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AI & I

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Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.
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Building AI Agents to Launch a Million Businesses

Henrik Werdelin wants to launch a million businesses that each make $1M—and he’s doing it with AI. After helping launch Barkbox and Ro Health through his incubator Prehype , Henrik is distilling everything he knows into Audos , a platform that helps you use AI agents to turn your idea into a profitable, lasting company. We had him on AI & I to talk about “portfolio entrepreneurship”—a new breed of entrepreneurship shepherded in by AI, where founders build families of products around the same...

Nov 12, 20251 hr 6 minEp. 86

What Jason Fried Learned from 26 Years of Building Great Products

37signals makes tens of millions in profit every year but ⁠Jason Fried⁠ isn’t all that interested in running a business. Instead, he cares most about making great products—like ⁠Basecamp⁠ , ⁠HEY⁠ , and ⁠Ruby on Rails⁠ —products that are centered around a single, coherent idea. These products are complete wholes, where each piece matters—like a Frank Lloyd Wright house or a vintage car. But how do you create products like that? In this conversation, we talk to Jason about what two decades of buil...

Nov 05, 202558 minEp. 85

How Salesforce Is Using AI to Power the Enterprise

This episode contains sponsored content in partnership with Salesforce. At Dreamforce 2025, Every CEO Dan Shipper sat down with Silvio Savarese, chief AI scientist at Salesforce, to discuss how one of the world’s largest software companies is shaping the future of AI for the enterprise. Together, Dan and Savarese explore how his team at Salesforce develops AI solutions that now power more than 13,000 businesses—including OpenAI, Dell, and FedEx—helping them become truly Agentic Enterprises that ...

Oct 31, 202514 minEp. 84

Inside Claude Code From the Engineers Who Built It

At Every, the team credits Claude Code with transforming the way they work. They now ship to codebases they barely know, each new feature makes the next easier to build, and even non-technical teammates confidently use the terminal. To explore how this happened, AI & I host Dan Shipper invited Claude Code’s creators—Cat Wu (@_catwu) and Boris Cherny (@bcherny) from Anthropic AI—to discuss what they’ve learned from building one of the most beloved AI engineering tools in the world. This episo...

Oct 29, 20251 hr 10 minEp. 83

Spiral: Designing an AI Ghostwriter With Taste

Good writing has always been downstream of good thinking. The average language model can help you write faster—but can it help you think better? Danny Aziz wrestled with this question while building the new version of Spiral , an AI writing partner informed by our editorial taste at Every that launched yesterday. The result is a product—and a philosophy—built by the ultimate craftsman who believes you can lean into AI without blunting your edge with slop. We had Danny on AI & I to talk about...

Oct 22, 20251 hr 8 minEp. 82

We Taught AI to Play Games—Now It’s a $3.6 Million Company

This episode is a little different from our usual fare: It’s a conversation with our head of AI training Alex Duffy about Good Start Labs , a company he incubated inside Every. Today, Good Start Labs is spinning out of Every as a separate company with $3.6 million in funding from General Catalyst, Inovia, Every, and a group of angel investors from top-tier AI labs like DeepMind. We get into how Alex learned some of his biggest lessons about the real world from games, starting with RuneScape , wh...

Oct 15, 202558 minEp. 81

Box CEO Aaron Levie on Why AI Agents Won’t Take Your Job

Aaron Levie is AI-pilled, but he’s one of the few CEOs who sees a future where AI agents work for us, instead of replacing us—helping us to do more than we could before. Aaron’s been the CEO of Box for 20 years–long enough to see a few tech revolutions up close—and taking the company AI-first gave him a glimpse of what the next one means for us. We get into why jobs aren’t going away, the new shape of work, and what it takes to build an AI-first company from the inside. If you found this episode...

Oct 08, 202553 minEp. 80

MCP Servers: Teaching AI to Use the Internet Like Humans

If your MCP server has dozens of tools, it’s probably built wrong. You need tools that are specific and clear for each use case—but you also can’t have too many. This creates an almost impossible tradeoff that most companies don’t know how to solve. That’s why we interviewed Alex Rattray, the founder and CEO of Stainless. Stainless builds APIs, SDKs, and MCP servers for companies like OpenAI and Anthropic. Alex has spent years mastering how to make software talk to software, and he came on the s...

Oct 01, 202552 minEp. 79

Cognition’s CEO on What Comes After Code

The future has a way of showing up early to some places. In software engineering, one of those places is Cognition —the startup that made headlines in early 2024 with Devin , the world’s first autonomous coding agent, and more recently with its acquisition of the AI code editor Windsurf . Scott Wu , Cognition’s cofounder and CEO, has a front-row seat to what comes next. In this episode of AI & I , we talk with Wu about why the fundamentals of computer science still matter in an AI-first worl...

Sep 24, 202553 minEp. 78

One Developer Got Thousands of Users Before His App Launched

Naveen Naidu built an app that found product-market fit backwards. Most apps launch first and then try to find users. Monologue , Naveen’s AI voice dictation app that came out of beta yesterday, did the opposite. It built a following of thousands of users during its incubation period at Every—many of them switching over from venture capital-backed competitors—all while the app barely had a landing page. The growth has continued in the 24 hours since launch, with an average of 1 million words bei...

Sep 17, 202557 minEp. 77

Claude Code Can Be Your Second Brain

Noah Brier uses Claude Code as his second brain—it’s the coolest notetaking setup we’ve ever seen. He has Claude running on a server in his basement hooked up to a VPN. It stores, reads, and writes to thousands of notes in his Obsidian vault. He does it all from his phone. We had him on the show to tell us exactly how he’s pulling this off. Dan and Noah get into: The nuts and bolts of the Claude Code-Obsidian setup: Noah set up Claude Code on top of his Obsidian root directory, and he walked me ...

Sep 10, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 76

This AI Makes a Video Game World in 40 Milliseconds

We had ⁠Dean Leitersdorf⁠ on the pod and he did something no guest had ever done. Mid-sentence, he transformed from a startup founder in a black t-shirt to a wizard with light shooting from his hands. Then, he was in a white-walled game universe, and when he picked up the tissue box on his table, it morphed into a gun which he could shoot by moving his arm. He did it with one of his products, ⁠Mirage⁠ : It takes any live video feed (like Dean on the pod) and instantly renders each frame into a n...

Sep 03, 20251 hr 5 minEp. 75

Best of the Pod: How to Prepare for AGI According to Reid Hoffman

AGI is coming. Reid Hoffman just wrote the book on how to prepare. According to Reid, every major tech breakthrough (the written word, the printing press, the telephone) triggered mass fear. But, contrary to our worries, new technology tends to enhance human agency—even more so, if you know how to use it well. Reid is the cofounder of LinkedIn, Inflection AI, and Manas AI; a partner at venture capital firm Greylock Partners; an early backer and board member of OpenAI; and an award-winning podcas...

Aug 27, 20251 hr 10 minEp. 74

Best of the Pod: She Built an AI Product Manager Bringing in Six Figures—As A Side Hustle

**Automate 80% of your repetitive writing, thinking, and creative tasks** **Try Spiral made by Dan Shipper & Every: https://spiral.computer?utm_source=youtube** Claire Vo built ChatPRD—an on-demand chief product officer powered by AI. It’s now used by over 10,000 product managers and is pulling in six figures in revenue. The best part? Claire has a demanding day job as the CPO at LaunchDarkly. So she built all of ChatPRD herself—over the weekend—with AI. I sat down with Claire to talk about ...

Aug 20, 20251 hr 7 minEp. 73

Best of the Pod: Vercel's Guillermo Rauch on AI and the Future of Coding

Read Dan Shipper's essay on the allocation economy: https://every.to/chain-of-thought/the-knowledge-economy-is-over-welcome-to-the-allocation-economy Guillermo Rauch is one of the most prolific coders of this generation. But he doesn’t think of himself as a coder anymore. Coding, he says, is a specific skill that AI is becoming great at. Instead, he thinks the future of coding is more holistic, full-stack engineers who can ideate, design, and execute all together. Guillermo is the founder and CE...

Aug 13, 202558 minEp. 72

Best of the Pod: Dwarkesh Patel’s Quest to Learn Everything

Dwarkesh Patel is on a quest to know everything. He’s using LLMs to enhance how he reads, learns, thinks, and conducts interviews. Dwarkesh is a podcaster who’s interviewed a wide range of people, like Mark Zuckerberg, Tony Blair, and Marc Andreesen. Before conducting each of these interviews, Dwarkesh learns as much as he can about his guest and their area of expertise—AI hardware, tense geopolitical crises, and the genetics of human origins, to name a few. The most important tool in his learni...

Jul 30, 202550 minEp. 71

Intentional Tech: Designing AI for Human Flourishing | Alex Komoroske

The smallest technical decisions become humanity's biggest pivots: The same-origin policy —a well-intentioned browser security rule from the 1990s—accidentally created Facebook, Google, and every data monopoly since. It locks your data in silos—and you stayed where your stuff already is. This dynamic created aggregators. Alex Komoroske —who led Chrome's web platform team at Google and ran corporate strategy at Stripe—saw this pattern play out firsthand. And he's obsessed with the tiny decisions ...

Jul 09, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 70

Arc Had Millions of Users. Why They Left It Behind for Dia. | Josh Miller and Hursh Agrawal, cofounders of The Browser Company

If you had millions of people using a product you spent years building, would you kill it? That’s exactly what The Browser Company did with Arc . The internet backlash was intense, but cofounders Josh Miller and Hursh Agrawal saw that AI was about to make the web something you talk to, not just click into. The best home for that assistant was the thing that's already between you and the internet—the browser. And they realized they couldn’t just duct-tape it on to Arc. One year of heads-down work...

Jul 02, 20251 hr 25 minEp. 69

How We Built Our AI Email Assistant: A Behind-the-Scenes Look at Cora

You don’t need to handle your inbox anymore. It’s Cora’s job now. Cora is the AI chief of staff we built for your email at Every. It’s been in private beta for the last 6 months and currently manages email for 2,500 beta users—and today we’re making it available for anyone to use. Start your free 7-day trial by going to: https://cora.computer/ Cora is the $150K executive assistant that costs $15/month. Or $20/month if you want an Every subscription, too. This is what that actually means: Cora un...

Jun 26, 202546 minEp. 68

Inside OpenAI: Coaching the People Creating AGI | Joe Hudson, Founder of The Art of Accomplishment

Joe Hudson is a coach who works with the executives building AGI at OpenAI. From inside OpenAI, he witnesses the full spectrum of human emotion that comes with bringing something new into the world—the exhilaration, the terror, the weight of it all. He feels these emotions, too: He believes AI will eventually replace what he does as a coach. But instead of fixating on that fear, Hudson is asking a deeper question: Who is he becoming in the meantime? He believes that moments like this—when we can...

Jun 18, 202554 minEp. 67

How Two Engineers Ship Like a Team of 15 With AI Agents

If you’re using AI to just write code, you’re missing out. Two engineers at Every shipped six features, five bug fixes, and three infrastructure updates in one week—and they did it by designing workflows with AI agents, where each task makes the next one easier, faster, and more reliable. In this episode of AI & I , Dan Shipper interviewed the pair—Kieran Klaassen, general manager of Cora , our inbox management tool, and Cora engineer Nityesh Agarwal—about how they’re compounding their engin...

Jun 11, 202554 minEp. 66

The Future of AI in Medicine: From Rules to Intuition | Awais Aftab, Psychiatrist and writer

OCD treatment changed my life—but it took me a decade of chasing down wrong answers to be diagnosed. In the rush to create scalable treatments, disorders like depression and OCD are squeezed into diagnostic checklists—from which the complexity of the human mind invariably leaks out. The field of psychiatry is broken, and I spoke to someone on the inside about how AI can help fix it . ⁠ Awais Aftab ⁠ has been questioning psychiatry’s rigid categories from inside the field. He’s a clinical assista...

Jun 04, 202553 minEp. 65

GitHub CEO on the AI Coding Arms Race: One Agent, 150M+ Devs | Thomas Dohmke

GitHub Copilot has 15 million users—more than Cursor and Windsurf combined. So why does it feel like they're losing the AI coding race? Last week at Microsoft Build, I interviewed the CEO of GitHub Thomas Dohmke to find out. I wanted to know: Is their huge existing user base a blessing or a curse? And will their latest launch—an autonomous coding agent built into GitHub—let them retake the lead? Watch this episode of AI & I to find out If you found this episode interesting, please like, subs...

May 28, 202531 minEp. 64

Kevin Scott on The Future of Programming, AI Agents, and Microsoft’s Big Bet on the Agentic Web

I interviewed Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about the future of agents and software engineering for another special edition of AI & I . With 41 years of programming behind him, Kevin has lived through nearly every big shift in modern software development. Here’s his clear-eyed take on what’s changing with AI, and how we can navigate what’s next: The real breakthrough for the agentic web is better plumbing. Kevin thinks agents won’t be useful until they can take action on your behalf by using too...

May 20, 202528 minEp. 63

OpenAI Launches Codex: An Autonomous Programming Agent

OpenAI just launched Codex, a brand-new coding agent that can build features and fix bugs autonomously. We’ve been testing it at Every for a few days, and I’m impressed. I invited Alexander Embiricos, a member of the OpenAI product staff responsible for Codex, to demo the agent live on a special edition of AI & I. We talk through: - What Codex is and how it works. Codex’s UI allows developers to see the list of tasks the agent is working on, how many lines were changed for each, and the stat...

May 16, 202543 minEp. 62

The $10B Hedge Fund CEO Who’s Betting Big on AI | Will England, Walleye Capital

Will England just pivoted his $10B AUM hedge fund to go all in on AI with a firm-wide email: “I wrote this email using ChatGPT—you should too. As a hedge fund, we should be ashamed to leave money on the table by ignoring AI.” It’s working: 75% of his 400-person team are using ChatGPT daily—and Walleye is well on its way to transforming into an AI-first juggernaut. They record every meeting, use LLMs to ingest and analyze earnings reports, and are building “The Borg”—a firmwide intelligence layer...

May 14, 20251 hr 7 minEp. 61

Jhana Meditation Silenced Her Mind—And Changed Her View On AI | Nadia Asparouhova

After two Jhana meditation retreats Nadia Asparouhova could silence her mind, change her emotional state at will, and even intentionally slip out of consciousness. It challenged the idea that our minds are not under our control—and made her wonder if we’re more like AI than we realize. Nadia is a writer and researcher of technology and culture. She published Working in Public, a book about the evolution of open-source development, with Stripe Press. Her latest book, Antimemetics, is about why so...

May 07, 202554 minEp. 60

The Next AI Wave Will Be Social, Not Solo | Sarah Tavel, Benchmark and ex-Pinterest

Sarah Tavel thinks it's criminal that ChatGPT isn’t inherently social. There’s no easy way to discover great prompts or share the ones that worked. As a venture partner at Benchmark, Sarah believes that the next wave of consumer AI will be built on this missing social layer—by product-driven founders who understand people, not just models. Sarah has seen this shift before. As one of Pinterest’s first product managers, she saw the company grow from a niche consumer tool to a beloved global commun...

Apr 30, 202549 minEp. 59

How To Predict The Future With Kevin Kelly - Ep. 57

Kevin Kelly has spent more time thinking about the future than almost anyone else. From VR in the 1980s to the blockchain in the 2000s—and now generative AI—Kevin has spent a lifetime journeying to the frontiers of technology, only to return with rich stories about what’s next. Today, as Wired's senior maverick, his project for 2025 is to outline what the next century looks like in a world shaped by new technologies like AI and genetic engineering. He’s a personal hero of mine—not to mention a f...

Apr 23, 202555 minEp. 58

This AI Alien Will Bring In $4 Million This Year in Revenue - Ep. 56 with Quinten Farmer and Eliot Peper

With LTX Studio, you can bring your stories to life, complete with a cast, storyline, and settings, all according to your style and specifications. Check them out here: https://bit.ly/LTXStudioEvery 500K people are confiding in an AI alien—and it's on track to generate $4M this year. It’s called a Tolan: an animated AI character that can talk to you like your best friend. The company behind it, Portola, has 4x’d their ARR in the last month from viral growth on TikTok and Instagram. Tolan isn’t j...

Apr 17, 20251 hr 23 minEp. 57
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