Dina Lohan’s Next Chapter

actress Lindsay Lohan. In addition to Lindsay, Dina has three other children with ex husband Michael, and in this episode of All's Fair with Laura Wasser, she opens up to me about her journey to co parenting successfully with her ex and why her work raising awareness about domestic violence is so important. Hi. There, it's me Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and the founder of It's over Easy, the

online divorce service. I've been practicing family law for over twenty years, and I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding people through what may be one of the most terrifying times in their lives. Along the way, I often have to remind people to lower their expectations when dealing with matters of the heart. Rules simply don't apply because all's fair in love and war. So welcome to the All's

Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelts and let's go. I'm Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and founder and CEO of the online divorce service It's Over Easy. I'm Johnny Rains, and this is the All's Fair podcast where everything relevant to relationships is up for examination and discussion. Relationships, by their very nature, are layered and fluid, and they change shape as we evolve. It's my job to observe and interpret these observations into

tools that can help families achieve their next iterations. Divorce can be many things, but it doesn't have to be ugly, and my advice to celebrities and civilians alike is keep it amicable. Do your best to keep the split under wraps social media silence, don't publicly attack your ex, keep your kids best interest in mind. But of course people

don't always follow my advice, fools that they are. We'll get into that with our next guest, who has turned her next chapter into something special, not only for herself but for her children as well. Joining us now is one of the most well known managers in the business. She's a tireless mother of four and author and a reality star on her own right, and she's also launching

a new podcast, Here's a taste. Hi everyone, I'm Dina Lohan and I'm the host of our new podcast, Listen to Me the O G Mama Date, and I'm her co host Shanelle A Mari from Chanel in the City, and together we will be teaming up to set the record straight on celebrity table at Gossip. We've both been there, We've seen it all, an nownced I turned to speak.

That's right, Mama D. We will also be discussing virtual dating comedy and how COVID nineteen is affecting everyone and more so, come on the journey with us by subscribing and rating a podcast. Make sure to follow us at Listen to Me the O G Mama D Podcast on all social media platforms for updates and more. We will see you soon. Welcome to All's Fair, Dina Lohan and as the magazine this month, you say that your ex Michael Lohan, and you have come to a very good

place co parenting your four kids. Tell us a little bit about how you guys got there. That's a loaded question, you know. Divorce is tough, Relationships are tough, marriage is tough. A lot of toughs in there. But you know, I got married very young. Michael and I both were very young. So prior to me getting married, I was with my first love who was killed in car fire. He was

in the same business of entertainment I was in. So a lot of that really changed my life clearly, and um and I think now looking back in a very positive way that I just felt at that time I really grew a lot. I didn't go out for a year, you know, I just kind of watched soap operas at my parents house. And then a year later I went to the surf Club on the Upper West Side. I

don't know if you know where that is in New York. Yes, and my three best friends who were graduating from University of Virginia, and I was in n y U at the time. So I met Michael. He knocked a bottle of champagne off the table and risk a history, I could say, but really I did, because he's like, what's your last name? Um on Italian Irish genonymally and Nicolet Sullivan. So I said Sullivan, looking up. Well, that's like crazy. There's like a million Sullivan's on Long Islands, you know.

I was born in the Bronx but grew up on Long Island. Still here from such a Long Island girl. But but yeah, and that the rest is pretty much history. I was engaged within three months, married after six. You know, it is what it is. I've been divorced for decades while where two decades and um we've grown. It wasn't immediate, you know. There was a lot of things that transpired, which everyone probably knows. I don't want to be reduncdant. I just know that now we're friends. Were in a

great place. Um, this guy Jesse who's in my life, it's friends with Mike goals and he kind of helped through that as well. Why is he friends with my ex husband? But it's not a big deal because I you know, I see Michael at the Hampton's and he's like, you know, I'm like sit with us. It's like cool, We're not anything. Really that the press made it so horrible. There was a very scary time and for me personally, I was going through and he was going through issues

that caused this. So now I feel we're in a great place. Of my children, you know, they're older now my young this is twenty three. Well, this is thirty three. That makes me a hundred and three, I guess. But anyway, so he so that that in looking back retrospectively, you know, I'm from my parents married fifty years, so I don't know divorced. I don't know about that. I'm very fortunate. You know. My mother is Italian. She'd throw a couple of shoes at my brother's and yards. You know. It

wasn't perfect. But actually I I never thought I'd be divorced. You know, we all were read Cinderella right now. I read to my kids. I'm going to read to my grandchildren when we have that and The Little Train that Could? Yes, yeah, Do you do you think that the press exacerbated the

divorce acrimonia between you and Michael? Absolutely? But there were facts, you know, and there were things that really did happen that neither him nor I couldn't, you know, say it wasn't true because you know, abuse going on, so so that was true, and um, you know, but the rest was totally sensationalized. I believe, you know, it didn't have to be public, right, And how do you think that part of it, the public part of it affected your kids.

We talked to so many people who are getting divorce, and you know, again there's abuse, there's drug and alcohol use, there's adultery, and it always is miserable. But again, in most situations, you're not reading about it at the market or having your kids friends talk about it at school. So how did that affect your children? How old were they? By the way, when you guys split up. Um, well, we were together and split up several times and with

all four children for a time. Um, And then he went through his own situation, which is for him to tell. I don't like talking about somebody else if they're not here, So I can only tell you what happened to me, Um, and Lindsay was little and Michael was little. The two older ones there was you know, there was like eight years in between that, so six to eight years in between that where we weren't together and I custody, sould custody, so so it was a very different time and the

younger two weren't really affected as much. So I feel the older too, which is why you know they used the word co parenting. Um. You know, our children are going to grow up and have relationships and have our

grown there's certainly not grown up. You don't say. By my daughter is thirty three, I'm not gonna hang out with her, talk to her mother is always a mother and father as well, and I think both parents and I stressed this to any one going through a divorce, and it kind of brings tears in my eyes because

they they have to keep their problems separate. Mine happened to be in the media, you know, So it got crazy and I had to deal with that and that certainly, I cried myself to sleep a lot, and you know, I'd have to go on TV and protect lindsay situation because it's my child, not to say I don't reprimand her when she's home, which I do, I mean, but I wasn't gonna cut and bleed for her to tell

her story on on television. And there were people I trusted that talked about me and sold stories, you know, personal personal things, which was very, very hurtful. So that was difficult on my child, first of all, and you know that takes its toll. But I think now that we're in a good place, and I feel and we've been in a good place for a while, and I feel that they need to have clarity with both parents good,

better and different to move off with their wives. You're listening to All's Fair with Laura Wasser, a new podcast that provides a fresh take on navigating the most important relationships in our lives, including the ones with our co parents. Give me an example, particularly during this quarantine situation. I know the two girls are in Dubai. Yes, yes, this is really crazy because they always have kids around me.

It's like either their friends or you know, forever. I've been in this house eighteen years, Um, so I'm going through a lot empty nesting. You know what a lot of people are going through Lentina Alana or in Dubai. How are you to FaceTime with them? I mean, how are you? How are the you and Michael able to keep in touch with with each other and the four kids during this pandemic with everything everything being so uncertain.

I'm sure they're being anxiety. They're wanting to look to mom and dad to kind of either calm them down, or maybe they're worried about you guys because we're all older now. So how is the family interacting during this time? And more particularly, how are you and Michael kind of keeping it together for them? Um? Michael's married to someone else and he has little children, so he kind of has his own life, and you know, I'm I speak to him at times, but it's not like an everyday thing.

And um my, so my girls we that's separate. You know, they'll call him or I I face time and zoom. My girls they're like every second they talked to do this. And my son and his Beyonce wife from I saying sorry sorry, Nina. They're married and live in Manhattan. Okay, they've been married for three years. And then my other son to code and my youngest who I also manages quarantine in l A. He's a guy, models and works

as an actor out there. So we're all over the place and I'm dog sitting co hop, which I'm surprisingly not jumping on me right now. It's called a retreater who's five, so he doesn't talk, so it's really hard for me kind of a talker. Um And my mom is very close to me. She's nineties six. She's my rock, and my girls call my mom and my boys all the time. She's like, you know, Lindsay, you'll forget the time difference. It will be kind of late at night for my mom and she's like, I'll pick up anytime,

any time you call, which is amazing. They still have their grandmother at her and I saw my mom. I lost my dad about fifteen years ago. So but we're thank God for Zoom and these these this technology exactly. So tell us a little bit about Reconstructing Hope, the five o NC nonprofit. Tell us what it does and why you're so interested in it. Well, reconstructing a Hope. They came to me several years back and what they do, it's really amazing anyone who's been a victim of abuse.

They go as far as there's a team of doctors, and they go as far as even a tattoo removal to have the woman or man for that matter. You know, it's any relationship can be abusive and they'll be someone to remove the tattoo. If godad, someone's nose is broken, they'll reconstruct that. It's all free, there's no charge. Um.

They have you know, therapists there. Whether these are victims of domestic violence who are getting help and particularly reconstructive surgery or aesthetic things change and go online to Reconstructing Hope dot org and they will get that information where you go and help them. We're in New York, California,

and we're going to be in other states soon. But it's a wonderful thing because you know a lot of people in you know, everyone's doesn't have the financial ability and and they're just hurting and and if they can help them in any way, they're giving their time. Dentists of teeth are knocked out. I mean things that you know, will you'll look in the mirror. They want you to see yourself. They don't want you to look and see the past. This is your next chapter, moving on. I

love that. Okay, So you can go to Reconstructing Hope dot com if dot org okay, dot org okay. And then for you, your next chapter has been your new podcast that you're doing. Yes, it was. Sannel tell us about um Well. I've known Shanella Marii for years. I

hired her when she was seventeen. When she turned eighteen, she traveled with Lindsay as her assistant, and then when that you know, ended and she was going back to college, I took her own as my assistant and then over the years, you know, she flourished in her own She's a stand up comic. She had her own podcast. She has Chanel in the City out of New York while Island Girl as well, and I'm like, she calls me Mama d old Lindsay's friends. That's where that came from.

And still is it sounds it's actually real. Um. So she's had it early, her own podcast, And I didn't know anything about this world. I was on hers and it was wonderful, and I said, I have an idea, why don't you come on and you know, close with me. I don't the host, she's the co host, and she's a whole mother demographic. She's there six but she um, she actually brings the millenniums to me and and that demographics, and I'm an older I bring the older people and

it's a beautiful marriage, I think. So to speak. In this world and nothing's nothing's off topic. We we go from suit to nuts, from a list of normal people to doctors, lawyers, and it's on Spotify, yes, Spotify and iTunes and then it'll drop to my heart. Got it? Okay? So I'm not sure that you're familiar with too much litigation, but one of the tools that we attorne easy. Yes, I am. Okay, So I'm sorry, lawyers, but you're the best.

Thank you. So one of the tools that used during the discovery phase is called interrogatories, and so there are formal questions that require the opposing party to respond with information relevant to the matter that's being litigated. So here on all's fair, they're not really that serious, but they're very important. So, Dina, will you play the interrogatory game with us? Yes? And do you swear to tell the truth,

the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Tina, which relationship in your life has had the most profound impact my father? And tell us why? Well, I'm the youngest of three older brothers and many boys on my mother's Italian side and no girls. So I gravitated my dad. I was like Daddy's a little girl so to speak. And Um, he just taught me so much and made me the person I am today. He was involved in many charities, he was started meals on wheels, big brothers,

Dr J and him. I don't know if you know Dr J. The past called Claire. Um started that my old too. You don't you don't look old to We're not old. As Elizabeth Teller said, she'll never say a day over fifties, so I have it. I'd like thirty nine better, but oh well, um, but there's no botox during quarantine, so we're all kind of over then. Um. Anyway, Actually, my dad was just just a very giving, loving, my mom as well person and all my life he's taught

me so many lessons that I carry with me. And like I said, my children lived at my parents house for a while and my dad was very very instrumental in their upbringing. With me is also you know also because like I said, I was very young having Lindsay and he was very very important in that as well.

Nice what's your favorite love song? Oh God, when you Johnny, when you asked me this, So I was like, Okay, there's like a thousand because I'm a die hark romantic, which is probably lame at this point, but um, all of you hopeful romantic, we we believe in that true, true go Cinderella. I'm actually wonderful Tonight by Aeric Clapton. Huge fan of Clapton, Jackson Brown, probably all of his songs, James Taylor, I mean, yeah, who can I mean, I just yeah, And the list goes on, but yeah, they're

they're top three to go through. I mean, I'm my first concert was America. They even have and when I was my kids are a little I played them all. So that's why they're also into and know all these older groups. Right good. Yeah, what's the one piece of advice you'd share with your twenty something year old self? Oh? God, everything I've learned up until now. It's a very bro statement. But um, so many things. Oh gosh, I think not to rush into things, to take your time, to slow down,

not worries so much. And yeah, okay, you said you're a hopeless romantic. Tell us which romantic comedy you could watch on repeat? Well, I've watched a lot of them on repeat, and so of my girls because we're like silly with that as well. But I love the Holiday, Yep, we got that one a lot. Love the Holiday, love it. It was just on two nights going. Ali just assumed me from Dubai and she was watching it with Lindsay. Um. Not to mention, Nancy Myers did direct it from the

parent Trap, who was an angel, powerful woman, so talented. Um. Her movies are just the epitome of love stories. I mean, she's just great. Yes, I agree. Comedy in romance together. Yeah, well, Dina, your podcast is going to be a hit. We definitely will listen. Thank you so much for joining and zooming in with us today on All's Fair. Tell our listeners how people can keep up with you online. Um, you can go to I'm on all social media just Dina

Lohan verified, see a little blue check and that's me. Um. Also go to listen to me the O G Mama D Podcast. It's kind of a tongue twister, but it's listened to me the O G MoMA D Podcast on iTunes and Spotify, coming soon to I Heeart. Love it. Thank you so much for being here today. Stay Healthy's days safe. Say hello to the kids. All right, Thanks and you guys, Um listen, I listened to you and Laura you're amazing. Thank you and you heard on I

forget what it was. It was, Oh, Johnny, you sent me the link, I think or it just maybe found it on my own. But you're you're on a show and you were saying, you know, you were married, and then you weren't. And then when they said would you ever get married? You're like, hello, it's not I sat in the cards for me. I don't thank you, but

I wanted to ask. I met Jesse, my boyfriend now on Facebook sick for six years, and um, I just want to, you know, talk about that that you and meet someone on virtual you know, he lives in l A, live here. We haven't met. We're gonna meet after coronavirus and I haven't met yet, known him for seven going

on seven years talking to him on the phone. We started, of course as friends and then you know, it evolved over that time, and um, I just feel that Jesse and I are at a place where we really care about each other deeply, and we're going to see where it closed after Corona. But so you've never seen him in person, even when you guys find friend time zoo

right but not No. Wow, that's really exciting. But it's not as weird as it seems because the irony of that is during this time, virtual dating and all these apps are like through the big rocketing crazy And I always tell my girls, get to know somebody first, like talk on the phone. You know, of course the rest of it will come, you know, just don't jump right into something before you actually speak to them and hear

their words and know really what they're about. One of the benefits actually of dating online and dating virtually now is that you can't the option of like jumping into the sack is off the table, so you have no choice but to get to know them first. During coronavirus. You've been listening to All Spare with Laura Wasser, a new podcast that provides a fresh take on navigating the most important relationships in our lives, including the ones with

our exes. You can find new episodes on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode.