Defending the current college transfer rules and KD's recent comments; Why Melo won't be a Laker; Guest: College hoops insider Jeff Goodman

mess that's made of college basketball. Listen, I fully understand and respect that. Um, there's a sense from fans that college basketball is just kind of a way station to get to the NBA, and on some levels it is. Look, I'm not gonna lie to you and sit here and tell you when I came out of high school, I didn't think ultimately I'd have a shot to play in the NBA the league. I just want to get the league,

want to get the league. The reality of it is the numbers, UM bear out to where it's really hard to get to the league. Now, it's not necessarily difficult to play professional basketball to make a living. I mean,

it's difficult, but it's not like impossible. But to make it in the NBA, it's next to impossible in terms of the numbers, right, three fifty some odd Division one schools, almost all of which offer a scholarship or even the IVY League now offers financial assistance completely covering things up to what grand a year if your parents make up to seventy five grand a year. So um, let's say there's three forty five schools that offer even three fifty

that offer, you know, thirteen scholarships a piece. Meanwhile, there's four fifty NBA jobs total total, and even if you expand that when you're talking about the G League and whatever. Look, there's as we're talking, one percent of the college basketball players, right one one, that's what we're talking about. So um, those numbers are it adds up to being really really hard.

It's just hard. Thirty first round draft picks, five of which usually come from overseas, guys are fighting over twenty five locked in jobs, and even those jobs don't have great long term security. So I know that there's this Hey, you know, college basketball players, they're just crushing it for their schools. The college basketball programs don't make that much money for their schools. They just don't. Their TV deals don't.

The the n c A tournament does um and they are that money gets redistributed to n c A schools, and of course they spread that out not just to basketball but to all other sports. But the reality of it is college basketball programs generally don't make a ton of money for their schools. Are they keeping their head above water? Yes? Are they're making money? Sure, most of them are, especially the good ones really really are, But

it pales the comparison to football. And the the interesting part about it is you actually get to know the basketball players more than you get to know the football players. Right, Like, ask yourself right now, how many college basketball faces and names do you know? Now? Do the same thing for college football? And yet college football makes a ton more money, not just because the stadiums, but the the value of having those games on TV, because the ratings are exponentially higher.

But whether it's football or it's basketball, anybody in the sport knows this, knows this, and they may not say it in front of a microphone, but they'll say it to everybody off Mike. Which is the transferring thing is a problem. It's a huge problem, and we can we can say, well, you know, coaches shouldn't hold players hostage. Most coaches don't hold you hostage. They may want you to grow and mature and have an ultimate plan in

place for you to win your your job. But if you're not as good as they would have thought, they probably don't want you to hang around. They're not holding you hostage. On the other hand, no one has any patience, any patients at all towards sitting and waiting. Now full disclosure, Okay, this is just me being honest. I wasn't going to a school where I was going to sit. I just I wasn't. I remember my Montgomery called me from Stanford, and um, his basic spiel was like, look, this is

the best school on earth. We got great players, we got great guys. We're gonna win. We're complaining the NSCA de tournament. You're gonna back up Brevin Knight for two years, and then you would be your job to start for two years. You could play with Brevin Knights some, but you're mostly going to be a backup. You know, you'll play ten to twenty minutes, maybe sometimes over twenty minutes in a game and then when he's gone, you'll play over thirty thirty minutes and be our starting point guard.

I just I wasn't into it, and so I said thanks, but no thanks. They moved on. They signed art lye artly ends up leading to them to a Final four. This true story. Why did I go to you know what, why'd I go to to Notre Dame Because they had add more white there and I was told like, hey, you're better than that or white. You're going to start your freshman year. We're gonna be first year in the Big East. And it took me four games and ultimately I became the starting point guard Notre Dame. And even

then I was frustrated. Right I was the first date. I had to wait four games. Um, in hindsight, I probably didn't earn it in practice. Now, part of it was how we practiced. Part of it was my lack of experience in playing what I would call real basketball. But so I understand the lack of patients that scholar athletes have. When they signed in college. They signed thinking they're going to go and be stars. And some of it, some of it is the sale that's made by the coaches.

Some of it is some of some of the some of them are promises that are not kept, but some of it also is the hey, man, it's going to work in the end. You know it's going to work out for you in the end. You're just gonna have to trust the process a little bit. The crazy thing about how we've gone in college sports as we went from being so overwhelming league pro university in our rules, so now it's the exact opposite. Now we're ridiculously pro

athlete ridiculously. The guys that benefit most from the current transfer rules are guys that transfer out before the end of their first year. Right, you go to a place and you stay for eight nine games, and then you're like, I'm out this saying what I signed up for. And sometimes you do coaches a favor, but oftentimes they sit there and go like, this is we can't go on the waiver wire and pick a guy up. If we pick up a transfer, you know, nine games and he

has the city year. If you say you're coming for a year, you're coming for a year. You don't have to guarantee us you're gonna stay for the rest of your life and stay on campus for fifteen years and get a doctorate. But if you stay, you're coming for a year. Guys that leave after the first semester, after the first year, they benefit the most because now they can go to a second school, red shirt, improve play, graduate and transferred to a third school. And it's just

And the thing about transferring is this and this. No one will tell you this except for me and people being real. Once you leave a school kind of done there. You just are like I have great friends for my time and notre Dame. Frand McCaffrey recruited me. Um, he is a dear, dear friend. If he needed anything, I would go there if I needed anything. And I called on him and you know, I interviewed for college coaching job.

The guy who gave me the who gave me just talk to me for hours on end with Frank McCaffrey because he totally knows me, I mean, recruited me every day when I was in Southern California. Knows me as a human being, knows me in terms of my my what my basketball vision is. Knew my father so well, m Ryan Hoover, who was my two guard, Pat Garritty, who is our starting power for Like those guys are Antony wish she was in my freshman recruiting class. These

guys are near, very dear to my heart friends. And yet and then some of it is I got in trouble and Notre Dame, and that's why I had to leave. But a lot of it is when you leave, you're kind of done there. And and I think that's the interesting part that no one says about these grad transfers. You have guys that go to a place for you know, I don't blame Matt Mooney, right, he has a nice career in South Dakota, he graduates, he transfers, he goes to Texas Tech. Now I get the chance to play

for Chris Beard. But you're not really a Texas Tech guy, and you're not really a South Dakota guy anymore. But it also makes it so it's it's incredibly hard to watch. Look, I've covered this sport for fifteen This is my sixteenth

season of doing anything covering college basketball. Sixteen years. It is ridiculously difficult to go Okay, wait, um, he played here, then played here, then played like I'm still It takes it takes me, as a broadcaster, about a month prepare for the season and then even once the season starts to still Oh yeah, Brandon Clark, he was at San Jose State, I remember, but that sucks for Prelu when he got the job and he lost Brandon Clark and now he's a star at at Gonzaga, right like it

takes a while for me to remember where guys are you know who else? It takes a while fans. It makes it harder to coach, but more importantly makes it harder to root for. And among the things that hurt the college basketball regular season, because that's one of the arguments that excuses made for college football not having a playoff is, Hey, we don't want our college see we don't want our season to be like college basketball season. Well, is it fair that there are too many games on TV? Yes?

Is it fair that you can finish below five hundred in your conference? And fair to say that finishing below five hundred in your conference, um doesn't signify having a great year. You shouldn't play in the n c A Tournament. But teams consistently have yes, And that obviously helps the football argument of hey, we want our seasons and our our conference play the matter. That's that's fair, But one

of the missing parts of it. Is. The thing about college basketball that's been different from NBA basketball is um is how close the students and the fans can get to the floor, like you feel like you're all kind of part of the thing, right. In addition to the guys are tied to their universities, and we do this. We we do it on on two or three different levels. Right when a when a player transfers out, we want to fans and some media members want to make it

so that guys can play right away. We do these things that actually encourages player movement and encourages players to leave or to go pro. That that that actually make it so that players respond in a way in which makes it more likely that they're gonna go pro or they're gonna transfer out. Perry Ellen stays four years in Kansas, and look, some of it was his hairline. But we make fun of it and say he's been there forever, right, I mean, I'm as guilty of it as anybody. We

did it with Grayson Allen. How long has Grayson Allen been there? Oh, he's been you know. And it's not a bad thing to stay in school for four years. It's just not um Additionally, you know when guys don't go pro after their first year, we act like there's something wrong with them, you know, like how, somehow there's something off there. Carson Edwards is a perfect example of why you don't go pro and everybody thinks you should

go pro. He had a great year last year. Now everything they do at Perdue is for him, and he's developed enough where he can accept that role and he's gonna average over twenty a game and the Big ten might well be Big ten player that you'll definitely be first team All Big Ten. But because the draft pool is slimmer this year than it was last year, a guy who's really an off the guard, off the bench guard you can come in and score, might sneak into

the first round this year. But we make it out like, well, you know, you somehow weren't good enough, you're somehow not worthy, and if you don't leave as a one and done, well, you're never really going to be an NBA player. That's just not true. That's not true. You know that this idea of guys that are pros look Brent Forbes made himself into approach. If we pointed out he transferred up a level right, But Brent Forbes has made himself into a starting NBA two guard. That's a pretty amazing story.

I just we have gotten to this point where we're so pro player, so pro player, you should have to sit out. We mean, let me just state this really quickly. If you transfer and you have a sick mom or sick dad, or sick grandparents, or you're just like super homesick and you want to make something up, if you really really really need to get close to home because of an un foreseen illness or death in the family, well guess what, you should probably be taking time away

from basketball to handle that too. There has to be some sort of logical buy out of a scholarship. It's a contract, the first one you sign, and we are not preparing basketball players for real life, and fans have no no view of how it actually mirrors real life. No, they're not like regular students, you know, regular students. It is because, first of all, when a college athlete transfers into a school, admission is not difficult. When a student does,

sometimes admission can be difficult. We make them pay all their bills, but we don't hold them to any sort of level accountability with a contract. That they signed. And he might say, well, college coaches they leave, they have buyouts. That's there. That's what they have to do in order to get out of their contract. And oh yeah, by the way, they got to move their entire family. They gotta figure out their staff. There's a bunch of moving parts there. And do I think that when when a

coach leaves, a player should be allowed to leave. I'm fine with that. But the idea that a player can leave out of his scholarship, especially at midyear or even at the end of the year, and one play right away because he says he has a family member sick or two he gets the benefit of transferring early instead of seeing the process through. So seeing the process through,

when he benefits early, you can transfer again. But all of it gives us this with the exception of the Duke threesome and maybe even three throw Trey Jones in. There is the Duke forsome an amazing class. If it wasn't for Zion Williamson, who's a YouTube sensation and as J. Billis called him a phenomenon, he really is a phenomenon.

How much would you really care pay attention in early season college basketball compared to how you used to, because you, in addition to not knowing the incoming freshman, you don't actually know many of the returning players because so many of transferred and they're wearing new uniforms, and there's people who this is the secret to college athletics that you're only going to hear here on all balls, all this only place you're gonna hear. Pick the team that you follow.

You follow them. You're a fan of that, that team who goes to those games, who watches those games on TV, By and large, people from that area, grew up in that area, or alums of that school, and sometimes alums of said conference school, or of the same of the opponent. If you grew up in the area, you're a lum of the area. You're a fan of that, You've always been a fan of the team. That's who watches. Look

at every season ticket base, it's all the same. The people who go to those games go there because it's their school. Now there may be more of them when they're winning more, and obviously having better players helps you win more. But this idea that the players name and

likeness matter is kind of laughable. What what does matter is the player's name in lightness being tied consistently to the same university because when they transfer out, we just it's it's like a where's waldough trying to find these guys, And as the guy who's done it for sixteen years, I can tell you it's increasingly difficult because you've got a thousand guys on Jeff Goodman's you know, transfer list, and it grows every year and it makes the sport worse.

I'm I'm only trying to help save the sport. I'm only trying to help you. Tell you the college basketball is awesome, you know. I'd love to talk about Creighton and the transformation in Greg McDermott's coaching style from getting trying to get blood out of a rock when he ran a million sets in Northern Iowa to now where they played fun five four or five out basketball. I know they lost the to Gonzaga, but that was a fun bat. It was a great watch on a Saturday

afternoon last last week. But it's hard to get the mainstream fan to buy in because they don't know the players. The good ones, the gre talents aren't there long enough, and the transfers make it so that even the rank and file guys. We don't know who they are, where they came from. There's no consistency of names being associated with the university, and so there's no ability to create any sort of fan base for a for a player, for a team. It hasn't been established by having wins.

And the last thing I'll say is this, I think that what college basketball does is a grosser name image and likeness. It does, and the NBA should actually push for guys to stay in school more because when they do, they have a built in fan base when they get to the NBA, and that that travels with Let's welcome in Jeff Goodman from Stadium Sports, who called his first

game ever with me san Diego, San Diego State. So in addition to being a Bostonian in southern California during a rainstorm, you got a chance to call a game. How to feel it was good? It was good? It was it was actually you know, you made it fairly because, uh, because the talk. We've known each other a long time. I think we feel comfortable ripping on each other if we need to. We really didn't do much of it. We just had fallen and and told it like it is.

And I think that's what we have always had in common, right, like tell it like it is, and some people hate us for it, some people love us for it. Um, it was fun. Other than again, the weather in San Diego was brutal and even driving up to l A, I got a triple head or um, your night, it was pretty bad. So people do not know how to drive in the rain at all around. I don't think anybody actually knows how to driving the rain anywhere like that.

That's one of the biggest like, oh, they don't know what I'm of course, the driving the rain in southern California never rains, but it's not like there's anywhere where when it rains three inches in a day, you know how to how to drive. Let's get to some basketball topics. Verning carry ends up signing with or committing to Duke right, and we're seeing these big three could go one to three in the draft. Uh, I want to get to

your big board in a second, go to Duke. Why does it feel like, whether it's real reality or perception, why does it feel like the pendulum the swung where Duke is now the landing spot for the top kids. I'll give you three letters, U s A USA basketball. That change did for k He could say what he wants that it didn't, but what it did is it took him from where he was number two to now he's clearly number one over Caliperry. Caliperry was the guy.

I mean, listen, everybody knew it. Calcarry was a hell of a recruiter at Memphis. Then he goes to Kentucky and it's like the elite recruiter at the elite spot. Nobody's gonna beat him. He showed that for years. But USA basketball, you know, they both have. But he's been doing USA basketball, ye, Jeff, he's been doing us A basketball for over a decade. Only now has the pendulum swung right. He had carry Irving going back, uh, you know, six seven years ago. But like in this one and

done era, it does feel like something's changed. It's like has caltick people off. There's something about Duke's success and did like what there has to be something more than just hey, you know, look he's coaching. He's not even coaching tm USA anymore. Like that's the crazy part. No, But but he has been. And what I'm telling you is like the you know, the help he's gotten from

the people at USA Basketball has certainly aided his cause. Um, I think you know, yes, all those like all those here's the way it works, Okay, all those junior national teams whatever, Like you know, any coach who you know, Kansas guy's course, Bill Self, you know, took his team to the World University Games. Um. And so even if it's not the big national team, it's the other national teams. You get to try out for workout for practice against the big boys or whatever. Like. There are promises and

hints made during recruitment, but it just it is. It is fascinating. All right. Your big board just came out at Stadium Sports. Who's the guy who's gonna most surprise people that's on your big board? I think it's two. It's probably Kobe White. I think I haven't at like nineteen, somewhere around that twenty range. And Jackson Hayes, who's mid twenties freshman of Texas who most people don't even know

who the hell he is. I mean, big athletic average like five minutes a game, is a junior in high school. And uh Dad is a tight ends coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. UM since and I bangled. I think I'm sorry and uh, those are the two that I think would probably have moved up the most for me from start. I had neither one of them in the first round. I've never heard of Jackson Hayes before, you know, three weeks ago. Um, I would agree with you. I went and saw him in Vegas and I was, I was.

I was blown away by by Jackson Hayes. You're going to see the triple header tonight. I'll bet you doing halftime for one of the games. It's kind of a weird deal where the St. Mayors the Mexico game, I don't even know, like that on ESPN Plus. Then we have kind of the middle game, um, and then the nightcap, which is Nevada and USC. Yeah, we have us, we have the USC game, us C t C U. UM. Let me ask you about Nevada. You're byron to them getting to the Final four, Like I'll say that they

have a chance. I mean, if you're telling me, like gunning in my head, am I picking Nevada to go to the Final four, I'm gonna say no. But anybody, you know, these days, anybody has a chance. I mean, you know, Loyola went last year. Uh there, to me, there's like three or four teams that are at a different level right now when you're when you're trying to choose the top four teams to go to the final four. I mean, you've got obviously Gonzaga. They don't even a

chilly back you obviously because of their talent. Uh. To me, you have to have Kansas, especially when Dope gets back. I talked to Bill Selfia today. He doesn't feel like it could be a hundred percential after the new year.

Doesn't even need him that much, to be honest, you get throw Dietrich Lasson at the five and be just five and maybe the Suser comes back, we don't know yet with him, and then the fourth one of me is Virginia, and I think then there's a gap, a significant gap after that to the Tennessee's, the nevad Is the next year, whoever you want to put in there. Why do you hate the ten so much? It stinks it's so bad this year, Like I've never figured out, like VCU did just beat Texas. I want to point

that out. The VCU did did just beat Texas. I think I think the tournament team this Texas the tournament team here absolutely absolutely, come on, absolutely absolutely, They're not absolutely a tournament team. There will be a fringe tournament team most likely. I don't know what happened when they came home from Vegas. They look so good against Carolina, they have a big lead to get is Chigan State. Then they lose to Radford and VCU at home, Like

what the hell is that? What I'm telling you though, like today today, if they'd probably be in, they beat Arkansas, they beat North Carolina, they're gonna get in, and they're gonna win you know, half their games in the Big Twelve, they're gonna get Like you got the top half. They gotta finish in the top half of the Big twelve. That's not a given. I don't even think you have necessarily had to finish top half. But yes, okay, it's fine. I don't think the Big twelve is is there outside

of Kansas? You know, like how good is Baylor? How good is West Virginia? How good is Oklahoma State? A team I thought would be better. They just lost to Tulsa, They've lost to Charlotte, they lost to Minnesota. So um anyway, uh, but we were talking about we get to Texas, like I get, Look, here's what's happened. What happened the A ten,

Same thing that happened to the Missouri Valley. You know, you lose your top teams and then you go and get you know, low majors to be in a high mid major league and it's gonna take a while to adjust. And the league is is down. But look, I think I think St. Louis is pretty good. Davidson's not bad. I mean they were embarrassing obviously against Perdue, but they've been good otherwise. And DC is not terrible. The bottom

of the league is really bad. I don't know what happened to George Mason, obviously, the bottom's falling out of George Washington and and LaSalle is a complete rebuild. Listen, the bottom line, though, is okay, your your your top teams have to be really good, right your your top programs in the league. And Dayton has not been great and VC has not been great. It's like it's like the pack, Well, why is the Pack twelve stink this year? Because you see in Arizona aren't that good? Period? Look,

I think U c L as talented. I think they don't have a point guard, maybe don't have great leadership. You know, Jalen Hands is not really a point guard. Um, But that the gamble was the key there. Tiger Campbell, good and hurt was the key for u c l A. That might end up costing Steve Ballford his job. It's very, very possible. And I think Arizona is kind of surprising, right, like, oh yeah, by the way, it's pretty good coach. Remember they did just go to Yukon and get a win.

I mean they lost to Gonzaga and Auburn, two teams that could very well in their league. They beat Iowa State, who played well out there. And I know Iowa State still without Wigginton, but I mean Arizona. But I'd agree with you that that's what happens when the top teams are down. The perception of the league of the league is down, all right. Last thing before we let you go, um, your National Player of the Year as of now it's only a month in the season, is who I'm going.

I know you're going t Tinkle. Well, no, I just look here, here's my thing with Trace Tinkle. I'll talk about it. No, No, it's just he's a tremendous player who does three things really well. He scores, he rebounds, and he passes for a kid who's six ft eight and they're a good team and a great team. But we do this thing in college basketball. We cover like ten teams and then we pick our player of the

year from those ten teams. That's it, that's what we do, right, Like, Trey Young got a bunch of attention last year for leading the corner country and scoring assist. His team sucked, but because the stats were so obscene, we compelled to put him on every list, right whereas there are guys that actually had better years that might not have had those same stats. No, let listen. I love think I do. I think he's a terrific player. I would give it to Ruy right now, the best player on the best team.

And I know some people arguing that the best player in his own team, but I would say he is. He's the best player in his own team. He's turned into an alpha dog, and we saw that with the game winner against Washington, and that was always a big question. I talked to him before the year and he even said that he's like in our culture in Japan, that's not how we're taught to be and and Mark has been on him about that. You've got to be that guy. You gotta try to take over games. We need you

to do that. And if he can be that, I think all the other dudes they're gonna have until he comes back. We know Zach Norville loves the big moment, right he's beerless. Perkins likes it. I don't really want him taking it, but but he he has the cajnans to take it. And then like Corey Kissber, it's pretty damn good Brandon Clark. I will know if Brandon Clark can really shoot it, but I don't think it matters now.

They're they're tremendous team in a in a day and age in which nobody has depth and few have depth with experience. They have both and they're well coached. Um. It's why I don't have any problem with people. It's not just that they beat Duke, it's that they beat Duke, and like Duke, I think they're both going to get better. They haven't topped out yet one because they hadn't had Killy and Tilly in too, because you know, Brendan Clark still learning to play at this level after playing at

San Jose stayed previously. All Right, dude, listen, I completely completely agree that their question is who does take the big shot? Although you go back to the other night against Washington and really took and made the big shot, although he's wide open, which was kind of surprising. Nonetheless, enjoy Southern California. We can follow, follow you on Twitter, watch your stuff on stadium. Right, and another game together? Yeah, o O do you some buddy on March January three, Marshall,

little John Elmore action there. So that'll be fun. And I'm gonna prep because I gotta be prepared to in the game with you. It'll be fun. Thanks for joining us. Letter Alright, a couple lot of things here on All Ball. No, the Lakers are not gonna sign Carmelo Anthony. I've told you guys before. I've said on this podcast other podcasts. Or chemistry is outstanding. So just think of this as dumb and dumber. Right, what are you thinking of? One

in a million? So he's saying there's a chance. Okay, fine, I actually think you could play in Golden State, like in a Maurice space Mo Buckets role. Come off the bench, Chuck a couple of you, he need hit some you stay in. I actually think they could use that kind

of offense. I do um. I will also say this, like we've gotten to this place where we feel the need as media members to defame Kevin Durant, right, because he thinks he's doing the world of service by calling out the sycophants of the world that follow Lebron James or the fans who honestly, like, here's the thing with with k D. In many ways, he's right. He's saying things that you're not supposed to say and maybe you

can't even say. But telling fans who are unruly and say ridiculous things to athletes like you sat next to these people for they don't belong in the arena, Like that's not the whole point of coming there. And there's a way to hecko and be funny, and there's a way to just be mean and cruel, and I think that's kind of what he's what he's getting, Like, you're you're an adult, don't m f me when I'm a player, right, I am a human being, even if we don't want

them to act like human beings. But it's funny where we've gotten with with k D. Right, here's the guy averaging thirty points a game. Think about this. Has anybody looked he's averaging thirty a game. He's shooting from the field thirty four from three, which is a little bit down um, and he's shooting from the free throw line, averaging eight rebounds and six and a half assists, and to block the game. And I've I've seen people say, oh, yeah, you know, k D, he's just nothing good. I'm like, what,

excuse me? He's amazing. It's amazing. So what you what you have to do? And this is the I encourage all my broadcasting friends will listen to this, and you should do this if you're just a civilian. But this is the challenge in my world. What I've always done is that there's basketball coaches, basketball players that I don't like, guys that I do like. Can you evaluate fairly even if you don't like somebody, or even if you do like somebody? And I think many media members they can't.

It's not just that their homers, it's that if they feel like they're being called out by a guy, like they're gonna be I've had beefs with Roy Williams before I respect Roy Williams. I think he's done an amazing job throughout his career. There are times in which, up until recently, kind of always played the same way, and I didn't allow I don't love some of the in game substitutions, but I also haven't one the one eight

hundred games of his games. But like you know, these are like, I don't allow any sort of pettiness, any sort of beaf over you know, the rumor that he might shut it down a couple of years ago when his knees were bad and his best friend died and he took offense to it. Like, I don't allow that to affect my evaluation of Roy Williams as a coach, either all time or his team this year. But most people can't. They can't disassociate themselves from the real world

of feelings. I guess I don't have enough feelings. Kevin Rans amazing, amazing, and the fact that people aren't pointing out just how incredible a year he's having only proves his point. Of the sycophants in the NBA covering Lebron, but for Lebron and the Lakers, the chemistry is obscene. I'd be embarrassed. If I was the Phoenix Sons at throwing out eighteen points combined in their last two first quarters, I just just start trading guys to Siberia. Man, But

I guess you become basketball side berea suspend. Dudes, they don't want to guard, they don't want to play. Figure out a way to get guys compete hard in that because that it's amazing. They drafted Josh Jackson, they signed Tyson Chandler, they drafted Mikail Bridges. All guys seen his chemistry. Guys in their chemistry has not gotten better, It's gotten worse, worse. They're awful, awful. All right, we're gonna have We have a couple of amazing pods. Wind up. Eric Musselman is

gonna join us next week. Rusty LaRue is set to join us telling tell you about his journey. Rush of the Room. Might be the greatest athlete in the history of Wake Forest. I know Tim Duncan played at Wake Forest. We'll get his story. He's told me he's gonna join me in a pod. I've got a bunch of people that have been texting me, Hey, dude, I want to do a pod. Cool we'll do it. We'll pump some

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