's rumors or not, but you know, they won't let you out of the contract and you decide,

you decide to step away at thirty. Was there ever a time you thought, okay, I took this year off, maybe I'm gonna go back, or I've tooken these two years off, maybe I want to go back to that. Ever cross your mind once you decided to step away from the game, you know, I mean, I can't say that I didn't think about, like, can I still do it? But it wasn't a long vault, because I mean I was going to tire after my eighth season. You know. I was literally the only reason I didn't do it

because I went. I was at home in Georgia talking to my dad on his couch and I was like, man, Dad, I'm done. You know, I can't do it. The more you know the team, they've blown up the team. My body is just aking. I don't have a range of motion like I used to. I can't get out, I can't dig like I used to. You know. I was like, I just don't feel it. I just don't have the love for it because it's always hurting, you know, I

just don't. I just don't happen. He looked at me, He's like, you think you can do it one more time? And I was just you know, I sat there and sat palled for a second. Once I paused He's like, all right, you can at least do it one more time. And I was like, right, all right. So I went out for the last year. I knew my whole season is gonna be my last season. Was telling my guys, uh during the during the season, like you know that you know made Kobe resting rest in power man. He

had retired. He announced he was gonna retire, and I was like, man, I'm gonna be right behind Kobe. Dog. I'm a pout of here, man, I'm done. And my guys they didn't believe me. They were just like, you know, shut up, man. But then after I was retired, a couple of guys were back there like, dude, if you weren't playing, you were there that serious im Like, I ain't never lied to you. Yeah, was there ever a

time that you wanted to, you know, get out? You know, with the NBA and the way players move around, the way superstars move around with pretty much free realm and free range, ever crossed your mind? I'll tell you that's something that NFL guys admired about the NBA. Man, like John, how do you get out of there and just go

here and there? Like Wow, that's awesome. You know, but yeah, we wanted to try to if I was to win somewhere else, maybe maybe trying to start you sticking out a little more, but it just wasn't worth it than me doing it there in Detroit. Yeah, I feel that. You know, it's crazy to me, being such a football fan, to see that Barry Sanders did a similar thing you did, I mean, played his ass off for ten years and you know, decided to respectfully step away and never really

got over that hump. And then you know, you come along as a receiver and do the exact same thing, and we're never really able to get over a hump, but stayed loyal, you know, stay loyal to the soil. So we were talking earlier before. Can you imagine if you know, if Barry got to run behind Emma Smith's line or Terrell Davis's line back then, or if or or if you had Tom Brady, or if you had you know, Aaron Rock, you know what if Peyton Manning?

You know what happens, you know, I mean, as someone who didn't play the game, we like to fantasize to think, like what if they had you as a target. It would be incredible, you know, what's funny, man? Whenever we play a Green Bay, you know Aaron Rodgers when whenever he's over on our sidline, I should be standing there. He'll be over. He was like, may man, you need to come on over here. I was like, man, I wish you could, dude, real you and Aaron Rodgers together,

holy ship. When you retired, obviously before your contract ended, did you have to pay any of the money back? You know, I know football is a lot different with their money than basketball is. Yeah. I mean, that's that's that's that's that's the reason for the risk between you know, the team and you know they maybe pay some money back. So you know, I mean if you went. The reason I don't have any involvement with him, it's because of that. You know, like you can't you know, maybe pay money

back and then still want me to come around. It doesn't work like that, right, right? Right? Right? Wait, so they wanted you to pay and then still kind of being an ambassador for the team. Yeah, yeah, don't work. Yeah, you don't give my services after that, after all the time I put in you just no more so. Nine seasons over eleven thousand, six yards, three receiving touchdowns, you rank on the all time list. When you sit back and get a chance to just look at your career,

what are your thoughts? They're happened so fast, you know. I keep going back to second those days up. Man. That's all I try to do is just live in the moment and stack the days up. I think maybe you guys from the test to it, you know, you just try to live in the moment. Tom flies, you know, and next thing you look back and like, oha, I know, I got a kid that's two years old. I got a six year old boy that's just started a school. You know. It's just like damn. So I just try

to you know, continuously, ain't. It Ain't perfect, and I try, and I have my days so I'm off, but I try still just be the best version of myself and perfect any task that I'm you know, focused on that I'm that I'm doing at the at the moment, you know, And uh, you know, that's that's just the principle of how I've been living post career. You did a little bit on Dancing with the Stars. Man, talk to us about that. Man, Happy Happy Now tall y'all too tall? Man?

The girls three interest shorter than we are what you mean, That's that's the big difference, bro, That's a big six five totally differ. Yeah, but how was that the gaming the call? I denied him like two or three times, and my wife said, you know this is at the time, like everybody was using yolo, you know, and she was like she was just that's like they keep on calling me about the day show. When what do do you think

She's like yolo? You know. I like spending time with Cali, you know, you know, so end up doing I had a great partner um. Even during that show, man, I almost stopped doing the show because my ankles were swelling up so bad. I couldn't. I really couldn't move and do the things I was supposed to do. I couldn't. I just couldn't move, I could my range emotional was just tied down. So one of my homies season, the Film Industry out there played me at Georgia tech O

Sahana Tongo. Uh. You know, we was just kicking it and I was like, hey, man, like I'm got to quit the show because you know, I can't move out here like I need you to do out here looking like a fool on live TV. You know, I'm I'm like, I'll just just check me out, you know whatever, and uh he was like, hold on, man, I got something for you. He brought me a topical. You know. It's my real really my first experience really using topicals for me.

It's just flower flower concentris maybe, you know. And I put up the topic for my ankle and over there the course of the next couple of weeks, you know, I was like, okay, like my swelling stand down, it's not my ankles aren't blowing it up anymore. I'm like, it might be something to this. From that point on, I was already a believer, but really you wanted to

get behind the science of cannabis and learn more. At that point then he was in County, so you know, you can burn freely, just burned it down, you know. I wanted to touch on something too that you kind of reminded. My brother played eight years in the CFL receiver nearly died as I'm spleen, almost ruptured, was retired after eight or nine years. But I remember his first couple of years walking around like an old ass man, and he was like, twenty nine, how long did it

take for your body to kind of is it? Is it still daily? Does it come and go? I mean I played fifteen and I wake up, thank thank the Lord, wake up every morning. Fine, Like no aches, no pains. You played a sport obviously, but with more contact. But you got hit a lot almost every single play. If he wasn't blocking, I mean, if he wasn't catching, he was blocking at least. How is your body now and how long did it take for it to feel some

of courts sort of normalcy? Yeah, he comes to goals, like you said, You know, it depends on what I'm doing. If I'm just ride my bike, you know, I'll ride my bike and I'll ride like fifteen miles or something, I get back home. I had swelling in my ankle, so I got you ank out my topical on row the slide of the slide of right on my ankles. Um. If I'm doing my training like my camps, man, you know I tried to, you know, in my camps, I

demonstrate the drills I wanted to do. You know, next day I'm like at the bed dragging my feet like I just played the whole game the next day, So you know, it's just a chance on the level activity I do, but it doesn't take much to get my get me, get the body all jammed up, not at all. See that's the thing that like that the normal fan doesn't understand about the stuff we put our bodies, in particular football players. It's just like you have a life

to live after and it's not. It's not what you think. No matter how much money you may think someone got, Like you're living with daily, real life, daily pain. Not to mention you know, the the CTE and and the concussions. You know you spoke on that before something that you know it's scary and there's so much research on it now is the reason why I won't let my kids play tackle till they get to high school. What are

your thoughts on all that? In particular CTV, Because you know you've had a few concussions in your time speaking about c T I learned more and more about it. Uh. You know, I'm not to say every day, but like on a monthly basis, because we're associated with this company and company out of Orlando, Florida called Nextry. I don't know if you've heard of them. Basically they got their name Nextry from neural strength. Basically, if you can imagine how you can build muscles. You know, you can rebuild

a brain brain brain muscles as well. So it's called neural plasticity, and it's just you know, it's just literally training your muscles and in your brain you literally could re reattached connections and build your brain up. So, UM, I employ you guys looking to it, please, because I think there's there's a lot to it. Um, we're tied in with those guys, and and they're from those guys. We got a connection with Harvard with what we're doing

with cannabis. But going back to c TE, you know, just getting behind the research, Um, just learning more about you know, trying to create solutions. You know, that's honestly what my companies are trying to do. Four players, you know, just create solutions in that space for guys, whether it's you know, football, basketball, you know, veterans, you know, anybody that that that suffers from any kind of head trauma.

But along with that, you know, it's just kind of just educating people about the psychology, mental health, emotional intelligence, all those things go together. I think that all those things all together kind of like that like in cannabis, you're talking about the entourage effect, and you get all those things together, it's all better. Yes, you and your wife stepped into the cannabis space and in two thousand nineteen, can you tell us about what what you're doing in

the space right now? Yeah? I love too. Man. Um. We started here, we spend the journey. Uh, we're about two and a half years and now. We started with some licensure issues. At the very beginning, we got denied. They literally denied us because I had some traffic citations.

I was like, really, the denying people over attractive citations and we're trying to find out that wasn't none of the bias and uh and and come to find I'm not gonna say it's because of us, but that board that was making those decisions got removed and we got approved. About thirty days later, I got licensed and from that point on, we got license. We built out our first growth twelve thousand square feet UM that's been operating for about a year now and uh, we're we got processing

running that's been operating, uh just this year. And we're in the process of getting our first two retails built out right now, so another month or two relief will be vertical fully vertical and along with the cannabis side. You know that I mentioned Harvard, we got the opportunity to do some further uh, some further research and and bring up some awareness there as well. So we got a lot of things going for us right now. UM A lot was saying really busy right now, it's just fun.

But at the end of the day, we just want to bring um, bringing a level of professionalism to this industry so people can respect it and educate people. UM. On the medicine, do you have your own brand or you white labeling? How do you get your flower out there? Yeah, we have our own brand. Primitive is our name. Why

do we call primitive discuss the original medicine. You know, it's spelling primitive the regular way without the um, without the e of the n, so so printive primitive cannabis, cannabis. You know, elevating wellness is our thing. Primative group. We probably look it up Primitive group dot com. That's what we have to splash place, slash page, you know, just a little especially, just a little description of what we got coming. And you have to we we definitely, um,

you guys do edibles, tinctures, the whole nine. You guys on just on the flyer side were capable doing all its tractions. Um, we capable doing everything. Okay, that's what I want to talk to you about what you're doing because I'm working on some stuff too, So I'll get your number after that. Happy to talk about it. Yet, do you still use we? We we just kind of just discussed it. It It comes and goes. Do you still use cannabis for pain management now? Or is it just

more on a relaxed focused tip? Both both? You know, it depends what I'm doing. Um, I mean, like I say, if I want to be relaxed, if I want to, you know, go if I got a busy day and I want to kind of chill, you know, before I get gone, before I go to sleep, you know, I know I'm gonna have a great sleep and wake up, you know, eight hours later, refreshed to go about my day, ready to go. You know, it just depends, you know, but I'm usually every day. Yeah, I probably get it

in at least once a day. Yeah, what's up? Welcome? I'm kidding. Uh two thousand twenty one. Uh, you'll be a Pro Football Hall of Fame nominee should be what should be an industrial What do you what are your thoughts coming from the kid they used to call butterfingers um to next year us to be being uh NFL Hall of Famer. I think it's just, you know, a story of persistence. Man. You know, you might get knocked down.

You know, people might tell you might you're not just and that you know you might not win here there. But it's just I mean, in order for us to be where we're at, there's a lot of failures that happen, but it's a lot of getting enough that happened too, you know, So you know, it's just a matter of just how many times you're willing to get back up. You know, if you keep on getting up, you'll find success. What are your thoughts? I mean, you guys have much

bigger crowds than than basketball does. And you saw the NBA played in the bubble. What would be your thoughts were playing with barely any fans or no fans in a big old football stadium. It's tough, man. You get so much energy from the crowd. You get energy from the crowd. Man. It's it's just like they'd be like practice, you know, it'd be like training camp. Like that one scrimmage, one or two scrimmages you have in praying to training camp. But the first game had to feel like that because

guys had to get used into it. It probably wasn't too Somebody got hit in the mouth for real, and they're like, okay, this is real, right we focused. I thought they were supposed to blow the else before you hit me. Hold up straight up. Being removed from the game. Now for nearly five years, do you still follow the game? Watch it? Follow any teams or players? More so now the last two years. The first couple of years, you know, I just so you know, just not interesting act and

just what the interest level wasn't there. But now the last couple of years, you know, we met my brother in law or just two friends. You know, we always you know, we got a reason to watch. You know, we've got somebody to pay attention to. Going around meeting different guys around the league. After I retired and talking to different teams, you know, I've met some guys. I'm like, okay, let me pay attention to um Mamari Cooper. He seems like he's a good kid. You know, he's a good egg.

Let me let me pay attention to you know, I talk to Jarvis. Let me to see what they're doing up there in Cleveland, you know, I just like to, you know, see what those guys are doing that I've met that I've had a good core with. Do you mentor any of the younger guys or current guys in the NFL not hand on hand, I've done some things

with some of the guys. You know, they as they come in, their agents would have me come out and talk to them, or coaches would have me come to teams and just in time with the receiving group, she was giving them to bits. I love doing that kind of stuff, Like I just want to you know, everything I got, you know, I want to pour it back in. I might not know everything, but everything I got I'm willing to do. I'm willing to give you. You got to hold on to it, you know what. Goddamn enough

with the numbers you put up, right for real? Are you an NBA fan? Do you do you follow teams players? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, sir. I can't lie. I do watch more so tours when it gets closer to the playoffs, but it's a long ast season. We understand that we don't watch half heard half the ship either, man. Can y'all come straight from home and go? Who like, Oh, y'all gotta be like I know now you probably got one when y'all was first started, y'all rookies and stuff like that. Y'all just like, oh, yeah,

couch had a nice little burger or something. Let me go and go. It depends on the competition. I still can do that now. It just depends on one playing. See, I'm like you like my post career. I retired to seventeen, and I haven't had I don't want to play basketball no more. Like I coached my kids and I'll work my kids out, but I have no urge to run up and down the motherfucking court no more. Like it's

just naughty. But I can still talk about it, analyze it on ESPN, but I just have no urge personally to play it anymore. I love the who I love to running down to court, but I mean them gas, But I love it, man. No one one thing y'all you mentioned like before the games, you would get in like, I'll tell you this. I did it one time, you know, and uh I was so also parano it because I had a good game, you know, And I was like, man, I don't want to mess it up. You know, they

ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it no more. I never did it since then, but I had it. So you smoke before a game and you had you spoke before a game and had a good game. Yes, it's one of those. So it's this situation. I was on the way to a game and I was just like, it's just one of those games, like like man, I ain't got no those lose Like I'm hurt, Like I don't know, I don't want to play today. You know. I was just like, don't forget it, like light it up.

But I had a good game, you know. I'm just like, really shoot the edge off of everything. I feel like pain. And I was able to just you know, function, and I was just I was so fair and I was like, man, it was good while I lasted. I don't know if I don't want to mess with that again. He that should have been he that should have been a rich or whatever that should have been an that should have been a sign right there, like every day on the way to state. That's what I mean. There's a regret.

Maybe that. But the only reason, the only other reason why I didn't do it, just because like, man, if you burn like I run all day, I gotta run, like, you know, three miles a game, you know. So I'm just I'm just I need my win. I need my win to be bro. And actually I was like mixtically, I was just like, man, it's messing my lungs. You know, if I'm out here renting, you were overthinking it. Because that was my game. I ran. I ran. So that's

why it's funny. Because I would train. I would train that much harder in the summer, knowing how much weed I smoke, no bullshit, Like I really went out of my wage because I love to run too. So I would run and do sprints in the preseason because I know my job was almost to be like a track athlete out there on the basketball court. So I would really prepare to the summer, what extra ship, knowing because I probably got about three bunts coming to season ahead

of me. I need to get ready. So who's your NBA team or who or some players you follow uh NBA team right now? You know? I was, I like I was following the Raptors for a little bit just because I like uh, well I can't pronounced the man names like him, um uh Pascal Sam Pascal. Yeah, I like him. I met at him, been around him a little bit, you know. I just like I said, the guys I meet, I followed those those guys I'm a

big fan of. I was a big fan of Kawaii, you know, the Dame of him, since he was coming out of college. You know, I've been I've been following him a little bit literally, just because I just randomly seen him one time, you know, seeing him playing, you know, random another random thing, you know, player. I've been following this my man Gordon when I went to Indiana, you know, just another situation, just randomly seeing him play. You know.

I mean, I see you guys all the time, but you know, just just the guys that I just picked up on in college. You know, I watched college games, probably to watch NBA, and some of those guys I liked that. I'll see the effort in the determination. I'll follow those guys through. So I get to see a lot of a lot of the leagues, especially around playoff times. So that's when I see that, That's when I approved

of the competition. Though them right now, You're right, A long season, I feel, especially not being in it no more. I can see like there's like stretches during the season where the beginning of the season is fun, Christmas is competitive, and then January February is bullshit, and then he gets picking back up after all star breaking March going into the playoffs. But I mean, eighty two games is a lot of games to play. In the half they play, they played hard to getting the art Star game. Then

once the Arstar Game town, they chill. Then when the team might not get in the playoffs, they push again. That's how I go. That's that's exactly how alright we're coming towards the end. Top five artists in your opinion, top five artists occurrent or just like just whoever whoever you like, it's your top five list. I'm talking to five lists. I started. I started listening to uh to Outcast. So big Boy and and and m Andre Andre used to come. They come kick it at Tech Georgia Tech.

You know, so I got to see in person. That was awesome. Um, I getting to them. I listened to some t I and Jeez before every game he saw Atlanta Trapp U. Yeah, it's really all Atlanta almost. You know, Atlanta got some good ass music. I don't even man though I know, I like like like who I know, like who. There's a lot of West Coast rappers that I know, but I don't know if they get into my top because it's all in them Jesus three t

u Andre Oh, i'd say outcasts in general. Um but Ja, I love I love Ja Coole um Man when person, who do you know? J just from like I said, I Alred said j Eazy um Oh, what's the name Kendrick Lamar? Yeah? Yeah, conscious trappers but that was six five or six. That's a nice list. I like how you're Atlanta loyal because I'm West Coast loyal with my list too, so I feel it. But when I'm inst when I when I'm West Coast is like I forget all about my Atlanta roots and I'm trying to listen

to a Coast rappers. Just it's just right, it's just right. L A do that, l A. Make you forget you married, make you forget your roots, thank you for get everything to get you living another state? You like you're living here while you're here, Give me, give me your top three songs that you trained to, Top three songs that I trained to. Motivation t I the greatest t I I'm trying to give you when it's not TU probably Doug motivation, motivation. That's three. That's that's Atlanta anthems. Though

they played them in the club, that's anthems. Uh. I don't even I don't even go to the club. I can't go to the club, not at all, not at all. The days long gone, I mean outside of your jersey being in Uh, definitely retired to match one quarterback. You wish you would have got a chance to play with and Roger. That was quicklif a year man. I got to see him in person, like to see him through the damish you know, first half. I got to see him take over from Brett Farrest. I was like shore En.

So before I ask you this question, when we asked our guests this question, that their answer, you have to help us with the answer. Your answer. You have to yes. So if you know the person you're gonna you have to help us with answer your answering. All right, who would you like to see on our show? Who I like to see on your show? Damn? That's yeah, I like that Obama. Obama, Obama goode yea. If I try to make it happen, I appreciate. Man, take a boat and tell them we need to pull up. You have

five seats at your dinner table, dead or alive. Who's gonna be at your dinner table day? Man? Jeez? All right, Denzel regularly, Michael Jackson, right, a little um, who's gonna sit right here? Obama? I love Obama mana awesome. I'm not gonna say Michelle because she was just with Obama. I'm not gonna sheet. I got to more damn here. I want. I want Kobe. I love Kobe man. I love Kobe. You never get a chance to meet Koke. And that's that's my one regret. Bro I never made Kobe.

And I was snowboarded when I heard about everything that happened. Man, I was so it was just me and my wife was just staying. Man. You can see everybody on on on the on the on the lift. Everybody just like and the energy just sad, was like terrible. Love kogl Man, love everything he was about. You know, didn't get to meet the man. But everybody that I know that that has met him, I'm sure you guys attested and say

the same thing. One of the most hard work and individuals that have his greatness manifest the way he did. You know, it was awesome to see. Don't even one person. Let me get a woman at my table. Let me get a let me get a woman at my table. Let me get here. Are ting. I want to hear some stories. It's a real stories. All right. Well that's a rap. C J. Appreciate your time, man, Good luck

with everything. Great catching up with you. That's awesome. You can catch this episode All the Smoke on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the I Heart Family, Black Effects, everything else everywhere. Let's see you all next time. This is all a Smoke, a production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime