Gottlieb - All Ball - w/guests Evan Daniels and Joel Francisco

Compton Magic versus Team Takeover, Team Takeover. Of course, you can follow them on Twitter at T T O Basketball. We'll get some insight into their roster as well into the Compton Magic. They're at Compton Underscore Magic Big Game at Bishop Gorman. Compton Magic win by two points. Full house, packed house for the Las Vegas Fab forty eight, which of course my guy Dinos dragonis puts on every year. And it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with

Juli recruiting. There's a lot of July recruiting guys that are gloom and doom thinking the n c A is gonna just like Lemmings, follow the recommendation of Colin Condoleeza Rice and the rest of her committee members. Um, I'm not so sure. And as I've stated on previous podcasts, they've been all sorts of different incarnations of what the summer looks like, and almost without fail, the shoe companies survive.

The players who have um, who have been evaluated in different venues for years, will still be evaluated, and most of the same people, at least the good ones, the ones that have earned the respect of the AU and the basketball community, will still stay around the sport. How it actually places how I don't know yet. But before you say gloom and doom and make fun of the fact that Condoleeza Rice has never stepped inside in AU Gymnasium, let alone a big time AU game, I'm with you.

But let's not go gloom and doom until the actual rule comes out and then to see how it actually plays. Because the the genius to some of these a you guys, some of these people that put put on events is they find a way to succeed even when the rules are against them, like they're not. They'll they'll find a way. There will be games, they will have the best players, and the question becomes can they make it more centralized,

can there can be continued coaching? You know, it's it's interesting as we come off of the World Cup and how many great basketball players we produce as a country and how a few great soccer players we produce as a company. Yes, the AU system can run a muck, and look, do I think that all guys belong in college? Probably not. But the fact is that, however screwed up our system of raising young stars in basketball is it

does seem to work now. It's helped by the fact that and I've stated this on a radio show which you can hear daily three to sixces from time called three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. The I Heart Radio appen on our serious XM channel three. UM. Part of it is helped out by the best athletes still play football and basque football and basketball in high schools and in growing up. It's still cooler than playing soccer. So I'm not blind to the fact that you have a

better caliber of athlete. You start with that as the premise. And you know a lot of kids now have dads or moms or dads and moms that both played. So there's a tremendous amount of sports. Basketball like you within the household. You know you're you're not playing with the same hand of cards that everybody else is playing with.

Understand that, But the amount of creativity, the amount of games, the the level of competition, the diversity of competition is so great that we can tinue to pump out far and away the greatest percentage of the best basketball players on earth. And this is not to diminish the Argentina's who have made a not who have made a name for themselves in the NBA. Dirk Davitsky as a German um, so many of the Yugoslavians, the Serbians, you you know,

you name it. There have been players from all of the Brazilians have made the Spaniards, of course, But the truth is that the reason are younger teams are dominating is one the leadership of USA Basketball and two we do have the best and most diverse group of athletes out there. And three, frankly, this screwy system to which players bounce some team to team shoot companies always kind

of seemed to have um something in the game. And all these vivid personalities who may or may not be funneling money for um somewhere reputable or somewhere of ill repute to some of these players, to some of their families, to take care of these kids before they get to college, before they become professional. However screwy it is. It does have a tendency to work. It does. All right, Let's talk about the news of the day with the NBA.

Two things, One Kauai not playing for the USA Basketball and two Kevin Durant getting into it with c J McCullum on Twitter after sitting down with CJ McCullum and appearing on his podcast. And it's interesting because you can have if you listen to the podcast. I think it speaks really well to Kevin Durant. There's a lack of there's nothing for him to be defensive about, but he definitely wasn't. He wasn't defensive in it. Now what c G I think did which I don't like that people

in the media have a tendency to do. And I think he understands that now when you host a podcast, it becomes far different than when you're just on Twitter or when you appear as somebody else's guest on the podcast. He never mentioned that the words soft. He never mentioned the words soft in regards to Kevin Rand. Kevin Rand appears in the podcast he didn't turn to him, at least apart. I heard. He never said, hey, that decision you made to join the Golden State Warriors was soft.

And then in subsequently on Twitter, he did use the soft word, and he also contradicted himself saying, you know, he he didn't have a problem with it, but it was soft. It was a soft decision. And so look, there's a lot of and there's an analogy missed in terms of using it when you're not a gang guy.

I don't know why you use a gang analogy. I understand the hey, you got beat up by guys and so instead of you know, showing some grittiness and toughness and learning how to fight and fighting your way out of it. I got the reference. Kevin Durant, I thought took the reference a different way. He took the the parallel a different way. But I look at this and I I'm just kind of blown away by a couple

of things. One, I think Stage McCullum, who has great intentions at heart, has now learned a really hard kind of conundrum that many people in this business face, which is, if you rip a guy when he's not on your show, are you willing to be at least mildly combative when he is. And I'm not going to point out other radio hosts who came, but a lot of them do. They completely lay down. They'll kill a guy, and then that same guy will come on and be on their show,

and one while they're on, and then too. I think the worst part is after they've been on, because now they feel like they're a friend, they won't ever say anything bad about them even when they deserve. Like, my whole thing is, you'll hear people appear on this. You'll peer people peer on my radio show when I film for other rape people with radio show, and you can say I'm coming at them. But I just think it's unfair to say, like, hey, this this guy's decision was soft.

Then you have that guy on and you have Kevin Durant on and not state your opinion as it being soft and why you think it's soft, and allowing him during that time to dispute that, now what c J did. That that's he's not the only one, and it's really really hard, especially when he's just learning in this business. He's just starting out The podcast is called the pull Up Podcast, right, pull up, jump shot? Get it pull up.

But like, look, if you're going to go on to Twitter and called Kevin Durant's decision to join the Golden State Warrior soft, you got to say the same thing to Kevin Durant when it is in person. The amazing part about Katie joining the Golden State Warriors that no one outside of me has mentioned on national radio is that it wasn't just that k D needed the Warriors to win a championship. The Warriors needed Kevin Durant. We all point to seventy three wins, right, that's the big thing. Well,

he was on a seventy three win team. That seventy three win team did not win a championship, And that's seventy three win team probably should have lost to the Oklahoma City Thunder. That team was not as good as their record would tell you. It just wasn't case in point. They also were first team to ever lose the three games one lead in the NBA Finals. It's just like on that same podcast, the Portland Trailblazers were forty and

thirty three. They were the number three seed, the number three seed in the NBA playoffs, and Katie said, y'all played like an eighth seed. That's because their record was not indicative of just how good they were. Damian Lillard played above his level of second half of the year. He had an incredible year, and half the teams in the West were tanking. You comb find that with so many of the injuries, you know, Andre Robertson getting hurt. The trade the Jazz went through kind of mid season.

You know, we we have a tendency to you know, the trade the Clippers went through and they trade away Blake Griffith, the Lakers. When did you play the Lakers? Did you play the Lakers and the older players when they had Isaiah Thomas or when they went young late in the season. They were trying to win games, you know, so like, look, I your regular season record, and I understand seventy three wins had never been done before. You season record, though, has never been indicative of whether or

not you're a championship team. Case in Point Eastern Conference, who had the best record fifty nine wins the Toronto Raptors. They weren't the favorites to get to the NBA Finals. Neither were the Boston Celtics with fifty five wins or the Philadelphia seventy sixers with fifty two wins. So the first thing that we have to start with and talking about Kevin Durant is the Warriors needed him. They were

not a perfect team. They did win seventy three games, that's because they were a sixty sixty five win team that that went for it. They went for the jugular. They went for every last win when other teams have decided to shut it down. You sub about Harrison Barnes and most of their bench, you lost Andrew Bogan as well, and you end up adding Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant needed the Warriors, needed the space to show just how good a player he was. But the Warriors needed Kevin Durad equally.

Otherwise I'm not sure they win another championship. You can dispute that all you want, but you I would think Harrison Barnes would get better because you're so early in his career. But if you resigned Harrison Barnes, are you absolutely gonna win the last two championships? So two years ago, you're absolutely gonna win a championship. Like, I don't know that The answer is yes against Kyrie Irvan, Kevin Love, Lebron James, and that Calve team that they had lost

to the previous year. I would have liked to seen it now. Was Kevin Durant's decisions soft? You know? Yeah, everybody likes to claim this is like how everyone likes to claim that they grew up super poor. No one's ever grown up and said like, no, I really grew up comfortable. You you talk about how you grew up to somebody else, and it seems that every person on earth grew up barefoot, butt naked walking to school and

a foot of snow walking home from school. It was uphill both ways, right, No one ever grew up with money. That's like the same thing with the NBA. It's always got to be the toughest road. If you have a problem with what Kevin Durant did, that's fine, But you also should have a problem with what Lebron James did when he left and he went to Miami. That was Duane Wade and they added Chris Bosh and oh yeah, by the way, then later on they added Ray Allen

Like he joined a stacked team. Why wouldn't you join a stack team? And it will be fascinating to see how we react to Lebron this year with a team that's the opposite of stacked, a team that has a bunch of young pieces and kind of the isle of misfit toys on the bench. So I don't think it was about being soft or being tough. I think it's fake toughness to sit there and bash your head in. I honestly think he was ready for something new. I've said this all along. And he was also ready for space.

Space so that you couldn't double team him, so he could show that he was the best one on one scorer in the league, that he had an unstoppable weapon and that's his pull up jump shot. And you know what the last two NBA Finally he's proven to be ready all right. Last night in Las Vegas was uh the AU game. Really of the year. Is the champions of the Adida's Gauntlet Series and the champions of the E Y B Yell. It's a Nike series met up and Evan Daniels he has his own podcast. It's really good.

You can download it, will tweet it out. Uh, Fox Sports does it. Of course, Evan Dance called the Sidelines Evan Danns joined us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, Look, every year there is one of these titanic matchups. They used to be back in my day. They used to be for the championship of a tournament. That's not the way it works. What was the level of intensity for

this game as opposed to ones that actually decided tournament championships? Honestly, Doug, I thought it was one of the better played a you were, high school games that I've seen and really a long time. It was it was that Bishop Gore meaning it was pretty much nearly sold out, UM, and so there was a good crowd. But that they're the intensity between the two was it was pretty high level.

And we're talking about two UM programs that won a time this year you know at the contin Magic won both Fadda's July tournaments, UH team Takeover undefeated in the E y b L and then won the Nike Pete shamp So it's uh, it was it was a pretty

competitive affair. You know. I think I thought, here's the thing that I thought best last year was Zion Williamson against against Lonzo Ball, Right, that was the that was the big matchup but but part of it was the circus of the balls, whereas this was just about ball meaning basketball, right, this was just about two really good au teams made up of players are gonna be played college basketball. Some guys are risers, some guys have always been rated highly. More so than being about the circus,

this one was more about basketball. Is that is that fair? No, no question? And if you looked in the stands, that was pretty evident by the college coaches that were there. And you know, I talked to a lot of people that that were really impressed with the way that game went and the coaching in that game and the players. I mean, this was there. There was dudes on each team. I mean, I have a team takeover and comb the magic.

All those guys are gonna play at the least the major basketball And um that the coaching was really good. It was. It was a high level game. And I walked away really impressed with the Comple Magic big man, the Comble magicans and up winning by a couple in overtime. But they're post players. Really, we're the difference, I think. And then you know Jered Lucas, he just committed to play for my brother and and their staff at at Oregon State. Johnny Jusang is a really really good shooter. UM,

So who who helped themselves the most? You mentioned on CONGU course, who has been a been a riser? The Mobili? Of course, that's why SC hired their dad, like they've been well regarded. Is there any who else on that team benefited the most from this game and from their performance? UM is that. That's tough because most of those guys were already pretty highly touted. I walked away impressed with

Johnny Jusang. I think over the last year he shirt up his shot selection and he's become a more efficient player. I noticed the start of that at the U seventeen trials in mid June, and I thought in this game, Um, he took good shots. He made a number of three pointers, he hit a couple of mid range pull ups. I thought he was one of the difference makers and and

just his scoring and and shooting ability. U the other side, I mean to Taker had some guys that played really well, justin Morrik committed pabil Nova was really good as well. Jeremy Roach. I think what's the most impressive player for Takeover. He's a two point guard, actually the number one point guard in that class. Um, so both sides had some guys that certainly helped her stock. Yeah, you mentioned, um, you mentioned Justin Moore who's set to go to Villanova.

That's where he's committed to. Villanova. Is interesting and you cover the Big East and part of the Biggiest show on Fox Sports one. As they've done unbelievable job winning two or three national championships and we've seen Josh Hart winning the Summer League MVP. How well regarded they are. All four of those guys go in the first round of the NBA Draft, but there there's a lot of turnover there. Um, I know they're recruiting a little bit higher level. This is it's kind of interesting, like how

do they maintain their culture with so many new faces. Yeah, I mean I think that's gonna be um, that's gonna be a big factor. But I think obviously what we've seen from j right over the last couple of years, I think he's uh, he's certainly fit to handle that. They're bringing in a really good class from two thousand eighteen and two dozen nineteen. They've got a top fifty two, top seventy type guys Justin Moore and Eric Dickerson, Eric Dixon.

But that two thousand eighteen Hall is really good. Javantquin Early a five star guys, so crafty and creative. I think he comes right in and and you're not gonna be able to replace Jalen Brunson. But I think he fits how Villanova wants to play. He's got such a good feel for the game. He can set guys up. I think he'll come in and make an instant impact, and guys like Brandon Slater and Cole Swider will help them out on the perimeters. Later is a big time

score at six six. He's got long arms. Uh, he can make shots. He's athletic. I mean, they're they're obviously lost a lot and most of those guys you're not gonna be able to replace Doug as you know, but they're bringing in a good recruiting class with solid players. Um that really fit in Villanova. All right, Let's let's go through a couple of the two thousand nineteens. Okay, there's a rising seniors. He's Cole Anthony the best player in that class. No, I think James Wiseman is the best. Well,

it could be the best player. I think James Wiseman is the best prospect, and when you go out our to our rankings, that's what we're u and and by any Evan real quick Evan. By by prospect you mean NBA prospect or college, but because because because it's very interesting in prospect more so than more, I think he's I think he's the best long term prospect. I mean he's pushing seven feats, got a seven six wings fan, He's mobile, he impacts the game on both ends of

the court. He's really developing his offensive skill set. Unfortunately, he's been banged up, and he would have been on that use seven teen team that won a gold medal, but he got hurt and he's really played July kind I'm kind of banged up as well. But I don't get me wrong. I think conthing is great. We have number two, UM six three explosive athlete, as competitive as you'll you'll find. I mean that this kid gets after

it on both ends of the court as well. I think he's more of a combo than he is an actual point right now. His mentality is always the score. So if I had a knock on him, it would be you know, go create for brothers and and and he's him as well. He needs to share up his shock selection a little um as well. But he's obviously very very gifted, very talented, can really score, and he's a high level athlete. Am I crazy think? Jene McDaniels

another another top five guy. You know, he's he's from Washington. That's the kind of guy that Mike Hopkins has to get. Right. The whole thing in Seattle is if you keep the Seattle kids home in Seattle's up. Now you've got a chance to win the league. Now you got a chance to build something special. Hop did a really good job in his first year, especially considering the turnover within the program. But doesn't McDaniels become one of those guys that he

almost has to get? Yeah, Jade McDaniels is a priority to recruit for sure. Um, I think it's a tough task, not only because he's the uh, you know, elite recruit that I think Blue Bloods are starting to sniff around with. There's a relationship with San Diego State that goes way back with his brother being there. But you're right, I mean, Mike Hopkins and his staff have to prioritize him. They you know, he's the type of guy that could really

help them shift that program quickly. And he's and we're talking about best players in the class and this kid three or four years from now, we're gonna be looking back and it's special because he's he's he's made a major leap from where he was this time last year to now, and his skill set is continuing to develop. He's becoming more confident, he's shooting the ball better, he's

just making aboutments across the board. Uh. It feels like Terrise Maxie is taking his game to a higher level this summer, whether it's a Team USA or playing a U basketball And he feels like he's that's the type of guy that Kentucky builds an entire recruiting class round though, because because of his style. Apply Ah, he certainly fits that. Yes, Um, I think that What I like about Tyrese is he's versatile.

You can play him as a two guard, you can play him in a combo role, you can put the ball in his hands and he can go create for others. I mean, his biggest strength is his ability to score. He does that, um really well. He can get to the rim and take contact and finish. He can create shocks for himself, pull up from mid range, he can make off the catch threes. I think that's an area he could still improve. But he's just wired up to

get uh. Nico Mannion as a kid who he could have been two thousand twenty instead of you know, I think last week and then he's gonna graduate this year a talented point guard from you know, Pinnacle in Arizona. There's lots of talk that he could be the guy that Sean Miller kind as he tries to rebuild his program rebuilds a guy like Nico Mannion. What's your sense? I know it's it's still really early in these things now, especially with the elite recruits. A lot of these guys

are deciding late. What's your sens on Nicomanion? I know why he moved up his data graduation and graduated eighteens in a nineteen and it's not gonna hurt him in any way. Um, but is this is this to go to Arizona or something else that play? I think there's a good chance he could go there. I mean, I think it's vim and Duke Villanova is also in the mix. And Jay Right. I was out in l A last Sunday to see him. Um. But Arizona has done a really good job for a long time recruiting him. They've

made him a priority. I don't know that Sean Miller has missed many of his games. He was at the same event l A on Sunday. Um Uh, they've They've just been after him for so long. I think it would be pretty deflating for Sean Miller and his staff if they missed out on him, because I think they have been the favorite. But anytime Duke comes uh sniffing around and jump into the recruitment, it's dangerous. They've still

got to close it out. Okay, so let me ask you. Okay, So there's Cole Anthony and I know that that his dad obviously is close with Coach K. There's talk of Cole Anthony and Duke. Um can they would they both go there? And then I guess the second part to that is, uh, Look, Jeff Capel did a great job of spearheading a lot of their recruiting. I know Coach

K still there. They have a really young, active quality staff, but it's different when Capel's not their first year sense of could Manion and Anthony both go to Duke and then has Duke's recruiting will to change at all without Jeff Capel. Well, here's the thing. Cole Anthony has made it clear that he's not making his college choice for a long time. So this is the worst point guard

class I think I've ever evaluated. It might be the worst overall class I've ever evaluated put point guards especially. It's bad. So you can't afford to wait around for Cole ptil May. You've got to go out and get a get one of these big time guys. Um and if maybe you can, you know, talk him into playing with with the other guy, you get great. But uh, I just think that you can't really wait around. Um So, I think Duke's going to or has started to prioritize

nik o'mannon. Would they love to have Cole Anthony? I think they definitely would love to have Cole Anthony. With those two co exist in the same backward I don't know the answer to that. Um So, Yeah, I think that's an interesting scenario to see how it all plays out. And obviously you mentioned Jeff Capel. Anytime you lose a guy of that caliber, that was so good at building relationships and um brought a lot of really good recruits

to the table. I think it's a it's a loss. Obviously, Chris Carroroll was was hired in his place, and you know Nate James was a guy that went out and got Zian Williamson last year. John Shire has has been the appointment on a guy like Jayson Tatum. So it's not like these other guys haven't gotten players. Um. But like I said, anytime you lose somebody at caliber of Jeff Capel at hurt, I know you want to go back,

duck back into the gym mass you really quickly. Zion Williamson's like a YouTube sensation, right, a dunking machine, but he's a little bit heavy. Um. I mean I think I think at his best he'll be he's got a chance to be an undersized uh kind of athletic four. But you really got to shoot and guard in order to do that. And the one thing about coach k is you know they away the white flag and they

played zone last year. What's your sense of of what you think we'll see from Zion Williamson they play for Duke next season, Well, I think we're going to see the electric athlete. I think we're going to see a guy that actually has a pretty good feel feel for the game and can really pass um. I think when motivated, he's a really good rebounder. I think one of the things that that caused me to take a step back to them last year was he didn't always play hard

and he was rarely ever in great shape. I think the thing that we're going to see from him at Duke is one They're gonna get him in shape. Uh and too. I'm curious to see what kind of effort he gives forth on the court. And he was known for those dunks, um and the highlights and transition. Uh, there's some other stuff there In terms of this passing, I think he does that at a pretty uh at a pretty good level. But he's gonna have to improve his jump shot and uh last viewing in high school,

it was a ways away. Having Anniels check out his podcast called the Sidelines with Evan Daniels Fox Sports, Fox Sports dot Com. Of course a great way to pick on just fall him on Twitter. He's got all the information. Get back in the gym, get back covering those games, plus Team USA. Thanks for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me on, Doug. I appreciate it. Man. Alright, let's let's continue that conversation about Prep hoops and kind of

the Lebron takeover. I think it's gonna be fascinating. Guy who more than thirty years has covered Southern California AU basketball. You know, it's the college scene, frankly as the NBA scene just really knows as a great feel for the game. You gotta prep hoops dot Com or fall them on Twitter at Joel fran Hoops. Joel Francisco joins us here

in the All Ball podcast. Uh look, you're the perfect guy for this because we've seen we've seen the Ball family, but we've seen and maybe that was kind of the first of its kind. We've seen other big AU teams. You go back to, you know, before me, even when uh Rich Goldberg would have his team's mid Valley a r C. They fly guys in and you know, Jason Kidd would suddenly be playing with Southern California players and the Tracy McGrady Derek Martin days and then is He

Washington had his Slam and Jam teams. But Lebron James coming to Southern California with two teenage boys. It feels like that's gonna forever change the dynamic of AU basketball. Am I overselling it? No? I completely I completely agree. I believe that we've got a taste of it with the Ball family. You know, I had never in the thirty years of covering this from when I started doing with Tracy Murray and the following that he had all the way through you know, these last thirty years, and

I've never seen anything like the Ball situation. You know, going to gyms, it was a circus. And then what happened last night, you know with Lebron coming in the gym, and I would figure, like, you know, have some hindsight and the fact that okay, here comes Lebron Junior. We have social media. The gym was packed and they had it in the small auxiliary jam and I guess of some fan came in started ripping Lebron and it just turned into like a mini melee and then they canceled

the game. And it's like, what are they going to do in the future here, you know, like if he decides to go to Sierra Canyon Brentwood High School. You know, I'm really intrigued to see, you know, from a safety standpoint, you know what is going to happen with something, and for that matter, it's it's fascinating because there's a lot of parts of Lebron which are really interesting. He's done things, he's cleared his own path, most of which I like,

some of I don't. You can. It's in arguable though that in terms of being an involved parent, especially in comparison to you know, Larry Bird never had a young boy in au Michael Jordan had two kids, but he was we don't remember him ever kind of being around. I called a couple of their high school games and he was he was never around. Like he's actually an involved parent. He actually uh you know, he knows the

other kids names. He interacts with the team occasionally, he helps coach like it is something and but thing is that not only do you have that, but then you have the hey, how are you going to keep a kid on your team? If Brawnie says, hey, Dad, I want him on my team, they decided they want to and Lebron James picks the phone says, hey, do you want to play with my son? I know, yeah, By the way, you're gonna get all the Lebron gear you want. Like, no one's gonna say no to that, are they? Oh? No,

I would think not. I mean him coming to l A is going to completely you know, I mean we could see another level of I mean we're gonna see something different than the balls here. But yeah, I mean, you know the way kids transfer nowadays, it's it's ridiculous. You know, like c IF said something like sixteen thousand kids transferred. That was even last year, multiple sports. But now with Braun coming in and you know how he manages his own NBA teams, Yeah, you could see him.

You could see you could start crazy these you know, all Star AU teams and you know wherever school is, Sun ends up at, you know where he's gonna be pulling kids from everywhere. Maybe. Yeah, you mentioned all the transfers in the CIF, and I know this happens everywhere. As a national podcast, I think people are sitting there on their heads and saying, yeah, we have lots of problems with kids. Uh, it's kind of on steroids here

in southern California. Do you think the player movement in the NBA is the cause of the player movement in a U? In high school? Basketball, or do you think it's the other way around where kids are always moving around a U in high school and now they become pros and now so they don't get they don't get as tied to a place or two a team as they used to which which which is the which is the chicken and which is the egg? Um, I would

say the ladder. I would think since these kids now um are playing against each other and they all know each other now, then's probably what he's mad. Or teams where they're playing in these national based tournaments, they're becoming friends and they keep these connections going. They're never in college enough to create rivalries, so they just go from this a U team sprinkling for the n b A and they and like Lavon forming his team in Miami

and then and it's just escalated from there. And so I just I really believe it started with with club basketball at a basketball wherever you want to call it, with these guys that have become known that you know, they've known each other for so long and they become friends and they developed these friend steps and now you have thout the media and it's created a perfect storm.

What's your sense of what's going to happen. I know that many people in your professional and you, I think you tweet out something which is great, which is like, hey, the new rules potentially could still have the tournaments, just the coaches wouldn't be allowed the tournaments, which would be great for you as a professional evaluator that people respect for more than thirty years. Like, just because coach K can't sit there and have his assistance bird dog a kid,

doesn't mean that you can't evaluate him. Um. What's your any guests as to what what the rules end up being for the future of the July recruiting period? Um? What I can see somebody mention that, let's say the biggest one that each of them would moves to August or something. I said, Well, that would be impossible for my take because so many schools now including in southern

California were starting school in August. So I could see a lot of these tournaments moving to June while the Insuay has their camps whatever in July and have for you know, the valuahere like me, the best of both work and this is all that June and then it's a live And I felt the number one thing for me that I've had it with um, you know, restricting coaches from coming out. I feel, for me is the

most important month. I would rather watch the kids play for me personally with his high school team, see how he leads, see how he carries his team. You know, I feel like that's I think I can get a greater sense of who this kid is rather than seeing, you know, in these multiopol club games you see in July. Yeah, you bring up a great point. You know, my brothers, you know, is recruited at all the different levels, mostly in California, and then of course we're can stay for

the last four years. And I don't I actually think they're working in the opposite way of the of the way they should. You should have assistance that are allowed to go out as often as they want, right, just go out. And and if your job is to evaluate and recruited kid, why are we putting limits on it.

I mean, the fact is that I understand. My dad used to tell the stories of of him, you know, sleeping over at a kid's house that they were trying and sitting on, sitting on a kid that they have, Like, okay, that's a little bit overboard, but it's like limiting texts. It's like when you couldn't text a kid, Like, look, if a kid doesn't want doesn't want you to text him,

he'll just block you or he'll just delete it. If a kid does, if he gets creeped out by a guy keep coming to his game, he'll just you'll end up wearing the kid out and he'll it'll turn him off. I just let us let recruiting assistance do their job. You want to restrict head coaches so they're on campus more, if you want to make sure that there's always a coach on campus, like, that's fine, but this idea that somehow you're protecting assistant coaches. All right, maybe August is dark,

nobody can see, anybody knows. But outside of that, isn't it fair to say, like, hey, just let him recruit, don't pay your players, don't change their grades, and kind of the rest uh just almost a free market sort of recruiting system. Yeah, I agree with that too, and the fact that I believe that that we implement some system like that will cut back on the multiple you know, the ridiculous numbers are seeing in kids that are going

to schools. They're being overrecruited and they end up bouncing back to various other schools, you know, through a lower level because in hindsight, these coaches don't have a great feel, you know, for who they're recruiting. I mean, they get such a limited time. There's some games going on until Joel am I crazy. But I've always thought, you know, we talked about transfers and the reason that players transfer. We always believe it's because the kid wants more, the

parent wants more, and and that's some of it. But but a good portion of it is the coach doesn't exactly know what he's getting and the player doesn't exactly have a great feel of what he's getting into because there because we're limiting the relationship and the length and the quality of the relationship between who's recruiting and who's being recruited. Is that is that a fair? Like? I know, that's that's absolutely fair. And the thing is, when I talked at two kids at camps, I say, hey, you,

I think what they missed the point? And I think parents, you get caught up in the highest level and it's like you need to find the best bit for your kid. That's the bottom line, And here's the kid that's getting recruited let's say at lm U Pepperdine or whatever. And then he goes off in one game and washing and ss to the picture. Well I'm going to go to Washington now, you know, instead of saying no way, the Pepperdine system fits me better, it's you know, as that's

the kind of situation that get fallen into a right. Uh, you've seen a lot of kids for a lot of years. Give me the most the kid you've seen this uh this spring and summer, that's most impressive to you? Most impressive player. Um, I probably have to go out west. Um, here's a guy that it's Evan Mowbley, is older brother. Isam always going to u SC that the US. He hired the dad recently in the spring. Evan mobile for me. Um,

he's a kid. He's basically a combination. I'm not saying he's the next Durrant or Garnett type, but he's kind of a combination of the two in terms of he's got perimitive skills. He's got I saw Kevin Ronnett in high school. He's as quick off the floor, he's got in between games, he's got he's got the whole package. This is going to be a matter of strength in terms of him going forward. But I would be stocked. He's not NBA player down the road two or three

years ago. Cash to Stanley was that young player coming up into high school basketball that everyone was talking about. He's still very very well regarded, but but but not nearly at the level that he was previously. You know, he's top twenty to top thirty, maybe top forty nationally. What type of impact do you think cash you Stanley? Who is that Syrican in which one of the school big private schools in southern California. He was originally a Harvard West like hey Way that we were talking about

earlier for people were out of the area. What what happened to Kasha Stanley and what type of impact do you think will have when he ultimately plays in college? Well, I mean, for me, Cashi's family is going to have um I think when you see him in the club situation, in a wide open game, he's an NBA athlete, There's no question about that. But for me, you know, for someone that we're doing a long time, and I'm sure you would get the same feel for him if you

watch them actually in the game. He has improved, but there's not something he could totally depend on in a game when it slows down. His jump shot is still needs to get more consistent. Is decision making? You know, as every attention all of these can be a point guard because everybody needs to be a point guard now. And I'm sorry you played the position. It takes a certain feel for the game. Could be that to play

that player. And so I think now so if someone just allowing him to be a two guard and work on that skill set, then I think he could be a very good college player. And I'm probably a pro. But right now, for me, he's got some areas he really needs to grow in. It's it's gonna be fascinating to see if he does go because it was it was a little bit too much, uh too soon. There's a big guy in southern California. I would I would love to have your opinion on kid named Carl Lewis

at Linwood High School. Six put up some big numbers this year, but you know, like, look, we're in the age of the big man that doesn't score at the low block. We're in the age of you've got to be a roller and a finisher at the rim and a rim protector or a stretch five. What's the prospects like for a kid like Carl Lewis who's a rising jr. UM. What you know, Carl Lewis, he has some stuff off the court that needs to be taken care of. Um, He's he's got a long way to go in terms

of becoming a bassal player. Yes, he's built like Karl Malone and but in terms of you know, it's skill fundamental, Um, he hasn't spent a lot of time. You know, he's done a lot of this stuff going on, put it bluntly and put it violay. In fact that I don't think he's really had a lot of time to work on those aspects of the game. So for me, massively rated.

He's one of these guys that you know, played at lim Win High School, didn't play against you know, the greatest competition In terms episode, there was no one that can handle him. But so there's certain areas in his game that he really needs UH to take care of, as well as some other aspects of his wife, but come together before if he's able to play college. In my opinion, that's great, great feedback from Joel Francisco has been doing this over thirty years. Is a great job

in southern California. Follow him on Twitter. You got to prep hoops. You got to prep hoops dot com. Last thing I want to ask you about Kawhi Leonard because he look, he was Gateorade Player of the Year, but he played MLK in out in Riverside. He was a six five six six postman who has become you know, a top five by many people's accounts, third best player in the NBA. And because he's super super quiet, we

don't know what to make of him. What's what's your assessment as a guy who saw him at his his infancy as a player, grow into a star at San Diego State, a superstar in the NBA, and now trying to we think, manipulate his way back to Los Angeles. What's your assessment of kind of the situation, how he's handled and what the ultimate end game is um You know, watching Kauai in high school, you don't. And to be honest, you I never thought he'd reached the level that he's

at right now. I thought he's I thought he was a high major recruit, you know, top fifty national propects because length, he's got the biggest hands. But you know something, he's always been a no nonsense player, no emotion and just go out there and I'm gonna be productive and do my job at both ends of the floor. However, this year, what's the story that I've heard, I become skeptical, you know about okay, where in fact is and I

don't want to know. Character, you know, character assassinates this guy. But I heard he was able to play and he chose not to play, And so that for me, that brings up red flags with directions who's handling his situations? Now, this is not the same kid that I talked to in high school and you know, got to know true the ac and all that stuff. So I'm kind of curious to see, really intrigued to see how he does in the Toronto this year and really watch his approach

to the game. And because we all know what he can do on the basketball or I mean arguably what the best maybe the best way player in the game today. So I'm very intrigued to see what he goes this year at Toronto. What about it? What about Dorozen? Like I do feel like de Rosen somehow and he was bad in in the playoff series against UM against Lebron Javelers, he just he wasn't good. He was fantastic in their in their first round series, fantastic. I saw him at

the Garden. This is two years ago, Drop thirty nine the Garden. I was like, damn, Demard Rosen. It is a but he is the closest. He's got a Kobe style of offensive game. Um, it's just you know, now there's so much the three point shot is so much more important. How do you think his personality will mesh

with Gregg Popovich? Well, it's gonna be um. Um. To be honest with you, I'm excited for him, you know, um being in that system because another kind of like in a way Kauai where he's quiet, not you know, he's not real that assertive personality out there, but he just goes about his business, takes care it. So really I treat to see how he fits into pop system. Um. I think he's going to become you know, it's continued

to be his efficient self. But like you said, the key to his game is which it really hasn't come as his three point shot. And he's been very good in the mid range area that you're like, he said, it's the mid range shot. Is it usable as it was you know, ten fifteen years ago. So I'm really impreued to see how he takes in the pop system. I think he's gonna be fine because I think he's a good kid, and I think he wants to you know,

wants to be taught, and I think it's uh. I think it's gonna be turned off to be a good situation for I do too. It's weird though that LaMarcus Aldrich is a midpost in the low post kind of turnaround jump shots score and then you got to Mark

Rosen was great in the mid range. Like that goes counter to everything in two eighteen that the Scots are kind of ahead of the curve on, but that's what they're gonna have to live with, so it'd be it'll be fasting to see and then you know, it's it's it's interesting, you know, I think about Tracy Murray and and the volume of threes he shot when you first started this business and what he would be now, how valuable weapon now he would have to guard better than

he did then now in order to stay on the floor. But it is. It's amazing how even when I came up in the mid nineties, we used to criticize big guys, stop shooting jump shots and get inside and scored the low block, right and everyone and we did, and and point guards were told, you know, stop, don't you pull up threes, get into that mid range pull up game. And now, of course that's disappeared because of analytics and the realization that it's smarter to play the other way.

It's got to be fast for you to have to evaluate guys in the in the ever evolving game of basketball. Oh yeah, I mean it was really interesting. You know, you austragonis uh, you know who he is, uh, In terms of running all these camps. He's one of the eight you grewers out for a lot last thirty years. He had a Pengas All American camp and in June, and there was a plethora of guys in the six eight, six nine range. And these guys are falling up and

and jack and threes and their shot looks good. It's almost like, you know, with Lebron. I saw Lebron uh freshman software in high school, and he just knew he was different. He was kind of a little bit of Magic, a little bit of Michael and you know, built like a calling, but he wasn't built like carm alone until now. But when you watch Kevin Durant, I see these these these kids are seeing these types of stars and they're implementing those schools for those skills early on in their game.

And now we're just seeing this game trunch transformed into this you know, free and e. But you know something that on old school, Um, I'd like to point how he still passed to facilitates like you did in high school. And I'm still I'm mu, still the big guy getting you get your button posts, you know, to be a rin protector, you know, fill the lane. And I I'm still saying of the bid range game, I think that's

key for me. That's gonna be key for Alonso. You know, Alonzo struggled in the paint area, and if he can just implement that and get back going and get stronger, his game is going to go to a different level. And I think that one was bringing out his shots better too, in the marketsistent manner. So I mean, I think the mid range game and I still think guys could still play in the back, you know, with the basta baskets come to maybe I'm to gold school. No,

I don't, I don't know. I honestly don't think you're wrong. I mean, look at look at the NBA Finals, look at or look at look at the Golden State Warriors, Like, look, do they shoot a ton of three? Is absolutely when they needed a bucket, they got the ball to Kevin Durant either in the post or a lot of people mid range jump shots. You know, like if if if the best of the best can make seventy percent of those,

that you still take it. And I do think that I think the Lebron's done or what he's had to do. You know, he's been more effective when he's had his back to the basket and he can pass. You know, that's where do you think about the Olympics teams, That's where Ski Lebron at the high post and the facilitated you know, using his passing acumen. So I mean, I know,

I still well, look, I'm fascinated. I mean basketball, it's not that basketball has lacked energy in the West Coast, but with the Lakers potentially being good um and with you know, Lebron and his son bringing attention to AU basketball. There's been a ton of talent here obviously with the private schools out there recruiting. I think now it'll be hyped up and it'll be great for your job, be great for us as well. Joel Francisco Falm on Twitter at Joel fran Hoops, go to prep hoops dot com.

He's been a basketball scout for over thirty years. He's the SoCal UH scouting coordinator for ESPN. He does an amazing job. Joel, thanks so much for joining us here on the All Ball Podcast. Appreciate it, Appreciate a lot, have a good one. There's just kind of a sense of that's what July is about. I mentioned Kaui earlier. He's not participating, he's not playing, and he's saying, well, I need to transition to Toronto. And I just look, I think Toronto did well in the trade I do.

I mean, if you substitute out to Mark Rosen, who I like more than other people like, but you put Kawhi Leonard in there and they got a legit shot, make one last push in the East. If not, scrap it, start again. Um, but what's you know? Greg Popovitch has done nothing but take the high road. It's not like they're gonna grind you into the ground when you're playing in Vegas, you haven't played all year. I kind of feel like he needs that um. But Kawhi Leonard is

he's beating to his own drum. And for a guy who has earned, not been given, earned so much respect in NBA circles for playing both ends, steadily improving his jump shot, which was he was not a guard, he was a center coming up, and the big questions were, um, could he ever, you know, be a decent three point shooter? And he's become a very good and a good ball handler. He's just he's undone some of the great things, some of the some of the respect that he's gained, it's

easy to get. It's not hard to gain it back. You get on the floor, you start playing for for Toronto, you play the right way, even if you want to make your way to the Lakers next year. But I just want I'm okay with guys not playing for Pop who played the whole year, you know, and or played for USA Basketball in the past. But when you're one of the best players in the game, you want to play nine games this year and you should be fully healthy.

You pass the physical, go and play, go and play, be the try and take the high road the way Greg Pop fits just taken the high road. I don't think that's a great look. Um. Last thing in regards to the NBA, you saw this with Karmelo Anthony who said, you know, basically it was a bad fit in Olaoma City because he didn't have enough time. All he had was training camp in the season. Like what more do you need more than training camp in the season? How

much more time? Like is there some boardroom? Yeah? It was there, hoodie mellow workouts that could have that you could have transitioned better to Oklahoma City. I'm I respect Carmelo Anthony because he was the best three level score in the NBA for a good seven or eight years. He was an amazing offensive player, but he didn't keep himself consistently good enough shape. He wasn't a good teammate. And more than anything, you know, as you mature, as you get to be an adult, I've said this, there's

three things that adults do the kids don't do. Adults never turned down a nap, right, adults will order vegetables. An adults point in when something goes wrong, they say, my bad, I made a mistake. Carmelo Anthony has never said, you know, look that didn't work in Oklahoma City, and it's my fault. I didn't buy in defensively. I struggled to buy it offensively. You know, I wasn't willing to come off the bench. That's my bad. Even if even

if it it wasn't all his fault. Taking more blame then you should is the smarter path than the more mature path. But we've created he's becoming like an Allen Iverson where his his NBA career maybe over sooner than it should because of his inability to find a Carmelo Anthony two point oh. And then as far as the Kevin Durant tweets with CJ McCollum, we talked to him a little bit earlier. Uh Kevin Durant hash He was quote earlier today as saying, let me pull up this quote,

kind a fascinating quote from from Kevin Durant. He he said, here's the quote to Anthony Slader. I know you think I'm sensitive, but I'm but just somebody who's tired of holding ship in So apparently Kevin Durant he's mad as hell and he's not taken anymore. And now when people talk trash to him, he's just gonna let it, let it,

which is great, like we want dudes with no filter. Uh. The problem is a lot of the things he's saying are going counter to either one things he's done in the past and to the way he's handled himself like he did have a he did have burner accounts in which he defended himself. In the past, he did he was the guy who said, oh, everybody wants to go to Nixon the Lakers. He didn't agree with that in

the past, and now he goes to the Warriors. And it's it's really interesting some guys, the social media thing. People don't rely to your tweets the way that you think when you press sent, you may think you're joking. You may even do hashtag sarcasm, and it doesn't I'm as guilty of that as anybody. But the Kevin Durant thing is fascinating. He's kind of finding his way as he goes. Meanwhile, he's a two time NBA Finals m v P who's fighting with other NBA players or just

random dudes on Twitter. Is one of the most NBA two thousand eighteen things I've ever heard of. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. All right, we'll talk more. NBA will wrap up the July recruiting period. Also talk some USA basketball next week on the All Ball Podcast. Thanks so much for listening. Make sure you tell your friends, download, subscribe, download and rate it. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Listen to the radio show daily twelve to three Pacific time, three to six Eastern time. This is all by