Amar'e Stoudemire | Ep 64 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

you're talking to me? What you meant? Yeah, I'm talking to you. Yeah. Man, I just saw the show the show Time on our way, Bro, we'll you're on our way. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. Man. We got a great guest today. Man, it's not about me to dance about our next guest. Someone I played on the same team, but he got hurt at the very beginning of the year, so I never got to experience actually playing with him. But uh, someone that I came bobby dunked on both of us. Yeah,

I mean someone I came in the league with. I knew right from the jump this was a bad motherfucker man. So everyone, welcome brother. I'mora Stottmeyer to the show the man Child, Man Child, what's up with you? Man? How's everything? Man? I can't I can't call him everything good. I'm glad to hear that. So what's been like for you, roller coaster? You're obviously for the country. You accept the job as a as a coach for the Brooklyn Nets families healthy

talk to me? Yeah, man, it was crazy, man, I mean the initials, the initial started out with me um playing overseas. Uh, So I went over to China for a few months, then went over to Israel. Uh, finished up over there. What a championship? Right? You won a championship? Right? Yea MVP over there, got the finals MVP, and then happened, appreciate it. Corona happened. And then I moved back to Miami, and so I was I was hearing Mimi for a while. Then I end up getting the job over the Nets.

So it's been a pretty it's been a pretty uh pretty good. Yes, so far from me? Did you think or do as it's something you always want to do with was to get into coaching and player development or to kind of come out of left field? Came out of left field. I never thought about coaching. I mean, obviously I got my youth programs in Florida, so I've been involved in grass roots with Nike since two thousand

and five. I'm like trying to develop young players. Always had my Skills Academy camp every year also with Nike throughout the year. It's always kind of been in that player of development space. But never thought that I would be like a culch you're working with with with the NBA team. High excited that you to be back working with Steve Man. It's it's it's a fun atmosphere, bro

like like honest with you. You know, Steve and I got a relationship that we built back in Phoenix and so and so now to be kind of back with Steve and seeing him loud as a coach and being back in the locker room with him reminds me of like the times we had in Phoenix. So it's a great It's a great atmosphere for the both of us. I'm gonna joining Yeah, y'all have some great times and

Pens will definitely get to do that later. Um. Your transition obviously from just finishing up playing to now coach, what is kind of your excitement level as a coach now because you're coaching both of them. To see a healthy Kyrie Irving and a healthy Kevin Durant on the floor, you've been able to coach them. Yeah, you know what, man, it's been exciting bro watching these boys and training camp, how they get after it, the way they compete, both

of them playing a high level, both of them healthy. Um. And I've really never seen two players this good before. And I've experienced a lot of players. I played with a lot of players. I've been arounding the game for a long time, but I don't think I've ever seen two players as good as Kyrie and kd M. I feel that definitely sure that what's it like? What's the energy and the vibe? Like what you guys have a good mix now of you know, two championships superstars with

a great core young group. What's that mixture and chemistry been like? Although you know short uh in training camp so far, well, you know what, man, I kind of leave it. I kind of leave with the steed to kind of have a you know a lot of those uh, a lot of those player player development courses and situations going on with the with the team. But when I've what I've experienced so far as that everyone has great chemistry,

everyone has great vibe. Everyone's like focus on on the goals. Um. And I'm just doing my part by just being kind of that vocal guy as well, and happened them out with development and guys need to help along the way far as improving their skills. I'm always available for that. I'm always giving them game, you know, whether it's on the court game or off the court game. Um and so and so, they appreciate it. Both are needed. Yeah, you played for the Knicks. Now you're on the Brooklyn side.

I know you've been hearing a lot of chitter chatta talk about that. Yeah, you know what playing for the Knicks. Man. Um, I'm I'm I'm always gonna be a Knicks guy, you know what I'm saying. Like far as like, you know, the time of my time playing with with with the Knicks was uh was a moment of history for me that I would never forget. You know, But then life goes on and experiences happened. Then you know, opportunity comes along the way. You can't really you can't really not

take advantage opportunities when they come your way. Brands, it may not never happen again. Um, And so when two Times got the job with Brooklyn, Uh, you know, I reached out to him and said, hey, now here if you need me for your support, whatever that may be. And that's that's how I kind of, you know, got involved with the Nets. Mm hmmm. Uh. It was a quick turnaround obviously, just finishing the season a little bit over for the champions, about seventy seventy seven days, seventy

plus days removed from the bubble. Now we're in a space where, um, we're just gonna have to put a lot of trust in players and organizations to keep themselves as safe as possible. Have you guys discussed or even thought about what it's gonna be like moving around now, because obviously you lived a certain way as a player, and it was you know, we moved around so freely. Now as a coach, you know, we kind of have a lot of restrictions on the type you guys talked to.

Have you thought about what it's gonna be like traveling now and having so much responsibility to try to keep yourself as safe as possible. Yeah, Man, if the main part is being safe and following on the guy lives possible to keep yourself away from from COVID. Uh. So obviously staying sanitized when your masks, keep your social distancing, and then traveling wise, Uh, it's you know, it's it's gonna be a different scenario. I'm sure you're gonna travel

with less staffing. Um, I'm gonna try to figure out ways to to to stay safe while on the road. Um. And so you know, we have we have a code of conduct that kind of keeps us, you know, in line with what the rules going forward far as COVID concerned. Mm hmmm. Um, you're upbringing a Florida boy. Um, bounced around a lot from school to school. Talk to us and tell us what your childhood was like. Man, it was a struggle, bro, My child, My child was a

major struggle man. Uh my mom, my mom. You know it was always you know, she was always getting locked up, you know what I'm saying. So she was in and out of jail basically all my childhood life. My dad died when I was twelve. My brother was a gangster. He was always in this treats and get locked up

and selling drugs. Um. And so I had to pasically raise my little brother on my own at times, UM, and so I went to when I played you know, basketball, I didn't play organized basketball to I was fourteen, but I played at the parts all the time. I was always going to the parts and playing basketball and then so um and even up until I got into the NBA. Man, my mom still get locked up, you feel me. So it was always a struggle I had to make, like,

you know, adult decisions at a young age. I went from I went to six different high schools trying to trying to make sure I make the right decision. H high school was different because they saw how good I was and trying to take advantage of the opportunity. And I was on game enough to know that I weren't trying to get for nest by any of those situations. And so it forced me to transfer to school from school to school to try to find the right situation

for me. But then once I got to the n b A, I was able to find a sense of like, uh, consistency, you know what I'm saying. When I found that consistency, I was able to not focus on the game of basketball and just kind of go from there. What did you hold onto or what inspired you or helped you get through you know, I mean, as a fourteen year old started to play basketball, you're you're becoming a man. But there's so much up and down and like you said,

inconsistency in your life. What was the thing that kept you on track? Because I think at the end of the day, you only really you only really got a chance to play what two years of high school basketball? Yeah, I played. I first played organized basketball the four team, and I was draft of the eight team. So it was a quick turn around. But you didn't really get to play. You didn't really get to play that whole four years though, right, You didn't really missed some seasons

in high school? Right, Yeah, so on one exactly right, only played two years of high school basketball. Yeah, So to think about you were the number nine pick in the draft after playing basketball for just two years, Like that ship is fucking crazy. Yeah. And then I went on to get rook there you're the first to ever get rookie. You're the high school yeah, two thousand three

rookie of the year. What was it like, I mean, like you said, you finally found some stability, some stability and you know, a normal routine and you were able to just focus on basketball. How good did that feel? Obviously your player on the court showed you won rookie year, first team All Rookie, But how did that feel inside? Like, Okay, I think you know I made it. I know what I'm doing on this now that I just focus on who you know what? What kept me grinding throughout the

whole process, My child is man. Always always stay locked in the God. You know what I'm saying. I always said my presers every night, you know, so my mother always and stepped at me. They always seen my present. Really stay focused on God and always you know, pray for knowledge. Wasn't an understanding, so I will always like focus on on that. That kind of kept me focus. It kept me humble, and it kept me like it

kept me being my own person. So I never really felt down the leadership qualities of of the wrong crowd, never got involved in that space. So it kept me locked in. And once I got to the league, that continued. But then now I got like veteran players I can talk to. At the time, it was pinning all the way Stephen Marbury tonguable out, Uh, you know what I'm saying. So I was I was just soak in a game from them, and they helped me kind of, you know, learn how to become a man with the NBA space.

How did a you play a role in your development and exposure? You know, A you you was was key for me, man, because when I first started playing basketball, I was like not known the state of Florida. Then I started playing you basketball, I became like top one hundred my freshman year and then every summer when we hit that circuit, you know, say you're gonna play against players from different parts of the United States and you're seeing a talent and it's hype behind these guys. You

got so and so top five in the country. You play against him and you you know, saying you're balled out that game, and now your rankings go off from the top one hundred of top ten and you played against the No. One playing the country. You you know what, say, you bought him out? You know who's some of the number one and not to cut you off, who were some of the number one players that you overcame by the time you took the number one spot, uh your senior year. My my freshman year, it was a guy

named Antonio Lawrence from Jackson Gillforta. It was like it was like it was like a freaking nature man six seven point guard bounced, crazy bounce windmill. All that freshman year it was crazy um and then my and then alone the way it was like it was like shading the Randolph was top five, Rage Felton was top five, Carmelin Antnue was top three. You know what I'm saying. You had Chris Bosh it was top ten. Um and

then and then class afternoon was Lebron. James Lebron was already top top two, top three, and he was a year under us and in the year before. So you had Tyson Channeler was top with number one in the country. You had Eddie Curry was number number two in the country.

Carmy Brown was top five. So every time I saw any of those guys, I played against all of myself le Braun, but any time I saw them on the circuit, I was at their head with no know what I'm saying, like because I wanted I wanted to reach that number one spot killer be killed. So two thousand two McDonald's All American Game at Madison Square Garden, you get a chance to play with mellow what was that like? Oh, man, you know Mellow and I go away Batman's from a basketball,

you know what I'm saying. So, you know, for us to be in the McDonald's game, we're hanging out, you know what I'm saying, Like like like homeboys, dude, We're just kind of were kicking there, having fun and joining the time and joined the experience of New York, you know, playing the Manasicon Square Garden as seventeen year olds, We're like, man, this is you know what I'm saying. We're in heaven, you feel me? So it didn't playing playing with him in the game. You know, I saw the talent from

Mellow when he was in high school offensive juggernaut. He already had the same pull up game he had to you know what I'm saying at that time, high school three points shooting from the three. He still had the handles and all that even back then. Uh And so it was fun playing with him. Who who was recruiting you in coming out of high school? What colleges were recruiting you? Um? And I got North Carolina, UM, Memphis, Florida, all the Florida schools, UM NC State. But everybody knew

I was going to high school. Everybody know I was going to the NBA, and then a lot of a lot of colleges also a little bit skeptical of me because I had a trouble in background. You know, saying one that I when I was getting in trouble is the fact that my family was always in the trouble. The film saying was always inconsistency with me growing up. You feel Me. So a lot of the schools were, yeah, exactly, so a lot of schools were a little bit kind of skeptical about about it. And I was going to

the league. Anyways, when did you make that decision? When did you know that it was lead bound? I was trying to get to lead from from my from my freshman year high school. He said, I'm going man, listen, man, I was trying. I was trying to get out the hood, bro like I was always like, my mind set was already sent on NBA. You Feel Me? And then I had an I had a broad model too. I never really spoke to when I was in high school, but

I kind of watched him from Afar. Tracey McGrady, you know what I'm saying to Mac team mat from the same hood. He's from like a few a few cities over. But when I saw Matt go out to high school, I'm like, Si, I can do the same thing. You feel me. So so I'm like my freshman year, I was locked up going out of high school, and so I just kept pursuing that throughout my entire high school career. Yeah, yeah,

you just you just answering my next question. I was gonna ask you, did you have identify to KG, Kobe and team Matt going to yourself? Following that the footsteps, and you just answered that question. Yeah, man, Matt, Mac for sure, Mac for sure one of the Poke Counties finest. What I'm saying watching I watching Matt play. He went to my zion. I went to my zion. But then you also got like, you know, obviously KG came out

of high school, Kobe came out of high school. You know what I'm saying, you know, and so all those high school guys, I felt like with a fraternity man, you know, but a few of us and the guys can't do it no more unfortunately. But for the guys who were able to go to high school, that's a group in the history that can never be duplicated. Yeah, very few players come straight out of high school and make an impact, Um, the way you do. Well, what

was it like? You know what means? Like I said, you jumped literally from a few years of just playing basketball in general too, to being a Rookie of the Year in the NBA. What was that first year? Like? Man, Listen, when I got to the NBA, there's a lot of terms. Did I to understand? I didn't know what up and under was. I didn't know what to you know what I'm like, you dribble, left, euro stat all that. You know,

I'm said a lot of those terms. You know, I didn't quite understand what they were because I was I was a high school player and I only played to a high school basketball And when I was in high school, my coaches just like, just go and play because you know, I was just dominant. So they didn't really coach much

and try to teach me the game. Um. And so my rookie year, I was learning game by game, practice by practice, different terms, how to shoot, how to dribble, how to you know what I'm saying, all these different things I developed when I was in the league. And so it happened to somewhere critie my game and watch film after every game, every practice to improve each and every day. M hm. Who are some of those people

you looked up to as you were learning? Were their players in the league, maybe teammates who helped you with that learning curve being so young. Yeah, my teammates for sure. You know, my teammates for Shure help helped along the way. Um. And then I also had some as some pretty cool young guys that was with me too, Man Me, Joe Johnson, uh Shaw, Maryan Uh. We had my man out to four at the time, so we had we had a nice group of young guys who we always had our says,

accountable and trying to get better. So we'll play one on one every day at the practice and we'll stay you know what I'm saying. We just stayed locked in on trying to improve. Uh. And then we had a family bund off the court. You know, my mom, his mom, our family all got along, you know what I'm saying. So we all hung out to have barbecue and cookouts. Uh. So we had a fun five mm hmm. Rest in peace that I only out to Ford Man. I was

the homy man. My brother Man blessed memory. Man. Absolutely. Hey, two thousand three, we got a chance to play against y'all in the playoffs, in the first round of playoffs. You know, talk talk about when you got your chance to battle against Duncan. I remember you hit that back boys shot the senate the overtime. Uh. Actually, they told me to clothe. They told me to show and get back and let Dave come back to you because they

said you wasn't gonna shoot it. And we all know it took Dave two hours to get from one end of the court to the other end of the time, so you know, so you know he wasn't closing out on the three pointer. So I showed Matt. I did everything I was supposed to do because you know, Pop take me out for farting. So I went over there and I faked to him and I went back to my man and Mary shot it out the glass. Talk about that first round, man, Yeah, it was incredible. Man.

It was my first time in the playoffs. Was my rookie year, and it was always a battle between who was when the rookie of the year, between me and y'all men and y'all mean y'all men was an incredible talent man six eight player from China, a major, major hype behind him and so um in that game. Playing against the Spurts planting shot in the playoffs, I wanted to try to establish myself as like the next young

dominant four man. You know what I'm saying. I'm playing against Tim Duncan and David Robinson, which I got a chance to like really like set myself up properly, and so when I shot at when the shot came to me, it was no hesitation for me. Man, I shot it, you know what I'm saying. That it went off the glass, and when it's overtime, and I think step end up winning the game and overtime with a game when the shot later on that game from a half court from

half courter off of miss free throw. But even though yeah, we we beat you out for four games. In four games, Bro, you were dominant that series. You're the only person we didn't have an answer for. And what was special was at the beginning of that series, my Barry was killed La Tony Park, right, I mean kill. We had Speedy classon another New York guard to come in and kind of keep up with Steps, so that saved us. But you if step would have kept getting off, we probably

went seven games. We probably woul the one that series, but you definitely was dominant. I appreciate it. Appreciate that the two The next season, a lot of injuries. Uh, Mike D'Antoni takes over. You guys missed the playoffs. What was the new philosophy and energy did? What did it feel like? Because you guys kind of started building there. Obviously Steve uh Nash came, But what was it like with that new era basketball? Did you guys took over?

You know, it was it was similar to what we did and go in the state a few years before, but you guys kind of took it to that next level. What kind of excitement did he bring to your guys team? Well, you know, we uh we traded. We traded like six players, you know what I'm saying. We tried to Steph Penny Google's we traded like six guys, man, and so we finished that season, you know, playing this season with like eight players, you know what I'm saying. So we were like, man,

we gotta do something. We had our court group between myself, Shaw, Mary and Joe Johnson. You know what I'm saying. We had some young guys with with Leonji Barbosa, so we had a nice little young squad. We just needed some more veteran players and we needed a point guard. And I was my deal. I wanted to we needed a point guard, and so I was just I was, you know, expressing that to like the management in the front office, that we gotta get a point guard. With the point guard,

someone who control the game. And so we brought my dad, Turning came on board as head coach, and then we brought Steve, and both of those guys had a similar philosophy for us, like offensively driven. So um, it happened. It happened naturally, man. Uh. Steve and I never did like time, just like putting in a crazy amount of time of learning how to do pick and rolls together, it just happened naturally. Might the Turning offense when he put the offense in. Um, everything just happened to flow.

And then with a with a natural with a natural flow, and that's how we got out to a great, you know, a great start to following year. We one like I think sixty some games and we're just you know what I'm saying, we hit the ground running. A Yeah, what was it like building chemistry with Steve on the court, on and off the floor? Excuse me? You know on

the court, man, it was it was easy, bro. I mean, it was an easy deal for us because Nash and now you know, it happened organically, you know what I'm saying. Nash is the past first point guard, and I was a player who wanted to set the tone and try to dominate every chance I got, you know what I'm saying. So anytime any time Nash dropped the ball off to me, I'm catching flight and flight range, know what I'm saying.

So and I'm and I'm attacking the rim. So it wasn't like I'm going in there and trying to draw fouls or shoot floats, lay the ball up. Nah, you weren't that. I'm attacking the rim. And so every time Nash drop him off, you know, it's like it's like an easy combination between him and nine. So when you got that type of combination going, and then teams got to respect that, and you surround that with some shooters

and a few playmakers, you had a great formula. And off the court, all of course, Steve was one of the homies, man, Steven, Steve going to the clubs. Guys, we've been the clubs. You know, we go to the you know what I'm saying to the vibe clubs. You know what I'm saying with hold on Steven Stevens. Steven's comfortable in there. Steven. A lot of people don't know. Steven's coolest fun. Steve got some Steve got something Steve. Yeah.

So yeah, helped that help with the team chemistry too, man, Like we saw Steven spots when we got got that and he came hung out with us and kicked the win us for a little bit, and then the next day on the court, we're like, man, listen, we got even a better, stronger Bard now, so became more of a family atmosphere. Yeah. Well that leads me to my next question. How fun was it once everybody vibed? Obviously you're a Steve's was the effort listening and most important.

But like you said, you got you know, Sean Mary and Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson Barbosa. You guys got a real squad. Whenever we played, y'all, we knew we were in front of motherfucking track meet war. But what was it? How how fun was it playing with that group of guys? Yeah? For short, every time he played, y'all go to state boy, we had we had to messure you strap up. Yeah I did, I did. I did. Give y'all that thirty point triple double. Remember they tried to put it, but

they tried to put us on him. All had to go on the more. But let me I remember this though, so look, this will happened, right, So they got they started a Donald foil right, so some kind of thing happened on a fast break where you dunked on the Donald so bad Nellie. Nellie didn't play him no more. Just let me and Matt deal with you the rest of No, he didn't even play him no more. That was like at least Filing the biggest guy there. At

least Filing ended this time. Yeah, like you had a lot of fun, man, Man, I was taking that was now no mercies, bro I was with no mercies. Man. The thing is, you know what I'm saying, We just hey, we ready to attack. Man. He was always an attack more you feel me? And so you know anytime we get an open court, man, everybody had to had had the green light to attack and shoot when they open and then met the game. A lot of phone force out there. Mm hmmm. So two thousand five, that playoff year,

you guys are the top seed in the West. You beat Memphis, you beat Dallas, Joe Johnson fractures his eyebow on the game too, Mrs. The rest of the series, and then you guys run into the Spurs in the Western Finals. Yeah, yeah, I stuck, man, because the Spurs, the Spurs um have a system that they run, and so when it comes down to the postseason, they they experience.

The experience is what kind of prevailed, you know what I'm saying the playoffs, and for us with such a young team who were still trying to three, that experience out and so we even though it was like stacked up against each other almost evenly, it's just that the experience of them knowing how to play, nor where to get their basket when it's like how to close our quarters, how to execute down the stretch, how the small ship that matters, Yeah, side of bounce plays, all these things.

They make sure they took care of all those and so it was tough to beat them. Man, we couldn't we couldn't get over with hunt that year. Next season, cartilage damage, you get micro fracture, and that's a scary surgery back in those I mean, it's still a scary surgery, particularly back then. Uh you know, that's one of those serious surgeries where a lot of people don't actually get the blood circulating back to their knee and it could be a rap. You came back, played all eighty two

games in average twenty. How challenging. How hard did you put yourself to rehab to be able to come back like you didn't miss a beat? Name a robot, everybody, everybody, everybody always said that, like all the surgeries just motherfucker that he went through and he come back still dunking and some people couldn't dunk when they got dragged. Yeah, man, I was you know, it was tough. Honestly, I was

coming to place. I was come to play retirement. You know what I'm saying, because you know, it was excruciating pain. I was feeling at times. I go out there the court and I tried to push through the pursuit of, you know, to come back, and it was like my knee would feel great one day and I feel like it's about to fall off. The next I was like, man, there's just too much to deal with, and so I

just persevere. I stayed with it. My family kept giving me encouragement, you know what I'm saying, and so I kept like pushing through and pushing through. And then once I got over the hunt where I started feeling better, um, and then you know, I was like, man, I'm back. And so I was doing a lot of cardio, I was training, I was listening to all my training staff about proper sleep, about how to exercise properly and using proper technique, and so I was doing all that, you

know what I'm saying. And then so when I came back that following year, I got first Team All NBA, got back to the All Star status, and I was like, I was on from there. I mean, you touched on something that and that was well spoken on. I got a chance of experience. But how great that medical staff

over Phoenix was. Yeah, they were top notch, man, Yeah, they were cutting there because a lot a lot of things that we're doing now far as like uh, you know, from the technology of the equipment that we have now and been using, like the corrective exercise is to kind of get your body warmed up and work on certain muscles that triggered certain areas. They started that whole movement. Yeah yeah, And so Aaron and Aaron and where was a cowboy? Who them do? And the was Aaron Nelson,

Mike Elliott, those guys. Yeah yeah, good crew matched out that crew out man. So but you come back, like the thing when I when I was reading over this stuff today with tripped me out. As you come back and you played eighty two games after a micro fracture. Then we've been talking, you know, throughout our time on this podcast, like eight two used to be a badge of honor, Like that's what everyone wanted to play. No

one was trying to sit out for any reason. And the fact that you came off of microsactor surgery and played eight two games just spoke to what it used to be like in the goal we used to aspire, Like everyone wanted to play at two games back then, right, Absolutely not not not no more. They hang out too late and they gotta hang over headache and that last two days they're not gonna play. Ship is changed for short change, bro, Like back then, we're like eighty two

games and you write so badge on them. And I played every game, you know what I'm saying. I was in the battlefield every night. I ain't taking no days off, no time off. It's like we're getting active every tingle night and the rest and none of that now in today's game. So old, it's an old it's an old different situation. Now, boy, they want to take days off and rest of recovering, time management, load management and all that.

Like in the day, it was like who's getting active, you know, regardless get out, whether whether you felt like it or not. You know, I mean, it was just that whether you whether you was hungover or not, whether you was hurt enough to still play or not. Like you just played regardless. You might sweat that out that one that ain't mad that one game you want to rest, that same motherfucker thent of the bench they've been dying to get out there might take your minutes in one game.

You never know, man, Come on that that next dog is always waiting. Two thousand seven, Uh, second seed. You guys end up making a strong push, um and run into San Antonio again. Talk to us about man, Man, We see we saw the spurs allway. Come here and I'll snip having nightmares. Like man, every ye read into the Spurs, man, and they always were like again, they always were like well ORed machine, Bro. They knew what to do, they knew how to handle business, they knew

how to how to prepare themselves. The veteran guys, they were like on point where everything they made pop made the proper adjustments down the stretch um. And so again, man, we had a hard time to know the hunt with them. But y'all had to me. I mean, y'all had a

good chat. That was the series. It was too too that Robert Ory ended up hit checking Steve into the thing you and I think Boris get suspended for a game for just stepping over the line, which was some bullshit ship And but I felt you guys had a real chiff. I thought that would have definitely went, you know,

couldn't change the whole momentum of the series without those suspensions. Yeah, man, question bro, no question, because you know when when that happened with Robert Horry, when he when he kind of chinned check Steve Steve, I don't know if he flopped or what, but when I saw him flying into the scoreboard, I haven't never seen the light that before. So I'm like, I'm like, I'm looking, I'm walking to the court, like what's going on? Like what is he? Like? What happened?

Like you know what I'm saying. And so we had no idea that that would lead to a suspension, you know what I'm saying. And so we sent that way on went on stut Jackson to make the call or whether we're gonna play or not for Game five, and I'm like, man, it's the playoffs. Man, for sure we would get a warning almost some almost for certain that would not to get suspended, like it would be a warning. Is the first time we ever did this. And he

came back with a suspension call. I'm like, what you know, it's a crab crazy man, I mean, I come, I went out the side of Mars downtown, the restaurant across the street from the arena, you know what I'm saying. So I went over there and took the firing over there and we watched because we we want allowed to go to the to the arena to watch the game. So I just went to the restaurant across the street and I watched the game in there, and I saw we had a chance to win. Game five was Beau

was a close game, but we end up losing. Man, I was, I was. I was heartbreaking, absolutely, I know that was hard. I mean two of your your your front court. Boris was a monster. Boris was an underrated monster for sure, And I mean, obviously should you already know what you was doing? So fast forward two eight lose Spurs. So that's when Pal goes to the Lakers

and they make a run at it. Two thousand nine. Um, isn't when I had an opportunity to play with you, But I remember was it was it training camp that uh you got you gotta detach right now. I thought your eyeball, like literally, I thought your ship was gonna come out. I remember that day. Yeah, man, I was a training camp bro. It was like, uh, we had a scrimmage that day. We had a scrimmage. We weren't

even at the facility. We of somewhere and scrimmaged. You guys are going for a loose ball in the corner. Who who? Who? Who poked your eye? It was boards, boards, d yes. When I hit the ground, I was like, man, what's going on. I'm like, I'm telling the training staff like I can't open my eye, just can't open it. And he's like a mard relaxes, your eye is open. And that's when I panicked, Wait my eyes open, hold

hold hold on. Say that again. So when I so when I hit the ground, I'm sitting there like I can't open my eye. I can't open it. And then the training staff was like a marve, relax, year, I is open. So that's that's that's when my heart dropped because I couldn't see that one speck of light. I'm like, I'm like, wait, what my eyes open, but I can't see anything, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, oh man. So like they're like, don't panic, don't panic, relax.

I'm I can't see. I can't see. And so they dropped like I dropped in there, and then you know, gave me like five minutes of soul Tim and his past by starts seeing like a little bit of light. I'm like, all right, cool, it's getting better. And then I saw some more like five tennutes later, and then then it eventually got back to a blurry state, and

then it got back to like a pent eventually. Um and then so I went on and played like half the season, and for some reason, my I was feeling like a little bit like a little lazy kind of before the game. And we played the Clippers that night, so I went out. So before the game, I went to the training staff, I say, listen, I want to you know, I want to get my eye checked out. And I get back to Phoenix and so I get

in the game play the Clippers. I got forty five that night, I'm saying, So going back to Phoenix, I go see the ID doubt. That just feel like a routine check up. He comes to me and said, Mari, you gotta have an emergency procedure. You have a detached retina. What I'm like, man, hold on, what's the retina? What do you mean emergency procedure? We got a game, We got a game Wednesday. He's like, your season is over like what I had forty five last night? What you

mean my season is over? Like? So that's then, and then I had to go through that surgery, and then in order to recover from that, I had to put a gas bub in my eye to keep the retina attached. So in order for Twister, in order for that gas Bob to stay on the Retina to reattach It at the leaf, face down for twenty two hours a day for ten days straight. Remember that ship. Damn that was some real ship. Needless to say, our best, our best player goes down. So we we missed the playoffs that year.

Uh but now I remember that eye injury. Bro, Like we was twenty two hours a day down, down and listen to time was like, all right, you got a doctor poement today. I'm like, yes, I getting I can look at how I can go outside. I look around. I don't like I'm about the going. I was going to disney World or something. Man crazy two thousand and ten Western Conference Finals, Lakers. You was battling with Kobe? What was that like? You know, we all we miss

we missed Code. We lost Kobe this year, but a lot of people didn't get a chance to battle with him. Y'all had some good battles in the playoffs. What that's like? Yeah, Code, Code was a forcedb be reckoned with Man. I bought a Kobe my whole career. Basically, when I first got to Phoenix, it was Shack and Kobe, and then it was then they brought in consulting them. So in two thousand and ten, you know they had growing our tests

at the time Metal World Peace. Uh, and so that had a solid team, you feel me, and so we did too. But every time he played cold, Cobe always pulled around after Hatt. Man, you always do some spectacular man the chance, I'm like, hold on Man, it were sent double teams at him. He faded, he turned away

from the double team, fade in the base line. You know what I'm saying, hesitation, split two dunk one time, like hold on Man, it's crushed time, Like we gotta stop Kobe, Like Grant, I'm telling Grant, I'm telling grand here Man, hey Man typened up man. But when you do what no we can do Man cold cold with special bros. Like, it's like I ain't never seen nothing like it. Mm hmmm. So that ends up that that that ends your time. Did you knew? Did you have

a feeling with it in the air? Did you have thoughts? I mean, obviously there was trade talks when you decided to take your talent to the Knicks. How did that come about? Yeah? You know what, there was there was some trade talks in the year prior. And I'm like man, listen, we we we only want we if Cobe shot a corner air ball run our test caught the ball and scored at the buzzer. You know what I'm saying. And we were right there. You know, Western Conference Finals. I

got a chance to go to the final. Is we only one game away? And so I'm like, listen, I just bought a crib in a bit more area. I'm looking to set up shot. My family's here, you know what I'm saying. I spent my summers in Phoenix. I'm always here. I'm doing everything for the community. I'm like, I'm locked into Phoenix, you know what I'm saying. And so I get into I get into the negotiating meetings and negotiators. Then goal is playing, you know what I'm saying.

And so I'm like, hey, man, you know it is what it is that you know, like, well, I got guys that can replace you tomorrow. I'm like, man, you're talking like that to me? Who said who said that? This is What's I was saying. I do Turky Lout, you do Lott and Josh Children. I say, man, you gotta be kidding me. Man. So I end up going I went to the next man Jack Jack Jack, He's a clown. I mean you you heard, I mean, I funk with funk with he funk with heto and and

and but come on, man, like cut it out. But but the fact, but the fact that he but I'm saying, the fact that he's talking to his franchise player like that just shows what kind of clown is. And then some some suckers, some suckers ship he said about me when I left, got back to me. That's why I wasn't. The year after I win, or maybe two years lay I got fined twenty five thousand were telling him to shut the funk up, for I smacked the shift out

of him, right. I think he was right in front of his wife, but I wasn't even talking to him, and he was over there in the corner chirping, and I already didn't like him. I already didn't like him. So he started talking crazy and I turned around off the felt like, I'll come over there and slap the ship out of you right now. The playoffs he I I'm like, I'm like, listen, man, you got if you can, sir with anything from a physical standpoint, you're not having

faith in your training sad. The trains STA have the best in the league. It WNNA makes you guys stay healthy. And you got a hell of a combination with Stat Nash. You you want to break that up? You were going to break that up, right. You gotta let that ride, Ye what I'm saying literally, you gotta let the wheels fall off of that until they do. Yeah, because Nash Nash started his mid thirties, you know what I'm saying.

I'm in my I'm like mid to late twenties. Even if you played another five years together and Nash we started retiring and whatever happens from there, but you gotta you gotta see what we can do at least when that when that didn't happen, Now, I went to New York and we got a popping up in New York. Yes, sir, uh, When you decided to go to New York, was it a process where you would talk to anybody else about possibly coming with you or were they telling you that

they were going after anybody else? Yeah? I mean, I mean, I mean when I when I when Fredncy hit, it was like it's a big freatency that year, you know what I'm saying. Everyone was everyone Lebron. Everybody was like a fridge in that year. And so, um, Miami heat was the first thing that called me. Pat called me. We talked on the phone. I talked to the Rockets.

I talked to the Nets at the time of the Jersey Nets at the time you know what I'm saying, Um, And so I talked to I talked to the few teams and in the Knicks, and so I spent a lot of time in New York and my child years, I was raising Port Jervis, New York, and so I was always like, you know what I'm saying. Always I had a love from New York. Maybe though I was a Boys fan. My I was an m J fan growing up, but still had had love for the Knicks

and the bull in New York growing up. So when when when my D'Antonio was there in New York and some of the coaching staff that I was with here in Phoenix was already there, and like this might be a nice fit for me to just go there and kind of pick up while left off. And so that's when I that's when I decided to go to New York. And you know, and and yeah, I want to bring some guys with me. I talked about bringing CP, I talked about bringing Tony Parker. I talked about bringing Mellow.

You know what I'm saying. I end up bringing Mellow to New York. You know what I'm saying. Like I was already on that, like bringing players in to the city to make things happen here. Um, you know, so that was an old mission's What was it like becoming the Nick though? Like what was that experience? Like? Like, well, like a lot of people want to play in the garden, A lot of people want to play for the next

just that experience of playing the Madison Square Garden. It's one thing being that watching the game, watching Spike and all of but actually being a player for the New York Knicks, one of the best players coming out of the locker room every day, dealing with the media and all that. What is it like actually being a New York Knick player? Enjoydan Man? I really did? I think at that time the front office was like on point. We had we had we had we had you know,

solid GMS. We had Dunney wasahs there, we had Glenkwood, we had you know, Dunney Walston doing the heck with job. That's my guy. He was doing a heck of job in New York and everything was running perfectly from an organization standpoint. And then so when I was there with the Knicks, it was like, you know, um, everything is top notch. Everything. You got the Rockets performing a halftime, you got you got Taylor Swift during the pre game like a pregame. Uh um intro for the Knicks. My

family meeting there, their favorite artists. Everything was ranked class A. Broadway shows. I was going to the net galls in fashion. I was one of the first guys to go to the fashion shows and city. You know what I'm saying, sit in front rower and the win Tour. I was going to the to the operas. You know what I'm saying. I put on the tuch seed on go to the opera, and you know what I'm saying, Like I was doing

all that New Year's Brown Man shit. I love I love hearing about that off court because although it wasn't the championship type team, it's still you guys made the playoffs obviously, but it's still New York, you know, similar to l A, Like there's no experience like being a Laker. But then that experience like being the nick is right there, you know what I mean, because in New York is obviously live. So it's dope to hear like all the ship off the court that came with it, because you

guys are doing your job on the court. Yeah, and nobody was doing that. I'm like, listen, man, right they was in white plain, white player, man. Listen. I found me a penthouse in the city, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm gonna enjoy New York and also hold myself accountable to being a player I need to be to make this team a playoff team, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, it was definitely a vibe.

Mm hmmm. So despite a big season, you guys, uh go down to Boston, uh and come across an injury in two thousand twelve, and after that it never really seemed like you were No one's really paying for you, but you were injury ridden the rest of your time

in New York. Yeah. I was struggling, man, I had a I was after like this like third year, I started having like you know, some my minor little injuries that were added up, and I was trying to get my step together, but I couldn't find the right proper technique with the training, with the training situation, and so I was having some knit not situations, like going through that whole process, and I couldn't really get it figured out. And so for like two and a half years I

was written with like a little small, little injuries. It was effective, but it also felt positive about it because, you know, bringing in melow No, I was able to someone carry the load, even though it was tough for him to be by myself, but he was still able to carry to load and try to do what he could to make sure the team was still being successful while his big dog was still trying to get himself together. So you know, it was definitely a tough stretch there

in the last two two years or so. We'll go into a little bit obviously of how mentally tough that is. I mean, you were a rising superstar, uh, multiple time All Star. You know, if it wasn't for the Spurs, would have definitely touched the finals, possibly want to ring, but then just not to be able to contribute when you're playing on the biggest stage. I mean Masson Square Gardens, the mecca you know. I mean you you spoke on how fun off the court was because you guys are

doing your job on the court. How mentally tough was it being able to get over those hurdles knowing that, like God damn, like I know how good I am, I just can't do what I'm supposed to do because I'm hurt. Yeah, it was tough. It was tough, man, I mean it really was. I mean it took it took a lot of mental mental strength in order to understand and had had a mentally get over to get

over the hump. I mean, I went. I was trying everything, bro, I went vegan for four months, trying to make sure he properly makes my body gets opt him on my opportunity to heal and get healthy. Um, I was doing it all, but I was trying to keep myself and know what I was getting proper rest and everything. Is trying to do whatever I can and to not be able to you know what I'm saying, to get out there and perform on certain nights. It was tough for me,

you know what I'm saying. With My family kept me kept me focused. I'm saying. My children, my babies kept me locked in Like when I go home and see the smiling and hugged me no matter what. That kind of that kind of brought me back to a humble of humble experience. Um so that helped me along the way. When did the red wine bath recovery routine begin? And does that ship really work? Hey? Listen, man, I was, man,

I was, I was, I was. You know this this female friend I was, I was, you know, talking with she gave me a gift, right, and she gave me a gift and to give was to go to this ancient bath place and you go in there, it's like it's like very romantic. You have like the hot tub, sala, the cold plungs, you got all this. And then the gift for me was like to take this wine bath, like a wine bath. I'll take a wine bath for so I go in there. You know what I'm saying,

take the wine. Get I get into the bath. It's like half wine half water. It's like ninety eight degrees a hundred degrees in the bath. They bring your ice water and also they bring your glass of wine and just relax. So I was doing it. Man. I took a little selfish shot and it went viral. You know what I'm saying. But yeah, anytime I had a day off, I go there and all the all the baths, right, the salt bath which us with body protroven nation, the

cold pluns, contrast between cold and hot. You know I'm saying, I jump in the wine bath. It was like a nice little day of recovery for me. And so that's what I was doing. You started doing that as a regular routine. How much with one of those wine bass costs? Because you said, you're only you know, you only soaking the finest of wines. Me, you gotta you gotta cut the check, baby, you gotta cut the check. Yeah, so I'm saying, so how much? How much? How much with

the wine bath cost? I need to know. I'm a I'm a port drink of my marks that I love drinking ports. That's my thing. Ports. I love, Paul. Yeah, so we sitting on a cal I want to know what was your most expensive wine bath? Most expensive wine bath? Yeah, man, I asked some zeros to that. Yeah, because you're a bit you you big, big motherfucker. So it's gonna take a lot of bottles. Actually, you know what about the tub six for people. So it's like I've seen it.

I've seen the thing you did on ESPN. Yeah, so that was bigger ship. Yeah yeah. So from uh, you leave the Knicks in two thousand fifteen, signed with Dallas. Uh, bounce around a little bit, then you head off to Israel. What what what made you choose Israel? Did you feel like your time in the NBA was up, you wanted a new challenge, something different? What what what made you go over the water? Yeah? I found I went from Dallas to Miami. I played one year with the Heat

and then um, then I went to Israel. So so the team in Jerusalem I became part owner of in two thousand twelve, and so I figured I figured I might as well go over there and just helped raise the equity of the team and also and also learned while I'm over there, you know what I'm saying, And so that's what that was part of the process of While we decided to go over to Israel, is for both reasons to to learn and also to try to raise the act of the other team. Michael Jordan, I

played for the team I owned. How were you embraced? You mean, obviously NBA superstar uh, goes over there and plays for the team he owns. What was that fandom like? Because if you I never got the chance to play overseas, but I just when we went over When we go over there in the preseason or you see other sporting events, European fans are over the top. So I'm sure the love was crazy for you out there. Man. It was crazy, bro, it was crazy. I mean, I have my own song,

had my own chance. Um. It was crazy, man, every every every game, it was like fans outside waiting force. When I traveled to Europe, we went to different places over Europe as fans, there were you know, posters and cards for autographs and photos. Um. And then I won a championship that year over there, my first year over there. Also it was like you know what I'm saying, it was incredible and it was. It was a great experience. M hmm. Once you won the championship overseas, you a

god to them. I won a championship in the in Dominican Republic. Was that nine And I still get texting DM them asking me to come back. They they carried me, Matt from the arena. So I live enabled, which is called Pueblo and the weather was like five blocks from the arena. They carried me in my uniform from out the arena five blocks down to my house. This this so they that I'm just saying to say, overseas, they really appreciate the game and their fans. A law, you

win the championship for them, they love you forever. I think I think they did that Jack texting you and ship still because they want you to come back and check on your kids you left over there. But I've never met in denial, you know what I'm saying. I was eighteen nineteen. I've never seen that many beautiful women. You might have one of the time. I might. I

might have one to tell you. That's why they still d M and you and texting bad numbers like man, mother Funker had a kid here ninety ain't seen him since I let me. I let me They probably eighteen so good. So you decided to convert to uh Judaism? When did that? Uh? What? What inspired that? Yeah? So I grew up in Israel LIKEE you know so so so I was always kind of engulfed in like the biblical understanding, and I was always like in tune with uh with with with the Bible, you know what I'm saying.

So what I wanted to do is learn more details of what you know, what I'm saying, what the Bible is really saying. And then and then, and so what I was able to do is really get engulfed in like the learning from a deeper magnitude and all the details of like the intricate learnings. And so once I realized as a structure of that, once I realized is a way that you can really like learn all the blessings and how to build a closural insup with God. This is where this is where I need to be.

And I realized that, you know, the ideal of like you know, obviously Judaism, but obviously like just being a Bible scholar, the idealist is to be able to to live like the profits lived and how to really how to connect yourself with a total with a total aspect of righteousness and how do you do that with as I was searching for that, you know what I'm saying for a long time. And so that's that's kind of what led me to like going through the conversion um

in his room. So it sounds like a special place you man, you got over there and got to finish playing your career with the championship in the m v P and then you know, convert to something you've always been interested too. So that kind of ties me in. I mean, you were someone I mean if you don't get it, like people see you on the court as like a monster and the killer. But when it comes to details and and and and and art and and all these in wines and that the sophistication fashion you're

into all that. Where did you pick up just all the nuances of life? Because because could you live it good? You know? It's funny, man, you know, to be honest with you, like even my trouble and childhood growing up and having to move to run from the police, you know what I'm saying, from one step to the next and all that, But I was I was able to kind of somewhat um learn from different cultures on where we moved to, you feel me. So we moved from like Florida to New York, from New York to Atlanta,

from to North Carolina, you know what I'm saying. So I'm in, I'm in the mixt of all these different cultures and learning from all these different vibes to where you know, as I've become, you know, a young man, all that that I experience is still instilled in me, you know what I'm saying, So as I come across those experiences again later in life, just because naturally kind of reconnect to all those different elements that I was already somewhat you know, somewhat experienced when I was younger.

Mm hmmm. So your journey as a player comes to an end the same year your new journey begins. How are you excited? Are you for this next chapter? Uh? And what's going to be an amazing book of your life? Yeah? I'm excited, man, I am excited. I think you know, the opportunity now is just not like I'm in business school right now, so I'm going from my master in business, so I'm locking in on that and just trying to really trying to get myself in a position well maybe

they're like, really have a career outside of basketball. Um, and then this journey with like into the coaching space or to the front office space, whatever that may lead to. You know, It's it's an interesting moment in my life at the moment to be able to like really capitalize on there and then build relationships with the players, um and be to help school then on how to be successful on and off the court, um and So I think it's it's a great transition from playing because I

played last year. I just played like three months ago with that MPP of the finals, and I got to a contract on the table to go back over and play. So I could still be very well playing right now professional basketball. But I but I'd rather just kind of come in and really start my after playing career sooner than later. It's fun. Hey, I tell you, Matt that

I plan on going back getting my business degree. Man, I'm gonna be calling your phone so you can walk me through that, because you know, neither one of us been to college, so that's gonna be down. I know that was a step, that's that's a step in the focus you got really locked in. So I definitely plan on taking that stage, bro. So I'm gonna need your

advice on that, sure. I mean my thing, My thing is always have like someone you can study with, like a tutor, or somebody who probably already have been there, or someone who's like into business already and already like involved in that space. So that way you can always like to learn with them and they can help you along the way because a lot of that stuff I never heard before, a lot of terms, a lot of situations within that, within that schooling process that I need

to help with. And so I have a tutor that I kind of studied with and we both kind of learned together, and it helps me kind of learn as we go. If you can tell a story on your career, what do you want to be remembered as, uh your NBA legacy? I mean, honest with you, I mean I was I was a fierce error player. You feel me like I got tacked the rim and every by any means,

you know what I'm saying. But I think I think the ideal of my career is that I was able to persevere, you know, not only not only through life as we talked about earlier, but also through like yeah, and also through like the injuries of my career, being able to persevere and still come back play any two games and then become first of all NBA and then still you know, it's six times All NBA and still

play eighteen years of professional basketball despite all that. So the perseverance, you know, is kind of where it's sat. As far as a basketball player, I mean, i've I've I was a part of an evolution of the game with the Suns. We we we we kind of, you know, somewhat change the game in the way we kind of evolved the game and push the game forward. Um. And I think that's very important in in NBA history for the guys who are able to push the game forward

and change the game in the positive way, It's important. Um. And then when it comes when it comes to like Poster and guys were attacking the rim, I mean, I ain't something. Only a few guys that can think of that that attacked the rim. You know what I'm saying with more force than I did. You know what I'm saying, only a few guys I can think. So, you know, you know, I'm proud of what I was able to accomplish. Man.

I thank God for allowing me to play eighteen years and still be able to maintain a career and provide my family. UM. So it was a success for me. When you look back on an eighteen year career, anything you change, um, I mean it's not too I look at I look at us. If I've made the right decisions. I mean, my idea situation was Evan was to play with the Sons all the way through a man Steve kind of rock out until we both retired. That was that would have been an idea situation for me. But

I don't take that. The experience I had in New York, it was like I could never duplicate that again in my life. It was something that was amazing, amazing experience. So I can I can't really change anything because it all, it all made me who I am today. You know, all right, man, we're coming down to home stretch. You go, quick hitters. Uh. Top five artists any genre of music. Top five artists any genre music, tupac to core. Uh,

Marvin Gaye, m yes, Frank Sinatra mm hmm um. Let's see man, we got um artists right between my artist Andre three thousand. Oh what was that was that for? Mm hmm? And then and then I'm going with I'm going with Michael Jackson. Yeah. Uh, well rounded lists, little rounded list. What teammates you play with that gave you some memorable career advice? Shock that showing my teammate who gave me the most advice from a christa point, whether

it was business, um, whether it's entrepreneurship, whether it's basketball terms. Um, you know, I think shock shocking when that gave me a lot of a lot of polity advice, Um to help me out a lot. Hey, I've been wanting to get Shock bad on the phone or on the show, just to talk about the ship he would do in our fucking locker room. Bro. Remember what kind of wild as ship he would be doing every fucking with lou Now, Jack, you have no idea what kind of ship this motherfucking

Shock was on in the locker room, Bro. Unbelievable, crazy at fun, there was no rules, like, there was no like are you serious? Like the nigger had no filter when it came to playing games. It was unbelievable. And uh, pick up game at the best park in the world. Who are for other players? You're taking with you? Pick up game, Steve, Uh, pick up game for sure, for sure, Bright Nash For me, Um, it was like like random random players were like, Yeah, anybody, anybody you want, Man,

I'm bringing I'm playing. That's black top in the world. Man, I'm bringing my I'm bringing, I'm bringing. I'm bringing a lot of a lot of legends I played with. I'm bringing Jonathan Harket, you know what I'm saying from v A. I'm bringing my man. Uh m hmm, I'm bringing my man Tyrone Sally. Y'all ain't never heard this cash man. Yeah. And then if you go NBA, man, if I bring, If I put Shock and MG on the court, we could m hey two two of them nick names still

got a house. Money played at West Virginia, both Man of Sally. I played the Mountainsion with. Both of those guys had like a forty five inears vertically point guard Trown settled like six eight win player. They both played college basketball. Mhm, shout out, shout out to the brothers. Name one player you always wanted to play with. I wanted to play with Lebron m I felt like I felt that Brian and I have a similar similar mindset when new comes, like trying to dominate the game. You

know what I'm saying. It being able to have like that killer instinct on the court, you know what I'm saying, and applying leadership in ways that not only vocal leaders ship but also like you know, example leadership. And so yeah, man, I wanted to play with Lebron because I saw a lot of similarities in the country of those attributes with me and with myself. Uh. Five dinner guests, dead or alive for another conversation. Five dinner guests. Uh Muhammad Ali, Um,

Malcole Max mm hmmm um. Two parts are cool? Um was that? Three? Mm hmm straight? Um Abraham Lincoln mm hmm mm hmmm um. And I'm probably gonna go with Man. The fifth one, I'll probably go with Uh, Maya Angelo, May Angelo, nice, it's nice. Five. Next question, your answer? You have to help us. What's your answer? Okay? What guests you want to see on our show? What guests want to see on all the smoke and probably will I would love to see catching the mall and all

the smoke? Oh? Ok do you hear that k dot? You gotta line? Okay, that you gotta line? Okay lately, man, I know he's cooking up something and laugh. I know it's gonna be h It's gonna be scary. I can't wait to hear with all this ship going on, you know here, man, I can't wait thinking Tupac coming Man facts all right, Mark started mind. Man. We appreciate the time. Thank you, very much. Good luck this season with the nets and in your next chapter of life. Many fellers

man must success. Keep up the good work, fellos. We appreciate it. Man, we're respected. Thank you, Bro, appreciate it. Stat I appreciate you. And we got to get together and get on one of these parts man, when you get some time. Absolutely absolutely for sure. Alrightm o hey, that's a wrap. All the smoke. You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the Heart platform Black Effects.

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