¶ Healing Intergenerational Trauma Through Jungian Psychology
Welcome to Aging with Purpose and Passion , the podcast designed to inspire your greatness and thrive through life . Get ready to conquer your fears . Here's your host . Psychotherapist coach and empowerment expert Beverly Glaer . Psychotherapist coach and empowerment expert .
Beverley Glazer , if you've suffered childhood trauma , can you ever let it go and have peace of mind ? Welcome to Aging with Purpose and Passion . I'm Beverley Glazer and I empower women to overcome challenges in life and business with renewed purpose and joy , and you can find me on Reinventimpossible . com . Meet Barbara Holifield .
Barbara is an author , a Jungian analyst , with decades of experience helping others through trauma and through somatic psychology and psychophysical work , and Barbara's own childhood trauma was shaped by addiction and loss . So let's explore the power of healing and discover courage and clarity and joy for your very next chapter .
Welcome , Barbara . Thank you so much . I really appreciate you having me with you here .
It's a pleasure you have so much to offer the audience . You grew up in a very small town in Texas .
Indeed .
Yes , and when you think of someone that's so accomplished , you do not think of someone growing up in a very small town in Texas . What was life like back then ?
Texas is a kind of curious place , you know , in some ways I personally find the land very beautiful . There's this oceanic quality to the horizon , you know , it goes on forever and the sky is enormous and the sunsets are gorgeous and the storms are amazing .
But culturally there , you know , it started in such a narrow framework , in such a narrow framework , be it the railroad or oil or cattle . So it's not a place you would necessarily drop down and live if it weren't for those things . And there's a way that you know .
I know a lot of people who are very challenged , who I grew up with and I certainly was one of them challenged . Who I grew up with , and I certainly was one of them . Um , the , there was just a lot of transgenerational trauma coming down that lower track , you know . Yeah , just a lot with those settlers and all that happened there .
As a matter of fact , my grandfather came to Amarillo in a covered wagon .
Really , yeah , really , yeah . You know , when you say intergenerational trauma , I don't know what it means . A lot of people do not . Yeah , and it's true . I mean when you're coming to a land and you're coming and you're going to be settling and you're in the middle of nowhere , there is so much pressure .
Explain what you mean by all those people in that small town of Amarillo , texas . Yeah , you know what was that like .
Well , so just to explain a little bit , intergenerational trauma . So know , there's myself , my parents , then their parents and the parents before them . You know many and the parents before them , and so much of all of our stories are colored by migration .
You know people moving because something's not right , it becomes unsafe or there's war or there's drought or there's conflict you know racial conflict or whatever and with that kind of uprooting is a lot of loss and a lot of chaos and a lot of unsettledness and often the running I mean , I will talk about this a little bit there's a running away from the pain
outside but also the pain inside .
And what we know now is not only is there this environmental aspect of our development with our parents , which is huge and this round we're in , and the culture , but those generations of trauma , if left unresolved , they get passed on , you know , from the parents before you and their parents before you , and they even have an epigenetic effect and often you can
see that in you know where there's no particular trauma at all , someone's really struggling and you look back a couple of generations and it's almost mimicking sure , yeah , our family , it was pretty overt yeah it was pretty overt . There was a lot of unresolved grief , strife , conflict and struggle and it led to a lot of addiction .
And that was very chaotic , you know , and very , very painful , and as a child the kind of downstream effect is neglect . Yeah , I said , and I can't hear you , beverly , can you ?
hear me now . Yes , perfect yeah .
So that was , you know , a lot of what occurred for me .
And your mom was an alcoholic yeah yeah , and you had . Your parents had a divorce and you were with your mom yes , yes , very much so , and because that's so very hard .
Here's your caregiver yeah , yeah , and know she got hit hard after the divorce and then my father died and you know she was carrying a lot , a lot of grief and trying to take care of four kids and it was pretty much overwhelming , I think , for her .
You got out through education .
Education was so important to me and more than education , I just actually had the great good fortune of being , you know , kind of by luck , when I was a younger person , you know , through middle school kind of years , great and high school I was in an alternative school and the uh was a um uh Catholic school and the it was a very small student body .
There was a great ratio of faculty to um students and their care and desire was really , you know , it was like in the seventies there was all this new , you know kind of blossoming approaches to education that were much more student centered at rather than you know requirements , and that was mine and I had a few fabulous people that really , you know know , helped
me with what was going on through me , just by encouraging poetry and encouraging writing stories that would stem from literature , that could help segue in and help me continue to process . We never talked about things very directly , but they can see , you know right , and you were just so fortunate to be in that school .
I was so fortunate , you know , and they cared . There was a lot of moral holding , you know , in a school like that , and care and attention , people didn't fall through the cracks too much , which is a blessing , and you know , it affected me . I think everything affected me .
I just didn't want to do the same thing as I had seen unfold with my siblings and the people in my culture surrounding me . I just I thought that's going to be dangerous for me . You know , either I'll go dead or get , you know , caught up in the same sort of patterns as they , because I was already struggling with eating problems .
That's part of what , you know , so often goes on when there's not substance abuse , it will show up in eating problems . And so I went to a college that was also alternatively oriented and very progressive and that was beyond fabulous . It really shaped me . The mode of education was that our classroom would be in the wilderness .
Yes , so even when I was studying psychology and dreams , you know , we'd spend time seminaring , in class , in seminars , and then we'd go out on a long , extended rafting trip and work with our dreams that arose . I mean , it was so experiential , so immediate , really inspiring .
I could see how you just got into Jungian psychology . It was natural progression . It really really was . That's right , it surely was . So how did you get to understand about yourself through Jungian psychology ?
Well , um , I was struggling as a teen and I really got interested in dreams and I read , you know , the books of the day about dreams , and not young yet .
But I had a few really important dreams as a teen and when I look back I can see they were almost kind of guiding or prophetic , and I wasn't latched onto it but I knew they were very important to me .
And so , as I started studying , there were two things that were important To listen to that kind of guidance from something that was me but bigger than me , which is how I think of dreams , and I certainly got supported in that and to be with a very direct experience of who me was , you know , which , as part of the human potential movement , psychology was
really oriented towards a holistic approach , and that was again my good luck , because the guidance and the moral holding and the intent and being able to be in touch with kind of your guiding vision , what mattered to you , all that was important .
¶ Embodied Healing Through Somatic Psychology
But the pain that I experienced was still just imploding in my body . You know I was kind of stuck in a house of shame sort of , and pain , and so I , in those days , you know , the human potential was just blossoming , there was a lot of attention to what is the body has to have to do with . Psychology .
Gestalt therapy was , you know , really pivotal , and I got involved with all those different modalities .
I just was hungry to find , you know , some sort of freedom , liberation and to know , and that led me down the path of directly experiencing that pain , not thinking about it but directly working about it , working with it at a very deep kind of primal level where things started to shift and change .
So you were gradually releasing .
Yeah .
Yeah , and as you were doing that , also healing circles which you bring into your work . Yes , that's right , wilderness . Tell us about that .
Yeah Well , the two levels , the healing circles would often come from doing group-oriented work , come from doing group-oriented work and later what I have stayed with is this group-oriented work with a kind of movement contemplative movement practice that brings together something like meditation , contemplative practice , the body , psychology and something bigger than all that
emerges . It's a practice called movement in depth or authentic movement and the healing that comes from that . Once we start to tune into our bodies , we tune into each other and there's this mutual field of responsiveness that starts to develop and healing is expo-entuated , I think , or potentiated at least in that .
So that's one way and it's so focused that you can really feel that sense of how , when we're , when we attune within ourselves and by attune I mean really drop down from our thinking mind into our feeling body and really start to be , as best we can , living in that place and listening , we're wired to attune to others .
That's the way we're neurologically wired . And when that field is activated , you know you can feel it , and in a practice like that it's very focused . It's kind of like meditating together in a circle . So the same thing is going on in the wilderness , but it's not quite as contained .
You know you're contained in this bigger , immense , awe-inspiring power and beauty . I trekked all through the mountains and deserts of the southwest and working in groups like this , and that too , you know .
Nature , whether it's being in your garden or stepping outside your door in the urban life and looking at the grass , going through the cracks of the cement , or the sunsets or the sky , nature's just been hugely , hugely , um , just been hugely , hugely , profoundly important , part of my transformation , part of my ability to recognize there's something much bigger than me
going on yeah , no , as I'm listening , I would love to come on one of those journeys That'd be so fun with a group of others , people that have the same dreams and aspirations as you have and want to release something , whatever it is , and you're together in a very safe , safe space .
Over time , yeah , yeah , and that is healing just in itself , without anything . Absolutely Wonderful leader . You know you can be yourself and you can allow yourself to be yourself among others who can be complete strangers .
That's absolutely true , absolutely true . And the stronger the intent is around holding a circle and knowing that potency of it , the more will happen , even if you don't do anything , as you say , other than hold that intent Exactly .
Yeah , so you have a book , and this book is being with the Body In-Depth Psychology . What will readers take away from that book ?
Well , I think they'll take away . Just you know how we are embodied beings , we can't escape that . But we can feel disembodied . Oh yes , and that's been so , you know , for eons people have struggled with , well you know , a feeling of separation , the whole idea of mind-body . It's kind of funny because our brain is in our body .
You know it's part of our body , but we tend to override our body experience and think of ourselves as kind of these brains in the world , absolutely , or even in Jungian analysis . You know it's changing now .
But sometimes we're psyches and those psyches are connected to our something and the body comes along , but it's not always central we , we really don't think of it unless parts of our body get sick .
Yes , other than that , we don't focus on our bodies , unfortunately . But what is the first step that a listener can do to start healing ? If they're relating to anything that we're saying and they have their own trauma and they're absolutely even afraid to go there ? What's a little step that they can take ?
Well , I could break it down in a few little steps .
One is first like step again , like if you turn your attention inward for just a moment and breathe purposely and purposely , bring your awareness to your breath and feel it as it moves in you and out , and you don't have to do anything , you don't have to try to make it bigger , you don't have to try to make it right , just be with it and inevitably what
happens is our breath will start to adjust by the virtue of our attention and that starts a self-regulating motion in progress , because we have the capacity to self-regulate , to work through trauma .
But instinctually we go away from pain and that's emotional or physical , and you know there's lots of cultural things and historic things and all that , but the emotional piece is probably as big as any that you know moves us out .
So when we come in into the body and moves us out of the body , I mean when we come in body and moves us out of the body I mean when we come in and just you know , even if it's just a tiny little bit , be say , you know , here I am .
It's kind of like the image would be a little bit like you know , rather than growing up like a tree , it would be like an acorn the myth of an acorn story where you have to grow down into the earth . Your seed gets planted , your roots grow out , you get planted here in your body and then we can start emerging more as a full self .
So it's primarily attention , it's primarily bringing our attention . The body's always there .
And if it go ahead , yeah , no what . I was just going to say that , so anybody could do this really at any time . It's like a meditative practice .
It very much is it very much is .
You know , some people will call it somatic mindfulness if we think of it that way , and many meditation practices are incorporating it , because many of those practices come from Buddhism and some of the earliest teaching of Buddhism is that enlightenment happens through the body , and really what that means is we're not whole , we're not our whole self until we drop
into all of us . And so it's meditation , but a little bit different . You know , we can drop in and begin to like really let our senses help inform us .
So just kind of the five senses , our sense of taste , of smell , vision though it can be helpful to close your eyes , your vision goes inward , you know , because we can get very distracted by our vision and start to objectify the world .
But when we turn inward , we are the subject of our own experience and textures and sensations , especially inwardly felt sensations , are very prime here . And really when we bring our attention , something starts to kind of , you know , like all the lights can start to come on .
You know , like all the lights can start to come on Our kinesthetic sense , you know , like if we move slowly that can bring us down in . You know our proprioceptive system , like sense , where am I in space , but it's that other thing too of oh , I have an inner world and I can sense it . That's regarded also as part of our .
We often limit ourselves to these five senses , but actually there's many more and this sense of I have an inner world and I can feel it is huge here .
And to cultivate little moments where you know like , start with something fun , like , yeah , when you feel joy , you know like nothing , like a little child or a puppy or a cat to bring you joy , you know , and or a sunset , and to actually really feel it in your heart , versus think about it , you know , to feel your excitement , that's the best place to start
.
I think that those are wonderful tips , absolutely wonderful . Anyone can do this . Sit with yourself , be in tune with what your body is saying , not just your mind . It's your body and your mind , and I'm sure there's going to be so much more in your book . I want to thank you , barbara .
Oh you're so welcome , you're so welcome .
Barbara Holyfield is a Jungian analyst with decades of experience in somatic psychology and psychophysical work . She has taught somatic psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies and continues to facilitate authentic movement internationally . Her new book , being with the Body In-Depth Psychotherapy , is published by Rutledge and available on Amazon .
And so , barbara , where can people find you ?
I have a website . It's my name barbaraholyfieldcom Pretty simple , not case sensitive , and that's probably the best place , as you say , the book through Rutledge , but also Amazon , but also you can find me on LinkedIn , facebook , especially through being With the Body . That's on Facebook where you would find me . Instagram .
Yeah , so it sounds like you're everywhere . And if you didn't get those links , all those links are going to be in the show notes and they're going to be on my site too , and that's reinventimpossiblecom .
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