Case File 373-DARPA, LifeLog and Facebook

[SPEAKER_02]: From the Windows offices of the Pentagon, to the glass-world campuses of Menlo Park, a silent threat of DNA connects the world's most powerful dependency to the X in your pocket. [SPEAKER_02]: A secret of agency for military research has long been the forge where the future is hammered out. [SPEAKER_02]: responsible for the internet, GPS, and the very foundations of the digital age.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as the Cold War faded and the information age dawned, the agency's focus shifted from the physical battlefield to the cognitive one. [SPEAKER_02]: One before engagement metrics and algorithmic feeds became household terms. [SPEAKER_02]: Programs like LifeLog sought to create a multi-modal permanent database of a person's entire existence, their movements, their conversations, and their connections.

[SPEAKER_02]: Officially shuttered in 2004, the project's ghost seems to have found a new home in the private sector, where the data once sought by intelligence officers is now voluntarily surrendered by billions of users every single day. [SPEAKER_02]: Was the rise of social media a spontaneous cultural phenomenon? [SPEAKER_02]: Or was it the ultimate dual-use technology, perfected in a lab to map the human social graph?

[SPEAKER_02]: As we trace the venture capital back to its tactical roots and examine the psychological operations buried in our notifications, the boundary between user and subject begins to blur. [SPEAKER_02]: Is your smartphone a tool of connection or a sensor node in a global net, a behavioral engineering? [SPEAKER_02]: This casefile join the theorists as we follow the funding and unmask the architects of the digital [SPEAKER_02]: Norba Shadow, over the social web.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: It's all about accountability with this podcast now. [SPEAKER_07]: As we've been as we've been the steady slide of decline, we've been like, all right, we need to focus on who is the problem. [SPEAKER_05]: All right, I think this one because we're actually we're I don't think Andrew can tie his racism into this one Yeah, that's all we've talked about it. [SPEAKER_05]: It's seasonal.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not fair [SPEAKER_05]: just because I get fucking pale in the winter every so it's tossed around the hard racism accusations today Andrews picked well if you played if anyone's played the air craters against you, I don't know [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do you mean you don't know you're a non you're no everyone's anonymous in that game So everyone can say whatever they want Yeah, I'm not judging but what I've heard of them I'm questioning.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like there's no ending is defending his racism in the game All the way Tonight we're talking in a little DARPA brief history But mainly some modern connections with [SPEAKER_00]: some social media, we may or may not use on a regular basis, which may or may not track everything we do record everything you say. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I believe it. [SPEAKER_05]: It's real.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I don't think there's anybody that can just credit the fact that silicone valley was built by the Pentagon. [SPEAKER_00]: Not not not in the research. [SPEAKER_00]: I said. [SPEAKER_00]: I found nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no evidence Andrew zero. [SPEAKER_07]: No, it does it does It does feel like I mean we're gonna get into it, but it does feel like these were at one time Publicly government funded programs that got pushed back and they're like all right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, let's go private [SPEAKER_05]: And you're gonna fucking pay for it and agree to it. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna pay for it And the government's not gonna pay for it anymore, and now we can do whatever we want High-to-line private corporations.

[SPEAKER_05]: So essentially Silicon Valley didn't emerge Organically it was seated funded and shaped by the US military and their intelligence agencies [SPEAKER_07]: It's and just hold on just just I don't want it interrupt too much here, but oh, you're going to keep you keep saying silicone Silicone. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: Silicone. [SPEAKER_07]: Silicone. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: I thought you said silicone value and I was like, I don't think I said silicone.

[SPEAKER_07]: I thought you did. [SPEAKER_07]: Just seal it. [SPEAKER_07]: All right. [SPEAKER_05]: Continue. [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. [SPEAKER_05]: You know what you're seeing. [SPEAKER_05]: So in the early 30s and 40s, there early tech routes were in Stanford University.

[SPEAKER_05]: They sort of fostering kind of like an engineering and electronics programs, mostly done by a professor Frederick Termin, and then obviously World War II, everything jumps off when we start getting into radar communications, electronics, and Stanford and the nearby labs become this key research partners with the military. [SPEAKER_05]: And that's kind of where you see this initial military university partnership again.

[SPEAKER_05]: The U.S. Department of Defense becomes the main customer, which funds massive research programs. [SPEAKER_05]: They need missiles, guidance systems, advanced computing. [SPEAKER_05]: In the late 50s, you get the birth of the semiconductor industry and the Fair Childs semiconductor. [SPEAKER_05]: They built microtrips used in military systems and space programs. [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we've got the fake Apollo program and Cold War.

[SPEAKER_05]: The government demands a smaller, faster computers, which leads to rapid innovation. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because they had a renderer of that. [SPEAKER_07]: That's quick because they could. [SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_05]: But as we get like going in here, like we started to realize the Pentagon is the biggest tech investor in the world at this point. [SPEAKER_05]: Silicon Valley companies survive largely on defense contracts.

[SPEAKER_05]: So in the 60s and 70s, we got the ARP and the birth of the internet. [SPEAKER_05]: So the ARP is which ends up turning into DARPA, essentially. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, did you start doing these research is basically to prevent technical technological surprises during the Cold War? [SPEAKER_05]: AARP net basically is the first version of the internet. [SPEAKER_05]: Can we agree on that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, that was the first version that they started the first transfer of packets like baking information down in packets. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, basically the making of the information comes from wrapping up the information and telling you where it comes from. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is a crazy rabbit hole. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really go down too far, but I never really understood too much about packet transfer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like all these individual packets just find their own way through the network and the fastest time. [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, our reconfigured and built back up. [SPEAKER_00]: It's insane. [SPEAKER_00]: We live in a world of magic. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of like everyday tech. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, from D日本, Arpe. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, listen, yeah, magic is a key word here. [SPEAKER_07]: Magic. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, imagine. [SPEAKER_07]: Unbelievable.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_05]: It's all fucking. [SPEAKER_07]: But you tell me this stuff just pops through these little wires and two. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I have the fucking sugar packets. [SPEAKER_05]: Like you put in your coffee. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's me. [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about it. [SPEAKER_00]: So encode, decode, build that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Military is like developing these programs with universities and then you get into the 70s and 80s and the transitions to civilian tech and like the rise of the PC or the personal computer, which is super interesting because it's you know like Steve wasniac, I think he was working for HP at the time and he starts using this. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, this technology that they've used, reduce the size, you know, the processors and everything like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And basically gets the freedom to design the PC on his own. [SPEAKER_05]: With like, HPs, like, go ahead and do your thing. [SPEAKER_05]: Come up real quick. [SPEAKER_07]: Are you, are you a Packard still around? [SPEAKER_07]: I think so. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they still didn't like the home because that was like my first home Yeah, it was a few of the packers so much I think Fucking personal. [SPEAKER_03]: How's it? [SPEAKER_07]: That was a good unit back in HPs fucking 90 90.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think they declared bankruptcy HP actually, but yeah, yeah, no, they still got desktop computers. [SPEAKER_07]: I was playing like the Abbot 2 on a Hewlett Packard Yeah, they had a lot of shit. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they had a good share. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know there. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're actually main the notebooks now [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll hit everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: HP Pro Books. [SPEAKER_00]: Pro Books. [SPEAKER_04]: Is that a laptop or what's up?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for you, dude, dude, a deal. [SPEAKER_03]: Most of our, most of our deals that we use there company have about three years, life's been like, you gotta replace them with three to five years. [SPEAKER_03]: Just fucking falls apart. [SPEAKER_05]: It's a fucking point. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just plan-obsolescence, are they just fucking, I mean, the five years, I mean, the way tech moves now, it's kind of like five years, it's like, that things are dinosaur, you know.

[SPEAKER_05]: Just fucking crazy. [SPEAKER_05]: They're doing such a good job keeping us all broke. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like a time new comp, not you Andrew though. [SPEAKER_00]: Andrew's working on a 12-year-old computer. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's not a minute. [SPEAKER_05]: Any of the shit dies. [SPEAKER_05]: It's all analog for me. [SPEAKER_05]: Look, you want me to part of the podcast? [SPEAKER_03]: Don't be fucking jammed or payment plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, Andrew's going to be like, Andrew's going to get on the ham radio. [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be radioing into the show. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all he'll do. [SPEAKER_07]: He's recording on a cassette tape and mail it to Zell. [SPEAKER_05]: If you flip phone on home, I only use my fucking iPhone at work. [SPEAKER_05]: I got to handle it all the time. [SPEAKER_03]: It just looks like one of those crickets. [SPEAKER_03]: No fucking giant numbers on it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like a kid's phone. [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like a little like a hezer phone. [SPEAKER_05]: So the elderly use. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm fucking. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm disconnected, boys. [SPEAKER_05]: I'm unpluggin'. [SPEAKER_00]: say, okay, so we had the rise of ARPA turns into DARPA. [SPEAKER_00]: They have their hands in all these programs and technologies from the internet. [SPEAKER_00]: They're basically single hands.

[SPEAKER_05]: Funding all these private companies in Silicon Valley to build these companies are using military ideas and military programs. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like like GPS and Siri like Delta tech talk to voices stuff that's all that's all like Millie was first military application that then they're like, oh, we can also turn this into Give us my fast forward a little bit. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's fast forward a little bit to 2003 [SPEAKER_05]: DARPA, which we've discussed now, is issues of call for proposals to build the life-log systems. [SPEAKER_05]: So essentially what life-log, the plan for life-log was, was a digital diary of your entire life. [SPEAKER_05]: Record everything a person does, sees, says, and experiences combine it into one unified system.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right, so they basically aim to collect emails, phone calls, messages, websites, visit his TV shows, books, media consumption, GPS location tracking, financial trends, actions like credit cards and purchases, social interactions, even biometric health data for your sensors.

[SPEAKER_05]: So like anything you'd wear, your wearables, like your watches, heart rate, blood pressure, [SPEAKER_05]: Um, ensure your entire digital life and physical life continuously being recorded, your complete digital footprint. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and this is, this is like post-911. [SPEAKER_07]: So like right now, like basically 911 opened the doors for like, they're like, Patriot Gab, baby. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Hell yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: They're like, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're fucking be listening to it, right? [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's crazy because we're gonna read your fucking, they were trying to do that shit forever. [SPEAKER_05]: And there was like, fuck that. [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy. [SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, they get you a bag for it. [SPEAKER_05]: Got to get terrorists. [SPEAKER_05]: How else are we going to get him? [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever. [SPEAKER_07]: That can't happen again.

[SPEAKER_05]: Can't happen again. [SPEAKER_07]: Take all of this costs. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: Can't have towers falling without getting hit by planes again. [SPEAKER_07]: Ever again. [SPEAKER_05]: Do you do extreme heat braiden? [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. [SPEAKER_05]: Can't happen as melted. [SPEAKER_07]: Structural failure. [SPEAKER_07]: We cannot have towers coming down from a extreme heat ever again. [SPEAKER_07]: So we get those guys.

[SPEAKER_05]: They wanted to create a perfect digital memory, a creative system that could store your entire life history, you recall events like your search engine, basically results, right? [SPEAKER_05]: Anything that you've been looking up searching, the goal was near-perver recall of experiences.

[SPEAKER_05]: They wanted to understand human behavior, analyze patterns to identify habits, routines, relationships, preferences, DARPA would explicitly wanted to detect plans, goals, and other makers of intentionality.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which is dangerous because if you think about how many people just fucking shit post on online You know what I mean, and this is like a profiling tool where it's like you're saying this you're doing this You're or predicting that you're going to do this is fucking minority They're like fucking pre-crime baby.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're gonna get you for a pre-crime Well, I get send the next part which is product future at a product future actions [SPEAKER_05]: One of the most advanced goals was to use past data to predict what a person will do next. [SPEAKER_05]: And for behavior patterns and anticipate needs or decisions, early form of predictive AI based on personal data, thought, police, scary dude. [SPEAKER_05]: And then as like the future plans as they wanted to enable AI assistance, cognitive systems.

[SPEAKER_05]: AI that understands your life contacts acts like a personal assistant, full of your memory, full memory of you, important for military intelligence and human machine interaction research. [SPEAKER_05]: Gotta get ready for those 2-100s. [SPEAKER_05]: Military and intelligent applications, track individuals of interest, model human networks, analyzed behavior patterns at scale. [SPEAKER_05]: So mid to late 2003 is when you start getting public backlash, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: You get any people are sick and tired of hearing the breathing when you're on a call. [SPEAKER_07]: If you're fucking the FBI and CIA agents fucking listening to all your calls, right? [SPEAKER_03]: People are like, this is getting too much about my FBI agents divorce, like I'm trying to make it. [SPEAKER_07]: He's shy, I mean, and he's like, I feel you brother.

[SPEAKER_05]: You kind of wonder like what happened, why didn't this go forward and short civil liberties activists and organizations like the ACLU thrust it into public debate, citing the obvious privacy concerns and potential for abuse from the government and the agencies and individuals running the system. [SPEAKER_05]: There was a really good article about it and wired magazine in 2003 and that's where this program came to light.

[SPEAKER_05]: an interview in the article says I am sure that research will continue to be funded under some other title. [SPEAKER_05]: I can't imagine DARPA dropping out of such a key research area. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, right. [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder what happened after that then. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: Right. [SPEAKER_05]: But like you can see it. [SPEAKER_05]: Like you this this program is good. [SPEAKER_05]: Like masks. [SPEAKER_00]: Scary.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's mass surveillance. [SPEAKER_05]: It's government profile. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's abusive on your own people on your own people on your own people. [SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily just your own people, just yeah, every in general, as every everything an intelligence agency would want. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you will attract people in real time except I think, set public Overwatch.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if you expand the scope out from what it originally was intended to do, I think the original attention, at least what I read was that it was meant to be like something that it would be deployed mostly within the military. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was kind of one of those things where you would have your soldiers or your officers have like pretty much instant recall.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you could even [SPEAKER_03]: could be like who did I talk to about engine pair three years ago and it would tell you it would link up TPS location reports that day it would tell you exactly what you were doing and and that I think that was kind of the original intention of what it was and then if you expect of course you know you extrapolate that out so that there is one time for Facebook to just be a university fucking way of identifying people again for a reason hot year not

[SPEAKER_05]: But so, you know, all of a sudden we get everybody counting your learning. [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like, yeah, this is not okay. [SPEAKER_05]: It's an evasion of, you know, privacy, all this stuff. [SPEAKER_05]: And in 2004, there was a quiet internal shutdown. [SPEAKER_05]: And exactly on the day, February 4th, 2014. [SPEAKER_07]: Congress killed the total information at Awareness Act. [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. [SPEAKER_07]: And that was like, this program falls under that.

[SPEAKER_07]: And with killing this act, killed the funding for this program. [SPEAKER_07]: And they're like, we're not having it. [SPEAKER_07]: The public backlash was too steep. [SPEAKER_07]: And February 4th, they fucking say, no, we're not. [SPEAKER_05]: February 4th, very important day. [SPEAKER_05]: It was in the last day of lifelog. [SPEAKER_05]: It's when they completely terminated it. [SPEAKER_05]: And official response was they were changed. [SPEAKER_05]: It was a change in priorities.

[SPEAKER_05]: So what are those priorities I wanted to get into it? [SPEAKER_05]: So like DARPA the US government's foremost authority on military intelligence research and development with an annual budget of more than what fucking $3 billion Putting an extraordinary amount of effort into designing this platform right like think about all the people were involved in this how long it's been alive for

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, a platform which would track and store virtually everything needed to understand a particular human behavior, both broadly and individually, a platform that just so happened to embody all the features of privatized social media years before it would fully come to pass. [SPEAKER_05]: Platform that was considered so are overreaching and its privacy concerns that it would never be allowed to propagate through a government project, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: No way, this is complete breach of fucking personal privacy. [SPEAKER_05]: Now, this was completely brought to end on February 4th. [SPEAKER_05]: The same fucking day that the lights went on at the fucking Facebook. [SPEAKER_00]: The Facebook, Zuckerberg and the fucking Facebook, right? [SPEAKER_07]: The Book of Faces. [SPEAKER_07]: But that's, it's insane to me because I'm like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, sure, on one hand, you can say weird coincidence, but at the same time when you look at the public backlash, I'm like, you had this project that was known about that had civilian oversight and the backlash, [SPEAKER_07]: Like, closes the door, they're like, no, absolutely not. [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, in my head, I go, what a genius move.

[SPEAKER_07]: If you're going to then privatize the same thing you're going to do, now you don't answer to fucking anyone other than shareholders. [SPEAKER_07]: And if you're a fucking majority shareholder, you know, have people that were in this program, they can't no one can do fucking nothing. [SPEAKER_07]: And you can still accomplish the same fucking goals.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's crazy when you look at it too because it's like you look at Facebook itself and it is, it, it, it's a service that perfectly fits the description of fucking light. [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, it just happened. [SPEAKER_05]: It's literally exactly the fucking same. [SPEAKER_05]: And then me, that's the only difference is is your green to it. [SPEAKER_05]: You're accepting it.

[SPEAKER_05]: They fucking do a big fucking convoluter right up that none of us read when we were fucking what? [SPEAKER_05]: 13 when this came out. [SPEAKER_05]: and just processed okay and then all of a sudden we uploaded our information for them. [SPEAKER_05]: We just agreed to it ourselves, did the work for them. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, especially now, like Facebook, like if you open Facebook on your phone, it tracks you across all apps, tracks all your fucking data, all by terms of service.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's literally doing what, you know, lifelogg was planning to do and wanted to do. [SPEAKER_07]: And you know, with no, with no overwatch other than shareholder. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, do you know what I would side investor was a Facebook? [SPEAKER_06]: I know. [SPEAKER_06]: Peter was one of them. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, dude. [SPEAKER_06]: He was the first outside investor. [SPEAKER_07]: Right. [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, honestly, Peter feel now is fucking real talent here.

[SPEAKER_07]: What's just like here in, in Q cell, right, which is a fucking CIA program. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's not forget what Palantir is. [SPEAKER_07]: It's the fucking all-seeing orbs in more things than anyone, anyone who has them can see all the other ones. [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, I'm like, this mother fucker was involved all along, right? [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, he was just behind the scenes as an angel investor coming in.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I'm going to help you kind of push this [SPEAKER_07]: into the exact same fucking thing that they lifelogged was planning to do. [SPEAKER_07]: We've seen companies do this with like GPS and stuff, and then make civilian application. [SPEAKER_07]: They're making a civilian application for lifelogs, right? [SPEAKER_07]: With no fucking government Overwatch, no POT like civilian Overwatch, because it's a private company.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like it's to be honest, it's kind of a fucking genius move. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Tom's cool. [SPEAKER_03]: Tom was like, since my space was so big before, and then Tom was like, no, never. [SPEAKER_03]: I would never. [SPEAKER_05]: This is why you call it a price. [SPEAKER_05]: When this, I remember reading somewhere, when Facebook was, you know, coming to existence and gaining momentum, getting popular, like, yeah, who tried to buy it for like a billion dollars?

[SPEAKER_05]: And Zock was like, no, can't do it. [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't know what to do with the money. [SPEAKER_05]: Can't sell it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's well, like that's talk about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about that because so Zuckerberg First, I mean everyone's if remember remember the movie the the fake documentary of Facebook all bullshit It was face face mash first right the year before yeah, and he says he stole that code from those fucking giant brothers With yeah, anyway, so that could shut down and in January of 2004 he begins to self code supposedly his own

[SPEAKER_00]: new, new site called the Facebook, and then as we said on February 4th, just a month later, it launches to almost instant success. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's originally only, you know, it's only Harvard first, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And then it would slowly spread to other Ivy League schools, and then eventually by the next year or two, it was in every, buddy, they targeted the kids. [SPEAKER_07]: They knew they knew how to fucking get us, man. [SPEAKER_07]: They targeted.

[SPEAKER_07]: us as kids. [SPEAKER_07]: I remember the first people like I remember meeting some of those like the other Facebook account as I don't even know what the fuck that is. [SPEAKER_05]: They're like camera when they sign me up for it and fucking it was an arts class. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and then we can all say can connect it. [SPEAKER_07]: I was like holy shit, but like going into that movie.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've always it's it's so funny because when we got into this I've had this thought before watching this move I was like why did this like social network gets a good movie? [SPEAKER_07]: It's fine, but I'm like why did that need a movie? [SPEAKER_07]: I always thought that I was like why did the fucking who it was like who was fucking clamoring for the fucking movie? [SPEAKER_07]: Facebook the movie, you know what I mean like who want to hate a paint their fuck right?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's weird if you know when you look at it as like this is a straight fucking Propaganda patient baby right hundred percent propaganda piece.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like all right Well this fucking makes sense now is they want to throw you off and be like oh yeah This is a this was a hundred percent this fucking you know this home growth as like no I was like this has fucking CIA and fucking [SPEAKER_00]: black budget written all over now because I couldn't find the answer so maybe you guys got it. [SPEAKER_00]: So Zuckerberg, let's say he's a shield connection.

[SPEAKER_00]: So who is like, how Zuckerberg and why does he have a father in the military? [SPEAKER_00]: Does he not? [SPEAKER_07]: No, it's Peter Thiel. [SPEAKER_07]: I would say it's Peter Thiel coming in. [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably not for face man. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, but Peter that all the investment happened after it launched.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I launched he thought it was as good supposedly the story is he just launched it and it just blew up and what and after all this and now there's so he needed capital to grow the servers. [SPEAKER_00]: He needed business. [SPEAKER_00]: That's when Peter deal came in had to make it an afternoon as possible. [SPEAKER_00]: The way. [SPEAKER_05]: They had to make it look as organic as possible the growth. [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't want to fucking cost me red flags.

[SPEAKER_05]: They had already been in shit fucking. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's, so we have, so we have, so we have the shutdown of life log conveniently on the exact same day of the launch of Facebook. [SPEAKER_00]: By couldn't, like, is there a whistleblower that can, what's the connection to Zuckerberg? [SPEAKER_00]: How, how to get to him was the back room, like, someone handed him the code in a hard drive.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it went or it was all done and they just suck his name on it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like listen man, if you go along with this, you'll be the face and you're going to make a trillion dollars. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, look at most awkward fucking weirdo we could find a rich isn't that a guy you could manipulate easy like with some money and you're like, you're going to build you're going to build this thing. [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to follow your dreams.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of the, I mean, it's, I mean, it's, I mean, it's a top school, like, I mean, you, I would imagine there's a lot of people who get recruited out of that. [SPEAKER_05]: They probably have a fucking little farm team for the CIA in Harvard. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they have, like, what is it that the Harvard, the Crimson? [SPEAKER_03]: They guys pay for that interview.

[SPEAKER_05]: They got a farm team at Harvard, and they get all these kids, and they, you have your fitness standards, and you have to be able to do at least no more than 10 push-ups. [SPEAKER_06]: You can't do a pull-up, you do a pull-up, you're out. [SPEAKER_06]: Fuck off. [SPEAKER_06]: Bye. [SPEAKER_06]: It's crazy that I'm going to have to have asthma. [SPEAKER_07]: They must hate Zuck now, they're like, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_07]: Stuckets. [SPEAKER_07]: That's fucking nuts, bro.

[SPEAKER_03]: Dude. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get out of Facebook as completely taken over exactly what social media like used to be. [SPEAKER_03]: I used to be choices. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you did have my space and you had, what was it live journal? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh my god. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, buddy. [SPEAKER_02]: We're not doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: So we'd start looking at this. [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, I didn't get it. [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I've never next.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I was like, even Zuckerberg had a live journal account, like back then, you know, blocking about this stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's wild.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, the fact that Facebook has completely, [SPEAKER_03]: take it over at that point and like Andrew said yeah it's it's strange to see the change like Zuckerberg's like yeah like he turned down Yahoo money and now he's like building a African, you know building a compound on the Hawaiian island that he owns like 90% of his lives. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's wild. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what does he know? [SPEAKER_00]: as far as like, so let's say that's the theory.

[SPEAKER_00]: Zuckerberg is the, he's their guy. [SPEAKER_00]: He's their connection. [SPEAKER_00]: Life law goes offline. [SPEAKER_00]: Facebook comes online. [SPEAKER_00]: It spreads in the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Within like one year, it was like millions of accounts. [SPEAKER_00]: Within like three years, like half a North America, a fucking Facebook account.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be the phrase, the fastest growing product maybe of all time besides now AI is probably I will I will see that the February 4th date might be a happy coincidence for this. [SPEAKER_04]: There's a fun [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just I'm just I can see maybe maybe but I'm saying Peter feels involvement in Facebook directly connects this to like a DARPA project. [SPEAKER_05]: So you add Peter feel and then you you add the start date and you gotta be like come on.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah and then to me I'm like adding Peter feel and then what Facebook morphs into?

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you know what I mean because then like once you have all these investors that can then control where fate where like it's directed then it's like okay now we're just now hey look we're taking this we are like the government already the military already had this let's apply this to Facebook I didn't want to I have a friend a friend of a friend and he has taken courses and I only this only popped into my head because of

[SPEAKER_07]: this topic, but he's told me before he's like, man, fuck, don't use Facebook. [SPEAKER_07]: Don't use it. [SPEAKER_07]: Don't put anything on there. [SPEAKER_07]: And he says he goes to like training seminars where they are like, they're like doing like open source investigative techniques and stuff. [SPEAKER_07]: And they'll be like, hey, Facebook leaves back doors open for law enforcement.

[SPEAKER_07]: They change out, they close these, you know, these, you know, fucking glitches and stuff. [SPEAKER_07]: But they always open another once for us. [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, we always know about him. [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, man, are they just secretly like fucking, it just kind of like, [SPEAKER_07]: like Facebook kind of closes these doors and like law enforcement and military he's like back to all this shit and look at all your information doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you can go on fucking an AI platform and plan a mass school shooting to a T and nobody alerts the fucking law enforcement. [SPEAKER_05]: No, no. [SPEAKER_05]: It's just the most insane thing I've ever heard in my life. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's, let's talk about Facebook then as a, the new lifelock. [SPEAKER_00]: The, let's say, hey, guys, what do you do? [SPEAKER_00]: The ailments tell as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to show, like I want to, I just kind of went into like, how they track you, everyone knows you're being tracked, everyone knows like you say something in all the sudden you're getting fucking ads for whatever you're talking about, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So not only do they track every comment and like how much time you spend viewing each. [SPEAKER_00]: piece of content. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all logged.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your age and your location, all the relationships that people you interact with, that's all part of what they build your profile. [SPEAKER_00]: All the messages, and then an millions of millions, like almost probably every website now, Facebook has pixels. [SPEAKER_00]: So every time you visit that website, it reports back to Facebook, it starts building a profile. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where you get targeted ads. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, full fungus. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Any time you log into Facebook, you start preparing 30 apps, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So like there's all like you can log in to either through your email or Facebook or maybe a couple other things. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all logs. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm now they know everything about you. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and that's what Palantir, I'm like, is fucking do, I'm like, I'm sure Palantir has like fucking back door into everything. [SPEAKER_07]: It's all military application.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's in the fucking name. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it goes farther though. [SPEAKER_00]: All those like like on Facebook on that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all on there. [SPEAKER_00]: Then it also has requests to your location. [SPEAKER_00]: So your GPS, your context, your camera. [SPEAKER_05]: Talk to the need to know where you're like. [SPEAKER_05]: That's why you're microphone. [SPEAKER_03]: I think give you recommendations based on your location.

[SPEAKER_00]: Facebook is one of the only apps that you can delete. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's still on your phone. [SPEAKER_00]: It's tracking you even if you turn it off. [SPEAKER_04]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dude. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking the craziest one. [SPEAKER_05]: Everything you've actually seen is all part of the fucking life-lock. [SPEAKER_05]: These are all things that they wanted to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Which they are now saying.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to go off, you've got to take your SIM card out of your phone. [SPEAKER_03]: But then they can hard now. [SPEAKER_03]: You can take your SIM card out of your phone now. [SPEAKER_03]: It's used to be, you know, you could just pop out the battery, pop out the SIM card, boom, gun, or like little self-lip thing you can pop it out. [SPEAKER_03]: Now like the SIM card usually is like integrated into the phone. [SPEAKER_00]: Because they don't want you to think about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The more though, there's more ways to track you. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me keep, or yeah, keep it going. [SPEAKER_05]: To press us more, please, Zell. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_00]: All your device indicators, all the advertising IP IDs and IP addresses you visit are all sent back to Facebook. [SPEAKER_00]: That's building your online profile. [SPEAKER_00]: So if this is a government surveillance agency, let's say it owns it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hypothetically, we don't really know 100%. [SPEAKER_00]: They know everything about you, your whole, even if you're not, [SPEAKER_00]: on Facebook all the time, but you have Facebook on your phone, or you have a phone in your using the internet. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all being sent back to Facebook. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter if you're on the app or not. [SPEAKER_00]: They also buy data from other data brokers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So all your purchase history, credit card data, and all your public records are on there. [SPEAKER_00]: So they keep building a profile and they enrich your profile with everything in your life. [SPEAKER_00]: They know everything about you. [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you don't think I don't really use Facebook, doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then it's not even just holy about like collecting the data and having the data there and giving the regular recommendations is like the stuff that they want you to buy, but then it's also what is it called?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's called the ontology where it's like they take all the the whole life log with well like the ontology what the life log was supposed to do was to take all of those and then [SPEAKER_03]: take all of those data points and then create, you know, these, you know, predictions of intentionality, where it's going to be like, yeah, like we can predict what you're going to do based on all of these actions that you do where you go, what you read, who you are, all these things.

[SPEAKER_05]: We can do all this.

[SPEAKER_05]: That dancing and Zell saying in the glass you go in your Facebook right now and in capital letters You right I do not give these for from us I like this tell it I want to see every one of our listeners copy and face in the following You not give Facebook permission to use me as an any tool I think I've done that at least I just started a new copy and paste just got my dad dude [SPEAKER_00]: We should do a new copy and paste trend where we put in all caps.

[SPEAKER_00]: Facebook is a CI-owned corporation invested on by Peter Teele on by Palantir and then they just list out all the shit we've been talking about and post it. [SPEAKER_00]: See what happens. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there we go. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's do that next Monday when it comes up. [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to, we'll do a copy paste. [SPEAKER_07]: Something to see. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm going to pop you and paste this.

[SPEAKER_07]: And how many of my friends will actually, how many of my real friends will actually share this? [SPEAKER_00]: If you thought we were a shadow band on Facebook, we're about to be completely literate. [SPEAKER_07]: So the other thing I wanted to bring out, this is fucking recent, like in the last, when did I read this? [SPEAKER_07]: On the 19th, okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: So you know how fucking, like if there's levels to conspiracy theorists and alarmists, I would say like we're fucking mid-range. [SPEAKER_07]: Like there's the extreme ones that are fucking going crazy, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Redfield Boys, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: And there's, there's some, [SPEAKER_07]: right some of the same what have been some of the same right yeah 15-minute cities they're gonna cry you're not gonna be able to leave your areas right that's been a big one let's pop it up I don't see any conspiracy there no right wait here's what I'm saying brother dude on on March let me just pull the dates because I actually wrote this down because I thought I started getting into it I was like this is so fucking crazy um

[SPEAKER_07]: an AI cow color start up called halter and what they do is they make the specialty devices that track livestock movement. [SPEAKER_07]: So you you put all your cattle into this basically smart color and you no longer need to do any kind of fencing. [SPEAKER_07]: So what this what this AI does is it tracks the movement [SPEAKER_07]: And you can keep the cows together like able fucking round. [SPEAKER_07]: The colors will vibrate and move and push the cows together.

[SPEAKER_07]: You don't even need to, they're taking the cheap dogs, boys. [SPEAKER_07]: They're taking the cheap dogs, right? [SPEAKER_07]: The cow dogs are taking the dogs. [SPEAKER_07]: They're taking the dogs, jobs. [SPEAKER_07]: All right. [SPEAKER_07]: We need the dogs alone. [SPEAKER_00]: And to the fence, you don't even need the dogs. [SPEAKER_07]: You don't even need fences. [SPEAKER_07]: You can open your fucking smart phone, open the app.

[SPEAKER_07]: And you can draw the fence line on your property of where you want these cows to stay and these colors will fucking zap them and push your cows to stay together and stay in the zone. [SPEAKER_04]: The next season of fucking Yellowstone's gonna suck. [SPEAKER_04]: This fucking cow's around their phones. [SPEAKER_07]: Listen to this. [SPEAKER_07]: This start-up. [SPEAKER_07]: This start-up that just started came out of fucking nowhere.

[SPEAKER_07]: Has just opened to a $2 billion valuation using GPS enabled device that it's calling a [SPEAKER_07]: Nice. [SPEAKER_07]: And it has $2 billion. [SPEAKER_03]: It has a single fucking angel investor. [SPEAKER_07]: A single fucking angel investor. [SPEAKER_07]: Can you guess who that single fucking angel investor are his name, so TNT? [SPEAKER_07]: Say it.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, Peter's field, Peter's field, this company is like they're saying it's going to be the biggest fucking agriculture company now in history overnight to be fair, to be fair, to be fair, most tech companies say that they're going to be the biggest thing. [SPEAKER_07]: Look, every single time, dude, you just, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

[SPEAKER_07]: people don't say that you're doing $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,

[SPEAKER_07]: Like when I was reading this articles like that's crazy, and then I started reading this and I started thinking I was like They're gonna do that to us. [SPEAKER_07]: They're getting it. [SPEAKER_07]: We're next. [SPEAKER_07]: We're the fucking cattle boys Pound theory is gonna be making sure none of us fucking leave.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're gonna have closed borders Yeah, we're not gonna even pass through asking us like they're tracking the cows [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean it's pretty easy to be like if you want to increase foot traffic somewhere You just put out a social media message. [SPEAKER_03]: It says like, hey, there's gonna be a limited edition Labubu here at this store at this time and then you get like people We're gonna have we're on the brink of an energy fucking pandemic.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's gonna be massive energy crisis Too much we got our energy vaccines [SPEAKER_05]: You're gonna make you and that's gonna be your little fucking hat for cattle. [SPEAKER_00]: I do. [SPEAKER_00]: I can go deep on this conspiracy rabbit hole with all this But we're gonna take a short break. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna cool down a second and we're gonna come back Right, you're gonna fucking we're gonna go for it. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be really careful.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, look at the cold street, baby All right, we're back [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, um, yeah, we were talking about the Calgary rhythm. [SPEAKER_07]: So I like I think this is, okay people say like Elon Musk and all his companies and stuff are fucking [SPEAKER_07]: you know, design to and for living on Mars. [SPEAKER_07]: Like if you look at everything he's doing, you've got, you know, the tunnels. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the robotics that are going to have to be working there.

[SPEAKER_07]: You got the fucking boring system, we're just going to have to dig tunnels and Mars. [SPEAKER_07]: You got the autopilot. [SPEAKER_05]: Like every, every, playing thoroughly for the fucking Martians. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, almost everything I pre-volved cockroaches. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, everything he's involved with is like, basically to colonize Mars. [SPEAKER_07]: When you look at everything Peter feels involved with, you're like, holy shit dude, what are you gonna do to us?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's your plan? [SPEAKER_00]: His whole thing is to enslave humanity. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's the Antichrist, isn't he? [SPEAKER_00]: It does feel that way. [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't he have the four part series on the Antichrist? [SPEAKER_03]: How to become the Antichrist? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no. [SPEAKER_03]: Four part series on how to become the Antichrist. [SPEAKER_07]: It was just like the four private seminars on the Antichrist. [SPEAKER_07]: Four or five private invite.

[SPEAKER_05]: explaining why he's not the Antichrist. [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's already got to know what people are expecting. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: To avoid that. [SPEAKER_03]: So people don't recognize it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the secret. [SPEAKER_00]: Lecture on the Antichrist in Rome. [SPEAKER_00]: Secret Lecture. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Invite all that, believe. [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, don't, they're expecting the market to be. [SPEAKER_03]: So don't show that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, I can't. [SPEAKER_05]: Peter Thiel, six, six, at Hotmail. [SPEAKER_03]: But I want to keep the word that one and the myathon, like you want to keep them separate. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to keep them separate. [SPEAKER_03]: Big yeah, keep them in a separate room. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't, don't, don't people see that right away. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, this is a, this is a fun little rabbit hole I went down. [SPEAKER_07]: Pete, speaking to Peter Thiel and shit.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's been like a cult and like a cultism and like you know magic all involved in Silicon Valley [SPEAKER_07]: since day one, right? [SPEAKER_07]: You had Jack Parsons with Jet Propulsion Lab Rocketman. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Rocketman himself. [SPEAKER_05]: And he was like himself up when he was working with Israel. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he had Tony Stark. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he was a hardcore Thelamite occultist like huge Alistair Crowley guy.

[SPEAKER_07]: He even had I think he had like correspondence with them tons, right? [SPEAKER_07]: Like the guy Jack Parsons. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we talked about it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we talked about it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we talked about it. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, practice sex magic. [SPEAKER_07]: Like he was he was [SPEAKER_07]: He signed letters as Frater Bellarayan, the anti-Christ. [SPEAKER_05]: Right, like he did do. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he did. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just do the stuff now, you're making calgrisms and job collars for them, you know, and now you're nerdos, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But you were like, you're putting on robes and you were just like, you're like, you're like, going, yeah, it's never that shit. [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's where they were trying to. [SPEAKER_05]: It was his big ritual that he tried. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they were trying to summon the goddess. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I do.

[SPEAKER_07]: But see, but then when I look at this, like, you look at the occultism in Silicon Valley. [SPEAKER_07]: And if you, if you kind of like, [SPEAKER_07]: look at the stuff like like Peter feels into and stuff and like if you look at it through the lens of that do what that will and stuff you're like I feel like there's people just do we know I would argue that with the Silicon Valley that you have now is a direct result of getting great of all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: that they can't down on that. [SPEAKER_03]: And now you just have all this loser stuff about surveillance.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_07]: All this shit, it doesn't make sense, it's fucking magic.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then when we look at like them to me, we look at this shit and they're like, you know, they were attempting to summon spirits. [SPEAKER_07]: Some people are like, or summon entities. [SPEAKER_07]: Some people are belief that like the, all these people that are involved in this like big AI rush, it's like, this is to summon an entity. [SPEAKER_07]: That's what we're doing. [SPEAKER_07]: We are creating an entity.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like we are summoning something up through the digital realm that is going to exist. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and it's like I was like oh my god. [SPEAKER_07]: I was like this is all still part of the occult and it's just like AI is just Did not know what it is ritual summoning because we live in a digital universe [SPEAKER_00]: a simulation, if you will, and these people have discovered that they can communicate with the creator.

[SPEAKER_07]: And that would make sense if we're in a simulation that they're like, okay, well, listen, jerking off on a crackers and eating, it's not working. [SPEAKER_07]: We've got to, you know, we've got to try something else. [SPEAKER_07]: The second is it working. [SPEAKER_03]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_03]: We're all having a good time. [SPEAKER_03]: I would say I'm a material girl, a material world. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, Madonna.

[SPEAKER_05]: here's my so you're saying cow you're fixated on cow we've talked about cow rhythm you're talking about summoning we're talking about black magic what about bulls what about ball ball ball they're trying to summon ball the old canonization fucking devil's god [SPEAKER_05]: But that would make sense like if we're in a simulation. [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't ball like the big fucking bad? [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't you do like somebody cool. [SPEAKER_03]: Like as Modi is sort of batiful mad.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like as Andrew came and I told you to He referred to as the Lord Storm. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like the utility and rain. [SPEAKER_03]: They're like the hip, you know, the Silicon crowd is like they're not going to stick that up. [SPEAKER_03]: It was stuff like you and I had to be out of that. [SPEAKER_03]: Like now we're going to move towards more like, you know, the cool devils. [SPEAKER_03]: And dinner. [SPEAKER_07]: It would make sense. [SPEAKER_07]: It's a really good point.

[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't think that if we're in a simulation, the only way to communicate and actually summon another entity in this world would be to some digital way of doing it, which is what AI would be, be the connection between this thing and our world. [SPEAKER_07]: We're opening a door essentially. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because everything, like we convert everything to digital technology now, and now we [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't just want me to just shut down their own t-shirt world. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do like $80 billion later, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a shut down that her eyes is. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they made a ship on a right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're all going to be good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: There's probably a bunch of other universes, just like ours that were garbage at first. [SPEAKER_00]: And it tossed those away. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're one, number one. [SPEAKER_05]: You know, as Scott Lestdorky became less successful. [SPEAKER_07]: It's true. [SPEAKER_07]: He's talking about the board. [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I mean, I mean, that's a crazy statement because has he become, what's his net worth? [SPEAKER_07]: What do we see here?

[SPEAKER_03]: He's shifted over to what now. [SPEAKER_03]: He's USC fighting. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a, he's a, he's a just surfing. [SPEAKER_03]: Why should he? [SPEAKER_03]: He's a black belt. [SPEAKER_00]: He's only worth two hundred. [SPEAKER_05]: He's always wearing those sick oversized t-shirts, you know, and the fucking cool poooka shell necklaces and shit. [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a pistol. [SPEAKER_00]: He's still sick to list it as the second or third publicly.

[SPEAKER_07]: We should bring those back boys. [SPEAKER_07]: We shall get poooka shell necklaces for the show.

[SPEAKER_07]: can they can the podcast afford to no, that's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[SPEAKER_05]: Can we do it? [SPEAKER_07]: He's all right. [SPEAKER_07]: If you're looking at the budget, can we afford the Pugusha and the shark teeth? [SPEAKER_07]: We could get one of those, maybe. [SPEAKER_07]: One. [SPEAKER_05]: We could share it. [SPEAKER_05]: Each one of us could get a way in a restaurant and that'd be great. [SPEAKER_05]: All right. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm into this. [SPEAKER_07]: I'm into getting one Pugusha necklace and then sending it express postage across the continent.

[SPEAKER_07]: We can all buy him for $17. [SPEAKER_00]: Going to ship it for $35 every time. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I like it. [SPEAKER_07]: All right, can we get Zell, is it in the budget to get Pugashell necklaces and instead of shark teeth, we get an ATT logo? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, of course, that's the truth. [SPEAKER_07]: We buy them, we'll buy them for $16. [SPEAKER_07]: We're where them, and then we'll sell show worn poochial mixes for $42.99.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a good, that's a good marketing thing. [SPEAKER_00]: We should sell all our show worn merch. [SPEAKER_07]: All right, if you want a poochial necklace, and you want to come in with the sweat steaks. [SPEAKER_07]: And the greatest thing is we've already kind of planned this. [SPEAKER_07]: We've got all sizes. [SPEAKER_07]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_07]: I'll also sell you my sauna boxers. [SPEAKER_08]: You're not in there naked.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I got a renter, you never know if she's in a fuckin' It's a fan, they're coming to the sun They'd sign up, they'd sign up, they'd sign up When we get in the afternoon, we're gonna talk, we're gonna talk, we're gonna talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll

[SPEAKER_00]: But Andrews are talking about 15-minute cities, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And how would they do a 15-minute city? [SPEAKER_00]: We have GPS, right? [SPEAKER_00]: The next step, if we'll talk to about it, is that some type of digital dollar, crypto currency that can be tracked and manipulated. [SPEAKER_00]: It can be tracked and your bank account turned off if you don't follow these specific rules. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you went outside the 15-minute city.

[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, you can't pay. [SPEAKER_07]: You have no money. [SPEAKER_07]: You have your money is only in the parameters where they are. [SPEAKER_00]: They try and expand the housing prices so much that no one could afford, except the billionaire, super elite. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, won't all the houses, too. [SPEAKER_00]: You won't know nothing. [SPEAKER_05]: Or you have in certain parts of fucking Western Canada, where they're taking your property away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not yet, but they might. [SPEAKER_00]: It's coming. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they're devaluing your property to the point where it's worth fucking nothing. [SPEAKER_05]: You can't get mortgages anymore, but there are people getting kicked off of them. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you've got a little far there. [SPEAKER_00]: You can still get a mortgages. [SPEAKER_05]: Current.

[SPEAKER_05]: But places and richmans, there was guys who tried and working at it right now, and they're having problems. [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody's working with them. [SPEAKER_00]: I bet you're talking we're talking about the Vancouver one, the Richmond one was tiny the Vancouver one is is big. [SPEAKER_00]: He is. [SPEAKER_00]: He is. [SPEAKER_02]: He will be a property man. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if like if you start tying all these conspiracies together, the super elite. [SPEAKER_00]: you know the top the 1% of the 1% of the 1%, the people who make the global order, the rules of the global order. [SPEAKER_07]: Could you imagine if that's why they're doing that to devalue property and then they're like, well, no one wants to buy them because your land rights are not, are not sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then black rights like, I guess we'll take, we'll take that risk off you for fucking, you know, 20% less with the property thought you'd have. [SPEAKER_07]: And they kill, yeah, we don't care about you. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't care about what you do to get it for a try. [SPEAKER_00]: You try and get it back now. [SPEAKER_00]: You fucking try and get that property back.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you have all these, we've talked about, I don't think we've actually done a case fall on, like a gen to 2030, like, yeah, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So you have all the gen to 2030, or when I read the talk. [SPEAKER_00]: So that has to deal with the push, there was this huge, it's kind of falling off a bit now, but like the pushing of the EV vehicles.

[SPEAKER_00]: right attached to the electrical grid and the conspiracy starts stemming like all of you you don't own the car if they turn off your electricity you can't charge the cars you can't drive the car all of these like major conspiracies let's say. [SPEAKER_00]: If you really go all the way, full red pill, the scale is slid all the way to the right. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't believe anything anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: You could say that these super wealthy people who own these companies that originally were like the CIA, Life Log and now Facebook, they own all your data, they know everything about you, they know of access to your bank account, they have access to your transportation, they have access, they own and control your housing, they own and control your food supply. [SPEAKER_00]: They own and control all the banking.

[SPEAKER_00]: They own a few, let's say like a hundred or a couple hundred individuals will slew on most of the world's wealth. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, isn't I right? [SPEAKER_07]: Isn't I ran one of the last countries? [SPEAKER_07]: It's not doesn't have like a Roth child lead, probably like banking. [SPEAKER_07]: That's something I always hear about. [SPEAKER_05]: I have a lot of them in countries. [SPEAKER_05]: That's one of the main speakers you go around.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just tell you hear that, but like I also don't think Roth child's own central banks are most countries. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Roth child's style of central bank that's used.

[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't isn't Israel given to the Ross Charles I read that on reddit one day here we go Here's the racist time right Oh, you almost made it They had nicknames for them Yeah, and a knock we thought we black slaves all right, we couldn't get there [SPEAKER_00]: We got there, but that's what I'm saying, like the this grand conspiracy of like the Uber elite who own everything trying to control of humanity There's some things you big

[SPEAKER_00]: In a way, you are, I don't think it's British. [SPEAKER_00]: There's another level of society. [SPEAKER_07]: I think we want to preserve that I do not believe anything other than that. [SPEAKER_07]: There's a, there's an access to another level of society that money and wealth gets you, that we can't even fathom. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we've talked about it just briefly. [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it before like just Epstein. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, two tier justice system.

[SPEAKER_00]: The crime that he committed, if any one of us did would be,

[SPEAKER_00]: the Mac sentence you could get whatever it's like two years good but so he gets one year he gets to go to work he gets the lightest sentence you could ever think about he has he's protected by like his publicist does a really good job of keeping his name out of the paper and like only you don't really hear about it not much and it's not until finally he's actually convicted for the major crime that you get really hear about so there is different rules of society even the government

[SPEAKER_00]: can really if you did anything the government does as a person you fucking you can't just go to your neighbor's house and blow something up but you can go to a different country and blow them up. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_07]: Can it start to heal? [SPEAKER_07]: They had that home invasion in Toronto where the guy fucking blasts us up. [SPEAKER_07]: Right and the fucking boat.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right and the home invasion four guys came in and guy started blasting them and normally in Canada you're like brother you're done. [SPEAKER_07]: You're fucking done you protected yourself. [SPEAKER_07]: No charges on your front. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you're supposed to sign and you're supposed to hand them your fire I'm and say please don't hurt me. [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this guy fired up on them and received no charges I was like hey, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a good.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little bit of good precedent, then you know we're back, baby back. [SPEAKER_00]: You can pass a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: You can blast them with a gun. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't legally own [SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it must have been like a shotgun or something illegal. [SPEAKER_07]: I can't get emails from the RCMP. [SPEAKER_07]: It'd be like this is your last chance turning your firearm And I'm like which one?

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, I don't think I have do I have an illegal firearm? [SPEAKER_07]: Is that why you keep mentioning it? [SPEAKER_07]: Like how does it know because there's no register? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was like, what the fuck? [SPEAKER_07]: Why do I keep getting these emails? [SPEAKER_00]: Just a stupid fucking profile. [SPEAKER_06]: That's why. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, technically I gave my guns to my dad there at his house.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not mine anymore [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it does matter. [SPEAKER_04]: The dairy to come from there. [SPEAKER_07]: Next you're going to be coming for my fucking brass, not cool silly fucking plastic. [SPEAKER_07]: And my throwing stars. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I really wish I would've got that hang grenade light or home from Vietnam that one time. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was so cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, I'm just talking about it like this global conspiracy. [SPEAKER_00]: You hear about all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: And the longer time goes on, you're like a conspiracy. [SPEAKER_00]: Do I think it's going to get to the point [SPEAKER_00]: that actually happens. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so personally, but I think it's just going to keep tiptoeing that way that people are going to keep consolidating so much massive wealth. [SPEAKER_05]: You could do whatever they want.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's no chance because think about how many jacked up jawed rams we're going to have with Canadian flags flying and stickers. [SPEAKER_05]: Right, there's no the resistance to time the fuck all resistance brother is called trucker truckers Truckers do we cake do we want do we this question as a guest do we want a grassroots member of the hell?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the truckers on the board for this [SPEAKER_05]: how racist is the on the scale from one to 10 not beauty great guy uh... uh... can you get into can you get into a little bit about everything like the horn pattern that you do is best used to change we got rid of his number he's number like fifteen in the trucker like signing up for the trucker rally like frozen bank account everything [SPEAKER_05]: Hi. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like create him fighter. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's a beauty. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's one of the same. [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't have to be in the boss. [SPEAKER_05]: So I have to. [SPEAKER_07]: Does he have a, does he have a book or sickle that says like one of the fringe minority with like unreasonable views? [SPEAKER_05]: No, but he is one. [SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't have to fucking put it on display. [SPEAKER_00]: People just know him. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: It's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but he has to come in this studio. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he would for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: He's lucky. [SPEAKER_00]: So I can use all this cool gear. [SPEAKER_00]: I had never used. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what else that's pretty much all I had Mike like conspiracy of the global conspiracy it's far reaching conspiracy seems to tip towing closer and closer every day is it is bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't personally think it will be as bad as.

[SPEAKER_07]: You will have as 904 made it made it seem to be. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it'll be fun. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it'll be fun to not know anything and I'll be happy and I can just it'll be fun to go visit your friends and be like, unfortunately, my bank card doesn't work here. [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be fun to get money from the government until they don't like what I say, then they turn off the funding and now I'm screwed. [SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't like podcasts.

[SPEAKER_05]: Bill C22 or whatever that just got passed. [SPEAKER_00]: Which ones that one? [SPEAKER_05]: It's the start of the game on doors now. [SPEAKER_03]: Is that where they privatize your health care? [SPEAKER_03]: Because do that. [SPEAKER_05]: And then like wait and fucking six months for surgery and then you die. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, yeah, you're also paying like 20% more. [SPEAKER_03]: Why not? [SPEAKER_03]: Wait a minute. [SPEAKER_03]: Say, yeah, insane amount of money.

[SPEAKER_03]: And your paycheck. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, our health care system, if I'm going to be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: It is. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm had to use it yet. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think all that we'll see. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what I get a little older. [SPEAKER_00]: How bad it gets. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, as far as DARPA goes, there's so many cool, like, DARPA projects that you could just talk about.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, DARPA is just an interesting, like, organization. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the, it's one of those things where it's like DARPA, you know, to some extent, NASA. [SPEAKER_03]: Just the stuff that they worked on, which is now part of our like modern, Yeah, everyday life and like technological infrastructure, like just the stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, the TCP IP stuff, like, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: creating the internet, you know, the micro chip.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All of that stuff is now that we use it. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, dude. [SPEAKER_03]: Google this, like, you know. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: We're back then. [SPEAKER_03]: Google is so fucking deep. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Like, all their fucking Google Earth and shit. [SPEAKER_07]: That was all fucking DARPA initiatives at the beginning that we're kind of handed over to.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, it's like they actually say to you. [SPEAKER_07]: All these things like a lot of private military applications that got shut down, and then they were like, hey, private corporation, you want to work with us on this glass? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's like, I mean, there's a whole history there about exactly like what goes on and just the, you know, the interchanging of just between or like the intermixing between like DARPA and then Silicon by like the white.

[SPEAKER_07]: But it's Jeff Bezos, Grandpa was a was a member of DARPA. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you would be, like, to have that kind of money, like, those things weren't interesting to, yeah, any smart person, like, they would pick up back then and the amount of funding that they pumped into these early tech companies. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think a lot of people want to say, like, DARPA created Silicon Valley, but I, you know, I think me.

[SPEAKER_03]: more accurate argument to be like, it's more created the environment or the substrate for it to become what it is. [SPEAKER_03]: Like back then, the government was the big funder. [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was like here, we'll fund your projects for 10, 20 years. [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're not a venture capitalist. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like we need to turn around in like five years or something like that. [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, we'll give you money for 10 years, 15 years.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and you create, and you create your microchips or whatever these things are that are going to go in our missiles or rockets that are going to fight the reds, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: all that they have that they're gonna be able to drone strike us for more ever yeah i mean we're gonna have to fucking tinfoil and tyru for the studio so it's not going to work dude you're gonna need to be in a full play cage it's gonna be in a full play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play play

[SPEAKER_03]: That's special. [SPEAKER_00]: Another crazy thing about DARPA 2 is all these technologies. [SPEAKER_00]: They had the internet and stuff was in what, 1969. [SPEAKER_00]: They had self-driving cars in like 70s. [SPEAKER_00]: They had all the stuff that we got 20 or 30 years later. [SPEAKER_00]: So what has been worked on now? [SPEAKER_00]: What's going to come up in 20 years? [SPEAKER_00]: Or what was around in 2005 that's going to come out just now?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, see now they have those talks of those hypersight. [SPEAKER_07]: Are you telling me they had the iPhone 16 and 2003? [SPEAKER_07]: You downright, they did.

[SPEAKER_03]: So here's the, here's the thing that I thought was really funny because when I was reading about this and it's interesting to see, you know, going through like a quick little history timeline of like DARPA and then being like how it used to be the military was the big funder of technological process, but now it is like flipped over once the tech companies realized that they could make a lot more money. [SPEAKER_03]: No, public sector that's not what happened.

[SPEAKER_07]: What happens is they realize that it with government spending there was civilian Overwatch and they can't have that because then there's public Oh, cry and then Congress can shut them down so they're like, you know what if we try to take shit And they're private types of shit. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's why they went private They're like we if we privatize a shit.

[SPEAKER_07]: We don't have to fucking answer to anybody [SPEAKER_03]: Like, well, that's, you know, some of them have been like, okay, so there is that, there's the things that, yeah, private companies don't have to share their stuff, but that's how you make money, right? [SPEAKER_03]: You pet and stuff and then you don't have to release it. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to have oversight, so you can keep control over your technological, you know, developments and then you make more money.

[SPEAKER_03]: That way, but it is interesting to see how this is kind of foot the script and there's a, I mean, there was a time and there's like, you know, there's a famous anecdote where it was like a 19,

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like 91 where there was like a big dinner and like the deputy to like the deputy circuit of secretary of defense like gathered all the you know the eggheads from Silicon Valley basically said hey guys You know, Soviet Union's fallen the reds are on the outs So we're not right in any more big checks to you guys you guys are gonna have to consolidate or you guys are gonna go bust so [SPEAKER_03]: Here, finish your lobster and get out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess there's a wild story about those kinds of things. [SPEAKER_03]: But now that the private sector has become the main driver of technological innovation, there is this interesting little piece which I found about the, I didn't really know about them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And even though I live kind of near where some of the stuff kind of happens, the defense innovation unit, the DIU, or used to be previously DIUX, which is a, [SPEAKER_03]: office of the Pentagon that they formed in order to try and act like a startup because it used to be the Pentagon, like, you know, a lot of these company companies didn't want to get in bed with the Pentagon because they the Pentagon moves too slow.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if anybody's worked with the government or in the government, you just go great. [SPEAKER_03]: You realize the bureaucracy isn't saying. [SPEAKER_03]: It takes two years to get a freaking new laptop. [SPEAKER_03]: It takes 10 years to upgrade your Adobe [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's a wild amount of paperwork to do anything. [SPEAKER_03]: And with Silicon Valley becoming a lot more agile on the toes. [SPEAKER_03]: They want to get stuff done fast, quick, turn around.

[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of the, they didn't want to work with the Pentagon anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: So the government formed in 2015, they launched this initiative called the Defense Innovation Unit, which was DEI UX, which is used to be experimental. [SPEAKER_03]: an ex ex going to give it to you basically.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ex going to give you a DMX and the their main goal was to like they were going to rebuild the bridge between the Pentagon and Silicon Valley, which had, you know, frayed to some extent, oh, after the Cold War, after, you know, that that funding had dried up. [SPEAKER_03]: So their main goal of the defense initiative unit was to like take. [SPEAKER_03]: find things that already exist.

[SPEAKER_03]: So these companies that are these startups that are making these innovations or, you know, have promised stuff or have promising applications within, you know, in the commercial world and then they would take those and then they would put them in the hands of soldiers within 24 months.

[SPEAKER_03]: you know, so these things, like, Braden already mentioned, you know, drone technology, GPS, you know, application these things into some extent other things tracking technologies, biometrics, any of these kind of cool things, cow algorithms, you know, but the DAU is kind of like, now they have become this. [SPEAKER_03]: Like originally they were just like tiny little department.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were kind of like a little like brainchild of like one of the Departments of you know deputy at the time like departments of defense now they were always a defense it was secretary of defense ash Carter back in 2015 and now

[SPEAKER_03]: like they have become like something where they've got like a budget of almost like one billion dollars and they become like a permanent staple at the Pentagon used to be like they had their own like one little office and like Mountain View, California and now they've got offices in like Austin, uh they got offices in Boston they got offices in like northern Virginia everywhere where

[SPEAKER_03]: military government intersect a lot of these places even in my area like northern Virginia has become one of that like the main areas where like the government contracting technology AI all that stuff because we have tons of data centers here like all that shit but [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's wild that they have this thing that they it originally started out this tiny little project and now it's almost And operates almost like it's it's huge thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a huge huge massive budget It's got a there's one of the initiatives that has is called replicator Which is aiming to field like thousands of the cheap autonomous drones to counter global threats Yeah, you know global threats They're like yeah, your Facebook post is a global threat

[SPEAKER_03]: that exactly your drone swarms and all of that stuff I say like how can you cut them at replicator that's you do you remember you remember those fucking weird troll batson the drone shit going on and like fucking damn we're in stuff back like two years ago

[SPEAKER_07]: Remember that people were getting that if like weird drog drones were like like trying to do that's nothing test or something something testing something There's all those theories like always looking for some type of nuclear dirty bomb or [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, my fucking guy came on the internet told us that's exactly what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it's never founded a concerning to see a government body, like a, you know, government funded initiative, like the IU, they're basically operating on the fact that it's like they, they opt, they act more like a startup. [SPEAKER_03]: They can acquire these technologies. [SPEAKER_03]: They're not beholden to the normal government offer. [SPEAKER_03]: I oversight.

[SPEAKER_03]: like there's a lot of stuff that they put in place where they basically kind of like stripped away a lot of the stuff where the Pentagon was something they have the federal acquisition regulation which is like you know this huge book of paperwork that you have to [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that you have to fill out all of this stuff, you know, anybody like me, military, you have to fill out six forms.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to can't paint, you know, and it's like, but they don't have to do that. [SPEAKER_03]: They made special provisions for this unit to be able to breeze past all of that and just be like, yeah, yeah, you can get whatever you want. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, move fast, break things. [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine, you know, it's like we all in the name of national security or, you know, that things. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just American superiority.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not on their phone though. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't go through the app store and make sure to go through it. [SPEAKER_00]: Go through your browser or fuck and Steve Jobs is taking 30% from the dark. [SPEAKER_00]: Dark is getting in, DARPA. [SPEAKER_00]: This week we got Cody Troy Lowe. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's support in the show. [SPEAKER_00]: The correspondent tier getting early access, all the bonus stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Called the check Parsons kick check Parsons in the Peter deal Anyways, that was awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: That was fun. [SPEAKER_00]: There's lots more to dark all the other cool projects that we might get into I'll do another time. [SPEAKER_00]: That's just a little negative negative start to your Monday. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, whenever you're listening to this Don't you get a share of posts?

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