[SPEAKER_03]: In the sterile high-tech labs of Stanford University, a world-renowned immunologist is hunting a different kind of subject. [SPEAKER_03]: A man with hundreds of patents and a reputation for rigorous pathology has stepped out of the traditional ivory tower and into the crosshairs of the world's most enduring mystery. [SPEAKER_03]: For him, the question of non-human intelligence isn't a matter of belief. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a matter of data.
[SPEAKER_03]: Armed with mass spectrometers and atomic probe tomography, he doesn't look for a grainy footage in the sky. [SPEAKER_03]: He looks for the fingerprints of the others in the very atoms of the material world. [SPEAKER_03]: from analyzed fragments of ejected molten metal to the complex isotopes of magnesium that suggest a manufacturing process beyond our current physics. [SPEAKER_03]: He is treated in the UFO phenomenon as a literal forensic crime scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: But his research goes deeper than metal. [SPEAKER_03]: At the request of the intelligence community, he has peered into the brains of experiences, pilots, and personnel who survive close-ranging counters with the unknown. [SPEAKER_03]: Very found something stornaline. [SPEAKER_03]: Physical evidence of a unique neural architecture that might only key to how some humans perceive or even interact with, a reality that remains invisible to the rest of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: In this case file, join the theorist as we analyze the aloise and map the mind of. [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Gary Nolan [SPEAKER_05]: Well, gosh, I'm on the inferiorist theorizing. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm Braden. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm Dan. [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm Andrew. [SPEAKER_01]: He was boarded in the new intro man, but he's the same name as ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sub-in for voice actor Dan, no big deal, just jump in there, do your best. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so this fucking week we're talking about this guy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's good of a nerd. [SPEAKER_02]: Love's fucking space, dinosaur's little bit. [SPEAKER_05]: Gary fucking pee, Nolan, the pee stands for piss. [SPEAKER_05]: Gary piss, Nolan. [SPEAKER_02]: Guy loves a good pissed off. [SPEAKER_02]: He's guys all about fucking ghosts and aliens in shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, love him as you both guys. [SPEAKER_01]: He's about to, he's about the science of, you could say, the super natural. [SPEAKER_02]: So is it dark? [SPEAKER_01]: UAP's aliens. [SPEAKER_01]: Biologics. [SPEAKER_01]: Identifying doing like imaging on old discovered. [SPEAKER_01]: extraterrestrial items, that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been in the news a lot this year, especially Gary Nolan, because we're going to get to it as we go through that episode, but there's a new group that he's kind of spearheading, which is taking the forefront of UAP and alien research in the same level of like scientific rigor as like cancer research and like high end academic stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in that sense, he's got kind of brought me [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit because we're let's go because we over the last few years when we got these guys we've talked about him. [SPEAKER_01]: Ella's Elizondo and crew feeling a little griffy, you know, saying the bunch of stuff like, oh, I got a guy got a guy who told me this in the background deal and the griffy. [SPEAKER_05]: The griff's over. [SPEAKER_05]: The griff's coming to the end. [SPEAKER_05]: The age of the griff is over.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gary Nolan's bringing it yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Bring it home. [SPEAKER_05]: He's he's putting he's putting together his own adventures. [SPEAKER_05]: His own fucking [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, a heavy lobes on there is not a little money and I think it's like yeah, it's a lot of people like the people with the You know, mainstream academic credits. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'll be a little bit of a heavy lobes ahead of another one, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a head of a [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: He's not yet. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's got his own which is that part of that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll move a move a three I Atlas three three. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's just he's just sitting there with just fucking waiting for another interview. [SPEAKER_04]: He's not an object. [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, fuck man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I was actually interviewed with Nolan and it's like him talking about Abbey Logan and it's like they're like his hobby a little bun your team and it's like [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, no, he has his own thing going, you know, it's not his own team, there's some friction there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, I listened to him on Lex Freedens podcast and he didn't, he's like, I appreciate what Abby's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got his own thing, okay, moving on to just quickly because you brought up Lex Freedmen. [SPEAKER_05]: That guy's an industry plant, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea like he's the most he's the most boring guy I've ever heard he's like a Russian lock American intellect plant in the podcast it's so weird I'm like where did he come from like where did he come from where he has any guy he got popular because he went on Rogan but he's just not that intricate like he's hard to listen to yeah like he did hear him talk he's just a fucking bill now that's for sure [SPEAKER_02]: What's that long?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that long form like deep learning lecture style fucking party. [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, it's kind of like, he's like, well, do you listen to like human? [SPEAKER_02]: I have to take breaks when I listen to human. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time listening to human. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like it's hard. [SPEAKER_02]: It's great information, but he's not like it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather just download the transcript of that episode and then ask my AI to summarize. [SPEAKER_02]: Like fuck yeah, I mean, absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: That's good. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_04]: That's where it's again. [SPEAKER_04]: That's where I'm at. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm most YouTube videos and yeah, podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: Except for this podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: If you motherfuckers dare download the transcript of this episode and try to happen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Best of luck to you. [SPEAKER_05]: Best of luck to you. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was going to be like, I can't dump this down there. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I is going to be as good as going to be. [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely worth the rest because it's too dumb. [SPEAKER_01]: You actually should listen to the podcast because that's the only entertainment value. [SPEAKER_05]: You're gonna find it like, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, we're talking about this guy Gary Nolan.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about him briefly here and there with like Adacama Alien. [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, baby. [SPEAKER_05]: He was the fucking main, the lead fucking guy. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, really good to be. [SPEAKER_01]: He was the guy who did the DNA analysis of that little motherfucker and turns out. [SPEAKER_02]: Turns out it was cake. [SPEAKER_02]: That was a pickle. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, cake on. [SPEAKER_02]: wasn't the Mexican aliens or cake?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Or are they? [SPEAKER_01]: A video like this guy? [SPEAKER_01]: I was a shitty ad for that cake or not. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the fuck that was. [SPEAKER_01]: But pretty much this guy, Gary Nolan. [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a PhD from Cornell, a postdoc from MIT. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a faculty member at the Stanford School of Medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's what he's has over 300 peer reviewed papers in immune, immunology, cancer biology, genetics. [SPEAKER_01]: He has over 50 patents. [SPEAKER_01]: He's headed multiple biotech companies and sold them and exited for millions and millions of dollars. [SPEAKER_01]: This guy's a top cheese of his field. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's he's named his Stanford's top 25 inventors of all time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, he's pretty much, he's recognized as an expert in his field like he's one of the world leading experts in immunology and cancer biology and genetics like that's his main focus, I think what I feel like the aliens is stuff is like someone's like a hobby to him, like it's you know, which is interesting because it's like he kind of moves over and it's cool that you have a guy of this high regard who's just also like, and I like to fucking look in the aliens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I didn't start that way, though, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like he started as a, he was an immunologist. [SPEAKER_01]: That was his main thing and his main tech was, sorry, made his name side talk, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Side commentary by time of flight, which is a mass spectrometry tool that I guess increased. [SPEAKER_01]: This is all jargon to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just reading what I've with someone tried to present to me into, as I can explain it like a five-year-old. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tool that measures 40 plus proteins in a single cell simultaneously. [SPEAKER_01]: And previously, I guess the tech maxed out at like five. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's far like, as cancer research now, this is like the go-to cancer research tool, like worldwide. [SPEAKER_01]: It like completely changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like when we're gonna go from regular computing to quantum computing if that ever happens. [SPEAKER_01]: That like magnitude shift in the industry. [SPEAKER_01]: So this guy's a real deal. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it's like, he takes that same stuff, I know, the mesh, like, trauma-dating, and does it, like, those, he looks at the alien problem as a material, like, as a material science problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's more like stuff that's kind of be like, it's interesting, because it's like, like the, the adacoma alien, like, where he applied a lot of the principles and a lot of the methodologies that he uses in his studies to, like, approach that problem, like, are these actually little tiny aliens [SPEAKER_04]: No, is it chili? [SPEAKER_04]: Was it chili? [SPEAKER_04]: I think I said that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not this time, but he has his own approach to these things that, you know, and his outlook on the alien, you know, extraterrestrial issue is [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's genuine academic interest in, in the, in the, in the topic. [SPEAKER_04]: So like, it's, it's, it's fun to watch him in interviews and when they ask him things and being like, you know, this is how I would approach it and
[SPEAKER_04]: He works through the problem like a real scientist, you know, and they ask him like, you know, what would aliens do if they're invading earth and he's like, well, you first you have to like figure out exactly, you know, what they're made of and like what exactly they would want is a species and all this kind of stuff and he goes to all this stuff that you're like, yeah, that those are all questions that you should probably ask.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's no lives but there's no audio on the lives don't just so far. [UNKNOWN]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: Talk? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The fuck is it post shit? [SPEAKER_04]: It's L6R out of here now. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, cool. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we're still recording. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, we'll see. [SPEAKER_05]: Where are we? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are. [SPEAKER_01]: We're recording. [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_04]: Those eight people on libert. [SPEAKER_04]: Don't. [SPEAKER_02]: Fucked. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm missing all that fucking hospital whistling. [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: So fucking give. [SPEAKER_04]: I just get in there. [SPEAKER_04]: Get in there. [SPEAKER_02]: It's damn, it's on me. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I was, well, then was talking. [SPEAKER_02]: You could hear it. [SPEAKER_02]: So, huh. [SPEAKER_02]: He does it. [SPEAKER_05]: He breathed through his nose while he talks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm a very talented person. [SPEAKER_01]: I could do that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's insane. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you missed that first part, then this one could not go back and let's do it again. [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about Gary Norton, right? [SPEAKER_05]: We just get the chance to actual listenability. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll put out a real, I'm going to redo the live video after. [SPEAKER_01]: And it will be live, but it will be post live.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're talking about Gary Nolan. [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're on this thing of he's developed this, the side tough, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And this was actually instrumental in the human cell atlas, which is kind of like the human genome project, but for the cells, it permeates every cell of the human body. [SPEAKER_01]: So I find that interesting because about 10 years after, [SPEAKER_01]: Like he develops this technology. [SPEAKER_01]: He gets a knock on the door, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: 2012, he's approached by individuals connected to the U.S. intelligence agencies. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, dude, this is straight out of a fucking movie. [SPEAKER_05]: This is how this happens in movies. [SPEAKER_05]: They alien crash comes and then they're like, we need to fucking go knocking on some experts. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, the doors. [SPEAKER_01]: Like not only in that, like, we're going to get to, like this is the brain stuff here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you have this technology [SPEAKER_01]: So this hypothetically, you had a non-human biological entity in that fucking pink goo at what's the Air Force base? [SPEAKER_05]: Area 52. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they flew them out of air. [SPEAKER_01]: They took them somewhere else right in Malstrom or something? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Malstrom. [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is. [SPEAKER_01]: But you have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you did have a species of a different origin, this technology by the guy who developed it would be paramount in identifying what the fuck the creature was, right? [SPEAKER_01]: what you're looking at what you're saying. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not human, I guess, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, not done. [SPEAKER_05]: That's the way I need to breathe. [SPEAKER_01]: That would be an easy part. [SPEAKER_05]: You can fucking look at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You be like, that thing's not fascinating. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what it's going to do? [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, oh, no. [SPEAKER_05]: Unless it's a fucking hybridization program and then you're like, there's no way for us to tell physically. [SPEAKER_05]: Like this human or alien, right? [SPEAKER_05]: If this is human or a hybrid, we need this technology to see who's a fucking hybrid.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you need to be interested in detection, yeah, if you need it to detect this or with those guys at fucking, they're kneecaps, revert in, and then they run those aliens, remember that movie? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're like their legs hyper extend. [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that elites from Halo got reverse legs, like a fucking ostrich? [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but I don't be like humans. [SPEAKER_02]: They'll look normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when they go to, like, fuck and take on the first joint. [SPEAKER_02]: They just fuck you. [SPEAKER_02]: And they go for a run. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that, nobody remembers that? [SPEAKER_02]: No, I kind of vaguely. [SPEAKER_01]: It's tickling my memory. [SPEAKER_02]: Is it signal? [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's sex at the one with Charlie Sheen. [SPEAKER_02]: There's, yeah, it might be. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, watch, go look that movie up, I guess I'll have to have it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But there's a ton of applications for this in that space of things that we, you know, if there were two bodies, we'd want to know, but like, you know, my brain jumps to the hybridization program because that's been like in the forefront right now. [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, if there are aliens making like humans, they are hybrids in some ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or even, yeah, I mean, like, what happens if they're looking for ancient, like, andunaki bloodlines, too, like finding a, you know, like, that's like a marker, like a genetic marker and like, okay, measure medical arrangement. [SPEAKER_02]: And then we can get ice. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, oh, yeah, well, if you can identify all human cells, then what's to say, you can, I, what's to say, you can identify all ET cells, kind of understand how their biology works.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if you're using some of that, it's good for us. [SPEAKER_04]: You'd be like, why not use it for aliens too? [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it's good, you know? [SPEAKER_04]: Like I said, this is all the material science that he's all that he's good at.
[SPEAKER_04]: So being able to analyze and make the connections between different cells and their functions and all those things, like, yeah, like you want to apply that top, you know, this is the top technology for that field and science that we have available. [SPEAKER_04]: We run apply it to aliens as well. [SPEAKER_05]: Minutes great too, because you could bring this guy in and just give him like, [SPEAKER_05]: Tessa's hawking meat. [SPEAKER_05]: He got ever given you here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't worry about where it came from. [SPEAKER_05]: What it is Test it and give us the like urine analysis using this and you get testing me like yeah, what the fuck is that? [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what the fuck is weird and they're like perfect. [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for the data But like he's none the wiser like he's like I test something that's like definitely fucking strange Well, we definitely have like
[SPEAKER_02]: we have that they call it like is it I think they call it ghost DNA right like where we they they have no idea where that the genetic material originated from right it's like some type of hominin species that they don't know exists like we don't have any evidence of this DNA where it came from all right so right like it's fucking crazy man [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, no one started like he dipped his toe like he didn't start with the UFOs, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that wasn't where he got into the, um, like he wasn't full fledged UFO until before they approached him. [SPEAKER_04]: Like the CIA approached him for a special project. [SPEAKER_04]: Like the first thing I did, right? [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that would make like he was, he was into it before that or after that. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, the CIA approached him about the innocent drone was the first thing they got at.
[SPEAKER_01]: They approached him about, I guess they had been analyzing, they had like brain scans a bunch of people who had been injured or close proximity to like UAP events and they hired him to like analyze the brain scans, MRIs and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, they had like, they had the brain scans of people who, it was originally either the Havana syndrome, like they had a big group, they had a group of people who were like had been, you know, had been experiencing the same symptoms, they had the, I forgot what the, the acronym used for it, but they, they showed the same amount of symptoms that they're like, okay, these all go into this category, this puts them in the category of this weird syndrome that we don't know what it is yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, [SPEAKER_04]: a subsection of that where people who had claimed to or, you know, were reported to have been in close proximity to UAPs or experiences at some point, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And so like he got, that's where he moved, like it was from the vanus syndrome. [SPEAKER_04]: He shifted to the UFO stuff because like the other subset of the UFO experiences, like this is really interesting. [SPEAKER_04]: This might be something that we should look more into as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well that makes me think that like when he's looking at these things he's coming up with he's like there's something to this that is like not of this world that then excites him to then study this further he's like there's an unexplained element here that doesn't like make sense and pushes him to this direction which makes me like you know believe the topic more when a guy like this
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like by all accounts should be like, you know, I would say like stereotypically would be poo poo on the subject, right, and then he's like he does does looks into this stuff, and then he takes like more of an interest in like a broader
[SPEAKER_05]: kind of genre of like UFOs and extraterrestrials rather than just like you know the the narrow of like what's going on with these syndromes and the UAPs and then all of a sudden he's like oh you know what I want to look into the UAP topic and extraterrestrial topic more it's like it's almost like there's there's something there to it that leads him be like K-well this [SPEAKER_05]: This is where the science leads because whatever I looked at was not.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't truly know what causes a vanic syndrome to re-like what type of weapon. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that is alien tech that they tested. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, dude, that's the whole thing and the crazy thing when I was reading into this you're like, all right. [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess it was originally they had a different doctor, Dr. [SPEAKER_01]: Kit Green, and he'd been involved in this UAP adjacent medical research they call it, going back all the way to the 70s.
[SPEAKER_01]: or 40 years, I guess, before this time, they had, they've been kind of looking into these UAP adjacent like medical conditions, obviously top secret, NDA. [SPEAKER_01]: And even Gary Nolan said, like, he's under so many NDAs and stuff from this project that he can actually disclose his true findings. [SPEAKER_01]: But pretty much what he could say is, a bunch of these people had like a part of their brain, [SPEAKER_01]: not damaged but almost like rewired.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the part of the brain that is like pattern recognition and I can't remember what you call it because I didn't write down basically of the part of the brain where it's like pattern recognition and other stuff like that and he kind of theorizes in this podcast I like maybe this UAP phenomenon. [SPEAKER_02]: Neocortex. [SPEAKER_01]: Neocortex, that sounds right.
[SPEAKER_01]: but it's so the neocontact is like rewired in a way compared to like a regular brain, and he theorizes he never fully says it, but he pretty much says maybe a UAP event, you know, it's not just physical, it's conscious and actually changes the brain when you come in contact with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: was like his, you know, I bought this as you would say, but it makes you wonder like what did they had learned from the 40 years before and why now, like a guy who has all this access to this, like this new tech, they bring him in out of nowhere, making what take a look, what do you see? [SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, that's like the tin foil hat angling. [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you bring this guy in now?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you had this other doctor for 40 years, now you bring this guy, what [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, or like what could this guy bring to the table that like they, you know, to add to it. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, like what, because they obviously would show him so much research, then, if of this other guy, yeah, who's gotten into this. [SPEAKER_05]: So like, in the, it just, to me, that's a smoking gun there. [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, there's something there.
[SPEAKER_05]: This guy can't talk about it. [SPEAKER_05]: But like, there's something there that is pushing him into this field. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I guess like, so now they call it Havana syndrome now, but when he was first brought in, there was kind of 2016 is when they term Havana syndrome. [SPEAKER_01]: That's with all the diplomats in Havana, Cuba, down with like those headaches and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: For pretty much all, a lot of these patients he was examining their MRIs, all had debilitating headaches and vision loss and memory impairment. [SPEAKER_01]: What's that's always familiar with the UAP or abduction always memory impairment rate cognitive deterioration and some cases the person even died from these contacts. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say shit [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't hear it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Across a large subset of the subjects, he finds the same structural anomaly, usually high density of neural connections in the cadet putem-in, a deep sub-cortle region involved in pattern recognition, intuition, habit formation, and information integration. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like kind of like how you perceive the world more or less, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, that's as I thought this is like, whatever happened to the, some of the, not all the patients, some of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird. [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder what else can I listen to that response? [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I might, I was just thinking of like, you know, how, they see like astronauts kind of get that, like get a, when they go to space. [SPEAKER_05]: They've got to perceive things different. [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember what the term is, but like seeing how small we are on the globe. [SPEAKER_01]: All the other perspectives called the Overview Effect when Overview Effect come back down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I wonder if they have like a similar like if they come back down at all Yeah, if they ever went up at all All right, we got talk about our Artemis tool being the future case father [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, that's it's interesting. [SPEAKER_05]: This what this guy's doing and like what he's done is interesting because he like he kind of openly discusses that he has maybe seen things but like can't elaborate on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he he openly says like I'm in so under so many NDAs like I can't actually talk about the official like every I can I'm only allowed to say X, Y, and Z this kind of stuff But he he uses the analogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was on the it was on the [SPEAKER_01]: But he's heaver soon or maybe it was a Lex Freeman podcast, but it's he uses the analogy the cadet putem in I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly, but may function like a radio receiver and in some people it's tuned to receive a signal that most people can't detect so maybe that's what he's saying about like if you're like chosen an abductee or whatever
[SPEAKER_01]: can't like handle it and it causes overwhelming damage and sometimes death. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, wow, because if you think if you go with like a, why don't we see more of these fucking aliens, the UAPs, the UFOs, it's not necessarily like if they're not a physical thing, a lot of people say, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a consciousness or an alternate dimension or some quantum, some type of technology, we have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why it's hard to believe [SPEAKER_01]: It would see one by now, you would think. [SPEAKER_01]: But he's saying, well, we'll all have this antenna. [SPEAKER_01]: And when you are maybe privy to witness these phenomena, it can just fucking turn the lights off or completely rewire your brain. [SPEAKER_05]: So some people are wired to see these things, perhaps, or they're not wired to. [SPEAKER_01]: They are rewired in real time, like by what I was saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he consulted, he consulted a number of neurologists and he was saying that this structure, the similarity in structure, but among those, that section of patients that he saw or the data that he had, was that they showed that this, [SPEAKER_04]: they were able on average to kind of like, oh, he thinks that it's allows them to and neurologist kind of back this up to be like, it allows them to process more sensory data, per, like, pour whatever than a normal person.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like, it per managed our per second or something like that. [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, yeah, that these people are like, and I think he said, like, [SPEAKER_04]: His, like, he did, you know, brain scans of, like, him and his wife and his, like, kid to and they all kind of print his end at the same, like the same kind of, they had the same kind of structure.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's like, yeah, it's, these high function, what he called, like, high functioning individuals who also have a happen at a UAP experience, like, yeah, he's like, there's a, it seems to be, at least a correlation there. [SPEAKER_04]: Whether it's exactly the causation, like, that that is what it is, it still remains to be seen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, that's what that's where my brain was going to is like does this not give legs to like all the weird CIA projects where they were like rounding up people to see if they had psychic abilities and like remote viewing because they're like, they're like, you know, if we're talking this research went on for that long, they're like, can we know there's people that have these things and these receptors? [SPEAKER_05]: Can we tune them to other things?
[SPEAKER_05]: Can we find people that can use these like, you [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna plant them in every single bingo hall across America. [SPEAKER_05]: We're gonna get fucking rich Bingo Just two guys in black black seeds A rainman just with bingo
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great, like I'd be interested to see too, like if this is like a increased perception of your surroundings or whatever pattern recognition, what happens to this region of the brain when you pop a little acid or something like what happens then is this is not the part that fucking fires up when you do some of these
[SPEAKER_05]: But maybe that's what there's maybe that's why like MK Ultra was really about with these they were doing all these tests to just see what if there was anything they could do that could stimulate this You know portion of the brain that they knew was triggering you know these events Right like so maybe they're just trying everything. [SPEAKER_05]: They're like LSD fucking cocaine. [SPEAKER_02]: What ever how did we see them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I guess that was M. Caltramontag, pretty much the same shit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all kind of stuff like the darkness of the same octopus. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that's like getting into like the remote viewing and the fucking Triad Bill. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, trying to push the bounds of the human consciousness. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: And also just drug and people. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm watching them fuck and I climb and expect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go and like that's just a little fun There was no porn back then, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: He had a truck and do some different. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like one of the oldest things ever That what I mean there was no like there's no video porn there is live. [SPEAKER_01]: You had to live What better way to do alive if the person didn't know you were watching? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's better than a flipbook, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's drawn on the original flipbook. [SPEAKER_01]: Give it a flipbook, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't flip though, they're fast. [SPEAKER_02]: I only need to back and forth. [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. [SPEAKER_01]: Find your favorites. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then continuing on after, so after this, Nolan kind of has proposed his own hypothesis on UAP encounters and the abductions and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says that a lot of these people have this natural receiver, like we just talked about, and they're maybe targeted by these non-biological entities he calls them. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and that's and like didn't he didn't he use the term one time that he like that he worked on like non or biological material of an unknown origin. [SPEAKER_05]: Like he says those terms. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, later. [SPEAKER_01]: But he can talk about it on material on material.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a biological.
[SPEAKER_04]: They gave him like that was so yeah, he he did the [SPEAKER_04]: the studies with the, the, the, caught eight, put him in and then he did the, with those in the high functioning individuals and he, you know, he's, he's working on that hypothesis of being like, yeah, is that whatever, but then he also, so that kind of pushed him into, now he's moved into the UFO thing and then this was like twice a 2012 2011 is when he, they brought him in for the adacama alien.
[SPEAKER_04]: like that whole thing I'm going to call it a fiasco but like what they brought them in to be like the he he established himself like this was nice because it's like he was the one skeptical scientist in that whole route like it was like who's it was it was it was it was a Jamie mouse and coming in here coming in hot with the adacama alien which he had kind of done before and like this guy's already kind of known as a bit of a hookster being like you know pretty
[SPEAKER_01]: easy to, because the outcome of alien bounced around like private collections for a while before it was finally actually analyzed. [SPEAKER_04]: It's been around since 2003 at least. [SPEAKER_04]: I heard they saw it for a case of Pepsi.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so for like, yeah, it almost like a decade had been kind of floating around, but then, you know, no one got to take a crack at it and they brought him in and he actually got to go ahead and [SPEAKER_04]: take a look at this, you know, he was got to perform high resolution DNA sequencing at Stanford. [SPEAKER_04]: He had the resources available to kind of really take a deeper look into what this thing actually was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he got, you know, with his bone marrow cells from the ribs, genuinely every one of these fucking guys worse nightmares. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Real science on that. [SPEAKER_02]: They're probably [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, at least from the samples that he got, and then he said it was a bone marrow from the ribs.
[SPEAKER_04]: No one's team was able to hold genome sequence, you know, the genome of the Adacama Allen, and pretty much that they got is that they said the specimen was human. [SPEAKER_04]: It was male, and it was of Chilean and Dan Ascent, I just said. [SPEAKER_05]: little murdered man. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a fucking little fetus. [SPEAKER_05]: Little fetus. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It was fucking more from the train.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was more, it was a fetus, but it had like the genetic capabilities of like a six or eight world, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it had like advanced like well, that was the whole thing. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the whole thing about these alien memories is like there's also something like these might have just been like, you know, peace together, like they might be different pieces from, would they be able to tell that from the bone though?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, not, no, because like, that's what I'm saying is like, you could take one bone and that would be from one person and then another bone like a finger bone would be something from another person. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, obviously, I would be able to, with the testing that he could do, wouldn't he be able to find that they're from different people? [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_04]: He only got, he only got the sample from the bone out from the rib.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, front ceiling. [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't get like multiple samples. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so he didn't get the whole fucking, the only one that's patient. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't get the whole fucking, he just got drilled out. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Marrows. [SPEAKER_04]: They just get, they give him like a piece and they can tell him like, you know, you and send the whole thing to him.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's easier just to take a sample and just like, I think he's fucking tiny throwing a FedEx box. [SPEAKER_02]: You could put it in. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's fucking two day ship. [SPEAKER_01]: He missed 12 bucks. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, fucking, can it? [SPEAKER_05]: Priority overnight. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but didn't he say in the end, he's like, [SPEAKER_01]: It was such a good piece of DNA, his results were a 99.99% accurate. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like, yeah, from that bone. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just that. [SPEAKER_05]: No, we said earlier that people, it was affecting the pat, like people close to these UFO events. [SPEAKER_05]: It was affecting their pattern recognition. [SPEAKER_01]: Like improving it or no, the people, the MRIs he examined to had close encounters with UAPs had that increased neural network in that part of the brain.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, you could maybe see if they were better suited for pattern recognition. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean. [SPEAKER_01]: That's when we said after that, is that that some people are like predisposed to be able to see these phenomena more than others. [SPEAKER_05]: So what I'm giving you is that while we've been blaming vaccines, we should really be blaming UFO and UAPs for autism. [SPEAKER_01]: don't say the viewer. [SPEAKER_05]: You said the viewer.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: He said autism. [SPEAKER_05]: I said autism. [SPEAKER_05]: We said the viewer. [SPEAKER_05]: I did say before we've been blaming the the views for the Hase. [SPEAKER_01]: That's too late. [SPEAKER_01]: Then who's not? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they don't even all we need to do is set up one of those fucking fake stores in the mall with all those stupid pictures, the little dots. [SPEAKER_02]: You catch them all that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: They used to do that dude. [SPEAKER_05]: She had them all remember You're in the mall that you said fucking have those did the displays of the fucking evil Twilight's your eyes, right? [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember that every time you go and they were You know what I didn't recognize is that when as soon as someone said what it was a couple of guys and suits would ask you them away Go Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a ship let's get them over here [SPEAKER_02]: I got an advanced putt to con, I don't know what other fuck we got, we need them. [SPEAKER_02]: Recruitem. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess you could say like are those people like We're close to UAP's UFOs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they test subjects? [SPEAKER_01]: Are they just like they're They're sawed up somehow these aliens or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: They just know who you got the DNA in them. [SPEAKER_02]: That's why that's how they know That's the sign of being well, he part of the bloodline. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he also Gary.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he does say that he's like it seems like generation after generation Some of these people [SPEAKER_01]: have multiple instances over generations of abductions or witnessing these events, seems like it seems to be genetic in a way. [SPEAKER_02]: There you go, man. [SPEAKER_02]: That's fucking crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: But I like what this guy says though, he is always like theoretically maybe, but he never goes, this is what it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because he does, I mean, he critiques as any good scientist. [SPEAKER_04]: What he critiques his own work and way and his approach to it. [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, yeah, I admit a lot of the stuff that I get from the UAP experiences is anecdotal. [SPEAKER_04]: It's all claims from them. [SPEAKER_04]: There's no way to actually, you know, it's all of the stories that I get from them firsthand accounts, but there's still, there's nobody to corroborate that.
[SPEAKER_04]: these experiences. [SPEAKER_04]: He's still interested in you know, yeah, no, that's what I'm saying, but it's like that's I'm just saying that I do it enjoy the same the rigor that he applies to these, you know, his methodology. [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a guy, though, too, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just what he's interested in, doesn't mean just because he's a fucking scientist, doesn't mean what he's talking about. [SPEAKER_02]: He's such an accomplished scientist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there's tons of fucking accomplished people like weird shit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true. [SPEAKER_02]: Dan, show us your gun them collection. [SPEAKER_02]: There it is. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we all got a fucking, I'm not very calm. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd show you how many more Hammer 40K figurines do you have, Dan. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's just one, one, two. [SPEAKER_02]: See, he's a smart guy who's hard to block us.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe like, I try to match him with whatever color shirt I'm wearing when I go to work. [SPEAKER_04]: I have the chapters. [SPEAKER_04]: Same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_02]: Dan is a fucking scholar and a gentleman. [SPEAKER_05]: Dan's been around a little too many, fucking. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Someone take an MRI of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan's brain and scan for this region of the brain that we're talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: Scan for autism. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's a good study to check. [SPEAKER_01]: people who are artistic and this part of the brain that we're talking about right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, dude, we have like the fucking, the, it makes me think that because we have the, like, the, like, what is it the telepathy tapes where it's like they test people with autism and, like, uncanny ability to, like higher than chance abilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: And so, and then you, we're kind of about talking like this and you're like, these people who have these, like, I wonder if it's like, you know, with, [SPEAKER_05]: You know all you need to have is someone in your lineage to have an experience in kind of get passed down now in your bloodline
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, kind of like ancient orange and Vietnam where it's like, you know, didn't affect the parents so much, but the kids sure like kids and the kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're your great grandson gets these, you know, the marker to, you know, whatever these things affect. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe just genetic, perhaps. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we got more to talk about. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a short beer break here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to rock a quick piss and the right back.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: He examines some old UFO material he's found we got to talk about his new foundation and a couple other things But before that we're very back All right, we'll just yeah, don't talk don't say don't talk about anything you're a bunch of Yeah Don't say no We're coming back to Gary Nolan. [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna get to some other stuff maybe in after hours. [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we we got to go now to [SPEAKER_01]: We'll call it a anomalous isotope tests that he's done because this is the newest news actually this is what he's been on the podcast about I guess he became privy to some old [SPEAKER_01]: I guess UAP, UFO samples, specifically the one taking from an incident called the 1950s Brazilian Beach, UFO. [SPEAKER_04]: It's a Uber Tuba. [SPEAKER_04]: There's one called Uber Tuba. [SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they just switched to Brazilian Beach because that's easier. [SPEAKER_01]: But pretty much they thought what something they thought was pure magnesium back then. [SPEAKER_01]: He's now analyzed in this new spectrometer, this new super tech and it turns out to be 99.99% silicon and like the way under electron micostrope the way it's like oriented is beyond any tech we can do especially back then when we first analyzed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what he's pretty much said is this is [SPEAKER_01]: ET material doesn't say it's like Alien he just says like it's either like tech we don't know like the public doesn't know about on planet earth or it's fucking alien you know I mean they fucking crazy man
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you found in his lab with his team, like he found that the samples that they got from that, what was possibly a crash site or ejected site, so that they were like, I guess the isotope ratios and that specific, like those magnesium samples that they got were seemed to be or appeared to be tuned or altered in some way, which he said that not a lot of people [SPEAKER_04]: have access to the resources to do this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if it was a hoax, they're like, that's nuts because they're like, that takes a lot of effort to kind of do this. [SPEAKER_04]: And then this, this type of isotope ratio doesn't occur on Earth. [SPEAKER_04]: So it would imply that this was engineered at the atomic level. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't occur naturally on Earth. [SPEAKER_04]: No, and it's like you would have to do it. [SPEAKER_04]: Usually you do these things for a specific purpose.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're tuning a certain element or something like that, you need it for a specific purpose, maybe propulsion, maybe some type of energy management purpose as well. [SPEAKER_01]: He also says the quote is, [SPEAKER_01]: Specifically, the ratios would be, would require deliberate isotopic enrichment, energy-intensive engineering far beyond current human capability.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's even we can't that we know of it's really difficult for even if to say if it's not just us like you could really only say it's maybe two countries that would have the wherewithal to like black budget like yeah and it would be the same five tech and more Russia or China or China maybe I don't China though but this is a this is from 1950s the sample [SPEAKER_01]: So is either somewhere. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not 915. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_05]: You asked a Russian. [SPEAKER_01]: You asked a Russian. [SPEAKER_05]: Or German. [SPEAKER_05]: Not a German. [SPEAKER_05]: That's postwork. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but maybe it's still some left over. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe it's tight. [SPEAKER_05]: Because they were in some weird shit, right? [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe it's just left over from the war or something, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: They're trying to figure out how it worked and crashed. [SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, still, I mean, you're looking at a really small list of potentials if it was human origin. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really small. [SPEAKER_01]: Uba Tuba Brazil, that's right, then. [SPEAKER_01]: I think a layered bismuth magnesium alloy has never been replicated on any lab in honor. [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's Richard that's Nolan and Jockfälle.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all boys, Jockfälle. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not claiming any quotes. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not claiming alien origin. [SPEAKER_01]: He just claims it's unexplainable and it doesn't fit our models and it warrants more investigation. [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking cool. [SPEAKER_04]: So if I feel like it's a couple of the interviews, I watch it then it's like, I feel like...
[SPEAKER_04]: or at least one of them, they're like, we're going to read a quote from you and you tell us which one is misattributed and which one was taken out of context or whatever because it's I mean a lot of these you know a lot of the clickbait articles and stuff like they'll put up stand for scientists says this is not of this earth and he's like well, you know, it's like I kind of said that but also this is what I should always have you low being like it might not be
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's Harvard scientists. [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's like, the Harvard scientists, when they say Harvard scientists, I always know it's obvious, though, if it's Stanford scientists, you're like, oh, no, it's scary, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_04]: But he's like, yeah, he's like, but he always qualifies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he always makes sure, at least some of his interviews stuff to really couch stuff, to be like, look, here's like, I'm not saying specifically, it's this. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it just looks like this and could possibly be this. [SPEAKER_04]: And from the evidence that we have, you could make that. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that implication or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like it's very easy to do that, but he's like, but I don't know for sure Yeah, I don't have all the facts and he's like more data and think more answers So I was like, I always appreciate his kind of candy with that kind of stuff But yes, it's like he's always good for the Those quick base will just like latch on to anything that he goes ahead and says, but yeah, he's he's like brain said He is like the real deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: He is the real deal scientist I mean, but you would want on this. [SPEAKER_01]: He's bringing me back into the [SPEAKER_01]: Alien Realm, just with his scientific rigor and no bullshit. [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, we don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: We should look more into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also says, in a recent interview, I think it might have been on Jordan Peterson or something like that, but the government, US government, possesses much larger samples of anonymous materials, but they haven't been made available to independent researchers. [SPEAKER_01]: So if they have, say, 70 plus years, like we're saying Roswell, let's say, let's say Roswell's the first. [SPEAKER_01]: somewhere around that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got 70-plus years of collecting this fucking anonymous material. [SPEAKER_01]: And they've only given them my tiny little piece, he's like, this is crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's more to be examined. [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_05]: because it, it makes me feel like I'm like, you know, when you have this guy saying stuff like that and then you have like, you know, these grifters like Tom Delong being like, we've had, we have access to some of this material.
[SPEAKER_05]: It makes me feel like, did he? [SPEAKER_05]: Was he working with people that maybe we're getting to look at some?
[SPEAKER_01]: with that like it just makes you wonder like if they do have this for seven plus years and say host world war two you have you know operation paperclip you get the best German scientist you have the best american scientist there were deepest level of top secret working on these materials are these maybe if you listen the bottles are excavated ancient craft let's say [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then never talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even say Bob was always back on Rogan the other week also said he elaborated a little bit more. [SPEAKER_01]: He said excavated craft from under the ocean made it even more ridiculous. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, all right, put it. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're just like, well, that would make sense. [SPEAKER_04]: This same was your time, Bob, before being like, it's like these are different ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're like, I mean, the chance of the odds are if something crashed, it would crash in the water is way higher or it was left there or something. [SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, but so water you feel like would fuck something up, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we know we drop the set of contents into the Marianas' tranche, so you know that. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we the Marianas' tranche, so we know that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we the Marianas' tranche [SPEAKER_01]: What do we got? [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they always say like we said like DARPA, you know, it was 25 years ahead of the civilian. [SPEAKER_01]: So if they had the fucking wasn't that what was the the blackbird was in the 60s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's I'm not was a mock five plane in the 60s and it looked like an alien craft, you know what I mean, like a fucking [SPEAKER_01]: Invisible the radar could fly at Mach 5 at whatever 85,000 feet in the 60s and we didn't find about that until what mid 90s or something like what do we got now? [SPEAKER_05]: What was that operation the stage just did that not too long ago where they fucking went in and killed someone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean most of the reports coming out of there were unconfirmed, but like the reports when you read them it looked it sounded like they used some fucking spit they were like people's eyes were bleeding
[SPEAKER_05]: eyes and ears were bleeding like they had no idea what was going on completely incapacitated not even a shot was fired and you're like what the fuck is that and then you find out that we have that fucking ghost murmur where they fucking track the heartbeat using a eye of a downpilet like no GPS nothing was that's real over that some propaganda shit I don't know man [SPEAKER_05]: Is that for real? [SPEAKER_05]: Like is that real?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we track what they have his heart beat recorded somewhere so they can track his Just too much yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's insane. [SPEAKER_01]: And they track it with like cell phone signal. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think life is heart beats are that. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's the beat itself or the electrical signal it gives off or something. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was possible.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, there's like a specific because I went to a cardiologist there. [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, they told me they're like, oh, like. [SPEAKER_04]: like every every heart kind as like it's specific. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a signature. [SPEAKER_04]: We have a signature. [SPEAKER_04]: It's like yours like, oh, yours is just a little bit different. [SPEAKER_04]: A little tweaked in a different way. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you're easy to be a tiny bit different than Brandon's and Zell.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's still wouldn't you wouldn't be able to look at it. [SPEAKER_02]: Be like, well, I know that's fucking dance. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that, it might be different level. [SPEAKER_01]: It might be different level. [SPEAKER_01]: They had it on microscopic level of the heartbeat or some kind. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they have it for every service member.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'm pretty sure unless they did if they didn't have it on record, like he didn't get an ECG like I wouldn't be surprised if like And you sure they couldn't just like it's like I fucking light our scan, but they can just see a human heartbeat [SPEAKER_01]: Are we sure that all those guys like that would make more sense to be in plant like fucking chip in them You know what I mean. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that would be more like a track.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll take this vaccine just take it all right. [SPEAKER_02]: No, you haven't You haven't been really makes sense to me. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't but yeah, the ghost murmur thing I thought it was like something but propaganda some but I wasn't sure I feel like if you're you're right we're the same you would we would look just the same as another person They wouldn't look any different answer. [SPEAKER_01]: We're all further down damage.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not so or not [SPEAKER_01]: Ghost murmur. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a cool, really cool name though. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's gross murmur technology. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean. [SPEAKER_01]: What did they got more than maybe it's like a combination of heart beat and some other biological fucking signature. [SPEAKER_01]: That's super unique to you. [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea. [SPEAKER_02]: But also, no, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it just detects a heartbeat from a vast distance using like, that's all it is. [SPEAKER_01]: Radio and yeah, like it's Wi-Fi wherever else waves that can find. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I, some type of, I wonder if they were able to, like, basically do like an ECG to the ground, like, hook up leads to some super sensitive ECG. [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen that I played Rainbow Six Siege. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a guy who has a heartbeat detector.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he just expanded out, like, just, it's like a little tiny one. [SPEAKER_04]: The key in his Tom Clancy was written at writing about it. [SPEAKER_02]: The long-range quantum, uh, Meg Trauma, Meg Trauma tree. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Magnets, how do they work? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, fucking crazy. [SPEAKER_05]: But like, you know, so like who knows where we are at, we're at with like actual tech that they have.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, we're well, if there is a fucking advanced species has been here long before us, or have they been here a long time? [SPEAKER_01]: Has he actually says, what are they got?
[SPEAKER_01]: magic magic like our tech like human tech to regular people is fucking magic you know what I mean magic Most of stuff we do every day like I have no idea how this is working somehow right now we're sitting in four different parts of the world talking near real time to each other I don't know how that should works
[SPEAKER_01]: I know if I can analyze it, we got a camera, it packs some data into the internet, it sends it to all you guys, it unpacks it in real time, almost, and I sure magic though. [SPEAKER_01]: If I died, or if everyone died, all these scientists died, and I'm like that one of the last people alive, and I have to explain the technology I used to have, to people like listen, we used to like, to sit and chill, but [SPEAKER_01]: thousands of kilometers away from each of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just to say it's magic. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was magic to me. [SPEAKER_01]: Some sorcerers out there in fucking Silicon Valley just cast in spells and being able to do whatever I do, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, let's talk, we got a couple more things. [SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a lot more that I came across. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think one of the main things we got to talk about, we should end on is the [SPEAKER_01]: the most credentialed UAP event ever held.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are about this? [SPEAKER_05]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's always the only thing. [SPEAKER_04]: That's like his think tank for the UAP. [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's since like that's his little thing. [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the right. [SPEAKER_04]: Is the soul foundation or is it soul? [SPEAKER_01]: Soul supposing but soul foundation. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is now. [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's his soul foundation.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like the soul symposium is like a convention or something? [SPEAKER_01]: What is that? [SPEAKER_01]: The inaugural one was in 2023 in November at Stanford. [SPEAKER_01]: And it had like the who's who of like physicist intelligence officials, aerospace engineers, [SPEAKER_01]: government policy people, philosophers of like the who's who of like the scientific community of like let's say advanced thinking or future thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: The topics were covered with like propulsion anonymous, anomalies, theoretical physics frameworks for observed UAP performance, consciousness as a variable in UAP perception, sociological implications of non-human contact and the materials [SPEAKER_01]: So I had like, it was a talking about everything we talk about, but in a scientific- It's alien con for smart people. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're definitely not getting a panel there. [SPEAKER_01]: We're not getting a panel there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: It had government officials and they spoke openly about like the gap between, like, what classified programs know and what has been disclosed. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, well, you know that fucking tick tack in those gimbal videos. [SPEAKER_01]: That's like a, that's a tiny slice the pie like that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like the point where like, all right Just show us or we're grifting again, but the fact that it's all these scientists and like actual Academics examining it really for the first time all together was pretty fucking cool So makes you think like [SPEAKER_01]: If you got all these smart people, it was like, what's the intent of nonhuman intelligence? [SPEAKER_01]: Say it is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, there's probably like the actual conference, like they're speaking. [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the back rooms, you know, like when we went to Alien Con, it was us just like looking at fucking George Naffin, like what the fuck is this guy doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's going on in the back room at this conference, they're talking about [SPEAKER_01]: classified probably stuff that we couldn't they're talking about magic in the backgrounds here but they understand they're just doing card tricks with each other yeah i mean he's on the record too saying like he believes some you a p presence is nonhuman intelligence
[SPEAKER_01]: not as he he's like it's not misidentified aircraft it's not atmospheric phenomena it's not classified human black projects it's non human intelligence and that's as far as he goes he's like I don't know what it is if it's humans like it's beyond it's even beyond him so there's smarter people than him doing it yeah
[SPEAKER_05]: love it will be interesting where it comes because like we got there's so much it feels like right now we're on the precipice to getting a lot of like new disclosure and information whether that whether or not that pans out or not you know remains to be seen but it feels that way certainly that we're going to get a bunch of stuff released to us that we've never seen right kind of like it kind of all ties together with like [SPEAKER_01]: UAP interaction may not be physical, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: With that brain receiver and stuff. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of goes like Jacques Valle, he calls it like the control system hypothesis. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've touched, but we touch on all the time, like UAPs are these aliens or whatever they are. [SPEAKER_01]: They kind of operate post or interdimensional across dimensions.
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever that means, they transcend physical space and some fashion, whether that's dimensional or whatever you name it, something, some form of magic, you know, this fucking be real here. [SPEAKER_01]: But pretty much what they're saying is like, whatever this is, if it is non-human, it's beyond our level of understanding, it's magic. [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's got this program and still continuing now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the soul, S-O-L, [SPEAKER_01]: he's got this group and they're always they're discussing the stuff all the time and he's right now he was just doing the podcast two or he's doing whole bunch of conferences so far in twenty six talking about this stuff that's cool it's not it's not George L.s. [SPEAKER_01]: on to be like I know a guy who know a guy who you got who fucking right guy doing legit
[SPEAKER_01]: he might actually bring it into the mainstream like avi lobe is doing his thing you know with the three at like okay what is this program like I remember it now avi lobes program something Galileo is it Galileo is something like his Galileo project that sounds right actually Galileo project yep led by Harvard astrophysicist avi lobe [SPEAKER_01]: This is from Harvard. [SPEAKER_04]: That was the one where they dug out, like the, yeah, the one I crash in the ocean.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that the one? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it must be. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll go. [SPEAKER_01]: The search for extraterrestrial technology signatures from extraterrestrial technological civilizations. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, it's been like chasing, yeah, then like chasing down the, you know, extra galactic or, you know, extra solar, extra solar objects, the like, come into our solar system and then like, if they crash into Earth, they're like, we gotta go find them.
[SPEAKER_04]: and I think it's fine to me and they test them and then they see if there's any, was it like the traces of extraterrestrial technology, tech traces? [SPEAKER_04]: I think that was one of the things that they were working on. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's cool stuff going on scientifically with these crazy theories really, more than just like, I was a doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I mean, I believe some of those people, some people I think are griffed in, but a lot of people we've talked about have been like, [SPEAKER_01]: that sucks and like there's nothing then the life is ruined they don't get any money they don't write a book and then their stories is trapped now in the internet lore forever with no explanation so it's pretty cool that we got people like Gary Nolan doing the lords work here yeah so interested in this in the subject
[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting and the fact that he actually doesn't really still believe whole hard at least is like something's beyond us and I'm continuing to look so I'm going to reach out. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to see if you can come on the podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say I'm going to say 99% just like his when he just found about that fucking silicon base, magnesium, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably not coming on, but we can reach out and see what happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, we've [SPEAKER_05]: you know as you can see shots you don't take we can yeah we could do a big list of like we've had the likes of Freddy Silver we've been to the right you know Richard Dolan yeah we talked to Nick Pope one time yeah hey no it we had avialo bob that's all we got to say yeah we've sat across from [SPEAKER_01]: If Abby a little bit come on, I'm sure you want to come on, right? [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, to say, tell your piece, he actually talked some shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't talk about shit. [SPEAKER_05]: He said he said, he said, he said, he said he wouldn't come on. [SPEAKER_05]: He said he's wanked. [SPEAKER_01]: He says he's cooler than you. [SPEAKER_05]: He said, good luck in that Stanford hack. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ivy League animosity there. [SPEAKER_05]: All right, do we got any new Patrons for this or so? [SPEAKER_01]: Did you read any last week? [SPEAKER_05]: No, I saved it for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: 21. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then we got at least a couple. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_05]: It's your one thing. [SPEAKER_01]: One thing. [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do? [SPEAKER_05]: We don't want to take that for me. [SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't go back, I'm back. [SPEAKER_01]: 31st. [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay, that guy who's he's in too. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got a few beauties then. [SPEAKER_05]: Hell yeah, this week's new supporters. [SPEAKER_01]: They went to patreon.com.
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