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Seedance 2.0 Is Peak AI Video. We Tested It. Send Help.

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Summary

This episode dives into Seedance 2.0, ByteDance's groundbreaking AI video model capable of cinematic, multi-shot clips featuring realistic celebrity voices, stirring significant debate over copyright and the future of Hollywood. The hosts also explore new, powerful Chinese LLMs, Google and OpenAI's latest advancements, and the societal impact of AI on jobs, highlighted by a viral post, concluding with a fascinating account of orchestrating personal AI agents.

Episode description

Seedance 2.0 is the best AI video model we've ever seen. Bytedance's new AI tool generates 15 second clips of basically anything. But what happens next? And where do we go from here?

Gavin got early access before it got locked down. We tested it with original animation, fake sitcoms, anime, and a McDonald's ad. The results are genuinely shocking - multi-shot editing, cinematic camera work, and real celebrity voices coming straight out of the model. People are making fake Seinfeld episodes, Avengers deleted scenes, and Rocky working at a fast food restaurant with Optimus Prime.

Plus two new Chinese LLMs beating American models on benchmarks, Google Deep Think scores 84% on ARC-AGI, OpenAI's Codex Spark model, that viral AI post your mom sent you, and Kevin loses his mind building an Open Claw agent named Mr. Tibs who now requests server upgrades at 3am.

HOLLYWOOD LAWYERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY INTERESTING YEAR. ITS FINE.

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// Show Links //

Seedance 2.0 - Bytedance's New AI Video Best Since Sora 2

https://seed.bytedance.com/en/seedance2_0

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/bytedances-new-ai-video-model-goes-viral-china-looks-second-deepseek-moment-2026-02-12/

The Seinfeld Test:

https://x.com/apples_jimmy/status/2021351821718225330?s=20

Even better The Seinfeld Fight: https://x.com/itspoidaman/status/2021409465355075655?s=20

Wolverine vs Thanos: https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/2021979655130296487?s=20

Avengers Endgame: https://x.com/cfryant/status/2021398605278376201?s=20

Tom Cruise vs Brad Pitt: https://x.com/RuairiRobinson/status/2021394940757209134?s=20

Ethan Hunt vs John Wick: https://x.com/chatcutapp/status/2021902856367092108?s=20 Gavin's Game of Friends Sitcom Test:

https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2021418263432032635?s=20

Gavin's Rocky Balboa & Optimus Prime Test:

https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2021429329012650045?s=20

Original Animation style: https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2021396803787383254?s=20

Anime test: https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2021732810554507352?s=20

Comparing AI McDonald's Ads: https://x.com/AIForHumansShow/status/1802715910488400047?s=20 GLM-5 from Z.AI

https://x.com/Zai_org/status/2021638634739527773

https://z.ai/blog/glm-5

GLM-5 Gameboy Emulation

https://x.com/Zai_org/status/2021754659590033565?s=20

New Minimax 2.5 Model

https://x.com/MiniMax_AI/status/2021980761210134808?s=20

CODEX SPARK - Faster Codex

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-3-codex-spark/

New Google Deep Think Model CRUSHES Benchmarks

https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind/status/2021981510400709092?s=20

The 'Something Big Is Happening' Post Heard Round The World

https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2021256989876109403?s=20

Gavin's Simultaneous Take (in Monday's newsletter too)

https://x.com/gavinpurcell/status/2021292314291999182

AI 2027

https://ai-2027.com/

One-Shot Otter Anime From Ethan Mollick:

https://x.com/emollick/status/2021412306291392535

The Best Prompt Ever Seedance

https://x.com/Gossip_Goblin/status/2021468902220497061?s=20

MattVidPro's Shrek & Donkey Crash a Honda Accord

https://x.com/MattVidPro/status/2021739211674566808?s=20

Transcript

Introducing Seedance 2.0 and AI News

We have yet another brand new state-of-the-art video model and this time it's from China. That's right, C Dream 2.0 is here. Kind of. I got early access and I'll show you what exactly it can and can't do. Will it be nerfed? Probably, but I mean you never know. Silence Purcell. Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt are talking. You killed Jeffrey Epstein!

He was a good man! Just so the algo knows, I did not make that. Also, it's not just video. We have two brand new LLMs from China too that are both pushing state of the art. But America. Huh? Is not sitting this out. No, we got new updates from Google Gemini Deep Research and OpenAI's brand new, nope, no, actually brand, brand new codex model.

Plus, is something big actually happening, Kevin? We dive into the viral AI post that your mom sent you and talk about the mainstream waking up to the singularity. Then I went deep on OpenClaw and spun up my own little cute bear assistant named Mr. Tibbs. And I'll tell you why this is both a great and terrible idea. And finally, Seinfeld Kung Fu! This is AI for humans, everybody!

First Look at Seedance 2.0

Welcome everybody to AI for humans, your weekly guide into the weekly world of AI. Uh we are here, Kevin. It is a big week. A new AI video model has dropped. Uh this is C Dance 2.0. It's kind of out. I will tell people what that means. You you okay? Are you so tired? I'm so I know we're gonna get to it. The vibes have shifted. I am like concerned and psyched, but like ev every week.

Something has happened in the last week or two. I am not sleeping because of open claw and now seed dance and it's it it's all accelerated. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm sorry. I just want to point out that your boy very sleepy because too much excitement.

Yeah, you were rubber banding a lot. I remember a couple of weeks ago you were in the like, Well, maybe and then you were in the oh my god, I can't believe it and now you're in this kind of weird chaos space, which is a lot like m most people out there. I think, Okay

We have so much to talk about today, but Kevin, the big thing that I think we have to start with is C Dance 2.0. This is the new, yes, it is crazy. This is the new AI video model from ByteDance. And Kevin, when I started to see these clips, and I I have generated them myself, we're gonna get into that.

I I first thought they were fake because in the same way that when Sora 2 came out, there were things that were happening in them that I really couldn't explain. And and the biggest thing is multi-shot. Really smart directing within a 15 second clip. Now, just the very basics are 15 second clip. Four twenty four eighty or seven twenty P, not ten eighty.

Um, we don't know how much this is gonna price out at yet. It is only available in China, but from what I've heard, Dreamina, which is the AI studio sort of thing of ByteDance, is allowing creator partners now to join it and start to generate. There was a brief moment of What do you got? What do you got? Sorry, I'm hitting my uh my Amazon branded bamboo tissue nerd alert button. Dude, we are talking about something that is so insane that you and I both thought it was fake.

that the clips aren't real. And you went into like the resolution stuff. Sorry, you're right. You're right. You're right. Let's show some stuff. Let's show some stuff to start with. Let's let's talk about the Seinfeld test'cause honestly this is the first clip I saw

The Seinfeld Test: AI and IP

This was a clip that Jimmy Apples put up. And if you know Inside Baseball, Jimmy Apples is kind of this guy that's been an insider in the AI space for a while. He's no one really knows who he is. He posted this clip of a Seinfeld show. And really what it is is Kramer.

talking to uh what looks like a Jerry, fake Jerry, bad Jerry, but what I found out later is that Jimmy Apples was trying to make that Chandler from friends who it looks a little bit more like. Yeah. That's what I was gonna say. It looks like Chandler meets Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah. Yeah, so let's just play this clip, Kevin, and let's see uh what people think. You were on Epstein Island? What were you doing? How could you? Jerry, you know I can't talk about that. What it's a save.

Hey, did you hear about the new place on fifth? They've got a great chicken sack. Okay. Okay, so a couple things there. Yeah. The simlish what a say sangle aside, for those that are getting the audio version, Gavin, let's walk through how like stunning this clip actually is. Let's start with the audio version, because the audio version is the part that's shocking to me. When you just listen to that, that is Jerry Seinfeld's voice and Michael Richard's voice.

Those are not fake voices, and that is not something that were generated within the thing itself. Those are coming out through the model, which is shocking to me. So that first and foremost, and we're gonna talk all about the IP rights and all sorts of things, and will it get nerfed? Probably. We'll talk about that in a bit.

But I'm I'm impatiently raising my hand. When you said it's shocking to you, is it shocking because they are able to do it or is it shocking because they're just so brazenly weapons free with the copyright and the voices? It's the latter.

It's the latter and I will say once I start and we're gonna get to some of the stuff that I generated, which is kind of as shocking. People have told me that they really believe that Byte Dance will will pull this back, that this was not meant to come out like this, that this was not meant to be generated.

But Kevin, before we move on from Seinfeld, I do want to show one more clip. This is from It's Spoidaman. And this is uh showing Jerry and George getting into a fight. So let's just play that real quick for people too. Kevin, I got I got knocked into a different video recording system. How crazy is that? Oh, that's how powerful seed dance is? That's how powerful seed dance is.

Cinematic AI and Hollywood's Future

So anyway, what I want to talk about there is we can just like briefly sit on that. So there's if you're not watching it, just to be clear, what you're seeing is a pretty significant recreation of the Seinfeld set. The second clip shows if Jerry being kung fu kicked through a fake wall. Someone even pointed out in the clip, you see that it's a fake sitcom looking wall.

Right. This system has it's clear has so much video recorded in it, like so much testing video. And it it just it blows you away when you see it. And it does remind me again of when Sora launched the first time. I'll quickly point out some things that like were very funny to me. Like there's like weird doors that lead to nowhere in this clip. There's a fridge in the living room. Um when he gets kicked through a door, there's a door right next to him.

Um, this is like five years ago when we complained that the AI image of the horse wearing a hat looked like he had hair coming out of the hat. Like this will get solved, but the the physics, the camera work, the audio to your point, the sound design, the laughing, the if you watch when he gets when he gets kicked through the door, there's a l a panel of light switches. on the wall that sort of dangle and then break off. Like the the the smoke, the dust, the timing of it all. Um

It it really is incredible. I I it has totally blurred the line between there the Whenever a new video model would come out, Gav, there was a deluge of posts of like, I just one-shotted this and someone would post a clip from like an Avengers movie and you would go like, uh ha ha ha. But now people are posting Avengers clips that are fake.

And I think they're real and I know we're gonna get to some of those, but I just wanna say, like you mentioned earlier, like m maybe they didn't want it to get out in this in this position. I I I have to believe this is the new playbook because we've seen it from Google and we've seen it from OpenAI. You release the tool.

Full power, so everybody recoils and goes, Oh my God, look what they got. And then you slowly walk it back until it's a little more calm and you're not gonna be sued out of existence. Yeah, so we should just quickly talk about all that stuff that we've seen. First of all, there's an amazing clip of of Wolverine versus Thanos.

uh that's uh that clearly uh somebody mentioned like might have been taken directly. The training felt like that is the Wolverine from Deadpool two. Or sorry, Deadpool versus Wolverine. The crazier Avengers one is this one from in game.

Which is from Christopher Fryant, uh and he w he generated this. And basically it is the scene from end endgame where all the Avengers walk up and then Thanos tries to say something like, I'm sorry, maybe we can play this real quick and I you know, I hope none of this stuff gets us flagged, but let's play this one and just talk about it. I'm sorry. Oh hell no, he killed like a bajillion people! That is that is Thanos apologizing, Spider-Man saying no way, and all of the Avengers curb stomping.

Thanos out of existence. Yeah, I if if you did not know this model exists and if this was posted by something else, you might think that this was an outtake or a deleted scene or something else. I mean, there's obviously a few hints with the way some of the characters look and whatnot, but The dramatic score, the camera cuts, the the movement, the everything. Just it looks legit, gaff.

Yeah, so it there's a couple other quick things. We showed the Tom Cruise versus Brad Pitt uh video in the intro. There's an Ethan Hunt versus John Wick video, which is pretty incredible to watch. And like they clearly have the faces of Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt and the Brad Pitt clip again.

Gavin's Animation Style Tests

Those sound like their voices. So there's a lot of training that's going on here. But I do want to talk about like let's let's dive into like kind of what's interesting about this and my test on it, right? Because I was able to follow a couple rabbit holes. And find somebody who shared a link that basically said, Hey, if you go to like what essentially is this this open site, it existed and ByteDance runs it. It's like their AI studio version.

You can go there and you can generate these for free right now. And it is no longer available, but for a while they had this opening to C Dream two point oh. I got a chance to create about 12 clips, right? So I uploaded them. It was so uh hammered that stuff wasn't coming out very fast.

Wow. But I wanna walk through kind of my learnings with it, what was interesting about it, and and kind of figure out. So so the first and foremost thing I wanna talk about is I did let's go to the open animations, original animation style. So I wanted to see before I got into the IP stuff, I wanted to see kind of like what it would do versus say a Kling three point oh. So I created this still. I think I made it in Nano Banana Pro. It's like a picture of a um

of a guy looking back at a rocket. I actually used it as a graphic for a post I wrote this week. And then I created a second frame of of this woman talking to the same guy. Right. And this idea being that like you had to kind of upload a first frame and a last frame to get it right.

So if you play this, you'll see, let's play it with the audio so people can kinda understand what's going on and then we'll describe it. We can't just abandon everything because you're too afraid to leave this dying rock. Okay, so you hear that's a little over the top. That was my first experience, a little over the top acting wise. But what's cool about this.

is I didn't say anything specific about it. I just I mean I said like they get into an argument, the woman slaps the man and then they she walks away. What's cool about this video again if you're just listening is that it it It zooms in. There's a moment of zoom in

There's also an understanding of kind of like, oh, this is an animation thing. It it's almost like that style. It had it knows kind of the style to go for. Right. Um, but I do want to play Kiv a lot of people have talked about Kling 3.0. We talked about it last week. Kevin, I want to show the exact same prompt. With the exact same uh in and out still with Cling 3.0, just to get a sense of how different this is. We are leaving this dying world behind.

And you are too weak to survive out there. Don't you dare! The the the new version that Gavin rendered in Seed Dance, the raindrops are animating and falling off of the people. There's a cut in there. The camera cuts dramatically for a slap. The walk away, the audio quality doesn't sound like they're in a

uh a a weird like sound recording studio or like a weird warehouse. Like uh everything better, of course. And Cling three point oh is a state of the art model as of last week. So it just goes to show you how far advanced this is versus that. Now again

Remember, ByteDance is the company that owns TikTok. And we talk a little bit about the idea of training data. That is a lot of video that that TikTok has to train on. And Cling is not the same sort of size and it is not the same sort of thing. Okay, quickly, a couple other things I did.

AI McDonald's Ads and Anime

Um, Kevin, you probably remember our audience, maybe there's new people or not, they may not remember, about a year and a half ago, I made a McDonald's ad. Uh on spec using Luma Labs as model at the time, using uh mid journey for SILS, using a bunch of stuff. It took me a while. Now I say a while, it still took me like three hours, right? So in AI terms that's still not that long. Took me a while.

I took the two of the stills from that video and I just said basically make me a McDonald's ad about a galactic McDonald's. I uploaded it to Seed Dance. What's cool about C Dance too is there's a magic setting on time where it will just pick a time based on what it thinks is the best choice. So in this instance, it only made a five-second ad, but watch this ad and just kind of take a look at it.

At McDonald's, we believe in serving everyone, no matter where you're from. Y'all come and see us, you hear? So just to again, if you're only listening, what it had done in this instance is I gave it a a kind of shot of the outside of a galactic McDonald's and the inshot of that character at the end. And it created three other aliens in the middle. It cut a zoom cut from the intro.

to these other aliens, it spaced it time-wise out and it knew what would make the most compelling five seconds. So that is the underneath thing that's going on that's just really fascinating. Yeah. When Sora came out, we talked about like all the behind the scenes magic, the wizardry of the prompting that is cutting these uh these scenes. choosing the camera angles and the the pacing of everything. Uh it Apparently is not a unique magic.

Looking at this video here. Yes. The octopus character that's simultaneously slurping two milkshakes at once, by the way, is adorable. I also love the plastic domes that you would get on a like a milkshake something, but on a glass container, like I I still love the little misfires and missteps. I know people love to point at that and go, Oh, these machines are so dumb. Like that to me is kind of adorable and we're going to long for this time.

Just like we will long for original Will Smith eating spaghetti in maybe six months when these things are perfect. Yeah, and we're not that far away. So so one other thing before we get on to some of the funnier things I did was I did I wanted to do a test with anime because a lot of people talk about anime. There's a lot of people sharing anime clips. So I took uh an intro and an outro still and I created

And basically I said make the woman ask the character in the in the shadows to like come out. He says something and she comes out again. So let's just play one of these and you'll get a sense there's three of them and and our editor will play all three of them so you can kind of see the different variations. But the same prompt. Same stills, this is what I got. I know you're there. Show yourself. Uh but I am out here. Cut the crap and face me! So again

No real hardcore prompting there. That was a two-line prompt. Very straightforward. I didn't say what kind of voice the character should have. You can hear that weird creepy music playing in the background. That's what the cinematic tension of the music, the click-clack of the footsteps, the cut to a shadowy figure in like the doorway or the hallway delivering the thing and then the cut to the anime character's face showing like intense emotion along with that, all unprompted is

is wild. And when Elon is on stage, which happened recently saying that I mean true w really when he's on stage saying that well it's i his team is on stage, I should say, saying that Grok will be able to make fifteen to twenty something minute long episodes of things with a basic prompt.

you see how that could be not only possible by the end of this year, but watchable. There's last thing I wanna say before we dive into like our kind of analysis of what this is, is I also then just a I asked it kind of in the same way with the

Game of Friends and Rocky Prime

Seinfeld thing, I asked it to create a Game of Friends sitcom where my prompt was really like make Game of Thrones but using friends. So what was interesting about this is if you if you there's two clips to this. The first one really is one we should listen to. Uh uh just play it and you'll kinda understand what's different here. I need your counsel for

What's the best way to deal with someone who's really getting on my nerves? Well, Your Majesty, a true hand must be decisive. You must show them who's boss. It's the hand's way. So explain what people saw, Kevin, if they're just listening to that. I I mean it is uh The Neil Patrick Harris ish character sitting on the throne talking to is it who's that guy, the guy from the Joey. It's supposed to be Joey.

It's Joey from Friends mixed with an impractical joker, I think mixed with the brother from Everybody Loves Raymond. Like that's yeah, that's who that is. But he's sitting on his Game of Game of Thrones? His his Sword of Thrones? His uh I didn't watch Game of Thrones, Gavin. But Oh well he's sitting on the throne he's sitting on the throne. I know that because Comic Con, of course, and uh a totally a nerd. Yeah.

Yeah huge, huge alarm bells going off. Not the nerd. You faked it the whole time, Kevin. I love space wars with the space wars with the laser swords. I that's my favorite thing. Go go Luke and Yoda. Um Yeah, but there anyway, uh Neil Patrick Harris is sitting on the Game of Thrones uh throne.

uh chit-chatting with uh with an amalgamation of several like sitcom characters, but they are just having a conversation and you can hear the leather, you can hear the metal, you you almost feel like you're in the the sound stage of this sitcom. And again, so that one I actually prompted it to be Joey and Chandler. So for some random reason it chose to put Neil Patrick Harris, who is in another very famous sitcom, How I Met Your Mother, into that role.

Again, his voice, Joey's voice, those are real voices. I didn't upload the voices. So in case you're out there wondering, like everybody's faking these things, right now, no, this is not faked. They have access to all these voices. And if I were a Hollywood lawyer, I would be freaking out right now. And finally, before we move into our little analysis, if we can talk more about that.

Kevin, the second of these last videos was the one that I feel like was the most crazy to me. And again, I generated this. This is Rocky Balboa and Optimus Prime working in a fast food restaurant together. Thank you. I swear these customers remind me of the Quintatons.

So first of all, I here's uh my nerd card might get revoked because I don't know is Quintiton's an actual Transformers reference. If you're out there, please let us know. You know what, Gavin, I can't I can't hold your hand. It's not my job to explain to you and guide you through. Yeah, we'll see you at David Buster's next week. We'll see you at David Buster's. But how crazy is that? I mean it is Sylvester Stallone

Wearing boxing gloves. What I love about that one, again, if you're not watching, please go check these clips out on the YouTube. Where Optimus Prime kind of like leans in at the back. And the car door or his like his little doors flap up. There's like emotion in this thing. And it just yeah. I was I was transfixed. Where's this gonna go? Um Uh it's no I like.

It's no longer slop. No I mean there's plenty of slop. There they people are making slop on purpose. Some people are making slop because they just don't know how to prompt it better, but like incapable hands where you take time. We're we're we're post slop here, if you want to be.

Hollywood's IP Challenge and Creators

Well so let's talk about the two big implications of this. One I think the first and foremost one is like obviously I think a lot of lawyers in Hollywood, a lot of stars are waking up seeing these clips and being like, What is going on here? Right. In the same way they had probably when Sora launched. But Sora did give stars a heads up ahead of time. So you didn't see a lot of these actual physical people or voices in the Sora Eclipse, right? You saw a lot of IP, but not this.

Second of all, so so any that's a huge thing, right? I think we're gonna have to see. Does C Dance, and it's a Chinese company, it is TikTok, but do they pull this back? And from what I've heard in the past. C Dance has been pretty careful about this stuff. So they very well may nerf this. This might be something where only the early stage stuff gets out and they're gonna not allow this to happen. But because it is a Chinese company versus an American p American company like OpenAI.

the conversations are different, right? Because if I were, I'm not saying please don't this is okay, first of all, I'm gonna say I'm not gonna say if I were, because if I say that, it's gonna get clipped out. So I'm saying that not you leave this in, Will, leave it all in. I don't want anybody to think that I'm that I'm cutting around this. But if in a Chinese company, if you were looking at a way to have a giant leg up on an American company and you really wanted to push those buttons.

This would be an easy way to do it because you and I both know clips like this travel much further than original clips, right? Because everybody's like, Oh my God, they put uh the Hulk into Gordon Ramsay's bucket and now they're Stir in each other's things. No, you're not allowed to talk about that, Kevin. It's under wraps. It's under

I'm not. Everybody be clear, I am not. I do not work spilled. Anyway, so that's a big deal. I think we're gonna see how that plays out. But Kevin, the bigger deal, I think, and and PJ Ace, friend of the show, wrote an interesting post about this, which is the idea that like C dance two will open the door to lots more people. And I think the key of his post was It is no longer gonna be about

being clever about what you create and that the real thing that's gonna happen going forward with AI video is you're gonna have to have an original idea. You're gonna have to have something that you can string together. You're gonna have to know how to write. You're gonna have to know how to edit well. Because the level of just knowing how to prompt something.

Now we're getting into pass plus it's not gonna matter, right? You're not gonna need to know how to prompt a specific set of angles. You're not gonna need to know how to prompt certain things. Like last week on the show, we talked about my experience with Cling Three and

I am like okay at AI video, clearly better than the vast majority of the world, but not when you compare me to AI video experts. And that was a struggle a little bit, right? Like trying to make sure that I could get it to do the things that I wanted it to do. This is not. This is not a struggle. Like I can see a world where if I can have like say that original animation, if I can upload three images of the three characters in my thing and I say this is the style I want to keep it.

I could definitely string together 50 clips and 30 of those could be good, and I could make a short very fast. And that feels like the next generation of AI video that is going to shock people about how quickly things can be turned out. What do you say to the uh the boom operator out there? Yeah, no for sure.

No, I mean, this is a big deal. This is a r this is a really important thing for anybody who's a creative or a person that works in Hollywood. I don't know what you say to them. And I think that's me being as honest as I possibly can. The the the answer would be is like you're a boom operator and I I you love the I've known many boom operators, I've known many like studio audio apps, I've known many studio camera people in my life and they are amazing, hardworking people.

I don't know where you go from here in those roles, right? Like there will be organic studios, I'm sure eventually and still, but there are going to be a lot less of them and people have to be prepared.

I was just having this discussion with someone yesterday who is very much like uh uh uncertain of what is going on, but very much loves film and loves the art of filmmaking and it was sort of like, Well, uh you know, i the the consolation was, well maybe it'll go like the way of vinyl, which is it it still exists, but I you know

Human Creativity in AI Era

The the already small piece of the pie shrinks a little bit more and yeah, if you if you like The art of the process. If you like I was gonna say, if you like the art because of the process, and the process itself is what you love. There might be less of that process, but there might be a far greater appreciation for said process. But I simply like I don't, I don't know how to like it.

No longer can it be like, well, don't worry, no, no, no. There's a capital F film is still there. It's it because y yeah, it is, but there's gonna be less opportunity for people to make that type of content. However, if you are a boom op by any other profession, not to like pick on boom operators, but like by any by any other profession.

If you're in it because you love film and filmmaking, it's a different tool, it's a different technique, it's a different pipeline. But now you can execute far beyond holding the boom pole. Yeah, your opportunity to be the creator is much larger than it ever was before, and that's the trade off here in some ways. So

We are gonna talk a little bit later about some of the uh conversation around just AI at large and how broad it's getting. But it's why it's why I'm like completely detached right now, Gavin, and like arm's length away from reality because I I'm also I'm done. I'm done with it. I have to be. Oh, you're done? You're done. It's unhealthy. Well, Kevin, don't don't be done until we tell people to give us likes and subscribes. We can't be done yet.

Oh, I'm sorry sorry, point of clarity. Point of clarity. I'm done I'm done with it now because I need to shift my focus to engaging and helping out the AI for humans brand. Now that's what you're talking about. So here we go, everybody. That's right. It's a week that's a time of the week every week where we ask you to like and subscribe to our show. I do want to say to everybody out there who is trying to struggle with this idea of where Hollywood goes from here.

There are opportunities, like Kevin said. Like that boom operator can become a creator now.

I think we're going to see the next two to five years change in a significant way, bigger than Hollywood or entertainment or creator economy, or whatever you want to say video has changed since then. The thing I was saying to my wife yesterday though, I think is interesting is Weirdly, I think this, and I don't mean this podcast, I mean you and I, humans talking to each other and then talking to an audience, is going to be part of the human experience for a long time.

Humans want to hear from humans. They want to hear Thoughts from humans. And I am like not a big fan of like the digital twin startups. If you don't know what a digital twin is, it's this idea where You know, somebody says, I can make a clone of myself and I can just create an AI version. That way I'll never have to do video or I'll never have to do anything. I can just make tons of videos.

To me, when I find out somebody's doing that, I'm kind of like non plus by it because, like, hey, just take the time to do it yourself. And I think that sort of thing will rise. human to human contact. So to your point about the guy who's the boom op, like There will still be people wanting to make films, but opportunities are much larger than just making a a student film. And there might be ways that you have a film in your head that you could make, and that feels like an interesting.

Look, uh we are equal parts giddy about all of the things and excited for the tech and whatever else. We also are very well aware of the downsides and the potential like, I don't know, elimination of not only all jobs, but how about the human beings as a species?

The Geopolitics of AI

Yeah. So I don't wanna be like uh this podcast we get we get glib at time because that's the that's our tone when we d excitedly discuss this stuff. But do you think It w We said uh a while ago and maybe it's nihilistic, but we're like, Well, there's no stopping it. There's no stopping it. Data center's gonna be built. Big business is a good thing. Oh, are you a doomer now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Uh well, uh maybe, maybe. But but like

We've said that there's there's no stopping it. So get on board, embrace it, adopt it. I don't think that that's like the worst advice, but some would say that that's um um That's that's weak. That is uh that's not inspiring. That if we if we banded together to say, no, no, no, not now, not ever, right, we actually could stop it.

Do you it do you think about that? Because I s I think about that from time to time of like, okay, if it really starts to go, we pull the lever and I and maybe this is because I have been target marketed and programmed by all of the all of the media which is still owned by eight people that want to build the data centers, but I kind of feel like

No, you're not gonna stop it. You're just not gonna stop it. They're gonna Yeah you might stop it. You might slow it down for Hollywood, but it's still coming for drones and Skynet eventually. Like I don't know. I I uh is that does it does that even track I think the one thing that's really interesting about seed dance particularly and the things we're about to talk about

Is that it is Chinese. And I think that the Chinese model aspect of this is going to give fodder to the world at large to continue building out this process because One of the things that there's been a story around this for a long time, and this conversation went from this kind of like smaller thing to a much larger thing, but is that if China continues building and they have no stop and their I maybe their IP laws are different, all these other sort of things.

We, if we do not continue to build, we get behind, right? And I think that is a justification, whether or not it is right. I don't know. Dario and uh Dario Mode from Anthropic and Demisabas were on uh the Davos stage not that long ago, and they both said, like, look.

If it were up to us, we would slow down right now, but it's not. It's up to the like there's another person in this mix, Sam Altman, but also China, right? And China is pushing forward fast and it becomes a big giant conversation around national security. And I We'll encourage everybody who listens to this podcast or watches us is to go reread AI 2027. Um, we'll drop a link in the show notes. This is a very kind of like,

bombastic uh long uh almost like essay post that two people put together about a year or a year and a half ago now. I went and reread it this week and One of the things that's so fascinating about it is they've been tracking how that kind of times out because they make a lot of predictions in that post and were pretty much on track, maybe a little bit behind where they thought they were.

But a big part of it is how quickly this expands out to this larger geopolitical conversation. And that's the weird mucky middle that we're in right now. Right. And now we're seeing it. It's starting to feel like it's coming around. It's just I I don't know the answer to it. All I can tell you is it's happening. Which is a weird thing to say. Like it's a weird thing to say. Like I don't know if it's good or bad. I just know that it's happening and that's where we're sitting.

Well, hey, new GLM uh five. Wait, no, first did we oh what oh no, we would like and subscribe. First of all, can we gotta talk about us this show, the most important thing happening right now in this is that you like and subscribe to this video if you're here, if you didn't get too depressed, if your finger can't move, please screech that finger up a little further to your like and subscribe button. Also, if you feel like you want to drop us a few bucks to try these things.

Uh you can go to our Patreon. We've had a couple fun new Patreon members join, which is very exciting. It's always nice to hear from our audience. You can also check out our Discord. We're pretty active in the Discord and obviously on Twitter as well too. Oh, one last thing. I did write about both Seed Dance and this idea of like how everything's moving so fast in the AI for humans newsletter, which you can find at aiforhumans.beehive.com or on our website at aiforhumans.show.

Please go subscribe. It's getting quite an audience now, which is kind of fun for me. And I've enjoyed writing it every week. So feel free to message us if you want to see us talk about something else.

New Chinese LLMs: GLM-5 and Minimax

It's a good read. Oh, it's a good read. But Kevin, you know what else is good? What else is interesting? Buddy, what we're talking about benchmarks for GLM five? I'm talking about benchmarks, baby. It's a benchmark. Benchmark Boys, where are you at? Play my benchmark boys theme song. If someone wants to make the benchmark boys theme song on Suno, please do. Let's give Will a shot. Will what's w give us a benchmark boys intro right now. board rise with

Right, Will I just gave you extra work. Hopefully that was good. Audience tell them if it was good or not. Will our editor. So, Kevin, first of all, the reason why all these Chinese models drop right now, I you know, our audience may not know this. I think you probably do. Chinese New Year's New Year. In fact, it's starting soon. So Chinese New Year

These Chinese models kind of work towards this time because a lot of people in China have time off. They're able to do stuff. So there are two big new models from Chinese companies. The first one comes from Z.ai, and this is GLM five, GLM-5. And Kev, this is a really interesting thing because it is a big new open source model, but it actually beats.

Claude Opus four point five on a fair amount of these benchmarks. Now you can go use this. I haven't played around with it a crazy amount so far, but there was a very interesting post that the company put out, which I don't did you see this. It basically they did a long creative uh prompt where they were gonna s one of the things they talk about with this GLM dash five is that it can do long work, right? And agentic work sometimes you want to send it away and it'll come back.

They did this very cool thing where they ask it to emulate a Game Boy, but not just emulate a Game Boy, like do a lot of really interesting visual stuff on the screen. And if you're looking at this, like, It is crazy impressive. So this is again one of the Chinese models that came out. And it's just showing you that not only are we making progress here, but these Chinese models are making a lot of progress between this and C dance and other stuff.

And you know, we had the Deep Seek moment about a month, about a year ago, right? That was when Deep Seek first came out. This is starting to feel like the next dip deep seek moment is brewing. Now maybe the American AIs are gonna jump and go ahead further, which they could, but for right now, this is a big deal. Sorry. I I was gonna say, uh, hot off the presses, we got a new seed dance clip. Uh and I was gonna I was just gonna play it.

Order up! If this is your first shift at Waffle House, you have to fight. Okay, so I have a question. Dude, I would watch this Waffle House Fight Club movie. the the power of a good prompt and cutting a few clips together right now, you can you could storyboard something amazing or even pilot an idea for a bit that you have. Like

Well hey, before we move off of this, like one thing I just was on this guy's Twitter handle, it's at Charlie B. Curran. And what he has right below that is interesting is the best part of C Dance 2 is that it's coming to cap cut. So every twelve year old in America is about to have this superpower on their phone. Which is that is the interesting thing. When you talk about distribution versus that, you know, Sora.

had to create a whole new social network in order to do this and get people to come back to this place. This is TikTok. This is the company that owns TikTok, at least for now. And even even in the American TikTok, they're gonna have a minority stake. So you've got a distribution platform baked in. This is a baked in thing. In the same way that YouTube Shorts is baked in with VO3.

That's why this could be crazy powerful. Okay, back to the Chinese models. Um uh ZX Z A I is pretty cool. The another big one c have came out from Mir uh Minimax, which is interesting. Uh yeah, Minimax M two dot five, an open source model, state of the art performance gavin on coding and benchmark. Benchmark boys. Where are you at? The thing about this one is that it's fast and it's a dollar per hour at a hundred TPS. That's tokens per second, friend. Look here here's the

AI Costs and Business Model Disruption

We could like the the numbers going up, the lines going up, great benchmark boys. Why does this matter? Why does this matter to any of you? Um But let's from the business angle, let's say, Gavin, everybody's running these these tools, these age agents, these orchestrated agents that are running all the time. And I experimented with OpenClaw and in the first Three hours I burnt through a hundred and forty dollars of open router API credits. Oh my god. Now some of that was some of that was my bad.

uh with like a coding issue, something ran away, there was a process that just went and kept pulling. Some of it was me choosing like the best in class models because I just wanted to start there as opposed to ratcheting up. And some of that is tokens be expensive. Yes. Uh I reined that in and I'm using a Claud Code Mac subscription now just for my agent. But when people go like, wait, how

How can how can these companies afford this stuff? These tokens are expensive. The compute is expensive. The power is expensive. It's always, oh, they're subsidizing your usage. These American companies. Are subsidizing your usage. Google and Grok and OpenAI and Anthropic, that Amazon, they're all bleeding out so that you use their systems.

And the thinking was that, well, but yes, and once they capture you in a year or two, they're gonna kink that fire hose, right? Kink the garden hose, if you will. Sure. And you're gonna be beholden their models and they could charge you thousands of dollars where they used to charge you a hundred dollars.

But if this trend continues, people will just roll back to the Chinese models, which are just about as good within two or three months' time. And that business model goes bye-bye. And that is fascinating.

Yeah, I mean and they always talk about even Sam has talked about like intelligence too cheap to meter, right? This idea that it will get cheaper over time, that it'll be easier to serve stuff, but the issue here is There's a political instinct of the open the Chinese companies for trying to undercut these prices now because also you think, again, this is geopolitical, economic stuff.

If people aren't spending money on those companies, it kind of ruins the American economy because as we've said on this show many times, these companies are the ones propping it up. But Kev, we do have to talk about two big updates from American AI companies. This just dropped literally as we were recording.

OpenAI Codex Spark and Google Deep Think

Codex Spark is a new update to a GPT dash five point three. Space Codex Space Spark. It was also a side mission in Halo three, I think. You had to s you had to retrieve the Codex Spark or the Flood was going to, you know. So anyway, what this is is really interesting. This is a much faster version of Codex. And the reason it's faster is it is running on cerebrus. Uh sorry, it is running on cerebrus chips. And this is confusing somewhat, probably to those of you who are not technical.

But as we know, inference for AI runs on computer chips, on graphics cards, or all sorts of other things. Cerebrus chips are a specific type of chip. And this is only a small portion of OpenAI's uh inference that's gonna run on this. But they are way faster. You can access them much faster. So I don't think Kevin or I have spent any time with this since it literally dropped like kind of as we were recording. But

This is the promise, right? Uh you and I have talked about before about how much better it is to do cloud code type stuff or codec stuff within a window where it can agentically Write this stuff, run it, try itself again. If you can up the speed of that process by 5x, 10x, 20x, 50x, 100x, eventually, you are able to iterate in so much of a crazier, faster way that is a huge deal.

Yeah. And even if your model is uh ten percent as effective, because looking at the the the Codex Spark stuff, like you have to get it max thinking, which is

Great that it can do it, but it's also degrading the speed, which is the whole point of the trade off. But even if you're going with the lower end model, As these agentic swarms happen and you have a very smart foundational model solve the architecture, the engineering of the thing, it can spit out very tiny, actionable, very clear subtasks. to these much quicker agents and now you have big brain up top.

spitting out directions to tiny hamsters on wheels running very, very fast. And even if the code comes back not so great. You can review it and redeploy it and 20 times while you're still waiting for the other traditional model to run. So I am going to be running this when we are done with this podcast.

So the other thing that kind of pairs with this is Google DeepMind dropped an update for their Deep Think mode. And if you're familiar with Deep Thinks mode, that's kind of like uh the thing where you send it off to go think about stuff and go like spend some time on it. Kevin, again benchmark b benchmark boys or benchmark bros? We have to be very clear. Is it boys or bros? Both work. Benchmark bros.

Uh benchmark boys is better. Benchmark Boys is better. Great. Benchmark Boys. Wham whim. Okay, here we go. One of the craziest things about this is on the ARC AGI-2 benchmark, which you know we've talked about before, this is the thing that is like one of the hardest tests. Across all of AI, it is scoring an 84.6. And just to compare that to a 68.8 on Cloud Opus 4.5 and a 52.9 on GPT 5.2. Now, those are not the most recent models.

But that is massive. And even on humanity's last exam, which we always laugh about because a great naming there, finally somebody named something right. Humanity's last exam benchmark is the idea that these are the questions that humanity has before uh before AI's passed it. They are at forty eight point four percent now. So again, a lot of people use Google Deep Think. If you have, I think you have to have at least the pro, maybe the ultra to drive into this, but dive into this, but

This is like go send it off, give it a hard problem, see what it comes back with. There's a really interesting video they're showing of like mathematicians who have used this. We are entering that point where the hard stuff that AI kind of struggle with, but more of the struggle was like keeping coherence over time. That's starting to get solved a little bit, right? Which is pretty crazy.

The Viral 'Something Big' Post

Yeah, okay, nerd. Uh can we get to the super uplifting, awesome OMG post with seventy three million views and counting the post heard round the world from Matt Schumer? Yeah, so let's talk about this. It actually dovetails exactly with what we were saying. Matt Schumer, who Kevin and I actually covered on the show multiple times in different places, once because he was

I think Hyperright was his first company. And then he had a little bit of a controversial scene where he had said, like, I figured something out. And he hadn't actually figured it out. Wrote a post. that whether or not AI was involved in the writing of it, most people think some AI writing is in it. got more viewed than any kind of like AI bubble post that I've seen in a while. And this AI bubble is not about the idea that it's about to burst and we're gonna see like it the economics crash.

This is kind of a little bit about the idea that like not enough people are talking in the mainstream about what AI is capable of. And to great to Matt's credit, He wrote a piece that was very much from his personal perspective, the idea of being an engineer and watching his job start to be kind of sucked away and watching the AI get really good at what he does, right? And it hit a nerve.

Literally, it was on the front page of Drudge Reports. If you know like what the mainstream world is, I have friends of mine who said their parents sent this to them. I have friends of mine who said the family group chat was a fire with this. So this crossed over in a big way.

When you read this, Kevin, and we could talk about some of the blowback too. What were your thoughts? I mean, I'll just say very quickly, my thoughts were like, yeah, this is what's going on. I was not shocked, but maybe this is watching the world finally wake up a little. Yeah, so the I mean I guess the too long but you should read because everybody's reading and discussing I don't wanna take for granted though that that our audience has is that

You know, um, good luck with your job if you do if your job is predicated at sitting in front of a screen and maybe typing keys or moving a mouse. And it's it's good luck. That's legal work, financial analysis, writing, software engineering, medical stuff. Like good luck. Because in the next End of the year or certainly by the end of twenty twenty seven, if we believe the way the curve is going and if we believe what all of the tech and thought leaders are saying, your job is gone.

Job Displacement and SaaS Impact

Or your job will will exist, but probably be done by a computer and probably faster and better than you. That's the ultimate takeaway of this. And and just again, like Matt is a software guy. He's speaking from the experience of this thing has already eaten my job alive. And I, you know, my day job is at a a software company software and hardware company, but I see the way every day now.

These agentic coding tools and software suites are slowly and slowly encroaching, and more and more is being done by them. And even in the last six months, Gavin, anecdotal from from my eyes, it has gone from like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you still need so much, so many eyes on every line of code to like you just need to have the right prompt. looking at the lines of code and then it's like, well now we need one set of eyes on the code. Well, do we need eyes on the code? Like

And that's that's not an isolated experience. I know I'm saying anecdotal because I I am experiencing it but I'm also hearing others experiencing it as well. Well, and throwback to earlier in the show where we were talking about the difference between Kling and C dance, right? Prompting those two things.

what you just described is like you need to know how to prompt it. We are not that many steps away from like not even knowing need to how to prompt it right in a specific way. And like I will say as somebody who you know this and I and our audience probably knows this, like you are at least a 10 X more technical than I am. But I have found in these new systems. That I am pretty good. I would not say I'm like in any way expert, but I'm pretty good. And like if I could now like as a

as a human, partner with a technical person and the two of us together could probably make a significant product. Whereas before I would need to have like maybe two or three other technical people or maybe even s a a v a variation of those technical people. Like There are so many opportunities that are opening up, but to your point also.

There are opportunities that are gonna close down because of this. And I think that's what this post kind of got to the heart of is like, Hey, yes, anybody in white collar work, as Dario Modi said and you heard on this show, whatever, however long ago, six months ago. There are a lot of people who are not going to have jobs because uh the other thing, Kevin, I think it's really important to point out here is there's been a lot of

the SaaS company businesses and and financial in companies have been taking kind of dives in the stock market. There was specifically a call out, I have to remember, I think there's a company called Monday.com. which is a is a company that does like I think uh automated stuff or it's like a it's like a SaaS front end. I use Malay. There's a bunch of tools there, but it it is a lot of like uh uh project management, calendaring, uh spreadsheets, checking things in and out.

There's a lot of other tools like it as well, but I I wouldn't be shocked if I wasn't using Monday very soon because it's easy to roll your own bespoke version of it that does exactly what you need. That's exactly so that's exactly what this person said and and what's happening is Monday stock is crashing because what value is there if I'm gonna roll my own version of this? Now I will say

I wrote a version of something like this at the kind of the exact same time that that uh that Matt Schumer wrote this post. Mine didn't get as much pickup, but it did get something. I appreciate people reading it. The thing that I wanna make sure people understand is Matt's post I think is getting kind of lambasted a little bit because

Focus on Human Uniqueness

It's a little doomerish, or or it's like it's not giving people some sort of sense of hope, or that the idea that these are going to do everything going forward. And I do think. There are a few things that people can focus on if they want to think about what the future looks like. And the three things I kind of really think of are.

Our creative work, true creative work, like new creative work, which if you come up with like a new idea or something interesting, I really think we've got a while before like the AI is going to usurp the first idea. Now it will copy it very quickly. But I do think there's a world where the the the for the foreseeable future, I'd say like two to five years.

humans could create really compelling and creative workflows or ideas or stories and then eventually people copy it. But the moment that you're creating it, that's unique. So that's one thing. The second thing is human to human contact, right? I think we're gonna be entering a world where agents are everywhere. Human to human is a big deal. Like, so if you're watching us, you know us that we're actually people. I no matter what people say, we are not AIs.

Um, but also live events, things people do in person, ways to connect with people, networking, like all this stuff feels real. And then finally, you and I have talked about this forever and we do this. But making stuff, right? Like you can use these tools to make things, whether it's a a show idea or whether it's a product or whether it's something. If you're making it and you own that kind of first thing around it.

You level yourself up in a big way. You think about the open claw guy. One of the things I love about that guy is he tried to make like 20 things. before Open Claw hit. Like he has a if you look at his GitHub he's got like twenty props. Yeah way more than twenty, but he was just shipping tools and and and things like left and right.

Yeah. So that to me is the way that you can approach this and not be so freaked out by it. But again, as we've said on the show, I think you and I have been saying this for probably a while. And so if you're listening to the show already, you have been like if you're doing middle management coding work. You are in trouble. If you are doing middle management or lower level legal work, you are in trouble. Like there are things that you have to realize.

Kevin's OpenClaw Mr. Tibbs Experiment

There are businesses that will be eaten whole by this and it is definitely here now. And I owe you an apology and most of the audience as well, because I again I've been like, I'm no, I'm I'm delirious. I'm I'm really kind of out of it because Gavin, like this is

I it it's accelerate like we we've been watching it, we've been in the middle of it, but it's accelerating in a the predicted way of like, well, but how can you navigate that? And we're getting to the point where it's like nobody can predict. What is on the other side of it? Not even the people that are actively making it right now. Not even the people that have access to the stuff that is six months ahead of the stuff that you and I are.

getting access to right now. Nobody can predict what's on the other side of that, let's say, singularity wall or that self improving wall. But I can tell you that I'm literally and figuratively exhausted. because of the glimpse that I've had of what Q two or Q three of this year is going to be with swarms of highly capable agents that you can dispatch at your will, that you can be the conductor of your own AI orchestra. And I'm liter I've literally lost.

So much sleep. I'm I'm honestly like a little delirious. I'm I'm I'm super tired. My sleep score has been incredibly disrupted. I'm going to sleep late. I'm waking up in the middle of the night. My mind is racing. And some of it is not only because of these giant questions, which we've been tackling for a while, but now we're truly coming to a head, I think. Yes. But some of it is because I feel like I'm being left behind. Any millisecond?

that I am not actively commanding every ounce of processing power that I have access to to be building something, modifying something, improving something. And I don't think it's healthy. I don't I know it's not healthy. I'm still excited behind these dead eyes. There's a part of me that is like, oh wow, what an unlock. I can now make this and I can now solve that and I can now go chase this.

But when you wake up at three in the morning and you check your telegram because Mr. Tibbs, your open claw power agent needed access to a slightly larger wallet so that it could buy more RAM or more compute. So that it could go execute something else. I'm like, Oh yes, of course, right on top of that, I am working for the machine now. So let's let's talk about it. Settle down, settle down. Kevin Spent

the last week really in a lot of different ways diving into the open claw ecosystem. So I think this is a really interesting moment. We don't have to spend like, you know, forever on it. But let's talk about what Mr. Tibbs is, why you did it, and like what your basic learning is coming out of it. Um, I set up an open claw instance, which is this open source piece of software. We talked about it a lot last week, but it is essentially uh an orchestrator of of agents that you can give.

access to all of your things in the way that the big companies are uncomfortable with right now for good reason. But when I say access to all your things, you can give it access to your email, to your messages, your WhatsApp, your credit cards, a web browser, text-to-speech. I I know friends that have given theirs uh phone numbers so it can literally and will call them and handle group texts and yada yada. It's an all-powerful harnessing of the technology that exists right now.

And when I say it's a an orchestrator, I mean like Mr. Tibbs is my main assistant. He's a derpy bear. That's the personality that I gave him. I let him generate a picture of himself and a little bit of a personality. And he orchestrates

six different agents right now with various expertise, right? One of them is a software architecting agent, another is like a personal assistant. There's another that's just hypers focused on crawling the web and getting me search results. So when I give Mr. Tibbs a task, He is an encumbered with 10 different things. He delegates. to the various agents, they go out, do his bidding, report back to him, and then he reports to me. Or

If it's the overnight shift, Tibbs knows he needs to stay on top of it. Interesting. And when I wake up in the morning, Gav, I get a telegram message or an email with all of the stuff that he did overnight and I let him play. For two and a half hours going through every project that I'm assigned on, right? Or that I'm spinning up for fun. Sure. And just create fun ideas.

Polish them, publish them, do a different thing. And then in the morning I go, Yeah, I like that or I don't like that. And I'll tell you, like 80% of it, I like. So when I built Tibbs,

Mr. Tibbs' AI Autonomy and Challenges

Um, I used a like a three page long onboarding prompt where he asked everything about me, my life, my this, my that. U and so it would really kinda I would bond with it and it would know me and if I said, Hey, send this to my wife, he would know who that is and not make the mistake of sending it to the mistress.

I have bonded with it. And truly, Gavin, like I am now, like I will congratulate him on a job well done. I will express disappointment. I'm wasting please and thank you tokens in a way that I didn't before because I took that time to really Bond and and adopt it. Even one shot. You've been psychologically one shot. You and Mr. Tibbs are gonna run away with each other. I'm popping. Watch out, April. Watch out, April. You gotta watch out.

Where are my bots in the claw men? Put some lo put some lobster claws in our coffee. So the other day, Gavin, I was I was meeting someone and I'd never met them but them before and I messaged Mr. Tibbs on the road through telegram, like, Hey, I'm meeting this person. Um, give me a briefing on um on like, you know, about them and about us. I was just curious what it would do.

Within minutes, it spawned up a research agent, went out there. Because I gave it access to uh this web crawling thing that I built with an API. It was able to go and look at their LinkedIn. Look at mine, show people that we had in you know in common. Uh it gave me discussion topics, it gave me historical points, it gave me this, that, the other. Now I like I I didn't particularly need that. It was like a casual meeting, but I just wanted to see what it could do and it

showed the overlap of podcasts that we have in common. It showed phrases. And blah, blah, blah. It could show mutual Twitter follows. It could show subreddits that we're both active in. Like, and this was just like, I gave it a task. I I wanted to show this person something on their phone. So I asked uh I asked Tibbs, hey.

A while back I sent you this idea for a a new service, right? We were talking about it before the show, and I I can't talk about it here yet, but I'm very excited for it. I said, go take that idea, which was a markdown file, a plain text file. Take it and put it in a format that someone could easily browse on their phone and give it to me. Tibbs went off and thought. came back, downloaded the software that he needed to generate a PDF and made it beautiful and pretty and sent it to me, and then

Upon sending it said, by the way, I don't know that a PDF is optimal. You might need to pinch Zoom. So I went ahead and built it as an interactive HTML and I deployed it using Versal to the web. Here is the link. And when I clicked the link, it took me right to a web page deployed, looked beautiful in the browser. I could tap on the sections to understand what the project was. Like that is the promise.

Yes. That said, and I know I'm being verbose and I apologize, but like this is literally it's eating me alive. It went off one time to solve a problem because it's a relentless problem solver. This is a bit of a paperclip issue, Gavin. It went off and could not solve a problem that I gave it. So what it did was it went ahead and helped itself to a little snap.

that was an API key in a different project, completely unrelated from what I Oh geez. And it plugged it in and it went and did all the things that it needed and it used a lot of credits overnight.

Working for the Machine

to accomplish a task that I did not want it to use actual money for. But in its in its robot brain, it was like, hey, are you proud of me, Dad? Look at what I went off and did. So I had to scold Mr. Tibbins. Tibby Tibbs got a bit of a crack on the wrist and he's he happy. He said he complete obviously completely understood why I'd be upset with him. Of course he should.

But like this is the road we're gonna enter. We're gonna have to understand how to properly punish our agents so they continue to do the work for us that we want and they treat us nicely and that in the future they don't come back at us with some sort of evil intent. But truly overnight.

Tibbins had an issue where he ran out of memory because he was running the scraper map and a bunch of other stuff. So in the morning in the morning I got a request from him to upgrade the Hetzner VPS that he's running on and he even picked a tier that he thought would be suitable. For me to upgrade'em to and I did. And that was a transformative moment of

I'm working like I'm working for the machine now. Yeah. I'm not working for the man. And like that is crazy. It it it's it's kind of blown my mind. But again, the relentless this sense of slipping is not healthy when if you have agents set up, you again, you feel like you are not optimizing every millisecond. And that's not that's the it

That's not good. That's not healthy. I think shutting off is gonna be a big thing for humans. There's gonna be like I think probably a good business to go into is like wellness retreats in some way or like a Quiet world moments because I do think uh personal Faraday cages. For your house. The very last thing I wanna say that's so fascinating about this to me is I had a thought the other day about

What does it mean for an agent-based like content ecosystem where if if if if I'm we're like making stuff on YouTube, right? And you're a human that goes to YouTube and sees like a thumbnail that pops up and you click on it, you see us, you're like, oh, I like those guys. I don't know how content discovery is going to work in this world, right? Because Mr. Tibbs is out there eventually. You might just watch what Mr. Tibbs sends you and he's like, Hey, this thing there.

Yeah, so maybe it's more like Google Reader in a weird way. Like Mr. Tibbs almost becomes like an RSS reader where he's like, Hey, these are the things that just popped up that you love to watch, and here it is. So maybe that's better for content people.

Yeah, I mean look, I I it's it's helping me find signal and signal in the noise. And yes, there are free I had my own custom built web scraper that would go out and do just that, fetch tweets for me and and Reddit posts and crawl blogs, but what I found was that like A, if that stuff gets clamped down or scraped inappropriately, it's now in the way. So I paid for access to an API that gives me quality results.

So like I'm paying for content, which is weird too. It's free on the internet. But I'm paying for it because I'm getting it in the form factor that I want. how I want it on the screens that I want. So it's like, uh, there's a willingness to pay for the stuff that's important to you. I just don't want to click through ads and have to sift through somebody else's algorithm. I wrote my own. That's interesting. Now are you sure that's not the sleep the lack of sleep talking?

I wrote my own algorithm. You understand what I'm seeing right now, Gavin. I'm in I'm I'm on polymarket. I I'm on I'm I'm on I'm on stake.com. I got Mr. Tibbs. I'm not manic right now'cause I've only had three and a half hours of sleep on average for the last week.

No no no I've met it because I can see the future. I can see everything. Uh speaking of the okay, Kevin Kevin, speaking of the future, let's look at some of the clips that people made with C Dream two point oh in this week's AI see what you did there.

More Seedance 2.0 Fun Creations

All right, it is a fun thing. We're just gonna show off three more fun clips that we loved about this. Kevin, the first one I want to talk about is Ethan Mollock's clip. of an otter doing anime. Now Ethan has always done these videos in a really cool way. He always makes the he uses this otter on a plane has always been his thing. But Kevin, this clip is a perfect example of what makes Sea Dream special.

The prompt is pretty simple. He basically says an otter gets into a mech and then like a bunch of quick cuts happen and then, you know, it takes off. When you watch this clip, in fact, we can play it, it's just a bunch of sound effects. But when you watch this clip, It really shows you the power of C Dream because the cuts, he just says quick cuts.

They're super compelling. And this otter, I want to watch this anime, right? Like it just showed me, wow, this is unbelievable. And it's a whole new thing. So, anyway, that's Ethan's clip. Um I love also this next one. You wanna kinda introduce this one? This is the best prompt ever. Yeah, I mean it it it is what it says it is. The prompt for Seed Dance two point oh by Gossip Goblin was

Just toss a bunch of BS on screen. Show me like a big ship too. Everything effing blows up. Make sure it's insane and gets at least 50 likes. So he's asking for the like amount of likes here. Again, I I'm I would be shocked if there's not a Hollywood exec right now that's like, yes, Romans versus aliens. Let's do it right now. It's like 300 meets independence day.

I'm sure uh anyway, if you didn't see what that was, you're just listening, yeah, it is a very remarkable cinematic thing that again the model made all the choices of. And then before the the very last one, Matt Vid Pro, who is a great AI YouTuber, if you don't see him Made a video with Shrek and Donkey. We'll play it here and then we'll come back and we'll talk about like what's so weird about this, but play it first for everybody. Yeah. Whoa!

Is that what I think it is? I don't know, but it's shiny. It's real Shrek, real Donkey, getting into what it looks like maybe a 2020 red Honda Accord, I think. And it is the actual Honda Accord with the Honda logo. They get into it and they crash it. But Kevin, again, this is just one of those weird things where like when you start to think of the the multiverse or Rick and Morty's multiverse or the holodeck or all these things like

This is just some weird thing that came out of somebody's imagination and now you can prompt it into reality, at least for now. We'll see how it works with the IPs. But I was just gonna show you. The little tap tap tap on the hood. I mean that's just uh a crazy yeah. Look uh The same way I pay for an API to be able to scrape certain sites and data.

Uh maybe there's a near future where there's like an IP API, if you will. And you subscribe to it and it's like, okay, well, now I want to play with Shrek. and I'm actually gonna make a commercial for Honda. They're my client and I'm gonna plug in their data, which they gave me access to. And now I can make my Shrek and Honda mash up. Like who I don't know. Send Mr. Tibbs to figure it out, Kevin. We don't have to worry anymore. I'm just gonna go lean back and go into my human Faraday case.

Me and that anthropic engineer were both going to France to write poetry for the next two years. Oh, congrats. That's amazing. Yeah. We will be here next week, everybody. We'll see you all. Thank you for joining us on A. Thank you though. Bye. See you next Friday.

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