Allen Iverson | Ep 46 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

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We went and got him for y'all. Wasn't easy, man, It's busy, Hey man. We want to welcome everybody man one of my favorite players friends, brother Allen Iverson, to the show. Man. We appreciate your time, brother Jackoe. We forgot our hand shake too, man, They've been more. My hands haven't been more. New season, Baby, I got all my new products from now I mean from Matt. I got all my new products from Matt and make sure you could get your youth products too. But we mentioned it,

like we said, you know, you were the one. We always randomly asked who people want to see, And when I tell you, it's like of the comments are we want to see Ai. We want to see Ai. Man, how does that make you feel? You know, you've been removed from sports for so long, but still people still want to know all about you. It's just it's God, you know what I mean. You love me, You love me,

um Man. Just being up here. I was just so excited to come up here because the YouTube dudes, man, you know what I mean, Like y'all know how we feel about each other. We're talking about what I mean. And then for me to be able to to do this for y'all, for our fans, for the people that genuinely love us, it's dope. Is legendary, is monumental. That's why I said to you in the text, you know what I mean, We're gonna make this legendary. We won't talk about the stuff that people want to hear mm hmm.

Now they re aired your doc we aired on Showtime just recently. Um, after seeing that and being removed again, what you take from that? What do you what is your take away? What do you think about when you look back at stuff like that. I don't know, man, I got you know, a lot of mixed emotions when it comes to it, because it was so many great times, great moments. Then it was the hard ones. But it

was just Medan Allen Iverson. You know who he is, me being chucked, you know what I mean, Me being the guy that would fall down, get his ass back up and fall down, get back up. You know what I mean. I owe it two my family most importantly, Um, y'all my homeboys, order my teammates, ordered my fans to fight, you know what I mean. I'm a fighter, man, you know what I mean. It's the same fight, different round, That's it. I grew up in Newport News, Virginia. Two

sports star quarterback. I mean, you know, I played a little bit of football in high school. Jack squears he played football, um for point guard a quarterbacks and then he was he was even with my teammates like he was my teammate and he act like he don't know, like he's seen some ship, you know what I mean when it comes to football, Like he's seen it, you know what I mean. And Matt was so cool to me because he was or handsome, pretty boy dude. But

it was hard. Yea. That's like the people act like they act like they don't know, Steve what I was in football, you know what I mean. They act like they don't know, like I was way better in football that I was in basketball. That's crazy to hear though, because no one after looking back with your career, wasn't the NBA to know that you were a better football player. Yeah, Like because it was you were way more raw than me in football. You were raw. It was my it

was my it was my first love. I just remember, like my old lady went to another high school and you know, they used to talk crazy to her about what they were gonna do to me, you know what I mean. Yeah, they're gonna break my legs. They're gonna And I was like every time we played kickatan like, oh, I'm murdering the people, man, Like for y'all talking crazy to my girl like that, you know what I mean. And it was like I always took it personal. I was born in Hampton, but bought up in Newport News.

All of the guys from Newport News with homeboys that I grew up with then and I went to Hampton because I couldn't stay out of trouble. And what was like, man, you come in happen like when I flunk eighth grade. I missed sixty nine days of school and and Moe was like, no, you coming to Avone. You're trying to throw it all away. And I went to Hampton. So when I played against all of the neuper News schools, you know what I mean, Yeah, you know what I mean,

I'm the guys that I grew up with. I'm gonna beat y'all up. Man. That that just let let you know how great God is, because I'm a Hall of Famer and basketball? What was that she played on d I played safety. The cornerback is the hardest. You got to react to everything. That's tough position. Quarterback, The cornerback is just Deon said the other day, I think um Ramsey just got his yeah, and I think Dion said something about how a cornerback, you know, can't get paid

like a quarterback. You know, we already know quarterback is. That's the spot, but a cornerback is just the hardest position. The cornerback is also the most dominant position for blacks in NFL. Jason, last one was the last one. Boy on this ship? Up, boy on this ship. But let's seck in and look at you be on it. Where can they get to show my socks as well? Okay, put your putting? You a little ashy, put your socks up. I don't know, should get the cameral the eyes obviously

classics as nice. I'm the coach of the obviously Classic. Every year he has his own game to celebrity, celebrate all the high school top high school players in the country. How you got some shoes? He ain't got though, because I'm the coach, right, Okay, Yeah, that's what happens with that. Yeah, yeah, we have we have we have them coach to man. Yeah fresh fresh been the coach can continue to be the coach. Yeah. Actually the same guy shout out to Bobby inside the job. They in the process help him

me create my own game from this? Is that right? Yeah? So, but out of obser Classic we got we got postponed. This year we're supposed to shoot our show from there. We're supposed to shoot our show. This was this actually interview was supposed to be. This is supposed to be our season one rap was yeah in Philly, and this year was gonna be great. We was doing it at

Kobe High School. We was doing that Lord Marran, so we was doing a great tribute and we had our first girl in the game this year, our first girl in the game. So we're still gonna do it though, but it's it's just a game to honor him and the honor to high school. Pleasant and since you announced that you're gonna have your own game, now we already know who the coach gonna be game you. Yeah, I bet that will work, Yes, sir, done deal. So back to winning to you led your teams a state championship

in football and basketball one that your junior year. Um, what was your deciding factor in choosing? Because I had to say make how you I'm sorry, man, but how are you getting nice like this with because I never yeah, but I never I never saw this coming, like like play would this dude? Man? And he was always like She'll never always quiet because I wasn't getting a chance to play. So I was just in the background, high just watching everything, watch the time, go back. That's all

I was doing. I used to have a hope, man, Like that's all I did. But you nice, you nice with it, nice with it, like y'all y'all different, you know what I mean, And will make y'all, will make y'all so excellent. And and it's no disrespect to anybody that didn't play. There's no disrespect on them because these dudes that that no, they know their ship, you know

what I mean, they didn't play. But it's it's so different with y'all because y'all know all the feelings, the emotions that the locker room that you know what I mean. The media y'all, y'all know at all. But I feel like this to the people that that no the game that haven't played it, they either coaching it or working around it. Not on TV talking about it. They basically working around people around the game. Like Lawrence Frank never played basketball, but that's one of the smartest people in

the game. Yeah, you know what, There's a lot of people like that. Yeah, And I think I think like I knew it, just like I know with Jason Kidd, I think Eric No should be a head coach. But I knew it with Steve Nash like I knew it because he has so much the offer to our sport. Because he's excellent. He's a great person. I never had the luxury of being around him a lot, but just hearing stories from other everybody, yes, everybody. Just a beautiful man.

I want to see him succeed in the situation that he's in with those two great players, with all the other guys that they got around that team. It's a recipe for greatness. It's gonna be great for Kyrie, Steve. Steve gave me Steven Stepan Marbury gave me the most problems, gave me the most problems. I love Stefan Marber. Yeah, Steve was just headache because he could do it. He

could do it all. Didn't have John Stockton moved you know what I mean, just right here, you know what I mean, just know how to get it done, you know what I mean. Steve was just Steve was excellent man. And shout out to you, Steve man. I want to see you do great man. I want to see you be a legendary. Greg Papovitch, Larry Brown type influence and people whose lives like you know, they were to me. You know, Greg Papavitch was so great to me from

a far away, always supportive. Yeah like that, just excellent. And in our league. Somehow, some way I need Larry Brown in some capacity, in some capacity, just even just just this. This is all I want to do. This is all I want to do. I just want to share in mine experiences and my my my trials, my tribulations, my ups, my downs. I just want to help, you know what I mean. I just want to I just want to help with my voice and my experience. I just want to help little guys and not let them

make the mistakes that we that we made. You know what I mean, And it's big. Most people don't realize when you share, Like when you're in someone to be your statue and you share, You're not sharing for the poor me. You're sharing to help other people in the Simil situation, you know what I mean. But I can go through it. If Jack could go through it, if Back can go through, I can get you know what I mean. I swear to God on my life kill

me dead today. I wouldn't trade nothing, nothing, I won't I want to be if if I could die today and then live again tomorrow. I want to wake up being Alan Iverson all over again. You know what I mean, all over again? You know what I mean? Do do I regret a whole bunch of stuff? People ask me what I change things? Yeah, because I don't have friends that I love and they weren't A driver that I had the other day he told me, stop feeling like you can put your energy or or expect them things

from certain people and it will limit your disappointments. That's happened to me so many times, because the only people that hurt you, it's the motherfucker's that you care about, what that you love. You love them so much, but they don't. They don't like that you give it all but they don't give it all back. Yeah, it's like it's I expect I know I love harder than everybody else. I know that, and it's things that I can do financially for people that they can't do for me, you

know what I mean. But all of the other areas you're supposed to have them covered. You know what I mean, all them other areas you're supposed to had them covered. Like I can. I can. I can do stuff for you. I can give you a dollar, you know what I mean. But I can do all the other stuff too, but you not being able to give me capital. You're supposed to be able to contribute in other areas everything, every

other area, you know what I mean. I love talking to my guys and telling them things that I've been through in my life and to show them, like even with a relationship like I've been with my old lady thirty years now, you know what I mean, married, divorced, all that. You know what I mean. But you know dan right, I lave you to one. But dudes that's married that I rock with, and I'll be telling them like, this is where I went wrong. I don't want you to go through this. I don't want you to go

through this. So when I say stuff to him, like, the most hurting feeling is when a dude look at you like, oh, why you think you right because you alan averson? No, man, I'm right because I'm right, and I'm right because I love you. I'm I'm telling you what I went through. I don't want you. I don't want you to get hurt like this, you know what I mean. I remember going through a divorce, dog man. I remember walking around this motherfucker a hundred and fifty pounds,

you know what I mean. Can't eat, can't sleep, you know what I mean? Just thinking about her, you know what I mean, hearing her voice, why I'm sleep and and and thinking about was it worth this for you, having the fund or whatever to he it was when he was doing whatever, he was going to break it down, to break you down. Mean you man, the people that you love, it's all you got, man, Just on Instagram and stuff like that. I don't look at my comments, Oh I don't. I don't post stuff for likes. I

post stuff for y'all to see people that really love me. People, Let me see what you're doing, Let me see you. I fit the day, you know what I mean, Let me see let me see what you're doing. And then and then and y'all say something up there, May you look cool or this that in the third. But I can never be on a certain a person page if I don't like, I don't even want to see you know what I mean. I'm not gonna be on Trump page,

you know what. Like, I don't rock with you, so why would I be following you or worrying about what you're doing? Though, it's a weird ship. You see the most people talking to you looking there following you, Like why, I like, if you don't like you don't like me, what's the point? Like you wake up every day looking to just go say some negative. But that's the world we're living today, and it's crazy and something fortunate. It's people that got more money than me, less than me.

I'm always the elephant in the room, you know what I mean. Like I can be in the room with somebody to work at McDonald's, somebody that's on the Fortune Fine Hunt list, and I'm gonna treat them the same way. I'm gonna treat them the same way, you know what I mean. Like I got friends that's rich like you like you see, you know what I mean? And I got friends that funked up, But I treat them the

same way. And and that's why, and that's why you get so much love, because people understand you're gonna hug the balls just like you hug the workers. Yeah, that's how you've always been. And then and then you talk about the clothes and all that. People look at your page because you're a cultural icons The way I dressed right now is because of you everything, So you're a culture. So people looking at you right, people are looking at your page to follow, not just for your lifestyle, is

because we love you, bro. And you gave a lot of people confidence when they didn't have confidence in they saves. You've got a lot of people know that they can beat themselves and still be successful. I tell you that ship all the time. And it ain't just us, Bro, it ain't just basketball players, That's what I'm saying. It's wrappers, it's everybody. They You gave them the confidence to beat themselves and anything they can do, all of us, Bro, And that's why people follow you. And you got to

accept that. And we and you know what I'm telling you giving your flowers because you mean a lot to us. We can't lose you. We just lost Kobe. We can't lose you. We're gonna give you all the flowers in the world. Bro, right now, you feel right now, straight up? And then that's why we have to have you. What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong with being you? Everybody else, everybody else taken taken up? What's wrong with being you? You're

disrespecting God for giving you life. If you think that your life ain't ship and you want to be somebody else? You know what I mean? What's wrong with what's wrong with being you? It's cool being you. I don't give a damn you rich if you if you're rich, if you you don't. Man, I never knew when I was gonna become rich. I ain't know, but I ain't. I didn't. I didn't force try to force my hand on God saying oh today it is fucked up. You know what I mean? Um, why I'm not rich yet? Why I'm

not rich yet? When? When? When? I? When? I? When I played at Georgetown. It won't time for me to come out my freshman year, you know what I mean? Like I won't. I won't ready. You know what I mean, I won't ready that mother, that man, what that man did for me. I remember, And I love Philadelphia. I love the fans in Philadelphia greatest in the world. No

relationship it's like my relationship with the Philadelphia fans. You probably could look at um Kobe in l a. Braun and Cleveland Mike in Chicago, but hands down, ain't no relationship like the relationship I had with the Philadelphia fans. They're the toughest fans that went over. That's why. Yeah, because I had to go. I went through it. I

went through it. But Coach Thompson, Man, we was playing Villanova, and dude had a sign that said Alan iverson the next MJ and had MJ crossed out and had O J. And it was three dude, I mean four dudes in the stands and they had on all orange jump shoots with chains and and and shackles and all that. And Coach Thompson was like, no, if y'all don't get them out of here, if y'all don't get them out of this gym right now, we're not playing. And they excorted

them out of there and the game went on. That dude, like I remember just being at the free throw line when I when I came to Georgetown and everybody just jailbird, jail bird, jailbird. And I had to deal with all that, and he was so protective of me, man, you know what I mean, Like even the first night that I was on campus, he came up there, they and everybody, Coach Thompson, you know, I'm doing the ship that I don't suppose it. You know, I'm smoking, you know what

I mean, I'm I'm I'm he was all in back then. Yeah, man, I'm smoking whatever. Coach Thompson came up there, and it was like Coach Thompson looking at you. Man. I remember just trying to get myself together when wash my face, you know what I mean, the high No, but he ain't. No, he like you think he didn't know. He knew, bro, Yeah, I came on there. He was like you a little man, like, yeah, No, I was trying to get away from them so fast, like I'm cool. Coach. He told him, why are you

standing so far back there? Come come here? So now you're telling me. He probably knew this little motherfucker eyes hell, you know what I mean. But he was he was like and he always talked about the fact that, um, I never complained about them people throwing me in jail like that, and people tried to at home. I love I love Virginie and I'll rap it to the fullest.

But they tried to ruin me. They didn't want they didn't want me to be what you just described and who I am to the masses, you know what I mean. They didn't want for me to go to any country in the world. Soon as I get off the plane. Everybody in the airport know who I am. They didn't want that. It was certain people that didn't want that. The the guy that locked me up, that threw me in jail, he died, and me and my baby girl sent his family flowers. You ain't do nothing but make

me stronger. Straight up. That's all you did. Was made me strong. I needed you in my life. I needed you. You was you was You was monumental in my life. You was you was an intricate part of my life. You touched on my next question, what did you learn? I mean, that was obviously a highly publicized incident in the bowling athletes, like you said, nearly injured you before you really got started. What did you learn about yourself and your views on just what kind of threat they saw?

You asked Matt. What I learned was I knew that I was young and immature because of being in jail. I wouldn't even scared like I wasn't even I wouldn't like now, you know what I mean, if I was to go to jail right now, I would be terrified because I'm older. I'm not I'm not immature like I was back then. Back then, I was just man's what up? Back then, I would do a dumb ass. First of all, I was the worst rapper in the world, you know what I mean. I was doing it, but I was

doing it because my homeboys. That was what they wanted to do. So the opportunity presented itself and I could help them. So that's why I did it, you know what I mean. Like I learned from them. I didn't learn well, but I learned from them, you know what I mean. But back then, Matt, I was so nonchalant, and the only thing that I was scared of is that my dream of being who Mode molded me to be as an athlete was gonna be over. Like the old head people in my life, I just never wanted

to disappoint them, you know what I mean. You know I had that fear, not a Mode kicking my ass a couple he threw me through a one shield before, you know what I mean, but just not being who God gave you the talent to be. You Matt Barnes, Steve Jackson, You're supposed to be what God gave you the talent to end up being, you know what I mean? And that was my fear. That was my fear letting, letting them down. And then the fact of like Coach Thompson used to tell me, oh, you have this motherfucker

you eating three times a day. Huh. You didn't breakfast, you didn't lunch, you didn't dinner. But your mom down there and some days she don't even eat. She living down there, and that we call my homeboys used to tease me, they called it the dills affect. It straight from the sewer because in our crib we had, we had the crib and we never could be bad for it in our house because the sewer from up under

the house used to the carpet. Yeah, and it's just wet, like you're walking through this motherucking crib and it's just question, you know what I mean. And it's stinking like a motherfucker cutting the lights on, roaches running there, you goddamn where. No water, no hot water, you know what I mean? No food? Bacon Solda? What bacon Solda? And and wear fair cheese and the motherfucker. And he used to you know, that's what was his way of getting to me. Oh,

you want your mama to around, that's what you're doing. Yeah, keep keep living like this right, I ain't gonna argue with you. I ain't gonna cut you out, you know what I mean. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna talk no ship to you. I'm just gonna tell you this is what you want for your mom and your sisters, right. And I could just snap out of us, Steve, you know what I mean, and go get right back on

on on my path. But I don't know. I know I went all over the place from what you asked me, But we want We spoke on two people, obviously, one being here Mo and then John Thompson. It sounds like to me from the outside looking in, with two integral figures in your life and kind of kept you from making all these left and rights and kept you going straight. Talk to us a little bit about both them. Obviously we just lost, you know, one of the greatest coaches

of all time, resting peach Coach Thompson. But I know he was an intrigral in, you know, keeping you on the right path. We used to tell me about all the time. Is the ship that I was just talking to you about. He said, I ain't never complained for what they did to me. He always talked about. He admired me for what they did for me, and being there young and not complain. But my whole thing was God gave me another chance, so it won't no need

to con blame because I got a chance. Like I'm recruited by everybody in the whole country and both sports, everybody, and the situation happened with me, and they almost got away with it. Thee they almost got away with it because if my mom didn't go up there and beg him to save my life, it wouldn't be no Alan Irison the coach rule icon. Did everybody know if he didn't give me a chance, he gave me a chance. Do you remember what John Thompson was known as Alonzo Patrick,

the Kim bay the big man, coach, Marcus Allen. I mean, I'm Marcus Allen, uh Alan, so another big man. They had another seven for the last name was Alice from my hometown. It was it was big man, and and everybody always talked about how he couldn't coach guards. But then all of a sudden, when you think of Georgetown, as much as I love Pat, as much as I love Alonzo, much as I love to Kim Bay man, it's Bubba chucking, you know, to me and and and Mo.

And MO was just so intricate in my life because that was the first time I saw a man married to a woman and had a kid and didn't hustle. I went to work every day, more worked at Avon, man, like a little girl, more work than Avon with my mama. That's how, that's how, that's how I met Mo. My, my mom and Moe worked together at Avon. And Mo was talking to Mommy about me, and Mommy was saying, my son the baddest motherfucker this in the third day, whoop whoop. And Mo was like, man, that little you

know whatever ain't ship, you know what I mean. He was like like, man, come saam, just come check him out. Y'all football your football dude, Right all right, y'all football dude. So y'all know what hot ball is? How ball when you throw it up? All right? Well, we was playing hot ball. Mocaine our hood just rolled by, you know, just because he was a football coach, rolled by, you know what I mean, to check check me out and see what was up. Everything else is legendary, you know.

And told my mom like when when it told? When it told? My mom said, Yo, yes, he's the one, and then and like we we UM. We lost our first year, we lost seventy six tom Strong, and then we wanted five years in a row. I ain't never played. I played UM. I played in immediate every year five years straight. But when Moe came and got me, he came and got me and took me to Hampton and put me in the skills position. When I was in uh newper News, motherfucker's had me. I played center, Steve.

I played center. I played center because they were like, I just wanted to be on the field, and they had me. They had me, you know, they was, you know, saying who can hike whatever? Whatever. I don't like anything, I do anything. Just I was number double zero, uh Steve, like man. I played UM. I played the year before that, that was Door Miller. Year before that, I played the t v P. I played wide receiver. They threw me the ball one time and bitch went straight in the air.

I used to cry after a goddamn game. We lost every game. Second year I played playing for Door Miller, I'm the center, number double zero Steve. Sorry as number. I couldn't stand with mellow water. Now number five pounds, look yes, listen, I'm at six bread, I mean at the bus stop. It's raining and you know, um, everybody trying to get on the bus. You know what I mean to getting the sitt in the back where you can cut up, so you want to get on first, so you can sit in the back. Man. I'm up

to motherfucker, motherfucker pushing me, man, and I failed. The motherfucking bust roll over my ankle, just sitting on my ankle. I'm sitting there. Everybody banging on the um, banging on the window like miss Burry, Miss Burry, you know what I mean? You you um, you're on his ankle. You're on his ankle. She like what what? You know what I mean? She finally opened the door and they're like, you on his ankle And I'm just laying there. I guess I probably was in in shot or something because

goddamn busts on my ankle. I'm a little ass kid. Motherfucker roll by. I get up, Steve, get up and try to walk up on the bus. She put her hands on my chest like, uh, you gotta look, you gotta sit down, you gotta sit down. I sat down and then motherfucking pain came and I'm like, oh ship, I just passed out, you know what I mean. I woke up the whole fucking neighborhood because I'm the I'm the neighborhood, the star, you know what I mean. And and you funked up. It's all over, proud of you.

I woke up, I'm on the guerney and they pushing me out. I'm just looking at everybody in the hood, you know what I mean. I just see everybody crying, you know whatever. You know, they put me in their joint and I just remember my grandma telling me at the hospital. I was like, no, no, I ain't gonna never be able to play no more. And she was like, don't worry about that. I was like, none in my ankle. My ankle is messed up. And she was like, son,

don't worry about that. Instead of your ankle, it could have been your chest or your head. Dog. I played a month later in the championship game. A month later, you know what I mean. Like, my the doctor was like, you know what I mean, Like how your ankle is? How is it not um shattered? It won't even broke, It won't even broke, you know what I mean, I'm like, yo, it was man, what Like I believe in him. I'm not no, I'm not no dude that I you know, be up in church all the time and whatever. Like

I pray, I pray. I pray for Tijuana. I mean, I pray for my kids. First, I played for Tiuana. I pray for my family and the wildest ship as I always pray for me. Last I pray for all that because I know without them, I'll be so lost. I'd be so shattered, I'll be so dismembered, I'd be so discombobulated if I didn't have the people that I love like him, like this is my my best friend.

I have no problem when he tells me I'm sucking up like I'm I'm I'm the epitome of being able to take constructive criticism, Like he's not gonna say nothing to me just to be fucking with me. You're not donna just saying he saved because he loved me the way you and Matt are me. Y'all met Alan Iverson, But y'all still love Bubba Chuck. Y'all still care about Bubba Chuck. Eric snow still care about the guy funk that Alan Iverson ship. You know what I mean. I like,

I think it's dope. I think it's cool. I don't want you wanted to love Alan Iverson. I wanted to love Chuck fifteen years old, Chuck, Bubba Chuck. You know what I mean. I don't want you to start looking at me like I'm Alan Iverson, you know what I mean? Like when when me and you talk like me and you like I like to talk to you, I'll be my certain certain friends of mine. I'll be like, why

this motherfucker calling me on FaceTime? Like dude, motherfucker's just want to look at you like what I look you know what I mean? Like? But then when when when when I like, when I call you, I like to do that like I don't want to see Steve, like

I don't get to see Steve, you know what I mean. Like, And then when you call me on face sound, I'm like, you know what I mean like and and and and and it kind of it kind of makes you understand like a motherfucker love hearing your voice, but mothercker want to see you too. You know what the mo Moe said to me yesterday And I was like, man, what you turn this off or something, you know, because you're getting old. Because he said to me, it's great just

hearing your voice. I'm like, what you know what I mean? Like what you got going on? He was like, no, I'm saying, I just just bring hearing your voice today, you know what I mean? And this ship was so fucking dope to me, man, because I heard you. I heard you talk about some ship when you had when y'all had Stephen a a bit, and you was like you said something. It was only something you could say. He's, you know, emotional guy like I'm not I'm Matt Barnes tough.

I'm Steve Jack tough on that dance floor, off the floor. Man, I don't want no problems with man. Man, how many times we have been on FaceTime and tells time, I don't want no, I don't want I'm not out here trying to be no tough guy. Man. I'm not. I'm not tough. Man, I'm not. I don't don't approach me thinking that it's some tough ship going on with me. Man, that's basketball. When when when they talk about how tough

Alan Iverson is. You know what I knows too. I know it's a lot of people think we're tough because of the stuff we were able to endure and come through in life. That they look at this like, I could never go through that? How how how are you still standing right? How? How did you make it through all that? All these people talked about you and said you was just said you was that, but you still keep going? How did you? How did you? How do

you have that strength? So that's why people automatically put that that tough tag on you or that are that are that he's hard tag on you because they don't they don't understand how can somebody go through so much and still shine like a diamond? Bro. But that's just what we do. We make a lot of pressure up the pivot into the ninety six draft. That was the hell of a draft class yourself, Stepfi Marbury, kobe An, Tom Walker, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil, greatest draft he was

in there. So that's your introduction to that Philly fan base. You talked about it and tell us about the beginning of your career. Obviously there had been a spam where they hadn't been to the playoffs in a handful of years. Charles Barkley was gone in the early nineties. You come in nineties, come in ninety six. What was it like at the beginning trying to build your beginning of your career? So, because the same thing you spoke on Matt with the fan base being and so tough, right, and then I

was coming in. I was a point guard, but I've always been a killer, so I was score not being traditional. They were hard on me, you know what I mean. And then I came from Georgetown Villanova. Yeah, so you had those fans, I would say, kind of not giving me a chance to develop, you know what I mean. They wanted it now years old. They wanted me to take a team championship, right, and it was it was hard on me. From what you just said, Steve, what I had endured in my life, it was way harder.

And so it probably didn't even register and bother me like it would anybody else. That was the number one pick, you know what I mean. So it didn't it didn't bother me, like, Man, I'm in the NBA. I just got out of jail, you know what I mean. Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm making hears of dollars, like I'm taking care of my family. Tawanna is straight, you know what I mean, Like my daughter is straight.

So it's like, man, funk that ship. And then you know what God do, and great coaches do what Larry Brown did, and great teammates do, they help me, you know what I mean, get to what we ultimately you know, end up becoming. Remember Brown said about me and you mm hmm. It's a quote I got to. I took the copy, cut it out the magazine. God put him on this earth to coach Allan ivis and to Stephen Jackson. Wow, and he the greatest? Like that was how how how

is he not involved in any organization at all? And he don't want no money. He just wants his voice to be heard to help. He want the game to stay appreciated. Yeah, I am for him to for him to say, he say, he go around in life and every way yet airports, you know, wherever, yet and people walk up to him and say, you're Allen nervous in his coach, or you were allanvouss coach. And he loved

that feeling. Dude, you know why that makes me feel though as much as we look up to him, I remember I remember I did something we were playing a Lando and I hit the winner, and I remember your reaction, because man, you we jumped up. We you know what I mean something we jumped up, and you know what I mean. But your reaction and and when you say you won't play, but you know the type of motherfucker you are. Your reaction for the success that we it's

always been that way pure. You gotta think I'm a fan like I'm, You're some of we all look up to, and I'm pretty much I just had the best motherfucking sea in the arena right here every single night. I say, because he missed his I mean, can you imagine? I mean, you're already an icon Hall of Famer, but if social media was around back when he was playing, you mean, you gotta think that first. When you how you hopped in the league with the cross Stoker on MJ. But

I was front and center for you. You making a lot of people fall down. And if you look back, like my kids were looking the other day, they're like, Dad, I didn't know you played with Alan Iver sounds like I did, and I watched them. I was, you know, but I jumped off. I jumped off the bench like a couple of times where he would just cross. But to me, it's just about seeing it was I've always been teamed, but to get you know, get a chance to just see what you went through every single day.

People don't understand first of all how fucking small you are, and then to see the burst of sacks on your elbows or how beat up your hips are. Like this motherfucker, I couldn't move, and then all of a sudden at the games, he's amazing. The only motherfucker's that No for real, his motherfucker's like him that played with you know what you mean? That like Tiwana Iverson, Like good, sit up and watch me walk to the bathroom in the morning, and like, ain't no whar in hell he's playing today?

You know what I mean? Because mother fucker Fred Sam from Nika. Just man, I get there, see the motherfucking fans man, look in them eyes. Man, what I'm playing. I don't give a funk if the ship hanging off. Man, I'm playing, you know what I mean, just for my just for my guys man, and then and then them

fucking Philadelphia fans man. But just like I'm not an activist, like I'm Marvel, what you do like I'm so proud of you, Like I mean you're talking about when we face time and and and and I'm crying and ship like that, when I see you on Instagram and then when I see you, you know, on TV and and doing your thing and standing up for us and all that. Man, that's Steve. That's that's that's what he was breddy to do. Man,

he is that man. Just like you. You said all the time, you didn't ask to be put in this situation. It it happened, and and and and you took the responsibility and took off with it. And I'm doing it and I'm doing it and I'm gonna be the best are doing it, and I love it and I love it. But I don't try to be Steve. I don't try to be Steve Jackson. I don't try to do that. I don't try to go out there and let me try to be better than Steve. Let me be a

better activist than than Steve. Man. All of it is wrong. All that ship is wrong. We know it. You see a motherfucker, uh, somebody get murdered for no reason. It's wrong. You don't. It's just wrong. You don't racism, you can't. You can't change nobody. And I said, I won't even talk about this, but it's here. You can't just tell a person that's racist, man, that is wrong, and then that person is gonna be like, all right, well I ain't racism because you said it's wrong, because you man,

God gotta do something about this. Don't work like that, man, Evil is evil and good is good. Man. They don't have a color neither because they're coming all. I never, I never, I never. I'm a hooper my whole life. I've been around everybody. I watched that. I say that all the time as a basketball players, it's kind of hard for you to be racist, bro, How can you be kind of hardest? But especially grow up in the air U circus and all the different races we come

up with play. If you are, you're gonna stand out Like you think I don't love count Corver, You think I don't love Keithing Horn, You think I don't love Time to Color. Like you think those guys were just my teammates. No, man, we went through war together. Man. With the narrative though, Chuck, that's the narrative. That's why we got our own show so we can paint our own narratives. Now they can't just say Chuck hate that people are Chuck. Is this na You can't say that.

You can talk to Chuck, you can interview Chock, you can ask me yourself. I've never I never, I never, I never had a it's never been a race that I had a a problem with. Man. Do you know who threw me in jail? A white man? I don't have no problem with white man. You know how many white people I love? You know how many Jews that I love? But it says a lot about you and your character, though, because you have faced racism at the highest level. But I look at it like I look

at people. I look at people. I don't look at your color. I look at people. Do you know how many do how many black people? African Americans ship on me? What? What? What? So? What you're saying? I don't love Matt, I don't love Steve. What you mean? We definitely gonna be our own worst than the mantime? Yeah, I don't have no racist bones in my body. I look at people for what they are, man, You know what I mean? I don't. I don't. Just like we talked about earlier, man, I don't look at

you because you're not rich. I don't shame you because you're poor. I don't shame you because you work at McDonald's. I come to the goddamn window to get my fries. God damn it, I'm gonna treat you like I would treat anybody. It's good in everybody. Do you know what I mean? It is this this, this goddamn this world. We're trying to figure all this this stuff out. And what I'm what I'm saying is like people need to believe. Man,

believe in their faith, whatever it is. I ain't saying you gotta be a Christian and you gotta be a Muslim or whatever you are. Man, believe in the good that that come with it. Religion aside. Everybody that's stands on side of love. It's time to come together, regardless of what religion you are, regardless of what couse of color you are, if you stand on side of love, this is the most important time to stand on on the side of the next person. We're standing on side

of love, to push the people who hate out. This is the most important time. All that religion, all of color, all that stuff do not matter at this point. You goddamn it don't matter at all. Look everybody, everybody's saying and it makes it makes me so mad when but I understand people be saying I can't wait for to be over, and my old thing is like I was thinking like that. I was like, man, Kobe, this damn disease, Um Coach Thompson, what else you you can help me?

Um George, the police brutality, the protesting and and all of this stuff that's going on, And it's like everybody's saying, you know, we just want to go, and I'm thinking in my mind like, damn, my nephew was born four months ago, so me saying is so bad. No, I can't say that. And then it's like everybody in a hurry for one And do you know how many days there are between right now? You ain't promised tomorrow. So what you're hoping fast forward, you're trying to fast forward.

What you're trying to fast forward something for? I learn more, I learn more to ship. I learned more in twenty than I've learned in the first forty one years of my life. Me too, I learned more about myself, more about other people, more about history more. But I've learned. I've educated myself more in the last couple of months, and I've educated myself my whole life. It's a pivotal year. This is I mean, this is gonna be a year

that's gonna go down in history. More world, it's gonna it's gonna be gonna talk about this year in the history then that you have been having history books, but when our kids kids are in school, like, is gonna

be one of those historical pivotal moments in American history. Man, for all the positive reasons you gotta you gotta figure out as bad as police brutality and racism and all that stuff, somebody getting shot in the back seven times, and is as bad as it is in your mind, I'm thinking it's gonna get better, you know what I mean. You're just thinking positive. You're not thinking negative. Man. It's gonna be all right, man, you know what I mean.

Mo will always tell me when stuff happened to me in my life, and I'll be like, man, damn, you know what I mean, And mosay, son this to shell pass. You're gonna get through it, man, God gonna get you through it. Man. You know what I mean. You are beautiful man. You are a great person. Man right here, You're great right there. So that's what's gonna take care of you, right there, That's what's gonna take care of you.

Your heart, you know what I mean. And and I and I look at the situation with these police officers, and I the bad apples are the bad apples period, you know what I mean. But I, man, I feel sorry for the dudes that really protecting sir and care because they're getting painted in the same brush, because they're getting bruised just like the ones they're supposed to be getting. They gotta deal with the aftermath of the bad cop acts. They gotta deal with it. They gotta go out there

when they're really trying to do their job. Now they're feeling for their life because the one dump one dump racist cops, you know. And it's really not Faul. You know it's not Faul. But at the same time, you always thought that question, well, where are you good cops when this is going on? Wow? Where are you or where are you when after it happens when we're protesting. So it's it's it's it's a fine line, you know what I'm saying. You can't you can't act when you

can not give support. But then too for the you know, for the cops to do try to call out people their black balls. There was a cop in l A that was that that blew the whists on that that Compst and Sheriff Department with the two cops just got shot. But previous, maybe a month ago, he blew the whist on just all the bullshit, the racist and that was going on. Now his family is being threatened, he's being threatened, cars, fun with all this kind of stuff. So it's just

like an ever evolving cycle that just continues. But you gotta think about it. If policing started as slave wranglers, that's why they started police was to catch slave So anything that's built on the foundation of that's what policing was built on. So how can you expect it to ever be That's a whole another conversation. But it's crazy. But it's like I said, it's just I agree with you, you know every day, but you know, every day we

wake up it's a blessed day. Although ties been terrible, it's terrible moments, there's still been plenty of blessings within this year. You know what I mean, you got to find that silver lining. We're back. That's a big blessing. We gotta were breathe it right now. It's another blessing. We got a chance to get better tomorrow if we make it to tomorrow. But today we have more hours in today to get better. And when we got down on the couch, uck here on the did what I'm saying, Hey,

come on, man, life is great. I'm taking advantage of it. I hear you that. Man, I play that song over noon, life ain't so bad, and it ain't so bad at all. Man. All moving back, so you you you probably make the playoffs in ninety nine, you beat the Magic, get swept by the Pacers two thousand, come back strong. You had to say that he hit up. That hurt me. That hurt me because I thought I thought we were on the way. Man, I know, I knew we were gonna win a championship once we got by the Pacers like

they were thrown. I mean even the year we beat them, they won Game one, didn't it at our house? And I'm like, man, here we go again. Man, these dudes, Man, they had the roughest, toughest team. Man, you know what I mean, they had the roughest, toughest team you win. A VP talked to us, what that was like two thousand one. You remember, I was getting ready they was getting to trade me to Detroit. I was getting ready to get traded the year before, and then we came in.

We won ten in a row, and it was like, man, when you know you're the baddest dude in the world, like you ain't never get the recognition of being that, you know. I was always, you know, it was always something about why I'm not a great It was always something it's posse has hairs dressed, you know what I mean. It was always something other than basketball. Count them because yeah, it was like, damn, finally like they might be, you know,

turning the page on. Because you know, some people say, I don't give a funk what they say about me, you know what I mean. I'm like, that ain't true, you know what I mean, Like like if a dude call you a child molester or rapists, you don't care, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know, I got to the point where I was like, damn, you know what I mean, Like, wow, you know what

I mean. M v P The best player in the whole world, you know, because I remember leading the league and stills three years in the row and not even being honorable mentioned all defensive, you know what I'm saying. And then Larry Used did it the year after me, and he was first team All defense. People just don't want you to win, just you know, thinking they're picking

on you because you are you. You comfortable being you, you know what I mean, like and and certain people don't like that, Like it wasn't that I won't conforming and ship like that. When when when I was dressing the way I was dressing and stuff like that, I was dressing like, damn, my filing got some money, I can wear you know what I'm saying. Like the dudes from my neighborhood, they would love to wear this right here, the fresh white teas, the ten x look, the jerseys

I used to go to. I used to go to Big and Tall in the in the dudes um that that I played with, Derrek Coleman and all of them. They used to get mad because they like man Chuck. Then went to the Big and Tall and bought all this and bought and bought all the ship and we ain't got nothing. They ain't got nothing in there for us. You know what I mean? Just Steve, just living man. Just wanted to be happy. Man. Just they don't take much, you know what I'm saying. Just man, my kids, my teammates,

my fans, my friends. Whatever I like to eat, whatever I like to drink. Man, that's all I want. Man, You know what I mean. I just want to be motherfucking happy. Man. God damn man, God Damn Mary J. Blige. Man, be happy man. That's it man. What's wrong with that? Man? What's wrong with that? Man? You know what I mean? Like, Man, we need you on the show. Mary joant me to cut you up as we sing in the Queen Mary Day.

We need you on the show. That's right. Just just I mean, and be around, be around the people, man, that that you love. Man, that's it man, you know what I mean. What's what's wrong with that? Man? What's wrong with that? Man? I don't want to go outside and feel like as soon as I go outside, somebody gonna shoot me for nothing. And you can't being life scared to live. I'm not being scared to live, man. I'm wearing my mask, I put gloves on, whatever I wash my hands. I do all of that, you know

what I mean. But I gotta all of a sudden, I gotta walk out of here and be scared for when when when somebody coughed around me or sneeze. It's so bad that when we cough, we get scared. We used to cough a whole like forty or five years old. I used to cough all the time. I got calling, I started calling, I getta. I hear people calling. They as soon as they called, they said, disclaim I was just smoking week. And it's not It's not funny, but

it's it's funny to me. I'm talking about when when you're in line, you know, I just heard somebody called them, you know what I mean? Like yeah, Like, man, what is what is this world turned? You see everybody around

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three one in the playoffs. Memorable moment which I kind of thought was mirrored a little bit in this playoffs this year with with the run that you and Vince had. We have vins on a couple of months ago and he talked about that back and forth uh that you and you and him had during that playoff run dropping fifty and just how you of that game? Seven't miss shot? What was the most rememberable part about that series with him? Mhm him amazing? People, I think because he played too long,

people forget how fucking amazing Vince? Oh my god, Yo, But look who you think was who you think had the craziest hops ever? Him? You think him right? You know what's crazy? As much as I want to agree with you, who you got Trey Egua dolla. Remember young Aggie was not Bence though I know, I know, I know it, don't it is. I don't want to be politically correct. I don't want to be. I don't want to because I could trust me that guy right there that he had the left leg now wasn't the most exciting.

He took the world by story man and his style. He just changed the culture. We all know. Mike was like you know, Mike was different, like Dr j was Dr Jake. Then Mike came with the whole you know what I mean, everything else, you know, different, a little different. And then Vince took it to another level of the mike that excitement to it, but excitement to it, and then that and then his his jumble was so pretty.

His handle was so crazy. First step was crazy. His first step was so crazy because if you get by you you know what, you know what's going off that's gonna happen. I just don't want people to not recognize with andre Igu Dolla was or is as far as leaping, you know what I mean? Like I remember him, you know, he telling me, man, all you gotta do, Chuck is work on your legs. Is work on your legs. I'm like, man,

I'm not lifting no weights. Like why you don't want to live weights, man, because they too damn heavy, you know what I mean. I don't live weights and they're too heavy, you know what I mean? But he being there, man with his trainer, and I just seen him do so many things man, like just getting off the floor, man, like get his head on the room. I remember, remember when you you were working on throwing, you just throw it here and he would come from underneath the bobbles

over the team. That then you got to practice that ship at practice. Just throw it here? You where you want me to throw it? Mocking chuck, throw it off. The back side was the back of the side side of it. Come underneath that. That left leg was unreal. Man, his left leg was so crazy. But he can go off too, but his left there's a one foot. And that's the person who had a lot of people don't realize, who had a lot of game, but just always played

his role wherever he was at. He was never really asked to go get it, get it, but he could if you needed to. I think he was count he was just he was a superstar. He played the superstar road when I left for a little bit up when I left. Yeah, he took the cake. You guys, run into the Lakers in the two thousand one finals, go into l A get game one and then another moment

that would have been it still is infamous. But if social media was back then, when you hit the jumper on til and stepped over, I mean that still gets played daily looking back, but not almost twenty years ago. What do you think about that? I don't like it really because I love him. I'm about to say that's his boy, you know what I mean? Like do you think tu had braids? Yeah, and he was giving me. He was giving me so many problems. Man, he was he was straight dog and he was he was harassing

me so much. He was playing you in practice. Yeah, and he was just on me so much. And what's

so crazy, Matt, I don't know how it happened. It's like, you know, okay, you think a monumental moment with Lebron when he did that, you know what I mean, But he probably didn't know he was getting ready to do that, you know what I mean, Like the moment and just the feeling, like when I stepped over him, it was like I ain't know I did it, and then they try to get me to mimic the ship years later, like I don't even know how to do it, you know what I mean, because it was like I know,

y'all know, you know what I mean. But just for everybody else that you know that didn't play, you don't know when you're gonna do something. You don't know the emotions in the game or what go on throughout the game. It can be a coach that piss you off, you know what I mean, and then you react a certain way, you know, to basically telling him, yeah, you know what I mean, Look what I did? You know what I mean? Like you don't, you don't know, so I don't. I don't, Man,

I don't even that moment. Yeah it was. It was dope when you look back on it. But I just don't like it because like my homeboy one day, he made me so mad. We was playing. Um was he did he used to coach Boston or somebody um time m hm. Anyway, he was in the building and the pictures they had the pictures, you know what I mean, in the in the arena, and my homeboy's gonna tell him to sign it. Man. I got so mad and my custom out so bad. Man, Man, I got so mad.

What was it like playing against Shaq and Kobe and they're prime with them with those Laker teams? Terrible I have, Um, I think I have a championship ring on if Shaq wasn't who he was in that series and it was crazy is people were saying the Ken Bay had a great series, But I don't know how you had a great series if the guy you've gotten averaging thirty and fifteen, but Shaq had his way with damn near everybody. Then you know what I mean, especially two thousand and one

and Cold. That was the first of the three p right, I was the first one of the second one, the second of the three, the second one. Remember they were undefeated in the playoffs until they came in and got game like. They were just rolling, you know what I mean, running, and then it was it was just it was just too much Shock in his prime. And then you got Kobe and his prime scary damn man, you know what I mean. And then all you gotta have is other

guys out there, fish them dudes playing their roles. They defense. Who was Homie Hory but pretty boy Fox, pretty Rick Fox out there. And then all y'all gotta do is make wide open shots. You're getting millions of dollars to just get the shots. Them three throws. How you going to be Kobe getting on the attention, shot getting all attention. You can't double Shock, And if you don't double them, it's a barbecue chicken. You gotta double Kobe because if

you don't, that's and it might be three or two. Yeah, it's gonna be three a lot of time, and it's gonna be three a lot of you know what I mean. So it's like, then you got fish just relent his on D. You know what I mean? He playing hard at hell on D was the definitely George B. Shaw. I know Jr. Riders on that team, but he was just in street club. Yeah, Ji Joan playing but it was it was somebody else George too, Yeah, but Devin George did it, did it. It was tough to get

the team you got there was. It was impressive. In a show two thousand sixteen, you get the call that you're going to the Hall of Fame. I know you cried, But what was going through your head initially, just after all the ship you had been through nearly the world, never even knowing Allen I Prison, to go into Georgetown, to becoming the number one pick there, all the accolades you accumulated across your career, to get that finally get that nod. You've spoken about it in two thousand one.

I've been the baddest motherfucker. I finally got recognized. And then the all costs. When I heard the phone ring ship might sound arrogant, cocky, I knew it. I knew it. I said this, I said this it and then I just hugged her and you know, we cried and it was like I did it, you know what I mean, Like I did it. All we want to do is make it to the biggest stage and dance. All we really want. Like people talk about, you know, my most

memorable moment, it was getting drafted. But then something like that is not one layer of icing on the cake, you know, a hundred layers of icing on the cake, you know what I mean. And it's like yeah, yeah, Matt, yeah, Steve Man, she just says, ain't better than Ai. Man, he's better than Ai. Well, my homeboy in the Hall of Fame. And then what such your sense is gonna be in the Hall of fame. I we had this conversation, you know what I mean, Like you know, the barber

shops and the beauty salons. Is like, man, you can say what you want to say about homeboy, but here hall of famers. You know what I mean, you could talk about man. Man he shot too much. Man, he he turned the ball over too much. He he wasn't a team player, all right, man, Well, ain't too many dudes. Hall of famers. Man, what do you do? What you've done? Whatever you done, and what did you do? How good of you did you make? What did you do? Yeah?

You got come from your church league team? Yeah? Man, who you play for? Right now? Well? Are you talking about this Hall of Famer? Man? I get in that. I get in that realm when I'm watching games. And that's why I'll never be a commentator, because I don't I don't like, I don't like talking ship about nobody. I look at it, like, how can you say an NBA players some ship made on the highest level days, what do he would do to us? But they they

they're great to you? But yeah, yeah, yeah, Like like do you know what he would do the last person on the bench with a do you know he would do in in the gym? You know what I mean? On the wreck league court or you know, just a pick up game? Do you know what I to do to you? For the world? There's only four hundred in the whole entirely world, four hundred fifty four fifty and the whole telling that all the time, man. And that's

I mean. And that's why me and Jack are really in this media space now because I get tired of hearing people who never accomplished nothing like you can disagree or not like someone's game, but just the form of disrespect that's not needed. Like you cannot like something, you don't have to disrespect it. And it's crazy that the amount of disrespect what comes from my fucker's who've never done nothing, not them the reason why you talk about

sports because you weren't good enough to play it. They wake up in the morning moving their closed basket, but they can't throw a sock in the basket, you know. But they want to talk about somebody not making a shot of that. Listen, that's crazy. I know this. God, it's one guy that I want you to I'm looking what Camera'm gonna looking at you. I'm supposed to look at one guy. I know you know who I'm talking to. I know, I know you hate me, and trust me. Trust me. I don't hate nobody, Yes I do, I

hate you. It's one guy that you know I'm talking to that they're talking about right now. I know to one guy. Know that it ain't who you think it is. I don't have I don't I love I got love of Skip. I got love a Skip. So you know, I know people think it's Skip. It's not you. You know what I mean. But it's a guy to do exactly what you do, and just trust me the way you hate me, motherfucker, I hate you too, you know

what I mean. The feeling is so mutual. And and you don't help me, and I don't hope you And I'm fine. I'm fine out here regardless of how much you talk about me. All right, all right, just know what I'm talking about, and I ain't And I'm not mentioning your name because I only want the whole world to even know that God them and I give you that type of love. But you know, you know, you know,

you would not know what's going on. Oh, and you and your daddy, you ain't your dad, both the both of you, both of you, both, both of you, both of you. When I come in, I want two and three to bothe for both you ain't you, ain't your daddy and and and and the world can figure it out. But I ain't saying your name. And you did Hall of Fame class um obviously resting peace star brother Koble're gonna get to him in a second. But k g uh duncan what was it like playing with those guys?

I know you've had battles with all of them, Okay, Tim was one of the greatest teammates I ever had, and I played with him in Me and Tim was the only ones to go after someone's going on overseas or something, and me and Tim was the only ones that ended up going. The original team didn't go so put together the whole team. Le Bron was on the team, mellow the way, but they was, you know, you know what I mean. And I just remember Tim telling me because we had a hard time was getting I asked

with and I had um. I remember just Tim telling me, Man, play like you play, you know, play like the past you were to us when we were you know what I mean. Don't be out here trying to play another way because we're playing with a you know, a whole bunch of Olympians, you know what I mean. And I just remember him being such a great teammate. I remember m we were in our dorm, I will sleep and I woke up and I had peanut butter between my feet and all in my hands and the motherfucker tickling

my taking my face. Yeah, and I slapped my face, peanut butter and ship everywhere. And I ain't gonna tell you the story that happened after that. I let that person if they want to tell that story, I let them tell it. Tim snitched on who did it? I told you and he gave it up. And trust me, something happened, something happened at that. You've asked him about it or you asked the person that that that the altercation? Huh man did it? Answer? I have the answer, yes, no,

Jim said, Jim. You know you know um dudes that that know me, don't call me, Alan will call me. AI. People about Tim though, Tim is not scary, no at all. He's not a scary guy. He know do the UFC fighting all that now. Tim has always been an action junkie. He is totally obviously what people think here know, not scary atoll And you said KG official block family official

block family man. My girl When me and my girl get into it, she always she don't never you know, because I say, I don't like the word real because I think it's fake, you know what I mean? But she has say why you got a tattooed on you? You know I got the realist tattooed on my back. But so authentic, man, he's so authentic. I gotta use the word real. Just real, man, just just just he just cage all the time, you know what I mean.

And then and and he used to confuse me because he would say, what's up to you in the beginning of the game, and then after that, you fuck you? Especially at the jump ball he talked to himself he might not shake your hand, none of that, none of that, you know what I mean. Like, look, I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe. I just remember one game with Keith van Horn and he was killing Keith, but he was what he was saying to yeah, like after he scored

on him, what are he was saying? And I'm like, yo, man, I'm and I'm and I'm honestly I'm looking at the referees like let this go. Yeah, you can just he can. He can talk like this. He got You're right, he got away. He want a person to talk track all time and got away with it. No, because because the person, the young bull that reminds me of him is Westbrook. Because Westbrook language if when you do certain stuff it's outrageous, like when you get a one or he dunk or something.

He just and I'm like when I was playing, like if I said the word motherfucker, or nigga like that. Man, what, Yeah, you're gonna have a short leah, you know what I mean. And I'm like KG was just vicious, but he was so bad his mid range game. I mean he'll get a bit off the glass and push it all the way up court at seven foot, I mean, could do everything. Man, could do everything out there on the basketball court. Man,

you know what I mean. I played against him in the Nike All American Game and he was just his energy and everything was the same way. He's a Hall of Fame, I mean for that's first ballot, right, I mean rightfully. So he was so dope, you know what I mean. And and you remember KG was crazy when all the fools was grazy. Yeah, she ye, I mean I mean them them All Star games with them four man during that Aaron crazy. Come on, Mann, I love

you KG man right. And and and congratulations man, yes, yes, congratulations absolutely Before we get to yeah, before we get to code, you wrote a letter for the players troupe and I'm gonna read it, uh titled the Code. It was like heavyweight fighters beating the hell out of one another, and then the bell was nothing but loving respect, greatness, needed company. We needed each other. Mike needed Prince like Prince needed Mike. Tyson needed holy feel like holy Field

needed Tyson. Talk to us about your relationship wait Hope, and what it was like going to war with him over all these years. I didn't have a personal relationship with him. But you know how killers respect killers. You know what I mean? And that's and that's what it was. He knew who I was, I know who he is. He gave me that push. I gave it to him. I love the stories that people give me that were teammates,

that were friends. I love the stories. I wouldn't say it bother me, but um, I wish I could have had a better relationship with him. Um as far as how great other people said he was, I want that energy around me. He was just Yeah, he was the ultimate. He was the ultimate competitive man. Like you're lucky six eight six six. That's what he always That's what that man said. When I heard that, it made me feel so good. It because the respect that that he gave me.

It was like, you know, just like Max. You know, I watched First Take, and you know I listened to Steve and Max go at it. A lot of people don't rock with Max. But I love Max because Max Max always take up and me don't. I don't like the other guy, home boy. Okay, let's get back on track. I would go all the way off, all right. But he said something like, if Kobe and somebody had a baby,

you know, it would be me, you know whatever. And you know, just for people to put me in the same sentence with cod just just make me feel good about my grind, my mom, my family, my teammates, y'all, my homeboys. Just it's just it's a tribute to y'all, you know what I mean. For a month sucker to put me in the same category as Kobe Bryant, Like, that's so dope to me. Is this story true? Our story that I heard that you landed in l A

and Kobe picked you up he lacked range roll. Yeah, he picked you up because he wanted He just wanted to chop it up with you. And after y'all go out to eat or whatever you decided to go out, he tell your ass, I'm dropping you off to the hotel. This is my stop. I'm going to work out, I'm going to the gym. Is that true story? He took me out to eat? And I said, what you're getting ready to do? I'm going to the club, and he said,

I'm going to the gym. And that was him. That was that was that, that's that's that's what made I mean that greatness. That's that's where that greatness came from because his work ethics was just. But I guarantee you it's probably a hand full of people on the other team that he was playing that he did that that he can't because you know, Kobe, he ain't talking to no to do the game, damn sure, not about another team.

So I'm just saying that show respect. He hap up nobody. Yeah, he was studying the whole time, was saying, oh bullshit, that's how he was. He was. He was a sick oh when it came to that kind of ship, like trying to find any kind of advantage or angle he could possibly get. Like I got stories when I got a chance to play with him, and just to see what he would do to study people, study films. We're flying to Spain one time too, in the preseason. I've told the story before, but he had I thought he

was over there wrapping everyone was sleep. I went over to talk to him. I was about to talk to ship to him about rapping, but he was over there with a piece of paper, like thirty different basketball courts on and he's just like, I know that I'm gonna draw the least three people. So I got the guy guarding me, the guy that's coming to double and in the help side. So I'm over here looking to see where you l O Ron, Steve Fish are all going to be open at when I'm guarding my three people.

And he had like thirty different courts of this where you're gonna be. This is where l was gonna. I'm just like, what the fuck? Like, why are we flying? Like everyone else knocked out? I couldn't sleep. But it was just like little things like that. And then I would go to Orange County and work out with him and we're on the track before the sun comes up. And then we left white so hard that all right, let's go shoot them like fun, I can't lift my arms.

You want me to go shoot a basketball right now? Like his grind was sickning sickning. Yeah, that that was his thing. Man Rest in peace to coach, Rest in peace, man definitely rest in peace. Mount Rushmore. He on that round on that on that and on that Mount Rushmore up dead. That's I mean, my favorite. You know, it's always gonna be Mike, you know what I mean. Kobe, you know what I mean, My my one and two, you know what I mean. And Lebron, you know what

I mean, just so so great. But with Mike and Kobe did to me mentally, you know you did everybody else, you and everybody else. Yeah, and my mind sucked all of us. I'll just tell you, Bron, you got Mike one, code to Brown three, Yeah, I got I got Brown three. Ken, Bron hop Kobe in your eyes, finishing out his career in any kind of aspect. No, I'm not as great

as he is. I'm just not gonna do it, just because when Lebron was talking about me, you know, saying like he wanted to be me, he didn't want to be Mike. And it ain't no it's no because you know how much he loved Mike, So it ain't it ain't no disrespect, you know what I mean. It's just I just I just love Mike so much, and Kobe is the closest thing to me, to Mike and me, and then Lebron is just Brons down Lebron James like he's in a class by himself, you know what I mean?

And then you know shot and I just yeah, I know how I feel about Steph Kerry, but that motherfucker Dame Dollar, he feels step for the same way about you though, I tell you that you had him on the show about you away now it's dope. It was definitely to see his reaction to see who step is today, but then to see how it almost he went back to a child when he said, you know when you put him in in your your top five starting five,

like he said, he should have seen the league. You should have seen his face, bro, he what you mean you think I don't want this? This is my ship too. Now, I don't think I don't watch it all. Every single one ain't gonna continue to do it because it's the best. You don't get no relig this. So you're credited obviously as you should be, as someone who bridges the gap between culture and sports. From like what we touched on earlier, way you dressed your tattoos, your braids, your do rags.

What do you think about from what? And and really because I think they started the NBA dress code because you're right. What what do you think about from where it was into what it is now? About fashion? I love it, you love I love it, And I don't tell nobody how to dress. Man, leave people alone and let people dress and be who they are spressed themselves. People be like what and be comfortable? Be comfortable. You're gonna tell me what to wear to go play basketball? Right?

You know what I mean? Like? How are you gonna tell me what to wear to go to work? You know what I mean? When when you know I can, I can understand if you're a lawyer something like that. You ain't come to court with a sweats don't you know what I mean? I understand that. But man, I'm just I'm coming to play basketball. I'm coming to be comfortable. I'm coming to get ready, and I want to be cool. You know what I mean. I want to be cool for the people to see me. I want to be cool.

You know, when I leave a crib and my girl think I'm cool. I want to be cool from when my teammates see me and see me looking cool. You know what I mean? Let me be fresh man. Don't have me looking like everybody else? Look right? You know what I mean, don't have me looking like everybody else. Look. Me and the Kim Bay don't dress it like. You know what I'm saying. It's still shopping with ard. We just talking about the Walkers talk, don't We don't. We don't dress it like. But but but me and the

Kim Bay play the same. Shopped at something the same, everybody shopped the carry got the Walkers. Yeah, we all had walker Yeah. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir. Me and the kim Bay we play the same, you know what I mean. Me and Aaron McKee, we don't dress I like me and Eric Snow don't dress it like, but we play the same. Ship. We played hard, you know what I mean. But we don't supposed to this ain't that ain't the all thing ship Aaron McKee don't today.

You don't dress like a I. You don't dress like Ananboson. He dressed like Aaron McKay. What shout out. You also made it fashionable on the court. Um most people don't know, like the sleeve that you wore to help you're you're protecting them elbows. But then that became a fashion statement. I mean, although headbands were worn before you, you made the headband dope again the Cliff Robinson Rest in peace,

Uncle Cliff. The headbands are trends. You've done. You signed a lifelong deal with Reebok um, So that's dope continuing to drop shoes. What what has that relationship been like? And how important has the Reebok family been to you over your career? I love them so much because even with new um ownership, they maintained the same relationship with me, you know what I mean. They understand that I'm reboked. And when you think about Rebok, that's all you think

about is Alan Ives. I don't care how many people, you know what I mean. I don't care how many people come and joined the company or whatever. Man, I already know that I'm rebuked, and the relationship has basically maintained even with my retirement. And that's what I think is so awesome. I think that's so dope. The guys that I work with, Alan Brown, beautiful guy. We came. I know, we've been business spart this for years, but we're homeboys now. And that's cool, you know what I mean?

Like we're homeboys, like I call him. We talked about other things beside business um, but yeah, matt Man. I love rebok. They always stuck by me. I love money, so they make me love him bore. Yeah, and uh, we didn't put this on here, but we have a begging segment that we're gonna get started up one episode two, season two and read about give y'all watching, because I know y'all watching. It's a lot of flavors questions that's out there. I need all of them, every last every

last one of them. Okay, Mo just left so I couldn't. I couldn't get it to him in time. But reboke, I know y'all watching, all right. He took a picture recently on this page where he's somewhere in the rebox store and they got all these different colors questions. Okay, we need those right here, baby those Yeah. We're both fourteen too, So you heard it from the one closing out. Um,

Like I said, obviously, you bridge the gap between culture music. Obviously, what was it like when you just still up to this day hear your name dropped in songs over and and who was the favorite name dropped? That was the coldest commercial ever? To me? You answered it? That was it? Well? Yeah, you answered you answered it? Um, No, him, but like he's he's in my top five favorite rappers that that that meant a whole lot to mew that come about. We need to recreate that five. They just they just

um they wanted to do. They wanted to do what we wanted to do. What they wanted to do, something different than they were always open, we walk always open to letting me be me, you know what I mean. They don't try to, you know, market me or promote me as no one other than who I am. And that's why the relationship is, you know, outstanding the way it is. Red Man, mm hmmmmm red Man, red Man? Is he he's in my top five? To give me your top five? Like the rapper White Iris, I like, Um,

I like that song shout out post what what what? What? What? Bothers me? When I do my top five? Is I leave out somebody? I leave out? I leave out great. What I would say without naming a top five is the rap game is just basically like the NBA when lebron Lee, you know what I mean, it's in good hands. Just so much talent coming through. I mean, little baby just came out of nowhere and we all like yo, and he started in his music. Guy, he started to

put substance in his music too. That's why he really took off. You know what I mean. You know what I mean. It's dudes, it's I mean, it'sn't man. The world is in good hands, man, you know what I mean. We're gonna get through this evil ship is going to carry us off. Yeah, we're gonna be like I always talked about. I told my sister yesterday, my nephew gonna be great, and he's gonna be awesome, but he gonna have an awesome as motherfucker uncle. That's old and ship.

You know, my daughters and my son gonna have kids, and they're gonna have a most awesome granddaddy that they love being around, you know what I mean, Just love being around their granddaddy, Like I used to love being around my granddaddy, and like I used to love being around my grandma. I'm going to fun granddaddy. When when they can go funk with their homeboys, their homes they want to go funk with the cool ass granddad. Like your granddad ain't cool like this right here. You ain't

know Steve Jackson type motherfucker. You know what I mean? You ain't know Matt Bonds type. Motherfucker you understand, you know what I mean? Like your granddaddy ain't cool like this, you know what I mean? Like at coach funeral, his daughter said, they asked him like I mean, I asked her in class, like the type of stuff do you hear at home? And she was like, I can't tell

you that. You know what I mean? Yes, you can, all right, motherfucker jackass, and on and on and on and on, because that's who he was, you know what I mean. That's that's just how we talk. Ain't no malice intended, That's just us. We just we just we just asked. We love life, man, And we talked to Win and we talked. Now we're getting the meeting, damn it. We can't get in them and that motherfucker and talk

like we're supposed to talk. But when it's rent, when it's just us and we're letting our hat down, let it go, man. We're talking man. We talked, what are your thoughts on the NBA and the bubble. I didn't think I would like it. I love it. I love it, right, I ain't even think I would like it. I love it. I love it. It's the NBA. I'm damn show saying what I want to see. I'm seeing what I want to see, the great games, great competition. Who are some

of your favorite players to watch right now? And you put me on the spot again. I love Hawaii No Bron Brown, um A d Manum. I had so much fun watching Um, Little jama Jamal Murray. I love watching Jamaal and little Homie Mitchell. I love Donovan, Jason Tatum, don't Killer, don't. Yeah, you got a lot of Kobe on them too. Yeah, you can tell. You can tell he know I like because I teugh he is and remind me of x No see you a Hooper. That's

all we all minds. You know, you know he's not a big name in the NBA, but you know who played just like him. He played for the Knicks. Tray Tray Burke bro He if you don't look if you just look like with a glad, he looked just like that. His body movements, everything, everything. Yeah, he was getting busy. He might have got up man and uh, what's homeboy name man for Dallas? Luca? What something is wrong with him?

I love Luka so much. I'm gonna show you the text after they lost and he was getting bullied, I Carrick call I said, Rick Man, Luca live man, We're gonna come ride whether you need man, Luca nice man man and and and and know what I I started paying attention to coaches more. Would you have a coach? Mhm Never. I can't. Um. I don't think I can all Bush All everything's out. You could be Alan, obviously you can be Bubba. Would you coach to Steven Sex? No,

I think that coaches are. I know they're great leaders of their family because if you can lead guys that come from wall walks of life, all walks of life, you know what I mean, And and and get them to come together for one common goal and you make less than them and they respect you. And yeah, and the great just can't do that. No, like you when you when you grab Papa Vich you have a god given talent. First of all, you know what he talked talking about. But then when you can, when you can.

Last story, Coach Brown called me in the office one day and he said, I'm gonna kick your ass. I ain't did nothing. Yeah, I'm on time, said just bear with me, when in practice destroyed me. Every good player I made, said something bad about it when I turned it over, went crazy on me when I won't in the right spot, went crazy on me else. But everybody looking at me, Matt, Like everybody looking at me like, you know, because they used to me be in the

hot head. I'm gonna flip out, like what's wrong with you? Eric snow Chuck. Just chill, he just on one the day Blue, Just chill, He just on one the day. Man went crazy on me. Man, all practice long, I go in the locker room sitting in my joint by myself, crying like a motherfucker, Like why did he do that to me today? You know what I mean? Because I felt embarrassed and you know all that, and I was hurt because you know, coach, my man, you know what I mean, Like, why did you go crazy on me today?

Like what did I do to you? Trainer came Man got me coach once winning there and he was like thank you, like you mean thank you like you supposed to be saying, why you go crazy on my ass? He was like, now I can coach, Like now I can't nobody to say ship, Yeah, I can't. No, can't nobody say nothing? Now if I can go crazy on you. I wish one of them would go crazy or act up, And I was like, you, brilliant motherfucker. That was Phil Jackson Code. He would treat Code like anyone else. He

would talk to him like the fourteenth manager. The fucking ball too much path, you know what I mean? Like and once you, like you said once, you could do that to your best player, what can anyone else. It's been times with Tony to come down, turn the ball over twice, they'll call the time out and he'll go straight at him, blaming everything on Tim. I'm everything. Timy got nothing to do with it. You need to get these guys ready to play Tony turnover because you're not

getting them fired up. Everything is Tim fault everything. And like you say, when he's going off on Tim, when I come out of the game, when he take me out from making a mistake, I can't say nothing. Now I'm in line. Now I didn't I bought in. Now I'm starting. You know what I'm saying. But he doing it for a reason. They see stuff that we don't see in ourselves. That evil genius, uh I said that evil genius man. Yes, A couple more things. Who you got in the finals, we go, so man, I just won't.

I want ludu In. I want Ludin the title Living Pepper Lou y'all's town thing. We had a little early on, but we have Remember the time we had a little on the bus and need drink all them up. We didn't carry us. I don't want to start him drinking. Motherfucker did not drink nothing. I hadn't drinking. Man, that man drinking Chris down. Man, I remember, I mean I remember, man, Come on, man, rookie, I was just big home. I

love him. Man. Now you got his own city on the map, Blue Willville and allowing, Yeah it's on the map. But I mean he's shape. It's the man to shape them. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at him like look what I created, straight up, you know what I mean? And then straight buckets, straight buck I love him. I just wanted I want him to win so bad. I want him to win, Like, yeah, I want him to win.

Good call. Last two questions. A player that in your era that you wish you could have played with, chat a player today you wish you could have played with. It was Lebron in my era. Kind of the sake of it. No, alright, no, all right, now, um, I love him. Play with your honest. I thought it was say Katie. Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, I love it. Play with Katie. I'm telling you, I love you honest. Now I love talking about I love you honest. I'm

tripping because I ain't seen Katie in a minute. So yeah, yeah, so I'm tripping, I'm trimpling, I'm tripping, I'm trippling. I'm tripping. I'm tripping hard. Yeah, yeah, see you you know anyway talking about Yeah, yeah, hell, but no dispect to honest. I love yes, love you. That's why I wanted to go to Golden State. Yeah, so we'll be ugly. Yeah, man, I love you. Go to that man, That's why I want him to go. Man, I want him to go

to Golden State. Man, even though no one could stop you, who you felt in your career, Guarden, you the best Marcus Banks. Wow. Yeah, because the video you're talking about, I'm on there and I didn't fall. He made me stumble. Yeah. What about gardening for anyway? Right? Castle ship baby gardens, guardens beating and beat Guarden somebody I was guardening, bro? What was that guarding for anyway, And you know what

I did? Bed? Ever tell you what I You know, I used to flop to get two fouls on BD, to get him off me, and to get Wesley on me. Like I all all I had to do is running the b D. He was too big out running to him. Flop, you know what I mean. He couldn't stand that ship. I get two founds on him, Go set your ass down and get off of me. Because Bed got d me. He could do it all. Yeah, I tell people, man, if he could have stayed healthy, he could have been

one of the greatest eff Yeah, no question question. Yeah what was Bed knees was right? And it's bad Bed was bad at doing work. What I always wanted to know this real quick? What's the story behind? Were talking about practice? Okay, okay, easy word. First of all, we went out in the first round. The next year after going to the finals, went out in the first round too, went out in the first round. Best friend just got killed. That's what I thought. It wouldn't have had nothing to

do with basketball the whole time. He didn't. Best friend just got killed. I was struggling with, you know the fact that because our expectations after going to the finals. You don't supposed to go out in the first round, you know what I mean. So I'm dealing with the Philadelphia media, which is brutal, brutal, and my man just got killed. And honestly, I might be mistaken, but I think that they hadn't caught the motherfucker that did it.

I was dealing with a whole bunch of ship at the time because with the people not catching them yet, something happened to him who they don't look at. So you know, I was worrying about that. That whatever reporter was just kept asking me about practice situation, and I just lost it, you know what I mean, if I could, if I could take it back, you know what I mean. I had the opportunity to walk away. I had opportunity

to walk away from the podium. All PR person was saying, you know, tapping me, like hey, come on, come on, come on, and I was like, no, I ain't going nowhere. I don't know if if you remember that on the joint, I'm like, no, I ain't going nowhere. Another reason was they were talking about trading me and I had just came from a meeting with the general manager and coach Brown,

and it was like, You're not going awhere. But I was dealing with my kids saying, you know, daddy while my class and maasing my teachers saying tell your daddy, don't leave this that in the third So it was effecting lot. Yeah, it was affecting my house too, you know what I mean. So I was happy as hell that I was going to the press conference to say I wasn't going nowhere. But they didn't care anything about that. All they were talking about was practice and the rest

is history. As he said, you, I just I went crazy. And then the crazy part about it is everybody think it's funny, but me, people that knew what she was going through at the time, they ain't going funny to them, you know, you know what I mean, But like to everybody else, And and then and then and then, like I'll be out on the street and somebody coming to me and be like practice practice, and I'll be I look at him like is that all you can come up with? Man? You can't be a little bit more

original than that, you know what I mean? Like all the things that I did in my life, I'm a Hall of Famer, man. All you can think about is practice, man. You know what I'm saying, Like in the same thing with the Jordan's, I'm shaking Jordan's like I don't want to hear nothing. But is that all I mean? I don't shoot a million people, man, And all y'all can think about is the Jordan crossovers or the time step over pull the shots up there like he was fronn

to strap up. He shorts like this, like like he just knew the cross was coming. He put his hand, put it back. He missed it the first time. He's gonna again. But that's how you catch it. Those did That's how you catch it. Though. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta have your hand down. He had his hand on the first waiting on it, and you gave it a second as soon as he pulled it back. Come in, Mike, Oh, you ain't never seen nothing like this, this that young

boy ship. You know what I mean? Yeah, you ain't seen nothing. You ain't seen nothing like that. And then I heard I heard um, you know, Phil Jackson, Um call him out. You know, he called him out on the switch. Come in, man, now, I'm gonna try my move on the best person that I ever seen play the game twice. Now I'm gonna see if this move is real, and I'm like, oh, ship and that and that the craziest part. I didn't know what I did until yes, Ben and and everybody else talking about it.

I hit him with that thing twice, all star as all though that that little checked out though a little definitely checked out. Man. We want to thank you. We appreciate you. I want to thank y'all. And then let me say this, you two motherfucker's is why I'm here in New York because I love Showtime so much. I love the idea of them want me to be a part of something that they got going on. But you two guys, man, I love y'all, man, because y'all love me. You know what I mean, and I know it, and

y'all show it. I know it ain't no fake love. I know it's real love. I know it's genuine. I could not be here for y'all. I couldn't. I couldn't. I just I couldn't do it. You know what I mean. I got in the car. You know what I mean. I got in the car and drove here. You know what I mean, because you know, I just wanted y'all to be able to say, this is my man, and y'all wanted him. He funk with us. This hard that I can that I can, I can bring him in it.

It's hard getting that dude. Man. Y'all know who he is. Y'all know who it is. You know what I mean, what with us? Just to love he got for us, Appreciate that he coming, Yeah, he coming. But we just want to thank you. Like I said, too often, you never know when it's time. And everything you've done for us as as fans, as friends, for the world, you've been a true blessing man. Just to watch your growth, your bumps, your ups, your downs, and you've always, like

you said, to be any stay true to yourself. And I think that's why people love you so much. I got a chance to play with Code, I got a chance to play with Shack. I've never seen fan fair when we go to different cities, like the love you get. And I just think that not even so much for it, I mean obviously because of your basketball, because of the man you are in the heart, you having people love and respect who you really are. You never never flip

the script on nobody. We appreciate that, bro, appreciate love. Man. You know that you know that that's a rap y'all a swarm. Like you said, we got him. We hope you enjoyed this episode, man. Check it out a Showtime Basketball YouTube and the I Heart platform. All the smoke. Two world champions. They happen to be twin brothers, while the ingredients are there. Two guys who love to sit down to their punts and throw that firepower. I'm not scared of nobody, and I'm definitely not scared of some

when I'm talking. There's no one in the division that can beat me. There's no one in the division that strong as me. It would definitely deliver a statement the powers for real. We would get a chance to let everyone in the world see the great things that me and my twin brother has drunk in the squarter box. Try. You know, the same card gives us a nearergy. We want to be charged, we want to be at our best. We're gonna both meet in the middle of the ring

and we're gonna let our hands go. Let the best men win. They are boxing and they pound for palm. This is all a smoke, a production of the Black Effect. And Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime