Baron Davis | Ep 88 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

dumbest show. Well, I just want to give you roses. Y'all doing the damn thing and motherfucker's out here. You need to pay attention because this is like some new ship, you know what I mean? And y'all really get into the hardest ship asking like I watched your motherfucker's go from like can't you even read? You know what? That dropped out of school? You know what I mean? No, but you graduated and dropped out and he never went to school and sow the sea. How to be able

to do this? Man? It's like this is my favorite shop. In turn be at the studio back to back. This is the one. Right he went to school, but I didn't go to school. And he got a degree and he went to class, you know what I mean. But he just like the once he was done with school, he just like, funk it. I'm I don't want nothing. By was crazy? What was one thing you took from?

Really just like get back to being who I wanted to be, you know what I mean, and like learn to appreciate what I have, Appreciate the time that I got with my kids and ship like that. And then I think I would say, like on a macro standpoint, it's like I'm looking at this world and I'm looking at black people, and I'm like, yo, we got an opportunity to like actually be who we are supposed to be in our generation. Got a chance to pioneer that ship. And it started with this young man right here, and

I'm just so proud of him for that. So it was just like he set the standard. And then you know, I'm like, fucking let's we gotta figure it out. I mean, what was your thought when you've seen I mean this, dude, you know, our brother led the biggest protests in the history of our country, sights without sixteen countries, eighteen countries. What were your thoughts when you're seeing this dude on TV? I was praying for him. I was praying for him.

I was like, yeah, you found like I was praying for him, and I remember I came was like dog and mounted that this is this is your thing? You feel what I'm saying, like, this is like this your calling homie, and like, can't nobody take that ship away? Because we've been through worse ship, you know what I mean, who's like more forgiving, right, who's more at peace with himself? And that peaceful guy? So go out there and walk, bro, I'm gonna be are praying for you, you know what

I mean. I'm gonna be here trying to figure out how to make all this ship move on the back end, oh my end, you know what I mean? It was hella inspired. I was like, Yo, you're gone, You're enough the priest good. Imagine that that'd mean dope? I mean obviously you know, fuscile justice is something we've been in. You made a very hard felt post the other day about the Asian hate and how it needs to stop. What are your thoughts? Talk Like I said, as as a black community feel that we have a chance to

advance right now. But so at the same time, there's stuff that brings us back down to reality daily, such as these random hate cries between you know, people abusing elder Asians, people abusing the Latino uh you know, uh street workers. What are your thought with all that stuff? Man? I just think that for us and where we're at, like it's time for us to like come together and bring people with us, right. And so when I made that statement, it's like I got Asian homies, who are

my brothers, you know what I mean? We all got Asian homies and Asian home girls, and like families that like to care of me, you know what I mean. And companies I invested in and I know what they're trying to do. And you know, I was a part

of this Stop to Hate. Our hate is a virus, the campaign, and and to me it just really meant something because those are people, right, and the stereotypes that we've been perpetuating against blacks and Mexicans, blacks and Asians, you know what I mean, Like it's time for us to say, nah, we ain't going for that ship no more. Like these are folks, you know what I mean? And these are people and that and that's why I stood up because I feel like, fuck it, if they're gonna

do that, then let's all go ball. You know. I am like, all right, let's all go gang up and now what's happening? You know what I'm saying. So you're really all in the same circle. I mean, any kind of minority, we in the same kind of fight, know, I mean, so they know we might as well. Yeah, but I always say the minority. If the majority, man, you feel me, they label us the minority to try to keep us on, trying to keep us boxes were

definitely the majority. Tell us about your upbringing South Central Grandma was very influential, influential in your life. Tell us about your bringing. Man, just you know, grew up kind of like the worst way, you know what I mean. I grew up the worst way, but also the best way. I was trying to explain to somebody. It was like like I didn't have nothing, but I did not not half without, you know what I mean, Like I had everything I needed and I love, but like I didn't

have that ship. You know. When I walked out my grandparents, everything else was checky, everything else was jankie you know what I mean, You're saying like you know, I'm in the I'm in the you know it's Gotham Park. You feel what I'm saying. I'm saying a crip walk is darter to go get a free lance then getting mocked for two blocks. Come back, they're shooting. You know, we're still on the court. We're laughing about it with kids

like buildings. But you know in the moment, you ain't thinking about you like you're laughing because this ship normal. You know, you're playing football and homies say hey, man, if y'all say hike, we're gonna shoot, We're gonna shoot. You all glass up and they're like, hey, for you better say hike. You know what I mean, say hike, that be be guns. So just like stupid ship, that's like hella traumatizing normal, like a normal you know what.

It was just like it couldn't get no worse, right, and so the love inside my Grandma Grandpa Paul house, it couldn't be no better, you know what I mean, And so that that was like my escape going up. Man. So I got to see it a good and the worst in just the hierarchy in the hood. You feel what I'm saying, like how to live and be there for seventy years and all that ship and then like, okay, these these are over here. They they ain't got too

long and what I'm saying, yeah, man, ain't there. We'll talk to us about being able growing up in that environment and then going to somewhere like Crossroads. Had that come about? And how did that shape your you with an adult? Yeah, shout out to that family grew Uh. I just directed a documentary called Dreamers and Doors for k Swiss and Fad work that case. Swiss and he had an a team and he saw the point guard a Crossroads was like five six, and he was like, Yo,

Baron can go there. Like he would be a good dude to be around white people, you know, because he had went to like an integrated school. So he was like, Yo, he probably need a chance to like be out this ship and being around white people. And now my grandmother, one of my good friends, got killed on the bus stop the year before I graduated from sixth grade, so like, ship is hot, you know what I mean? And she like, we gotta figure out a way to like not not

put this food on the bus, you know what. I mean like I'm hearing the conversations, but it's only you. Still gotta get on the bus Monday't game? Right? You feel what I'm saying? And like that bus stop is hot. That's the hottest bus stop, you know, from from two o'clock to eight o'clock in the morning. You know what I mean. And so that was like, yeo, what about crossroads? So my grandfather rest in peace. He was in his

last year living. He used to get up in the morning, Bro, I'll show you a god, how good God is, and drive me to Manchester and Crenshaw that used to come from Inglewood. Pick me up on Manchester and Crenshaw, take me the crossroads right then come back, double back and go all the way to bird Back. And so it was like an experiment. I learned a lot of ship.

I learned a lot of ship about just like race in general, you know what I mean at cross roads like my homeboy and I don't know even though if I can say this ship, but my homeboy taught me how to you know, tag and draw gang songs, and the Nina taught me how to make a swastika. So I'm in class. I'm just like doodling and ship and the girls started crying and I'm like, what's she She's like, You're crazy. And that's when I learned, like, damn, that's

not good, you know what I mean. I learned a lot of things from Crossroads, right, I learned a lot of things. I learned, like, you know what a gay person really was, you know what I mean, Like as far as like in the hood is one thing, you know what I mean, But then over here it was like celebrating. I was trying. And then it made me understand why the kid in my neighborhood was like that, but also like you get more fucking with me, you know what I mean, or hurt like you know what

I mean. But she, you know, it was a lot of animosity like as she was like as he was transition into her and he used to fund people up, you know what I mean. And so I learned that from Crossroads, you know what I mean. I started learning about other cultures and like breaking down stereotyp because they was asking me too, who who was I? So I had to break down my stereotype too. So that was kind of like how God kind of worked and got

me in that schools. It was. It was that basically saying he could play at a five three at five three point guard in high school at cross shows, talk to us about the basketball side. You started off a small dude. We was talking before you even got to like a little bear and little bear and grew talk to us about just your game and your growth. I

just let a game. I always had a crazy imagination that was five three and ninth grade, five five and thirty pounds in tenth grade like five eight or five nine and eleven, and I just like I just kept I kept growing. And once I got I think I was in ten graand was like five five six, I dunked and I dunked on all my and once I figured out I conduct, I started like playing my teammates one on one and Ship and started dunking on him.

And like once I figured out, like, oh Ship, I can dunk like I dunk on the dunk course, it was over. And then you know, I would say just basketball wise, like being small, like I always had heart, you know, I always had defense. Like but it's just like once I started growing, and Ship, you're playing with the pros now like U C l A. You know what I mean you're traveling. I was going to Man, I'm trying to catch your fade anywhere I can, you know what I mean, Like, I'm trying to catch your fade.

And I remember in Crossroads my senior year, I used to drive from Crossroads to Long Beach and because Pat Barrett had the gym open and and Tyson Chandler and keeling him was my little dog, Cedric Boseman. So I used to go practice with them in Long Beach and then I you know, circle back, come home, sleep, and I was like my routine. I was just I was just hungry for a gym, you know what I'm saying.

You're you experienced What was that like? Because you played in the time when AU basketball in l A Was having a lot of big hitters coming out of this way. What was that experience? Like? It was dope? It was dope because you got you know, you got Corey you like Pat Barry, got Jilani Shay Losing Me Man Jason Hard Like they was stacked, you know what I'm saying.

And it was like really like the first wave of a you So you had a Nike team and Adida's team, you had slamming jam and then we was Kay Swiss and we have Paul and so it was like the first time people like really started recruiting dudes like we we flew kg out to l A. You know what I mean to play with I want to hear your version of because he was telling us too, yes, all right, so that we want to attempt like that. Was like, yeah, we're gonna get Tim Thomas because I used to ride

with that all the time. He was like, we're gonna get Tim Thomas. I was like, oh, ship. So I used to like read these dudes in magazine and he was like, no, I've seen this dude in South Carolina, this dude Kevin Garnett, You're gonna be the number one player in the country. And I was like, man, all right, cool, Like so Kevin Garnett flying in. So Kevin gar Net get there and this is you know, he gets to the gym before us. This food got all kind of case wiz bro. This thing he got a hole like

like maybe like twenty boxes. I don't know if he tells y'all. Nik is walking to the gym, like, yo, who is it? Who is this dude listening in? The number one player in the country. Man, get the funk out of here, you know what I mean. So everybody, everybody is saying that, and he just over there, you know so so so man practice start bro And we was younger, so we practiced against turned Paul, so they,

you know, they used to always get us. But for some strange reason, like they was beating the ship out of us, you know what I mean. And Kevin Garnette was blocking our three pointers. It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. Like he was standing in like damn there and like in the dotted and I pulled up for three and he was jumping and smacking that ship. Dude. I swear to god, it was crazy. And then everybody was like, okay, we see why he did number you know what, like this my dog.

And then they took me home that night and he was obsessed with menis to society. I remember that, and he kept saying, like I take a double burger with cheese. We took him to rallies. That was like his first time that rallies. Yeah, it was me and him and Paul in the car and like I was saying, you know, it's crazy to see how they bard was you know what I mean, Like, you know, because they was older, so you can see them bonding and and now for them to play on the same team with the Celtics

and win it. You know, it was like they wanted in Vegas together. You know, we was all able to see that. But like KG like kind of like he just opened everybody is you know what I mean, Like his energy, you know, terms start picking bro, he made everybody turn was the dictator. Turn was hard. Turn was like my big bro who I like. You know, we played on in the same backcourt, but he was older. So when he went and play with the older squad,

like I was right and die. So I like when you see me play, you know, and like you know when I lose it, you know what I mean, I am very similar at the time, you know what I'm saying. So he kind of like that's how I like, I'm like to kind of him couple my homies like that that gangster mentality, you know what I mean. It's just like y'all all right, I like fun the game. Let's just go outside, you know what I mean, Like I want to be that mad or not. You know what

I'm saying. You know what I mean? So you you know, you picked up every accolade you count, possibly can ninety seven get Ready Player of the Year, McDonald's All American, you know, sprite slam dunk contest, Mr Basketball headed to u C l A. Who else was recruiting you? Was there ever a chance for anyone else? Duke? I was gonna go to Duke for real. But you know, Coach Coach Ka his mom was sick. I think he wrote

about me in his book. But I don't you know, I don't funk with Coach Okay, you're sucker to me. Oh my mom, his mom was sick. And you know you're a young high school kid, You're like, fuck dog. Coach k is like he's everything. I'm rocking, dude ship. But when his mind got sick, like it made me miss my grandma, and like Quinn, Quinn Snyder, that's my dog, you know what I mean? Because he was just like

the dude. I was like, man, I'm right or die fucking with Like I'm fucking with what Coach k and Quinn Snyder and you know what I mean, whatever they got like, that's it gonna take me to the moon, you know what I mean. But when Coach k Mam was sick. That made me be like, damn dog, I can't leave home, you know what I mean. And at the same time it was a lot of ship the other ship going on in l A two. That was just like, if I leave and some ship happened, I

ain't gonna feel good. So I might as well be here. And if some ship happened, at least I'm here to try and stop it, or you know, you know what I mean, and like take my people and my more importantly my family into another space. You know, you have one of the most memorable legendary recruiting trips us here, Like can you tell us about it? I only got into the squad now one. I mean, whatever story you want to say, Hey do that ship was crazy. We just hey, bro, I go up there all the time.

Now on my visit, they decide we went and played uh flag football with the uh with the softball tea and they beat us uh. And then we were just hanging out and we go to the baseball It was like a fried house and next thing, you know, like it was a big gass tussling. We were just boxing with like fort forty big old baseball dudes and Uh, it was it was me hem him and him, him and him, you know, I you know what I'm saying. But like I remember, I was standing the little Legend.

Dudes was coming out, hey bro, and it was like damn near Like it was like, oh U c l A students. I was confused, but like I was writing the mix, you know what I mean. And so it was like fifty It was like almost like fifty dudes. It was like eight or nine of us, and you know, it was just trying to make peace. And I got into a fight on my first day of school too. Uh, the day before school, we got into a fight with some dudes. That's when you came from the in front

of the doors. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what time it is. You remember what what happened the first time we met. What what we was doing were throwing South off the So we get to the hotel, were, uh fifteen sixteen, right, hey dude. That was I don't know why. I don't know why I was involved in that. That didn't even that was like really out of my character. But we was fifteen sixteen. We're checking out hotel. We find nothing, absolutely nothing to do. So we are about

the fifteen floor. Bro, We're gonna get all the lotion and so out of the bathroom and start chunking at people in the lobby. Was one of the open hotels, like it was the best thing in the world. That we started via McKenney Bruner and whateverbody you said, you said, you tell before he got here. He said, one day he picked you up and had you run through the hood doing everything you shouldn't have been doing. I was

telling myself, I said this, I got introduced to California. You, Jason Thomas and Kenny Bruning and y'all had me everywhere I was supposed to be in l a everyone I was supposed to be. Facts. Shout out Kenny Bruner, though, man, But besides your shout at Kenny Bruner, Jason Thomas, that's all the trick, lug besides being close to home, what else attracted you to besides just like I was there every day. My sister I worked there, and I got

to you know, it was they had Gilani. Chris Johnson told me, and I was like, damn, I'm about to walk in and like be able to like rock with these dudes, you know what I mean? They have a chance to win the national championship. I'm home and all my little homeboys that I was like jigging, you know, extra tickets, like man, like just put your name on the recruiting list just for all of the l A dudes to be able to come to the U c.

L A games. Was like, I can't leave them, you know what I mean, So maybe I can be the dude that like make the l A guard started staying home and ship like that, because like Louse was coming. We was trying to get Jason Hard to leave Syracuse and come, you know, so we was just gonna have we was gonna be Yeah, it was gonna be Guard, you know what I mean. It was gonna be Guard University again. Especially you got Glani you got you know what I mean, You got Chris Johnson, Toby Bailey j R. Henderson.

They had a whip already, you know what I mean. So he was like, Yo, I can step into this and like we got a chance. Then they get sucked it up. Yeah yeah, damn outside of the up my nation the championship. Fucking with these niggers, man, outside of the basketball part, he should have went to do you were trying to, like your aura kind of like your status. Like Baron was kind of like the guyfather there even though he was like maybe one year older than us.

But like on road trips, we go see Baron, if you needed some money, let me hold a couple of what you need. He pull out a big old stack of money. Beat was the first one with the dope car, the dope apartment, the leather TVs. The based like you got you got, asked I'll pull up in the skin hunting on some twos in the summer time with the pros and was like, you gotta go home, bro, that is not Hey, I'm from here. This is the first big body expedition on twenties and twenty two as I've

seen it was. Remember that had some speakers in the back, so I had some jangkie ass speakers. So we used to go to the rocks. Remember that we used to pull up to the Roxy, but the speakers would cut off, so you have to you have to go in the back seat and slammed the back door for the ship to come back home. So we're pulling out Sunset passing though hen sugar free acts. Smack it as soon as we get in front of the the clip over the door,

close the door bad. You know, you're always trying to floss in college and Ship and Niggers was always like left left hanging right outside the club. That car was sucked up and tied at the purple people leader tied out a purple tied at a purple blazer bro the color of Barney. People used to take that on day. So it used to be like your first deck car and then if you like it, you could get my car. But you make sure he slammed that backed up girl had that red pt killer. He was raping somebody on

first got it. Remember the pret cruisers from Gilanni had a car that had tickets on it. You know it was a jeep, but you can't tell what color it was because it had so many tickets. They never touched the car. Rico. Rico is like that too. You tell about one of our producers. Gilanni is over here, This Gilanni right here. He had so many tickets. He had a boot. I remember I got a boot before the Syracuse game. Remember that that ship was sucked up. I got a boot up pulling the tunnel. I thought I

was flossing. They gave me a boot. I had to get his car stuck down in the tunnel and Dick Vitale all these dudes walking in, like, Yo, I think you got hu had to go pay them parking tickets. That ship was fun. You had a h you posted something recently, but I remember when it happened when jay Z wore your jersey that summer. The black One talk to us about that. I mean, you will alway is really in touch with that outside celebrity world like you was.

I mean, like you said you use from that, like you know, I mean you got the heart beat l A. So yeah, the honey Ivory came over and he uh he had brought hip hop and so were cold. Yeah, that's my dog every yeah ivery man hip hop was like, man, what y'all drinking? We was like nigga twinkle toes. We used to call Andre's twinkles like pouring pouring in the glass. That ship looked like Chris a ship. So He's like nigging that's Andre drinking. Ya ain't drinking Chris style, and

like we cool. I was like in college, we ain't doing it like that. And so he was like, Yo, you want to go meet jay Z. Jay Z want to wear your jersey? That was like for real. He was like hell yeah, jay Z because at the time people was like it was right before people start really rocking jerseys. So we go to Cafe mass We all all up as many can fit in the car. Though we walk in kicked it for a little bit, said it was up to Jay. I gave me my black U c l A jersey and jersey they hated too.

He dog the tradition the older the older heads that they hated that jersey too. Go ahead, yeah, So I gave him the black one and then I gave him a white one and he was like, oh yeah, I appreciate you, dog, like I funk with y'all and like the whole team. We saw him pull off in his range and that was and then we went to the concert. And then at the concert he popped up with the jersey. Everybody was going crazy, but it was dumb. I got a chance to me like method man and read me.

I remember at the time. I was like, man, I funk what you read man? He was like you my nigg. I was like hell yeah. He was like drink and gave me some hennessy. I was like, yesterday, right, I forgot who else was there, but like it was, it was a bunch of people when he was like backstage, that ship was cool. And jay Z showed us a lot of love, and he had always showed love, you know, He's always been like a solid dude, you know what I'm saying. Thoughts of this year's U c l A

team and how they perform. I liked him, man. I thought that they were consistent with who they were the whole the whole year. I thought, you know, with all adversity that they have been been through, they made it to the final four. They got a diverse team, you know what I mean. The coach is like a dude like you want to play for you know what I mean,

Like I want to coach. It's like into it and into his players and in the winning and coaching you up, and like they love them for us as you see l A as like an alumni former players ship like that, it kind of make you put your guard down, you know what I mean, and be like, yo, I ain't ship right now. Let's pour all our energy into these dudes.

And and and so you know, they don't know what they did, but they brought a lot of dudes together because a lot of us like love U c l A. You know, we live in we live in breathe the u c l A. Right. We all want to be connected, and that gave everybody else that wasn't playing opportunity to reconnect, you know, especially during the pandemic and ship where you feel like you lost. It's like, yeah, okay, I still

got a home. So now I'm going back to school ship, you know, and I signed up to go back to school. I saw Kenny Donaldson, so I'm like, all right, bro, I got I got finished. You're gonna go back on campus. Earl did that. I was thinking about doing that, just got too busy. We gotta do it, you know what I mean, like a forty year old uh college students like Rodney Danger. Yeah, back to school. So you decide two years. First year, great freshman year, packed ten freshman,

the year you hurt your nee in the tournament. My freshman year is your sophomore. You come into season a little bit late on one leg at the beginning, but was still absolutely amazed. I remember that Washington game where you went behind your back one play, made the fat dude jump the way out the way, anything to beat him up before the game. Yeah, yeah, remember me and you almost fought the whole crowd in Oregon that one time, and they was trying to bully us, and then you're

having that don't time my color so tough? So you decided to take your talents from U c l A To the NBA? What what? Why did you feel like it was time? I wanted to come back, dude? I needed some money, bro, you know what I mean. It was like that was it and I needed the money and I didn't want to get hurt. But I did want to come back because we had lost in the

first round obviously, damn dog. But you know, going to the league was like always a dream, like but I really wanted to stay that last I wanted to stay one more year because if y'all don't remember that, I used to call y'all motherfucker's all the time, Like, Yo, I hate it out here, ro averaging sixteen minutes a gang coming off the bench. This is no fun, Homy.

But it taught me a lot, and I think like being around Eddie Jones rest in peace, Bobby Fields, going through that, you know what I mean, and then like never starting it made me so hungry that next year dog. When I came back to l A, I was just like, who ever wants to fade, let's go, bro, I'm taking one. Oh, I'm lining people up in the gym. I started bringing all the high school kids to the gym with me,

lining them up, you know. And I was just on the mission and like, you know, I'm determined to be somebody after that, after that rookie year. But I didn't really want to go. And so I think that kind of like funk with me my whole rookie year because I was like, and then y'all made a run in the tournament. It was just like that ship was just always like, yeah, I should have been home. I should have been home, but it actually made me a man. I mean, third pick in the draft. You go to Charlotte.

Rip Haimon had told a funny story about draft day, how he you made him fire his agent because you came into his room where he was in the room with you. You gave him the whole down what happened, and it happened, and he's like, how the fund the baron though, Hey, fucking rip Uh. We was because we were just all hanging out and you know, I'm nosy, bro, something like, yeah, what's going on in the draft? What's

the movement? And then we was all just kind of kicking and you know how dudes be like popping ship. So I go knock on Rip, like, hey, bro, like I think you're about to go to Washington. He was like, you mean, like who told you that? I was like, man, I'm worry about it. You know what I mean. I'm telling you that, like you know what I'm saying, Like you ain't really you know, you know that's what you know?

Trust me, trust me that I got your back. I found out it was like the day before because we was all walking in the lobby and you know the day before the draft they start really like placing dudes and like placing the trays and ship like that. And I was into all that ship. So I kept calling On because I was trying to get traded to the Lakers, and so I remember On was going back and forth with Charlotte. He was like, look, man, if he if you're drafted, he what if he goes overseas? What if

he does this? And Paul Silas said, if he there, we're gonna drive him. And he does show his ass uthing and so I was like, man, if we could just pull off the trade. And then the Vancouver thing happened with Steve Francis, and like we was trying to put I was trying to get in the mix of that. Um so I just like start finding out where everybody was gonna be positioned, and I started telling everybody, and Britt was like how he was the only one was like, yo,

how to funk you know? This ship? And he was pissed and he did for are his agents? What was any many white ship? He was definitely a pioneer in that space too. We'll get to that later. What was the Steve Steve Francis ship? He got drafted BT couver and did wouldn't go, right, Yeah, he wouldn't go. So that was supposed to be, Like I was trying to get in that, Like, oh, I ain't going either, you

know what I mean? He went to Yeah, so Steve basically he forced his hand, forced Vancouver's hand, and then that's how Steve wind up in Houston Michael Dickerson, and that's how the Houston things started. So they because Vancouver already had Mike Babie, right, you know what I mean? So Steve was like Why the funk Am I going to Vancouver with Mike Baby and they had the reef. I believe, like they had a squad, you know what I mean? They had they were and Vancouver was a

great city. But then when they did that, it kind of like that was a fall of Vancouver because it was just like it wasn't gonna hold, like they were saying, it wasn't gonna hold. Superstar, Welcome to the NBA moment. What is it? Probably John Stockton? He cooked you. He like stole the ball from me, Like, oh he didn't cookie, just throwing the ball from you. So he just like really like imagine like just getting in the game and you look up trying to get an inbound pass and

that ship gone. You think you gotta steal on it, Like, man, I gotta steal that ship go. And then like I was only in the game for like I could have played like eight minutes to night, but like the first two minutes it was just turnover, turnover, turnover, bucket and one and one, And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Go back in the same ship. You just couldn't find him, bro. It was almost like it was embarrassing the smartest and then I would say the

other one was Stephan Marlberry. He was killing us. But I was, you know, I'm a rookie coming off the bench and uh he did something. He was like yeah and one and he looked at me. He was like, yeah, you don't won't known to this. You can't guard me. And Elden Campbell was like, oh, you're gonna let him talk to you like that. So I'm on the bench hot. I'm on the bench hot, I'm ready to fight everything. Uh but that was like he was cooking me too. Yeah,

that was it. I mean other than that, I say my first game cross Way and turn our preseason, I go off the duck and never nervous Pervis Allison took a charge and not custom ever nervous. It's like seven foot motherfucker, what you're doing taking a charge? When you

first come into the league. Who are some of the key man you didn't play as much of so your second year once you really start rocket, who are some of the key matchups you're looking forward to because you played in a in a crazy time where it was ai a young day, Steve Nash, Gilbert, you name it. People was out there all of them, all of them at Chris paul In there Williams at Darren Williams at Jason Kidd, add Nick van Naxel at Rod Strickland as Sam Casale. Uh, these are all the people we lost

to in the playoffs. Uh ship who else? Damon stodolm Meyer dog. It was. It was era of every night, Mike Bibby, Like You're getting a different look from a different point guard every night. And then you gotta go against the Greg Anthony's and the Charlie Wards who are like, you know, more defensive minded that Eric Snow's defensive mindy Mark Jackson. I played against Mark Jackson. So all these like great point guards that you you know, you kind of watch growing up, you know what I mean? It

was It was crazy. But Sam Cassell was was called bloody bro Sam Cansell was called bloody. Steve Nash was called blooded. It was a lot. It was a lot. It was a lot. You made the playoffs your first five years? What is it like you thinking like every year, you know, okay, we made it, U you made like that with it? What did it just become normal for you? Yeah? It was um man, it was like we had a chance like every year we showed up, we felt like we were just good. We had some good teams, and

we felt like we could make it. Because if you get to the playoffs and you get the matchup you want, like we felt we can yeah, and even if it was a tough matchup and a lot of those series we just lost in seven and you know, like the games could have went either way. And we had a real vet squad that, like them Folds, just turned it up a notch and got like, hella quick, more athletic in the playoffs and I'm like, oh, ship, let's go, you know what I mean. But it was just like

we felt we could win every year. You know, we felt like we could upset and you know in advance. But in that era, everybody was trying to get to playoffs because they felt like they were good enough, you know what I mean. Most memberle Playoffs series, most memorable Playoffs series outside do we believe? Of course? Sure, I would say the Orlando series, you know, knocked off Mac

right when we knocked off t Mac. That's that's the year that I got myself to Max, you know what I mean, that was my f You got yourself to Max and I think that's important. Yeah, because you know

you're going into the series my Ashburn gets hurt. He had vertigo, so it's pretty much all of my you know, it was I was next in line, and so when we when we beat the Mavericks in that series, it was almost like, you know, I had I think the last two games, I had two triple doubles, you know what I mean to like close them out in Orlando, and I just remember on the bus everybody was like they are you're about to get the Max. You wanted to get the Max. He was like, Yo, You're about

to get the MAX. And it was like why do you need that? And then the conversation was like why you need an agent? You know, if you're gonna get a MAX, Like why would you get age into money like they they got a sign you because we was moving because we basically got kicked out of Charlotte UM and then moved to New Orleans like forest Hand to basically take the best player with him. And so that ship was crazy, bro. It was like one of the

craziest thing. You find your agent and negotiated your own deal. Yeah, basically I walked into my agent office with a suit and I was just like, yeah, you know what I mean. I was like, yeah, I want to do this by myself, from start my own agency, represent myself. And he was like, good luck. I think you're making you know, a big mistake. And I was like, well, you know whatever, I'm I got. You know, I'm gonna keep this six percent and learn

from it, you know what I mean? And so that's six percent for me was always like what I was gonna use to build my agency to like invest in me, to like invest in a movie, whatever it is. You know what I mean that I really wanted to do. That was that what that six percent? And that sixth percent can also go to my family, you know what I mean? And like what I want to do for my family to help, you know, invest in my family and ship talk about the culture change going from Charlotte

to New Orleans. Charlotte to New Orleans, it was there was no stability, Like you go. Charlotte was a basket you know, North Carolinas basketball country. New Orleans is a party city and a tourist city, right, and so New Orleans was not built for a basketball team. New Orleans

was built for football, right. It is st. St. St. So even with us coming, like, there are no Fortune five hundred companies, there are no forts A two D companies, So the sponsorships, the things like that, it was just hella Jankee, I think and I still believe Entergy is the largest company down in that area. And other than that, you got like Smoothie King and like uh not Bojangles, but Popeye's and he had a bunch of chains. So you got like local business people, you know what I

mean around the team. And there's no high you know, there's no high net worth sponsors to actually carry the team. So you know, we practice in West we Go like and a goddamn like rec center until they built, you know, until they built finally, like a whole practice reality, but like we would share our bathroom was a public bathroom, you know what I mean, And it was like ship. Our showers was kind of like public showers. You know. It would be an n R A meeting and we

got a practice, you know what I'm saying. And so you know they'be having a little craft services and I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go over there and get me some of that ship. They're like, man, they're gonna shoot, you know, so it's just all kind of shi happening, you know what I mean. And then in the arena, in the arena, like we weren't really getting a draw, you know, and like the amenities and ship like that. So it was just like they was like filling it in as we

was going. But we had a good team though. We had a good team. And then like you know, they made the transition with bar Scott and then after that, like it just went. It wasn't no good for me at that point, no more. But New Orleans was crazy because I had you know, that's how I invested in vitamin water because they had my like a fat head. I think I had it on the whole side of the arena, you know what I mean. It's like the whole arena was bad. That was it. You pulled from

the airport as Beat, I go a billboard. Okay, that's another b D billboard. That's the bed and the team. Okay, that's two players. Okay, here go Beat points to beat. And they wrapped the arena, no bullshit. They wrapped the arena with a big gass fat head, you know what I mean. And so you know, you could tell me ship, you know what I'm saying, uh, and that's I remember when Vitamin Water came, they was like, we don't have

no money from marketing. And I was like, Brian trub and you see all these like ship, I got you, and that's how I like took a chance on them. But it was like New Orleans, like it was crazy because like all of a sudden, like I was thrown out there. Both of our owners was like fighting over who's owning the team. So I like after practice, they'd be like, oh, you gotta come to this cocktail reception, gotta go with this dude. I gotta go over here with this dude. It's like, what does he tell you?

What you Yeah? My second I remember the second year in New Orleans. I remember that George Shen. You know, I knew he had financial problems. So I was like, uh, you know, Mr Shan, I I just forfeit my last two years. You know my next two years that's about you know, twenty five million, and then I just invested in the team and be your partner. And he just like he wanted to say, get your black ass, you know what I mean? But hey, dog, it was it was fair like it was fair like yo, I give

my contract back. I know you've got some financial problems. Like you and homeboy over here, you ain't really see an eye of eye. And I know you got this this loan, you know what I mean. Man, he put in on that dog, I'm the highest paid. Ain't like that. He did not like that. And so that's like when ship starts spiraling down. When they started asking me to do goofy ship, like, uh, tell everybody on the team you to put their hand over their heart for the

national anthem and ship like that. I was like, hey, bro, I can't tell nobody to do nothing, you know what I mean. And they started making like a little issues like that. And then like you know, and that's the same era in time when t O was doing all that, you know what I mean, and like just athletes was like acting out. It was like, because one, you're asking the wrong dude, you know what I mean. You want me to ask David West to put this in even

though you're rookie. You want me to tell a W West you have to put your hand over your heart, you know, for the national anthem. Man. It was like, man, get the funk out of here. You also developed a relationship with little Wayne out there, talk to us about that. Yeah, whyn't that's my dog, you know what I mean? Like, I know you was big in the wrap. I remember this one time, just quick story. You see that he

was taking me to the train station or something. This motherfucker was driving fastest fun rapping and writing in his notebook at the same time. Bro Die, Yeah, man, if it shout out to Wayne, I think Wayne kind of gave me the bug to start rapping. So we built a little booth. I forgot what that ship was called the cave t What was that called the cage? Yeah, we caught. We had the cage. We built a little cave j'all. But Wayne, you know we uh, he used to kick it with us all the time, Me and Turn.

You know, he really used to kick it with time because I'd be at practice. But term Coppo, Wayne, Molly, all of them, you know what I mean. Because when when I got there, it was like, you know, you get introduced to like the O. G. S. And that I got introduced the baby Slam no limit dudes, you know what I mean. So I met all of you know, make sure I made me the soldiers slam. Rest in peace, Dog, that was my dog. That was the first I was like the first real dude that I was, you know,

I locked in with. But you know, you meet all ogs, all the street dudes, make sure. But Wayne and Time and Coppo, they was all just like, yeah, they was tight. And so we're sitting around the house, you know, and dudes coming in from l A. We're sharing like stories and ship like that and war stories and turn time of his stories in the death Row days, you know what I mean. And Wayne was like he was eating all that ship up, you know what I mean. He was sh up, he was taking that ship up, you

know what I mean. And plus like where he was from, he was already like moving, you know what I mean, he was already moving. So like they were just like their own little like they was their own crew, you know what I mean. I just tap in with them every now and again, and then you know, I just happened to be, you know, one of wayne favorite players at the time, and so like it was just like it was love, you know what I mean. Like Wayne, like to this day, that's that's like my brother, you

know what I mean. Whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever, that's that's like my dog, and then I was trying to get Game. I remember I was trying to get game. What was it far? When we was we trying to do Black Wall Streets South and get Game and Wayne to partner up because Wayne was trying to get out that first contract with a baby, and he was talking to jay Z and we was all at the moro. I was like, man, I give you some bread dogs, start youlling ship. You know what I mean. But we

was all just talking about it and Ship. I never forget that. I was like, man, what if we did Blackwall Street sound for I forget what it was. But we was all like business, business was on the money. That's good. So your transition from New Orleans to Golden State, how'd that happened? Basically? I like burned all my resources and had to kick me out. Yeah, because I told Allan Bristow. I said, like he thought he was gonna

rush me. When I said, hey, bro, you take two more steps, I'm gonnahoop your ass in front of everybody in this gym. And after that they had to trade me. He was running down. I was like, take two more sets, my fucking you up. He stuck. He was like hey, he was stuck on that step and by Scott was like, Yo, what's going on? I was like, Man, I'm out of here, Man, get me up out of here. I ain't got no time.

Allan Bristow told me that I thought I was God's gift to basketball, and I was like, man, I can't deal with you, bro. You know what I mean. You already feel like a right is due to me anyway, So man, you need to shut the funk up and trade me, you know what I mean? Because I whip your ass at the practice over, you know what I mean? You know what I mean. That's exactly what I taught him, man. He was, Yeah, it's like you know how they do you, bro, You know you know how they trying to do you.

And if it wasn't for Crossroads, I wouldn't have had that part, like to be able to articulate myself right in the room. And it just pissed him off because it's like, you ain't gonna one. You ain't gonna shake me down, you know what I mean. Like it's your money, you know what I'm saying. You gave it to me, so too. I don't even need all this ship, you know what I'm saying, so they would get frustrated, right, even like George, she like machine. He was pissed that

I offered to buy buy. That's that's the best way I describe you to a lot of people. I say it just grew up in competent, went the crossroads and ended up in crossroads. Go to you mix all that up, you go, I'm starting to understand it. To accept that ship, you know what I'm saying. So to move to the Bay, what was that like? One? I did not want to go to Golden State because at one point it was like l A dudes and Bay dudes, Like you know, the stereotype is like we didn't funk with each other.

It was always like a rivalry from Kyle and all that. But I always had good games that Golden State. And so when I got to Golden State, it was like dead, bro, I'm talking about dead. They said, what do you think? I said, Man, that ship feel like a fucking mortuary every day coming up practice. You know what I mean? He know before you got there, and when you got there, it was like fixed a lot of it. Hey dog,

when I walked in, that motherfucking dog. They was not trying to play no, God, man, they was trying to make every excuse in the world not to get on the court and hoop. And then when we got on the court, them Foods has so much ship going on that it was just like done leaving. I remember he had a thing with the crowd, and I was like, man, I mean the fucking cry like you know, people used to funk with him and like, oh god, I used

to they like they like, you know. But it was like a love hate relationship with Duneley because he was drafted so high. Jason Richardson, he was dealing with injury and we all know Jay rich Ja rich If he can walk, if he can jog, he gonna play. So when I got there, I was like, Jay rich you need to sit down, my nigga. If I'm rocking me

and you're gonna rock, you gotta sit down, bro. You can't be coming out here like I just dealt with that ship and I'm coming off an injury, you know, playing and so I could start coming off the bench and you know, you got Derek Fisher there, you know, and he you know, you know, Derek Fisher, he a company guys men, He want to be the president. So he wanted everything to be equal terms, you know what I mean. But he is solidly like, he is solid teammate.

He's hell of the teammate that I could dare you. He was solid as as as a basketball as, not as a dude, not as a I'm just saying I ain't up playing with when y'all saying that I just went left, I'm living with you, you know what I'm saying. Like he was hell of professional, Like he showed up to work every day. He was hella diplomatic, you know what I mean. But Mike Montgomery and like whatever, and Troy Murphy was just like, god damn bro, he was

just like fucking like depressed the whole time. So I'm like, yo, this ship is like a corpse. So it's like I had to get in there and one sort of start to get healthy. We went eight in a row in the year, you know what I mean. And so now everybody like feeling jewice, feeling you know, feeling feeling great. Yeah, and now we bring Mike Montgomery back for the second year, and then that's when you start seeing like, you know, the bitch and everybody again, you know what I mean.

And it was a lot of that ship where it was team meetings and they was like, yo, beat, you know you don't practice. And I was like, what do you mean I do on practice? Bro? We got two rookies. What am I practicing the whole practice for? They need to work right, and it's me and d Fensh. I take a day off. He takeing, like defense, you need a day off. Let's let these dudes get the work in and let us work. No, but he wasn't. So

everybody was playing politics. And then we had a team meeting and everybody was like pointing fingers, you know, but not nobody want to point no fingers. So I was like, man, who got something to say? I was like, man, y'all some suckers. And that's when they got Montgomery album. Molly come to me. He was like, don't trip. We're gonna figure it out. And then that's for me and and Matt length and then that's how we come into it into the next year with Nellie. And that was a

crazy story. So I'm in between. I'm in should I was on the way y'all really coming off two and a half years and really not playing, and I'm at home a Sacramento and beat hits me up the morning of like, oh, bro, we're hooping down here, Come up. I'm like, hurry up, shower hopping the car, drive an hour half and go down there and play. Not knowing that uh you know, Nellie was watching the whole time.

They had already had something crazy like eighteen people coming to training camp and sixteen guarantees like I can't promise you nothing, but you go out here and play like you did today, I'll give you a chance. And that's all I needed. So that's kind of the start of that. That's kind of started that beginning of that seat. And so I worked my way from like the last dude on the bench and started playing well enough to trade

don Levy and Murphy. And then if you wouldn't start playing well, we wouldn't never they would have never did Matt. I say, Matt, hey, bro, these niggas ain't good. Bro, you know what I mean, Like if you come mean, just rock with me, dog, like I'm telling you, like I know what you can do. Because I needed somebody else that could like facilitate to think with you know what I mean. And like when we was in college, we like if he want to press I'm already there,

so we was already in sync. And I was like, man, I'm telling you, Dog and ship gonna work and this food start bawling. Dog. I swear to god, he was winning guys for us, and it was like it wasn't expected because of like how he came in and then all of a sudden, it's like he's starting now. He'd a bona fide six man. It was just like Nellie could almost do because of hot Matt started. He felt like he could do whatever he wanted with Matt. But Matt was successful in any fucking thing, even if he

didn't play. He was still intrical, so you know how he is on the you know what I mean, just like and then that led to like, all right, we gotta play him. Then remember the Philly game. I was like, hey, bro, that food. How many threes you hit? Like we play Philly? We just thinking about it. What it was funny we just talked about because I was like, man, uh it was one of the coaches. He was like, I can't

stand out again, cheeks. And I was like, man, yeah, you know, I'm like mo chix here let god like, but funck him. Dog, Let's go No no, no offense, Cheks, but you know that mentality, Like my dog was like I got more points in my career to Moe Cheeks. So no, but my dog was righting and when he was right and I was like, man, I was feeding that food the ball he had like six threes. He was doing some crazy shit and I was like, that's

what I'm talking about. And then after that, Molly was like, Yo, we're gonna make a move, you know what I mean, because we gotta get some more energy. He was like, what you think about stack Jack? And now I was like, hell, yeah, this mother land on the hospital bit ship. You was hurt at the time though right where you hurt. They didn't know, they didn't know. We knew each other because we are the whole time. Don't break that down because

I obviously I wasn't privy to the information at the time. Well, first of all, we was already talking now brother, But Stephen, Stephen, ye, that guy, what's up? That's what? Yeah? What was you just coming off? At that time? I was coming off. I was coming out shootout, still club, getting all my teeth knocked out, getting hit by a car, having plastic surgery for two hours with no anesthesia. I called him immediately.

But look, this is this is one of the craziest phone called my turn, my boy beat They called me on time after everything. They're gone at my mom's FOW. I can't really talk, you know, I've been fighting everything. Soon as I lay in a bed, you know, and trying to relax room, you know, my phone rain Hello, It's term of b D. You're good food were on the way, Yeah I can't. I was like, oh, good, good, all right, we just want to turn with the background bad were all the way. I said, now I'm good,

but they called to check them. But I always want to say that when I got traded, they didn't know that. Man, Beatie was are you know what I'm saying? Was already cool. They were just trading to make your team. But they didn't know our relationship because I had think. I remember I talked to Mars yea. I was like, all right, Stack the night up. I was like, all right, Stack, one, ain't we know you to really know? All right? You know what I mean? You trump everybody? You win? You

know what I mean? You win, bro, and it ain't gonna be and it ain't gonna be another now Ann come through, like you, bro, it's time to stop. I got him, and it's crazy because that because he's still in Indiana. I'm like, yo, bro, you alright, alright enough bro, you're trying to like are you trying to die? You know what I mean? Like, Yo, you do have a lot of money, and like ship on, like come on, man, like ship man with me. You have nothing to prove, you have nothing. I was like, mom, I got him.

I'm gonna be responsible for him, you know, like I'm gonna make sure. And he was like, man, I got you, fine, got you in any And then we wanted him trade and that was like a whole little ship in the background. Like I didn't like to trade. At first. I was mad. He had just got bad. Yeah, he had just got back to Yeah he was mad. That's why he was mad. I was mad. He was like bad fun man, I just got here. Bro. Now Jack got traded again. But walk us through that time like once they a rod.

Because we didn't jail right away. I missed the first seven games when we got there, suspended. Yes, yeah, I had missed. I was suspended seven games and then I got hurt. Did you see this motherfucker? I said, miss he gonna get a rate suspended. Yeah, different because you didn't really you didn't really snow games from being hurt. You missed games for being suspended. Yeah for real, don for real, all the games you missed was suspending. Yeah,

you ain't never missed. You missed seven the year we went like forty nine and whatever, it was forty two and forty two then, and it was some seven games. You guys suspended that ship. You know what I mean when you think about it, like we needed you, bro, it was everything, you know what I mean? It was everything when y'all came, it was just a new energy. Man.

Y'all had like the energy was there, but I had just like kind of like all right, man, I like at least were good enough, you know what I mean, y'all motherfucker's came like rolly motherfucker's up like Peaches and like I'm like, oh my yeah, yeah, Peaches gag banging like with like a week mercy. I don't finally got these dudes settling in and like playing around now. Peaches coming to practice, so rude, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh fun. Yeah, shout out my features man. That's my boy man. That's

really like that kind of energy. That was the kind of energy that y'all brought to the team. And like I said, once we kind of figured it out a little bit. What was the Detroit where we kind of got it. It was Detroit that was that game because being scared, it was scared, it was good. It was just what it was. But he came in the locker room after that game was a Washington game. No, no, at the Detroit game. You came in the locker room

because we went a game. He was like, bro, we can really turn And we talked about the whole playing right home, we can really turn this. We stayed up and we was talking about like yo, damn, like if these dudes couldn't funk with us, you know what I mean, Like it ain't no way, Like I mean, were just like figuring out an off then you uh uh And like we know j Rinz good for forty We know out any not good for forty Monte, Okay, you yelled

the brains in the defense. He's doing all the talk and getting everybody the right place and then be at your start just starting Yeah, exactly who we need him to do? Couldn't shoot free throws? H Hey, we got Goose paid though, I mean you really got He should have bought me a house, and ye, I said, bro, if I get you paid, just bought me some property and your country doc. I don't. I'm one of vacation house.

Let me tell you one thing about Goose. He wasn't just the best player, but he catches everything the best hands. And I don't care where you throw the past to him, he catching that best hands. He and he was so basketball intelligent and he just knew where to be. I remember with Goose Man like I ain't gonna tell you why he got the name. I was just thinking that. I just think, but you can tell he's saying the

league long. But he was young, bro. He came to the team, Yeah, just turned nineteen, and they had him out partying the Euros and ship your opians party. And then I caught him in the club because yeah, but it's that was But I was in the club and he was like you know, b and I jammed him up real quick because I knew I couldn't. I was like, hey, bro, I don't want to see this ship. You should be starting next year. You should be don out out of that.

I was like, you can have your fun right now, but when you come back next year, I'm not I'm not having none of this ship. You got a chance to like fun. These dudes, these dudes are terrible, you know what I mean, Like they're not gonna be here. You can be here, bro, don't get caught up in that ship. You feel what I'm saying. Funk with me, and I just remember I I just like jammed him up because I felt like that kid could be special,

you know what I mean. And when you watch like what he was for us, he was like like we could he could, We could put him on Tim Duncan and not double ye. Tim Duncan was gonna kill me, you know what I mean. What he was the couple of things that he would do right. You don't have to be in rotations now, Montean Parker. Either I got you Nobli, you got Jan Nobli and now we're wearing dude, you know what I mean. And he played quarterback and so Dial didn't have no advantage, you know what I mean.

So it was like Goose was like that type of dude that was just a complimented him well though, and Al was the perfect problem with Al was Alan Nelly riff about Alt playing the five. I didn't feel like he was and and and al didn't want to be a out, didn't want to be the five. And it wasn't so much of hit Like what like, do remember that y'all main game? Like that motherfucker was like it

was just taking so much away from his off. After that game he played, he set out about two weeks after that game too, he played he fronted the ship out of y'all. Man, he had a hell of he had a hell of a game and we needed out of be more like the j Rich you know what I mean. But like I understood where he was like playing the five because he just had to do he consistently. But that was his minute five. If you played the fo, I played the four. You know what I'm saying. Was

going with the small ship. So we hit our run. What do we were in twenty We went eighteen out of the last eighteen at the last twenty three games or something like that. I got kicked out the last game of the season. And now they're like, bro okay, you can get kicked out, but remember because we won the last game in Portland. Yeah, to make the playoffs in that game. You didn't play right. I kicked out, Remember they clipped me, and Nearly came to like, look,

don't get suspended. Yeah, you get kicked out, but don't get suspended. So I got kicked out and I left it alone. He came grabbing, and I left it alone. It is the most It is the cleanest kick I've ever had. I made sure I got kicked out, but I left it alone. You've never seen me do that, because Nearly told me what happened. Huh you finished there the last game? And then remember Clippers had lost to somebody. Yeah, I was yeah, the same night. So you know, I've

been like researching all that ship. I've been watching all the clips and I've been pulling clips from the announcements and the announcers and like all the ship that they were saying, like the dudes who was announcing the Clipper game, but they were saying about us, what what what our announcers of office Gerald and Jim Barnett what they were saying. So it was almost like it was like this fucking you know, this whatever, this hour glass of time taking away.

And I remember Dallas beat the Clippers. Remember they sat out against stuff and then they sat out against us, but it was it was I feel like they had another game in between where they played again you know what I mean, the blood in the water, and so we kind of took that ship in disrespect. I remember, I was sucking. We were we were hot that they didn't want to like, like, y'all give us the fair fight. Remember he was like, yo, we can't get the fair fight.

Ya don't want to put us out? Now put us out our miss and you know what it was after if he knew what it was. Once we got in the playoffs, I've never seen Nellie move that fast in my life. He was like, look, hey, that was his championship. He just wanted to beat out of him one time too, because we were talking about what happened in the second way, It's like, let me checked out second round, bro, you know he checked out. We got our drug tests. He

the first one in the time of giving Utah. He no, I know he checked out because he kept playing your mement on core and we didn't. It was like and then Stack and then then stacking. Nellie started getting into it because Stack, like, man, I ain't known. It was no way that I can help my team offensively and guard him and Boozer. It was no way we had the best match up with Al versus Boozer, and we

didn't take advantage of that. And nobody knew that Al had us, you know what I mean, like like we're supposed to be, like the coach is supposed to be like yo, Al Boozer does not want to Funk had a career destroying Yeah, you know what I mean. And we didn't know that at the time, but it was everybody at that point was just goddamn, just like, man, I can't play the fire I'm playing. But we still had the two games. Still, we still had them. They

called a bullshit as a second violation. Yeah, yeah, that that was that was really the one. The free throws two, but the eight seconds that was some bulls. Some bush was calling the niggers. They had pictures of Jack up in the in the jail police in the life, jail suit, j carboard cutout. Hey, god, that was our core honors like Hotel Davis. Yeah, everybody remember, yeah maybe that little white girls. Look this little white girl. She was like, fuck you, Baron Davis, Like damn might to shoot a

free through because we smoked the whole hotel. I had the whole city high time. I remember when we got to Utah. I mean, we can talk about the basketball ship, but I think the off the court ship. We got to Utah. Remember Nelly put all of us right next to each other on the same floor with the gym fan at the end of the hall because he already knew what it was. But like, what kind of coach does that though? Because yeah, it was going down heavily

down every ship. When was that we couldn't smoke with and everybody was like we had like a little was that Miami where we had like a mini like uh yeah. Came to practice the next day in the same close we landed. We land at twelve, We got practice at nine. We get back to the hotel by s. Everybody get on the bus with all their clothes on. We get to shoot around. Then they come out on the court. Nobody woman, everybody on the sideline. He said, man, bring it in, get back on the bus and we better

win by thirty. And we showed hell one by thirty went out to mind when our mind to beat we was, we was chilling like this smoking us allus feeding for a smoke. God damn. I was like, no, man, we are here smoking dejarms and cigars. I was like ship. It felt like we were. It felt like we was on some of vacation for two days. I was walking on the bea smoking cigars, Like, man, you get another pack of cigarettes, like smoking or goddamn cigarettes black and

miles black dejarms. What was the other one? Uh? What was the other ones? In the little tin can? Remember we had them a little or whatever. So that was one thing about that team. That team like all rocked together off the court. He was all rocking together the whole everybody. I forgot about them, the drums dog, I forgot about this. What about the story when Baron came in his uh, in his cowboy outfit, remember that, Jack. I'm just gonna let you know I'm showing up. I'm

dressing up tonight. Just be prepared. So I'm like, all right, cool, dude, ain't but I know how you do. So I didn't. Once they Once he gave me the word, I spread the word to everybody. Prepared. Everybody on the team, get here early. Baron putting on the show. He comes in the locker room, cowboy hat, cowboys shirt, broke boots, the whole sine and just standing in the middle locker room and looking around to everybody. But what was what was behind that though? What was the reason you didn't have

to read in the fashion game of Jack? You know what I mean? You know, yeah, you know, I think it was in Texas? Was we're in Texas? That was a g Oh just came back from barely. I got something, you know, I got some ship from San Antonio. Want the floss? Could wait to break that outfit out? Remember we got it. I got in trouble from wearing a bullet for door in the playoffs. They was talking about suspending me. I remember that. I remember that M six.

That's right. I was trying to suspend this damn there every game, each other down, dog sninging, Jack run out, Matt padding down? Are you clearing? Like you clear the flight? Everybody waiting for him to get out of jail because you got things like we're making this rus so we're just trying to have fun. We didn't think that big of a deal until David Stirn saw that ship and they told us to stop, like three or four TV

and just him. He the one that stopped because he got the point where I wouldn't even put my hands and I'm just running the chest. But he's just still his ass. Bro. He would when we can get away with what about Baron when you lived in Frisco playing playing your guitar with shirt off, play your guitar for the for other people coming out the bar to D'Angelo, you know what I mean, get the coustic, good car, your shirt off, take my shirt off, sit on the ledge and be like, maybe I thought it was me.

It was that Baron Davids, that Baron Davis. Damn, I ain't know he can play him in there. I'm in the baby oil. That's how bar we had baby or No, I really know what kind of the best ones to explain this? Can you please explain bt pregame routween which one the shot to take? When you say there you go, there go, there you go. It's warm my shooting around warm. There's no shot that you were shot in the regular day.

But he practiced all the weirdest shots. So we're messing with him the whole year, and next thing you know, he shooting one of the shots in the game. He see what you did it on accident though, Yeah, he used to be like there you go. He got there you go, and I'll just be over there like jump inside the off hand, but we got footage of it. We gotta Yeah, that ship was legendary. So we're gonna do this. We believe dr absolutely Bro got to They need to hear. It can be too much today, but

it's fun. There's so much more. We just all sat down the ruining Storm. We gotta do it. It's coming show. I feel like, I mean, it definitely needs to be told. I feel like it's like that the Bay Area, what the Bay Area was when it was becoming, you know what I mean, and like almost what it is now because it's way different, but it's more commercial. You know, it's like not commercial, but it's open. Like the bay is so authentic that it's like that ship pop, you

know what I'm saying. And like when we was on TV and like fucking we believe fans in China, you know what I mean. Like Oakland was a destination, the Bay Area became like a destination. Remember other dudes was in our locker room. Motherfucker's was like yo, I want to go play, and so like I feel like it's like our story the Bay story, the music, you know

what I mean. Like I was talking to Mr fab He was there every game, rest the piece, he was there every game, and he was over there haggling everybody else, you know what I'm saying, right off the left of the center court, almost close to their bench. So he was talking to everybody. He was a part of that runs in the streets too heavy, Yes, in the hood on both sides of the bridge. Yeah, was. And I feel like we kind of brought the Bay Area together.

What I realized was Oakland and San Francisco was really fucking with each other. Shout out Steazy, you know what I mean. Shout out the hommies from Fillmore, the hummies from Oakland, from East Oakland, West Oakland, all them dudes. It's kind of like they fucked with us, you know what I mean. They really was, like, Yo, we rock with y'all. They took care of us, you know what I mean. They let us be, you know, they like, yeah, the year they let us be. They let us be

who we were. They gave us freedom, you know what I mean. Back to the Asian Ship, bro, they funk with us. Super Super Super Super Games Club Friends, Dinners, all that ship, you know what I mean. It's like like I got I got my nieces married to an Asian you know what I mean. Wasn't the one out Asian fans that started to come on. Man, it was like it was like a fucking It was just like a thing when nobody tripping yo, you know what I mean,

And like we was all fucking with each other. So that's why I feel like all the ships that you're doing, all the ship you doing speaking on cultures, speaking to you know, equality and inclusion and ship like that, It's like that's what this we believe doc is, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, we went and we hoped and we did win the championship, but we did some other ship and we're still doing ship, you know

what I mean. And it's like all still a part of this, you know, greater aligne focus you feel them saying absolutely bit so we believe season we're losing the second round. Next year we come back and win more games with miss the playoffs and then your contract is up. You get it. You wanted to stay. I did get it. Head this all got in bandits came in the locker room, said Jack, I didn't get it. I didn't get they were and for what I understand, the numbers worked too

far off. They just didn't want to give it to you. Fucking dumbass, dumbass, fucking Bobby Rob just the dumbest motherfucker in the world. Because it was just like, yo, Bro, we got a killer team, were winning. I told you before I got here, give me three years and I'm gonna turn this ship around. But it's dead. You asked me. I told you. I said three or four years, we're gonna be straight were people don't want to come here, and we're gonna have life. I did it in three

you know what I mean. We're coming off the playoffs. We got promised, man, pay me my money, bro. Matter of fact, how can we work this ship out? Because I know Mante gotta come. We gotta keep jack aula free agent, you know what I mean. We gotta pay Matt. You know. I was all telling you, like, man, I was trying to get Matt more money for the Warriors, you know what I mean. And I was just like, Yo, this is how this ship needs to go, you know

what I'm saying. And then it was just like my fucker was just posture and talking about, oh, you've been hurt, we need you to play, you know, a full season and all that, and I was like, what what is that gonna do? You know what I'm saying, And so that's when I came out and I was like, damn, this a cold guy. And you gotta remember I'm still like my own agent. And you played the next year, right, oh oh nine season? You played all every single game I played. I always say I played eighty one and

a half. Remember they suspended me for one game. I don't know why for the half of me and play me the hole half in Phoenix? Oh that's right? For what because they can do that because they knew, so they can. Basically, I don't know, bro. I just feel like it was some back in, some back channeling ship and if you see all, that ship just kind of fell apart, you know what I mean, Because we saw that.

So we talked. We had Gilbert yesterday and we talked to the other side because he said, that's what kind of got him going was they knew that you were leaving Golden State and then the Golden State was offering him the max. What do you say, a five million dollar house of the helicopter. They offered Gilbert aren it's a hundred and six millions and offered me thirty no guaranteed.

Why wouldn't I leave? Right you? It sucked us up there like we were sucked up, and it was crazy because and then they paid Corey mcgetty fifty, Ronnie tore Off eighteen, and whoever else was two more people. So like you basically gave it, you still have. You gave them money away. But shout out to my homies because off I always like for you. Oh they never got paid.

I wouldn't got some of that. When they trained everybody, I said, your deal with Nellie right, No with Bobby, But when they told him, look walking to about and yeah, it's like you know they It goes to show you that one you're undervalue, you're always underappreciate it, right, and you work for them. And it wasn't about winning. It was I'm gonna tell you how how all this ship happened?

Remember the playoff checks? Mm hmm. Remember people in the Warriors executive office was mad because they didn't they weren't getting our playoff check yep, yep, and everybody, and it started creating all these riffs because they got mad because we wanted to give our money to eat Yep Tom, Big John, Gebo, all the people who was winning with the assistant training to eat Tom. At the time that we had a little everybody was like, you know, we

want to take care of everybody. And then the higher upwards was like, yeah, we don't get no playoff check. It's like it was like remember Jay Rich was like, man, I don't even want my check. I'm getting yeah, yeah, And I just started to check and man, motherfuckers was looking like, oh, that's fucked up. And then I just started a riff and you show and it showed like the greed. I remember sitting back and I was like, man, he's so greaty motherfucker. Nobody worked harder than in that organization,

but they can you know. And it all came back to me like, Yo, what did everybody you know? It's like old bro Jay Rich did that. That's what he wanted to I had to explain to everybody, and at that point it was just like, man, these people are not they don't get it. They don't get it. And then the owner he had come out with some tax problems and like one million bucks, so it was like, that's why the Warriors changed hands. I wish I could have got some skin into that though. Damn. So you're

off to the Clippers, going home. But though at the same time some challenges you went Donald Sterling bump as heavily talked to us about your experience with them, because you thought he was gonna come with Elton Brand. Elon Brand needs up leaving the free agency. Yeah, Elm Brand a sucker to Fucky, but I'm cool with him now. But yeah, yeah, I mean he always been a good dude.

It's just his agent. Just I mean, I can't even father to do for taking money, taking more money, but you lie to me, you meant, and I was like, yeo, we're doing this. We figured out how to make the money work, and they got took less to make your money work, you know what I mean. And so you let David folks kind of come in and like, you know, come here, boy. Don't you know what I mean? Kind of come here? Boyd you you know what I mean? I don't come here, boy, hey man onhing they you

donna do tweak about it. Facts is facts. And so when I did that, I was already like god, damn, so once the el Brand because I call Elmon Brand. Think this is all the way up to the deadline. Man, this niked talking every day. Bro. He was like, all right, man, as soon as you saw it, I'm gonna saw. I was like, all right, I'm about to commit. Bum I commit, And I called that nigga. He was like, oh, bro, I'm about to go out of town. So I couldn't

even catch him. So I'm like, now I've committed. And then that's when the Warriors did to like Gilbert ship and like you know what I'm saying. But and then I went to set with Nelly and Nelly was like, Yo, you ain't gonna wanna fucking play for that dude. He was like, just come on back, you know what I mean. We'll see if we can get you the money, you know what I mean. I was like, look, Coach, I'm kind of like at this point, I'm done. Like I'd

rather go that la, whatever I get. I just want to build my ship up at home, you know what I mean. If I can do this for the Clippers that I did here, like man, I'll be a living legend, you know what I mean. He was like, all right, I'm telling you ain't gonna play for that dude, ain't he won line? So you had a chance to get it right and didn't make it right. And no, they weren't gonna get it right when I went back, because that's because I was about to say no, I want

I went back. It was still non guarantee. They was. They was basically saying, we're not gonna guarantee money because you're injury prone. Okay, because I thought you had I thought you said that you had a chance to go back and get them. They offered Gilbert Arenas one off six. So when Nellie talked to me, they were not they were gonna offer me like dollars. He like, I take the fucking I'm gonna take this, you know. So he was still low. He wasn't really trying to make it right.

He was just trying to get you there. And at that point, like Nellie didn't. I don't know what kind of power Nellie had, but Bobby Rowle, it just wasn't gonna happen. And that's how Bobby Rowl and Chris Mullen and all everybody started falling out. Because Chris mull remember he came to me, it was like yo, bro, I got you. When we was in Hawaii. It was in Hawaii. He was like, yo, bro, I got you, I got you. We're gonna get this right. So everybody thought I was

gonna get paid in Hawaii. And that's when I came back. When we came back home, I was like, I didn't get it, you know what I mean, like, fucking let's go who mm hmmm mm. So you get to the Clippers, uh, young Blake Griffin, you kind of start really the the Lob City era for there with you. What was that experience?

Like talk about the basketball experience, but then also talk about because I remember playing one time against you and how fucked up Sterling was and you man, I've been He's been doing this this and not to me to talk about the basketball and talk about the Sterling ship. Yeah, I mean, you know, Sterling is Sterling. Lucky. I didn't

do something crazy to him. Got every opportunity too. And so I was like at a point where I was like, maybe this is something guy, I want me to deal with, you know what I mean, I had never really dealt with. I won't even call it racism, bro. It was like he was a hate everybody is you know what I'm saying. And he was prejudiced and he didn't give a funk

about people, you know what I mean. And I was his highest paid employee at the time, and he would talk to to everyone but me, and I remember telling him one time. I said. He was like, you just don't kid it. You just don't kid it due you. I said, no, you don't get it. Your highest paid employee, you have yet to talk to me, so I don't give a funk what you do. He was like, I walked off. I'm the highest person you've ever paid. Bro, I ain't no fucking dummy, you know what I mean.

And so it was just a lot of like he was upset that I was the highest paid. Also like I'm playing for done Levy and so Done Leaving wants control, you know what I'm saying. And he wants Chris Caman to be the guy because he wants to lean in towards the big guys, you know. And fuck Chris Kaman, sorry as fuck. I mean, he's talented, but he's sorry. Right,

we ain't gonna window games throwing about it. Chris came right, but and then he went and then he was like post and like his ship was ice So if somebody was ice on and the cooking, that's who we're going with. And I'm like, yeoh, it's a long ass fucking gang. Can we get some transition buckets? You know? It's like every shot felt like you were under a microscope, or you felt like you were in in a structure, you

know what I mean. That you couldn't pay. And I remember my second year, Dean Demopolis, he was like, yo, bro, your fucking Picasso, Like whatever box they give you, just go paint. And then that was like the next year, if you saw it, I think that Chris came and made the All Star. But the next year is like because Blake got hurt. The next year, I was just like doing whatever I wanted. The third year, I come in and hurt. That's when that's when Blake take off.

And then when I come in playing with Blake, I was still hurt. But like for those months at month, it was like nobody could funk with us, bro, you know what I mean. And I would just slang like I give the ball out from how you know, half court, and so that motherfucker will blank him. And DeAndre Wou was bamming and it was just like we needed better players, you know what I mean, around us to round it out.

But it it started to feel like promise. And that was Vinny del Negro and then Vinnie the Vinde the Snake I call him, and so vinnydale Negro wasn't doing nothing but lying, you know what I mean. And then that's when I got traded to Cleveland. But they was like I was. I was the racist ship, bro. Like every day I come into the Clipper facility, Bro, people be crying and ship to lose my job. He cuts me out like balling. I'm like, man, fuck him, it's

about us. So I had to like go in there and like that ship was crazy because it's like, uh now now, um Golden State was dead Clippers, that's just fucked up, bro. That is like the dude using the media. You used the Clippers as his marketing tool. Everybody on the Clippers life for Mike Dunlevy is the coach in the GM. So I remember we used to make jokes like, man, motherfucker's got better be quiet. Motherfucker's got cameras around here.

And I used to be like, I don't give a funk about no cameras and be quiet, like you know what I mean. And so it became like a culture of snitching right to kind of appease him, you know what I mean. But he didn't give a ship about the team. It was just a trinket, right, And so you were just I had some black dude, you know

what I mean. I watched some parade blake through the fucking one of his parties, one of you know, one of his holiday parties, and Vinnie done that girl sat there and watched and I was like, man, fuck that, you know what I mean. I ain't I it was just hard for me to like play like that, you know what I mean. And it's like I'm here at home, like is this what my career is coming to? Like God damn dog, Like what the fund did I do to play for in this type of ship? It's some

real bullshit. So you go to clear brief stint theory. It's New York after that. York was after that. So you find your foot and you're playing well. Then you have one of the most devastating knee injuries I've ever seen. Take us back to that time, what were what was your immediate thought? Was it get back now I started laughing at that point after that. I mean, I they got slid in front of Swiss Beats and the Lisa Kings and Ship, two of my favorite artists. My ship

over here. I'm like looking at them they like and I'm like, oh, man, ain't this a bit you know what I mean? Like Okay, I just started laughing and it was just like damn. I was like, put that ship in. They put it in. And then at that point it was just like I just okayd my knee cap to my uh A c L M C L everything everything Bro, everything was gone. Bro. It was gone, like my knee at bait, like my knee cap. It was like damn near I think it was over here m hm. And so I'm sitting on the floor like

put that ship in bow. They put it in, and I was just like they carried me off on the stretcher and I was like, damn, dun. I never thought I leave an arena understanding renovation in the stretcher, you know what I mean. And after that it was just like man, fuck it. And I think for me like when I started like just playing and even playing in the D League and all that, like just coming back. It was just like me trying to find myself again

through basketball. I want to really trip it on the NBA because at some point I always envisioned myself never being the veteran dude at the end of the bench taking money, you know what I mean, from some young dude that's coming in that could have promise, you know what I mean. So it was always meant for me to just like, oh, I'm out, you know what I'm saying, because I didn't want to end up just like holding

on on, you know what I'm saying. In that year in New York, I walked in and my back was sucked up, so they were like, yeah, we'll take a chance on you, you know what I mean. I was like, all right, cool, And then next thing you know, I'm playing Jeremy Lynn gets hurt and he's supposed to come back height healthy, and he's like, no, I ain't coming back because he didn't want to suck up, you know, his little insanity because he knew I was gonna get paid.

So I just, you know, I felt like that was like low key, like kind of coward, you know what I mean, because I'm sucking holding it down and I'm playing like thirty minutes, forty minutes, I'm getting shots like my backet. So it was just like it was bound to happen, and I never forget it was in the playoffs. I tell Shump because he tours the CEE the game before and I was like, man, don't worry about it. Don finally found my ship, my magic dog. I'm gonna

work out with you every day. You know what I mean, like ship, So take a month off. And then I heard my ship. And then I was like, all right, well, ship, time to go write the movies. Dude, you know what I mean. Hurt one thing about you though, You've always had your mind in business, even back in college. So the ones you've said is that that transition switch hit

for you. You were ready to hit that probably t folks better than anybody, um better than you know, better than both athletes and talked to us, talk to us where that mindset came from? The business mindset? Man? Just uh being curious. I think that comes from just like being curious, afraid to fail. Like when they said, um, I was like, athletes, go bro. I was like, that

scared you scared you ship out of me? M You know what I mean, and so I wanted to know where every dollar was that I spent, got raw, got cheated, misinvested, over invested, bad deal, do you know what I mean? Like at least I know because I just don't believe it ship, you know what I mean? And so at

every moment it was more so like a fear. But that fear made me just like hold up, do the research and then be like fucking dog, like I'm not gonna I'm probably not gonna ever be as great as I need to be or have the legacy that I need to be. But you know, fuck it, I'm gonna walk these steps. I'm gonna miss out on cash, I'm

gonna miss out on ship. But if I walk to walk that, I want to walk down when it's time to like tell my story hopefully like the people are in line that I funk with to do that, you know what I mean. Talk a little bit about you. You touched on it earlier, But how did the actual vitamin water situation come because you were a big piece

of that that I don't think a lot of people know. Yeah, So I was I was do up, you know, I just got the max, So I was do up for sneaker deal and uh and like a beverage deal or whatnot. And I think it was Sprite and my boy was that sprite and I was. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna get your deal done, and then I'm leaving. I'm just letting you know, I ain't gonna be working with you. You're gonna be working with somebody else. Haven't brought somebody else?

And I would be leaving. I'm like, where the fun you're going. It's like going to a company called Vitamin Water. And I was like, Vitamin Water. Hell, no, dog, that ship nasty. Rico be drinking that ship and that shaid me give me diarrhea at his workouts, you know what I mean. Don't do that ship, bro, that shi it ain't cool. He was like, nah, they're great founders and great company. Was like it's a startup, so they learning. They switching the flavoring. And I was like, but Rico

love that ship. And Rico used to always drink Vitamin Waters's and so I was like, damn Vitamin Water, Like that's kind of like the wave of the future, you know what I mean, that's like the future. Dog like vitamin and water. Thinking if I can fucking you know, get the taste right, you know, I like, the ship can sit on my stomach. I'm cool. And so he was like, no, they're fixing the They're fixing the taste. And I was like, well, if you leave in sprite,

I'm going on which m hmm. I want to learn that ship teach me, Like, let me work for you. He was like, we can't afford you. I was like, man, you can afford me. Like I don't need the money, you know what I mean, like fucking give me the money in equity or something like how much money. He was like, man, get that ship to me and and stop just put it. But I don't even don't even give me no cash a matter of fact, let me get this. What if I get on TV? What if

I do this? What if I do this? And then I just started like thinking of ship because at the same time I was doing my Rebok deal now my Rebok deal, and I had plane. I was the first first dude to negotiate the plane. I was the first dude to negotiate a car. I was one of the first dudes to negotiate money to foundation and a you right, So it was like a double hit and the merchandise, which was a triple hit. I negotiated, I get a jersey sign, but I get every every jersey they make.

I get like up to five of those jerseys. Do mass I should have kept them shipped. So and I used to get all the players after the thing sign New Jersey. So it was just all that vacation. I like, my deal was so like incentive heavy, and it was like less cash because what I figured out was rappers used the record label money to pay for their lifestyle. So I was like, all right, I just used rebox to pay for my lifestyle. I got my NBA contract

as my nest egg, you know what I mean. So like put more money into all the goofy ships that I need, right so I can have a plane, you know what I mean, and ship like that. But then the Vitamin water thing is like I don't even want no money, just give me the stop. And then I started watching this company. You just could start like growing and went from the bodega like was at the w Then it was like the bodega. Then it was with

the Warriors. I would leave because they would have these regional meetings, so I would have to go and meet like all the sales, reps and ship and then at one point it was like fifty people. The next time it was like two orangent and fifty, And that's when I started learning, like, oh ship. Like then Tata came in, bought um bought in like thirty and I got a

big check. And I was like, bro, this is a way bigger check than when I'm onna gift than I would have got a sprite over the last few years, and I had more coming, you know what I mean. So that's kind of like how I got into it. I was really it was me saying like, yeah, I'm gonna represent myself. I'm gonna figure out my worth. I knew I wanted to make music. I knew I wanted

to make movies, you know what I mean. I knew I wanted to be a creative right, and so I wanted people to spend money on me that way, you know what I'm saying, so I can have like the oppera scenity to do that shift for other players. So I was just using myself as an agent, as a player, as a market and as like a test case for if I did want to be an agent or anything else. For like the next generation marketing whatever it was. So

directing debut, uh Domino's the Drew League doc um. Two things I think that adult those your slick platform and what you're doing with Black Santa. Can you talk to talk about those? Yeah? I say for me, Black Santa changed my life because I actually started having to live right, you know, because because you know, I want it just kind of like, you know, start thinking about I've never met a jolly, friendly, on time, gift giving positive black

man in my life. And so with that, it was like, damn, bro, like we don't have that growing up. We ain't never seen and the ship kind of funny, and so why don't we create that for Black Santa? And then with him, let's have him be the celebration of characters and cultures

and holidays and things like that. So everybody has a story to tell, right, and what better person to be like the DJ, the host than you know, a Black Santa clause because he's he's different, you know, he is the minority, and so you know, with Black Santa is just really like the first way it was like just get out T shirts things like that to your people,

get to support, but like work on the story. So now the content and the storytelling, the aspect around it is something that my kids want to see they learn to grow into. Right, we as adults want to see and help our kids. Right, but other cultures can also see us in the different lights. When you think of about treyvon Martin, when you think about you know, the our perception you feel I'm saying, our perception and society

is fucked up. And it's because of our perception that and the and the and the stories that people are articulating that are our stories, you know what I mean? And so I was like, funk that Black Santa Yo is positive, Black Santa is inclusive, Black Santa is about like every the beauty of being black in his world, you know what I mean? It all all the blackness that you can find. We're gonna go find that treasure. Right.

So for Black History Month, we do a coloring book right with all the black you know, black figures that you know I'm finding out. You know I already knew, But it just gives us an opportunity to create characters that can tell stories that can educate our kids, educate others. And now they have a more invitable palette. When they're dealing with us, you know what I mean? And I think that has always been what's happening, what's happened to us in society? Bro, It's like, motherfucker's are we want

to pigeon hold us to the stereotypes? They want to keep you where you at. Maybe we talked about this. They want to keep you where you at, Bro, you know what I mean. And and so like we gotta keep breaking the ceiling, we gotta keep jumping out the crab barrel and tipping the bucket over. And I think storytelling for Black Santa was like the best way to address it and to say, hey, what stories you got? Hey? Uh you know when I link them? Uh dk donas my favorite Dona story place here in l a Asian

Donna story. We're doing an animation for them, right, And like just we want stories, man, We want our coaches to Cali. So we become the new Renaissance. And then I think was slick. It's really just about like stories, like we believe, like us telling the story, you know what I mean. It's like you're a director and producer, you're a producer, Like it's the ship don't work unless it's collaborative and everybody kind of pouring in. So sports, lifestyle and culture is not just we don't we's not

just sports, you know what I mean? We we everything in between, Like WTF is not even sports. But it's like if you want to be an actor, you want to do stuff like coming slick, and we'll create and kind of build formats, you know, for artists, for athletes to be able to like funck Man, tell our story, do what we want to do. And so that's when I'm on now, So talk to me a little bit about the cannabis space and the progress you see in

professional sports, particularly basketball. I mean, you guys are pioneers with al I would say cannabis is probably a thing that you know, should be passed, right. Um. I love the way that the NBA has adopted it. I feel like it's better than drinking, you know what I'm saying.

Uh pills, Yeah, people taking pills and all that. And it's like you can manage somebody who had like who smokes a lot of weed, you know what I'm saying, Like you can have a conversation with somebody, probably a long conversation with somebody who smokes a lot of weights, so I don't think and like it's known to be like a healing agent and have all these kind of nutrients that our bodies. The reason why we was blowing

and smoking, you know what I mean? Uh after the games was like ship man, we smoked and washing gang drink a gang of water. Man, we just drink a gang of water and being like all right, bro, when I wake up, we go to my spot of your spot and watch that's grezy. Bro. I want to take us back to the one car trip where we just laying in the baby we're about to go smoke at the smoke of my house. And who was riding with us? So we get in the car right right? School school?

Remember that we tell this story. We're on the way to We're on the way to school career, right. I think it was mine was putting up in my house. Yeah toever like sure, yeah, I was driving, That's all I mean. You were driving and me and Matt getting out the car about to gud we just got back from Utah, right, and we're going we're getting out of the car and beat it like yo Jack the homie pop room for us, right. I looked at man, I'm

like all right, Okay, you're being man like. Okay, okay, col you know you know where that came from, the homie spoon. He was like, hey, man, I'm telling you bro, Yeah, I warrior niggas on that pop shit. Man, you know what you're doing to these Dallas boys. We was like, what that ship was? Deep though, stand at the world through your I was like, like it was real quiet in the room at first. He was like, He's like, oh, that's monte Ellis. I thought you were just one of

the tribal called quick. He was snapping, bro, he was. It was like he brought this dude shout out that al. He said, Man, I'm telling you might. I'm telling you mate, like man, y'all boys out there tugging mine. Y'all boys out there thugging mine, you know, And you know what you're doing, bro, staying at the boys in your rear view. Oh man, I took that with me all the way I was with him. But the guy we're talking about

is the same guy who created the word trill. The world don't know that he's from my hometown and that's the creator the word trill. Word. Yeah, he deep out spool. Yeah, but I did I was like, man, yeah he said, he said first I was trying to get your motivated that it was like park RYEO was definitely ready to spoke. And then we get upstairs, He's like, come up to the the elephants like, oh yeah Jack, the Homi Big too, the Legends winners. Hey, we're coming down the stretch. Quick hitters.

First thing that comes to mind, who are your top five point god God, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd, and Steph Curry Dope soundtrack to Your Life. Three songs in rotation, Uh so many tears, the Lauren Hills song the last song on the album now I know, yeah yeah, third song would be Michael Jackson almost there. I just knew it was gonna be some Niver, some Dr dre in there somewhere. Oh fish, I mean you only got three though. Yeah. NEIP is the album album

to My Life. If they were to make a biopick, who would play you? Who would play me? I was? I know would play you? Know? I know? What was her boyfriend name? On friend sample was his best friend name? That's the husband was no, not graty, her husband the great was his whome boy when they drink all the time. That's will play your husband? Was it Rollo? Now? I wouldn't Roller's name, wasn't roloph? I show I was thinking about that man. I was thinking like you the of

a story? Yeah, who could? Who could probably play me? I would say somebody like uh little Duval? No, I wouldn't say a little Michael B. Jordan's no way, no way? Why not what you mean? Actually he could? But Kenny who they know how to go on the character? Bro Kenny? Who we can you could teach him? I think he's good enough to figure it out. I think Michael B. Jordan is like too handsle, you know what I mean? That nag gonna take away from me? You know what I mean? I ain't that to find a diamond in

the rough. Yeah, we gotta find an ugly negative play. But but it's a little cannibal burst. It's somebody like somebody, it's like that nig. You don't even look like beady, you know what I mean? Are like Lamar and Morris, somebody who like a straight nerd, you know what I mean, just like a naked just like you don't even look like here. It's some kid in your neighborhood that know all about you, that know the same demograph, that can play that role. Yeah, I let it be a kid,

A top five sneakers of all time. You know, I ain't no sneaker person, Jack, You've been waiting now you've been coming to and I don't. I don't. I don't really like know the names ship. I just uh hardaway wote them leadings. I know there's the label that they used to pay me and then down when they let me go. Stock went down when they let me go, though, absolutely is the label pain. Come on, bro, I used to say that ship like you gotta leadings. They're paying No, Bro,

They're going, They're going, They're going. I got shoes in the market. Five dinner guests dead or alive. Was five all my dogs over here the wall. Yeah, I break bread with them, and then I'll break bread with you know, I have five women I have to break bread with. You know what I mean. I got my grandmother. You know, you got Harriet's man. Uh, you got my angelou h rest in peace, Cecily Tyson, and the last one would

be Um Jackie joined Kursey. Good call, last question, Bro, There's no more after this but go ahead, you got another Yeah, who do you want to all the smoke? What do you want to see all the smoke? Chris whatever? We just had him, just had him. I like to see uh, Chuck d you know what, that's funny. I'd like to see Chuck dal on the show. And then I like to see Isaiah Thomas real quick. Before we finish your connection with Kobe? What he meant to you? Bro?

When I was here, Like when I was in high school and when Koby got to the Lakers, I was it was my senior year. So Kobe was like, you know the panicles and when he came here, you funk with me. I never forget. Like they took me to his house and I was like, oh, what's up, bro, you want to go hang out? And he was like no, Bro, I'm saying and watch these tape, like we can do that tomorrow. You know, you're like be watching take tomorrow. I'm like, oh, ship, Like I probably won't be hanging

out with this dude, you know what I mean? But he would come to the gym and like me and Kobe always had like this when we see each other, we was like bros. And then like I remember when he was in therapy. I was in physical therapy like every morning, Like I was the only person I felt like with funk with Kobe, you know what I mean. You had these dark ass glasses on the physical therapy. I'm like, mother fucking you blind, He's sleep and you

wake up, motherfucker what you're talking about? You know what I mean? And we'd just be going back and forth. So it was like for me, I always wanted to like pay homas to him because he was like a big bro, you know what I mean, and almost like a guy. And then at the same time I knew like all the ship he was going through. So every time I've seen it, you know, always like Kobe is

one dude. I every time I saw I was, I made sure he knew, you know what I mean, Like nigga, if if it's God, Nigga, you are Jesus to us, you feel what I'm saying to this game, to this hoop, And you know, we just always had that like connected fabric. I remember interviewing him, you know, for ESPN the magazine, Like I believe it was like after the Colorado ship. You know, it was just always like recepted to me

and ship. And I remember being with the Knicks and before I got hurt, he was like, Yo, we're gonna play one on one. If I beat you, you I come to the Lakers next year. And now I was like, well, ship, dog, like, you ain't gonna beat me. What do I get if I win? He was like, I speak to some kids at your basketball camp, said nigga, get your brand or something. But that's how Kobe was. He was like, yeah, I go speak to the kids at your cam. I was like,

that's what's up. But he was he was my dog, absolutely, rest in peace. Last thing, real quick. We got someone who's been mentioned on our show more times than anybody in the building. So we gotta bring in front of camera quick. Come on, turn, come up, really make your appearance. Turn. Yeah, you got the most come he got the most mentions, mentions, he got the most men in all the small history. So come sit on the couch. Take you see real quick. Turn.

I mean, this is like you said, this is who see a lot of you saw bearing on the biggest stage, but this is you know that his best friend growing up family, You know what I mean? And I just think it's dope. We want to give you a shout out, man, because so many people have mentioned you, from Wayne to be d to KG to Paul too, So we just want to give you a little shot. It's my dog right there for real. We talked about that. We believe he has to be on the Doctor right in the

middle of it. He heart of it with fat Rat. Gonna say but on all the episodes we had, all the episodes we have for all our fans, all our listeners is yeah, this is the termined that everybody's talking about. Our brother. Yeah, he's a punk guy. He's a guy, the one and only the lefty. Hey man, that's a rap. Another addition of all the smoke, Thank you Baron term Jack, great show. You can find us Showtime Basketball, YouTube and I Heart Platform, Black Effects, so many these things. He

don't even getting what the sakes. See you all next week. This is all a smoke, A production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime