KJ Live - Olin Simplis

in Olan Simplest to the show. Big Olan, what's up, man? What's going on? Man? Appreciate you having me, Man, I appreciate I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule. Bro, I know this is We've been trying to get this done for over a year or about a year since I jumped into this, man. So finally, finally I got the man, the myth, the legend on right now. I know, I finally got the invite. No, Man, that's what I ain't try that. I didn't try that, Brad,

I didn't try that. But hey, hey, whatever it is, you're here now and listen for sure. Listen, man, it's a it's a hot time of the year n C double A March madness. Man, I just kind of wanted to jump into it. Man, Jules Bernard over to u C l A. As a player that you worked with. He has been outstanding, out ending during the tournament and sort of sort of the last part, I just wanted you to talk about Jules development where he you know, when you first started working with him, to where he

is now. Um, I mean, Jules has always been a dynamic player, you know, but when you get to college, things change and sometimes you gotta play a role, you know, because in high school he was do it all and then after a couple of years, you now have to conform and try to be a star in your role.

And basically I told him, man, you know, our goal honestly is to be the best player we can in the position he's at right now with u C l A. But also put him in the best position to when his opportunity come next level, Um, he can maximize it. So you know, some guys, some guys get drafted to in that top ten area to do everything. Some guys plug and play, Like right now, Jews, you can plug and play him anyway. You can catch your shoot he can run the point guard if you need, can guard

multiple position. So basically we scale back. You know, when you get guys, guys in that arena where you know they were caught upon to do a lot when they were younger, sometimes it's hard to have that conversation and like, look right now, let's focus on your shooting. Let's focus on being the best perimeter shooter we can be. And then one of three dribbles simplified less as more than obviously be a terror on defense UM and then just

evolved from there. So in the past couple years, we've just spent a lot of time refining his shot, you know, and shooting a lot of shots that he takes in the game, but then also the shots that he'll get eventually at the next level when his time come. You know, a lot of corner threes, short drifts, you know, just

playing off learning how to play off stars. You know, because Jusan is the guy and Hokas is a guy that you know, the offense is pretty predicated for UM and just you know, fit a role because that what he's doing translate next level. I personally feel UM and so I saw man simplifies game and less it's more

and and be a star in that role. You know a lot of guys getting paid um to be stars, you know in their role Josh hard types, Norman power types that can do a little bit better everything, tough nos defenders, and then as they get their opportunity, then you evolve your role. But that's who I envisioned him kind of being like um is those type dudes, and then just evolved from there somebody else you you work with on the NBA level, Spencer did what did with he? Uh?

He's been playing well after the trade of Dallas, Um kind of found I won't say a new life, but just another pepper this step. Talk a little bit about Spencer man and just his evolution and why how did you get so that the red dude he's knocking down all that man that that ain't nothing for him, No, man, it's it's something he's been doing his entire life. And I think a lot of it starts, you know, at an early age, putting guys in adverse situations. You know,

when I got him at eleven. You know his parents, we do our best to pull kids and and do our best for him and and and give them everything they want. Spencer was a ladera kid you know, like nice Lida and very skilled. So I I used to pluck them, pick him up and take him to the neighborhood and play and get beat up on so because I think, if you don't have grit and that type of confidence, it don't matter how skilled you are. So

it started there. Then he was always doubted, even at taff You know, eventually cracked the taff Is junior year. But I remember a sophomore year, um, uh, Mark Jacksonson checked in. I always forget this kid's name, another guard from Loyola. You know, there's recruiting over him, but he had a monster sophomore into the junior you had to play him, and he still wasn't highly recruited. I mean, he got recruited to a certain level. Um, let's let's go back a little bit. Then he was placed on

the Pump second team. Um, and he took that team, and that team ended up being the best team for the Pumps. They want Super sixty four. So he's always been a winner, man, and and he's always carried a certain chip on his shoulder, and even now you know it's there, but he that's just something that's that's happened from early. You know, that was that was instilled in

him from early. You know, I remember when Kevin O'Neill first got the job at USC, he invited a lot of guys that was in the basketball you know circle to his house. You know, had a cool spread. We ate watch the USC football game. Then we started talking basketball. And that was before social media was what it is now. So guys knew I trained Spencer. They just didn't know to what extent because you didn't see it to a

man man. And I'm not gonna say coaches name because I was respectful a lot of coaches, but let's just say all the top he you coaches and guys in the business, like Man Taff has a hundred Spencers walking on campus when they were talking about players. I'm sitting there and that's fueling me, fueling me, fueling me. But that was the type of stuff that he dealt with. I mean, he was I think he was a fifth point guardener's class in California. I mean, you had Alexis

Mori at Long Beach Party. You had the kids that went to Campbell Hall on Austin McBroom Caesar, Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, the one that's uh had a very good following Ball is life, and I forget there was one more guard. All them guys got recruited over him, and you know, so it was kind of came down to Colorado on Harvard Man we went, We went to Colorado. Rest is history, you know. So um, but he's always been doubted. He's always been not in that chip has always been there,

even even this year. You know, he went to Washington. Um, you know, got a good contract and I don't know what happened internally, but people forget. When they started the season, Washing was one of the top teams in the East. And I was early, like the first twelve games or so, and he was doing exceptional and and you know, just some internal stuff. I can't speak on it. He had, you know, he really doesn't you know, let me in. But he doesn't one thing he doesn't do well. He

doesn't perform well in those types of environments. He he's a structure type dude. He can he can freelancing rock. But you know what I mean, things happened, and I think it took some of his zeal away, you know from playing. So like you know, he got a fresh start now. But people think that he was struggling to watch. I don't think he was struggle. There was some games where he just wasn't happy and then played to his level.

But when Bradley Bill wasn't. I think he averaged eight for like thirteen games, and even some games when Bradley was there he had he had some game winners as well. He but you know, just always being doubted man, and he just carries that chip. And he's one of the ultimate confident guys. You know that you will meet as well,

so you know, carring the chip and confidence, you know ship. Yeah, and you had you know, one thing I say about you, it's funny, you know you you always had that chip as a player, uh, even as a as a as as a trainer. Man, What when did you get started as far as working with players and when did you decide you wanted to be a skills guy? Man? When I was sixteen years old? Oh man, I wouldn't say skills.

I want to be a coach, a mentor. I was six team bro and and me and my high school coach got into a situation my senior year and I walked off the bench, sat in the stands and needless to say, you know, everybody that was recruiting me turn their back. It's not like now where you have an opportunity to redeem itself because social media, like, you know,

they come out to the West Coast. You know, when you start to say, you know there's an East Coast bias, the scouts and something don't come out here is often. So you know, guys come out here. And I happen to walk off the bench in a big game and everyone was pretty much there and that was it. I just said, man, I want to do someone. My time is done. I don't know it to be cut so short.

Um to take the young old and under his wing and teach him, you know, single mother, teach him, you know, the dudes and don'ts and how to deal with certain things, because man, no one can tell me anything. When I was younger, I was a hothhead um. But a lot of that stem from everything I got I earned. You know, I didn't do AU. I didn't know what AU was. You know. I'm a kid from Belize and my mother, you know, moved, We moved from different parts of the cities as her job got better, and I was just

a park kid. I just happened to play in some of the most competitive parts. And you know, some of my men, like basketball guys. I played against league dudes, you know, Sean Higgins, Chris Mills, dudes like that, um, you know. And then we the park I grew at the year that I finally played high school, my junior year, like the fifteen All City Guys twelve over was from the park that I was at. So just what park

was Robertson Park? Yeah for sure, for sure? Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know Tina Thompsons and robbers Park, Nick Young from Robertson Park, Kevin Ollie that played the Crunchhaw for years, Robinson Park, Bert Harris, I mean you know we, I mean we Marlon Gardnett, we can go down, you know, like like that small, little little park man and we just used to hoop, you know. But that's that's where that that that that toughness and that ship come from.

And then when we played there was no When I did play some club here and there with like some local teams that I don't remember, twel of you thirteen youth fortune if you're in elementary and that starts second grade, you're playing against sixth grades when you're in middle school, seventh you play it because what's the ninth? Back then? Ninth? So you know, ship we played against men when we

were younger. And like I said, man, seeing you know, not having a dad, I think subconsciously because you know, I saw you and you with your pops. Like a lot of people give Ball a lot of love, which is great, but he wasn't the first dad to be involved with his kids. Now, like when I Charles abandoned, dad was around, Toby barely, dad was around. Your dad was around. You know, I didn't grow up with the holidays. But I'm seeing this, you know what I'm saying, And

I'm like, I'm here. I gotta do my own ship. Bert Harris's dad was around, said every dude that was killing when I played, dad was around. So you know, may not have been as vocal and outspoken as the ball dad, but y'all dad's was around, and and that's huge, you know. So and I carried that chip man. I

found out late. I didn't found out a self assessed you know, because even well into my thirties, even after I was done playing, man, it's I just had this this anger, bro and and not and I'm not knocking my mother. She did a great fucking job. She raised a kid that I had a son at twenty. That's why, that's why I really stopped playing. You know. I just went to school at that point to get a degree, and I played, but I didn't work out in the summers because at to work. You know, I'm a fucking

college kid playing ball with with a son. Um. But my mother did a great job. She got my my younger brother, Ship Stanford graduate doing well, you know, an investment investmentary, and I I called myself a success, you know, and I making millions. No, but Ship, I coach kids. Ment I'm helping other motherckers make millions. Um, you know. So my mother did great. But I think it was just because I grew up in that basketball environment and I just used to see like, damn, I don't have it.

I don't have that uncle. You know. I had eight outs on, no uncles, you know. So the basketball actually was what taught me life, how to be on time, how to be a man, how to be accountable, how to work hard, how to so basketball that roundball was my dad. So I was real passionate about that motherfucker. So anybody to try to take it away from me or say something slick. You know it got it, got it, got weird. So so I knew it. You know. Back to your original question, man, I knew as six team

man when that happened, fume, and then ship happened. I came back, finished my senior year, but it wasn't you know what it is? What it is, and had my son after my freshman year of juko and basketball at that point was a tool. But I'm passionate about this ship bro still you know, no, no, no doubt. Man. But was there somebody whole back then, like in your in your old head, or maybe somebody that you respected when you were sixteen that kind of tried to talk

sense into you and tried to be divorceing? Is who was that? Who was that? Jeff Perry Um, he ran this program called West Side Blazers, Him and Bennie him and Benny Devin coord That's when I started playing. Hey, That's how I got to Palisades because Jeff Perry and Coach Polino were high school teammates in Hamilton's. So Jeff saw me at Robertson Park was like, man, can play with you know can play with my squad. I show up, Man, it's me this dude day Ryn, you know, big day Ryn,

and went to Washington. Yeah. And then another car was a small little a youth team man going through going through cats, you know. So like I played a youth for a little bit, but it wasn't a national let me tell you how ignorant I was. But I got invited at abc D camp. I didn't go. I was like, man, I want to work out. I'm gonna stay. Like I didn't know really understood what that was, you know what

I'm saying. So it's like I went to Michigan's. Um. Michigan invited me down to do their like elite camp was me, Charlie Miller, Trajan Langdon, a young Robert Trailer and then they had this juno all American. So is that they camp and then they would keep us us five to stay to stay at night and play against Sea Webb and them. But that was that was the only thing I actually did as far as camp, I did Superstar did I did um the one in Santa

Barbara Superstar camp. I think it's Superstar toward that, But the only thing I did was Michigan, you know, because I was a big like Sean Higgins was the neighborhood kids. So that's where I wanted to go, and that's where I said I was going, and you know, things happened and it is what it is. So yeah, man, not Jeff Perry. Man. Jeff Perry was a good dude. But Jeff, you know, I had his life, you know, um ship. When I moved out the neighborhood, you know, I moved

to the West Side. We wasn't as in touch, but he would come to games and stuff a little bit. But my eighth grade, ninth grade, because ninth grade was still middle school. Then for me, you know, he he was that guy, was that guy, and you went on and then you ended up playing for Jeff's high school teammate, James Polino at Palisades. You all city, right, yeah? You all all city there? Then then did you have scholarship offers coming out or who was recruiting you? Right? Did

that night? And I was now after my so only played a year and a half of high schoolball. Junior year. My junior year was my first year plan high schoolball, and every time I stepped on the court, my first game was against the morning side five, you know, thirty plus. Then I turned around. You know, I'm playing State with State's garden, with States Guarden. You stay stay split my lip. He went through my lip. But back then we still play, you know, like he, I didn't know who these dudes.

I didn't know none of the names. But I didn't know none of that. I stepped on the court, coach that this is such a such played Charles O'Bannon multiple times. You know. In the city, Uh, y'all always loaded three four or five Division one guys, even the low level city teams. Not low level it was four A three Back then, Hamilton's had three three four Division one, University three four Division one venice high like ven as. I had hid that played the wing that played football for

you guys, Um Larry McGowan. I'm I'm hoping I'm remember some of these names. But Fairfax, wester Fairfax, west Chester, Manuel was our league. You don't average twenty twelve and six and no one's looking at you now. I was getting I was getting heavily recruited. You know, I wasn't a national name. I didn't have and I think, if I want to a B c D. It would have changed the name when it became national. I was under the radar recruit getting recruited by a lot of guys.

And that's what I'm saying. When I walked off the bench, it was it was putting the papers olden like when I came back for that tournament. Then I quit and I came back like a month later when the league started, but Olan benched for disciplinary actions. You know, I ain't no one recruiting a six to guard man that perceived to have a crazy attitude, you know, and they don't get eyes on you as consistently as they do now. So you know, it is what it is. It is,

It is it Life takes us. You know, we gotta take different paths, you know what I'm saying. So and so after high school and you get to around twenty and you have Khalil right, talk about just your thought process and just kind of growing up kind of fast being a man. I mean, I had a kid when I was with twenty one, so I get how that is. When you have this idea of how your life wants to you want your life to play out, and then all of a sudden you have something to deal with

how did you rebound? Uh respond to that? Hey, man, Look, you know a lot of people have excuses. Brother, You know, Man, I didn't have a dad, so there's a lot of guys I didn't take care of the kids. You know that Man Khalil changed my life. You know, the moment my lady at the time was pregnant, it was full speed ahead, you know, three sixty instantly, you know, because

I had I had a gap, a gap here. You know, I didn't go to school because like off basketball, I wasn't running the streets, but I was kind of running the streets a little bit, you know, just doing stupid it. You know we do growing up. Um Man Khalil save my life. You know. Uh so from day one, you know, ship, I got back in school part time. Um raising was working a couple of jobs. And when he got about one twish. I'm trying to remember the time. You know, a good friend of mine, Will that used to be

the coach, the girls coach at Dorsey for years. He went over the trade teking was assistant said, man, come on, we got a spot for you. You know, they worked with me. I couldn't make every practices because that job, you know, I've gotten shape. It was all state j C U C Riverside and some other schools recruited me. Um so I chose U C Riverside because that add to live in More Valley could help me with my kids. So you know, that was it. You know, I got

back in school. Man, just really a good a degree, you know. And and after that, I played for my national team. I did that a couple of summers, um I got. I got a South America deal out of that because we played in Venezuelan. But then it was I don't want to be away from my son, so I stopped really hooping. Man, Like twenty three, it was like like yeah, I mean even two months was too long to three months short if it was short stints. And I didn't even playing the Drew League that much. Man,

I probably played ten games. I'd make a see. But you know, because on the weekends I started coaching. I was working coaching, developed camps, clinics, and you know the rest is history. My weekends was gone and during the week I'm with my kids. So being a dad twenty fully committed, and you know, and you know, obviously my mother helped me out, and what have you but you know,

she didn't bail me out. She helped me out, and I just you know, it just rolled from there and it's been the best thing that ever happened to me, you know, because I ain't no telling. I think I'd be in a strait jacket somewhere as passionate as we are about who if I knew that my walking off the bench, you know, but the walking off the bench kept me in l A, keeping me in l A. I met Khalil's mom, and I had Khalil. If that didn't happen, I'd be like, damn, what would have? Could

have should or would have? You know, that probably would have haunted me forever. So how the one away to college, there is no Khalil. So you know, things happen, bro and I've just been moving ever since, you know, and trying to be the best person I can be, Stay true to who I am, stay true to the game and character, and keep my character in check. You know, that's most important. You know. Fox Sports Radio has the

best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app search f s are to listen live a well At what point during the coaching and mentoring of the youngster journey did you start to train like pros and did you start flipping to NBA and college because or did you come into the game

doing that. No, man, I came into the game to make a difference, you know, like I have more joy coaching kids and I do like a lot of people got this twisted, you know, and I've and I know in l A there's a lot of backbiting and it's competitive, and so things are stated and said, I have more joy coaching the little kids and I do pro guys. You know, yeah, I make more money coaching the pro guys.

But I didn't get into this game to be a millionaire like now at forty six, Like, yeah, let me be more business savvy and that's what you know I'm working on. But up until now, it's let me make an impact. So back to back to what you stated. Man. So I was twenty one, and this is how it all started, Like how it fools this true story, bro, and you know, these names just crazy. At one is when I got invited to play for Police national team. So I was getting ready to go there for the summer.

So I'm working out at this part Westwood Westwood Park, and U c l a working out. I get kicked off the court by this a little short white guy, and he's like, man, we got the court. I'm heated, you know what. I'm a middle work out. You know, I'm all right. So I started stretching. I see this little old team walking and and this is when a

you really got introduced to me. I saw this little old team walking in and then they started warming up, and I saw like a high school group walking, like high school level looking guys, and they're warming up on the other side, and I'm like, I noticed in the same age, not even close. So I watched the first half. Man, that a little peanut head kid killing the high school dude.

I busting their ass. Beginning, I said, I'm a stay beginning second half, when the other kids hit him in his mouth for the elbow, he lost his cool, was done for the game. So I was. I was sitting around because it brought it brought me back, you know what I mean, walking off the bench, giving somebody power over my mind and making that air right. So I caught him at the water. I said, man, don't ever let nobody take this away, bro, once this is gone, it's a wrap. And I'm in twenty one years old

telling his kids. So the little white coat and hey, man, know what did you say to him? I said, I basically told him, you know, a game, a quick, my story real quick, and then don't ever let no one take this away because you know, once you lose this, it's over. So it happened to be John Fisher, who runs um who masters, and the little kid was getting through it on this team. On his team was Trevor Reason.

Trevor wasn't as nice as gave at the time, so John asked me, man, like, yo, I know your story, man, you'd be great. Like man, your game was really good. If you ever have any time, man, I love for you to come down to the gym talk to these kids, even you know do so. I mean, I said, now for sure, any time. I love too. That was the start because that's something I wanted to do. He said, what you're doing to night? I said, uh, I'm pretty much done for to day. Man. You know I got

a kid. I'm gonna go home special the top of my son. He was like, man, if you got time, man, I got this work out of uni high school, I said, bro, I stayed right down the street. I'm there, what's time. So that turned into something I did in the summer for a couple of years when I came home from college. And when I came on from college, he braasically gave me that team. You know, that summer he gave me

that team. So I had Trevor, gave a couple other kids man, and I was coaching a little hoop Master team kicking people. But so that was the introduction to a you and training. So then when I was done with college, I came back work for John a little bit, but I was still training Trevor and Gabe through high school and when they got to college. And so those are my first two pros. But I started with them

at what they were like fifth sixth grade. Um, yeah, And you know then I finished finished up school and came back home and you know, I, you know, I was still around. But you know, whence guys go to college back then, and Gabe got Boston, Uh, Trevor was New York, got drafted by New York, you lose contact. And you know, I was young and I couldn't really move anyway. So it was my goal was never training pros because I wasn't available to be there like how

I am now, So I just developed guys. Man. Then I started the clinic at Pali as funny, coach Polino reached out to me and said, man, I see your training. Man, I could give you gym time on the weekends in return, would you help me with my program? So I started coaching at Pali, you know, and build this clinic and Palisades, and man, I had everybody driving up that pcation come get it, you know, and it's and you evolved and be evolved even more and more people started being possessive.

So at one point, man, I had all the kids compter Magic call Supreme Pumps, this that. Then I started a little team b FT and we were doing well and we out there beating some of these teams. These kids no longer came because you know, the guys are worried that I may recruit their players or what have you. But now man started with hoop Masters, and I started doing clinics in Palisades and not Man, man, I have

It's funny. I was on YouTube the other day and and I had the gym seventy eight kids every weekend, you know, and it was it was nuts. It was a great clinic. It was a great clinic. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. You have an obvious passion for coaching. How why didn't the journey take you down the coaching you know, the coaching path. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it uh, It's something that I still pondered till this day. You know. It's like I looked back on I think the one mistake

I made. No one's gonna love our kids like we do. And when my son got to high school, I said I was done. I want to be a dad and I want to sit on the sideline. He had a good high school career. You know, some injuries is but he had some moments where he was getting highly recruited and you know, Frank and Joel and them dubbed him as one of the top guards in his class. But he had injury. So it was working. But some of

these injuries he got probably wouldn't have happened becau. There's no how to have my son going sixteen guys and six nine guys and he's junior year. He was stuck going a lot of bigs and that's when he had to show the stuff. But back to the coach, and it's like, Man, I was nervous. I wanted to be a dad. When I looked back on it, Man, all them kids I was training, and when I was coaching my my situation, my BFT teams. Man, I was smashing guys,

you know, because we preach accountability. You and I don't care who you are men, We're defending baseline, the baseline. I got a video on on YouTube that Marty Wilson uploaded. I totally forgot about. Man. I had this little old team with my son and a couple of young guys, and he took one of my bigs from me, Ryan Silver at the time, took this kid named Chauncey Hill that I I evolved and by the time it's a ninth grade, was a top twenty kid in the country.

Then he digressed. But we smack pumps about thirty with some no name kids because they're like yo. But the kids all got named Arafa because I didn't have kids do all these camps in middle school, so nobody really knew of them. But when they got to high school, they all wherever they went, they cooked and then they got their stuff. But now Mantil this day, I'm still thinking about it. It's something I want to do. I was telling my wife, like, I really want to coach

one day. So I'm back helping Steve Smith at Oakwood. I'm his assistant. Um. But to to like fully answer the question, I didn't have time to be a full time head to each other, you know, as a full time dad. So I built my business where I really didn't work that much. Monday through Friday. Who had a clinic on Saturday, Sundays and Monday night. So I worked six to eight hours a week may of living and I just emails and stuff like that. But and then I was Palino's assistant. But if I didn't show up,

I didn't show up. You know, if if you the head coach, you don't show up, like you know, it don't work. So you know, Khalil was Khalil was the main reason. But I still kind of want to jump in it. Man, it's it's it's something that's fine to tell him if it's it's itching, Like you know, I helped I helped out Oakwood this year and Steve Smith does a great job. And you know, um, I'm now I'm back in the game because my stepson is starting

to like basketball. So I'm going to sit around whatch she's a little eight year old kids playing like you know. It may be my retirement plan, you know, where I'm just training in the summers, not doing it and just coaching. But it's something I definitely want to do because I think I'm a better coach than I am a train Yeah. Now coaching on the girl's side of the boys said, I know you're very passionate about the girls game. You recently called the Open you called the Open Division Championship.

You work obviously with a lot of w NBA players, and you have you have a girl's women's basketball wing to the oldan simplest you know vehicle, uh called Girls Rock. Just just talk about that, your passion for women's basketball. Man. Look here, man, I I actually have more joy training

women that I do. Man, bro. You know, I think a lot of that has to do with our kids are being told how great they are ten eleven to a thirteen, you know, with the old Twitter universe, these EBC camps and so when they can be big, athletic, all the above, but it's still ten eleven to thirteen fourteen in the mind. Man, when they turn a few things says, you can't tell these kids ship, and so I don't deal with it. I don't need how school superstars in l A. I don't get a lot of

top kids anymore because I don't need it. I mean, I don't need you for a resume builder. You know, not to sound arrogant, but I want the kid that's gonna work hard in respect. You know the value that I bring, You know what. I so give me the kid that's terrible. What's gonna respect my time? And I ain't gotta deal with women don't have that, so they're hungry, even at the w NBA level. Man, I had Super Dina Tarassi, Scotlett Diggins and Necker for a little mini

camp last summer. Bro I put them on the bands. I can't put my NBA NBA guys on the bandom a that that's just during my that's just for a pre draft. Now when you say now, when you say the bands, describe what you need by to put them on the bands? You mean, man, you know I got this thing I've been doing for years. Man, while I strapped a band around one person and then around the other player and they speed dribbling and doing different stuff type that type of resistance. And you know cardio A one,

power A one, playing through contact a one. You go up and down sixt eight times, felt like you did ten seventeen. So I'm not a big seventeen guy. I'm not a big line droow guy. If we do the bands, because basketball is high impact enough, you can get your conditioning other ways with less work, you know what, less wins here. So the bands and something I've been doing for years, like man, if you go up and down the court, we do a set of a set is two up and back full, we do three and four stats.

You did six eight full court. We don't need to do no more. But it's killing like people. Hey, you know it's it's the thing that same guys in the bucket, you know, curl up around the toilet in the bathroom, letting go su bird full problem. Bro, She's year nineteen eighteen, first ballot, Hall of Famer, no complaints, so you know, so bring it back to college high school. These girls aren't being told at ten eleven to our thirteen fourteen

because they don't have that. They don't have these exposure camp. So they're still level headed. You know, they're still hungry, they's still passionate. Don't get me wrong. We can still get some guys in the in the basketball universes like that. But you know, telling these kids how great they are early does more harm than good to me. So the women don't have that. So like women, man, I don't care. I've never had an issue with a girl in a workout.

I'm constantly having to talk to guys. I'm you're more of a psychologist than you are training at this point. Don't get me wrong. I got into that. Part of the reason. I got into it because I needed one. But damn, I shouldn't be motivating eighty percent at the times. It should be the other way eight twenty like eighty percent times you locked in and I'm sure you have a couple of bad days in there, and I gotta

push you. Let's get to the work. But the women, bro, they run through a wall like no questions asked, you know so, and then you know they don't get the they don't get the the same visibility they're starting to write, don't get the same resources, they don't get the same page. They don't and w n BA to me, is the most elitely in the world. There's only twelve teams. You know, there's not a lot of spaces, like it's the elite

of the elite. You know, you'll have I was telling us just I did a girl's camp not too long ago, and I was trying to tell these young ladies what they're up against. Not saying they can't be done, but understand, your sport is the most elite. You have first round pick they don't even make it through training camp because it's just gonna spot. They're drafting lottery picks just to do camp and then they get released. That don't happen

in the NBA. You know, NBA, you first round pick a lottery you gotta you'll have first round picks not make it through training camp. It's there's no space, you know. It's it's it's the top of the top of the top, you know. So yeah, man, it's you know, and I'm glad they started to get their level. That's why I

started Girls Rock bro. It wasn't like it wasn't like I didn't train girls before, but I didn't want girls to feel like I gotta go do a guy thing to work out with Olan because I don't look at girls as girls. I look at this basketball players. So come work out with my dude, Like, come work out I'm putting through me with the guys. That's how me and Tina grew up. Tina as a childhood friend. Work out with guys, so I said, when we started girls,

Rod just an all girls things. So they don't, you know, just so in order to get to Olan, you don't feel you have to go work out with guys, like he actually has a girls thing. And so they come. It's one day a week. I do this, but then they still do my workout during the week with my guys because I want, you know, you know, I want you know, I want to make these girls feel special and and and it's starting to get that way. But there's still a lot of work to do. Bro, there's

a lot of work. So quick, quick story, and I mean I got a lot of stories. Bro. You know when Kobe plane went down, helicopter went down. You know, I'm a Kobe guy, Like we have these Kobe thing. I'm a I've never met Code and my twenty years doing this, five never met him because you know, we in l A I meet him one day. I meet him one day. So Estevan Johnson, my barbera, Kobe's barbera for sixteen years. Kobe like my basketball product, the D Slide,

But not just that, that's Avon Tolder. Man, this dude's heavy and girls game. He set up a meeting. So I was finally going to meet him. But I'm on my way to meet him at the tournament and I was gonna get down and you know, ship, He's making a push on the girl's side. I'm like, yo, this excites me. And obviously a part of it too, he know he wanted to. He already had two of my D Slide from Mestevan, But it ain't it was It wasn't even my product that I was excited about because

I know Cod put the stamp on it. You know, you're talking to a different olding right now, with different zeros behind his name. It was getting involved more on a higher scale with him with the girls game. Man. I got a phone call that that helicopter came down. Obviously Cobe going was killed. Me and my family like my my my new born is named after him, Kingston Kobe.

But man, just trying to get involved in that girl's game with him, because I know him putting that stamp on it to get behind it was gonna help it. So yeah, man, that's a quick, little, my little quick Kobe's story in the girls game, like I was about to join joining up with them and you know, get down on that girl's thing. And yeah, man, but and

that's one of the things. But that's one of the things. Man, is so beautiful to see on the on the on the guy on the quote unquote boys side is guys like Kobe, guys like yourself, all these girl dads that have really taken well. Kobe was taking it upon himself to really elevate the platform of women's basketball being kind of that guy that's out there, and you're taking it upon yourself to elevate the game, mentoring working and being accessible.

I love when you said that that you know, you wanted to make young women feel like that that owner is accessible to Like you don't have to do that thing. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. Let me ask you this thing on the lines of talking about Kobe. Um, just it's for are is his standing in basketball history?

You know, you hear a lot of people say their goats you whether it be Mike or whoever, Bill Russell or Lebron or whoever else it is. I just wanted to get, you know, from a Kobe guy. I want to I wanted to have this conversation. Where do you think he stands all time as far as the greatest to ever play the game? On who's one A and who's one beat? I mean, you can't flip him in Mike. Him and Mike are are are the standards? To me? And now why now? Why? Now? Why Kobe? Why Kobe standard?

You know, I mean the thing that he did when you look back on on how strong the West was, and obviously you know he had Shocked for some years and Shock was as phenomenal as he was. Um, but Kobe would pushed through the West and then when we got to the East, it wasn't as strong. Let's get Shock and really feature Shock and Shock dominated Rick Smith's to Kamba Motombo um guys like Dad and got the m v P. But his his level of dedication, his commitment, his work ethic, his skill set is by far one

of the best. Like, I don't think people really appreciate, you know, the skill set. I like his leadership. I'm a Kobe Mike type of leadership. Guys, you know where they hold you accountable, they bite your head off, but they also uplift you. Um, if you look at that not let's let's get past the shot team. If you look at that team with Pau Gasol, he was only a one time Allstar before he got to l A. He was a good player, but he wasn't deepol Goo saw that we know now everyone know Code was hard

on him. He when they lost to Boston, he challenged Pyle, came back the next year, was physically stronger, more confident. Lamar resurrected under Kobe Um. You have guys like Sasha Um that he played with, so people discredit his leadership. When I look back at it, everyone that played next to him got better. He may not have averaged eight nine ten assists, but there's other ways to get you better, you know what I mean. So I mean, I mean, we could talk about COVID, but I think his skill

set didn't get better. Dog Well, Chris men was never really good. Uh, Smush didn't get better, dog mus What do you mean Smush got better? Smoke who was Smush before he got to like us? Is a nice? It was a decent NBA basketball player, Bro, I don't know why everybody acts like Smush Parker was just some trash like trash. He wasn't trash. But after he left l A and before l A, what was he? He had a good run in l A. His best run wasn't His best run was in l A. So how you

didn't get better? His best basketball was in l A. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. One of Kobe's most like underrated skill sets was his leadership. It was he led with like, you know, an iron fist, kind of like Mike. He get on you. But that's how we grew up. I mean today's today's kids, Bro, here's a crazy part. You know what I'm saying, and this is raising kids to You want me to patch you on the butt because you got all a's, you're

supposed to try to get all a's. You want me to patch you on your butt because you did your choice. You're supposed to do the extra, dude. You know, like kids won't pad on the butt for stuff they're supposed to do. Man, I played hard, you're supposed to you know, give me the unrequired work, give me the under then I'm gonna patch you on your ass. Then I'm an you know you're gonna get your allowance will bump up

or you'll get that like today's kids. So it's like that's today's generation man, Like you can you hold a kid accountable? Man? That the transfer portal is ridiculous? You know I'm not saying. So how do you? How do you? How do you coach your kid? How do you coach your kid today? How what's what's a strategy to effectively communicate and get through to a kid? And from this generation, you gotta be online. You gotta be all in your group, chat with him all the time, sending any means bro,

bro bro. I honestly think it starts with respect. It's it's we all human nature. We gravitate towards love. I don't care what no one's say. And when someone knows there's a genuine love there, you can you know what I'm saying, you can really coach them hard, Like, for example, let's use your stepfather syndrome. Like I'm my son's like like like my my, my wife, kids, stepdad. When he first came into my life, Man, I wasn't just stopping on his neck this and that, not that I do that.

Now I had to show my kid for him. So now when I say, yo, don't talk to your mom like that, don't like and I and I hold certain boundaries in certain they listen. Man, well I'm coaching him and and they're now performing. And I'm not talking about execution, Like, it's not about execution. It's not about made shots, it's not about assist. To me, it's about effort. You're giving maximum effort and everything you do. You know, I fell in love back to Kobe. I fell in love to

Cope when he went over for three. Like here's a seventeen year old kid in the biggest game, missed once ms ty, still confident to take it, and then got in the gym on something you know, like are you going to give maximum effort all the time? And I hold you accountable and not let them know. Man, this ain't for me. Whether you show up to my gym or not. I go home to my wife and kids every night, whether you score thirty or not. I go up to my wife and kids every night. Whether you

pay for my training, there's another one coming through the door. Man, I'm on you, and I'm i'm I'm holding you accountable because I want what's best for you. You know what I mean. Like if if your high school team win, I don't get a ring. I'm not the high school coach. If you're a U team win, I don't get a new shoe deal. You know what I'm saying. So it's like I constantly say that to them, like, bro, I'm in your circle, not to be your friend, I mean

your circle so you can get that scholarship. Then my produce to get to the second or third contract like you okay with the rookie contract. So I'm in a quiet taste, don't get me wrong in today's generation. But that's why most of my guys turned in the family because you look at two of my players and even you know one of the agents I they were were in my wedding like they were my Like this turns

into a family ship. I don't start this to be anyone's friend, though, and then once they get that and I'm not trying to be in your circle, you know, Like it started young bro like and I don't. I don't know if Trevor remember this. Um. When Trevor got drafted by New York, he asked me to come out there. I told him, no, bro, I'm not gonna live off you. Bro. When you're in the late let's get it, you know what I mean? I remember I'm paraphrasing. And then like

two years later, I see Lolita at the mall. She got in my ask you left my son hanging who? I said, huh, what are you? You know? And then we've mended it since, but there was a gap we can talk. I think they took that like I didn't want to rock with him. I was like, and I was young, you know, so I could have probably said it maybe a different energy because I was fucking twenty six. I don't remember how much old I am to Trevor. But I was a young dude raising young dudes. UM,

So I told him not. But I didn't want to be in his I don't want to be I don't want to be a hang on. I want to earn my stripe, so when you're in l A. But at the same time, I couldn't leave by it because I had a kid. But that wasn't the energy. But I'm not here to live off you, and I'm not I'm not here to be in your circle. I'm here to make sure you fucking change the zeros behind your name and your family. So I think they get that, and so I can coach a certain way. I can talk

a certain way. You know a lot of dudes, Today's Brodie, Brodie, Brody, Yo, what's up? Brody? And bro I'm a grown ass man. I'm not gonna call it a dude, Brodi twenty times in a conversation. You know so well, hard man, I train hard. I'm not the same as I used to be, you know, because I understand. I just can't iron fish all the time. I compliment a little bit more than I did when I was young. But even Spencer, he'll come to my workouts, you know, because I work him out,

and you know, we have our sessions. Like if he comes earlier, it's like, damn, you ain't the same when I was a kid, you know, like, and it involved you a little bit. Well, the society has changed, the society's tolerance has changed for certain types of coaching, right because we see so many episodes of what what can be deemed what can be deemed, as you know, abusive coaching. And now you know nowadays you get in trouble for

the slightest thing. Here's my thing, here's my observation. I think that you still resonate with this generation because you've built up a considerable amount of trust that anybody that works with you, anybody that stuff footing is them stuffs footing at an old Simples clinic camp situation, understands that they're there to get better, and that's all that you

care about. And so you just you literally you get so deep into the weeds of of getting better that you know you have you pay attention to so many details. I observed you and as as somebody that you know, my son was working with you, and as a parent that's watching this, you just feel good about, you know, spending your money with a guy like you, or just you know, getting that stamp of approval by by old now man, I I mean you you hit it on the nose. Man. I think I I still resonate with

the young guys. And you said you started to say something. I wanted to attack, but I want to finish your thoughts. I never coached where I'm gonna get in trouble even today, you know, like Bill Knight can't coach today, I can coach into that generation. I'm at a private school. I hold these kids accountable, and private schools is the first

one to let you go. There's ways to verbalize and be firm without being derogatory, you know what I'm saying, Like, don't get me wrong, Like there's a couple of coaches doing well, not in Nancy had it. I don't really rock with because of how they talk to these players. Um, I don't want to say names because you know, I got relationships that needs to stay intact, you know, for

you know people that I'm tired too. But bro, like I'm never gonna call a kid out his name, never go do you know what I'm saying, Like, no, you know I can coach today. I'm just not going to let you accept mediocrity. And people are okay with mediocrity Like no, no mediocrity, don't get don't pay the bills, you know, Like the world is highly competitive and basketball, like I said, was my father not for basketball for life? You know like, bro, like if I lose a job,

job ain't gonna come knock on my door. I gotta go get it. So if I if I lose a game, I can't. Okay, No, I gotta knuckle up, buckle up, and work harder next time. If I feel you know what I'm saying, it's teaching life lessons. Bro, I'm doing you a disservice if I if I don't do it, and if I lose money, because like that's funny game stop working with me. And he may not say this, but I know he told me you're too hard. Okay.

You know, look, man, Gabe was one of the most talented guards I've ever had, you know, highly skilled, you know um, but I probably lost him because you know that's too hard because you gotta remember, Bro, you as a high level you. You said, l A, I'm sure ninety five of your relations per cent of your relationships

weren't authentic. You probably got maybe even hide in that three or four percent of the do is you've really been with you still with like everybody won't be in your circle, bro, like you you Chris Johnson, Bro, you national champs. You know, let me and not gonna tell you. You know when you sunk up or Man, that wasn't cool and that we want yes men in our circle. Bro, I don't want it. Yes man, I don't want that on My is gonna challenge me be a better person.

You know what I'm saying. And that's what this is all about. You know, this is all about brother and and even til this day, like you know the agency that I did, I trained with. How I got into that five years ago. Took a dude from Alabama, man like it wasn't to do from Cat said, oh man, I lay your work man. Come you know, YO, can work this Nankee team out of can work this Adida's team. Get on our brother. Took a due from Alabama, say yo, man, I'm about to become an agent. I want you to

train my players. We have someone in that position for the entire organization. But when I get mine, you're gonna go. Well. The year after his first year that position became available, I interviewed the hiring me as an independent contractor. I mean I had to interview and do work. But they also knew my work because that same year he came on, they used St. Monica's nine to whatever and I was there with Spencer seven Day and the nine because Miguil

Viegas was there. He coached because they went were the middle school, so he allows us the gym. So they saw my work. In that same summer, Spencer wasn't in the league. He was fighting to even make the roster. Brooking that summer were winn into that season run up

for most improved players. So that following year, man the position became available and took a dude like, Yo, Man, I trust you because he's setting his brothers for our relationship with He set his brother out here when his brother is getting ready to play pro his rookie year, asked me how much he was. I said, they don't even stress. I know it's his first year. I'm just throwing in with my guys. Funny thing is the guys I thought me in with Spencer when he was in Colorado.

One of my kids at cal eat miney, my girly money. Stafford mcgheita was at Texas. I do him in that group. Your family broke fast forward, he get a job, he look out and obviously you know, but I bring that up to say me and him, man, every week we had each other's throats in a good way. You know, we still hold each other accountable, like what we can do better what we can what you know we added I want dudes that that and even if forty six and for it, man, Like, I'm still trying to get better.

I'm still trying to be a better person. I'm trying to be a better husband. I'm trying to be a better father. Man, I'm just trying to be a better coat. I'm trying to be a better I'm not stuck on man. I had three of the top successful draft class in the last three years, if not the best I have NBA guys right now, Like no, like, how can we get better? Like you know? And but like I said it, it's it rubs dudes the wrong way. I know it. Do I lose clients because of it? But I go

to better night. I wouldn't. I wouldn't trip bro because like you said, I mean, it's very important to have truth tellers, people that are not yes men in your circle, that voice of reason, that voice that's gonna called spade a spade um. When you don't have that, man, you walk around delusional thinking you're a lot better than yard Man, and then ultimately you don't work as hard and you just get gas. But flipping a topic that I really always wanted to kind of just just unhashed, just hash

out with you. Lebron James. Let me ask you this, why do you think that Lebron James receives so much? For instance, he's out here in l A. He's having one of the best seasons, his best seasons of his career. His average is probably gonna lead the league and scoring, he's doing all these these things the Lakers down season. Why do you think he has the shoulder all the blames specifically from like l A fans, Laker fans around the city. Let me start my side. What about people

think it's big Brown. It goes back to hold the people account the yeah, you're average and thirty this year. I can turn film on where you're not giving full effort defensive. I believe in building a culture, right Like with this l A team, you have three top semi five players, but really should have four. You should have four.

And there's games where I wish he would have an iron fist because it's not about scoring thirty, it's not about execute, and it's not about it's the knock on this Laker team this year, a lot of times they don't play hard well. It starts with the leading. You will never say, oh, Michael Jordan, team didn't play hard. You would never say even Magic Johnson when he smiled. You know that you play with U C. L A.

That Magic was mean as fun. You don't make a shot, you ain't getting the ball the rest of the game, or you may not play like not get him off the court like he smiled, was an asshole. But lead with Iron Fish Lebron, like Bird said, you want to have fun, play with him, like Lebron is so fucking great that I think he can be the greatest athlete player of any sport period. And it's just this one little thing for me, and I'm never gonna change him.

And they were like with Kobe when Kobe was Bush and he got my raft, like you know, like you're gonna be and you're in l A. You're gonna get held accountable in l A. You know what I mean. Dwight Howard came here after great years in Orlando. They fucking murdered him. You know, you don't bring it every night. It ain't just about scoring, man. I think it's like people, what is it about? What is it about? So his rebounds, his assists, what is it about? What is this about?

It's maximum effort from it's maximum effort. You have not him Today's NBA. You got the best shoes, you got the best uh, you got the best training, recovery stuff. You don't fly. You don't fly commercial like you know, and then when guys not playing hard and man, we're taking games off. Bro, your dad played in Chucks, you know what I'm saying, Like he flew commercial Like like the game isn't it physical? Like the recovery is easier.

There's so much stuff today that the expectation isn't really overboard. Like Kobi played with a finger that needed surgery the whole season. He shot his free thows on in Achilles, Like this is what all A's used to. It ain't just him. I brought up Dwight Howard, Steve Nash got you know what I'm saying, Steve Nash golden boy. When he was here. He got a little salting too that lets used to win. Man, ain't no excuses fucking Bed

Howling four times Final four. I just don't think I think I hear you, Olden, but I just don't think that this is really from a place of objective Okay, Lebron's not hustling. I think this comes from a deep seated hate of Lebron James from Los Angeles Laker fans from the years that there was this perceived thing that it was a battle between him and Kobe. I still think the way people Blaker fans talk about the guy it's with it's with like Spike and it's with like venom.

It's not like you treat him like you know he's actually the captain of your your hometown team. You're just treating him like he's just some guy that has done a lot, you know, on a lot, on high level, but isn't doing what you need, what you guys want this year. So screw them. Like, that's what I get. It's in it's whack you. You can't blame Lebron, man, what I mean, you can't blame Lebron for everything. I

blame asked the question, I gave you my answer. And I know this right here is a podcasting in it when it within itself I brought you didn't hear that. I heard that. I heard that. I heard that. I heard it up. It's different, man, shot got destroyed in l A to Westbrook, average of nineteen and yeah, not shoot while you're not doing this. He not home grown l A. Dude can't bring his family to the game. So you're saying that did he for Lebron? No, I'm

giving you a whole bunch of different situations. Since I l A is about winning, that's it, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't have an issue if Lebron wins. He went, like win the championship. Bro, I'm a basketball guy. I'm not a team guy. I'm a I'm a bout Like I watched Batman, like I want to say dog. And I'm telling you this because you know people think it's take. I wanted to say, dude, that's the best

player I've ever seen in my entire life. Like with shot Man, I wanted to say, that's the best for ever seeing my entire life. You had come to camp out of shade, like he wouldn't give it all the time, Like you could have been the best player. And I think it comes from my personal background, like I didn't have the opportunity to keep going. You know, I had

a kid earlier, I did some dumb things. Basketball was so much embedded in me that like I'm fucking uh passionate, obsessive, like when I see certain things like yeah, man, like come on, you know what I'm saying, And then people think it's hey because you have a criticism or a comment. It's not a hey, bro. We didn't grow up saying it was hey. Man. If if if one of your dudes was bullshit and crisshaw Chris, come on, man, I

know young Chris. Bro Like, I know young christ you probably yeah, you probably like so why is it that the same guys don't have the same like, come on, Brian, you should have come on man like you under the rim? You know, like reverse that ship finished games? Get this stub. He made the right play. He made the right play. You see this is and you know what I call lebron guys. You know the guys that are toty Lebron, You guys are Trump supporters because Trump can do no wrong.

People say he made the right player. Carmelo is open dog. If a dude has to pump fake take a dribble in side step, how is that open when you're six eight at the rim under the basket? Easy reverse, that's an easier shot. He was like, man, he made the right play. He was open. If a dude has to pump, fake side step, how is he open? That's that's my that's but you gotta you gotta blame style of play too. And emphasis is like everybody's trying to get it three.

All you needed was a two to win. It doesn't matter. You're still trying to get it three. You see what I'm saying. This says the thing. So when I go against it, I'm not going against the I didn't say it. Rod Strickland said it. Yeah. Rod even said he should have shot that damn ball. But it's Rod Hayden. No, people say it's Hayden. When someone has a comment, a real comment, a person Chris Johnson, it's gonna say, man,

he made the right play. No, this dude wasn't open like people say he made it to the open guy. I'm speaking to people that played basketball. If a guy has to faith and take a sidestep, how the funk is he open? When I said Lebron guys are like Trump guys. Trump is grabbing private all right, said hold on, He's trying to the wall to Mexico and then people still vote for him and they're still supporting Bro. He's trying to keep you out. He still women still vote

for him. Yet he's you know what I mean, like it's on camera. It's that. Let me ask something. One of the greatest players ever playing, and you never said I'd say it. One of the greatest players to ever play, arguably one of the most like his off court like stuff, you know, take care of his body and all that is unprecedented, like respect, all that about it. I just be wanting to say, Man, this dude is the best player to ever played, Like I want to say it.

I want the certain things when he getting in, he's under the basket, like still year nineteen. That's what we're doing. Man, go go jump over these nickers and dunking like you're doing the third quarter like you know, play like that's all. Like I want to say, it's not Coope versus bron because here's here's I grew up in Magic. Magic was my favorite player, but I was still Man, I hate Mike,

but Mike is Micaus. Mike. Mike is the best. I haven't argued to say Magic is the best twelve eleven years because that twelve year he had aids eleven the years dude was in the championship times, and there's no doubt Magic. There's no doubt Magic has a major argument. Major argument Puss is the way he played the game at that's at his height, like unbelievable. People realize how great that dude is when I say that, like clutch

and his clutch. Gene was next. Remember the hooks, Remember Magic just pulling hooks out his ass, just like in championship games. At the first time I saw him shooting hook who was in the finals and Ship? I was like, that's ridiculous. But but oh, who do you like today? That's gonna carry kind of the torch from Lebron. That's gonna, you know, keep the legacy of greatness going in the NBA. Luca, would he be somebody? Tray young Yokis like all these guys,

Janice Steph out of those guys. Let me just narrow this question a little bit that I named, who do you think is most poised to be the next face of the NBA. I'm a rant John Grant and Janice I mean the job play with a level of passion, you know what I mean. I'm a passion guy, Bay passion and grit. We're not talking skills because he's fucking highly skilled and his room growth is ridiculous. He just plays with a certain level of toughness and grit. And

you know that. I like that. I mean, if I guess, that's that's my thing. That's why I love Russ. Russ can do no wrong in my eye, Like, okay, turnovers come, man, you know, okay, Michigan, okay, But Russ is still gonna dive into the stands. Russ is still going. Russ is gonna fight you. Russ gonna try to bite your face off. Like that's that's I guess that's my it, because how I play like a six too big booguard At the Palisades, we didn't have a lot of dudes. We had to

play crunshaws with bugs. We had to play fair fact. But I say, man, you larns with does like I'm fighting their game, and that's I grew up. So I think that's my hit, bro, Like I honestly think, you know, an even Carmelo, like he smiled, how but Carmelo put you in the face. Magic smile but magic hat. Uh. So that's my thing, man, you know what I mean? And so I think John Moran, you know that his ceiling is so high, bro, like gian is still barely

twenty seven. You know your kids. I don't know if he could get any better, like even if he stays his way first batting Hall of Fame and this is that, but can he get it? Like, I think this is your kids, we're gonna see the rest of the time. I think for Luca the same thing. He gonna stay in the right time. I think, my guy, people, you're being biased. Sha ain't far off and he and okay see hiding since the All Star Baking evers like thirty two, eight and six and this year you know he was.

But dudes just gonna bring it every night. Lead teams, and I think they still have a lot of growth left. Um, but the NBA is in great hands, man. I think yan Is still has a lot of growth here as much as he's done. I think t Young is who Trey Young is gonna be the rest of his career. I mean, I mean, what more can he do with his size and package to to get even better? I don't. I think this is Trey Young the rest of his career,

unless you know, borring injuries. I think your kiches, this is your kich um Man that's dominating the league and still to me got so much growth. It's just scared. I think something that that scared scared me or made me kind of just think about the future of the league a little differently was when Carl Anthony Towns won the three point contest. Uh that that was a monumental moment for me, because that's not that's not oh real quick back, oh Anthony Edwards in there those three guys

Man Anthony Awards is the monster I think here. Yeah, I think once we see like your kich embed like where their game is at now is obviously that elite level. I think it's like Parl Anthony Towns is going to develop into that and it's going to trans they in the winning we'll see a lot more of him and what they got going in Minnesota. I really, I really think in the future, like dope like that. But but

John Mayrant is somebody that you know. He he's like a taller Iverson the way he attacks the room with that ferocity, that anger. The height. I mean, it's like you say, man, you just don't see that effort. It's Russell Westbrook type stuff. And but but but Luka duncan, Man, you can't. You can't, really, no, I can't. I can't go wrong with Luka. Man, I'm not going wrong with Luca. Here's the thing with Luca. He's in year four, right, yeah, Okay,

I believe there's rooms for him. But the room for him for me is I think getting in bed like elite, elite shape and something doesn't really made a priority as yet. I don't know if he will. But if he did that, like his growth is, there's another exponential jump. But what he's doing right now, it's ridiculous, I think, Luca, but I'm you know, I guess what I was when you answer the question, because because Lebron's not done, k D is not done. You're talking who's gonna take over the metal? Right?

The dudes ain't done. I'm looking at guys. It's still upward Trent. You know, honestly, man, what more can Trey Young doing that package? If he stays there this career, he's superstar harvly, But I don't know if there's more. You know, um, Luca, if he made his body of focus, I think, but year four he hasn't. I mean, but Jannice is still trying to evolve that mid range and three ball, and you know he's it's coming. When he gets that it's unfair. John Moran is still trying to

get that three ball consistent, that big range. When he get that it's unfair. Um, you know like those guys Shave six five point guard that can do whatever on the court and his shots evolving as well. I look at guys that's dominant and all star level now that still has room to grow to take over the mantel. When these guys lead and they're marketable, you honest is marketable. Shade got the you know we're talking to talking about

marketable when you're talking about telling them. Shae has the Louis Vatton NBA dealing in the face of converse and doing a whole. But Moran is marketable, personable, So it's Dante. I mean, the NBA is in great hands, bro, The NBA is in great you know who John My John Morant remind me of and a lot of people don't realize how good it was. Baron Davis, the reason reminds me of Bear is explosive, explosive, but can play with pace.

See russ don't play with pace. Russe's barn was explosive, can play up, bold, play with pace, and was a pure point guard as well. It wasn't just athlete like injuries. Barre ex to write reads, pick and roll, plays with page change. But once he see that lane, it's you know what I mean. Like, so that's where he reminds me of Beat. People say Russ, but Russ athleticism wise, yeah, but Russ is still one speed. There's no that's a

great point, man, that's a great point. With the pace pace at all Bed had all the Arguably, Beat was like one of the best basketball players I had seen, like ever had seen at one point in his career, Like he was that dominant, he was like he gave you that feeling on the inside like this is one of the best basketball players I've ever seen. Like you only get that on certain dudes, bro, and Beat was definitely definitely one of those dudes. But oh, my man,

I appreciate you taking the time, my brother. We've been on this thing about an hour or something. Bro, I gotta let you go. I know you gotta you probably headed to the gym and you've got something to do, man, But I appreciate you taking the time to day my brother. No man, thanks for having me. I know. We went off topic a little bit and went little you know, we're good. We're good, but no man, it's talking basketball with someone you respect. It's always it's always a blessing,

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