KJ Live - Lisa Byington

just to name a few. She's a trailblazer in the field of broadcasting and in one she was named the first full time female played by play announcer in the NBA by the Milwaukee Bucks. Let's welcome in, Lisa Buyington into the building. Lisa, how are you good? Chris, I'm here a little bit of your dad. Boy. That's that's a compliment too, election, the pauses, the the pace of

your speech. I love it. I feel like I'm talking to a younger m J. Which, by the way, I always want to ask one of his partners, how is it working with my dad? Shout out to my dad. He hooked this up side. We got to talk about markets for a second. How what how is it working? With my dad, Lisa. I love it. Um, you know, he's part Hollywood, part Hall of Hall of Famer. I always feel like he should go into the Hall of

Fame eventually and be a people take no please. Um. You know that's another maybe that's another podcast for another day. But you know, Marcus Johnson provides um, what I call is very unique in an analyst. You know, and whatever sport you're doing, you know, a lot of people are either heavy on the excess and nose or heavy on the entertainment. And there are very few that can bounce between both, you know, and and teach the game and be heavy on the excess and os but also be

fun and entertaining. And Marcus Johnson is the unique individual that can nay it through both worlds and he and I consider myself a basketball person. I played in college and and watched it my whole life. My dad was my high school coach, so I'm not It's not like I know everything about basketball, but when when you grow up playing and watching the sport, you know, you notice

things beyond the obvious. And he has just a level of observations that even teaches the basketball person something about basketball. So I love yeah, I love to call my dad your favorite basketball players favorite basketball player. I saw because I read somewhere or I heard you talk about you your love from Michael Jordan's growing up and I'm not sure if you're familiar, but Michael Jordan had MJ had MJ's poster. That's my claim to favor your favorite basketball

player's favorite basketball player, that's my dad. But talk about talking about your beginnings, the foundation for you. You turned into this amazing broadcaster, but you have an athletic back around. I kind of wanted to touch on that and just get an understanding of when you know, what what sports did you play and what got you into athletics so heavy, you know, I love it. The fact that my mom and dad they weren't they weren't the parents Chris who

made me specialized. I think too many you know, kids growing up these days now like they just specialized in the one sport. And thankfully I didn't grow up in a household that was like that. So you asked what sports I played, It was everything from swimming to tennis, to soccer, to basketball to the softball. Um. They even have me do some dance and gymnastics, you know, and so, um, what they did is they let me, as I got older than than Lisa got to choose what she wanted

to do. You know, So I I gravitated more towards basketball and soccer. Um, and that's what I eventually played in high school, and that's eventually what I played at Northwestern University. I was four years of basketball and two years of soccer. But the fact that they let me experience a lot of things, and then on top of that, the fact that they let me choose is really really valuable, I think to my growth and just the versatility I like to I still to this day, like to do

a little bit of everything. Were you a PG, you know, I joke with not basketball people, so that would not be you. But I try to joke with people that I was at five, that I was a center and had matt hops. But if you've seen me in person, you know I'm I was listed at five six. I'm probably more like five four or five five now, But being a center is a little bit of a stretch. So yes, I was a point guard, okay, okay, and

I played center. Believe it or not, I'm only six five, But I got signed to U C l a as a center six pounds center, so I understand what that's like. And then in soccer, you were a striker or center mid or Yeah. I was the Prima Donna forward. I was just like sending to the corner flag. I'm gonna chase it down, you know, I want all the glory, all the goals. Yeah, I feel you, feel you, Yeah, that's what I was. The soccer. Yeah. I always wanted to play soccer. I just wasn't quite fast enough to

do it. I loved the game. I love to watch it. Spent some time in Italy with my dad kind of fell in love with soccer and that whole culture over there. Um, while you were at Northwestern, was that when you first rich is a renowned school for broadcasting and journalism. Was that when you first got the bug to be in front of the camera or a broadcast journalist. Well? I always thought I was gonna be playing sports for the

rest of my life, you know. I had this ocean that I was good enough, I was gonna play professionally and find something, you know. But I realized actually in college that I became the backup point guard for my team. So I realized that I probably wasn't gonna be able to play sports for the rest of my life. So I started to kind of look at real people jobs and realizing I didn't want the real people job that had to sit at the desk in the corner office and and and stare at a computer all the time.

If I was gonna stare at a computer, I wanted to be like prepping for sports, and so I wanted to find in a way. I love sports so much. I talked about how my parents letting me play sports as a little kid, and a lot of different things. So I was so I was just thinking, you know what, I don't want to get rid of that. So I actually was deciding between becoming a basketball coach um and

becoming a journalist. And I didn't know if I wanted to be a print journalist and at the time when newspapers are a little bit more popular, being magazine or newspaper which would eventually translate to being just an online reporter that we have now, or if I wanted to

go into TV and so. But McDill School Journalism is what I unbiasedly or maybe more biasedly, like to consider as one of the best journalism schools in the country at Northwestern, thank you, thank you, And so it was it was really easy to give schooling, the edgication, the opportunities, the networking. Someone right, Musburgers another Northwestern grad um. So

we like to go to Northwestern Syracuse. You know, we have our we have our lums, we have our prestige and tradition, and we like to kind of compare the journalism schools between the two schools. But it was easy to do once I once I hopped into that. Yeah, no, um. I when I was at U c l A, which isn't as famous for its broadcasting as Northwestern, but it has produced some pretty solid individuals in front of the camera.

I kind of, you know, I was playing ball on the team we had won an extra championship, but I was also focused on kind of, you know, earning my chops a little bit. I took drama, you know, I took a couple of classes to learn how to do stuff in front of the camera, behind the camera. I

took a journalism course. I kind of just at the time, I was just thinking to myself, you know, hey, you're at U c l A, You're in l A. You might as well because this is the type of town that if you got a little a little bit of you know, anything, experiencing anything, that you might get a shot and doing something. But which leads me to my question about your first shot, when you first got your first geek um working for a station or a newspaper, wherever it was, where was it, how old were you,

and talked to me about that experience. I would love to because there's nothing really the write home about, because it's it's the It was the second smallest TV market in the country. And it was all the way up in Alpina, Michigan. So people who aren't familiar with Michigan, and actually even people who are familiar with Michigan have no idea where Alpino, Michigan is. So it's up north.

It's about forty five minutes south of mcinal bridge. I think some people have heard of that, and in the Upper Peninsula, so it's it's just really really far up north. And when I say it was the second smallest market in the country, for people who don't know market size in the top of the market is based on populations New York, in l A and Chicago. It is kind

of your one, two, and three biggest markets. Alpina, Michigan was sitting I think at like two eleven and they stopped counting at tot and uh, you know, I mean it's it was right above Glenn Dive, Montana. I looked on the list to see where is alf Alpina isn't the smallest TV market? What is the smallest TV market? And the answer was Glenn Dive, Montana. But I loved it, Chris, because I got to do a little bit of everything. And you know, it very much was a grunt work

kind of job. You know, you're you're working twelve to fourteen hours because you have to do everything. You are your own camera person, you are your own editor, you are your own producer, You're your own reporter and anchor makeup person. You know you you name it. Um. I remember several Friday nights where we would hop in a car and we would do this high school football show. And we would hop in a car and drive from

high school to high school. And you had to pick up a camera and you put it on your shoulder back when you know, the cameras are bigger right back then, and um, and so you shoot your own high school football highlights. You get to the three or four high schools. You come back to the station, you edit your own stuff. You're looking You're like, okay, I gotta make the eleven

o'clock news. So so it's like ten forty five. You got a race into the bathroom and change because you were in sweats and James, because you were just shooting your own highlights right and you running there, and you do your hair and makeup, you try to look presentable, and then you do the uh whatever it was twenty minute a half hour high school football show, and then you rinse and repeat and you do it again. And I got to cover things like the brown Trout Festival

Alpino Community College. They were the Lumberjacks. That was I think, uh, you know, like twenty different high schools and stuff, and so like outdoor sports, you know, snowmobil and all that. So things that nontraditional sports that I would never get a chance to do now. And and I really got my foot in the door, which was the message that people gave me, Lisa. It's not where you start, it's

where you finish. You just need a chance. You just need your foot in the door, and then work hard and treat people the right way and you'll carve your own path eventually. No, that's amazing. I mean there's a lot to be said for how people start in the surroundings, the atmosphere and sort of you know what's presented in front of them. So you had to do a bunch of stuff on your own, and that taught you a skill set that's probably invaluable to you today. I mean

it makes a lot of things a lot easier. You're probably easy to work with because you understand the makeup person, you understand the camera. I mean, you understand everybody. So you're probably easy to work with. I have to ask folks about that. No, I'm just joking. But um, and that's but that's that's dope. You're listening to Fox Sports. Um, I love the small town story. It's always ironic to me how so many of the biggest stories, some of our big stories, and our big stars and people that

have accomplished come from smallest towns and humble beginnings. There's definitely something to be said for that. Lisa. In two thousand and seventeen, you became the first female full time play by play UM announcer in for the Big Ten Network College football talk about that experience, and I wanted to know, do you get into sort of the thing about being the first female in you know, in the field of sports doing something, or do you care about that or is this something that you wear with a

badge of honor. It's a great question, Chris. I understand why people talk about it. I understand why it's a headline. Anytime that nothing has been done before, it makes news. Me personally, when I say this, I don't embrace, not, you know, embrace being a role model. Let me get that out of the way. But what I don't embrace are those adjectives first and female, because I don't look at myself in that way. I look at myself as

just an announcer. I mean, you know, when I sit next to your dad and I'm about to call it Bucks basketball game and I put on the headset, I'm not thinking I'm a female announcer. I'm I'm putting on a headset thinking I'm an announcer, and I'm an NBA announcer, and I'm thinking about what our storylines are. I'm thinking about matchups. I'm thinking about what Janice is going to do that night, you know, and so it's it's the

furthest thing from my mind. But in two thousand seventeen and that opportunity that you reference with football, it was it was really the first time that I got a feeling of maybe the implications. I don't want to say heaviness, because I didn't. I didn't feel like overloaded by it. But I felt the attention, and I felt a little bit more of the pressure. And what I really wanted to do was to be good enough that people would

continue to hire women in some of those positions. And I've always said this, Chris, is that I cannot wait when you know, first of all, we lose those adjectives first and female. But when we watch a sportscast and and we're listening, and we're watching, and we're not paying attention to the gender of the announcers, and I do

it too. You know, if I'm if I'm listening to a men's game, whether it's in basketball or football, baseball, soccer, you name it, and I hear a female announcer on it, I stop when I'm doing and I literally try to figure out who's who's the woman doing this game? And I think it happens across the country and many different households. But you know, eventually, um, you know, maybe a female voice can be back noise on a men's game and and that's that's that's my dream. You know that that

someday that happens. Is that we're sitting here and we're doing work, we're on our phone, you know, looking at something. We got a game out of the background, and it doesn't make we have a female voice doing an NBA game or a college football game, and you know what, we don't not trying to figure out who that female announcer is doing that game. Yeah that that hopefully we'll

get to that place sooner than later. Um. But I do enjoy the background noise at times when when that that that that you reference, because when you hear a woman calling the game, there's always a perspective that you're you're introduced to, so you're getting a perspective that it's shared, but it's also it's a different perspective. There's a little nuances in there, and so I enjoy it. Um. I just know that our culture is a little weird about it, and I'm sure that I saw you talk about it

a little bit. Some of the things social media that take place where there's really no place for where people are saying you know things. But just so you know, we love hearing you. We love your voice, we love your insight and knowledge, especially the knowledge of the game. That's the part that I think that is the most impressive thing about it. It's the knowledge of the game. And it's like it's like Doors does the same thing

Doors Burke. When you listen to Doors, it's like, Okay, boom, you know, and you all you almost enjoy some of some of the takes a little bit more than some of the dudes. But that's another podcast. UM. Yeah, I've heard you talk about stuff. You said this many times, um or not many times, but you've referenced this this phrase. You said, you gotta do the grunt job to get

the glory job. I want you to expand on that and just kind of talk about what that means because that kind of resonated with me when when I heard it the first time. M Well, it goes back to my first job. You know, I was making four team when an Alpina Michigan. Chris and we talked about that job, and I was making fourteen thousand dollars a year and working, you know, twelve to fourteen hours a day, and I

loved it. And and that's when I realized I was doing the right thing, because I wasn't counting the dollars in in my bank account, which wasn't very many, so we wouldn't have taked long to do that. Uh, you know, I wasn't paying attention to my watch and how many um hours I was lying because I just enjoyed the work.

And you know, I didn't just roll out of bed yesterday and say, you know what, I think would be really cool to be an NBA play by play announcer today, or you know, like you know, brushing my teeth in the morning and say, you know what I want to do, and I want to call the Olympics or the World Cup or n C Double a tournament. And I think we fall into that trap where we meet someone, you know,

and the person standing in front of us. We forget that there's so much work that goes into the person you're standing in front of us, and and and so many curdles and and so many mountains to climb and and we all have them. And you know, when I say grunt took glory a job, I'm talking about that journey. And sometimes the space between grunt job and glory job could be a month or five months, sometimes it could

be a year. Um there's a story where for me that space in between grunt job and glory job was ten years and and and my grunt job with Alpina Michigan, and my glory job at the time was to be a sideline reporter for the men's at c Double, a tournament for CBS and Turner. And when I made my first ask it was in um it was in two thousand and seven. And then when I finally got the first offer from CBS and Turner, it was two thousand seventeen.

And I asked every single year Chris, and I got a no no no no year one year, two, year, three or four or five, six seventy, I mean all the way to year ten. The irony of that is I didn't even ask in your tent. I had given up because I had thought, you know what, I'm good,

I'm getting some good opportunities. But that's my point is that I think everyone should appreciate the journey that each person goes on, and we all have a job if we can yes, M M. How do you stay locked in through all the nose, Lisa, how did you stay focused, you know, on on continuing to knock on those doors year after year? They tell you know, what drove you,

what motivated you? Inspired you to keep trying? I think that's an athlete in me, quite honestly, you know, like it's it's the stubborn little you know, blonde point guard who's trying to, you know, work her way through a game and trying to figure out everything. And and that was me. You know, I'm a stubborn person. I'm a determined person. And um, I decided to not get better. I decided to get better. And it's one of the hardest lessons that you can learn. But as a as

a former athlete, you learn to be coached, right. You learn to be told you're not good enough here, you need to improve here. And it's probably one of the everyone asks, like, well, what's the value of translating your athletic background to your professional background? Is I want to know where I need to improve on. I want to know where I could get better. Um, sometimes I want you to tell me no that yet you know, and and then I'll figure out how to get to that point.

And so those are the lessons that you learn. You don't get better, you get better, and you might not always agree with the nose and you might not always agree with the evaluation that the person is telling you. But there's something there. I guarantee you there's something there with that note coming from that person that you can learn from and you can use and it can make you a better person and a better professional. Yeah, that's a very constructive way of taking criticism or taking a note,

you know what I mean? Because sometimes the nose could it could break a person. You could it could really take away your love of something. And you know, if you're constantly told no, So no, that's great advice. Um, that's great advice. What when you got to the NBA, was it everything that you thought it was gonna be? Covering it on a day to day basis, I wasn't sure what that what that image is gonna look like? You know, Um, I grew up, as you mentioned, I grew up a Michael Jordan fan. I grew up a

Bad Boys fan. I grew up at the State of Michigan. So watch that. How can you be a Jordan fan and a Bad Boys fan at the same time, Lisa, how is that possible? I was a little screwed up. I was a little messed up, but I always wanted MJ to get you know, forty and Pistons to win. So absolutely I navigated through that world in in that way. Um. And so it's just you know, I love I love the sports, right, I love I love that that um,

that aspect of it. But you know, it's just it's figuring out, um early kind of like what you want to do, right and finding your passion and working your way through it, um and then just kind of making the most of it. Yeah, yeah, was there anything about that when you got to the NBA? Was there anything about the NBA that might have surprised you? Covering it from day to day? Were you surprised by the I mean anything with the players as far as their ability

seeing it up close in personal? Obviously you've been watching the game for a long time that you know, I would pay attention a lot and like every like a lot of people, a lot of basketball people pay attention to the playoffs, right, and and it's and you really find an NBA fan when they pay attention in November and December in January. So so my biggest question was, was my passion going to be there in November, December, January be easy once you get February, March, April, as

you're navigating towards the end of the NBA season. So that was my biggest question in a night out, UM, when they're throwing out lineups that are unique, let's say, you know, and and maybe you know, managing minutes right of of some of the best players and you're not getting sometimes the best matchups right in December or January

or whatever, was I still going to enjoy it? And the answer is yes, I mean I just you get, you know, some of the best seats in the house, um, and to watch the best players, the best athletes in the world. And and as a basketball person, as a pure basketball person, there is nothing better. There's no job that is better than that. They take care of us, you know, like we travel with the team, so I have no complaints about where we stay and how we fly.

And the only thing that I have to make sure I'm doing is is making that bus on time that goes to the arena or in the second bus, the first bus or the second but well I'm always first bus. I loved getting there early. Your father's would be like the fifth bus, even though there's three buses available, he would be on bus five. You can help show up like five minutes before we have Oh my god, Oh my god. But he's he's first in line for the food post game. Oh you know if he's john he's

a Johnson. He knows what's up. He's the last of the court to arrive in the pre game, but the first in line for postcame dinner. Absolutely. Oh that's funny. That's so funny. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. I wanted to get your perspective on your honest because I feel like he's one of the greatest basketball players I've ever seen played a game. Um, do you share this sentiment? Is it too early to call him that? Where are

you at with him in his historical standing already? I mean it's he's twenty seven years old, he's going on twenty eight, and he's a two time league MVP, He's an NBA champion, he's all offensive player. I mean, you name it. Um, he just did in in the last season. He just had four straight seasons of averaging twenty five or more points. Ten or more rebounds, five or more assists. No other NBA player has done that. And here's here's the deal. He's at twenty seven, going to twenty eight.

So this is the sweet spot part of his career. We've seen so many athletes and basketball players in general, you know, I think from maybe ages twenty seven to maybe thirty three really kind of stepped their level up. And and I think he's He's the one guy where you tell him you can't make a free throw, honest, what's he gonna do. He's gonna work on his free throw you can. All you are is a is a driver and a dunker, honest. So what's he gonna do. He's gonna work on his mid range game, He's gonna

work on his three point game. He's gonna do all of that he has. And here's the other thing. So I have two favorite honest moments from year one of calling the Bucks, and I'll tell you what they are. And and it had nothing to do with setting the all time Bucks scoring record, which a lot of people would think, oh, was you know against the nets when he you know, surpassed Kareem. It wasn't that. So there was a game, uh, January one against the Pelicans, and

he had a triple double. So he gets you know, everybody needs that last tenth assist, you get your triple double, that's the last stat you're usually chasing. So he he passed it off. I think it was Deconnasson and Pat Connatson his three pointer and so now he has his triple double. So then the next time down the court, um, he doesn't have to worry about passing it off. He's like,

this is my time. So triples across. McCourt pulls up and uh and just drills the three and it was at five serf form, and the place goes nuts and he starts walking back like this. People are listening to this and they can't see what I'm doing, Like I'm kind of waving my arms back. You know. He's like saw turning back like this, and um, and my call was, you know, this is his night, this is his year.

And and that was one of my favorite moments for Janice was because I realized at that moment when he's flaring his arms and he's walking back like I'm honest, not the pompo, you know, And but it was the joy. So Number one, it's the joy that he shows that he never takes for granted with this game. You know, he's always going to be that seven year old or eight year old kid growing up, and he will never

lose that passion. He's a multime millionaire and one of the best, is not eventually the best to ever play the game. And he still has that joy. That's number one. Number two thank with the Chris. Number two is his awareness of the game. He scored, he scored fifty points against the Pacers in February and he was sitting on forty eight points, did a little like step back move from the wing and knocked on the jumper and you know what he did. He went five zero with his

hands and he did it to the camera. He knew where the camera was, and he just suddenly as he's running back, went five zero. He knew the meaning of that shot. He knew where the camera was. It's just his i Q, his awareness and number one the joy and number two that that i Q and awareness that is in my opinion, going to set him apart absolutely. I mean when you you saw him this summer in Greece and just how that joy love for the game just kind of with his rubbed off on his teammates

and he's like, you know, the jokester. Behind the scenes, he's picking up, hugging the coach. I mean, he's doing all kind of crazy stuff, but it makes you just fall in love with the guy. I mean, there's nothing about Janice that I don't love. I can't wait to hear him talking to press conference because he's gonna come with a joke. He's gonna say something funny. It's gonna be like an old school dad joke, but it's gonna be funny. And that's the thing I love about him

is that old soul. Um the Bucks. Can you honest lead this year's Milwaukee Bucks to the title? He tried his hardest to do it. Uh In that in that Celtics playoff series last year, right when when Chris Middleton is hurt, I mean he was. I just remember the image of the cameras finding him when when they finally realized in Game seven, Bucks aren't gonna come back, and and he just was He's sitting on the bench and he was exhausted. He I've given everything he could and

it's still the Bucks still felt short. So as good as Janice is, he's gonna need a healthy team around him, and and I think he needs all of the Big three. You know, we saw if you lose one of the Big three, they're just not which is not the same team. And so so they need all three of those guys and Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton and Janice to be

healthy to even begin that conversation. Their defense needs to get better, and I think we're seeing at the early part of this season some of the early three point opponent defensive adjustments that Button his staff are trying to make. But but that needs to get better. And so do they have the talent, absolutely, Do they have the health? I don't know yet. You know, we we haven't seen Chris Middleton yet return. You know now he's got a new risk injury from that knee injury that that forced

him to miss the playoffs last year. So health is number one. They have the talent, but but they have to it healthy. Joe Ingles is gonna be an important equation in my opinion. Um, I love what the Sports Performance stafted last year with Brook Lopez, and they had a very systematic with his back surgery. So they had a very systematic timeline of when he would return. You know, they were they were targeting February March, and they hit

that target. And when he came back, only played what like thirteen games, but when he came back, it was so impressive to me. It was almost like he hadn't missed a beat, you know, especially in those first few games back, and he was such an integral part. And I feel like the timeline for Joe Ingles is going to be in a somewhat similar way. The sports performance team is going to get him back. They wouldn't have brought him in if they didn't see that health was

going to be there. He's going to be a key component because we realized the wing depth wasn't there when we lost Chris, and so um, he's going to provide a little bit more of that that wing depth as a shooter, as a creator, even with his size. So I think he can be a really key component that we won't even see until maybe January or February this year. Yeah, looking forward to listening to you and my dad on

the calls this year with the bucks. Um, you guys do an amazing job and every game Chris I tried to I try to listen to it I tried to listen to every game. We gotta give you more of a shout out that I know, right, but he never shouts me out. But that's okay, that's okay. I'm used to it by now. He talked about his daughter the other day. Yeah, she's a baller. So she's like, she's like six one, she's like a k D. Yeah, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. And she works

hard to Yeah, she loves the game as well. She's obsessed with it. She's looking up stuff on YouTube, watching old players. You know, anytime you watch looking at video old players from back in the eighties and stuff, and you're a thirteen year old today, you love a game because you know she's got her daddy's heart. With that, right, absolutely, absolutely, well,

at least I wanted you to leave leave us with um. Um, just just a piece of advice for young broadcasters, men and women, boys and girls that are coming up that aspire to be in your shoes one day. Um. Centered around this phrase that you use, shaping the moment versus being the moment? What does that mean? And what type of advice would you give to broadcasters coming up to use that sort of as you know, it's something that they should listen to. Well, I use that phrase really

to describe my job as a play by play. You know, everyone says, hotway, what's your style? What do you try to do? And and that was my answers. I tried to help shape the moment and not be the moment. And so that is meaning, you know, add your own style and the personality to it, but know that there's a lot of other people to go into that and um, you're not the most important person that's going into that moment. So um. So that's that's where that phrase comes from.

And and my advice would be two people who are thinking, you know, how do I get in this business or what do I do? I have all these dreams and goals, and I think it's you know, dream big, right, but understand that there's the small steps to get to that big dream sometimes and and be willing to do it no matter how much you're getting paid, no matter how many hours you're working. And we've talked about getting the nose. So don't let this maybe the most important piece of advice.

Don't let someone else's know be your no. And that's really important. Let me say that again. Don't let someone else's know be your no. Might be someone else's no for you at the time, but it doesn't have to be your no for eternity. You know, you define your own road to success, You define the stops that you say yes or no to along the way, and you

define what your dreams are. So don't ever let anyone tell you that your dreams are too big or you can't accomplish those, because it is your life, it is your world, and you get a chance to kind of shape that in and around everybody else's world. Absolutely well, Lisa, thank you so much for your time today. I know you gotta catch a flight. I appreciate you spending some time with kJ live. I think everybody's gonna really love hearing your perspective on a lot of things and find

it a little bit about you. This was a lot of fun, kJ. I really enjoyed it. I'm happy that you asked me on. And I'm a big I'm a big Johnson fans, so with the with the family, and so it was an offer to be on. We're fans of yours as well. Thank you. I appreciate ladies and gentlemen. Lisa buyington